Re: Free.fr vs HE.net IPv6 (Was: CISA: Guidance on the Essential Critical Infrastructure Workforce)

[Matt Erculiani]

Single homed on Cogent.* is a problem. Their network is known for being
cheap, not resilient. Last time I was involved in a Cogent install for a
customer, all of their distribution devices connected to a SINGLE core at a
major south-central US carrier hotel. True device redundancy required a
wave to another building. Pretty of absurd IMO for a carrier that likes to
play “holier than thou” with peering.

-Matt

On Sun, Mar 29, 2020 at 9:42 AM Mike Hammett  wrote:

> I did error somewhere, yes. If I didn't read that part, didn't send the
> right link, etc. Not sure.
>
> Yeah, single-homed on Cogent IPv6 is a problem.
>
> Maybe I just assumed that if you had transit from someone, that you got
> IPv4 and IPv6 service with them. Who doesn't do that?
>
>
>
> -
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> --
> *From: *"Radu-Adrian Feurdean" 
> *To: *"NANOG" 
> *Sent: *Saturday, March 28, 2020 10:22:24 PM
> *Subject: *Free.fr vs HE.net IPv6 (Was: CISA: Guidance on the Essential
> Critical Infrastructure Workforce)
>
>
> On Sat, Mar 28, 2020, at 19:52, Mike Hammett wrote:
> >
> https://radar.qrator.net/as12322/providers#startDate=2019-12-27=2020-03-27=current
>
> Did you read the part about *IPv6* traffic ?
> Your link points to some IPv*4* relationship. Over IPv6, you get this :
>
>
> https://radar.qrator.net/as12322/ipv6-providers#startDate=2019-12-29=2020-03-29=current
>
> Note the "Active Now" part, which is only active for Cogent.
>
> And then, rather than taking QRator (which does a good job and has
> interesting information on a number of things - who buys transit from who
> *NOT* being one of those things - or at least not the public information)
> as word of absolute truth, did you test that bgp.he.net thinks about this
> ? Since HE is one of the parties, it does make sense to check their tools
> to see their point of view.
>
> Long story short:
>  - Free.fr in known in France (where I happen to live and work) for only
> having Cogent as a transit for the last few years.
>  - they are also known to peer (like "only exchange own routes and
> customer routes") with some "very big" networks (usually called "tier-1") :
> level3 and zayo among them.
>  - Cogent and HE over IPv6 ... I suppose everybody knows the story.
>  - Free.fr depeered he.net about one week ago...
>
> There have been some exchanges of tentative traceroutes in both directions
> on FRnOG (French NOG) and things are clear : free.fr and he.net cannot
> exchange IPv6 traffic.
>
> --
Matt Erculiani
ERCUL-ARIN

Re: Free.fr vs HE.net IPv6 (Was: CISA: Guidance on the Essential Critical Infrastructure Workforce)

[Mike Hammett]

I did error somewhere, yes. If I didn't read that part, didn't send the right 
link, etc. Not sure. 


Yeah, single-homed on Cogent IPv6 is a problem. 


Maybe I just assumed that if you had transit from someone, that you got IPv4 
and IPv6 service with them. Who doesn't do that? 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 

- Original Message -

From: "Radu-Adrian Feurdean"  
To: "NANOG"  
Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2020 10:22:24 PM 
Subject: Free.fr vs HE.net IPv6 (Was: CISA: Guidance on the Essential Critical 
Infrastructure Workforce) 

On Sat, Mar 28, 2020, at 19:52, Mike Hammett wrote: 
> https://radar.qrator.net/as12322/providers#startDate=2019-12-27=2020-03-27=current
>  

Did you read the part about *IPv6* traffic ? 
Your link points to some IPv*4* relationship. Over IPv6, you get this : 

https://radar.qrator.net/as12322/ipv6-providers#startDate=2019-12-29=2020-03-29=current
 

Note the "Active Now" part, which is only active for Cogent. 

