[neonixie-l] Re: tubes/valves and Global Shipping

[Roddy Scott]

Further to this I have just received an email from PayPal informing me that 
I have won my claim against the GSP charge and will be receiving a refund.

On Friday, September 1, 2017 at 10:33:23 AM UTC+1, Roddy Scott wrote:
>
> I have just had my first encounter with GSP when I checked my PayPal 
>> account and found a deduction to Pitney Bowes Inc for nearly a third of the 
>> value of the items I ordered from Canada for a clock build.
>>
>
> This has to be the biggest rip off scam in operation as there was no 
> mention of any other charges other than the cost and shipping of the items 
> to Ireland.
>
> I will no longer buy anything that is to be sent via the GSP as I am not 
> in the habit of giving money away to third parties. I have arranged with a 
> friend that anything I buy from the US gets sent to him and I pay the costs 
> of sending to me.
>

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Re: [neonixie-l] Re: tubes/valves and Global Shipping

[JohnK]

[I am a bit behind in my reading :-)   ]

Didn't someone [here or TCA Group] say that those twits are judging mercury 
content by the 'mirroring' seen on a tube? [and/or just its era.]
Any getter flash etc will be mistaken.

John K.
  - Original Message - 
  From: Manuel Azevedo 
  To: neonixie-l 
  Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 7:36 AM
  Subject: [neonixie-l] Re: tubes/valves and Global Shipping


  Just got "hit" by this GSP problem: 6 Apollo DA2010 "disposed off" because of 
dangerous mercury levels.
  The thing is, I checked and I was convinced that Numitrons didn't have 
mercury - couldn't find any information they contain it.
  I had other two DA2010 delivered last week via GSP without any issue. This is 
insane.
  And such a rare tube - they just destroyed 6...


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[neonixie-l] Re: tubes/valves and Global Shipping

[Roddy Scott]

>
> I have just had my first encounter with GSP when I checked my PayPal 
> account and found a deduction to Pitney Bowes Inc for nearly a third of the 
> value of the items I ordered from Canada for a clock build.
>

This has to be the biggest rip off scam in operation as there was no 
mention of any other charges other than the cost and shipping of the items 
to Ireland.

I will no longer buy anything that is to be sent via the GSP as I am not in 
the habit of giving money away to third parties. I have arranged with a 
friend that anything I buy from the US gets sent to him and I pay the costs 
of sending to me.

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Re: [neonixie-l] Re: tubes/valves and Global Shipping

[Manuel Azevedo]

Well, there’s a known vendor from the US that usually doesn’t ship abroad. One 
day I found and bought some tubes from them. After a day or two, they refunded 
the sale, said the tubes were in no good condition and relisted the tubes 
without international shipping.
When I asked once, they said: “We aren’t allowed to ship abroad because of 
shipping options”.
I never asked, but maybe it was something like this.
Well, I don’t really know, but I would hope that giving sellers some input on 
how frustrated users will be because of GSP and maybe some of them will ship 
using other carriers.
I still have two orders through GSP – one is stopped since the 21st in their 
centre – I’m starting to think it will not go through.




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Re: [neonixie-l] Re: tubes/valves and Global Shipping

[Oscilloclock]

Should I be doing this - sending a Shipping Question to folks on eBay offering 
GSP shipping, to beg them not to? Or might it cause more harm than good by 
making people worried about shipping overseas and no longer offer to us?

--
Hi there!

I'm afraid I'm all CRT'ed up and won't be bidding, but I noticed that you were 
offering to ship via GSP. I just wanted to let you know that recently GSP's 
subcontractors have started 'safely disposing' of CRTs and Nixie tubes without 
the buyer or sellers' consent, on the usually misguided belief that these tubes 
contain dangerous substances. Refunds are given to buyers but I don't know if 
sellers are reimbursed.

I would urge you to not ship via GSP, but please please do continue to support 
us CRT collectors around the world by offering to ship via normal postal or 
courier services. My group of friends is devastated every time a rare tube is 
destroyed needlessly.

For recent examples of this please see:

https://groups.google.com/d/msg/neonixie-l/V3jzKzPs9aY/MqwCPg0qAwAJ

And

https://groups.google.com/d/msg/neonixie-l/o1DLO2amf6g/mXW8bPJxCAAJ

Regards
Aaron
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Re: [neonixie-l] Re: tubes/valves and Global Shipping

[Manuel Azevedo]

It’s really unbelievable. And I have three more items on GSP – two have already 
came through, have arrived in Switzerland, should be delivered tomorrow. A new 
set of tubes is still on its way to GSP and I hope they don’t get disposed of. 
I’ll stop making orders with GSP sales.

