Re: [neonixie-l] IN-18 new for sale

[Bill Notfaded]

Thanks Paul I'd definitely want in 4sure!

On Thu, Apr 25, 2019, 8:25 PM Paul Andrews  wrote:

> I’m not going to make another run. Someone on here is having some boards
> made. I’ll ping him and see if he will have some spare. If not, you can get
> some made here
> https://www.pcbway.com/project/shareproject/ITS1A_clock_boards.html
>
>
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> *From: *Bill Notfaded 
> *Sent: *Thursday, April 25, 2019 10:37 PM
> *To: *neonixie-l 
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>
>
> Have you got any of your ITS1A Clock boards or though of ever doing them
> again too?  After reading everything about thyratrons and your experience
> now I gotta have one too.  I like your site and your philosophy.  The open
> source aspect is 100% legit Paul.  I like neopixel in the pic... It looks
> good like that on the 18.  I can't stop thinking about those colors on the
> side angles from the thyratrons...
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RE: [neonixie-l] IN-18 new for sale

[Paul Andrews]

I’m not going to make another run. Someone on here is having some boards made. 
I’ll ping him and see if he will have some spare. If not, you can get some made 
here https://www.pcbway.com/project/shareproject/ITS1A_clock_boards.html

From: Bill Notfaded
Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2019 10:37 PM
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Subject: Re: [neonixie-l] IN-18 new for sale

Have you got any of your ITS1A Clock boards or though of ever doing them again 
too?  After reading everything about thyratrons and your experience now I gotta 
have one too.  I like your site and your philosophy.  The open source aspect is 
100% legit Paul.  I like neopixel in the pic... It looks good like that on the 
18.  I can't stop thinking about those colors on the side angles from the 
thyratrons...

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Re: [neonixie-l] Tube database?

[Bill Notfaded]

nixiebase works...

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Re: [neonixie-l] Tube database?

[Bill Notfaded]

Makes me think "All your base are belong to us"...  And that's some serious 
retro stuff when you go there...


"All your base are belong to us" was a popular Internet meme based on a broken 
English phrase found in the opening cutscene of the 1992 Mega Drive port of the 
1989 arcade video game Zero Wing. The quote comes from the European release of 
the game, featuring poor English translations of the original Japanese version.

All your "Nixiebase are belong to us"... Whoa that's some heavy geek stuff 
right there!

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Re: [neonixie-l] Re: Nixie Socket for B5971 & B8971

[Bill Notfaded]

Japanese made really nice tubes... I recently acquired some Micronata 
multimeters that I've been cleaning up nice.  They just don't make things like 
that anymore.  I'll ping you direct about the tubes later.

B

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Re: [neonixie-l] Re: Nixie Socket for B5971 & B8971

[Bill Notfaded]

I concur Greg my emerald is a keeper... I can't wait until Michail and team get 
our baby 5971's smartsockets going too! I'll make some video of the whole 
family together.  ;^}

I'm working on a bigger 7971 array with Taylor ss and a raspberry pi3 front end 
so I can sky is limit interface to the array connected to the net.

Bill

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Re: [neonixie-l] IN-18 new for sale

[Bill Notfaded]

Have you got any of your ITS1A Clock boards or though of ever doing them again 
too?  After reading everything about thyratrons and your experience now I gotta 
have one too.  I like your site and your philosophy.  The open source aspect is 
100% legit Paul.  I like neopixel in the pic... It looks good like that on the 
18.  I can't stop thinking about those colors on the side angles from the 
thyratrons...

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Re: [neonixie-l] Tube database?

[Mac Doktor]

> On Apr 25, 2019, at 9:29 PM, martin martin  wrote:
> 
> I vote for NixieBase . It needs a logo.  I suggest the original Burroughs 
> front view.  Maybe even animated?

I can vectorize a bitmapped image if anyone has something suitable.


Terry Bowman, KA4HJH
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Re: [neonixie-l] Tube database?

[martin martin]

I vote for NixieBase . It needs a logo.  I suggest the original Burroughs
front view.  Maybe even animated?



