Re: NDAA passed: Internet and Online Streaming Services Emergency Alert Study

[Jay R. Ashworth]

- Original Message -
> From: "Richard Porter" 

> On Mon, Jan 4, 2021 at 10:25 PM Chris Adams  wrote:

>> I wouldn't think so, because some of the important alerts are very time
>> sensitive.  It's been mentioned several times in this thread that the
>> earthquake alerts are on the order of 10 seconds in advance.  I know
>> someone that survived a tornado by a few seconds (the time it took to
>> get out of bed and get to the bedroom door as the tornado dropped the
>> second floor of the house on the bed).
>>
> 4G/LTE/5G networks could be further leveraged for this. In Denton County,
> TX, USA, you can register to "opt in" to receive weather alerts. We get
> tornadoes here. I could see better leveraging of that technology than
> streaming services. It is uncommon to find anyone without a cell phone in
> the US anymore.

Yup; it's called Commercial Mobile Alerting Service (Or Wireless Emergency
Alerts, if you're a consumer), and it's been deployed, over SMS Cell Broadcast,
for about 10 years now, depending on your carrier.

NWS can actually send Tornado WARNINGS *to specific sectors of specific towers*,
so they can warn exactly the people necessary in real-time... if it's 
implemented
correctly along the entire path.  I'm not actually certain which carriers if any
have actually deployed the enchilada.

Cheers,
-- jra
-- 
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Re: NDAA passed: Internet and Online Streaming Services Emergency Alert Study

[Richard Porter]

On Mon, Jan 4, 2021 at 10:25 PM Chris Adams  wrote:

> Once upon a time, Billy Crook  said:
> > On a technical note (having read the comment about overloading the
> system)
> > could a system like DNS help handle this?
>
> I wouldn't think so, because some of the important alerts are very time
> sensitive.  It's been mentioned several times in this thread that the
> earthquake alerts are on the order of 10 seconds in advance.  I know
> someone that survived a tornado by a few seconds (the time it took to
> get out of bed and get to the bedroom door as the tornado dropped the
> second floor of the house on the bed).
>
4G/LTE/5G networks could be further leveraged for this. In Denton County,
TX, USA, you can register to "opt in" to receive weather alerts. We get
tornadoes here. I could see better leveraging of that technology than
streaming services. It is uncommon to find anyone without a cell phone in
the US anymore.

EMS services in some states leverage private 3G/4G networks for real-time
communications. Wider reach in population clusters.


> To be useful for the worst events, they need to be push, and push in
> very short order.  And since those are the alerts most likely to be
> life-saving, those are what the system needs to be built for (or what's
> the point).
>
> And to the point of the weather service sending out more alerts than in
> the past: yes, they do.  To some extent, it's better radars and software
> to find hazards; they're also learning all the time to better identify
> what is and is not a threat (so there are storms that might have had a
> warning 10 years ago that might not today).  But I'll take extra alerts
> now and then... a friend died in a tornado years ago because the warning
> came after it was on the ground (and probably after they were dead).
>
> --
> Chris Adams 
>

Re: NDAA passed: Internet and Online Streaming Services Emergency Alert Study

[Chris Adams]

Once upon a time, Billy Crook  said:
> On a technical note (having read the comment about overloading the system)
> could a system like DNS help handle this?

I wouldn't think so, because some of the important alerts are very time
sensitive.  It's been mentioned several times in this thread that the
earthquake alerts are on the order of 10 seconds in advance.  I know
someone that survived a tornado by a few seconds (the time it took to
get out of bed and get to the bedroom door as the tornado dropped the
second floor of the house on the bed).

To be useful for the worst events, they need to be push, and push in
very short order.  And since those are the alerts most likely to be
life-saving, those are what the system needs to be built for (or what's
the point).