And then, rather than taking QRator (which does a good job and has interesting 
information on a number of things - who buys transit from who *NOT* being one 
of those things - or at least not the public information) as word of absolute 
truth, did you test that bgp.he.net thinks about this ? Since HE is one of the 
parties, it does make sense to check their tools to see their point of view. 

Long story short: 
- Free.fr in known in France (where I happen to live and work) for only having 
Cogent as a transit for the last few years. 
- they are also known to peer (like "only exchange own routes and customer 
routes") with some "very big" networks (usually called "tier-1") : level3 and 
zayo among them. 
- Cogent and HE over IPv6 ... I suppose everybody knows the story. 
- Free.fr depeered he.net about one week ago... 

There have been some exchanges of tentative traceroutes in both directions on 
FRnOG (French NOG) and things are clear : free.fr and he.net cannot exchange 
IPv6 traffic. 

Free.fr vs HE.net IPv6 (Was: CISA: Guidance on the Essential Critical Infrastructure Workforce)

[Radu-Adrian Feurdean]

On Sat, Mar 28, 2020, at 19:52, Mike Hammett wrote:
> https://radar.qrator.net/as12322/providers#startDate=2019-12-27=2020-03-27=current

Did you read the part about *IPv6* traffic ?
Your link points to some IPv*4* relationship. Over IPv6, you get this :

https://radar.qrator.net/as12322/ipv6-providers#startDate=2019-12-29=2020-03-29=current

Note the "Active Now" part, which is only active for Cogent.

And then, rather than taking QRator (which does a good job and has interesting 
information on a number of things - who buys transit from who *NOT* being one 
of those things - or at least not the public information) as word of absolute 
truth, did you test that bgp.he.net thinks about this ? Since HE is one of the 
parties, it does make sense to check their tools to see their point of view.

Long story short:
 - Free.fr in known in France (where I happen to live and work) for only having 
Cogent as a transit for the last few years.
 - they are also known to peer (like "only exchange own routes and customer 
routes") with some "very big" networks (usually called "tier-1") : level3 and 
zayo among them.
 - Cogent and HE over IPv6 ... I suppose everybody knows the story.
 - Free.fr depeered he.net about one week ago...

There have been some exchanges of tentative traceroutes in both directions on 
FRnOG (French NOG) and things are clear : free.fr and he.net cannot exchange 
IPv6 traffic.

Re: CISA: Guidance on the Essential Critical Infrastructure Workforce

[Mike Hammett]

https://radar.qrator.net/as12322/providers#startDate=2019-12-27=2020-03-27=current
 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 

- Original Message -

From: "Lukas Tribus"  
To: "Radu-Adrian Feurdean"  
Cc: "Laura via NANOG Eilers"  
Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2020 12:24:23 PM 
Subject: Re: CISA: Guidance on the Essential Critical Infrastructure Workforce 

Hello, 

On Sat, 28 Mar 2020 at 11:13, Radu-Adrian Feurdean 
 wrote: 
> 
> Are you talking about the same Free.fr that depeered HE a few days ago and 
> expects all IPv6(*) traffic from HE to arrive via their only transit - Cogent 
> ? 

Cogent is not their only transit; at the moment at least I see both v4 
and v6 prefixes perfectly reachable via 3356. 


-lukas 

Re: CISA: Guidance on the Essential Critical Infrastructure Workforce

[Lukas Tribus]

Hello,

On Sat, 28 Mar 2020 at 11:13, Radu-Adrian Feurdean
 wrote:
>
> Are you talking about the same Free.fr that depeered HE a few days ago and 
> expects all IPv6(*) traffic from HE to arrive via their only transit - Cogent 
> ?

Cogent is not their only transit; at the moment at least I see both v4
and v6 prefixes perfectly reachable via 3356.


-lukas

Re: CISA: Guidance on the Essential Critical Infrastructure Workforce

[Baldur Norddahl]

That would only be a problem for people that single home to HE? I love HE
but like Cogent it is probably not smart to have them as a single provider
for IPv6.

