Re: [neonixie-l] Re: RZ568M clock kits?

[dalibor]

Hello!


I will definitely use THT components, HV5622 will sit in a THT socket as well. 
I know that most customers would solder SMT components without issues, but we 
need to think of the beginners as well.


I plan to use ATmega328 as a basic "brain" of the board, there will be option 
to choose Photon module with Wifi connectivity (thats what we use for Zen and 
Puri clocks) and online user interface for controlling the clock. Pi would not 
be offered, it is too complex for a clock in long-term - SD card corruption, 
log files, configuration etc.. But it would be possible to wire it to the board 
to drive the display.


Cheers,


Dalibor

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On April 3, 2019, 6:08 PM GMT+2 davidm...@gmail.com wrote:


My few thoughts:


Yep, through hole where possible, but things like direct drive and HV5622 etc 
are often only in SMD and they are so useful!


Consider the ESP8266 as the microcontroller - has a lot of the advantages of 
the Pi, (as in, Wifi enabled etc, NTP support) but without the overhead of an 
operating system. I've used it for a number of projects here, including VFD 
clocks, and it's generally very good. Only annoying thing is lack of hardware 
PWM, so it's done in SW.

I don't really want a clock with a full OS on, as the last thing I need is 
having to sysadmin it (eg remove log files etc!)



David



> On Wed, 3 Apr 2019 at 16:54, Tyler Bourne  wrote:




>> Hi Dalibor.


>> I have a couple thoughts on a kit.



>> I would lean toward through hole components if possible to improve ease of 
>> assemble and hackability, this may not be practical though.

>> Using a socketed Arduino compatible controller would also help with the 
>> hackability. 





>> I can't wait to someday see a jumbo nixie for an affordable* price.

>> *compared to a CD47.



>> PS. I actually like the shape of the numbers in the CD47, makes it a bit 
>> more unique.



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Re: [neonixie-l] Re: RZ568M clock kits?

[David Pye]

My few thoughts:

Yep, through hole where possible, but things like direct drive and HV5622
etc are often only in SMD and they are so useful!

Consider the ESP8266 as the microcontroller - has a lot of the advantages
of the Pi, (as in, Wifi enabled etc, NTP support) but without the overhead
of an operating system.   I've used it for a number of projects here,
including VFD clocks, and it's generally very good. Only annoying thing is
lack of hardware PWM, so it's done in SW.
I don't really want a clock with a full OS on, as the last thing I need is
having to sysadmin it (eg remove log files etc!)

David

On Wed, 3 Apr 2019 at 16:54, Tyler Bourne  wrote:

>
>
> Hi Dalibor.
>
> I have a couple thoughts on a kit.
>
> I would lean toward through hole components if possible to improve ease of
> assemble and hackability, this may not be practical though.
> Using a socketed Arduino compatible controller would also help with the
> hackability.
>
>
> I can't wait to someday see a jumbo nixie for an affordable* price.
> *compared to a CD47.
>
> PS.  I actually like the shape of the numbers in the CD47, makes it a bit
> more unique.
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[neonixie-l] Re: RZ568M clock kits?

[Tyler Bourne]

Hi Dalibor.

I have a couple thoughts on a kit.

I would lean toward through hole components if possible to improve ease of 
assemble and hackability, this may not be practical though.
Using a socketed Arduino compatible controller would also help with the 
hackability. 


I can't wait to someday see a jumbo nixie for an affordable* price.
*compared to a CD47.

PS.  I actually like the shape of the numbers in the CD47, makes it a bit 
more unique.

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[neonixie-l] Re: RZ568M clock kits?

[gregebert]

I would put a RaspberryPi as the main controller; it can get time from the 
network via built-in WiFi and all of the control software can be 
updated/modified by the end-user. Since it's a Linux-based platform with 
remote login via VNC, there's no limit to the kinds of applications that 
can be developed, shared, etc. 

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[neonixie-l] Re: RZ568M clock kits?

[Bill Notfaded]

Good day Dalibor-

Some thoughts on kit features:

- SMT components so the thickness under the PCB isn't large (this is 
debatable because some people might have issues soldering them... another 
option would be having two versions one with parts and PCB and one with SMT 
pre-soldered for more $$$)
- Tube Effects: Normal/ Fading/ Cross Fading/Slow Fading/Loop/Flash <- 
important
- Adjustable tube brightness levels with sensor for auto
- Ability to mount SMT RGB led under tubes with options for color changing 
effects
- Small HV circuit that doesn't generate a lot of heat
- SMT components so the thickness under the PCB isn't more and a few mm.
- 12H or 24H display modes with AM/PM output and zero blanking option
- Month/Day/Year versions
- RTC with battery or farad capacitor backup option (option for GPS input 
or receiver would be neat as well)
- Temp/Barometric Pressure Sensor
- 2or3 alarms and  tube blanking periods

Some of this is software so you could either work that or leave it up the 
builder.

*** An option for wifi so you could sync ntp and also control the clock 
settings through a mobile app (if you used the right chipset it could even 
have BT) <-- icing on the cake but I suppose IR receiver for remote could 
also be an option.  Personally I think wifi is the way to go today but I'm 
a Computer Scientist.

