[MLO] Re: Currently I see no future in MLO
Good discussion. Have tried a few of these new ones (Todoist,Wunderlist.. etc.) and the amount of mouse clicks it takes to get stuff done is no fun. Request to MLO team: No matter which way things go please keep/maintain/upgrade the stand alone desktop Windows client with the keyboard shortcuts. Add more keyboard shortcuts for right click and creating recurrence etc. It takes a while to set up and tweak MLO with all the details and hierarchies but MLO on one screen and Freeplane /Xmind on another and things are pretty good. Thanks. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MyLifeOrganized" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to mylifeorganized+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to mylifeorganized@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/mylifeorganized. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/mylifeorganized/bfa6f327-45f4-4e44-8519-e514fed79146%40googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[MLO] Re: Can I Search In The Android Version?
Le mardi 9 août 2016 19:17:23 UTC+2, Dwight Arthur a écrit : > Hi, Keith, you present an easy issue and a hard one. The easy issue: to > search on MLO/Android, hit the hamburger (menu) icon in the upper left corner > to bring up the list of views. Drag the view menu down and the search box > will appear at the top. Hard to find, hard to remember, but easy to use once > you remember it. > > Hard issue: why are you having a hard time sticking with MLO? My guess is > that the help you are getting from MLO is less than the work you are putting > into it. One possibility is that you are putting too much work into it. It's > easy to try to get a perfect setup, spending countless hours tweaking to get > it perfect. If that's the issue, you could try giving up on perfection and > just going for "good enough". > > On Monday, August 8, 2016 at 11:36:16 PM UTC-4, Keith Russell wrote: > Hi everyone, > > > Unfortunately, I have a hard time sticking with MLO, so when I get back to it > again, I have to learn all over again. :-( > > > I thought I had done searches in the Android in the past, but now I cannot > find such a function. Am I dreaming, or am I missing an obvious search > feature? > > > Thanks! Wonferfull, I didn't ever missed a search function, and instead I was using the filter function. This search function is good, and "new" for me. You made my day. Olivier -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MyLifeOrganized" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to mylifeorganized+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to mylifeorganized@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/mylifeorganized. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/mylifeorganized/7d88a827-45ca-4a2d-8a63-5ceecda5e81a%40googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[MLO] Re: Currently I see no future in MLO
1. Where next? In case you are wondering where I'm going, after a little research I'm going to try *Nirvana*. The do not have multi-level projects, not multi-level task, but I'm going to see if I can live with that... 2. Suggestion My parting suggestion for the MLO team is that someone in their organisation should *build a new application *(either on Windows or possibly a Web-based application) that really is an application! i.e. Something does not try to be all things to all people. Something that comes with a powerful pre-defined '*dashboard' *involving very few clicks to change filtering. This new application could *use the same database* as MLO windows (and the mobile apps). And it could even be sold as a separate product. I would dumb down the interface to the basics so as to lower the learning curve for time-stressed mainstream people, but it have an expert mode where all the less used fields suddenly appears. But for goodness sakes please can we have a field for List. J On Thursday, August 11, 2016 at 2:38:41 PM UTC+1, John . Smith wrote: > > > > I don't have time to read this whole thread - my apologies - but I thought > I'd add my tuppence worth here, because personally I am in the process of > *leaving > MLO*. > > > I originally bought MLO to save me time. I'm pretty sure it hasn't. I have > been on MLO for over a year and it has absorbed countless hour of my life. > > Core problems > > 1. The learning curve is too steep. > We Old Timers all forget what it was like now but MLO was a nightmare to > learn. The documentation dry and hard to digest. And in accurate. And > missing stuff. Frankly as a modern consumer product it is > all-over-the-place. > This will put off most new users, unless they are hardcore geeks/techies. > Honestly I dont think any normal, time-poor business user would tolerate > MLO, particularly the complexity and counter-intuitiveness of the Windows > interface. > > (ASIDE: MLO need to do usability trials on the Windows interface with new > users and see what happens!) > > But there are so many good things about MLO it's hard to resist. e.g. > multi-level hierarchies that are intuitive, extreme ease of converting an > item between task and project, user-defined hotkeys for everything in > sight, user-defined rule-based formatting, sophisticated user-configurable > advanced filtering, lots of fields (flags, tags, importance, urgency, start > date as well as due date, goals, due date)... even multi line