On the other hand I am surprised that a french company can single home with
Cogent. My experience is that Cogent has insufficient connectivity in
Europe for that to be a good idea.

lør. 28. mar. 2020 11.14 skrev Radu-Adrian Feurdean <
na...@radu-adrian.feurdean.net>:

> On Sat, Mar 21, 2020, at 08:37, Bill Woodcock wrote:
>
> > And a giant thumbs up to Free, who are keeping my 10G broadband flying
>
> Are you talking about the same Free.fr that depeered HE a few days ago and
> expects all IPv6(*) traffic from HE to arrive via their only transit -
> Cogent ?
>
> (*) close to 100% of their fixed customers having IPv6 enabled to CPE
> level.
>

Re: CISA: Guidance on the Essential Critical Infrastructure Workforce

[Radu-Adrian Feurdean]

On Sat, Mar 21, 2020, at 08:37, Bill Woodcock wrote:

> And a giant thumbs up to Free, who are keeping my 10G broadband flying 

Are you talking about the same Free.fr that depeered HE a few days ago and 
expects all IPv6(*) traffic from HE to arrive via their only transit - Cogent ?

(*) close to 100% of their fixed customers having IPv6 enabled to CPE level.

Re: CISA: Guidance on the Essential Critical Infrastructure Workforce

[Mark Tinka]

On 21/Mar/20 14:38, Alexandre Petrescu wrote:

>  
>
> Today first time I see in FRance TV news one interviewer puts one
> time-use covers over the microphones when interviewing people. (it's a
> one time cover in addition to the typical windshield which is
> expensive and cant be changed each time).  Only today.  Many days
> lost, many viruses spread.
>
> Still on tables on all TV channels I watch they dont have covers on
> microphones.

There was a time when the Coronavirus issue was evolving monthly. Then
weekly. Then daily.

What I tell all my friends is things are now evolving hourly. What you
knew when you went to bed will be wildly different when you wake up.

Just today, several countries in Africa have shutdown airports and
borders. This wasn't the case 12hrs ago.

The rate of change is exponential.

Mark.

Re: CISA: Guidance on the Essential Critical Infrastructure Workforce

[Alexandre Petrescu]

Le 21/03/2020 à 08:37, Bill Woodcock a écrit :

In France I must show a paper (not smartphone) printed permit, each
sortie one different paper.  The receiver of it (police) takes it in
his/her gloved hands then s/he passes it back to me.  I do not have
gloves.  I wished the receiver did not use the same gloves for each
pereson who passes by and delivers that paper to him.

Yep, couldn't believe it when my mate in Lyon told me the same thing
this week.
But I suppose this was to be expected, and is an idea that could
potentially spread, worldwide.

I’ve been in Paris all week, and have gone out, on average, once a day.  I 
pre-printed a stack of already-filled-out forms at the beginning of the week, 
so I’ve just checked the appropriate box each time I’ve gone out, no big deal.  
Seems quite reasonable to me.  Gets people to at least give some conscious 
thought as to whether their reason for going out actually meets one of the 
listed criteria.  And I haven’t actually been stopped any of the times I’ve 
gone out.

It’s early days yet, but Paris is handling this way, way better than I’d have 
expected.



YEs, it's early days.  For the next days, we need forecast, like in 
weather forecast.  There is no public forecast of this pandemy.


But there is data.  Data is more than just numbers of cases in various 
web sites.  There is also correlation of cases and the dates and levels 
of declaration of confinement.  The levels of confinement that arrive 
are relatively similar but with different names: close borders, close 
restaurants, close schools, close City level 1, close City level 2, 
close City level max.  Each of these levels has a date, but the precise 
date is not centralized somewhere, and worse - not public.  One has to 
watch thousands of public announcements to understand them.  Or to ask 
those who one knows in that particular country, based on confidence.


This is my forecast based on yesterday's public statements on TV from 
Authority and other public data sources including China and Italy, by 
revese engineering and local data to understand French:


   The peak of the wave (biggest number of new cases a day) in France
   will arrive at earliest somewhere between MArch 26th and MArch
   29th.  The length of the peak is about 10 to 22 days.  At earliest
   we start going down the wave starting April 5th, and at latest we
   start going down that wave on April 22nd.  This going down might be
   a rough descent (Codogno city in Italy had 0 cases after 2 weeks
   total confinement), or much slower (China Wuhan 0 cases yesterday,
   but China total increase New Cases still). That is the horizon.

