Re: [neonixie-l] Anyone purchased one of these clocks?

[Dan Schnur]

As for the ones on nixieclock.biz , they look o be a 
light step up because of more programming ports, but it’s the same identical 
architure.   Perhaps a different controller, a slightly less dodgy power 
supply, and so on.

I’ver looked at kits and all I can find are some pretty simple ideas of what to 
do when I build my one clock that won’t Cath fire when I turns on.

The one I would save up for is from: https://www.daliborfarny.com/. At least it 
won’t burn down you house.  Or build your own .  They are not that hard to do.

> On Dec 12, 2022, at 10:58 PM, gregebert  wrote:
> 
> I dont know how anyone could sell it for so cheap; the components cost more 
> than 25USD. Yet, there it is.
> I bought a similarly-cheap edge-lit clock last year (well, OK 38USD including 
> shipping, and it's 6 digits). It's kept accurate time and puts on quite a 
> light-show. 
> 
> On Monday, December 12, 2022 at 8:19:07 PM UTC-8 Richard Scales wrote:
>> From the pictures I would say that it does use pin sockets therefore I would 
>> expect them to be included.
>> 
>> The evidence being that A) - you can just see them in the top view of the 
>> clock and B) the holes on the PCB look too small for the pins on IN-12 tubes.
>> 
>> ... though for $25.38 including shipping - who knows what you'll end up with!
>> 
>> For my money - if I was looking for a pre manufactured board then I would 
>> look no further than here: https://www.nixieclock.biz/StoreMNC6.html
>> 
>> OK, no case, 6 digits and not IN-12 but you are getting a feature rich well 
>> designed clock from a respected supplier. He does have a kit for 4 digits of 
>> IN-12 but you would need to assemble that yourself.
>> 
>> - Richard
>> 
>> 
>> On Tuesday, 13 December 2022 at 03:15:01 UTC Terry S wrote:
>>> https://www.ebay.com/itm/314168311777
>>> 
>>> Many sellers on ebay.
>>> 
>>> Does it come with pins for the tubes?
>>> 
>>> Terry
> 
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[neonixie-l] Re: Anyone purchased one of these clocks?

[gregebert]

I dont know how anyone could sell it for so cheap; the components cost more 
than 25USD. Yet, there it is.
I bought a similarly-cheap edge-lit clock last year (well, OK 38USD 
including shipping, and it's 6 digits). It's kept accurate time and puts on 
quite a light-show. 

On Monday, December 12, 2022 at 8:19:07 PM UTC-8 Richard Scales wrote:

> From the pictures I would say that it does use pin sockets therefore I 
> would expect them to be included.
>
> The evidence being that A) - you can just see them in the top view of the 
> clock and B) the holes on the PCB look too small for the pins on IN-12 
> tubes.
>
> ... though for $25.38 including shipping - who knows what you'll end up 
> with!
>
> For my money - if I was looking for a pre manufactured board then I would 
> look no further than here: https://www.nixieclock.biz/StoreMNC6.html
>
> OK, no case, 6 digits and not IN-12 but you are getting a feature rich 
> well designed clock from a respected supplier. He does have a kit for 4 
> digits of IN-12 but you would need to assemble that yourself.
>
> - Richard
>
>
> On Tuesday, 13 December 2022 at 03:15:01 UTC Terry S wrote:
>
>> https://www.ebay.com/itm/314168311777
>>
>> Many sellers on ebay.
>>
>> Does it come with pins for the tubes?
>>
>> Terry
>>
>

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Re: [neonixie-l] Anyone purchased one of these clocks?

[Dan Schnur]

It looks pretty basic.  It uses a STM8 microcontroller with a ds3231 RTC, an 
old school method of implementing a 40 bit shift register made up the old 
school way (32 bits for digits, 2 extra for the colon and a few flapping in the 
breeze), the usb port is only there to supply power. D+ and D- (and ID) are 
*really* close to the ground plane if not outright shorted to it.  The buttons 
are on the same board as high voltage with lots of ground plainy goodness to 
make sure any shorts count. No idea how thick the PCB is, though they are using 
a larger via size, so it’s probably a thin board, or the designer got lucky…

I’d say it’s a perfect example of what not to buy.

 -Dan

> On Dec 12, 2022, at 8:15 PM, Terry S  wrote:
> 
> https://www.ebay.com/itm/314168311777
> 
> Many sellers on ebay.
> 
> Does it come with pins for the tubes?
> 
> Terry
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Re: [neonixie-l] flicker-flame lamps

[Dan Schnur]

A small amount of ammonia is added to these bulbs for keeping the arc from 
covering the entire anode and cathode. The arc is smaller than the anode or 
cathode so it tends to jump all over the surfaces making the flicker you see.