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Re: [neonixie-l] Re: tubes/valves and Global Shipping

['Ian Vine' via neonixie-l]

This truly is madness. Enforcing crazy rules, for no reason with no knowledge. 

I heard old books have fungal spores. Better burn them all if posting

IanV

> On 20 Aug 2017, at 16:29, SWISSNIXIE - Jonathan F.  
> wrote:
> 
> The sadest thing about this is that they just dump it... they should return 
> it to the seller.. so the things would not end in the trash. 
> 
> I know a friend that ordered a transmitting tube for nearly 1k$, a very old 
> and rare one, like a museum piece... GSP disposed it. 
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[neonixie-l] Re: tubes/valves and Global Shipping

[SWISSNIXIE - Jonathan F.]

The sadest thing about this is that they just dump it... they should return 
it to the seller.. so the things would not end in the trash. 

I know a friend that ordered a transmitting tube for nearly 1k$, a very old 
and rare one, like a museum piece... GSP disposed it. 

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Re: [neonixie-l] Re: tubes/valves and Global Shipping

[Manuel Azevedo]

Actually, I did, explained to them, added some links, including this 
conversation. But I guess that they get so many other submissions. Only another 
one in the pile.

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Re: [neonixie-l] Re: tubes/valves and Global Shipping

[Dekatron42]

Have you written to Wired and asked them to look into this? It might be 
worth a try!

/Martin

On Sunday, 20 August 2017 09:40:58 UTC+2, Manuel Azevedo wrote:
>
> I wish that magazines like Wired would pickup on these stories and would 
> expose how GSP is destroying these vintage pieces.
>
>
> Manuel Azevedo

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Re: [neonixie-l] Re: tubes/valves and Global Shipping

[Tomasz Kowalczyk]

I cannot facepalm enough. It is really easy to find information about what 
are getters made of. 

W dniu niedziela, 20 sierpnia 2017 09:40:58 UTC+2 użytkownik Manuel Azevedo 
napisał:
>
>  After searching around, I got the impression, from several post of others 
> that got tubes destroyed by GSP, that Pitney Bowes sees the shinny getter 
> surfaces as an indication of mercury. 

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Re: [neonixie-l] Re: tubes/valves and Global Shipping

[Manuel Azevedo]

I got a refund, initially not complete, but after complaining about the whole 
situation, Pitney Bowes, the GSP partner responsible for the destruction, did 
refund me the total, together with an email saying why they destroyed it 
("mercury levels") and that there was no way to open exceptions. My initial 
email from ebay said only: "congratulations, you got a refund because the item 
cannot be delivered".
After searching around, I got the impression, from several post of others that 
got tubes destroyed by GSP, that Pitney Bowes sees the shinny getter surfaces 
as an indication of mercury. The Apollo and RCA numitrons are known for their 
beautiful shinny silver coating. 
I'm not expecting an apology besides the standard text I got so far. I did 
vigorously complain, but it got the strength of another "anonymous" email that 
ebay/gsp get every other day: which is close to nothing, as they shield 
themselves in airline safety.
I wish that magazines like Wired would pickup on these stories and would expose 
how GSP is destroying these vintage pieces. I shudder to think that every time 
someone orders some IN-18 out of the US (might happen!) they can be destroyed 
this easily. And all could be easily done with some arbitration before 
destroying the pieces.


Manuel Azevedo

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Re: [neonixie-l] Re: tubes/valves and Global Shipping

[Tomasz Kowalczyk]

Numitrons should have mercury levels comparable to traditional light bulbs. 
Which is exactly no mercury! There is no technological benefit of adding it 
to any tube other than Nixies and other neon filled display bulbs. You 
should get your money back along with apologies from eBay.

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Re: [neonixie-l] Re: tubes/valves and Global Shipping

[Manuel Azevedo]

Well, waiting for an answer… but I don’t expect miracles.

From: <neonixie-l@googlegroups.com> on behalf of Nicholas Stock 
<nickst...@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [neonixie-l] Re: tubes/valves and Global Shipping

They're incandescent, so I'd be surprised if they contain Mercury!

That's a shame...asshats. You should complain vigorously to eBay.

On Sat, Aug 19, 2017 at 3:06 PM, Manuel Azevedo 
<azevedo.man...@gmail.com<mailto:azevedo.man...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Just got "hit" by this GSP problem: 6 Apollo DA2010 "disposed off" because of 
dangerous mercury levels.
The thing is, I checked and I was convinced that Numitrons didn't have mercury 
- couldn't find any information they contain it.
I had other two DA2010 delivered last week via GSP without any issue. This is 
insane.
And such a rare tube - they just destroyed 6...
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Re: [neonixie-l] Re: tubes/valves and Global Shipping

[Nicholas Stock]

They're incandescent, so I'd be surprised if they contain Mercury!