That might change for the better or for worse with (1) 'mutations' (a 
word I dont understand),  with (2) the hopeful medication (Chloroquine 
of enterprise Sanofi, France; and Favipiravir, China Authority; and 
other molecules invoked by Doctors) and (3) capacity of people to 
understand restrictions to stay home, understand how propagation and 
transmission works and (4) capacity of law enforcement to enforce 
restrictions.


To evaluate how a group of people understands what's happening, there 
are simple questions: is covid-19 a virus or an illness?  is this an 
epidemy or a pandemy?  One can compare that with how we went through 
understanding of AIDS, HIV (SIDA, VIH in French) and the relevant 
protections (condoms initially, tri-therapy these days if I understand 
it correctly).  One can compare that to how we understand SARS (SRAS in 
France), H1N1, H5N1 terms.


If we communicate these terms meaningfully then we understand one 
another meaningfully.


There is no reason to compare this covid situation to 9/11 - this is 
more like a wave, that was more like shock and then go down slowly.


It comes, slowly, but it comes.

Alex, LF/HF 2


And a giant thumbs up to Free, who are keeping my 10G broadband flying along at 
an actual, measurable, 10G.



YEs, lucky you.  Me I am on Free's ADSL 5mbit/s, I cant dare to upload 
all significant data to youtube, I refrain for later to do that.  It 
saves me energy :-)


LEt me add this to relate to Guidance in the topic of the email. There 
is a "handbook-covid19-prevention-treatment-China" in pdf format that 
someone sent me.  68 pages, 34mbyte.  I did not read it.  I received 
also other guides in pdf format dedicated to hospital person (the one 
that takes care of the ill person), but they are in other languages than 
French and English.  I think they might all be on the Internet, and I 
hope people can access them freely, without intermediaries, and that 
they take time when appropriate.


Alex



 -Bill

Re: CISA: Guidance on the Essential Critical Infrastructure Workforce

[Alexandre Petrescu]

LF/HF

Le 21/03/2020 à 03:24, Mark Tinka a écrit :


On 20/Mar/20 15:53, Alexandre Petrescu wrote:


In France I must show a paper (not smartphone) printed permit, each
sortie one different paper.  The receiver of it (police) takes it in
his/her gloved hands then s/he passes it back to me.  I do not have
gloves.  I wished the receiver did not use the same gloves for each
pereson who passes by and delivers that paper to him.


Yep, couldn't believe it when my mate in Lyon told me the same thing
this week.

But I suppose this was to be expected, and is an idea that could
potentially spread, worldwide.



Today first time I see in FRance TV news one interviewer puts one 
time-use covers over the microphones when interviewing people. (it's a 
one time cover in addition to the typical windshield which is expensive 
and cant be changed each time).  Only today.  Many days lost, many 
viruses spread.


Still on tables on all TV channels I watch they dont have covers on 
microphones.


Alex



Mark.

Re: CISA: Guidance on the Essential Critical Infrastructure Workforce

[Bill Woodcock]

>> In France I must show a paper (not smartphone) printed permit, each
>> sortie one different paper.  The receiver of it (police) takes it in
>> his/her gloved hands then s/he passes it back to me.  I do not have
>> gloves.  I wished the receiver did not use the same gloves for each
>> pereson who passes by and delivers that paper to him.
> 
> Yep, couldn't believe it when my mate in Lyon told me the same thing
> this week.
> But I suppose this was to be expected, and is an idea that could
> potentially spread, worldwide.

I’ve been in Paris all week, and have gone out, on average, once a day.  I 
pre-printed a stack of already-filled-out forms at the beginning of the week, 
so I’ve just checked the appropriate box each time I’ve gone out, no big deal.  
Seems quite reasonable to me.  Gets people to at least give some conscious 
thought as to whether their reason for going out actually meets one of the 
listed criteria.  And I haven’t actually been stopped any of the times I’ve 
gone out.