> On Dec 12, 2022, at 3:28 PM, Adrian Godwin  wrote:
> 
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nyYjnV99wfM
> 
> Anyone able to answer how these lamps work and why they're so unstable ? The 
> answer by 'Butanik' sounds plausible but IANAP (I am not a physicist). 
> 
> -adrian
> 
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[neonixie-l] Re: Anyone purchased one of these clocks?

[Richard Scales]

>From the pictures I would say that it does use pin sockets therefore I 
would expect them to be included.

The evidence being that A) - you can just see them in the top view of the 
clock and B) the holes on the PCB look too small for the pins on IN-12 
tubes.

... though for $25.38 including shipping - who knows what you'll end up 
with!

For my money - if I was looking for a pre manufactured board then I would 
look no further than here: https://www.nixieclock.biz/StoreMNC6.html

OK, no case, 6 digits and not IN-12 but you are getting a feature rich well 
designed clock from a respected supplier. He does have a kit for 4 digits 
of IN-12 but you would need to assemble that yourself.

- Richard


On Tuesday, 13 December 2022 at 03:15:01 UTC Terry S wrote:

> https://www.ebay.com/itm/314168311777
>
> Many sellers on ebay.
>
> Does it come with pins for the tubes?
>
> Terry
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Re: [neonixie-l] Jeff's Nixie watch parts layout or schematic?

[David Forbes]

Thanks for posting this! It's not everything needed to figure out the parts
placement, but the schematic diagram is a big step forward.
Good photos or scans of both sides of the bare PC board are needed to
figure out which parts go where.


On Mon, Dec 12, 2022 at 7:47 PM Thugwold  wrote:

> Long time lurker here.
>
> The google drive link below has pictures that may be of use.
>
> I can remove the plastic cover to shoot better pictures of the watch guts
> if that would help.
>
>
> https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1yGiYKxxQ15NFdqX2N2uRiX4LG9AUKCxS?usp=sharing
>
> On Monday, December 12, 2022 at 2:26:17 PM UTC-6 d...@schnur.org wrote:
>
>> Found it.  Thank you!  Metalized Polyester Film Capacitors.
>>
>> There was an issue with the original parts on the schematics.  This was
>> what Jeff did to fix the problem when I brought it to him.
>>
>>  -Dan
>>
>> On Dec 12, 2022, at 1:01 PM, Mac Doktor  wrote:
>>
>>
>> On Dec 12, 2022, at 2:37 PM, Dan Schnur  wrote:
>>
>> I think the schematic you have is for the original Nixieclock that Jeff
>> made too.   In 2000, he made 6 of them to give to friends and clients.   I
>> have 5 of 5 (of 6.). Note the replacement resistors he added later.   Can
>> anyone identify them.  The big yellow things as pictured.
>>
>>
>> They look rather like mylar caps and have a rating of 250V. Perhaps 2k2 =
>> 2200pF?
>>
>>
>> Terry Bowman, KA4HJH
>> "The Mac Doctor"
>>
>> https://www.astarcloseup.com
>>
>> “...the book said something astonishing, a very big thought. The stars,
>> it said, were suns but very far away. The Sun was a star but close
>> up.”—Carl Sagan, "The Backbone Of Night", *Cosmos*, 1980
>>
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[neonixie-l] Anyone purchased one of these clocks?

[Terry S]

https://www.ebay.com/itm/314168311777

Many sellers on ebay.

Does it come with pins for the tubes?

Terry

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Re: [neonixie-l] Jeff's Nixie watch parts layout or schematic?

[Thugwold]

Long time lurker here.

The google drive link below has pictures that may be of use.

I can remove the plastic cover to shoot better pictures of the watch guts 
if that would help.

https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1yGiYKxxQ15NFdqX2N2uRiX4LG9AUKCxS?usp=sharing

On Monday, December 12, 2022 at 2:26:17 PM UTC-6 d...@schnur.org wrote:

> Found it.  Thank you!  Metalized Polyester Film Capacitors.  
>
> There was an issue with the original parts on the schematics.  This was 
> what Jeff did to fix the problem when I brought it to him.
>
>  -Dan
>
> On Dec 12, 2022, at 1:01 PM, Mac Doktor  wrote:
>
>
> On Dec 12, 2022, at 2:37 PM, Dan Schnur  wrote:
>
> I think the schematic you have is for the original Nixieclock that Jeff 
> made too.   In 2000, he made 6 of them to give to friends and clients.   I 
> have 5 of 5 (of 6.). Note the replacement resistors he added later.   Can 
> anyone identify them.  The big yellow things as pictured.
>
>
> They look rather like mylar caps and have a rating of 250V. Perhaps 2k2 = 
> 2200pF?
>
>
> Terry Bowman, KA4HJH
> "The Mac Doctor"
>
> https://www.astarcloseup.com
>
> “...the book said something astonishing, a very big thought. The stars, it 
> said, were suns but very far away. The Sun was a star but close up.”—Carl 
> Sagan, "The Backbone Of Night", *Cosmos*, 1980
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RE: [neonixie-l] flicker-flame lamps

