Re: End-user Alert Delivery (was Re: NDAA passed: Internet and Online Streaming Services Emergency Alert Study)

[bzs]

On January 14, 2021 at 04:56 j...@baylink.com (Jay R. Ashworth) wrote:
 > Well, it probably gets way worse: if it's a "permanent" battery, it will be
 > harder to find, and harder to replace...

No, you don't replace the permanent batteries in these 10 year smoke
detectors, you toss the whole smoke detector and buy a new one. Heroic
efforts aside.

So you don't need to find the right battery.

FWIW many smoke detectors bought in the past 10-15 years (I dunno but
something like that) even with typical replaceable batteries have some
sort of timer in them so when they hit 10 years they begin beeping in
a slightly different pattern (like two short beeps every 60 seconds)
and replacing the battery doesn't help. It just begins doing that on
the fresh battery until you figure out that you need to toss the
detector and buy a new one.

Ran into that, looked it up on their web site as I was confused why a
new battery wasn't helping and they confirmed that means the detector
has expired buy a new one.

I assume these 10 year sealed smoke detectors somehow came out of
that.

 > 
 > - Original Message -
 > > From: "William Herrin" 
 > > To: "jra" 
 > > Cc: b...@theworld.com, nanog@nanog.org
 > > Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2021 11:52:47 PM
 > > Subject: Re: End-user Alert Delivery (was Re: NDAA passed: Internet and 
 > > Online Streaming Services Emergency Alert Study)
 > 
 > > On Wed, Jan 13, 2021 at 7:58 PM Jay R. Ashworth  wrote:
 > >> Last time I looked, consumer residential smoke detectors were still 
 > >> running
 > >> off 9V alkaline batteries, which are expected to run the device for 6 
 > >> months
 > >> of 1/99 duty cycle (or less, probably *way* less).
 > > 
 > > Ordinary ionization-based smoke detectors use a 10-year lithium
 > > battery, which is about the same lifespan as the americium-based
 > > detector circuit as it begins to decay into neptunium.
 > > 
 > > You may now resume your argument over how much battery drain is too much.
 > > 
 > > Regards,
 > > Bill Herrin
 > > 
 > > 
 > > --
 > > Hire me! https://bill.herrin.us/resume/
 > 
 > -- 
 > Jay R. Ashworth  Baylink   
 > j...@baylink.com
 > Designer The Things I Think   RFC 
 > 2100
 > Ashworth & Associates   http://www.bcp38.info  2000 Land Rover 
 > DII
 > St Petersburg FL USA  BCP38: Ask For It By Name!   +1 727 647 
 > 1274

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End-user Alert Delivery (was Re: NDAA passed: Internet and Online Streaming Services Emergency Alert Study)

[bzs]

(Topic at hand was just building an emergency alert system into smoke
detectors rather than try to come up with some complex
internet-oriented design.)

On January 14, 2021 at 03:56 j...@baylink.com (Jay R. Ashworth) wrote:
 > Last time I looked, consumer residential smoke detectors were still running
 > off 9V alkaline batteries, which are expected to run the device for 6 months
 > of 1/99 duty cycle (or less, probably *way* less).

Look again, as I said in the OP most consumer smoke detectors today
are sealed ten year, can't replace the battery (well, not without
surgery.)

I've no idea off-hand what they're using inside tho it's probably not
difficult to find out, $10 and a hammer if nothing else.

 > 
 > An Energizer 9v is rated for 8.4VDC in the very general vicinity of 500mAh.
 > 
 > > How does that compare to other factors like ambient temperature which
 > > also affects battery life but we mostly consider "in the noise"?
 > 
 > A lot.  Increasing the alert count from the 1 or 2 it probably is on most
 > smoke alarms to 2 or 3 a *week*, with LOUD analog speaker alert playback is
 > going to change that duty cycle, probably, to something like 10/90.
 > [ All numbers pulled out of my butt for illustration, but probably within
 > half an order of magnitude. ]

I don't understand what you're designing but all I was suggesting was
a smoke detector with a built in RF switch which upon hearing the
magic signal started squawking "EMERGENCY ALERT!" or similar, perhaps
with a coded word or two like "EMERGENCY TORNADO ALERT!" or perhaps a
brief suggestion to consult your favorite emergency medium immediately
(TV, radio, phone, religious text, etc.)

Or perhaps that would be understood if it ever starts squawking
"EMERGENCY ALERT!" or similar.

Some of them now just start barking "EMERGENCY! EMERGENCY! FIRE! FIRE!
GET OUT OF THE HOUSE" over and over. I hear them go off nearby fairly
regularly so that rings in my head I'm not making it up.

 > 
 > > Could we make the battery just a little more powerful? How much power
 > > would a bit of circuitry waiting for a "turn on! there's a new message
 > > coming in!" need?
 > 
 > Well, parsing for EAS on the receiver is going to make its drain non-trivial,
 > too, I think.
 > 
 > But there are "increasing the battery replacement frequency" problems *and*
 > "increasing the battery capacity and hence price, not to mention general 
 > availability" problems balancing that out.
 > 
 > Any way you play it, it has to be an optional model, not a general takeover 
 > of the field, I suspect, or the "well we just won't bother anymore" factor
 > takes over.

But none of these power problems etc applies to any of the other
proposed solutions? Phones etc? Or internet connections in general?

Meh, I'd like to hear the thoughts of a smoke detector product
engineer.

My WAG is the only major objection would be that they're already neck
deep in regulatory compliance and OMG this would add another layer of
that, new orgs to answer to, new paperwork, etc.

But so what else is new, ask marketing if it'd be worthwhile anyhow.

 > Cheers,
 > -- jra
 > -- 
 > Jay R. Ashworth  Baylink   
 > j...@baylink.com
 > Designer The Things I Think   RFC 
 > 2100
 > Ashworth & Associates   http://www.bcp38.info  2000 Land Rover 
 > DII
 > St Petersburg FL USA  BCP38: Ask For It By Name!   +1 727 647 
 > 1274

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RE: Parler

[Jerry Cloe]

They may just be a reseller, but they are claiming to be themselves (although 
I've never heard of epik until this week), the whois record seems to hit all 
the right buttons to indicate they are a registrar and dns:

 
 
$ whois parler.com | grep -i epik

[Redirected to whois.epik.com]

[Querying whois.epik.com]

[whois.epik.com]

Registrar WHOIS Server: whois.epik.com

Registrar URL: http://www.epik.com

Registrar: Epik, Inc.

Registrar Abuse Contact Email: ab...@epik.com

Name Server: NS3.EPIK.COM

Name Server: NS4.EPIK.COM

 
 
 
 
I'm not sure I agree with characterizing DNS hosting as a registrar
service. It makes sense to sell them together but they're not
classically the same thing.

Epik is also entangled with Clouthub which I hear is where Trump landed.

Regards,
Bill Herrin



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Re: Parler

[Matt Corallo]

Errr, sorry, typing on my phone. I should have included a “(and, thus, 
presumably the current DNS hosting returning dummy A records is a temporary 
thing)”. I presume they transferred the domain and set up some temporary DNS 
hosting through Epik, likely because, as someone else pointed out, it can avoid 
longer negative caching while they work on a real hosting deal.

Matt

> On Jan 14, 2021, at 00:29, William Herrin  wrote:
> 
> On Wed, Jan 13, 2021 at 9:22 PM Matt Corallo  wrote:
>> Sure, I just found it marginally comical that amazon, after making a big 
>> stink about kicking them off, is still providing them service, even if it’s 
>> one-hop indirect. That said, someone else suggested that Epik is denying 
>> that they will host the site, only providing registrar services for the 
>> domain, so it’s not as comparable as I understood it to be.
> 
> Hi Matt,
> 
> I'm not sure I agree with characterizing DNS hosting as a registrar
> service. It makes sense to sell them together but they're not
> classically the same thing.
> 
> Epik is also entangled with Clouthub which I hear is where Trump landed.
> 
> Regards,
> Bill Herrin
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> Hire me! https://bill.herrin.us/resume/

Re: Parler

[William Herrin]

On Wed, Jan 13, 2021 at 9:22 PM Matt Corallo  wrote:
> Sure, I just found it marginally comical that amazon, after making a big 
> stink about kicking them off, is still providing them service, even if it’s 
> one-hop indirect. That said, someone else suggested that Epik is denying that 
> they will host the site, only providing registrar services for the domain, so 
> it’s not as comparable as I understood it to be.

