Re: [neonixie-l] Re: Group librarian wanted...

[Tyler Bourne]

I offered and am ready to do some sorting.

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Re: [neonixie-l] Re: Group librarian wanted...

[Nicholas Stock]

I'm still interested in helping out, but unsure as to who is leading the
charge

On Thu, Sep 19, 2019 at 8:45 PM Terry Kennedy 
wrote:

> On Wednesday, July 24, 2019 at 10:37:49 PM UTC-4, Terry Kennedy wrote:
>>
>> On Wednesday, July 24, 2019 at 8:11:31 AM UTC-4, Nick wrote:
>>>
>>> I have asked Tyler to have a first pass. As Google Drive is mapped to
>>> groups and shares access rights, the intention is to do a master copy here.
>>>
>>> If folk want to shadow it in lots of places, that'd be great - I know I
>>> will!
>>>
>>
>> The Google Drive folder needs to have the "sync" and "syncRoot"
>> properties set to "true" to enable actual synchronizing downloads.
>> Otherwise you get "Provided id is not a sync root directory" errors and you
>> can't sync.
>>
>> I was able to download the whole thing (but not in sync mode, so it isn't
>> updatable via sync and the file timestamps are the downloaded time instead
>> of the real times. If you're allergic to Google Drive or want faster
>> service, take a look at http://www3.ispnet.net/NEONIXIE-L/ - comments
>> welcome. If we get sync enabled, I'll add a banner saying "This is a mirror
>> of the official data located at X, local copy last updated Y" and so on.
>>
>
> Is there still any interest in this project?
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Re: [neonixie-l] Re: Group librarian wanted...

[Terry Kennedy]

On Wednesday, July 24, 2019 at 10:37:49 PM UTC-4, Terry Kennedy wrote:
>
> On Wednesday, July 24, 2019 at 8:11:31 AM UTC-4, Nick wrote:
>>
>> I have asked Tyler to have a first pass. As Google Drive is mapped to 
>> groups and shares access rights, the intention is to do a master copy here.
>>
>> If folk want to shadow it in lots of places, that'd be great - I know I 
>> will!
>>
>
> The Google Drive folder needs to have the "sync" and "syncRoot" properties 
> set to "true" to enable actual synchronizing downloads. Otherwise you get 
> "Provided id is not a sync root directory" errors and you can't sync.
>
> I was able to download the whole thing (but not in sync mode, so it isn't 
> updatable via sync and the file timestamps are the downloaded time instead 
> of the real times. If you're allergic to Google Drive or want faster 
> service, take a look at http://www3.ispnet.net/NEONIXIE-L/ - comments 
> welcome. If we get sync enabled, I'll add a banner saying "This is a mirror 
> of the official data located at X, local copy last updated Y" and so on.
>

Is there still any interest in this project? 

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Re: [neonixie-l] Re: Group librarian wanted...

[Bill Notfaded]

Great idea Nick... I've got more to post too.  If we all share more it's great 
for all of us to learn about more neat cool stuff 😁👍👍👍

Good stuff!

Bill

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Re: [neonixie-l] Re: Group librarian wanted...

[Nick]

Gratefully noted - thanks Nick.

I like the idea of having multiple repository managers, each with their own 
area of responsibility... 

Nick

On Friday, 26 July 2019 02:09:23 UTC+1, Pramanicin wrote:
>
> Can someone capture all the clock pictures that were shared in the other 
> thread and put them in a folder too?
>
> I'm more than happy to help out with the endeavor once a concrete plan is 
> decided upon.
>
> (Pharma) Nick
>
> On Thu, Jul 25, 2019 at 2:11 PM Tyler Bourne  
> wrote:
>
>> While I don't think Google will discontinue Drive any time soon it is a 
>> good idea to have a few backups.  We are currently using 2 of 15 GB so it 
>> should be some time before we outgrow it.  When that time cones we can 
>> either find someone who will host it for free or pay Google to get more 
>> space.
>>
>> In the mean time I'll go through the files and categorize them all and 
>> see if I can plan out a consistent folder structure.  Then I can sort it 
>> all out.
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Re: [neonixie-l] Re: Group librarian wanted...

[Nicholas Stock]

Can someone capture all the clock pictures that were shared in the other
thread and put them in a folder too?

I'm more than happy to help out with the endeavor once a concrete plan is
decided upon.

(Pharma) Nick

On Thu, Jul 25, 2019 at 2:11 PM Tyler Bourne  wrote:

> While I don't think Google will discontinue Drive any time soon it is a
> good idea to have a few backups.  We are currently using 2 of 15 GB so it
> should be some time before we outgrow it.  When that time cones we can
> either find someone who will host it for free or pay Google to get more
> space.
>
> In the mean time I'll go through the files and categorize them all and see
> if I can plan out a consistent folder structure.  Then I can sort it all
> out.
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[neonixie-l] Re: Group librarian wanted...