And to the point of the weather service sending out more alerts than in
the past: yes, they do.  To some extent, it's better radars and software
to find hazards; they're also learning all the time to better identify
what is and is not a threat (so there are storms that might have had a
warning 10 years ago that might not today).  But I'll take extra alerts
now and then... a friend died in a tornado years ago because the warning
came after it was on the ground (and probably after they were dead).

-- 
Chris Adams 

Re: NDAA passed: Internet and Online Streaming Services Emergency Alert Study

[Billy Crook]

On Fri, Jan 1, 2021 at 4:13 PM Matt Hoppes <
mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote:

> How would that even work?  Force a pop up into web traffic?  What if the
> end users is using an app on a phone?


Mitch please  If YouTube can mash back-to-back unskippable ads on
demand into content, they can put an emergency alert in there, and I bet
people would like them more than the ads.

Just give users the ability to select what categories/severities they want
to see, so I don't get disrupted every time there's a scary rain storm
coming or some divorcee is behind on child-support.

On a technical note (having read the comment about overloading the system)
could a system like DNS help handle this?  i.e. put the alerts in TXT
records.  every playback device can check for them at the US, state, county
level.  The TXT record links to an https JSON/XML with more detail, link to
video.  ISPs cache them to reduce load, TTLs prevent unnecessary traffic
because everybody respects those

Maybe the endpoints don't even query the federal records, but the county
records instead, which mirror any relevant state and federal records, and
counties that are too 'rural' just get managed by their state.

I dug into how the actual emergency alerts in my area work many years ago
and I could swear machine-formatted email was involved, at least regarding
weather alerts.

Then again how many people would benefit from adding this to online
streaming, but don't already have cellphones that have emergency alert
popups that get their attention.  The kind of people who don't have
smartphones are going to be the ones still watching bunny ears television
anyway.  In other words, you're not going to reach the people who *don't *have
smartphones by ADDING more technology.

Solution, seeking problem  which explains why it's coming out of the
federal government.  Can't we just scrap it and have that tax money back
please, mkay?  How about we NOT build another mechanism for the government
to incite panic?  Did we learn nothing from 2020?

OT: StarterWare (was: Re: NDAA passed: Internet and Online Streaming Services Emergency Alert Study)

[Karl Auer]

On Tue, 2021-01-05 at 11:07 +0900, Masataka Ohta wrote:
> Mike Hammett wrote:
> > No one cares about old hardware when solving a modern problem.
> Modern examples do exist, for example:
> 
>   https://processors.wiki.ti.com/index.php/StarterWare

But get in quick - the site will be removed on 15 January 2021.

Regards, K.