On Thu, Apr 25, 2019 at 6:26 PM Mac Doktor  wrote:

> Before going any further, what shall we call this project? "NixieBase" is
> the first thing that pops into my mind. Any better suggestions? Does
> GoogleGroups have a poll feature?
>
>
> On Apr 25, 2019, at 7:16 AM, Bill Notfaded  wrote:
>
> Also the database won't be complex or large enough to really require any
> serious normalization.  I'd make the primary key something like the model
> number of the tube and just be done with it.
>
>
> Exactly. Jonathan and I had a private conversation before he started this
> thread. In his words:
>
> ...we would need to implement a phonetic search or look up table. Take
> example "ZM 1020" tube. If you ask 10 people, you would probably get
> "ZM1020, ZM-1020, ZM 1020, ZM10-20, ZM 10 20" as an input which would hide
> some searches.
>
>
> Not to mention allowing lowercase letters for the convenience of those who
> can't touch-type.
>
> There's a free eBay search app called "AuctionSieve" (works on all
> platforms—check it out). You perform an ordinary eBay search and then
> refine the results by double-clicking words in auction headings and adding
> them to a "Catch Word" list or a "Trash Word" list. It's just like refining
> a search on eBay itself but without all the typing and reloading. Lightning
> fast by comparison, almost painless.
>
> This might be the solution. Start with a basic query based on the model
> number and then let the user narrow the results down.
>
> Perhaps there are other, better ways I'm unfamiliar with (I know just
> enough to be dangerous). I'm hoping to learn a great deal more by the time
> "NixieBase" goes live.
>
>
> On Apr 25, 2019, at 6:57 AM, Joe Croft  wrote:
>
> Not to start a flamewar, but mssql server, like oracle, is way over
> powered and has the other side feature of being 90% complient on it's sql
> syntax. The other 10% you get to learn out the Microsoft way.
>
>
> I had to work with that house of cards VisualFoxPro once. MicroSoft
> shafted me. The less said the better...
>
>
> Terry Bowman, KA4HJH
> "The Mac Doctor"
>
> Nately: "...it's better to die on your feet, than to live on your knees."
> Old Man: "You have it backwards: it is better to live on your feet, than
> to die on your knees."—*Catch-22*
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Re: [neonixie-l] Tube database?

[Mac Doktor]

Before going any further, what shall we call this project? "NixieBase" is the 
first thing that pops into my mind. Any better suggestions? Does GoogleGroups 
have a poll feature?


> On Apr 25, 2019, at 7:16 AM, Bill Notfaded  wrote:
> 
> Also the database won't be complex or large enough to really require any 
> serious normalization.  I'd make the primary key something like the model 
> number of the tube and just be done with it.

Exactly. Jonathan and I had a private conversation before he started this 
thread. In his words:

...we would need to implement a phonetic search or look up table. Take example 
"ZM 1020" tube. If you ask 10 people, you would probably get "ZM1020, ZM-1020, 
ZM 1020, ZM10-20, ZM 10 20" as an input which would hide some searches.

Not to mention allowing lowercase letters for the convenience of those who 
can't touch-type.

There's a free eBay search app called "AuctionSieve" (works on all 
platforms—check it out). You perform an ordinary eBay search and then refine 
the results by double-clicking words in auction headings and adding them to a 
"Catch Word" list or a "Trash Word" list. It's just like refining a search on 
eBay itself but without all the typing and reloading. Lightning fast by 
comparison, almost painless.

This might be the solution. Start with a basic query based on the model number 
and then let the user narrow the results down.

Perhaps there are other, better ways I'm unfamiliar with (I know just enough to 
be dangerous). I'm hoping to learn a great deal more by the time "NixieBase" 
goes live.


> On Apr 25, 2019, at 6:57 AM, Joe Croft  wrote:
> 
> Not to start a flamewar, but mssql server, like oracle, is way over powered 
> and has the other side feature of being 90% complient on it's sql syntax. The 
> other 10% you get to learn out the Microsoft way.

I had to work with that house of cards VisualFoxPro once. MicroSoft shafted me. 
The less said the better...


