Re: interconnection costs (off list)

[Josh Luthman]

Not offlist.


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On Tue, Dec 22, 2015 at 2:28 PM, Faisal Imtiaz 
wrote:

> Salam Reza,
>
> You are asking an interesting set of questions, it might be easier to
> answer the over a phone call conversation (at least fro our perspective,
> being a small ISP/NSP ). I can write to you a lengthy reply, but am not
> sure if I will be able to convey to you the information properly.
>
> The way you have posed the question, indicates to me that you are taking a
> particular view of a 'network', which is not the same view I hold. I am not
> sure if your view is more prevalent or our view as a service provider.
>
> Regardless I think it would make for an interesting conversation. Feel
> free to call me at your convenience.
>
> Regards.
>
> Faisal Imtiaz
> Snappy Internet & Telecom
> 7266 SW 48 Street
> Miami, FL 33155
> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
>
> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
>
> - Original Message -
> > From: "Reza Motamedi" 
> > To: "nanog list" 
> > Sent: Tuesday, December 22, 2015 11:44:06 AM
> > Subject: interconnection costs
>
> > Hi NANOG
> >
> > We are a group of researchers and our focus is on the economy of
> > interconnection in the Internet. My question is mainly about the various
> > costs of an AS establishing a connection with another AS, including the
> > costs charged by the colocation providers. I am familiar with most of the
> > connection options such as public peering on IXP, and private peering
> > through xconnects. My understanding is that in addition to the cost of
> > transit that the smaller AS pays to the larger AS, in the former you pay
> a
> > monthly fee to establish a link to the switching fabric and then you can
> > connect to as many ASes that are member in the IXP, and in the later you
> > need to pay for as many xconnects that you need to connect to as many
> ASes
> > that you plan to peer with. Obviously in both cases there is the cost of
> > being in the colocation and renting a rack or whatever. What are the
> other
> > costs involved? How should the AS reach the colocation center in the
> first
> > place? I don't think every network can dig a hole an lay cables. Who
> should
> > they pay to get from one PoP to another? Do ASes have to pay for xconnect
> > to connect their PoP in a data center to the rest of their network?
> >
> > I think there is no single answer as different businesses may have
> > different pricing models. I hope the discussion can help me understand
> the
> > whole ecosystem a little bit better.
> >
> >
> > Best Regards
> > Reza Motamedi (R.M)
> > Graduate Research Fellow
> > Oregon Network Research Group
> > Computer and Information Science
> > University of Oregon
>

Re: interconnection costs (off list)

[Mike Hammett]

Faisal is new to the Internet. ;-) 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 



Midwest Internet Exchange 
http://www.midwest-ix.com 


- Original Message -

From: "Faisal Imtiaz" <fai...@snappytelecom.net> 
To: "Reza Motamedi" <motam...@cs.uoregon.edu> 
Cc: "nanog list" <nanog@nanog.org> 
Sent: Tuesday, December 22, 2015 1:31:11 PM 
Subject: Re: interconnection costs (off list) 

Ouch... so much for off list .. :( 

Faisal Imtiaz 
Snappy Internet & Telecom 
7266 SW 48 Street 
Miami, FL 33155 
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net 

- Original Message - 
> From: "Faisal Imtiaz" <fai...@snappytelecom.net> 
> To: "Reza Motamedi" <motam...@cs.uoregon.edu> 
> Cc: "nanog list" <nanog@nanog.org> 
> Sent: Tuesday, December 22, 2015 2:28:13 PM 
> Subject: Re: interconnection costs (off list) 

> Salam Reza, 
> 
> You are asking an interesting set of questions, it might be easier to answer 
> the 
> over a phone call conversation (at least fro our perspective, being a small 
> ISP/NSP ). I can write to you a lengthy reply, but am not sure if I will be 
> able to convey to you the information properly. 
> 
> The way you have posed the question, indicates to me that you are taking a 
> particular view of a 'network', which is not the same view I hold. I am not 
> sure if your view is more prevalent or our view as a service provider. 
> 
> Regardless I think it would make for an interesting conversation. Feel free 
> to 
> call me at your convenience. 
> 
> Regards. 
> 
> Faisal Imtiaz 
> Snappy Internet & Telecom 
> 7266 SW 48 Street 
> Miami, FL 33155 
> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 
> 
> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net 
> 
> - Original Message - 
>> From: "Reza Motamedi" <motam...@cs.uoregon.edu> 
>> To: "nanog list" <nanog@nanog.org> 
>> Sent: Tuesday, December 22, 2015 11:44:06 AM 
>> Subject: interconnection costs 
> 
>> Hi NANOG 
>> 
>> We are a group of researchers and our focus is on the economy of 
>> interconnection in the Internet. My question is mainly about the various 
>> costs of an AS establishing a connection with another AS, including the 
>> costs charged by the colocation providers. I am familiar with most of the 
>> connection options such as public peering on IXP, and private peering 
>> through xconnects. My understanding is that in addition to the cost of 
>> transit that the smaller AS pays to the larger AS, in the former you pay a 
>> monthly fee to establish a link to the switching fabric and then you can 
>> connect to as many ASes that are member in the IXP, and in the later you 
>> need to pay for as many xconnects that you need to connect to as many ASes 
>> that you plan to peer with. Obviously in both cases there is the cost of 
>> being in the colocation and renting a rack or whatever. What are the other 
>> costs involved? How should the AS reach the colocation center in the first 
>> place? I don't think every network can dig a hole an lay cables. Who should 
>> they pay to get from one PoP to another? Do ASes have to pay for xconnect 
>> to connect their PoP in a data center to the rest of their network? 
>> 
>> I think there is no single answer as different businesses may have 
>> different pricing models. I hope the discussion can help me understand the 
>> whole ecosystem a little bit better. 
>> 
>> 
>> Best Regards 
>> Reza Motamedi (R.M) 
>> Graduate Research Fellow 
>> Oregon Network Research Group 
>> Computer and Information Science 
> > University of Oregon 