It’s early days yet, but Paris is handling this way, way better than I’d have 
expected.

And a giant thumbs up to Free, who are keeping my 10G broadband flying along at 
an actual, measurable, 10G.

-Bill



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Re: CISA: Guidance on the Essential Critical Infrastructure Workforce

[Mark Tinka]

On 20/Mar/20 15:53, Alexandre Petrescu wrote:

>
> In France I must show a paper (not smartphone) printed permit, each
> sortie one different paper.  The receiver of it (police) takes it in
> his/her gloved hands then s/he passes it back to me.  I do not have
> gloves.  I wished the receiver did not use the same gloves for each
> pereson who passes by and delivers that paper to him.
>

Yep, couldn't believe it when my mate in Lyon told me the same thing
this week.

But I suppose this was to be expected, and is an idea that could
potentially spread, worldwide.

Mark.

Re: CISA: Guidance on the Essential Critical Infrastructure Workforce

[Alexandre Petrescu]

LF/HF

Le 20/03/2020 à 13:48, Ryland Kremeier a écrit :


This really depends on particulate size. A mask may only save you from 
touching your face. You are much better off just washing your hands 
constantly and keeping your distance as much as possible from others. 
Remove, wash your clothes, and shower immediately when you get home. 
Use hand sanitizers throughout the day and don’t touch your face.


When wearing gloves, you DO NOT change them after you touch something. 
The objective is not to keep the gloves clean, but your hands; 
excessive changing of gloves will only lead to more particulate 
transfer onto your skin.




In France I must show a paper (not smartphone) printed permit, each 
sortie one different paper.  The receiver of it (police) takes it in 
his/her gloved hands then s/he passes it back to me. I do not have 
gloves.  I wished the receiver did not use the same gloves for each 
pereson who passes by and delivers that paper to him.


TRansmission should be analyzed.

Alex


-- Ryland

*From:* NANOG  
*On Behalf Of *Heart Rate Var LF/HF==

*Sent:* Friday, March 20, 2020 7:09 AM
*To:* nanog@nanog.org
*Subject:* Re: CISA: Guidance on the Essential Critical Infrastructure 
Workforce


I hope they give them masks, and ideally total body coverage, one time 
use, like One Time Passwords.


I really hope it.

Lots of key workers here without masks.

I dont know whether you know the joke about going to war without 
weapons.  We did kid about Russians doing that in WWII, and about 
others in WW1.


If you do not have masks, please make mask yourself, do it yourself, 
tissue, elastics, its easy; cut a rear pocket from the jeans.  
Constalty wear it, but also when distanced from others remove it.  One 
can see to a longer distance than one can breath the virus spread.  
But stay away and dont breath if mask down.  It's also good to wear 
eye glasses, like 'shades', to avoid virus intake by the eyes.


When one shows face to others its good, somebody can tell have seen 
that person.


If you do wear gloves then make sure you change them after each time 
you touched something.  Changing gloves involves a particular 
technique: whhen ungloving avoid touching the external side of glove 
with your skin.


Do not put your gloved hands in your elbow angle while waiting  
patiently and showing force (some security people wear gloves, then 
cough in elbow, and then display force by putting palms in elbow angle 
- 'croiser les bras', french).


Alex

Le 20/03/2020 à 07:27, colin johnston a écrit :

UK gov notification of key worker status inc
Telecommunication/Data Centre workers


https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/coronavirus-covid-19-maintaining-educational-provision/guidance-for-schools-colleges-and-local-authorities-on-maintaining-educational-provision

Col





On 19 Mar 2020, at 21:36, Sean Donelan mailto:s...@donelan.com>> wrote:


The U.S. Cyber and Infrastructure Security Agency (part of
the U.S. Department of Homeland Security) has issued new
Guidance on the Essential Critical Infrastructure Workforce.