Terry Bowman, KA4HJH
"The Mac Doctor"

Nately: "...it's better to die on your feet, than to live on your knees."
Old Man: "You have it backwards: it is better to live on your feet, than to die 
on your knees."—Catch-22

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RE: [neonixie-l] Re: Nixie Socket for B5971 & B8971

[Michail Wilson]

Two sets on ebay now.   5971   (same seller)

https://www.ebay.com/itm/NL5971-B5971-B-5971-Alphanumeric-Nixie-Tubes-6-pcs-NOS-NIB-MOD-SIX-Clock-/264286773379

 

 

 

Michail Wilson

206-920-6312

 

From: 'Greg P' via neonixie-l [mailto:neonixie-l@googlegroups.com] 
Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2019 11:40 AM
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My money is the 8971's were made in much smaller numbers.  I've only ever seen 
them sold by one seller, and he's sold out now.  5971's pop up frequently.

 

Glad I got mine when I did and they're glowing proudly in my Black Emerald.

 

 


On Thursday, April 25, 2019 at 8:56:40 AM UTC-4, Bill Notfaded wrote:

I wish someone would sell that many sets of B-8971!  We can dream.  I wonder 
which were made in smaller numbers the 5971 or 8971?

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Re: [neonixie-l] WTB: Looking for dead CD47 (or other very large nixie)

[martin martin]

I have a dead Burroughs 5xxx 1" front view you can have!

On Thu, Apr 25, 2019 at 12:52 PM gregebert  wrote:

> I'm looking for a dead CD47 for my nixie-tube display-case project
> (desktop museum); physical damage is OK though I wont pay as much.
> I have a dead b7971 (cracked glass at the base) already.
>
> Reply privately if you have one you are willing to sell. Thanks in advance.
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[neonixie-l] WTB: Looking for dead CD47 (or other very large nixie)

[gregebert]

I'm looking for a dead CD47 for my nixie-tube display-case project (desktop 
museum); physical damage is OK though I wont pay as much.
I have a dead b7971 (cracked glass at the base) already.

Reply privately if you have one you are willing to sell. Thanks in advance.

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Re: [neonixie-l] Re: Nixie Socket for B5971 & B8971

['Greg P' via neonixie-l]

My money is the 8971's were made in much smaller numbers.  I've only ever 
seen them sold by one seller, and he's sold out now.  5971's pop up 
frequently.

Glad I got mine when I did and they're glowing proudly in my Black Emerald.



On Thursday, April 25, 2019 at 8:56:40 AM UTC-4, Bill Notfaded wrote:
>
> I wish someone would sell that many sets of B-8971!  We can dream.  I 
> wonder which were made in smaller numbers the 5971 or 8971?

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[neonixie-l] Re: IN-18 vs Z5660M

[Paul Andrews]

No they aren't, so I imagine you have to specify which one you want when 
you order it.

On Thursday, April 25, 2019 at 1:43:21 PM UTC-4, M1 wrote:
>
> Decided to take a quick look at clocks.
>
> I see some on ebay that state IN-18/Z5660M clocks.
>
>  
>
> Are the two tubes interchangeable?
>
>  
>
> Michail 
>
>  
>

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[neonixie-l] IN-18 vs Z5660M

[Michail Wilson]

Decided to take a quick look at clocks.

I see some on ebay that state IN-18/Z5660M clocks.

 

Are the two tubes interchangeable?

 

Michail 

 

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Re: [neonixie-l] IN-18 new for sale

[David Pye]

That looks very effective :-)

I usually use the SMD neopixels but have deliberately gone with some THT
designs when I've been designing kits,as people understandably prefer
those...