Hi Matt,

I'm not sure I agree with characterizing DNS hosting as a registrar
service. It makes sense to sell them together but they're not
classically the same thing.

Epik is also entangled with Clouthub which I hear is where Trump landed.

Regards,
Bill Herrin



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Hire me! https://bill.herrin.us/resume/

Re: Parler

[Matt Corallo]

Sure, I just found it marginally comical that amazon, after making a big stink 
about kicking them off, is still providing them service, even if it’s one-hop 
indirect. That said, someone else suggested that Epik is denying that they will 
host the site, only providing registrar services for the domain, so it’s not as 
comparable as I understood it to be.

Matt

> On Jan 14, 2021, at 00:10, William Herrin  wrote:
> 
> On Wed, Jan 13, 2021 at 9:02 PM Valdis Klētnieks
>  wrote:
>> On Wed, 13 Jan 2021 18:41:55 -0500, Matt Corallo said:
>>> parler.com.   300 IN  NS  ns4.epik.com.
>>> parler.com.   300 IN  NS  ns3.epik.com.
>>> ...
>>> ns3.epik.com. 108450  IN  A   52.55.168.70
>> 
>> It's quite possible that Amazon is playing this *entirely* by the book, and
>> the Parler crew haven't violated the terms of the nameserver hosting
>> agreement so Amazon hasn't cut that off.
> 
> No, they were hosted on Route53 back on Sunday. Now they're hosted by
> Epik which implements their own DNS servers using the AWS
> infrastructure.
> 
> Regards,
> Bill Herrin
> 
> 
> -- 
> Hire me! https://bill.herrin.us/resume/

RE: Parler

[Jerry Cloe]

I think its more probable to say that AWS didn't even know about this. As far 
as I can see, epik is just another AWS customer who spun up an instance and is 
hosting dns on that instance.  I doubt AWS is watching customers at a level 
that would detect this. But, I'm also sure that AWS has since caught wind of 
this and is watching closely. I just checked, and both listed servers are 
returning an A record for parler, although its bogus info (probably meant as a 
place holder with low TTL so no one caches an nxdomain).

 
 
 
>
> $ dig parler.com ns
> ...

> parler.com.300INNSns4.epik.com.
> parler.com.300INNSns3.epik.com.
> ...
> ns3.epik.com.108450INA52.55.168.70

It's quite possible that Amazon is playing this *entirely* by the book, and
the Parler crew haven't violated the terms of the nameserver hosting
agreement so Amazon hasn't cut that off.

Re: Parler

[William Herrin]

On Wed, Jan 13, 2021 at 9:02 PM Valdis Klētnieks
 wrote:
> On Wed, 13 Jan 2021 18:41:55 -0500, Matt Corallo said:
> > parler.com.   300 IN  NS  ns4.epik.com.
> > parler.com.   300 IN  NS  ns3.epik.com.
> > ...
> > ns3.epik.com. 108450  IN  A   52.55.168.70
>
> It's quite possible that Amazon is playing this *entirely* by the book, and
> the Parler crew haven't violated the terms of the nameserver hosting
> agreement so Amazon hasn't cut that off.

No, they were hosted on Route53 back on Sunday. Now they're hosted by
Epik which implements their own DNS servers using the AWS
infrastructure.

Regards,
Bill Herrin


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Hire me! https://bill.herrin.us/resume/

Re: Parler

[Valdis Klētnieks]

On Wed, 13 Jan 2021 18:41:55 -0500, Matt Corallo said:
> In case anyone thought Amazon was being particularly *careful* around their 
> enforcement of Parler's ban...this is from
> today on parler's new host:
>
> $ dig parler.com ns
> ...
> parler.com.   300 IN  NS  ns4.epik.com.
> parler.com.   300 IN  NS  ns3.epik.com.
> ...
> ns3.epik.com. 108450  IN  A   52.55.168.70

It's quite possible that Amazon is playing this *entirely* by the book, and
the Parler crew haven't violated the terms of the nameserver hosting
agreement so Amazon hasn't cut that off.


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Re: End-user Alert Delivery (was Re: NDAA passed: Internet and Online Streaming Services Emergency Alert Study)

[Jay R. Ashworth]

Well, it probably gets way worse: if it's a "permanent" battery, it will be
harder to find, and harder to replace...

- Original Message -
> From: "William Herrin" 
> To: "jra" 
> Cc: b...@theworld.com, nanog@nanog.org
> Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2021 11:52:47 PM
> Subject: Re: End-user Alert Delivery (was Re: NDAA passed: Internet and 
> Online Streaming Services Emergency Alert Study)

> On Wed, Jan 13, 2021 at 7:58 PM Jay R. Ashworth  wrote:
>> Last time I looked, consumer residential smoke detectors were still running
>> off 9V alkaline batteries, which are expected to run the device for 6 months
>> of 1/99 duty cycle (or less, probably *way* less).
> 
> Ordinary ionization-based smoke detectors use a 10-year lithium
> battery, which is about the same lifespan as the americium-based
> detector circuit as it begins to decay into neptunium.
> 
> You may now resume your argument over how much battery drain is too much.
> 
> Regards,
> Bill Herrin
> 
> 
> --
> Hire me! https://bill.herrin.us/resume/

-- 
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Designer The Things I Think   RFC 2100
Ashworth & Associates   http://www.bcp38.info  2000 Land Rover DII
St Petersburg FL USA  BCP38: Ask For It By Name!   +1 727 647 1274

Re: End-user Alert Delivery (was Re: NDAA passed: Internet and Online Streaming Services Emergency Alert Study)

[William Herrin]

On Wed, Jan 13, 2021 at 7:58 PM Jay R. Ashworth  wrote:
> Last time I looked, consumer residential smoke detectors were still running
> off 9V alkaline batteries, which are expected to run the device for 6 months
> of 1/99 duty cycle (or less, probably *way* less).

Ordinary ionization-based smoke detectors use a 10-year lithium
battery, which is about the same lifespan as the americium-based
detector circuit as it begins to decay into neptunium.

You may now resume your argument over how much battery drain is too much.

Regards,
Bill Herrin


-- 
Hire me! https://bill.herrin.us/resume/

Re: Parler

[Jay R. Ashworth]

- Original Message -
> From: "esr" 

> sro...@ronan-online.com :
>> 
>> When I actively hosted USENET servers, I was repeatedly warned by in-house 
>> and
>> external counsel, not to moderate which groups I hosted based on content, 
>> less
>> I become responsible for moderating all groups, shouldn’t that same principal
>> apply to platforms like AWS and Twitter?
> 
> Yes, it would.  This was an astonnishingly stupid move on AWS's part;
> I'm prett sure their counsel was not conmsulted.

Well, this oughtta be fun.

ESR is on the "yes, that is what 230 says" side, and John Levine -- with what
looked to me like good arguments and references -- is on the "no, that's 
entirely not what 230 says side.

Gentlemen: go to your corners and come out fighting!  Well, ok, disagreeing 
politely.

Cheers,
-- jra
-- 
Jay R. Ashworth  Baylink   j...@baylink.com
Designer The Things I Think   RFC 2100
Ashworth & Associates   http://www.bcp38.info  2000 Land Rover DII
St Petersburg FL USA  BCP38: Ask For It By Name!   +1 727 647 1274

Re: Parler

[Jay R. Ashworth]

- Original Message -
> From: "Jay Hennigan" 

> On 1/10/21 12:40, Matthew Petach wrote:
> 
>> There's easy solutions to the problem--hiring really good engineers
>> to write your own AWS-lookalike where you can host whatever content
>> you want, hosted in buildings you've built on land you've bought.
> 
> There's also the issue of carrying the packets from those servers to
> your audience and from your audience to those servers.

In the final analysis, genties and ladelpersons, what we're talking about
is the current shape of the Internet Death Penalty.

Just in case anyone missed that.