The memorandum is advisory, not presecriptive.  DHS is
only one of several agencies assigned some National
Essential Functions so it is not exhaustive list.  It
looks like someone found the three-ring emergency plan
binders. Sad its needed, but appreciative of the experts
which helped write those planning documents over the years.



https://www.cisa.gov/publication/guidance-essential-critical-infrastructure
-workforce

[...]
The attached list identifies workers who conduct a range
of operations and services that are essential to continued
critical infrastructure viability, including staffing
operations centers, maintaining and repairing critical
infrastructure, operating call centers, working
construction, and performing management functions, among
others. The industries they support represent, but are not
necessarily limited to, medical and healthcare,
telecommunications, information technology systems,
defense, food and agriculture, transportation and
logistics, energy, water and wastewater, law enforcement,
and public works.

We recognize that State, local, tribal, and territorial
governments are ultimately in charge of implementing and
executing response activities in communities under their
jurisdiction, while the Federal Government is in a
supporting role. As State and local communities consider

COVID-19-related restrictions, CISA is offering this list
to assist prioritizing activities related to continuity of
operations and incident response, inc

RE: CISA: Guidance on the Essential Critical Infrastructure Workforce

[Ryland Kremeier]

This really depends on particulate size. A mask may only save you from touching 
your face. You are much better off just washing your hands constantly and 
keeping your distance as much as possible from others. Remove, wash your 
clothes, and shower immediately when you get home. Use hand sanitizers 
throughout the day and don't touch your face.

When wearing gloves, you DO NOT change them after you touch something. The 
objective is not to keep the gloves clean, but your hands; excessive changing 
of gloves will only lead to more particulate transfer onto your skin.

-- Ryland


From: NANOG  On Behalf Of 
Heart Rate Var LF/HF==
Sent: Friday, March 20, 2020 7:09 AM
To: nanog@nanog.org
Subject: Re: CISA: Guidance on the Essential Critical Infrastructure Workforce


I hope they give them masks, and ideally total body coverage, one time use, 
like One Time Passwords.

I really hope it.

Lots of key workers here without masks.

I dont know whether you know the joke about going to war without weapons.  We 
did kid about Russians doing that in WWII, and about others in WW1.

If you do not have masks, please make mask yourself, do it yourself, tissue, 
elastics, its easy; cut a rear pocket from the jeans.  Constalty wear it, but 
also when distanced from others remove it.  One can see to a longer distance 
than one can breath the virus spread.  But stay away and dont breath if mask 
down.  It's also good to wear eye glasses, like 'shades', to avoid virus intake 
by the eyes.

When one shows face to others its good, somebody can tell have seen that person.

If you do wear gloves then make sure you change them after each time you 
touched something.  Changing gloves involves a particular technique: whhen 
ungloving avoid touching the external side of glove with your skin.

Do not put your gloved hands in your elbow angle while waiting  patiently and 
showing force (some security people wear gloves, then cough in elbow, and then 
display force by putting palms in elbow angle - 'croiser les bras', french).

Alex
Le 20/03/2020 à 07:27, colin johnston a écrit :
UK gov notification of key worker status inc Telecommunication/Data Centre 
workers
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/coronavirus-covid-19-maintaining-educational-provision/guidance-for-schools-colleges-and-local-authorities-on-maintaining-educational-provision

Col






On 19 Mar 2020, at 21:36, Sean Donelan 
mailto:s...@donelan.com>> wrote:


The U.S. Cyber and Infrastructure Security Agency (part of the U.S. Department 
of Homeland Security) has issued new Guidance on the Essential Critical 
Infrastructure Workforce.

The memorandum is advisory, not presecriptive.  DHS is only one of several 
agencies assigned some National Essential Functions so it is not exhaustive 
list.  It looks like someone found the three-ring emergency plan binders. Sad 
its needed, but appreciative of the experts which helped write those planning 
documents over the years.


https://www.cisa.gov/publication/guidance-essential-critical-infrastructure
-workforce

[...]
The attached list identifies workers who conduct a range of operations and 
services that are essential to continued critical infrastructure viability, 
including staffing operations centers, maintaining and repairing critical 
infrastructure, operating call centers, working construction, and performing 
management functions, among others. The industries they support represent, but 
are not necessarily limited to, medical and healthcare, telecommunications, 
information technology systems, defense, food and agriculture, transportation 
and logistics, energy, water and wastewater, law enforcement, and public works.