[Tyler Bourne]

While I don't think Google will discontinue Drive any time soon it is a 
good idea to have a few backups.  We are currently using 2 of 15 GB so it 
should be some time before we outgrow it.  When that time cones we can 
either find someone who will host it for free or pay Google to get more 
space.

In the mean time I'll go through the files and categorize them all and see 
if I can plan out a consistent folder structure.  Then I can sort it all 
out.

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Re: [neonixie-l] Re: Group librarian wanted...

[Terry Kennedy]

On Wednesday, July 24, 2019 at 8:11:31 AM UTC-4, Nick wrote:
>
> I have asked Tyler to have a first pass. As Google Drive is mapped to 
> groups and shares access rights, the intention is to do a master copy here.
>
> If folk want to shadow it in lots of places, that'd be great - I know I 
> will!
>

The Google Drive folder needs to have the "sync" and "syncRoot" properties 
set to "true" to enable actual synchronizing downloads. Otherwise you get 
"Provided id is not a sync root directory" errors and you can't sync.

I was able to download the whole thing (but not in sync mode, so it isn't 
updatable via sync and the file timestamps are the downloaded time instead 
of the real times. If you're allergic to Google Drive or want faster 
service, take a look at http://www3.ispnet.net/NEONIXIE-L/ - comments 
welcome. If we get sync enabled, I'll add a banner saying "This is a mirror 
of the official data located at X, local copy last updated Y" and so on.

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Re: [neonixie-l] Re: Group librarian wanted...

[Dekatron42]

Maybe someone should contact Frank Philipse and/or the Tube Collectors 
Association and see if they are interested in hosting the material?

/Martin

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Re: [neonixie-l] Re: Group librarian wanted...

[Nicholas Stock]

Ha, that's the first time I've ever seen the files and I've been on this
group for *years*.;-)

I'm up for a small donation if necessary.

On Wed, Jul 24, 2019 at 7:13 AM 'Grahame' via neonixie-l <
neonixie-l@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> Nick
>
> Thanks for the link. All my neonixie mail arrives through Thunderbird so
> I never look at the desktop.
>
> A quick look through and I see the archive does requires some TLC and
> spring cleaning. Although free, 15GB seems very restrictive by modern
> standards. I might be repeating earlier threads but has any thought been
> given to upping the storage by people making small donations?
>
> Grahame
>
> On 24/07/2019 15:00, Nick wrote:
> > It's linked to in the group description - you need to be looking at the
> "desktop" version of neonixie-l to see that.
> >
> >
> https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/0BzH-L4OXjfbRYTRHU01jcDk1c3c?usp=sharing
> >
> > Nick
> >
> >
> >   Wednesday, 24 July 2019 14:01:15 UTC+1, Sgitheach  wrote:
> >> Nick
> >>
> >> Sounds like a plan!
> >>
> >> My mirror DropBox will be read only so it can't be updated by others.
> >>
> >> Call me Mr Stupid, so I ask a silly question - where is the group
> >> repository?
> >>
> >> Grahame
> >>
> >> On 24/07/2019 13:11, Nick wrote:
> >>> I have asked Tyler to have a first pass. As Google Drive is mapped to
> groups and shares access rights, the intention is to do a master copy here.
> >>>
> >>> If folk want to shadow it in lots of places, that'd be great - I know
> I will!
> >>>
> >>> The only important things are not to fragment the exercise by a) over
> complication or b) updating mirrors rather than the master or c) getting
> lost in a maze of twisty passages, all alike...
> >>>
> >>> As it stands, all members of neonixie-l have read access to the
> repository and write access the temp folder, and all the admins (four of us
> at the moment) have write access to the whole store. All the old Yahoo!
> files are also already there...
> >>>
> >>> This is a) simple (KISS) and b) provides a public reference that
> anyone and their auntie can shadow should they so wish. Currently, there is
> 13GB free.
> >>>
> >>> We welcome all contributions... suggestions as to the folder hierarchy
> too !
> >>>
> >>> Nick
> >>>
>
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Re: [neonixie-l] Re: Group librarian wanted...

['Grahame' via neonixie-l]

Nick

Thanks for the link. All my neonixie mail arrives through Thunderbird so 
I never look at the desktop.


A quick look through and I see the archive does requires some TLC and 
spring cleaning. Although free, 15GB seems very restrictive by modern 
standards. I might be repeating earlier threads but has any thought been 
given to upping the storage by people making small donations?


Grahame

On 24/07/2019 15:00, Nick wrote:

It's linked to in the group description - you need to be looking at the 
"desktop" version of neonixie-l to see that.

https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/0BzH-L4OXjfbRYTRHU01jcDk1c3c?usp=sharing

Nick


  Wednesday, 24 July 2019 14:01:15 UTC+1, Sgitheach  wrote:

Nick

Sounds like a plan!