Cheers,
-- jra
-- 
Jay R. Ashworth  Baylink   j...@baylink.com
Designer The Things I Think   RFC 2100
Ashworth & Associates   http://www.bcp38.info  2000 Land Rover DII
St Petersburg FL USA  BCP38: Ask For It By Name!   +1 727 647 1274

Re: DoNotPay Spam?

[J. Hellenthal via NANOG]

Any chance the HTML can be turned off ? 

;-)

-- 
 J. Hellenthal

The fact that there's a highway to Hell but only a stairway to Heaven says a 
lot about anticipated traffic volume.

> On Jan 13, 2021, at 19:18, Mel Beckman  wrote:
> 
>  Tons, and we are litigating them. They are spamming most of the addresses 
> in several of our domains. 
> 
> -mel via cell
> 
>>> On Jan 13, 2021, at 2:18 PM, Mike Hammett  wrote:
>>> 
>> 
>> I have reached out to the list admins and the donotpay people and they're 
>> working on it.
>> 
>> In short, someone that uses that service reported the NANOG list as SPAM to 
>> the DoNotPay service.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>> http://www.ics-il.com
>> 
>> Midwest-IX
>> http://www.midwest-ix.com
>> 
>> From: "Robert Webb" 
>> To: "NANOG list" 
>> Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2021 4:06:15 PM
>> Subject: DoNotPay Spam?
>> 
>> Anyone else getting spam from DoNotPay everytime they send an email to the 
>> list?
>> 
>> I have not sent anything in a while until my ATT email and now I am getting 
>> this on every new email I send to the list.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> You’re almost there! Sign up once to unlock lifetime protection (and even 
>> compensation) on all spam emails.
>> 

Re: Parler

[Jay R. Ashworth]

- Original Message -
> 2. Where do we expect legit insurrections to communicate?  Should
> AWS/Facebook/Twitter boot those calling for violent uprisings in Hong Kong
> (for example).
> 
> I suppose #2 is simply one mans freedom fighter is another criminal.

https://youtu.be/isMm2vF4uFs?t=281
-- 
Jay R. Ashworth  Baylink   j...@baylink.com
Designer The Things I Think   RFC 2100
Ashworth & Associates   http://www.bcp38.info  2000 Land Rover DII
St Petersburg FL USA  BCP38: Ask For It By Name!   +1 727 647 1274

End-user Alert Delivery (was Re: NDAA passed: Internet and Online Streaming Services Emergency Alert Study)

[Jay R. Ashworth]

- Original Message -
> From: b...@theworld.com

> On January 4, 2021 at 21:19 valdis.kletni...@vt.edu (Valdis Klētnieks) wrote:
> > First, that means your smoke alarm batteries run down faster, which is
> > a major issue.
> 
> That's the sort of argument I label "all sign, no magnitude".
> 
> How much faster? If it took one minute of battery life off a 10 year
> battery would that be a problem? 30 minutes?

Well, let's address that.

Last time I looked, consumer residential smoke detectors were still running
off 9V alkaline batteries, which are expected to run the device for 6 months
of 1/99 duty cycle (or less, probably *way* less).

An Energizer 9v is rated for 8.4VDC in the very general vicinity of 500mAh.

> How does that compare to other factors like ambient temperature which
> also affects battery life but we mostly consider "in the noise"?

A lot.  Increasing the alert count from the 1 or 2 it probably is on most
smoke alarms to 2 or 3 a *week*, with LOUD analog speaker alert playback is
going to change that duty cycle, probably, to something like 10/90.
[ All numbers pulled out of my butt for illustration, but probably within
half an order of magnitude. ]

> Could we make the battery just a little more powerful? How much power
> would a bit of circuitry waiting for a "turn on! there's a new message
> coming in!" need?

Well, parsing for EAS on the receiver is going to make its drain non-trivial,
too, I think.

But there are "increasing the battery replacement frequency" problems *and*
"increasing the battery capacity and hence price, not to mention general 
availability" problems balancing that out.

Any way you play it, it has to be an optional model, not a general takeover 
of the field, I suspect, or the "well we just won't bother anymore" factor
takes over.

Cheers,
-- jra
-- 
Jay R. Ashworth  Baylink   j...@baylink.com
Designer The Things I Think   RFC 2100
Ashworth & Associates   http://www.bcp38.info  2000 Land Rover DII
St Petersburg FL USA  BCP38: Ask For It By Name!   +1 727 647 1274

Re: [External] Re: Parler

[Matt Corallo]

Ah! I admit I haven't been following the latest in drama-land too closely. I was still under the impression they had a 
full hosting deal. Guess it'll be interesting to see where they land.


Matt

On 1/13/21 9:08 PM, Hunter Fuller wrote:

I see your point, but I am not sure running the authoritative name
servers for a site meets the popular definition of "hosting" them.
Epik is currently denying that they are going to host Parler in a
traditional sense, though they are the registrar for parler.com. since
a couple of days ago.

Of course, Amazon could ding Epik for being Parler's registrar, but
that would truly be a reach, since they aren't Parler's Web host.

--
Hunter Fuller (they)
Router Jockey
VBH Annex B-5
+1 256 824 5331

Office of Information Technology
The University of Alabama in Huntsville
Network Engineering

On Wed, Jan 13, 2021 at 5:42 PM Matt Corallo  wrote:


In case anyone thought Amazon was being particularly *careful* around their 
enforcement of Parler's ban...this is from
today on parler's new host:

$ dig parler.com ns
...
parler.com. 300 IN  NS  ns4.epik.com.
parler.com. 300 IN  NS  ns3.epik.com.
...
ns3.epik.com.   108450  IN  A   52.55.168.70

$ whois 52.55.168.70
...
OrgName:Amazon Technologies Inc.

and for the curious, ns4.epik.com is hosted by an Epik sub, but from a cursory 
glance appears to be single-homed to
CDN77, which is vaguely surprising to me.

Matt

On 1/10/21 3:23 AM, William Herrin wrote:

Anybody looking for a new customer opportunity? It seems Parler is in
search of a new service provider. Vendors need only provide all the
proprietary AWS APIs that Parler depends upon to function.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2021/01/09/amazon-parler-suspension/

Regards,
Bill HErrin

Re: [External] Re: Parler

[Hunter Fuller via NANOG]

I see your point, but I am not sure running the authoritative name
servers for a site meets the popular definition of "hosting" them.
Epik is currently denying that they are going to host Parler in a
traditional sense, though they are the registrar for parler.com. since
a couple of days ago.

Of course, Amazon could ding Epik for being Parler's registrar, but
that would truly be a reach, since they aren't Parler's Web host.

--
Hunter Fuller (they)
Router Jockey
VBH Annex B-5
+1 256 824 5331

Office of Information Technology
The University of Alabama in Huntsville
Network Engineering

On Wed, Jan 13, 2021 at 5:42 PM Matt Corallo  wrote:
>
> In case anyone thought Amazon was being particularly *careful* around their 
> enforcement of Parler's ban...this is from
> today on parler's new host:
>
> $ dig parler.com ns
> ...
> parler.com. 300 IN  NS  ns4.epik.com.
> parler.com. 300 IN  NS  ns3.epik.com.
> ...
> ns3.epik.com.   108450  IN  A   52.55.168.70
>
> $ whois 52.55.168.70
> ...
> OrgName:Amazon Technologies Inc.
>
> and for the curious, ns4.epik.com is hosted by an Epik sub, but from a 
> cursory glance appears to be single-homed to
> CDN77, which is vaguely surprising to me.
>
> Matt
>
> On 1/10/21 3:23 AM, William Herrin wrote:
> > Anybody looking for a new customer opportunity? It seems Parler is in
> > search of a new service provider. Vendors need only provide all the
> > proprietary AWS APIs that Parler depends upon to function.
> >
> > https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2021/01/09/amazon-parler-suspension/
> >
> > Regards,
> > Bill HErrin
> >

Re: DoNotPay Spam?

[Mel Beckman]

DoNotPay is a spammer and by all accounts a scammer too. They violate the US 
CAN SPAM Act by not including a clear opt-out mechanism (their Manage 
Preferences link leads to an “unsubscribe” form that in reality signs people up 
to your service!) I’ve also repeatedly ask that they unsubscribe all the emails 
in our domains, and they repeatedly claim, falsely, that we ever mentioned any 
other emails.