David

On Thu, 25 Apr 2019 at 16:28, Paul Andrews  wrote:

> On my boards I've mounted a 3.5mm neopixel right behind the nipple (there
> isn't room for a 5mm one). It is still bright enough and the illumination
> looks even. You can see it here https://www.nixies.us/bwg_gallery/in-18/
>
>
> On Thursday, April 25, 2019 at 9:59:24 AM UTC-4, David Pye wrote:
>>
>> For most of the designs that's exactly what I've done, but my thought
>> here was that the glass 'fill nipple' of the IN18 means I'd have to mount
>> off centre, and I wondered if the light might be uneven.
>>
>> But yeah, I think you're right - perhaps I'm just overdoing it ;-)
>>
>> David
>>
>> On Thu, 25 Apr 2019 at 14:58, Paul Andrews  wrote:
>>
>>> Honestly, I think one WS2812B is enough. They are very bright.
>>>
>>> On Thursday, April 25, 2019 at 7:13:39 AM UTC-4, David Pye wrote:

 Hi,

 That's good to know - thank you!

 I am planning some custom-made PCBs with freestanding nixie pins to
 mount them.

 I'll have a look when they arrive and check my KiCAD footprints are
 right.

 I'm also planning to bottom-light them with three 5mm WS2812B-alike
 'smart' LEDs per tube.

 David

 On Wed, 24 Apr 2019 at 17:01, gregebert  wrote:

> I have 14 IN-18 tubes running in my clock for a few years now, with no
> failures. *They are a good quality tube*.
>
> Be careful when socketing them, because the pin material is a soft
> metal that bends easily.
> The light surface corrosion on the pins is harmless, and I dont
> recommend trying to clean it off.
> The one exception I've see is an IN-18 manufactured in 1977 that has
> stiff corrosion-resistant pins.
> I've never observed any glowing bondwires, or blue dots.
>
> Keep an eye out for cathode poisoning, because it has happened to me
> on a few tubes, BUT it has always been 100% recoverable at nominal 
> current.
>
> The cathode poisoning is entirely my fault because the month and year
> display tubes are basically static. Even though I run a nightly 
> depoisoning
> sequence for 1 hour, some tubes slowly got poisoned anyways. All I did was
> swap sockets, and after a few days the problem was gone.
>
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Re: [neonixie-l] IN-18 new for sale

[Paul Andrews]

On my boards I've mounted a 3.5mm neopixel right behind the nipple (there 
isn't room for a 5mm one). It is still bright enough and the illumination 
looks even. You can see it here https://www.nixies.us/bwg_gallery/in-18/


On Thursday, April 25, 2019 at 9:59:24 AM UTC-4, David Pye wrote:
>
> For most of the designs that's exactly what I've done, but my thought here 
> was that the glass 'fill nipple' of the IN18 means I'd have to mount off 
> centre, and I wondered if the light might be uneven.
>
> But yeah, I think you're right - perhaps I'm just overdoing it ;-)
>
> David
>
> On Thu, 25 Apr 2019 at 14:58, Paul Andrews > 
> wrote:
>
>> Honestly, I think one WS2812B is enough. They are very bright.
>>
>> On Thursday, April 25, 2019 at 7:13:39 AM UTC-4, David Pye wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> That's good to know - thank you!
>>>
>>> I am planning some custom-made PCBs with freestanding nixie pins to 
>>> mount them.
>>>
>>> I'll have a look when they arrive and check my KiCAD footprints are 
>>> right.
>>>
>>> I'm also planning to bottom-light them with three 5mm WS2812B-alike 
>>> 'smart' LEDs per tube.
>>>
>>> David
>>>
>>> On Wed, 24 Apr 2019 at 17:01, gregebert  wrote:
>>>
 I have 14 IN-18 tubes running in my clock for a few years now, with no 
 failures. *They are a good quality tube*.

 Be careful when socketing them, because the pin material is a soft 
 metal that bends easily.
 The light surface corrosion on the pins is harmless, and I dont 
 recommend trying to clean it off.
 The one exception I've see is an IN-18 manufactured in 1977 that has 
 stiff corrosion-resistant pins.
 I've never observed any glowing bondwires, or blue dots.

 Keep an eye out for cathode poisoning, because it has happened to me on 
 a few tubes, BUT it has always been 100% recoverable at nominal current.

 The cathode poisoning is entirely my fault because the month and year 
 display tubes are basically static. Even though I run a nightly 
 depoisoning 
 sequence for 1 hour, some tubes slowly got poisoned anyways. All I did was 
 swap sockets, and after a few days the problem was gone.