That's a shame...asshats. You should complain vigorously to eBay.

On Sat, Aug 19, 2017 at 3:06 PM, Manuel Azevedo 
wrote:

> Just got "hit" by this GSP problem: 6 Apollo DA2010 "disposed off" because
> of dangerous mercury levels.
> The thing is, I checked and I was convinced that Numitrons didn't have
> mercury - couldn't find any information they contain it.
> I had other two DA2010 delivered last week via GSP without any issue. This
> is insane.
> And such a rare tube - they just destroyed 6...
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[neonixie-l] Re: tubes/valves and Global Shipping

[Manuel Azevedo]

Just got "hit" by this GSP problem: 6 Apollo DA2010 "disposed off" because 
of dangerous mercury levels.
The thing is, I checked and I was convinced that Numitrons didn't have 
mercury - couldn't find any information they contain it.
I had other two DA2010 delivered last week via GSP without any issue. This 
is insane.
And such a rare tube - they just destroyed 6...

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Re: [neonixie-l] Re: tubes/valves and Global Shipping

[JohnK]

When I mentioned "rules" I meant it as distinct from the laws and regulations.
I was meaning the writing of job procedure rules that allow them to work within 
the laws. For example - how to tell the difference between a getter flash and 
mercury.

Impossible though; too many reasons why it wouldn't work - the main one being 
economics.

The stories about losses in the Global Shipping Triangle continue.
Seems that the hint from Rodney covers it - ALL items in the tubes (etc) 
category get crushed/incinerated/stolen.

John K.

  - Original Message - 
  From: SWISSNIXIE - Jonathan F. 
  To: neonixie-l 
  Sent: Friday, June 23, 2017 8:39 PM
  Subject: [neonixie-l] Re: tubes/valves and Global Shipping


  I think its also a big part of just regulations.

  Would you (thinking as a company) ship items that contain - or could contain 
- a substance that ist banned?. If a substance is not allowed by rules, you 
can't blame the company shipping the packages if the will not break the rules. 
Its the same thing about "writing a low value" for customs - many people do it, 
risking a penalty, some people don't to follow the rules.


  Alot of RULES are made completely idiotic and senseless, thats where the 
problem is.


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[neonixie-l] Re: tubes/valves and Global Shipping

[Dekatron42]

I know of these problem from personal experience, GSP cancelled shipping on 
items I bought and reimbursed me and the seller, sometimes part of the 
shipment has disappeared when passing through the GSP shipping sites as the 
items have been inspected and repacked (not only electronics but items like 
Barbie dolls, Lego and other stuff has turned up with parts missing).

But I can't find the limitations described above: “Consumer Electronics > 
Vintage Electronics > Vintage Audio & Video > Vintage Parts & Accessories > 
Vintage Tubes & Tube Sockets” and “Collectibles > Radio, Phonograph, TV, 
Phone > Radios > Parts & Tubes”

Can anyone show these with screen shots or describe how to show those 
limitations. I tried to find them but since I don't live in the US they 
don't apply to me as I can't use the GSP. I'd like to be able to show this 
to sellers that I am interested in buying items from who use GSP and I 
would like them to ship with a different courier, some gladly change the 
shipping but some say there are no limitations and don't want to change the 
shipping options.

/Martin


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[neonixie-l] Re: tubes/valves and Global Shipping

['threeneurons' via neonixie-l]

eBay's Global Shipping Program is a big stinking turd. I never use it, and 
never will !

Be glad they won't ship tubes. Their employees, besides being under 
educated, are probably poorly trained, if at all. I wouldn't trust them to 
properly pack 1/2" steel plate. They'll manage to break it. Packing, in the 
modern world, seems to be rocket science, and all the employees only care 
about is their paycheck. It doesn't matter if its the Global Shipping 
center, or Amazon, or McMaster. The packers are judged on speed. Throw the 
items in the box, chuck the packing list on top of that, and fill the 
remaining space with packing material. Seal it. Slap the labels on it, then 
throw it back on the conveyor belt ... next ! You ain't paid to think ! 

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RE: [neonixie-l] Re: tubes/valves and Global Shipping - now moving off topic......

[Bill van Dijk]

Great discussion! 