[theoldphart2]

I was told (as the guy in the video also discusses) it is the same effect as 
what is called a “Jacob’s Ladder”, the effect introduced by local gas pressure 
changes due to the heat produces by the arc. The flicker lamp is designed to 
let it happen, rather than preventing it.

 

Bill v

 

From: neonixie-l@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
Adrian Godwin
Sent: Monday, December 12, 2022 5:28 PM
To: neonixie-l 
Subject: [neonixie-l] flicker-flame lamps

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nyYjnV99wfM

 

Anyone able to answer how these lamps work and why they're so unstable ? The 
answer by 'Butanik' sounds plausible but IANAP (I am not a physicist). 

 

-adrian

 

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Re: [neonixie-l] flicker-flame lamps

[Jasper nagle]

my guess is some sort of oxide layer put during the manufacturing process

On Mon, Dec 12, 2022 at 10:28 PM Adrian Godwin  wrote:

> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nyYjnV99wfM
>
> Anyone able to answer how these lamps work and why they're so unstable ?
> The answer by 'Butanik' sounds plausible but IANAP (I am not a physicist).
>
> -adrian
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[neonixie-l] flicker-flame lamps

[Adrian Godwin]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nyYjnV99wfM

Anyone able to answer how these lamps work and why they're so unstable ?
The answer by 'Butanik' sounds plausible but IANAP (I am not a physicist).

-adrian

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Re: [neonixie-l] Jeff's Nixie watch parts layout or schematic?

[Dan Schnur]

Found it.  Thank you!  Metalized Polyester Film Capacitors.  

There was an issue with the original parts on the schematics.  This was what 
Jeff did to fix the problem when I brought it to him.

 -Dan

> On Dec 12, 2022, at 1:01 PM, Mac Doktor  wrote:
> 
> 
>> On Dec 12, 2022, at 2:37 PM, Dan Schnur > > wrote:
>> 
>> I think the schematic you have is for the original Nixieclock that Jeff made 
>> too.   In 2000, he made 6 of them to give to friends and clients.   I have 5 
>> of 5 (of 6.). Note the replacement resistors he added later.   Can anyone 
>> identify them.  The big yellow things as pictured.
> 
> 
> They look rather like mylar caps and have a rating of 250V. Perhaps 2k2 = 
> 2200pF?
> 
> 
> Terry Bowman, KA4HJH
> "The Mac Doctor"
> 
> https://www.astarcloseup.com 
> 
> “...the book said something astonishing, a very big thought. The stars, it 
> said, were suns but very far away. The Sun was a star but close up.”—Carl 
> Sagan, "The Backbone Of Night", Cosmos, 1980
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Re: [neonixie-l] Jeff's Nixie watch parts layout or schematic?

[Mac Doktor]

> On Dec 12, 2022, at 2:37 PM, Dan Schnur  wrote:
> 
> I think the schematic you have is for the original Nixieclock that Jeff made 
> too.   In 2000, he made 6 of them to give to friends and clients.   I have 5 
> of 5 (of 6.). Note the replacement resistors he added later.   Can anyone 
> identify them.  The big yellow things as pictured.


They look rather like mylar caps and have a rating of 250V. Perhaps 2k2 = 
2200pF?


Terry Bowman, KA4HJH
"The Mac Doctor"

https://www.astarcloseup.com

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said, were suns but very far away. The Sun was a star but close up.”—Carl 
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Re: [neonixie-l] Jeff's Nixie watch parts layout or schematic?

[Dan Schnur]

Jeff’s son Christian is an engineer now and if anyone would have what you need, 
it’s probably him.  The contact info on his web site is: 
christ...@thomasnixie.com 

Hope this helps.