They don’t tell the truth, and the company is highly deceptive. As an ISP we 
can file a claim for damages, which I’m doing.

-mel via cell

On Jan 13, 2021, at 5:15 PM, Mel Beckman  wrote:

 Tons, and we are litigating them. They are spamming most of the addresses in 
several of our domains.

-mel via cell

On Jan 13, 2021, at 2:18 PM, Mike Hammett  wrote:


I have reached out to the list admins and the donotpay people and they're 
working on it.

In short, someone that uses that service reported the NANOG list as SPAM to the 
DoNotPay service.



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com

Midwest-IX
http://www.midwest-ix.com


From: "Robert Webb" 
To: "NANOG list" 
Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2021 4:06:15 PM
Subject: DoNotPay Spam?

Anyone else getting spam from DoNotPay everytime they send an email to the list?

I have not sent anything in a while until my ATT email and now I am getting 
this on every new email I send to the list.

[Alternate text]


You’re almost there! Sign up once to unlock lifetime protection (and even 
compensation) on all spam emails.

Re: DoNotPay Spam?

[Mel Beckman]

Tons, and we are litigating them. They are spamming most of the addresses in 
several of our domains.

-mel via cell

On Jan 13, 2021, at 2:18 PM, Mike Hammett  wrote:


I have reached out to the list admins and the donotpay people and they're 
working on it.

In short, someone that uses that service reported the NANOG list as SPAM to the 
DoNotPay service.



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com

Midwest-IX
http://www.midwest-ix.com


From: "Robert Webb" 
To: "NANOG list" 
Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2021 4:06:15 PM
Subject: DoNotPay Spam?

Anyone else getting spam from DoNotPay everytime they send an email to the list?

I have not sent anything in a while until my ATT email and now I am getting 
this on every new email I send to the list.

[Alternate text]


You’re almost there! Sign up once to unlock lifetime protection (and even 
compensation) on all spam emails.

Re: DoNotPay Spam?

[Rich Kulawiec]

On Wed, Jan 13, 2021 at 05:06:15PM -0500, Robert Webb wrote:
> Anyone else getting spam from DoNotPay everytime they send an email to the
> list?

This is solvable by permanently blocking all traffic from Mailgun in
your MTA.  This should be a good start and may suffice:

mailgun.info
mailgun.net
mailgun.org
mailgun.us

---rsk

Re: DoNotPay Spam?

[Ben Cannon]

FYI geek team I received it too.

Ms. Lady Benjamin PD Cannon, ASCE
6x7 Networks & 6x7 Telecom, LLC 
CEO 
b...@6by7.net
"The only fully end-to-end encrypted global telecommunications company in the 
world.”

FCC License KJ6FJJ

Sent from my iPhone via RFC1149.

> On Jan 13, 2021, at 4:28 PM, Sabri Berisha  wrote:
> 
> - On Jan 13, 2021, at 2:22 PM, Bryan Fields br...@bryanfields.net wrote:
> 
> Hi Bryan,
> 
>> What you can do is when you notice these, email geeks@nanog with the full
>> email including headers immediately.  We can then cross check it against new
>> signups.  I wish there was a more scientific way to process it.
> 
> The first time I got it, I sent this to supp...@donotpay.com:
> 
>> I received this email in, what appears to be, reply to a post I made on 
>> NANOG.
> 
>> Needless to say, I never signed up for this. I did not even know you existed.
>> Since you do add "supp...@donotpay.com" in your email, I assume this is a
>> honest mistake, and you'll be happy that I'm contacting you and will be 
>> fixing
>> it immediately.
> 
>> Obviously, further unsolicited emails will result in ... a different approach
>> taken.
> 
> A few days later, I got the same again, and contacted their hosting provider,
> Mailgun (while CCing supp...@donotpay.com), with the following:
> 
>> I've received, multiple times, email such as below after posting to the North
>> American Network Operators Group (NANOG) email list. I've tried contacting
>> supp...@donotpay.com (ticket #13202), but they seem oblivious to the issue
>> and asked me to unsubscribe.
> 
>> Please educate your customer. Alternatively, I will contact Amazon, who seem
>> to advertise your IP space.
> 
>> 161.38.200.0/22*[BGP/170] 00:51:18, localpref 150
>>   AS path: 53356 60011 3356 16509 I, validation-state: 
>> unverified
>>> to 195.16.87.249 via ge-0/0/6.0
> 
>> Headers are as follows:
> 
> [snip]
> 
> I did not even get a reply on that. So, as promised, the third time I was
> spammed, I took the liberty of contacting AWS. They responded with:
> 
>> This is a follow up regarding the abusive content or activity report that you
>> submitted to AWS. We have investigated this report, and have taken steps to
>> mitigate the reported abusive content or activity.
> 
> But of course, nothing changed.
> 
> This goes a lot further than someone accidentally subscribing. So, it seems
> that there are few options other than to simply block mail from that /22. 
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Sabri

Looking for alternate providers

[james jones]

Greetings,

Looking for upstream alternatives in Ayer, MA (01432). Need a gigabit link.
Can be async but needs to be at least 35Mb up.

Comcast need not apply.

-James

Re: DoNotPay Spam?

[Sabri Berisha]

- On Jan 13, 2021, at 2:22 PM, Bryan Fields br...@bryanfields.net wrote:

Hi Bryan,

> What you can do is when you notice these, email geeks@nanog with the full
> email including headers immediately.  We can then cross check it against new
> signups.  I wish there was a more scientific way to process it.

The first time I got it, I sent this to supp...@donotpay.com:

> I received this email in, what appears to be, reply to a post I made on NANOG.

> Needless to say, I never signed up for this. I did not even know you existed.
> Since you do add "supp...@donotpay.com" in your email, I assume this is a
> honest mistake, and you'll be happy that I'm contacting you and will be fixing
> it immediately.

> Obviously, further unsolicited emails will result in ... a different approach
> taken.

A few days later, I got the same again, and contacted their hosting provider,
Mailgun (while CCing supp...@donotpay.com), with the following:

> I've received, multiple times, email such as below after posting to the North
> American Network Operators Group (NANOG) email list. I've tried contacting
> supp...@donotpay.com (ticket #13202), but they seem oblivious to the issue
> and asked me to unsubscribe.

> Please educate your customer. Alternatively, I will contact Amazon, who seem
> to advertise your IP space.

> 161.38.200.0/22*[BGP/170] 00:51:18, localpref 150
>AS path: 53356 60011 3356 16509 I, validation-state: 
> unverified
>  > to 195.16.87.249 via ge-0/0/6.0

> Headers are as follows:

[snip]

I did not even get a reply on that. So, as promised, the third time I was
spammed, I took the liberty of contacting AWS. They responded with:

> This is a follow up regarding the abusive content or activity report that you
> submitted to AWS. We have investigated this report, and have taken steps to
> mitigate the reported abusive content or activity.

But of course, nothing changed.

This goes a lot further than someone accidentally subscribing. So, it seems
that there are few options other than to simply block mail from that /22. 

Thanks,

Sabri

Re: Parler

[Matt Corallo]

In case anyone thought Amazon was being particularly *careful* around their enforcement of Parler's ban...this is from 
today on parler's new host:


$ dig parler.com ns
...
parler.com. 300 IN  NS  ns4.epik.com.
parler.com. 300 IN  NS  ns3.epik.com.
...
ns3.epik.com.   108450  IN  A   52.55.168.70

$ whois 52.55.168.70
...
OrgName:Amazon Technologies Inc.

and for the curious, ns4.epik.com is hosted by an Epik sub, but from a cursory glance appears to be single-homed to 
CDN77, which is vaguely surprising to me.


Matt

On 1/10/21 3:23 AM, William Herrin wrote:

Anybody looking for a new customer opportunity? It seems Parler is in
search of a new service provider. Vendors need only provide all the
proprietary AWS APIs that Parler depends upon to function.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2021/01/09/amazon-parler-suspension/

Regards,
Bill HErrin

Re Parler

[Jeff P]

ICYMI: Amazon's response to Parler Antitrust relief:

https://cdn.pacermonitor.com/pdfserver/LHNWTAI/137249864/Parler_LLC_v_Amazon_Web_Services_Inc__wawdce-21-00031__0010.0.pdf

JeffP
je...@jeffp.us

RE: ATT Outage in South Florida?