 

> 

I think the problem lies in education, and to be more specific - lack of 
ability to differ real knowledge from bullshit. The internet, while being a 
wonderful tool for work and learning (I was raised in the internet era and 
seriously, I can't understand how you were supposed to educate yourself at home 
without the internet!), is also a great place for stupid people and trolls. The 
biggest issue in searching for information is the ability to see what is a true 
scientific answer and what is made up by someone. I think that many people 
believe the latter one because the information is easier to digest than a full 
scientific report. It will sound logical, but many people won't see a big flaw 
in the logic of the non-scientist.

 

> 

As someone who lived most of my life prior to the internet, I learned through 
books, and, equally important, from knowledgeable people. Stupid people and 
trolls had far fewer means of distribution of their rhetoric. Your point about 
education is still valid though. Educated people who's moral compass points 
firmly North are better equipped to separate knowledge from bullshit. They 
appear to become a minority. The "other group" (I'm trying to be politically 
correct here, otherwise I would have said something like dumbasses) are 
intimidated by facts and science and are more likely to follow someone who 
spouts simple, but believable (to them) nonsense presented in a confident 
manner. That's how a despicable "leader" sparked WW2, and how recently an 
"unqualified" person became "leader" of one of this world's significant 
countries. The "internet generation" has a disadvantage due to the fact of 
sheer volume of information thrown at them. Time to sort fact from fiction is 
very limited, so it is often easier to go with the majority. I hear it often, 
"I have seen it on several websites now, it must be true". To stay with 
electronics, have a look at some of those "audiophool" websites. I saw a 
discussion where they stated a certain tube under discussion with a "D" shaped 
getter sounds wayy better than a tube with an "O" shaped getter. Someone 
even offered a scientific explanation involving electron clouds forming... 
Anyway, my knees are starting to hurt, I have to get down of this soapbox 
before I die of old age.

 

Bill

 

 

From: neonixie-l@googlegroups.com [mailto:neonixie-l@googlegroups.com] On 
Behalf Of Tomasz Kowalczyk
Sent: Friday, June 23, 2017 1:51 AM
To: neonixie-l
Subject: Re: [neonixie-l] Re: tubes/valves and Global Shipping

 



W dniu piątek, 23 czerwca 2017 04:37:23 UTC+2 użytkownik johnk napisał:

err, I think the point is NOT TO use the Global Shipping by selecting another 
category, because they DO open [some/all] packages. See various stories 
circulating. They obviously find it easier when the description tips them off - 
like the guy who lost his amplifier, NOT just the valves in it.

 

I bet they will stop handling anything with lead solder. [I had argument with 
local authority about disposal of colour TV CRT glass - it is lead glass. They 
had been screaming about the amount of lead being handled ! They treat it as if 
it is actually free lead or toxic free-salt/compound. Same with mercury. I 
don't know what lack-of science and chemistry is taught these days but it is 
totally pathetic! 

 

Well, isn't anti-vaccines movement getting stronger nowadays? I think that if 
anti-vaccines or flat-earth are things in todays world, we need no explanation 
why someone CAN'T understand the concept of mercury being trapped inside a tube 
(which, if they handle the package as supposed, should never break), and even 
if it comes outside, it is many times smaller amount than in a thermometer - I 
bet you'd need to break an original box of 25 IN-18 tubes to get this amount of 
mercury!

 

When we live in an "advanced" culture it behoves us to know an amount of stuff. 
It can't be totally a Nanny State. Old episode of the Simpsons last night where 
they made a joke in a speech about "get a half-life" makes me ponder whether it 
just went straight over the heads of the majority of viewers. People tend to 
vote and politicians get to decide about waste dumps etc. How can "we" get the 
right answers when the voters are clueless about the issues. The Greenies and 
'enlightened' pollies here in Oz have done a lot of damage over the years 
through being rather ignorant - just enough knowledge to be dangerous. Doesn't 
matter how good the science advisers are - the pollies get to set the terms of 
reference and the scope. 

Reason for the above... a lead-in to this.   That tube guy said he had been 
checking out the ebay setup with ebay guys. 

How about someone who is a stake holder trying to chat with the global shipping 
ninnies?

 

I think the problem lies in education, and to be

[neonixie-l] Re: tubes/valves and Global Shipping

[SWISSNIXIE - Jonathan F.]

I think its also a big part of just regulations.

Would you (thinking as a company) ship items that contain - or could 
contain - a substance that ist banned?. If a substance is not allowed by 
rules, you can't blame the company shipping the packages if the will not 
break the rules. Its the same thing about "writing a low value" for customs 
- many people do it, risking a penalty, some people don't to follow the 
rules.


Alot of RULES are made completely idiotic and senseless, thats where the 
problem is.

