Re: [Nanog-futures] Stenographers for Future NANOGs?
On Wed, Oct 06, 2010 at 07:54:57AM -0700, Kevin Oberman wrote: Date: Wed, 06 Oct 2010 10:42:16 -0400 From: Randy Whitney randy.whit...@verizonbusiness.com As I am reading through Matt's notes since I cannot attend NANOG in person this time, I'm pondering whether it may make sense in the future for NewNOG to set aside budget to employ stenographers to cover at least the plenary of the conference. Matt has done an admirable job over the past few years volunteering to do this, but perhaps there might be some way to lift this burden from him? While I really appreciate Matt's efforts in posting the notes, the cost of stenographers seems hard to justify. After all, the slides and the A/V streams of all General Session presentations is archived and available at any time. ARIN utilizes two stenographers / court reporters for each meeting. If cost is a significant consideration, perhaps working a deal with them (for at least joint meetings) would be a good idea. I'll grab a business card from them today and inquire about day rates. Cheers, Aaron I really hope Matt will continue his efforts or that someone else would volunteer to take over should Matt decide to stop, but unless the cost of stenographers is far lower than I expect, I'd have a hard time justifying the cost. -- R. Kevin Oberman, Network Engineer Energy Sciences Network (ESnet) Ernest O. Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory (Berkeley Lab) E-mail: ober...@es.netPhone: +1 510 486-8634 Key fingerprint:059B 2DDF 031C 9BA3 14A4 EADA 927D EBB3 987B 3751 -- Nanog-futures mailing list Nanog-futures@nanog.org https://mailman.nanog.org/mailman/listinfo/nanog-futures -- Aaron Hughes aar...@bind.com +1-831-824-4161 Key fingerprint = AD 67 37 60 7D 73 C5 B7 33 18 3F 36 C3 1C C6 B8 http://www.bind.com/ ___ Nanog-futures mailing list Nanog-futures@nanog.org https://mailman.nanog.org/mailman/listinfo/nanog-futures
[Nanog-futures] Stenographers for Future NANOGs?
As I am reading through Matt's notes since I cannot attend NANOG in person this time, I'm pondering whether it may make sense in the future for NewNOG to set aside budget to employ stenographers to cover at least the plenary of the conference. Matt has done an admirable job over the past few years volunteering to do this, but perhaps there might be some way to lift this burden from him? -- RandyW. ___ Nanog-futures mailing list Nanog-futures@nanog.org https://mailman.nanog.org/mailman/listinfo/nanog-futures
Re: [Nanog-futures] Stenographers for Future NANOGs?
On 06/10/10 15:42, Randy Whitney wrote: As I am reading through Matt's notes since I cannot attend NANOG in person this time, I'm pondering whether it may make sense in the future for NewNOG to set aside budget to employ stenographers to cover at least the plenary of the conference. Matt has done an admirable job over the past few years volunteering to do this, but perhaps there might be some way to lift this burden from him? RIPE meetings have this and it works really well; especially, i suspect, for non-native English speakers. There is a live app you can watch on the web, and a projection display in-room. I imagine it's 'quite expensive'... ___ Nanog-futures mailing list Nanog-futures@nanog.org https://mailman.nanog.org/mailman/listinfo/nanog-futures
Re: [Nanog-futures] Stenographers for Future NANOGs?
On Oct 6, 2010, at 7:47 AM, Will Hargrave wrote: RIPE meetings have this and it works really well; especially, i suspect, for non-native English speakers. There is a live app you can watch on the web, and a projection display in-room. I imagine it's 'quite expensive'... APNIC as well, for the reasons Will states. I think, in general, that this is the sort of service RIRs can afford, and NOGs cannot. Another argument in favor of joint RIR/NOG meetings, as in RIPE and APRICOT/APNIC. -Bill ___ Nanog-futures mailing list Nanog-futures@nanog.org https://mailman.nanog.org/mailman/listinfo/nanog-futures
Re: [Nanog-futures] Stenographers for Future NANOGs?