 -Dan

> On Dec 12, 2022, at 9:41 AM, David Forbes  wrote:
> 
> Rob,
> I looked around some more, and I found the Mike Harrison schematic from the 
> year 2000 upon which Jeff based his design. It has a different timebase and 
> power supply, but the clock and time setting logic with the 4017 chips should 
> be the same. If you send clear photos or scans of the blank PC board (both 
> sides) and a list of the parts that you have to david at cathodecorner dot 
> com, I can try to piece together the puzzle of which parts go where. 
> 
> http://www.electricstuff.co.uk/nixcct.pdf
> 
> 
> On Mon, Aug 29, 2022 at 7:09 PM Rob Bailey  > wrote:
>> Ages ago, I purchased Jeff's Krusty Klown nixie watch kit [two, in fact]:
>> 
>> http://www.nixie.dk/~jthomas/watch.html
>> 
>> Of all parts of a kit to lose, I lost the paperwork [i.e., schematic and, 
>> critically, the parts placement guide]. I was able to contact the project 
>> owner, but he said he no longer had any of the documentation [!]. I'd like 
>> to build the kits, bit I'm at the mercy of guesswork, which I'd obviously 
>> like to avoid.
>> 
>> Does anyone know where I can track that parts placement sheet down, or 
>> better yet have one that I can grab a scan of?
>> 
>> Thanks!
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RE: [neonixie-l] Jeff's Nixie watch parts layout or schematic?

[Michail Wilson]

Rob,

Sounds like you got the best person willing to help.  Great offer David.

Michail

From: neonixie-l@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
David Forbes
Sent: Monday, December 12, 2022 8:42 AM
To: neonixie-l@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [neonixie-l] Jeff's Nixie watch parts layout or schematic?

Rob,
I looked around some more, and I found the Mike Harrison schematic from the 
year 2000 upon which Jeff based his design. It has a different timebase and 
power supply, but the clock and time setting logic with the 4017 chips should 
be the same. If you send clear photos or scans of the blank PC board (both 
sides) and a list of the parts that you have to david at cathodecorner dot com, 
I can try to piece together the puzzle of which parts go where.

http://www.electricstuff.co.uk/nixcct.pdf


On Mon, Aug 29, 2022 at 7:09 PM Rob Bailey 
mailto:bailey.hud...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Ages ago, I purchased Jeff's Krusty Klown nixie watch kit [two, in fact]:

http://www.nixie.dk/~jthomas/watch.html

Of all parts of a kit to lose, I lost the paperwork [i.e., schematic and, 
critically, the parts placement guide]. I was able to contact the project 
owner, but he said he no longer had any of the documentation [!]. I'd like to 
build the kits, bit I'm at the mercy of guesswork, which I'd obviously like to 
avoid.

Does anyone know where I can track that parts placement sheet down, or better 
yet have one that I can grab a scan of?

Thanks!
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Re: [neonixie-l] Jeff's Nixie watch parts layout or schematic?

[David Forbes]

Rob,
I looked around some more, and I found the Mike Harrison schematic from the
year 2000 upon which Jeff based his design. It has a different timebase and
power supply, but the clock and time setting logic with the 4017 chips
should be the same. If you send clear photos or scans of the blank PC board
(both sides) and a list of the parts that you have to david at
cathodecorner dot com, I can try to piece together the puzzle of which
parts go where.

http://www.electricstuff.co.uk/nixcct.pdf


On Mon, Aug 29, 2022 at 7:09 PM Rob Bailey  wrote:

> Ages ago, I purchased Jeff's Krusty Klown nixie watch kit [two, in fact]:
>
> http://www.nixie.dk/~jthomas/watch.html
>
> Of all parts of a kit to lose, I lost the paperwork [i.e., schematic and,
> critically, the parts placement guide]. I was able to contact the project
> owner, but he said he no longer had any of the documentation [!]. I'd like
> to build the kits, bit I'm at the mercy of guesswork, which I'd obviously
> like to avoid.
>
> Does anyone know where I can track that parts placement sheet down, or
> better yet have one that I can grab a scan of?
>
> Thanks!
>
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Re: [neonixie-l] Jeff's Nixie watch parts layout or schematic?

[David Forbes]

Rob
Sorry for not getting back to you sooner. Our telescope startup has been a
real bear this year.
I looked for data files for the Jeff Thomas watch, but didn't find any,
either in my disk archives or my manila folders.
I could probably make that watch run, given the board, the parts and some
time. The web photo of the component side has a lot of useful information,
and the rest can be reverse engineered from the parts available and staring
at the board. Also I'm pretty familiar with the design.