[Van Treese, Jon]

Yes and I see multiple customers reporting issues with AT in South Florida.


From: NANOG  On Behalf Of 
Robert Webb
Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2021 2:50 PM
To: NANOG list 
Subject: ATT Outage in South Florida?

Getting complaints from internet and wireless users of no data or voice access.

Anyone down that way having the same experience?

Re: Parler

[Bryan Holloway]

There's a pretty big difference between imparting knowledge and inciting 
violence.


#redherring

Disclaimer: I own this book.


On 1/12/21 6:40 PM, Andy Ringsmuth wrote:

And yet, Amazon will still happily sell you this item:

https://www.amazon.com/Anarchist-Cookbook-William-Powell/dp/1607966123/

In fact, it is listed as:  #1 Best Seller in Anarchism




Andy Ringsmuth
5609 Harding Drive
Lincoln, NE 68521-5831
(402) 304-0083
a...@andyring.com

“Better even die free, than to live slaves.” - Frederick Douglas, 1863


On Jan 12, 2021, at 10:36 AM, Paul Timmins  wrote:

"You have to let your customer's services contain death threats against the owner of 
your company or we'll blacklist you" is the wildest take of 2021 yet.

Blocking Amazon because of who they allow to remain a customer is something I 
wholeheartedly encourage my competitors to do.

On 1/12/21 9:29 AM, Kevin McCormick wrote:

Imagine if Tier 1 ISPs had a censorship free clause that required companies 
like Twitter, Facebook, and Amazon to provide services free of censorship or 
have IP blocks blackholed. They would lose hundreds of millions of dollars per 
day. I bet they would reverse their tone in a hurry.

https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/idaho-internet-provider-to-block-facebook-twitter-over-their-trump-bans/
  
Thank you,


Kevin McCormick
  
From: NANOG  On Behalf Of mark seery

Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2021 8:06 PM
To: K. Scott Helms 
Cc: NANOG Operators' Group 
Subject: Re: Parler
  
I assume multiple networks/ ISPs that have acceptable use policies that call out criminality and incitement to violence, for example:
  
https://www.xfinity.com/support/articles/comcast-acceptable-use-policy
  
Have these AUPs been invoked previously for these reasons, or would that be new territory?


Sent from Mobile Device


On Jan 10, 2021, at 2:52 PM, K. Scott Helms  wrote:


Right, it's not a list for content hosting.
  
Scott Helms
  
On Sun, Jan 10, 2021, 5:42 PM  wrote:

No, this is a list for Network Operators.

Sent from my iPhone


On Jan 10, 2021, at 5:32 PM, K. Scott Helms  wrote:


This is a list for pushing bits.  The fact that many/most of us have other 
businesses doesn't make this an appropriate forum for SIP issues (to use my own 
work as an example).
  
On Sun, Jan 10, 2021, 4:52 PM  wrote:

This is a list for Network Operators, AWS certainly operates networks.

Sent from my iPhone


On Jan 10, 2021, at 4:27 PM, K. Scott Helms  wrote:


No,
  
It really does not.  Section 230 only applies to publishers, and not to network providers.  If this were a cloud hosting provider list then you'd be correct, but as a network provider's list it does not belong here.



Scott Helms

  
  
On Sun, Jan 10, 2021 at 3:21 PM Lady Benjamin PD Cannon  wrote:

As network operations and compute/cloud/hosting operations continue to 
coalesce, I very much disagree with you.  Section 230 is absolutely relevant, 
this discussion is timely and relevant, and it directly affects me as both a 
telecom and cloud compute/services provider.
  
  
—L.B.
  
Lady Benjamin PD Cannon, ASCE

6x7 Networks & 6x7 Telecom, LLC
CEO
b...@6by7.net
"The only fully end-to-end encrypted global telecommunications company in the 
world.”
FCC License KJ6FJJ






On Jan 10, 2021, at 12:13 PM, K. Scott Helms  wrote:
  
It's not, and frankly it's disappointing to see people pushing an agenda here.



Scott Helms


On Sun, Jan 10, 2021 at 9:37 AM  wrote:


NANOG is a group of Operators, discussion does not have to be about networking. 
I have already explained how this represents a significant issue for Network 
Operators.

On Jan 10, 2021, at 9:09 AM, Mike Bolitho  wrote:


It has nothing to do with networking. Their decision was necessarily political. 
If you can specifically bring up an issue, beyond speculative, on how their new 
chosen CDN is somehow now causing congestion or routing issues on the public 
internet, then great. But as of now, that isn't even a thing. It's just best to 
leave it alone because it will devolve into chaos.

- Mike Bolitho

On Sun, Jan 10, 2021, 6:54 AM  wrote:


Why? This is extremely relevant to network operators and is not political at 
all.

On Jan 10, 2021, at 8:51 AM, Mike Bolitho  wrote:


Can we please not go down this rabbit hole on here? List admins?

- Mike Bolitho

On Sun, Jan 10, 2021, 1:26 AM William Herrin  wrote:


Anybody looking for a new customer opportunity? It seems Parler is in
search of a new service provider. Vendors need only provide all the
proprietary AWS APIs that Parler depends upon to function.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2021/01/09/amazon-parler-suspension/

Regards,
Bill HErrin

Re: Uganda Communications Commission shutdown order

[Andy Ringsmuth]

> On Jan 13, 2021, at 3:39 PM, Alejandro Acosta 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> On 13/1/21 4:05 PM, Sean Donelan wrote:
>> 
>> The Uganda Communications Commission has issued a shutdown order for the 
>> operation of all Internet gateways in Uganda beginning January 13, 2021 
>> until further notice.
>> 
>> I can't access the official Uganda Communications Commission website, but 
>> this appears to be a copy of the order
>> 
>> https://twitter.com/DougColtart/status/1349442878481846272/photo/1
>> 
> 
> So sad to read this. How is it possible to think this is good to anybody?.., 
> ok, maybe to the very high politicians of the country, but no one else. Not 
> less than 44 million people negative affected.
> 
> 
> That's it.
> 
> 
> Alejandro,

It is mildly interesting to see what Twitter itself has to say about it:

https://twitter.com/Policy/status/1349059275461685250

"Ahead of the Ugandan election, we're hearing reports that Internet service 
providers are being ordered to block social media and messaging apps.
 
We strongly condemn internet shutdowns – they are hugely harmful, violate basic 
human rights and the principles of the #OpenInternet.”


Oh, the jokes just write themselves…


-Andy

Re: DoNotPay Spam?

[Bryan Fields]

On 1/13/21 5:06 PM, Robert Webb wrote:
> Anyone else getting spam from DoNotPay everytime they send an email to the
> list?
> 
> I have not sent anything in a while until my ATT email and now I am getting
> this on every new email I send to the list.

yup, I've spent a few hours to gleam who might be the source of it.  It's
almost impossible to trace as they have the email subscribed as a normal user,
and then harvest the sender address and send it from a totally different spam
server.

What you can do is when you notice these, email geeks@nanog with the full
email including headers immediately.  We can then cross check it against new
signups.  I wish there was a more scientific way to process it.

Thanks,
-- 
Bryan Fields

727-409-1194 - Voice
http://bryanfields.net

Re: DoNotPay Spam?

[Brielle]

On 1/13/2021 3:12 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:
I have reached out to the list admins and the donotpay people and 
they're working on it.


In short, someone that uses that service reported the NANOG list as SPAM 
to the DoNotPay service.



Wow, someone needs to be whacked upside the head pretty hard for that.

I actually DM'd with their CEO guy (I think it was) on Twitter a week or 
so ago about their unsubscribe process that didn't seem to work right. 
Worthwhile for anyone having issues with their service to reach out on 
Twitter.



--
Brielle Bruns
The Summit Open Source Development Group
http://www.sosdg.org/ http://www.ahbl.org

AWS Hosts spammers Re: DoNotPay Spam?