-- 
~~~
Karl Auer (ka...@biplane.com.au)
http://www.biplane.com.au/kauer

Re: NDAA passed: Internet and Online Streaming Services Emergency Alert Study

[Valdis Klētnieks]

On Mon, 04 Jan 2021 15:33:10 -0500, b...@theworld.com said:
> Why wouldn't we just build this into 10-year battery smoke alarms, a
> simple radio receiver?

First, that means your smoke alarm batteries run down faster, which is
a major issue.

I didn't bother thinking past that show-stopper, others can do so if they 
wish...


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Re: NDAA passed: Internet and Online Streaming Services Emergency Alert Study

[Masataka Ohta]

Mike Hammett wrote:


No one cares about old hardware when solving a modern problem.


Modern examples do exist, for example:

https://processors.wiki.ti.com/index.php/StarterWare
StarterWare is a free software development package that
provides no-OS platform support for ARM and DSP TI
processors.

but harder to understand for people who lack precise
knowledge on what computers and OSes are.

Masataka Ohta

Re: NDAA passed: Internet and Online Streaming Services Emergency Alert Study

[Richard Porter]

Comment inline

On Mon, Jan 4, 2021 at 5:32 PM J. Hellenthal via NANOG 
wrote:

> Comment inline
>
> --
>  J. Hellenthal
>
> The fact that there's a highway to Hell but only a stairway to Heaven says
> a lot about anticipated traffic volume.
>
> > On Jan 4, 2021, at 14:35, b...@theworld.com wrote:
> >
> > 
> > Why wouldn't we just build this into 10-year battery smoke alarms, a
> > simple radio receiver?
>
> Someone contact  gentex.com to go over the IoT thoughts.
>
Whatever could go wrong with putting *MORE* critical things on the internet
*Sarcasm REALLY intended here*? The Video Game *Cyberpunk 2077* seems kinda
prophetic?

Let us not forget the Hawaii incident from Human error.

https://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/story/37260138/watch-gov-david-ige-on-what-triggered-ballistic-missile-false-alarm/

I think the internet ship sailed with RFC 1 ;)

>
>
> >
> > Why does anyone think this must be a feature of the internet when, as
> > people here have described, that entails all sorts of complexities.
> >
> > You just want something that goes BEEP-BEEP-BEEP KISS YOUR ASS
> > GOODBYE! BEEP BEEP BEEP really loudly on command, perhaps with some
> > more detail.
> >
> > Probably about 10c in circuitry involved.
> >
> > We're really getting way into the cargo cult worship of the internet
> > much like how TV in the 1950s was supposed to be the answer to every
> > one of society's problems but mostly what we got were sitcoms and ads
> > for bad beer.
> >
> > Ok, proceed with the list of edge cases. But at least there are laws
> > requiring smoke alarms most everywhere.
> >
> > --
> >-Barry Shein
> >
> > Software Tool & Die| b...@theworld.com |
> http://www.TheWorld.com
> > Purveyors to the Trade | Voice: +1 617-STD-WRLD   | 800-THE-WRLD
> > The World: Since 1989  | A Public Information Utility | *oo*
>

Re: NDAA passed: Internet and Online Streaming Services Emergency Alert Study

[J. Hellenthal via NANOG]

Comment inline

-- 
 J. Hellenthal

The fact that there's a highway to Hell but only a stairway to Heaven says a 
lot about anticipated traffic volume.

> On Jan 4, 2021, at 14:35, b...@theworld.com wrote:
> 
> 
> Why wouldn't we just build this into 10-year battery smoke alarms, a
> simple radio receiver?

Someone contact  gentex.com to go over the IoT thoughts.


> 
> Why does anyone think this must be a feature of the internet when, as
> people here have described, that entails all sorts of complexities.
> 
> You just want something that goes BEEP-BEEP-BEEP KISS YOUR ASS
> GOODBYE! BEEP BEEP BEEP really loudly on command, perhaps with some
> more detail.
> 
> Probably about 10c in circuitry involved.
> 
> We're really getting way into the cargo cult worship of the internet
> much like how TV in the 1950s was supposed to be the answer to every
> one of society's problems but mostly what we got were sitcoms and ads
> for bad beer.
> 
> Ok, proceed with the list of edge cases. But at least there are laws
> requiring smoke alarms most everywhere.
> 
> -- 
>-Barry Shein
> 
> Software Tool & Die| b...@theworld.com | 
> http://www.TheWorld.com
> Purveyors to the Trade | Voice: +1 617-STD-WRLD   | 800-THE-WRLD
> The World: Since 1989  | A Public Information Utility | *oo*

RE: NDAA passed: Internet and Online Streaming Services Emergency Alert Study

[bzs]

Why wouldn't we just build this into 10-year battery smoke alarms, a
simple radio receiver?