My mirror DropBox will be read only so it can't be updated by others.

Call me Mr Stupid, so I ask a silly question - where is the group
repository?

Grahame

On 24/07/2019 13:11, Nick wrote:

I have asked Tyler to have a first pass. As Google Drive is mapped to groups 
and shares access rights, the intention is to do a master copy here.

If folk want to shadow it in lots of places, that'd be great - I know I will!

The only important things are not to fragment the exercise by a) over 
complication or b) updating mirrors rather than the master or c) getting lost 
in a maze of twisty passages, all alike...

As it stands, all members of neonixie-l have read access to the repository and 
write access the temp folder, and all the admins (four of us at the moment) 
have write access to the whole store. All the old Yahoo! files are also already 
there...

This is a) simple (KISS) and b) provides a public reference that anyone and 
their auntie can shadow should they so wish. Currently, there is 13GB free.

We welcome all contributions... suggestions as to the folder hierarchy too !

Nick



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Re: [neonixie-l] Re: Group librarian wanted...

[Nick]

It's linked to in the group description - you need to be looking at the 
"desktop" version of neonixie-l to see that.

https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/0BzH-L4OXjfbRYTRHU01jcDk1c3c?usp=sharing

Nick


 Wednesday, 24 July 2019 14:01:15 UTC+1, Sgitheach  wrote:
> Nick
> 
> Sounds like a plan!
> 
> My mirror DropBox will be read only so it can't be updated by others.
> 
> Call me Mr Stupid, so I ask a silly question - where is the group 
> repository?
> 
> Grahame
> 
> On 24/07/2019 13:11, Nick wrote:
> > I have asked Tyler to have a first pass. As Google Drive is mapped to 
> > groups and shares access rights, the intention is to do a master copy here.
> >
> > If folk want to shadow it in lots of places, that'd be great - I know I 
> > will!
> >
> > The only important things are not to fragment the exercise by a) over 
> > complication or b) updating mirrors rather than the master or c) getting 
> > lost in a maze of twisty passages, all alike...
> >
> > As it stands, all members of neonixie-l have read access to the repository 
> > and write access the temp folder, and all the admins (four of us at the 
> > moment) have write access to the whole store. All the old Yahoo! files are 
> > also already there...
> >
> > This is a) simple (KISS) and b) provides a public reference that anyone and 
> > their auntie can shadow should they so wish. Currently, there is 13GB free.
> >
> > We welcome all contributions... suggestions as to the folder hierarchy too !
> >
> > Nick
> >

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Re: [neonixie-l] Re: Group librarian wanted...

['Grahame' via neonixie-l]

Nick

Sounds like a plan!

My mirror DropBox will be read only so it can't be updated by others.

Call me Mr Stupid, so I ask a silly question - where is the group 
repository?


Grahame

On 24/07/2019 13:11, Nick wrote:

I have asked Tyler to have a first pass. As Google Drive is mapped to groups 
and shares access rights, the intention is to do a master copy here.

If folk want to shadow it in lots of places, that'd be great - I know I will!

The only important things are not to fragment the exercise by a) over 
complication or b) updating mirrors rather than the master or c) getting lost 
in a maze of twisty passages, all alike...

As it stands, all members of neonixie-l have read access to the repository and 
write access the temp folder, and all the admins (four of us at the moment) 
have write access to the whole store. All the old Yahoo! files are also already 
there...

This is a) simple (KISS) and b) provides a public reference that anyone and 
their auntie can shadow should they so wish. Currently, there is 13GB free.

We welcome all contributions... suggestions as to the folder hierarchy too !

Nick



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Re: [neonixie-l] Re: Group librarian wanted...

[Nick]

I have asked Tyler to have a first pass. As Google Drive is mapped to groups 
and shares access rights, the intention is to do a master copy here.

If folk want to shadow it in lots of places, that'd be great - I know I will!

The only important things are not to fragment the exercise by a) over 
complication or b) updating mirrors rather than the master or c) getting lost 
in a maze of twisty passages, all alike...

As it stands, all members of neonixie-l have read access to the repository and 
write access the temp folder, and all the admins (four of us at the moment) 
have write access to the whole store. All the old Yahoo! files are also already 
there...

This is a) simple (KISS) and b) provides a public reference that anyone and 
their auntie can shadow should they so wish. Currently, there is 13GB free.

We welcome all contributions... suggestions as to the folder hierarchy too !

Nick

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Re: [neonixie-l] Re: Group librarian wanted...

[David Pye]

I could host a few GB easily on a fast Linux server with decent Comms.

Could also keep it in sync with others automatically.