[Sabri Berisha]

Hi, 

Yep. I complained to their support. Then I complaint to their "mail provider" 
Mailgun. When that proved useless, I complaint to AWS who hosts Mailgun. AWS 
replied and said they would get in touch with Mailgun. 

We'll see whether or not Mailgun gets the Parler treatment. 

Thanks, 

Sabri 

- On Jan 13, 2021, at 2:06 PM, Robert Webb  wrote: 

> Anyone else getting spam from DoNotPay everytime they send an email to the 
> list?

> I have not sent anything in a while until my ATT email and now I am getting 
> this
> on every new email I send to the list.




> You’re almost there! Sign up once to unlock lifetime protection (and even
> compensation) on all spam emails.

Re: DoNotPay Spam?

[Mike Hammett]

I have reached out to the list admins and the donotpay people and they're 
working on it. 


In short, someone that uses that service reported the NANOG list as SPAM to the 
DoNotPay service. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 

Midwest-IX 
http://www.midwest-ix.com 

- Original Message -

From: "Robert Webb"  
To: "NANOG list"  
Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2021 4:06:15 PM 
Subject: DoNotPay Spam? 



Anyone else getting spam from DoNotPay everytime they send an email to the 
list? 


I have not sent anything in a while until my ATT email and now I am getting 
this on every new email I send to the list. 









Alternate text

















You’re almost there! Sign up once to unlock lifetime protection (and even 
compensation) on all spam emails. 

Re: DoNotPay Spam?

[Michael Thomas]

oh is that where it's coming from. yes. my filter now zaps it.

Mike

On 1/13/21 2:06 PM, Robert Webb wrote:
Anyone else getting spam from DoNotPay everytime they send an email to 
the list?


I have not sent anything in a while until my ATT email and now I am 
getting this on every new email I send to the list.


Alternate text

**


*You’re almost there! Sign up once to unlock lifetime protection (and 
even compensation) on all spam emails. *

DoNotPay Spam?

[Robert Webb]

Anyone else getting spam from DoNotPay everytime they send an email to the
list?

I have not sent anything in a while until my ATT email and now I am getting
this on every new email I send to the list.

[image: Alternate text]


*You’re almost there! Sign up once to unlock lifetime protection (and even
compensation) on all spam emails. *

Re: ATT Outage in South Florida?

[Mauricio Rodriguez via NANOG]

Major outage, affecting everyone I know down here that has ATT Internet or
Mobile.  Still down at this point.

Downdetector reports the start as of 3:46pm today.  It also looks like
people are using their hotspots, and therefore congesting other operator's
mobile networks.

Best Regards,

Mauricio Rodriguez

Founder / Owner

Fletnet Network Engineering (www.fletnet.com)

mauricio.rodrig...@fletnet.com

Office: +1 786-309-1082

Direct: +1 786-309-5493



On Wed, Jan 13, 2021 at 4:52 PM Robert Webb  wrote:

> Getting complaints from internet and wireless users of no data or voice
> access.
>
> Anyone down that way having the same experience?
>

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Re: ATT Outage in South Florida?

[Robert Webb]

Thanks for the confirmation..

On Wed, Jan 13, 2021 at 4:54 PM Van Treese, Jon 
wrote:

> Yes and I see multiple customers reporting issues with AT in South
> Florida.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* NANOG  *On Behalf
> Of *Robert Webb
> *Sent:* Wednesday, January 13, 2021 2:50 PM
> *To:* NANOG list 
> *Subject:* ATT Outage in South Florida?
>
>
>
> Getting complaints from internet and wireless users of no data or voice
> access.
>
>
>
> Anyone down that way having the same experience?
>

ATT Outage in South Florida?

[Robert Webb]

Getting complaints from internet and wireless users of no data or voice
access.

Anyone down that way having the same experience?

Re: Uganda Communications Commission shutdown order

[Alejandro Acosta]

On 13/1/21 4:05 PM, Sean Donelan wrote:


The Uganda Communications Commission has issued a shutdown order for 
the operation of all Internet gateways in Uganda beginning January 13, 
2021 until further notice.


I can't access the official Uganda Communications Commission website, 
but this appears to be a copy of the order


https://twitter.com/DougColtart/status/1349442878481846272/photo/1



So sad to read this. How is it possible to think this is good to 
anybody?.., ok, maybe to the very high politicians of the country, but 
no one else. Not less than 44 million people negative affected.



That's it.


Alejandro,

Re: Uganda Communications Commission shutdown order

[surfer]

On 1/13/21 10:05 AM, Sean Donelan wrote:


The Uganda Communications Commission has issued a shutdown order for 
the operation of all Internet gateways in Uganda beginning January 13, 
2021 until further notice.


I can't access the official Uganda Communications Commission website, 
but this appears to be a copy of the order


https://twitter.com/DougColtart/status/1349442878481846272/photo/ 

--



It's probably just until a short-ish period after their elections. The 
guy who has been in power for the past 35 years wants to make sure he 
"wins" again.


scott


https://netblocks.org/reports/social-media-and-messaging-platforms-restricted-in-uganda-ahead-of-general-election-XB7aaO87

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-55640405

Uganda Communications Commission shutdown order

[Sean Donelan]

The Uganda Communications Commission has issued a shutdown order for the 
operation of all Internet gateways in Uganda beginning January 13, 2021 
until further notice.


I can't access the official Uganda Communications Commission website, but 
this appears to be a copy of the order


https://twitter.com/DougColtart/status/1349442878481846272/photo/1

Re: DMVPN via Internet or Private APN

[Joel M Snyder]

I offer a question to help me settle an internal debate. As a network
engineer for a large enterprise, do you choose ISP flexibility or ISP
security when you build an OOB network? 


Flexibility.  (will not joke about immense problem of including the 
words "ISP" and "security" in same sentence, unless accompanied by the 
phrase "complete and total absence of" as well)


My particular area of concentration the last decade or so has been large 
multi-national WANs.  I've been fortunate enough to see entire waves of 
deployment and redeployment, which has added a thick layer of scarring.


One of the lessons that I take away from these deployments is that 
anything which is not pure "Internet" IP must be avoided, because if it 
doesn't bite you in the *ss on day 1, it will on day 1,000 or 10,000.


Providers love to deliver a customized service, and in small deployments 
(such as connecting offices within a metropolitan area) I can see the 
value.  But whether the provider is creating lock-in (sinister 
conspiracy theory) or just wants to give you a better service 
(optimistic world view theory), it *always* ends up being a problem 
sooner or later.


I can pull a dozen anecdotes out where this happened and cost between $ 
and  to deal with, but my long-term experience is that the more 
vanilla the pipe, the better off you will be in the long run especially 
as the clock ticks past years and years.


There are certainly issues with having multiple contracts, and the 
overhead of handling hundreds of semi-overlapping and slightly different 
bills and contact points is not to be dismissed lightly; it is a BIG 
deal especially for larger organizations with high internal costs for 
administrative overhead.  Providers also claim better pricing on big 
contracts, but rarely is this true, because of the sharp and continuous 
drop in costs for Internet worldwide.


Go with vanilla.  It's easier to pour syrup and nuts on top than it is 
to dig out those disgusting frozen marshmallow chunks from the rocky 
road someone committed to.



jms

--
Joel M Snyder, 1404 East Lind Road, Tucson, AZ, 85719
Senior Partner, Opus One   Phone: +1 520 324 0494
j...@opus1.comhttp://www.opus1.com/jms

Loss from USA to Singapore

[nanoguser99 via NANOG]

Reporting packet loss getting from US to Singapore. Our prefix is being 
announced by AS 7473. The problem appears to be with transport to the US 
through STIX.

Anyone else experiencing these issues? Are there other transit providers that 
do not use STIX?

Sent with [ProtonMail](https://protonmail.com) Secure Email.

Re: Unimus Network Automation https://unimus.net/

[Mel Beckman]

We’ve been using it for about a year, mostly for Cisco, but it also is one of 
the few commercial products that can back up Sonicwall firewalls. The design is 
well considered, with minimal chattiness in daily reports, so unexpected 
changes are quite apparent.

