Re: IPv6 Ignorance
My customer the Dark Matter local galaxy group beg to disagree; just because you cannot see them does not mean that you cannot feel them gravitationally. Or route to them. George William Herbert Sent from my iPhone On Sep 28, 2012, at 10:31 PM, John R. Levine jo...@iecc.com wrote: You won't have enough addresses for Dark Matter, Neutrinos, etc. Atoms wind up using up about 63 bits (2^10^82) based on the current SWAG. The missing mass is 84% of the universe. Fortunately, until we find it, it doesn't need addresses. -Original Message- From: Randy Bush [mailto:ra...@psg.com] Sent: Monday, September 17, 2012 8:30 PM To: John Levine Cc: nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: IPv6 Ignorance In technology, not much. But I'd be pretty surprised if the laws of arithmetic were to change, or if we were to find it useful to assign IP addresses to objects smaller than a single atom. we assign them /64s Regards, John Levine, jo...@iecc.com, Primary Perpetrator of The Internet for Dummies, Please consider the environment before reading this e-mail. http://jl.ly
Re: IPv6 Ignorance
To address everything in the Universe wouldn't you then get stuck in some kinda of loop of having to address the matter that is used by the addresses... i.e. to address everything in the Universe you need more matter than the Universe? *brain* pop On Sat, Sep 29, 2012 at 4:17 PM, George Herbert george.herb...@gmail.comwrote: My customer the Dark Matter local galaxy group beg to disagree; just because you cannot see them does not mean that you cannot feel them gravitationally. Or route to them. George William Herbert Sent from my iPhone On Sep 28, 2012, at 10:31 PM, John R. Levine jo...@iecc.com wrote: You won't have enough addresses for Dark Matter, Neutrinos, etc. Atoms wind up using up about 63 bits (2^10^82) based on the current SWAG. The missing mass is 84% of the universe. Fortunately, until we find it, it doesn't need addresses. -Original Message- From: Randy Bush [mailto:ra...@psg.com] Sent: Monday, September 17, 2012 8:30 PM To: John Levine Cc: nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: IPv6 Ignorance In technology, not much. But I'd be pretty surprised if the laws of arithmetic were to change, or if we were to find it useful to assign IP addresses to objects smaller than a single atom. we assign them /64s Regards, John Levine, jo...@iecc.com, Primary Perpetrator of The Internet for Dummies, Please consider the environment before reading this e-mail. http://jl.ly -- Regards, Jason Leschnik. [m] 0432 35 4224 [w@] jason dot leschnik at ansto dot gov dot aujason.lesch...@ansto.gov.au [U@] jml...@uow.edu.au
Re: /. Terabit Ethernet is Dead, for Now
Jared Mauch wrote: There is also a problem in the 100GbE space where the market pricing hasn't yet reached an amount whereby the economics are close enough to push people beyond N*10G. The problem is that physical layer of 100GE (with 10*10G) and 10*10GE are identical (if same plug and cable are used both for 100GE and 10*10GE). Both 100GE and 10*10GE use trunking. The difference is whether trunking is done below (100GE) or above (10*10GE) L2 framing. While 100GE has lower HOL delay (though already negligible with 10GE), 10*10GE is more flexible. Still, for 100GE, under some circumstances, 100GE with 4*25G may become less expensive than 10*10GE. But, as it is unlikely that 1TE will be 4*250G or 400GE will be 2*200G, faster Ethernet has little, if any, economical merit. Masataka Ohta
RE: guys != gender neutral
Intention is everything, words are only part of it. If you can't determine
intention and you get upset then it is you that has the problem. Ask or let it
go and assume the best intentions. The world be a lot better off if we all did
this.
Lorell Hathcock lor...@hathcock.org wrote:
We may not all be guys. We may not all be gals. But we are definitely
all
CLOWNS. This is a substitution that should be acceptable to all and it
really works.
Sales-clown. Yep!
Mail-clown. Yep!
Fire-clown. Yep!
Police-clown. Yep!
Congress-clown. Yep! Yep!
-Original Message-
From: Landon Stewart [mailto:lstew...@superb.net]
Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2012 3:56 PM
To: Owen DeLong
Cc: nanog@nanog.org
Subject: Re: guys != gender neutral
On 27 September 2012 11:34, Owen DeLong o...@delong.com wrote:
When did people stop being an acceptable gender-neutral substitute
for {guys,gals}?
Owen
Using the word 'people' is good but I like to say 'humans'.
What's up humans?
Can I get you humans to drink?
This rarely offends anyone.
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Re: guys != gender neutral
On 9/28/12, joseph.sny...@gmail.com joseph.sny...@gmail.com wrote: Intention is everything, words are only part of it. If you can't determine intention and you get upset then it is you that has the problem. Ask or let it go and assume the best intentions. The world be a lot better off if we all did this. Exactly. In protest against all the pedantry, in the selection of neutral terms; I suggest making a habit of doing the opposite of what pedants want in other words: just ignore the reaching-out-on-a-limb-and-trying-to-dictate-what-the-sky-means arguments about if-word-x-is-really-neutral. Use the neutral terms we are already familiar with, that are understood, convenient, and natural; If you think Guys is neutral, for cases where the distinction between gender isn't important, then that's how it is; it's not something that can be dictated otherwise by anyone other than the speaker. The understood part is most important, especially on mailing lists. And lo the OP has opened up a can of worms here on NANOG, which are crawling around, all over the place and setting up nests, creating infestations. Please kindly get every single one of the worms released, packed up immediately, reseal the can-o-worms, and ship them back to their natural habitat in the US, Washington DC, before Monday, so we can have fewer distractions from legit operational matters. Thanks, -- -JH
RE: guys != gender neutral
Ugly bags of mostly water? --- () ascii ribbon campaign against html e-mail /\ www.asciiribbon.org -Original Message- From: Otis L. Surratt, Jr. [mailto:o...@ocosa.com] Sent: Friday, 28 September, 2012 05:33 To: nanog@nanog.org Subject: RE: guys != gender neutral Maybe the OP for really nasty attacks in hindsight wishes NANOGers was used instead to address the list. :) Having all walks of life essentially all around, it really makes one careful to truly think before speaking. Sometimes we miss this with everything we have going on, but no one is perfect. The bottomline is, no one can really sastifisfy any indivdual and their preference of how they would liked to be addressed. If one is to be offended or looks for offense they will capitalize on it period. I try much as possible to avoid those situations. When we refer to our clients in a mass communication we either utilize our tools to auto fix their name to the letter or we address them as OCOSA Family or All or Clients. We are a very family-oriented business and are down to Earth. We'd like to believe our clients are apart of our family and some may take offense but you might or never would know unless an opportunity presented itself. Personally, I practice using the person's name, I am in communication with...not buddy, bud, pal, man, guys, gal y'all and etc. When addressing mixed gender groups, I simply speak or address as all. Thus, no mistakes. When addressing both genders you have to be extremely careful. Ultimately, It depends on the audience and treating all with respect seems to work for me. For example: You could address a group a men and call them boys. Well, that might offend some, especially if they are older than you. For example: You could address a group of young adults and call them kids. Well, that might offend some. As Owen mentioned saying human seems okay and true but then again, because it's not the norm it raises some question. (Internal thinking process, Oh I'm a HUMAN, well I that is true then your temperature gets back to normal) :) In general, this is life and I simply have fun and enjoy it because it's too short. Otis