Date: Wed, 06 Oct 2010 10:42:16 -0400 From: Randy Whitney randy.whit...@verizonbusiness.com As I am reading through Matt's notes since I cannot attend NANOG in person this time, I'm pondering whether it may make sense in the future for NewNOG to set aside budget to employ stenographers to cover at least the plenary of the conference. Matt has done an admirable job over the past few years volunteering to do this, but perhaps there might be some way to lift this burden from him? While I really appreciate Matt's efforts in posting the notes, the cost of stenographers seems hard to justify. After all, the slides and the A/V streams of all General Session presentations is archived and available at any time. I really hope Matt will continue his efforts or that someone else would volunteer to take over should Matt decide to stop, but unless the cost of stenographers is far lower than I expect, I'd have a hard time justifying the cost. -- R. Kevin Oberman, Network Engineer Energy Sciences Network (ESnet) Ernest O. Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory (Berkeley Lab) E-mail: ober...@es.net Phone: +1 510 486-8634 Key fingerprint:059B 2DDF 031C 9BA3 14A4 EADA 927D EBB3 987B 3751 ___ Nanog-futures mailing list Nanog-futures@nanog.org https://mailman.nanog.org/mailman/listinfo/nanog-futures
Re: [Nanog-futures] Stenographers for Future NANOGs?
On 10/6/10 8:42 AM, Randy Whitney wrote: As I am reading through Matt's notes since I cannot attend NANOG in person this time, I'm pondering whether it may make sense in the future for NewNOG to set aside budget to employ stenographers to cover at least the plenary of the conference. Matt has done an admirable job over the past few years volunteering to do this, but perhaps there might be some way to lift this burden from him? I would think that we probably need a very good and accurate transcript of any NewNOG community meetings. Even if we did not do this for the NANOG conference, it may be worth the cost for a couple hours. -Sean ___ Nanog-futures mailing list Nanog-futures@nanog.org https://mailman.nanog.org/mailman/listinfo/nanog-futures
Re: [Nanog-futures] Stenographers for Future NANOGs?
On Oct 6, 2010, at 15:25, Sean Figgins s...@labrats.us wrote: On 10/6/10 8:42 AM, Randy Whitney wrote: As I am reading through Matt's notes since I cannot attend NANOG in person this time, I'm pondering whether it may make sense in the future for NewNOG to set aside budget to employ stenographers to cover at least the plenary of the conference. Matt has done an admirable job over the past few years volunteering to do this, but perhaps there might be some way to lift this burden from him? I would think that we probably need a very good and accurate transcript of any NewNOG community meetings. Even if we did not do this for the NANOG conference, it may be worth the cost for a couple hours. -Sean ___ Nanog-futures mailing list Nanog-futures@nanog.org https://mailman.nanog.org/mailman/listinfo/nanog-futures I guess I miss the point. When I can go to nanog.org/meetings/nanog49/agenda.php and watch and listen to the full meeting, why would I need a transcopt? Sent from my iPod ___ Nanog-futures mailing list Nanog-futures@nanog.org https://mailman.nanog.org/mailman/listinfo/nanog-futures
Re: [Nanog-futures] Stenographers for Future NANOGs?
On Oct 6, 2010, at 1:50 PM, Kevin Oberman wrote: On Oct 6, 2010, at 15:25, Sean Figgins s...@labrats.us wrote: On 10/6/10 8:42 AM, Randy Whitney wrote: As I am reading through Matt's notes since I cannot attend NANOG in person this time, I'm pondering whether it may make sense in the future for NewNOG to set aside budget to employ stenographers to cover at least the plenary of the conference. Matt has done an admirable job over the past few years volunteering to do this, but perhaps there might be some way to lift this burden from him? I would think that we probably need a very good and accurate transcript of any NewNOG community meetings. Even if we did not do this for the NANOG conference, it may be worth the cost for a couple hours. -Sean I guess I miss the point. When I can go to nanog.org/meetings/nanog49/agenda.php and watch and listen to the full meeting, why would I need a transcopt? If you didn't watch it live, then it's a quick way to scan through to see if you missed anything interesting (sometimes slides != what's discussed). For the community meetings I suspect these will evolve into NewNOG member meetings which should probably be minuted like any other not-for-profit. -- kris ___ Nanog-futures mailing list Nanog-futures@nanog.org https://mailman.nanog.org/mailman/listinfo/nanog-futures
Re: [Nanog-futures] Stenographers for Future NANOGs?