 -mel beckman

On Jan 13, 2021, at 6:54 AM, Mike Hammett  wrote:


*nods* I have used it on RouterOS, ExtremeWare, ExtremeXOS, Cisco-Nexus, 
Cisco-IOS, Foundry, Brocade, UniFi, AirOS (AirFiber and AirMax), and likely 
some others I've forgotten.



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com

Midwest-IX
http://www.midwest-ix.com


From: "Josh Luthman" 
To: "Jason Kuehl" 
Cc: "Mike Hammett" , "NANOG" 
Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2021 8:46:35 AM
Subject: Re: Unimus Network Automation https://unimus.net/

I've been using Unimus for almost as long as Mike.  Met Tomas at a show in 
Vegas, very smart guy.

I use it exclusively for Mikrotik but I can safely assume if they made it work 
with Mikrotik there would be no problem on Cisco/Juniper (more uniform).

Josh Luthman
24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373


On Wed, Jan 13, 2021 at 8:49 AM Jason Kuehl 
mailto:jason.w.ku...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Sorry, RANCID is open source.  rConfig  is not.

On Wed, Jan 13, 2021 at 8:46 AM Jason Kuehl 
mailto:jason.w.ku...@gmail.com>> wrote:
unimus is great I've used it for simple sites. rConfig is better as there is no 
licensing and open source. It's more involved at setting up but worth it.

On Wed, Jan 13, 2021 at 8:20 AM Mike Hammett 
mailto:na...@ics-il.net>> wrote:
I've been using Unimus since before 0.3.0 (as I see it contains a number of 
additions I would have contributed).

Great product.

They are very responsive to feature requests.

They have been very responsive to the few support requests I've had.

Very cost effective.

Very easy to install and update.



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com

Midwest-IX
http://www.midwest-ix.com


From: "James Braunegg" 
mailto:james.braun...@micron21.com>>
To: nanog@nanog.org
Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2021 12:38:53 AM
Subject: Unimus Network Automation https://unimus.net/

Dear All

Anyone using Unimus for Network Automation ? https://unimus.net/

i.e. mass configuration / push / pull configurations looking for something more 
powerful than rconfig for a Cisco Nexus and Juniper environment.

And or happy with any other suggestions

Kindest Regards

James Braunegg
[cid:image001.png@01D280A4.01865B60]
1300 769 972 / 0488 997 207
ja...@micron21.com
www.micron21.com/
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Re: Nashville

[Javier J]

Is there a video of this? I would also love to see pictures of what the
damage was inside the building and repairs. Not sure if that was documented
anywhere. I would assume they are still doing repairs and upgrades to the
facility.

On Tue, Dec 29, 2020 at 8:18 PM Robert DeVita 
wrote:

> AT Disaster Recovery Team is probably the best in the business. The
> resources they can bring to the table are unmatched. This would have been
> 100x worse if it hit a carrier neutral datacenter. They don’t have nearly
> the same resources to restore something like this. They usually do a road
> show (pre Covid). If you get a chance it’s definitely something you should
> go check out. Very impressive.
>
> Robert DeVita
> Founder & CEO
> Mejeticks
> c. 469-441-8864
> e. radev...@mejeticks.com
> --
> *From:* NANOG  on behalf
> of Eric Kuhnke 
> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 29, 2020 5:06:00 PM
> *To:* Sean Donelan 
> *Cc:* NANOG 
> *Subject:* Re: Nashville
>
> From a few days ago. Obviously centralizing lots of ss7/pstn stuff all in
> one place has a long recovery time when it's physically damaged. Something
> to think about for entities that own and operate traditional telco COs and
> their plans for disaster recovery.
>
>
> Nv1
>
> Here is the latest update:  6:46AM 12/27:
>
> Work continues restoring service to the CRS routers in the Nashville
> Central Office. One router remains out of service and the other is in
> service with some links remaining out of service.
>
> The working bridge will reconvene at 08:00 CT with the following action
> plan:
> Additional cabling added to the first portable generator to enable full
> load capabilities (08:00 CT)
> Pigtails with camlocks installed for easy swap; investigate possibility to
> land generator on the emergency service board to give the site N+1 with a
> manual ability to choose anyone. (08:00 CT)
> check small power plants on floors 4 and 6 (08:00 CT)
> Investigate water damage on 1st floor and energize if safe (08:00 CT
> Air handlers for floors 4,5 and 6 (09:00 CT)
> complete all transport work
> Turn up SS7
> Turn up 911 service - Approximately noon or after)
> Turn up switching service.
> TDM Switching team will reconvene at 09:00 CT and the Signaling team will
> reconvene at 11:00 CT on 12/27/2020.
> DMS equipment on the 1st floor will be assessed for water damage.
> Switching teams will monitor power and HVAC restoration and will begin
> switch restoration as soon as the go ahead is provided by the power team.
>
> Recovery Priorities:
> 1. 4th & 5th floors (Specify transport equipment needed to clear MTSO SS7
> isolation & Datakit needed for Local Switch restoration). Transport SMEs
> currently working to turn up transport equipment
> 2. 6th floor (ESINET Groomers)
> 3. 10th and 8th floors (N4E) – Trunks
> 4. 1st floor (DMS: DS1, 5E: DS3) - Local POTS
> 5. 1st floor (DMS: DS0, DS2 | 5E: DS6) – Trunks
> 6. 11th floor (DMS: 01T) – Trunks
> 7. 4th floor (STP and SCP with mates up in Donelson)
>
> The next update will be issued at approximately 09:00 CT on December 27.
>
>
>
> Nv2
>
> As of 09:00 CT: Teams worked through the night to restore service and
> improve conditions at the Nashville 2nd Ave Central Office. Since the
> initial service impact, over 75% of the Out of Service Mobility Sites have
> been restored. Certain call flows may be limited and should improve as
> additional restoration activities complete.
> The generator that is currently powering equipment on the 2nd and 3rd
> floor, was refueled and ran with no issues through the night. Overnight,
> the batteries connected to it, continued to charge. Teams have placed
> additional power cables, which once connected, will allow the working
> generator, to better handle the load in the building. In order to
> accomplish this, the generator will need to be shut down for 15-30 minutes
> this morning, so teams can connect the new cables to the system. The power
> team reports they are still on target to restore power and cooling to the
> 5th and 6th floor by approximately 12:00 CT. Also, a portable chiller will
> be delivered this morning and strategically placed, in case it is needed to
> assist in cooling the office.
> There is a Call Center at 333 Commerce, in Nashville that does not have
> network or phone services available. Corporate Real Estate (CRE) reports
> there is some damage to that office, but the extent of the damage will not
> be known until they can gain access to the site. Because of this, the
> impacted Call Center ceased operations until further notice.
> DMS switching equipment on the 1st floor will be assessed for water
> damage. Switching teams will monitor power and HVAC restoration. Equipment
> power ups will begin, as soon as the go ahead is provided by the power
> team.
> Two SatCOLTs remain positioned on the East and West sides of the NSVLTNMT
> Central Office providing critical communication for teams working
> restoration efforts. There are 17 assets 

Re: Unimus Network Automation https://unimus.net/

[Mike Hammett]

*nods* I have used it on RouterOS, ExtremeWare, ExtremeXOS, Cisco-Nexus, 
Cisco-IOS, Foundry, Brocade, UniFi, AirOS (AirFiber and AirMax), and likely 
some others I've forgotten. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 

Midwest-IX 
http://www.midwest-ix.com 

- Original Message -

From: "Josh Luthman"  
To: "Jason Kuehl"  
Cc: "Mike Hammett" , "NANOG"  
Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2021 8:46:35 AM 
Subject: Re: Unimus Network Automation https://unimus.net/ 


I've been using Unimus for almost as long as Mike. Met Tomas at a show in 
Vegas, very smart guy. 


I use it exclusively for Mikrotik but I can safely assume if they made it work 
with Mikrotik there would be no problem on Cisco/Juniper (more uniform). 





Josh Luthman 
24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St 
Suite 1337 
Troy, OH 45373 



On Wed, Jan 13, 2021 at 8:49 AM Jason Kuehl < jason.w.ku...@gmail.com > wrote: 



Sorry, RANCID is open source. rConfig is not. 