Why does anyone think this must be a feature of the internet when, as
people here have described, that entails all sorts of complexities.

You just want something that goes BEEP-BEEP-BEEP KISS YOUR ASS
GOODBYE! BEEP BEEP BEEP really loudly on command, perhaps with some
more detail.

Probably about 10c in circuitry involved.

We're really getting way into the cargo cult worship of the internet
much like how TV in the 1950s was supposed to be the answer to every
one of society's problems but mostly what we got were sitcoms and ads
for bad beer.

Ok, proceed with the list of edge cases. But at least there are laws
requiring smoke alarms most everywhere.

-- 
-Barry Shein

Software Tool & Die| b...@theworld.com | http://www.TheWorld.com
Purveyors to the Trade | Voice: +1 617-STD-WRLD   | 800-THE-WRLD
The World: Since 1989  | A Public Information Utility | *oo*

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Re: NDAA passed: Internet and Online Streaming Services Emergency Alert Study

[Tom Beecher]

>
> Most civilized societies immensely value a great many things, and for
> exactly zero of them is it acceptable for the government to kick down my
> door, wake me up, and scrawl a message on my wall to make sure I hear
> about it.  Just because digital tools can save the government millions
> of man-hours because they no longer have to go house-to-house doesn't
> justify the theft and use of my personal property against my wishes.
>

Government Alerts on both IOS and Android are enabled by default, but the
operating systems provide very simple toggles to disable them if you so
choose.

I'm also curious if you consider any unwanted notification or pop up on
your devices as 'theft', because it's not.

On Mon, Jan 4, 2021 at 4:17 AM Peter Kristolaitis 
wrote:

> Most civilized societies immensely value a great many things, and for
> exactly zero of them is it acceptable for the government to kick down my
> door, wake me up, and scrawl a message on my wall to make sure I hear
> about it.  Just because digital tools can save the government millions
> of man-hours because they no longer have to go house-to-house doesn't
> justify the theft and use of my personal property against my wishes.
>
>
> On 2021-01-04 3:56 a.m., Krassimir Tzvetanov wrote:
> > Also a PSA: Amber alerts, Emergency alerts, and Public Safety alerts
> > all go over cell broadcast. Think of it as a broadcast message on a
> > LAN where the LAN is the local mobile phone cell. The reason you get
> > that message 600 miles away for an amber alert is because in most
> > civilized societies children's lives are immensely valued. And a 5-6
> > hour driving distance is not much knowing the lifecycle of reporting
> > of such things and activation of the system, and also the time it
> > takes for some of those kidnappings to be discovered before it can
> > even be reported.
>

Re: NDAA passed: Internet and Online Streaming Services Emergency Alert Study

[Mike Hammett]

*facepalm* 


No one cares about old hardware when solving a modern problem. 





Existing IP <-> geolocation methods, assuming they are up to date and have easy 
maintenance, are good enough. I know that assumption isn't always able to be 
made, but that's a separate conversation. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 

- Original Message -

From: "Masataka Ohta"  
To: "Mike Hammett"  
Cc: nanog@nanog.org 
Sent: Monday, January 4, 2021 9:50:11 AM 
Subject: Re: NDAA passed: Internet and Online Streaming Services Emergency 
Alert Study 

Mike Hammett wrote: 

> Every device that would be capable of doing anything also has an OS. 

Old computers had hardware (manually manipulated switches and 
light bulbs to read/write specific memory locations) to install boot 
strap loader to download OS without any OS. 

> The only involvement ISPs should have is ensuring that they have 
> proper IP <-> geolocation information 

Though IP layer has notion of location w.r.t. network topology, 
it is not geolocation, which is why there is no precise geolocation 
services to be relied by essential services such as emergency 
alert. 

Masataka Ohta 

Re: NDAA passed: Internet and Online Streaming Services Emergency Alert Study

[Masataka Ohta]

Mike Hammett wrote:


Every device that would be capable of doing anything also has an OS.


Old computers had hardware (manually manipulated switches and
light bulbs to read/write specific memory locations) to install boot
strap loader to download OS without any OS.


The only involvement ISPs should have is ensuring that they have
proper IP <-> geolocation information