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Re: [neonixie-l] IN-18 new for sale

[David Pye]

For most of the designs that's exactly what I've done, but my thought here
was that the glass 'fill nipple' of the IN18 means I'd have to mount off
centre, and I wondered if the light might be uneven.

But yeah, I think you're right - perhaps I'm just overdoing it ;-)

David

On Thu, 25 Apr 2019 at 14:58, Paul Andrews  wrote:

> Honestly, I think one WS2812B is enough. They are very bright.
>
> On Thursday, April 25, 2019 at 7:13:39 AM UTC-4, David Pye wrote:
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> That's good to know - thank you!
>>
>> I am planning some custom-made PCBs with freestanding nixie pins to mount
>> them.
>>
>> I'll have a look when they arrive and check my KiCAD footprints are right.
>>
>> I'm also planning to bottom-light them with three 5mm WS2812B-alike
>> 'smart' LEDs per tube.
>>
>> David
>>
>> On Wed, 24 Apr 2019 at 17:01, gregebert  wrote:
>>
>>> I have 14 IN-18 tubes running in my clock for a few years now, with no
>>> failures. *They are a good quality tube*.
>>>
>>> Be careful when socketing them, because the pin material is a soft metal
>>> that bends easily.
>>> The light surface corrosion on the pins is harmless, and I dont
>>> recommend trying to clean it off.
>>> The one exception I've see is an IN-18 manufactured in 1977 that has
>>> stiff corrosion-resistant pins.
>>> I've never observed any glowing bondwires, or blue dots.
>>>
>>> Keep an eye out for cathode poisoning, because it has happened to me on
>>> a few tubes, BUT it has always been 100% recoverable at nominal current.
>>>
>>> The cathode poisoning is entirely my fault because the month and year
>>> display tubes are basically static. Even though I run a nightly depoisoning
>>> sequence for 1 hour, some tubes slowly got poisoned anyways. All I did was
>>> swap sockets, and after a few days the problem was gone.
>>>
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Re: [neonixie-l] IN-18 new for sale

[Paul Andrews]

Honestly, I think one WS2812B is enough. They are very bright.

On Thursday, April 25, 2019 at 7:13:39 AM UTC-4, David Pye wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> That's good to know - thank you!
>
> I am planning some custom-made PCBs with freestanding nixie pins to mount 
> them.
>
> I'll have a look when they arrive and check my KiCAD footprints are right.
>
> I'm also planning to bottom-light them with three 5mm WS2812B-alike 
> 'smart' LEDs per tube.
>
> David
>
> On Wed, 24 Apr 2019 at 17:01, gregebert > 
> wrote:
>
>> I have 14 IN-18 tubes running in my clock for a few years now, with no 
>> failures. *They are a good quality tube*.
>>
>> Be careful when socketing them, because the pin material is a soft metal 
>> that bends easily.
>> The light surface corrosion on the pins is harmless, and I dont recommend 
>> trying to clean it off.
>> The one exception I've see is an IN-18 manufactured in 1977 that has 
>> stiff corrosion-resistant pins.
>> I've never observed any glowing bondwires, or blue dots.
>>
>> Keep an eye out for cathode poisoning, because it has happened to me on a 
>> few tubes, BUT it has always been 100% recoverable at nominal current.
>>
>> The cathode poisoning is entirely my fault because the month and year 
>> display tubes are basically static. Even though I run a nightly depoisoning 
>> sequence for 1 hour, some tubes slowly got poisoned anyways. All I did was 
>> swap sockets, and after a few days the problem was gone.
>>
>>
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Re: [neonixie-l] Re: Nixie Socket for B5971 & B8971

[martin martin]

I have a box of B-5750s.  They are tiny and clear.  Need any?  Burroughs
made in Japan in '68

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> I wish someone would sell that many sets of B-8971!  We can dream.  I
> wonder which were made in smaller numbers the 5971 or 8971?
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RE: [neonixie-l] Re: Nixie Socket for B5971 & B8971

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I wish someone would sell that many sets of B-8971!  We can dream.  I wonder 
which were made in smaller numbers the 5971 or 8971?