We recognize that State, local, tribal, and territorial governments are 
ultimately in charge of implementing and executing response activities in 
communities under their jurisdiction, while the Federal Government is in a 
supporting role. As State and local communities consider

COVID-19-related restrictions, CISA is offering this list to assist 
prioritizing activities related to continuity of operations and incident 
response, including the appropriate movement of critical infrastructure workers 
within and between jurisdictions.

Accordingly, this list is advisory in nature. It is not, nor should it be 
considered to be, a federal directive or standard in and of itself.
[...]

Re: CISA: Guidance on the Essential Critical Infrastructure Workforce

[Heart Rate Var LF/HF==]

I hope they give them masks, and ideally total body coverage, one time 
use, like One Time Passwords.


I really hope it.

Lots of key workers here without masks.

I dont know whether you know the joke about going to war without 
weapons.  We did kid about Russians doing that in WWII, and about others 
in WW1.


If you do not have masks, please make mask yourself, do it yourself, 
tissue, elastics, its easy; cut a rear pocket from the jeans. Constalty 
wear it, but also when distanced from others remove it.  One can see to 
a longer distance than one can breath the virus spread.  But stay away 
and dont breath if mask down. It's also good to wear eye glasses, like 
'shades', to avoid virus intake by the eyes.


When one shows face to others its good, somebody can tell have seen that 
person.


If you do wear gloves then make sure you change them after each time you 
touched something.  Changing gloves involves a particular technique: 
whhen ungloving avoid touching the external side of glove with your skin.


Do not put your gloved hands in your elbow angle while waiting  
patiently and showing force (some security people wear gloves, then 
cough in elbow, and then display force by putting palms in elbow angle - 
'croiser les bras', french).


Alex

Le 20/03/2020 à 07:27, colin johnston a écrit :
UK gov notification of key worker status inc Telecommunication/Data 
Centre workers

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/coronavirus-covid-19-maintaining-educational-provision/guidance-for-schools-colleges-and-local-authorities-on-maintaining-educational-provision

Col





On 19 Mar 2020, at 21:36, Sean Donelan > wrote:



The U.S. Cyber and Infrastructure Security Agency (part of the U.S. 
Department of Homeland Security) has issued new Guidance on the 
Essential Critical Infrastructure Workforce.


The memorandum is advisory, not presecriptive.  DHS is only one of 
several agencies assigned some National Essential Functions so it is 
not exhaustive list.  It looks like someone found the three-ring 
emergency plan binders. Sad its needed, but appreciative of the 
experts which helped write those planning documents over the years.



https://www.cisa.gov/publication/guidance-essential-critical-infrastructure
-workforce

[...]
The attached list identifies workers who conduct a range of 
operations and services that are essential to continued critical 
infrastructure viability, including staffing operations centers, 
maintaining and repairing critical infrastructure, operating call 
centers, working construction, and performing management functions, 
among others. The industries they support represent, but are not 
necessarily limited to, medical and healthcare, telecommunications, 
information technology systems, defense, food and agriculture, 
transportation and logistics, energy, water and wastewater, law 
enforcement, and public works.


We recognize that State, local, tribal, and territorial governments 
are ultimately in charge of implementing and executing response 
activities in communities under their jurisdiction, while the 
Federal Government is in a supporting role. As State and local 
communities consider


COVID-19-related restrictions, CISA is offering this list to assist 
prioritizing activities related to continuity of operations and 
incident response, including the appropriate movement of critical 
infrastructure workers within and between jurisdictions.


Accordingly, this list is advisory in nature. It is not, nor should 
it be considered to be, a federal directive or standard in and of 
itself.

[...]