Though IP layer has notion of location w.r.t. network topology,
it is not geolocation, which is why there is no precise geolocation
services to be relied by essential services such as emergency
alert.

Masataka Ohta

Re: NDAA passed: Internet and Online Streaming Services Emergency Alert Study

[Michael Thomas]

On 1/3/21 2:01 PM, Andy Brezinsky wrote:
At this point I would assume that nearly every device is persisting at 
least one long lived TCP connection.  Whether it's for telemetry or 
command and control, everything these days seems to have this 
capability.  As an example, I can hit a button in the Nintendo Switch 
parent app on my phone and my kid's Switch is reflecting changes a 
second later.  That's not even a platform I would have expected to 
have that capability.


If they have an existing connection then there lots of high connection 
count solutions in the IOT space that could easily handle this number 
of connections.  A single 12c 32G box running emqttd could handle 1.3M 
connections.  Just picking a random AWS EC2 size machine, m5.4xlarge, 
would run you about $0.003/year per device to keep that connection 
open and passing data.  I assume you could drive that down 
significantly from there.


These days I would expect that just about everything has a websocket. I 
expect that google docs inspired a generation of applications.


Mike

Re: NDAA passed: Internet and Online Streaming Services Emergency Alert Study

[Masataka Ohta]

Brandon Martin wrote:


On 1/4/21 10:01 AM, Masataka Ohta wrote:

Any device with speaker should produce audible alert and any
device with display should produce visible alert.


I'm not sure typical North American residential construction could 
tolerate the sonic pressure generated by such a "goal"...


It depends on FCC.

Conventional devices like TVs only alert when 
on,


In north America, maybe. But, many modern TVs in Japan will be turned
on when they receive emergency earthquake alert over radio waves.

Masataka Ohta

Re: NDAA passed: Internet and Online Streaming Services Emergency Alert Study

[Jason Canady]

I agree with Mike on this.


On 1/4/21 10:17 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:
Every device that would be capable of doing anything also has an OS. 
That OS is likely shared amongst multiple device models.


The only involvement ISPs should have is ensuring that they have 
proper IP <-> geolocation information and your standard IP forwarding 
principles. ISPs should not be involved in the processing or design of 
any of this. It simply doesn't involve them.




-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 


*From: *"Masataka Ohta" 
*To: *nanog@nanog.org
*Sent: *Monday, January 4, 2021 9:01:57 AM
*Subject: *Re: NDAA passed: Internet and Online Streaming Services 
Emergency Alert Study


Mike Hammett wrote:

> What makes the most sense is the underlying OS does the work and not
> each individual app.

It all depends on not OSes but devices.

Any device with speaker should produce audible alert and any
device with display should produce visible alert.

As devices are identified at the IP layer, the alert must be
distributed at the IP layer, that is, by ISPs.

Masataka Ohta

Re: NDAA passed: Internet and Online Streaming Services Emergency Alert Study

[Mike Hammett]

Every device that would be capable of doing anything also has an OS. That OS is 
likely shared amongst multiple device models. 


The only involvement ISPs should have is ensuring that they have proper IP <-> 
geolocation information and your standard IP forwarding principles. ISPs should 
not be involved in the processing or design of any of this. It simply doesn't 
involve them. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 

- Original Message -

From: "Masataka Ohta"  
To: nanog@nanog.org 
Sent: Monday, January 4, 2021 9:01:57 AM 
Subject: Re: NDAA passed: Internet and Online Streaming Services Emergency 
Alert Study 

Mike Hammett wrote: 

> What makes the most sense is the underlying OS does the work and not 
> each individual app. 

It all depends on not OSes but devices. 

Any device with speaker should produce audible alert and any 
device with display should produce visible alert. 

As devices are identified at the IP layer, the alert must be 
distributed at the IP layer, that is, by ISPs. 

Masataka Ohta 

Re: NDAA passed: Internet and Online Streaming Services Emergency Alert Study

[Mike Hammett]

Then modify the underlying OS to accommodate it. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 

- Original Message -

From: "Michael Thomas"  