Re: interconnection costs (off list)

[Faisal Imtiaz]

Salam Reza,

You are asking an interesting set of questions, it might be easier to answer 
the over a phone call conversation (at least fro our perspective, being a small 
ISP/NSP ). I can write to you a lengthy reply, but am not sure if I will be 
able to convey to you the information properly.

The way you have posed the question, indicates to me that you are taking a 
particular view of a 'network', which is not the same view I hold. I am not 
sure if your view is more prevalent or our view as a service provider.

Regardless I think it would make for an interesting conversation. Feel free to 
call me at your convenience.

Regards.

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
7266 SW 48 Street
Miami, FL 33155
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net

- Original Message -
> From: "Reza Motamedi" 
> To: "nanog list" 
> Sent: Tuesday, December 22, 2015 11:44:06 AM
> Subject: interconnection costs

> Hi NANOG
> 
> We are a group of researchers and our focus is on the economy of
> interconnection in the Internet. My question is mainly about the various
> costs of an AS establishing a connection with another AS, including the
> costs charged by the colocation providers. I am familiar with most of the
> connection options such as public peering on IXP, and private peering
> through xconnects. My understanding is that in addition to the cost of
> transit that the smaller AS pays to the larger AS, in the former you pay a
> monthly fee to establish a link to the switching fabric and then you can
> connect to as many ASes that are member in the IXP, and in the later you
> need to pay for as many xconnects that you need to connect to as many ASes
> that you plan to peer with. Obviously in both cases there is the cost of
> being in the colocation and renting a rack or whatever. What are the other
> costs involved? How should the AS reach the colocation center in the first
> place? I don't think every network can dig a hole an lay cables. Who should
> they pay to get from one PoP to another? Do ASes have to pay for xconnect
> to connect their PoP in a data center to the rest of their network?
> 
> I think there is no single answer as different businesses may have
> different pricing models. I hope the discussion can help me understand the
> whole ecosystem a little bit better.
> 
> 
> Best Regards
> Reza Motamedi (R.M)
> Graduate Research Fellow
> Oregon Network Research Group
> Computer and Information Science
> University of Oregon

Re: interconnection costs (off list)

[Faisal Imtiaz]

or More like getting too old to remember completing the edit of mail to: field !

LOL!


Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
7266 SW 48 Street
Miami, FL 33155
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net

- Original Message -
> From: "Mike Hammett" <na...@ics-il.net>
> Cc: "nanog list" <nanog@nanog.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, December 22, 2015 2:38:21 PM
> Subject: Re: interconnection costs (off list)