Re: CISA: Guidance on the Essential Critical Infrastructure Workforce

[colin johnston]

UK gov notification of key worker status inc Telecommunication/Data Centre 
workers
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/coronavirus-covid-19-maintaining-educational-provision/guidance-for-schools-colleges-and-local-authorities-on-maintaining-educational-provision
 


Col


> 
> 
>> On 19 Mar 2020, at 21:36, Sean Donelan > > wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> The U.S. Cyber and Infrastructure Security Agency (part of the U.S. 
>> Department of Homeland Security) has issued new Guidance on the Essential 
>> Critical Infrastructure Workforce.
>> 
>> The memorandum is advisory, not presecriptive.  DHS is only one of several 
>> agencies assigned some National Essential Functions so it is not exhaustive 
>> list.  It looks like someone found the three-ring emergency plan binders. 
>> Sad its needed, but appreciative of the experts which helped write those 
>> planning documents over the years.
>> 
>> 
>> https://www.cisa.gov/publication/guidance-essential-critical-infrastructure 
>> 
>> -workforce
>> 
>> [...]
>> The attached list identifies workers who conduct a range of operations and 
>> services that are essential to continued critical infrastructure viability, 
>> including staffing operations centers, maintaining and repairing critical 
>> infrastructure, operating call centers, working construction, and performing 
>> management functions, among others. The industries they support represent, 
>> but are not necessarily limited to, medical and healthcare, 
>> telecommunications, information technology systems, defense, food and 
>> agriculture, transportation and logistics, energy, water and wastewater, law 
>> enforcement, and public works.
>> 
>> We recognize that State, local, tribal, and territorial governments are 
>> ultimately in charge of implementing and executing response activities in 
>> communities under their jurisdiction, while the Federal Government is in a 
>> supporting role. As State and local communities consider
>> 
>> COVID-19-related restrictions, CISA is offering this list to assist 
>> prioritizing activities related to continuity of operations and incident 
>> response, including the appropriate movement of critical infrastructure 
>> workers within and between jurisdictions.
>> 
>> Accordingly, this list is advisory in nature. It is not, nor should it be 
>> considered to be, a federal directive or standard in and of itself.
>> [...]
> 

Re: CISA: Guidance on the Essential Critical Infrastructure Workforce

[Nick Hilliard]

Sean Donelan wrote on 19/03/2020 21:36:

https://www.cisa.gov/publication/guidance-essential-critical-infrastructure
-workforce


the URL had a line break inserted.  This should work better:


https://www.cisa.gov/publication/guidance-essential-critical-infrastructure-workforce


on cursory skim over, it looks sensible.

Very little attention is being paid to how essential retail stores are. 
We will find out very quickly that the current approach of closing up is 
going to cause a lot of unexpected pinch points.


Nick

CISA: Guidance on the Essential Critical Infrastructure Workforce

[Sean Donelan]

The U.S. Cyber and Infrastructure Security Agency (part of the U.S. 
Department of Homeland Security) has issued new Guidance on the Essential 
Critical Infrastructure Workforce.


The memorandum is advisory, not presecriptive.  DHS is only one of several 
agencies assigned some National Essential Functions so it is not 
exhaustive list.  It looks like someone found the three-ring 
emergency plan binders. Sad its needed, but appreciative of the experts 
which helped write those planning documents over the years.



https://www.cisa.gov/publication/guidance-essential-critical-infrastructure
-workforce

[...]
The attached list identifies workers who conduct a range of operations and 
services that are essential to continued critical infrastructure 
viability, including staffing operations centers, maintaining and 
repairing critical infrastructure, operating call centers, working 
construction, and performing management functions, among others. The 
industries they support represent, but are not necessarily limited to, 
medical and healthcare, telecommunications, information technology 
systems, defense, food and agriculture, transportation and logistics, 
energy, water and wastewater, law enforcement, and public works.


We recognize that State, local, tribal, and territorial governments are 
ultimately in charge of implementing and executing response activities in 
communities under their jurisdiction, while the Federal Government is in a 
supporting role. As State and local communities consider


COVID-19-related restrictions, CISA is offering this list to assist 
prioritizing activities related to continuity of operations and incident 
response, including the appropriate movement of critical infrastructure 
workers within and between jurisdictions.


Accordingly, this list is advisory in nature. It is not, nor should it be 
considered to be, a federal directive or standard in and of itself.

[...]