On Mon, Dec 12, 2022, 1:01 AM Rob Bailey  wrote:

> Did anything turn up on the Nixie Watch? I'm about to throw in the towel...
>
> Thanks!
>
> ...R
>
> On Monday, August 29, 2022 at 11:28:49 PM UTC-5 nixiebunny wrote:
>
>> I think I have that information on my home computer. I'll be home Friday.
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Aug 29, 2022, 7:09 PM Rob Bailey  wrote:
>>
>>> Ages ago, I purchased Jeff's Krusty Klown nixie watch kit [two, in fact]:
>>>
>>> http://www.nixie.dk/~jthomas/watch.html
>>>
>>> Of all parts of a kit to lose, I lost the paperwork [i.e., schematic
>>> and, critically, the parts placement guide]. I was able to contact the
>>> project owner, but he said he no longer had any of the documentation [!].
>>> I'd like to build the kits, bit I'm at the mercy of guesswork, which I'd
>>> obviously like to avoid.
>>>
>>> Does anyone know where I can track that parts placement sheet down, or
>>> better yet have one that I can grab a scan of?
>>>
>>> Thanks!
>>>
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Re: [neonixie-l] Re: New oddity

[martin martin]

Yes, I had planned to use the GPS module to make them sync nicely.  Too
many hours on wiring and needed a rest before tackling the GPS.



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On Sun, Dec 11, 2022 at 10:14 PM Richard Scales 
wrote:

> Ah, am I right in thinking those are the multiplexed PV remote kits?
>
> Had you thought about adding a GPS or NTP sync device to give you a hassle
> free method of making both clocks show the exact same time?
>  - Richard
>
>
>
>
> On Sunday, 11 December 2022 at 22:10:09 UTC martin martin wrote:
>
>> Just finished this one.
>> Boards from from PV Electronics
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[neonixie-l] Re: IN-17 Direct Drive Clock

[Robert G. Schaffrath]

I agree. For me my favorites come down to the ZM1020/ZM1022's, Rodan 
GR-111Pa's and IN-17's. I picked up a bunch of NOS IN-17's a few years ago 
just before COVID hit and prices went off the rails. Have not done anything 
with them yet though I would like to make a tiny 6-digit clock. I like 
their small size AND the fact they have a real "5" rather than the inverted 
"5" found in IN-12's and IN-14's.

On Sunday, December 11, 2022 at 10:31:52 AM UTC-5 Keith Moore wrote:

> IN-17's are possibly my favorite nixies. Tough, small, pretty (and can 
> even look okay with LED backlight sometimes!). I love this build. Thanks 
> for sharing! 
>
>>
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RE: [neonixie-l] Jeff's Nixie watch parts layout or schematic?

[Michail Wilson]

I don’t, but hopefully someone has one that they can take closeup pictures of 
and send to you.

Michail Wilson
206-920-6312

From: neonixie-l@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
Rob Bailey
Sent: Monday, December 12, 2022 12:01 AM
To: neonixie-l 
Subject: Re: [neonixie-l] Jeff's Nixie watch parts layout or schematic?

Did anything turn up on the Nixie Watch? I'm about to throw in the towel...

Thanks!

...R
On Monday, August 29, 2022 at 11:28:49 PM UTC-5 nixiebunny wrote:
I think I have that information on my home computer. I'll be home Friday.


On Mon, Aug 29, 2022, 7:09 PM Rob Bailey  wrote:
Ages ago, I purchased Jeff's Krusty Klown nixie watch kit [two, in fact]:

http://www.nixie.dk/~jthomas/watch.html

Of all parts of a kit to lose, I lost the paperwork [i.e., schematic and, 
critically, the parts placement guide]. I was able to contact the project 
owner, but he said he no longer had any of the documentation [!]. I'd like to 
build the kits, bit I'm at the mercy of guesswork, which I'd obviously like to 
avoid.

Does anyone know where I can track that parts placement sheet down, or better 
yet have one that I can grab a scan of?

Thanks!
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Re: [neonixie-l] Jeff's Nixie watch parts layout or schematic?

[Rob Bailey]

Did anything turn up on the Nixie Watch? I'm about to throw in the towel...

Thanks!

...R

On Monday, August 29, 2022 at 11:28:49 PM UTC-5 nixiebunny wrote:

> I think I have that information on my home computer. I'll be home Friday. 
>
>
> On Mon, Aug 29, 2022, 7:09 PM Rob Bailey  wrote:
>
>> Ages ago, I purchased Jeff's Krusty Klown nixie watch kit [two, in fact]:
>>
>> http://www.nixie.dk/~jthomas/watch.html
>>
>> Of all parts of a kit to lose, I lost the paperwork [i.e., schematic and, 
>> critically, the parts placement guide]. I was able to contact the project 
>> owner, but he said he no longer had any of the documentation [!]. I'd like 
>> to build the kits, bit I'm at the mercy of guesswork, which I'd obviously 
>> like to avoid.
>>
>> Does anyone know where I can track that parts placement sheet down, or 
>> better yet have one that I can grab a scan of?
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
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>> 
>> .
>>
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