David

On Wed, 24 Jul 2019, 09:42 'Grahame' via neonixie-l, <
neonixie-l@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> This echoes my philosophy - my DropBox is ephemeral - when I'm gone (btw
> nothing planned) the box will disappear. That is why encourage everyone to
> keep their own copies. But then we also need a document repository (or
> several repositories) someone that people can use to retrieve documents. I
> doesn't hurt to use Google as one of the repositories to start and then
> have copies.
>
> Just my 6 pennies worth.
>
> Grahame
> On 23/07/2019 23:49, Terry Kennedy wrote:
>
> On Tuesday, July 23, 2019 at 7:30:52 AM UTC-4, Bill Notfaded wrote:
>>
>> Makes sense to me... Google isn't going away anytime soon.  Seems to work
>> pretty well to me.
>
>
> Google does tend to apparently randomly decide that some "products" (if
> you're not paying for it, you ARE the product!) are no longer relevant and
> kills them off or lets them rot from semi-benign neglect.
>
> I'd rather not find out that features we rely on for a group library have
> either turned into a paid service or are going away with little to no
> notice.
>
> I think that something like the multiple distribution mirrors as used (for
> example) for FreeBSD would be a better idea. I'll volunteer to host the
> first site if desired - I have a nice system with a 10GbE connection to the
> Internet backbone.
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Re: [neonixie-l] Re: Group librarian wanted...

['Grahame' via neonixie-l]

This echoes my philosophy - my DropBox is ephemeral - when I'm gone (btw 
nothing planned) the box will disappear. That is why encourage everyone 
to keep their own copies. But then we also need a document repository 
(or several repositories) someone that people can use to retrieve 
documents. I doesn't hurt to use Google as one of the repositories to 
start and then have copies.


Just my 6 pennies worth.

Grahame

On 23/07/2019 23:49, Terry Kennedy wrote:

On Tuesday, July 23, 2019 at 7:30:52 AM UTC-4, Bill Notfaded wrote:

Makes sense to me... Google isn't going away anytime soon.  Seems
to work pretty well to me.


Google does tend to apparently randomly decide that some "products" 
(if you're not paying for it, you ARE the product!) are no longer 
relevant and kills them off or lets them rot from semi-benign neglect.


I'd rather not find out that features we rely on for a group library 
have either turned into a paid service or are going away with little 
to no notice.


I think that something like the multiple distribution mirrors as used 
(for example) for FreeBSD would be a better idea. I'll volunteer to 
host the first site if desired - I have a nice system with a 10GbE 
connection to the Internet backbone.

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[neonixie-l] Re: Group librarian wanted...

[Terry Kennedy]

On Tuesday, July 23, 2019 at 7:30:52 AM UTC-4, Bill Notfaded wrote:
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> Makes sense to me... Google isn't going away anytime soon.  Seems to work 
> pretty well to me.


Google does tend to apparently randomly decide that some "products" (if 
you're not paying for it, you ARE the product!) are no longer relevant and 
kills them off or lets them rot from semi-benign neglect.

I'd rather not find out that features we rely on for a group library have 
either turned into a paid service or are going away with little to no 
notice.

I think that something like the multiple distribution mirrors as used (for 
example) for FreeBSD would be a better idea. I'll volunteer to host the 
first site if desired - I have a nice system with a 10GbE connection to the 
Internet backbone.

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[neonixie-l] Re: Group librarian wanted...

[Bill Notfaded]

Makes sense to me... Google isn't going away anytime soon.  Seems to work 
pretty well to me.

Bill

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[neonixie-l] Re: Group librarian wanted...

[Nick]

Appreciate the offer.

In my book, simple is good and something is way better than nothing.

We have several administrators here and we already shadow the message base 
to other locations. There's no reason that we can't do exactly the same for 
the library here.

Google drive works well with Google Groups (they share the members' access 
rights) - the library here is on Google Drive - we are only using 1.4GB out 
of 15GB available - almost all of that is the old Yahoo! group's library 
that I copied over.

For now at least, rather than talking about some ideal hypothetical system 
and doing nothing, I suggest we get going and start by just collating the 
available documents in a sensible, simple, directory structure that 
everyone can use - this is what we used to do in the old Yahoo! Groups 
days, and it worked fine for many years. We lost no documents (all of them 
are in the Google Drive for this group) and it is a great resource.

Nick

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[neonixie-l] Re: Group librarian wanted...

[Tyler Bourne]

I could give the documents scattered around the file drive a sort.  I do IT 
for a day job and work with Google Drive every day.

On Tuesday, July 16, 2019 at 11:25:40 AM UTC-4, neonixie-l wrote:
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> Folks,
>
> It'd be great if we could have a volunteer (or two) to consolidate all 
> these interesting PDFs that are around - we have a library section which 
> has loads of space - I just don't have the time at the moment to manage it 
> (see the building project in the workshop thread).
>
> We'd really appreciate if someone could take this on - not too onerous, 
> and think of all the kudos you'd get!
>
> Cheers
>
> Nick
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