editing. > Sounds BRILLIANT, right? > > Wrong. > > 2. It never got me what I wanted > I originally bought MLO because it was said to be "the task manager to go > to after you've tried all the others". It was said to be a "task management > *platform*" that lets you design your own way of working - your own "task > management *application*" if you will. > And I must have tried about 10 completely different ways of working, with > flags doing stuff and tags doing stuff, folders doing stuff... but I was > NEVER HAPPY with any of them. > > My greatest problem was finding a good way to move tasks & projects from > GTD list to GTD list. (i.e. Inbox / Active / Someday / Waiting etc.) > Every single thing I tried has horrible unintended consequences. > > My final conclusion was that the MLO needs a separate database field for > "List", but it's pretty clear that that's never going to happen. > > But there are other problems too. > > Even now, it's very, VERY easy to get slightly confused. Everything seems > to take *too many clicks*. > Other task management applications have a sort of pre-built dashboard with > everything you need to filter one just 1 (or sometimes 2) clicks away. > > For example: "Show me all my Person (area of life) Active tasks that are > starred" > ==> How many clicks?! > > "Now change it to Work area of life" > ==> How many clicks? > > "Now stay in Work area of life, but remove starred filter, and instead > show me tagged '@Errands' that are Someday" > ==> How many clicks? > > It seems to me that unless you have an entire tab (work area) set up just > for the view you want, it's always a LOT of clicks. But if you have say 15 > Context-tags, you cant possibly have a tab for each multiplied by the > number of work areas - that would be INSANE... not to mention v difficult > to navigate. > > So I'm off. Just thought I'd say why... > > J > > > On Tuesday, November 6, 2012 at 9:44:29 AM UTC, Darius wrote: >> >> I've checked a MLO roadmap and I must say I don't see a good future for >> MLO . MLO is doing a big mistake: no web app or API for MLO cloud, there is >> even no basic support for web planned . Now MLO is just not a true multi OS >> device. >> >> I've have 3 new machines and on every of them I cannot use MLO. One is >> Raspberry PI, one is laptop with Ubuntu, one is VMware with Lubuntu for my >> TV ( I have Windows PC and Galaxy note which I am using fine with MLO) . I >> know, this is Linux and
[MLO] Re: Currently I see no future in MLO
I don't have time to read this whole thread - my apologies - but I thought I'd add my tuppence worth here, because personally I am in the process of *leaving MLO*. I originally bought MLO to save me time. I'm pretty sure it hasn't. I have been on MLO for over a year and it has absorbed countless hour of my life. Core problems 1. The learning curve is too steep. We Old Timers all forget what it was like now but MLO was a nightmare to learn. The documentation dry and hard to digest. And in accurate. And missing stuff. Frankly as a modern consumer product it is all-over-the-place. This will put off most new users, unless they are hardcore geeks/techies. Honestly I dont think any normal, time-poor business user would tolerate MLO, particularly the complexity and counter-intuitiveness of the Windows interface. (ASIDE: MLO need to do usability trials on the Windows interface with new users and see what happens!) But there are so many good things about MLO it's hard to resist. e.g. multi-level hierarchies that are intuitive, extreme ease of converting an item between task and project, user-defined hotkeys for everything in sight, user-defined rule-based formatting, sophisticated user-configurable advanced filtering, lots of fields (flags, tags, importance, urgency, start date as well as due date, goals, due date)... even multi line editing. Sounds BRILLIANT, right? Wrong. 2. It never got me what I wanted I originally bought MLO because it was said to be "the task manager to go to after you've tried all the others". It was said to be a "task management *platform*" that lets you design your own way of working - your own "task management *application*" if you will. And I must have tried about 10 completely different ways of working, with flags doing stuff and tags doing stuff, folders doing stuff... but I was NEVER HAPPY with any of them. My greatest problem was finding a good way to move tasks & projects from GTD list to GTD list. (i.e. Inbox / Active / Someday / Waiting etc.) Every single thing I tried has horrible unintended consequences. My final conclusion was that the MLO needs a separate database field for "List", but it's pretty clear that that's never going to happen. But there are other problems too. Even now, it's very, VERY easy to get slightly confused. Everything seems to take *too many clicks*. Other task management applications have a sort of pre-built dashboard with everything you need to filter one just 1 (or sometimes 2) clicks away. For example: "Show me all my Person (area of life) Active tasks that are starred" ==> How many clicks?! "Now change it to Work area of life" ==> How many clicks? "Now stay in Work area of life, but remove starred filter, and instead show me tagged '@Errands' that are Someday" ==> How many clicks? It seems to me that unless you have an entire tab (work area) set up just for the view you want, it's always a LOT of clicks. But if you have say 15 