> Faisal is new to the Internet. ;-)
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> http://www.ics-il.com
> 
> 
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange
> http://www.midwest-ix.com
> 
> 
> - Original Message -
> 
> From: "Faisal Imtiaz" <fai...@snappytelecom.net>
> To: "Reza Motamedi" <motam...@cs.uoregon.edu>
> Cc: "nanog list" <nanog@nanog.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, December 22, 2015 1:31:11 PM
> Subject: Re: interconnection costs (off list)
> 
> Ouch... so much for off list .. :(
> 
> Faisal Imtiaz
> Snappy Internet & Telecom
> 7266 SW 48 Street
> Miami, FL 33155
> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
> 
> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
> 
> - Original Message -----
>> From: "Faisal Imtiaz" <fai...@snappytelecom.net>
>> To: "Reza Motamedi" <motam...@cs.uoregon.edu>
>> Cc: "nanog list" <nanog@nanog.org>
>> Sent: Tuesday, December 22, 2015 2:28:13 PM
>> Subject: Re: interconnection costs (off list)
> 
>> Salam Reza,
>> 
>> You are asking an interesting set of questions, it might be easier to answer 
>> the
>> over a phone call conversation (at least fro our perspective, being a small
>> ISP/NSP ). I can write to you a lengthy reply, but am not sure if I will be
>> able to convey to you the information properly.
>> 
>> The way you have posed the question, indicates to me that you are taking a
>> particular view of a 'network', which is not the same view I hold. I am not
>> sure if your view is more prevalent or our view as a service provider.
>> 
>> Regardless I think it would make for an interesting conversation. Feel free 
>> to
>> call me at your convenience.
>> 
>> Regards.
>> 
>> Faisal Imtiaz
>> Snappy Internet & Telecom
>> 7266 SW 48 Street
>> Miami, FL 33155
>> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
>> 
>> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
>> 
>> - Original Message -
>>> From: "Reza Motamedi" <motam...@cs.uoregon.edu>
>>> To: "nanog list" <nanog@nanog.org>
>>> Sent: Tuesday, December 22, 2015 11:44:06 AM
>>> Subject: interconnection costs
>> 
>>> Hi NANOG
>>> 
>>> We are a group of researchers and our focus is on the economy of
>>> interconnection in the Internet. My question is mainly about the various
>>> costs of an AS establishing a connection with another AS, including the
>>> costs charged by the colocation providers. I am familiar with most of the
>>> connection options such as public peering on IXP, and private peering
>>> through xconnects. My understanding is that in addition to the cost of
>>> transit that the smaller AS pays to the larger AS, in the former you pay a
>>> monthly fee to establish a link to the switching fabric and then you can
>>> connect to as many ASes that are member in the IXP, and in the later you
>>> need to pay for as many xconnects that you need to connect to as many ASes
>>> that you plan to peer with. Obviously in both cases there is the cost of
>>> being in the colocation and renting a rack or whatever. What are the other
>>> costs involved? How should the AS reach the colocation center in the first
>>> place? I don't think every network can dig a hole an lay cables. Who should
>>> they pay to get from one PoP to another? Do ASes have to pay for xconnect
>>> to connect their PoP in a data center to the rest of their network?
>>> 
>>> I think there is no single answer as different businesses may have
>>> different pricing models. I hope the discussion can help me understand the
>>> whole ecosystem a little bit better.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Best Regards
>>> Reza Motamedi (R.M)
>>> Graduate Research Fellow
>>> Oregon Network Research Group
>>> Computer and Information Science
> > > University of Oregon

Re: interconnection costs (off list)

[Faisal Imtiaz]

Ouch... so much for off list .. :(

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
7266 SW 48 Street
Miami, FL 33155
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net

- Original Message -
> From: "Faisal Imtiaz" <fai...@snappytelecom.net>
> To: "Reza Motamedi" <motam...@cs.uoregon.edu>
> Cc: "nanog list" <nanog@nanog.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, December 22, 2015 2:28:13 PM
> Subject: Re: interconnection costs (off list)

> Salam Reza,
> 
> You are asking an interesting set of questions, it might be easier to answer 
> the
> over a phone call conversation (at least fro our perspective, being a small
> ISP/NSP ). I can write to you a lengthy reply, but am not sure if I will be
> able to convey to you the information properly.
> 
> The way you have posed the question, indicates to me that you are taking a
> particular view of a 'network', which is not the same view I hold. I am not
> sure if your view is more prevalent or our view as a service provider.
> 
> Regardless I think it would make for an interesting conversation. Feel free to
> call me at your convenience.
> 
> Regards.
> 
> Faisal Imtiaz
> Snappy Internet & Telecom
> 7266 SW 48 Street
> Miami, FL 33155
> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
> 
> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
> 
> - Original Message -
>> From: "Reza Motamedi" <motam...@cs.uoregon.edu>
>> To: "nanog list" <nanog@nanog.org>
>> Sent: Tuesday, December 22, 2015 11:44:06 AM
>> Subject: interconnection costs
> 
>> Hi NANOG
>> 
>> We are a group of researchers and our focus is on the economy of
>> interconnection in the Internet. My question is mainly about the various
>> costs of an AS establishing a connection with another AS, including the
>> costs charged by the colocation providers. I am familiar with most of the
>> connection options such as public peering on IXP, and private peering
>> through xconnects. My understanding is that in addition to the cost of
>> transit that the smaller AS pays to the larger AS, in the former you pay a
>> monthly fee to establish a link to the switching fabric and then you can
>> connect to as many ASes that are member in the IXP, and in the later you
>> need to pay for as many xconnects that you need to connect to as many ASes
>> that you plan to peer with. Obviously in both cases there is the cost of
>> being in the colocation and renting a rack or whatever. What are the other
>> costs involved? How should the AS reach the colocation center in the first
>> place? I don't think every network can dig a hole an lay cables. Who should
>> they pay to get from one PoP to another? Do ASes have to pay for xconnect
>> to connect their PoP in a data center to the rest of their network?
>> 
>> I think there is no single answer as different businesses may have
>> different pricing models. I hope the discussion can help me understand the
>> whole ecosystem a little bit better.
>> 
>> 
>> Best Regards
>> Reza Motamedi (R.M)
>> Graduate Research Fellow
>> Oregon Network Research Group
>> Computer and Information Science
> > University of Oregon

Re: interconnection costs (off list)

[Gavin Henry]

On list :)