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Re: [neonixie-l] Tube database?

[Bill Notfaded]

I pretty much concur with Joe.  Postgres is more open source for
Enterprise.  For a little website MySQL would be fine... You won't need
things postgres has like clustering etc.

Also the database won't be complex or large enough to really require any
serious normalization.  I'd make the primary key something like the model
number of the tube and just be done with it.  The hosting part is more
about choice and price.

Also if you make it a VM, or even a container, it'll be really easy to
change hosting provider later if you want to change... or end up not liking
them.

Bill

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Re: [neonixie-l] IN-18 new for sale

[David Pye]

Hi,

That's good to know - thank you!

I am planning some custom-made PCBs with freestanding nixie pins to mount
them.

I'll have a look when they arrive and check my KiCAD footprints are right.

I'm also planning to bottom-light them with three 5mm WS2812B-alike 'smart'
LEDs per tube.

David

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> I have 14 IN-18 tubes running in my clock for a few years now, with no
> failures. *They are a good quality tube*.
>
> Be careful when socketing them, because the pin material is a soft metal
> that bends easily.
> The light surface corrosion on the pins is harmless, and I dont recommend
> trying to clean it off.
> The one exception I've see is an IN-18 manufactured in 1977 that has stiff
> corrosion-resistant pins.
> I've never observed any glowing bondwires, or blue dots.
>
> Keep an eye out for cathode poisoning, because it has happened to me on a
> few tubes, BUT it has always been 100% recoverable at nominal current.
>
> The cathode poisoning is entirely my fault because the month and year
> display tubes are basically static. Even though I run a nightly depoisoning
> sequence for 1 hour, some tubes slowly got poisoned anyways. All I did was
> swap sockets, and after a few days the problem was gone.
>
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Re: [neonixie-l] Tube database?

[Joe Croft]

Dreamhost is a great place, I have used them for years. They have a lot of 
options for building web sites. As for databases I'll take them in the order od 
Postgresql, Mysql or if I don't need the power of a server (90% case) sqlite 
(www.sqlite3.org). The latter is very easy to use from within perl or python.

In all caes of a database, the issue ifs rarely the data (though if its complex 
you do have to figure out lay it out), but in the entry of the data. Nobody 
thinks about that until it's too late.

Not to start a flamewar, but mssql server, like oracle, is way over powered and 
has the other side feature of being 90% complient on it's sql syntax. The other 
10% you get to learn out the Microsoft way.

-joe


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> Don't get me wrong I really wasn't suggesting GoDaddy but it's local here
> and someone people have heard of before.  Lol it always makes me think of
> Danika Patrick.
> 
> Bill
> 
> 
> On Wed, Apr 24, 2019, 8:24 PM Nick  wrote:
> 
> > I have sites hosted on GoDaddy and find them very slow.
> >
> > I also have sites on Digital Ocean (DO) who I find both cheap and
> > extremely fast. I'm moving all my sites across. DO is more "raw" in that
> > you generally don't get cpanel, i.e. just raw Linux plus whatever you want
> > to run on it, but it's very quick even for the lowest virtual server
> > ("droplet") options. GoDaddy is painful by comparison. DO is for techies...
> >
> > If you want cpanel etc. at a good price and very very fast, try
> > SiteGround, who are again far faster than GoDaddy (IMHO).
> >
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RE: [neonixie-l] Re: Nixie Socket for B5971 & B8971

[Michail Wilson]

That guy on ebay posted another two sets.

 

https://www.ebay.com/itm/NL5971-B5971-B-5971-Alphanumeric-Nixie-Tubes-6-pcs-NOS-NIB-MOD-SIX-Clock/264286773379

 

Michail 

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[neonixie-l] Re: Nixie Socket for B5971 & B8971

[Marcin Saj]

Thank you Phil,
I will contact you if I could not find working tube.

W dniu środa, 24 kwietnia 2019 03:23:05 UTC+2 użytkownik Phil napisał:
>
> I have a defective (glass and base intact, but outgassed) B8971 you can 
> have. Will that help?
>
> Phil Zucarelli
>

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