From: Bill Woodcock wo...@pch.net Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2010 14:10:59 -0700 I guess I miss the point. When I can go to nanog.org/meetings/nanog49/agenda.php and watch and listen to the full meeting, why would I need a transcopt? If you didn't watch it live, then it's a quick way to scan through to see if you missed anything interesting (sometimes slides != what's discussed). Also, transcripts are search-engine indexible. This is the first GOOD reason for a transcript! Thanks, Bill. I still suspect it would be cheaper to have a transcript generated from the recording after the meeting than to have a stenographer at the meeting, but I do see this as a significant benefit to a written transcript. -- R. Kevin Oberman, Network Engineer Energy Sciences Network (ESnet) Ernest O. Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory (Berkeley Lab) E-mail: ober...@es.net Phone: +1 510 486-8634 Key fingerprint:059B 2DDF 031C 9BA3 14A4 EADA 927D EBB3 987B 3751 ___ Nanog-futures mailing list Nanog-futures@nanog.org https://mailman.nanog.org/mailman/listinfo/nanog-futures
Re: [Nanog-futures] Stenographers for Future NANOGs?
On 10/6/10 3:51 PM, Rich Kulawiec wrote: it thus may be better for the position of recording secretary to exist and to be charged with producing just such transcripts. (Which should be reviewed by attendees and marked up with their corrections -- that is, in a fashion which shows who corrected what. This [mostly] removes the room for future allegations that X said blah blah in a meeting but then subsequently (ab)used the correction process to change it.) Perhaps the meeting is recorded both audio and video and everyone announces who they are, so that a transcript can be later created/corrected before being published? I used to do this for a student organization many moons ago, and would make audio recordings on a personal cassette that I got from the student store. This was long before laptops were common. I would jot down notes during the meeting as to who said what, and then write the meeting minutes/transcript from memory and reviewing the recording afterward. It should be easier now... -Sean ___ Nanog-futures mailing list Nanog-futures@nanog.org https://mailman.nanog.org/mailman/listinfo/nanog-futures
Re: [Nanog-futures] Stenographers for Future NANOGs?
Date: Wed, 06 Oct 2010 15:35:29 -0600 From: Sean Figgins s...@labrats.us On 10/6/10 2:50 PM, Kevin Oberman wrote: I guess I miss the point. When I can go to nanog.org/meetings/nanog49/agenda.php and watch and listen to the full meeting, why would I need a transcopt? Not everyone can make the community meeting. The community meeting is not always broadcast. Not everyone will be able to understand who is asking what question. For the general conference, I agree that it does not always need to have transcripts. But as the community meeting is likely the place where corporate business is being discussed, this needs to be reviewable at a later date I do not know it this is a legal requirement at all, but I know that most incorporated organizations I have participated in have pretty decent transcripts or minutes from their business meetings. I don't quite understand this. The community meeting has been recorded for the past 3 years (9 meetings). I would think that the recording would both meet legal requirements and allow a transcript to be made later. At most, we might need a recording secretary to take notes, but this does not require a stenographer. Matt does an excellent job of it now and getting someone to take notes for pay would still be far less expensive that hiring a stenographer. -- R. Kevin Oberman, Network Engineer Energy Sciences Network (ESnet) Ernest O. Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory (Berkeley Lab) E-mail: ober...@es.net Phone: +1 510 486-8634 Key fingerprint:059B 2DDF 031C 9BA3 14A4 EADA 927D EBB3 987B 3751 ___ Nanog-futures mailing list Nanog-futures@nanog.org https://mailman.nanog.org/mailman/listinfo/nanog-futures