Context-tags, you cant possibly have a tab for each multiplied by the number of work areas - that would be INSANE... not to mention v difficult to navigate. So I'm off. Just thought I'd say why... J On Tuesday, November 6, 2012 at 9:44:29 AM UTC, Darius wrote: > > I've checked a MLO roadmap and I must say I don't see a good future for > MLO . MLO is doing a big mistake: no web app or API for MLO cloud, there is > even no basic support for web planned . Now MLO is just not a true multi OS > device. > > I've have 3 new machines and on every of them I cannot use MLO. One is > Raspberry PI, one is laptop with Ubuntu, one is VMware with Lubuntu for my > TV ( I have Windows PC and Galaxy note which I am using fine with MLO) . I > know, this is Linux and Linux is not supported, but the problem is bigger: > > Now we have Windows RT released. How to use MLO? > As in my example I have some machines with Linux, how to use MLO? > If windows 8 fails, and some people will turn to Mac/Linux, what to do? > If I bought chrome book, how to use MLO? > > In short I don't think the developement for all the OS will be fast enough > without any web app... > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MyLifeOrganized" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to mylifeorganized+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to mylifeorganized@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/mylifeorganized. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/mylifeorganized/162de663-d537-451b-aada-816f7db21f52%40googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [MLO] Re: Currently I see no future in MLO
Am 10.08.2016 um 21:39 schrieb Nunya Bidness Gogl: Primarily for me, the biggest problem seems to be that there is still no Linux version, ... And there probably never will. The simple reason is that MLO was designed as a Windows app, it does probably not use any of the cross-platform GUI such as Qt. That's also why it the GUI is so nice and snappy on Windows. They could have created a cross-platform Java GUI, but then the UI would have been ugly and slow. So supporting Linux would mean a rewrite using a cross-platform UI toolkit or maintaining a separate codebase for Linux. That's something a small company with few developers simple cannot afford - timewise and skill-wise. Not even large companies like Evernote can afford to provide a Linux client. They certainly would do that if it was so easy. Microsoft doesn't provide a Linux client for OneNote either (though they provide one for iOS and Android). The market is simply too small even for such widely used applications and the burden is too much. So I think it's unfair and unrealistic to expect a small company to provide a native client for Linux. They already have clients for Windows, Mac, iOS and Android with different code bases - which is a incredible huge effort to maintain that can only be admired, and I can understand that they're already at the limit of what they can do. If they want to spread to more platforms, the only sane way for them would be to stop providing native clients, and instead offer a web app (with full offline support), like Dwight suggested, or a full cross platform app built with a modern tool like Electron. But even that would be a huge effort for them and amount to a full rewrite with a new technology stack they are probably not yet acquainted with. So I can still understand that they are reluctant to do that step. The web technology and frameworks are also still in flux - choosing a good framework or toolkit that is viable long-term is difficult. I view MLO like a good craft beer from a small independent brewer. They already make different variations of their beer. But some people demand that they also make mainstream beer, others demand they also make wine. But then they would stop being what they are and their great craft beer would become the same as every other beer. Speaking of wine: You should try running MLO on Linux via wine (https://www.winehq.org/). Last time I tried it seemed to work, though I'm not sure how good that works in practice. -- Christoph -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MyLifeOrganized" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to mylifeorganized+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to mylifeorganized@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/mylifeorganized. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/mylifeorganized/44667ef9-2711-ffb6-abb7-86cc977a5703%40online.de. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[MLO] Re: MLO Pro over all platforms
5 is actually Yes. More than one person can enter data to MLO if they are using different devices. Sync will sort it out but it may take a couple of goes before all devices have the same data. Cloud sync required for more than 2 people. One caveat, don't try to edit the same task on more than one device as you'll get sync conflict and lose one set of changes. Nick -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MyLifeOrganized" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to mylifeorganized+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to mylifeorganized@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/mylifeorganized. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/mylifeorganized/f337f1fb-33b6-4ad7-ac8a-a856143f8cca%40googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