On Wed, Jan 13, 2021 at 8:46 AM Jason Kuehl < jason.w.ku...@gmail.com > wrote: 



unimus is great I've used it for simple sites. rConfig is better as there is no 
licensing and open source. It's more involved at setting up but worth it. 



On Wed, Jan 13, 2021 at 8:20 AM Mike Hammett < na...@ics-il.net > wrote: 




I've been using Unimus since before 0.3.0 (as I see it contains a number of 
additions I would have contributed). 


Great product. 

They are very responsive to feature requests. 


They have been very responsive to the few support requests I've had. 


Very cost effective. 


Very easy to install and update. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 

Midwest-IX 
http://www.midwest-ix.com 



From: "James Braunegg" < james.braun...@micron21.com > 
To: nanog@nanog.org 
Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2021 12:38:53 AM 
Subject: Unimus Network Automation https://unimus.net/ 



Dear All 

Anyone using Unimus for Network Automation ? https://unimus.net/ 

i.e. mass configuration / push / pull configurations looking for something more 
powerful than rconfig for a Cisco Nexus and Juniper environment. 

And or happy with any other suggestions 

Kindest Regards 




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Re: Unimus Network Automation https://unimus.net/

[Josh Luthman]

I've been using Unimus for almost as long as Mike.  Met Tomas at a show in
Vegas, very smart guy.

I use it exclusively for Mikrotik but I can safely assume if they made it
work with Mikrotik there would be no problem on Cisco/Juniper (more
uniform).

Josh Luthman
24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373


On Wed, Jan 13, 2021 at 8:49 AM Jason Kuehl  wrote:

> Sorry, RANCID is open source.  rConfig  is not.
>
> On Wed, Jan 13, 2021 at 8:46 AM Jason Kuehl 
> wrote:
>
>> unimus is great I've used it for simple sites. rConfig is better as
>> there is no licensing and open source. It's more involved at setting up but
>> worth it.
>>
>> On Wed, Jan 13, 2021 at 8:20 AM Mike Hammett  wrote:
>>
>>> I've been using Unimus since before 0.3.0 (as I see it contains a number
>>> of additions I would have contributed).
>>>
>>> Great product.
>>>
>>> They are very responsive to feature requests.
>>>
>>> They have been very responsive to the few support requests I've had.
>>>
>>> Very cost effective.
>>>
>>> Very easy to install and update.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -
>>> Mike Hammett
>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>>> http://www.ics-il.com
>>>
>>> Midwest-IX
>>> http://www.midwest-ix.com
>>>
>>> --
>>> *From: *"James Braunegg" 
>>> *To: *nanog@nanog.org
>>> *Sent: *Wednesday, January 13, 2021 12:38:53 AM
>>> *Subject: *Unimus Network Automation https://unimus.net/
>>>
>>> Dear All
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Anyone using Unimus for Network Automation ? https://unimus.net/
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> i.e. mass configuration / push / pull configurations looking for
>>> something more powerful than rconfig for a Cisco Nexus and Juniper
>>> environment.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> And or happy with any other suggestions
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Kindest Regards
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *James Braunegg*
>>>
>>> [image: cid:image001.png@01D280A4.01865B60]
>>>
>>> 1300 769 972 / 0488 997 207 <1300%20769%20972>
>>>
>>> *ja...@micron21.com *
>>>
>>> www.micron21.com/
>>>
>>> [image: cid:image002.png@01D280A4.01865B60] 
>>>
>>> [image: cid:image003.png@01D280A4.01865B60]
>>> 
>>>
>>> [image: cid:image004.png@01D280A4.01865B60]
>>> 
>>>
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Re: Unimus Network Automation https://unimus.net/

[Jason Kuehl]

Sorry, RANCID is open source.  rConfig  is not.

On Wed, Jan 13, 2021 at 8:46 AM Jason Kuehl  wrote:

> unimus is great I've used it for simple sites. rConfig is better as there
> is no licensing and open source. It's more involved at setting up but worth
> it.
>
> On Wed, Jan 13, 2021 at 8:20 AM Mike Hammett  wrote:
>
>> I've been using Unimus since before 0.3.0 (as I see it contains a number
>> of additions I would have contributed).
>>
>> Great product.
>>
>> They are very responsive to feature requests.
>>
>> They have been very responsive to the few support requests I've had.
>>
>> Very cost effective.
>>
>> Very easy to install and update.
>>
>>
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>> http://www.ics-il.com
>>
>> Midwest-IX
>> http://www.midwest-ix.com
>>
>> --
>> *From: *"James Braunegg" 
>> *To: *nanog@nanog.org
>> *Sent: *Wednesday, January 13, 2021 12:38:53 AM
>> *Subject: *Unimus Network Automation https://unimus.net/
>>
>> Dear All
>>
>>
>>
>> Anyone using Unimus for Network Automation ? https://unimus.net/
>>
>>
>>
>> i.e. mass configuration / push / pull configurations looking for
>> something more powerful than rconfig for a Cisco Nexus and Juniper
>> environment.
>>
>>
>>
>> And or happy with any other suggestions
>>
>>
>>
>> Kindest Regards
>>
>>
>>
>> *James Braunegg*
>>
>> [image: cid:image001.png@01D280A4.01865B60]
>>
>> 1300 769 972 / 0488 997 207 <1300%20769%20972>
>>
>> *ja...@micron21.com *
>>
>> www.micron21.com/
>>
>> [image: cid:image002.png@01D280A4.01865B60] 
>>
>> [image: cid:image003.png@01D280A4.01865B60]
>> 
>>
>> [image: cid:image004.png@01D280A4.01865B60]
>> 
>>
>> Follow us on Twitter  for important
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Re: Unimus Network Automation https://unimus.net/

[Jason Kuehl]

unimus is great I've used it for simple sites. rConfig is better as there
is no licensing and open source. It's more involved at setting up but worth
it.

On Wed, Jan 13, 2021 at 8:20 AM Mike Hammett  wrote:

> I've been using Unimus since before 0.3.0 (as I see it contains a number
> of additions I would have contributed).
>
> Great product.
>
> They are very responsive to feature requests.
>
> They have been very responsive to the few support requests I've had.
>
> Very cost effective.
>
> Very easy to install and update.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> http://www.ics-il.com
>
> Midwest-IX
> http://www.midwest-ix.com
>
> --
> *From: *"James Braunegg" 
> *To: *nanog@nanog.org
> *Sent: *Wednesday, January 13, 2021 12:38:53 AM
> *Subject: *Unimus Network Automation https://unimus.net/
>
> Dear All
>
>
>
> Anyone using Unimus for Network Automation ? https://unimus.net/
>
>
>
> i.e. mass configuration / push / pull configurations looking for something
> more powerful than rconfig for a Cisco Nexus and Juniper environment.
>
>
>
> And or happy with any other suggestions
>
>
>
> Kindest Regards
>
>
>
> *James Braunegg*
>
> [image: cid:image001.png@01D280A4.01865B60]
>
> 1300 769 972 / 0488 997 207 <1300%20769%20972>
>
> *ja...@micron21.com *
>
> www.micron21.com/
>
> [image: cid:image002.png@01D280A4.01865B60] 
>
> [image: cid:image003.png@01D280A4.01865B60]
> 
>
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>
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Re: Unimus Network Automation https://unimus.net/

[Mike Hammett]

I've been using Unimus since before 0.3.0 (as I see it contains a number of 
additions I would have contributed). 


Great product. 

They are very responsive to feature requests. 


They have been very responsive to the few support requests I've had. 


Very cost effective. 


Very easy to install and update. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 

Midwest-IX 
http://www.midwest-ix.com 

- Original Message -

From: "James Braunegg"  
To: nanog@nanog.org 
Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2021 12:38:53 AM 
Subject: Unimus Network Automation https://unimus.net/ 



Dear All 

Anyone using Unimus for Network Automation ? https://unimus.net/ 

i.e. mass configuration / push / pull configurations looking for something more 
powerful than rconfig for a Cisco Nexus and Juniper environment. 

And or happy with any other suggestions 

Kindest Regards 




James Braunegg 

cid:image001.png@01D280A4.01865B60  

1300 769 972 / 0488 997 207 

ja...@micron21.com 

www.micron21.com/   
cid:image002.png@01D280A4.01865B60


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