To: nanog@nanog.org 
Sent: Monday, January 4, 2021 8:53:38 AM 
Subject: Re: NDAA passed: Internet and Online Streaming Services Emergency 
Alert Study 




On 1/4/21 6:44 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: 



What makes the most sense is the underlying OS does the work and not each 
individual app. 


The underlying OS gets these alerts from some aggregator that collects this 
information from all jurisdictions. 


Doing it at the app layer seems foolish. 




That probably makes sense generally, but for things like earthquakes which have 
tight requirements (= < 10 seconds), you probably need specialized apps. 


Mike 

Re: NDAA passed: Internet and Online Streaming Services Emergency Alert Study

[Brandon Martin]

On 1/4/21 10:01 AM, Masataka Ohta wrote:

Any device with speaker should produce audible alert and any
device with display should produce visible alert.


I'm not sure typical North American residential construction could  
tolerate the sonic pressure generated by such a "goal"...


Streaming devices, sure.  They're in-line with conventional distribution  
channels for emergency alerts such as television, radio, etc.  That  
would include "smart speakers", TV streaming sources, etc.


But my refrigerator, washing machine, etc. does not need to do  
this...many could (they have Internet connectivity in some cases), but  
that's just overkill and honestly silly.


I'm also of the mindset that, in the end, the owner/operator of a given  
device should be given the authority to disable emergency alerts on that  
device. It's their device, after all. They may have other ways they  
prefer to receive such alerts, or they may want to die in a tornado. I'm  
not going to stop them. Conventional devices like TVs only alert when  
on, and things like weather radios can be placed into a non-alerting  
mode without losing other owner-relevant functionality.


I'll note that most mobile phones allow the user to turn off most  
(though usually not all) emergency alerts.  Non-OEM OS ROMs often go  
further.

--
Brandon Martin

Re: NDAA passed: Internet and Online Streaming Services Emergency Alert Study

[Masataka Ohta]

Michael Thomas wrote:

That probably makes sense generally, but for things like earthquakes 
which have tight requirements (= < 10 seconds), you probably need 
specialized apps.


From regulatory point of view, it merely means that devices
sold in some regulatory region (such as US regulated by FCC),
are regulatory required to support specialized mechanism,
maybe as OS internal functionality or maybe as application
bundled with OS, for regulatory required alert.

Masataka Ohta

Re: NDAA passed: Internet and Online Streaming Services Emergency Alert Study

[Masataka Ohta]

Mike Hammett wrote:


What makes the most sense is the underlying OS does the work and not
each individual app.


It all depends on not OSes but devices.

Any device with speaker should produce audible alert and any
device with display should produce visible alert.

As devices are identified at the IP layer, the alert must be
distributed at the IP layer, that is, by ISPs.

Masataka Ohta

Re: NDAA passed: Internet and Online Streaming Services Emergency Alert Study

[Michael Thomas]

On 1/4/21 6:44 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:
What makes the most sense is the underlying OS does the work and not 
each individual app.


The underlying OS gets these alerts from some aggregator that collects 
this information from all jurisdictions.


Doing it at the app layer seems foolish.

That probably makes sense generally, but for things like earthquakes 
which have tight requirements (= < 10 seconds), you probably need 
specialized apps.



Mike

Re: NDAA passed: Internet and Online Streaming Services Emergency Alert Study

[Mike Hammett]

What makes the most sense is the underlying OS does the work and not each 
individual app. 


The underlying OS gets these alerts from some aggregator that collects this 
information from all jurisdictions. 


Doing it at the app layer seems foolish. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 

- Original Message -

From: "Matt Hoppes"  
To: "Sean Donelan"  
Cc: nanog@nanog.org 
Sent: Friday, January 1, 2021 4:12:40 PM 
Subject: Re: NDAA passed: Internet and Online Streaming Services Emergency 
Alert Study 

How would that even work? Force a pop up into web traffic? What if the end 
users is using an app on a phone? 

> On Jan 1, 2021, at 5:10 PM, Sean Donelan  wrote: 
> 
> 
> The House on Monday and the Senate on Friday have overriden the President's 