Best Regards,

Bill

Oh and by the way... That even larger tube would kill any desire for the 
Rodan tubes out there (1000$+ for a tube lol you could easily charge a lot 
less for and still have the tube that killed the big Rodan).  My guess is 
you would make yours so it's more uniform too... more like the font design 
in your original tube and classic 568 style.  Those Rodan look stretched 
way too thin in their font and the cathode thickness... your glass blows 
them away too... ie. the Rodan has almost paper thin glass it's made out 
of.  Yeah it makes them lighter (ridiculously light) but for goodness sake 
this glass we're talking about.  :^}  MEGA PROPs for starting with a 
slightly taller 568 style font character (53mm)... idk why anyone would 
start with small tubes???  (that sounds funny calling IN-18 style small 
hehe lol)

I'm very impressed by your perseverance... you have already inspired a new 
generation Dalibor that already seem to be following your lead.  I'm not 
sure how that makes you feel but judging by your blog it sounds like you 
decided sharing your knowledge is more important that trying to keep it all 
secret.  I commend this... it's not an easy decision to come to.  Hackable 
and open source is good stuff.


On Friday, March 29, 2019 at 2:05:15 AM UTC-7, Dalibor wrote:
>
> Hello!
>
> I want to develop a kit for our tubes this year, we already started 
> discussion about the features etc.. It should be a hackable kit..
>
> I would like to hear what features you consider "must have".. Thank you!
>
> The huge tube - this is now on hold.. It was developed for a butique hotel 
> in Paris, but it was later stopped. I plan to make one tube for lifespan 
> testing, to see possible different behaviour from our current tube. We have 
> all we need for it, except time to make it :-)
>
> Dalibor
>
>
> On Friday, 29 March 2019 00:01:05 UTC+1, Bill Notfaded wrote:
>>
>> PV Electronics had one kit then discontinued it?  I'm really surprised 
>> there aren't really any kits to build clocks with Dalibor's tubes.  I'd 
>> like to build one using his tubes versus trying to buy old tubes for 250+ 
>> dollars.  Am I the only one that's thinking about this?  The B-7971 are a 
>> special case but I think six tube RZ568M clock with good features would be 
>> awesome and even help Dalibor so he can make some of those huge tubes I saw 
>> he's been experimenting with!  I'd build one at least.  Are they pin 
>> compatible with the originals?  It looks close but I thought someone told 
>> me they aren't?
>
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[neonixie-l] Re: RZ568M clock kits?

[Bill Notfaded]

I noticed he makes a two digit version that runs on 5V usb power as well.  
Since you have now shown that Dalibor's tubes do in fact work in place of 
an original R568M or R5680M that's an option... ie. clock kits made for the 
old tubes.

Bill

On Friday, March 29, 2019 at 4:45:39 AM UTC-7, Mike Mitchell wrote:
>
> I have one of these clocks using a RZ568M from Dailbor.
>
> https://vfdclock.jimdo.com/2015/11/02/z586m-huge-single-digit-nixie-tube-clock-pluggable-usb-powered/
>
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Re: [neonixie-l] Re: RZ568M clock kits?

[Nicholas Stock]

Nice clock John! I’d be interested

Nick

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> I have one of these clocks using a RZ568M from Dailbor.
> https://vfdclock.jimdo.com/2015/11/02/z586m-huge-single-digit-nixie-tube-clock-pluggable-usb-powered/
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[neonixie-l] Re: RZ568M clock kits?

[Dalibor]

Hello!

I want to develop a kit for our tubes this year, we already started 
discussion about the features etc.. It should be a hackable kit..

I would like to hear what features you consider "must have".. Thank you!

The huge tube - this is now on hold.. It was developed for a butique hotel 
in Paris, but it was later stopped. I plan to make one tube for lifespan 
testing, to see possible different behaviour from our current tube. We have 
all we need for it, except time to make it :-)

Dalibor


On Friday, 29 March 2019 00:01:05 UTC+1, Bill Notfaded wrote:
>
> PV Electronics had one kit then discontinued it?  I'm really surprised 
> there aren't really any kits to build clocks with Dalibor's tubes.  I'd 
> like to build one using his tubes versus trying to buy old tubes for 250+ 
> dollars.  Am I the only one that's thinking about this?  The B-7971 are a 
> special case but I think six tube RZ568M clock with good features would be 
> awesome and even help Dalibor so he can make some of those huge tubes I saw 
> he's been experimenting with!  I'd build one at least.  Are they pin 
> compatible with the originals?  It looks close but I thought someone told 
> me they aren't?

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Re: [neonixie-l] Re: RZ568M clock kits?

[Bill Notfaded]

Link that works of zin18
https://youtu.be/ubNYJeDUhgY

On Thu, Mar 28, 2019, 5:39 PM Bill Notfaded  wrote:

> Yeah that was the first video I watched of his.  I've seen the newer video
> of another company millclock making what look like IN-18 style bulbs but
> they aren't pin compatible and they're way way long/tall.
>
>
> https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=%23&ved=2ahUKEwjTn42pjqbhAhWSjp4KHccyCpQQwqsBMAJ6BAgJEBA&usg=AOvVaw0VTJzWxrN8ZFOD4xbU2nov
>
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>> They sure to look great.  Did you see his video on YouTube of the assy?
>>
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Re: [neonixie-l] Re: RZ568M clock kits?

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Yeah that was the first video I watched of his.  I've seen the newer video
of another company millclock making what look like IN-18 style bulbs but
they aren't pin compatible and they're way way long/tall.

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Re: [neonixie-l] Re: RZ568M clock kits?

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They sure to look great.  Did you see his video on YouTube of the assy?

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[neonixie-l] Re: RZ568M clock kits?

[Bill Notfaded]

Here's that pic again.  I want one of those...

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