> veto of the National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2021 passing 
> it into law. 
> 
> Among the NDAA's various sections, it includes the Reliable Emergency Alert 
> Distribution Improvement (READI) Act. The READI Act includes a study and 
> report for Emergency Alerts via the internet and streaming services. 
> 
> 
> SEC. 9201. RELIABLE EMERGENCY ALERT DISTRIBUTION IMPROVEMENT. 
> [...] 
> (e) INTERNET AND ONLINE STREAMING SERVICES EMERGENCY ALERT EXAMINATION.— 
> (1) STUDY.—Not later than 180 days after the date of 
> enactment of this Act, and after providing public notice and 
> opportunity for comment, the Commission shall complete an 
> inquiry to examine the feasibility of updating the Emergency 
> Alert System to enable or improve alerts to consumers provided 
> through the internet, including through streaming services. 

Re: NDAA passed: Internet and Online Streaming Services Emergency Alert Study

[Masataka Ohta]

Valdis Klētnieks wrote:


That's why I think doing it at the streaming service level is one level too 
high.


As IP layer is the highest location dependent layer, any layer above
it needs special mechanism to explicitly treat location information,
which does not scale especially at international scale, though many
of you might think FCC can control all the foreign operators.

Masataka Ohta

Re: NDAA passed: Internet and Online Streaming Services Emergency Alert Study

[Peter Kristolaitis]

Most civilized societies immensely value a great many things, and for 
exactly zero of them is it acceptable for the government to kick down my 
door, wake me up, and scrawl a message on my wall to make sure I hear 
about it.  Just because digital tools can save the government millions 
of man-hours because they no longer have to go house-to-house doesn't 
justify the theft and use of my personal property against my wishes.



On 2021-01-04 3:56 a.m., Krassimir Tzvetanov wrote:
Also a PSA: Amber alerts, Emergency alerts, and Public Safety alerts 
all go over cell broadcast. Think of it as a broadcast message on a 
LAN where the LAN is the local mobile phone cell. The reason you get 
that message 600 miles away for an amber alert is because in most 
civilized societies children's lives are immensely valued. And a 5-6 
hour driving distance is not much knowing the lifecycle of reporting 
of such things and activation of the system, and also the time it 
takes for some of those kidnappings to be discovered before it can 
even be reported.

Re: NDAA passed: Internet and Online Streaming Services Emergency Alert Study

[Krassimir Tzvetanov]

I am impressed that this thread made it to the drain in less than a day, so
here are my few cents on the topic.

First, the NDAA does not prescribe port numbers, or any other technology,
as no policy document EVER should. It's plain and simple. Mark Foster
covered it well, but here is a slightly different point - if the
government needs to insert _high priority programming_ whatever you are
operating it needs to be able to do that. Now think about your deer grandma
(on the one you hate but the dear one), who is sitting on her couch
immersed in YouTube jumping cats videos, while there is a tornado in the
area. Wouldn't you be happy that YouTube implemented the alert system so
grandma now knows she needs to go in the shelter?

It is impressive how everyone got worked up on the veto and didn't pay
attention to what was written in the NDAA but I'll let people read through
it as I don't think this list is suitable for political discussions.

Also a PSA: Amber alerts, Emergency alerts, and Public Safety alerts all go
over cell broadcast. Think of it as a broadcast message on a LAN where the
LAN is the local mobile phone cell. The reason you get that message 600
miles away for an amber alert is because in most civilized societies
children's lives are immensely valued. And a 5-6 hour driving distance is
not much knowing the lifecycle of reporting of such things and activation
of the system, and also the time it takes for some of those kidnappings to
be discovered before it can even be reported.

Cheers,


On Mon, Jan 4, 2021 at 2:00 AM Mark Tinka  wrote:

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> On 1/2/21 22:40, Sabri Berisha wrote:
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> > Aliens always invade New York, so I'm safe up here :)
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> I thought that was Roswell :-).
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> Mark.
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