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Re: [neonixie-l] Re: tubes/valves and Global Shipping

[Tomasz Kowalczyk]

W dniu piątek, 23 czerwca 2017 04:37:23 UTC+2 użytkownik johnk napisał:
>
> err, I think the point is NOT TO use the Global Shipping by selecting 
> another category, because they DO open [some/all] packages. See various 
> stories circulating. They obviously find it easier when the description 
> tips them off - like the guy who lost his amplifier, NOT just the valves in 
> it.
>  
> I bet they will stop handling anything with lead solder. [I had argument 
> with local authority about disposal of colour TV CRT glass - it is lead 
> glass. They had been screaming about the amount of lead being handled ! 
> They treat it as if it is actually free lead or toxic free-salt/compound. 
> Same with mercury. I don't know what lack-of science and chemistry is 
> taught these days but it is totally pathetic! 
>

Well, isn't anti-vaccines movement getting stronger nowadays? I think that 
if anti-vaccines or flat-earth are things in todays world, we need no 
explanation why someone CAN'T understand the concept of mercury being 
trapped inside a tube (which, if they handle the package as supposed, 
should never break), and even if it comes outside, it is many times smaller 
amount than in a thermometer - I bet you'd need to break an original box of 
25 IN-18 tubes to get this amount of mercury!
 

> When we live in an "advanced" culture it behoves us to know an amount of 
> stuff. It can't be totally a Nanny State. Old episode of the Simpsons last 
> night where they made a joke in a speech about "get a half-life" makes me 
> ponder whether it just went straight over the heads of the majority of 
> viewers. People tend to vote and politicians get to decide about waste 
> dumps etc. How can "we" get the right answers when the voters are clueless 
> about the issues. The Greenies and 'enlightened' pollies here in Oz have 
> done a lot of damage over the years through being rather ignorant - just 
> enough knowledge to be dangerous. Doesn't matter how good the science 
> advisers are - the pollies get to set the terms of reference and the scope. 
> Reason for the above... a lead-in to this.   That tube guy said he had 
> been checking out the ebay setup with ebay guys. 
> How about someone who is a stake holder trying to chat with the global 
> shipping ninnies?
>

I think the problem lies in education, and to be more specific - lack of 
ability to differ real knowledge from bullshit. The internet, while being a 
wonderful tool for work and learning (I was raised in the internet era and 
seriously, I can't understand how you were supposed to educate yourself at 
home without the internet!), is also a great place for stupid people and 
trolls. The biggest issue in searching for information is the ability to 
see what is a true scientific answer and what is made up by someone. I 
think that many people believe the latter one because the information is 
easier to digest than a full scientific report. It will sound logical, but 
many people won't see a big flaw in the logic of the non-scientist.

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Re: [neonixie-l] Re: tubes/valves and Global Shipping

[JohnK]

err, I think the point is NOT TO use the Global Shipping by selecting another 
category, because they DO open [some/all] packages. See various stories 
circulating. They obviously find it easier when the description tips them off - 
like the guy who lost his amplifier, NOT just the valves in it.

I bet they will stop handling anything with lead solder. [I had argument with 
local authority about disposal of colour TV CRT glass - it is lead glass. They 
had been screaming about the amount of lead being handled ! They treat it as if 
it is actually free lead or toxic free-salt/compound. Same with mercury. I 
don't know what lack-of science and chemistry is taught these days but it is 
totally pathetic! When we live in an "advanced" culture it behoves us to know 
an amount of stuff. It can't be totally a Nanny State. Old episode of the 
Simpsons last night where they made a joke in a speech about "get a half-life" 
makes me ponder whether it just went straight over the heads of the majority of 
viewers. People tend to vote and politicians get to decide about waste dumps 
etc. How can "we" get the right answers when the voters are clueless about the 
issues. The Greenies and 'enlightened' pollies here in Oz have done a lot of 
damage over the years through being rather ignorant - just enough knowledge to 
be dangerous. Doesn't matter how good the science advisers are - the pollies 
get to set the terms of reference and the scope. 
Reason for the above... a lead-in to this.   That tube guy said he had been 
checking out the ebay setup with ebay guys. 
How about someone who is a stake holder trying to chat with the global shipping 
ninnies?

BTW, I had totally forgotten the very "cute" reaction of mercury and aluminium 
until the topic of "how much mercury is allowed on an aircraft". I was reminded 
when I Googled for why it is dangerous.
As I wrote in a post to TCA...
"On the topic of mercury. I had forgotten why mercury isn't allowed on 
aircraft, so I Googled it again.
http://wordpress.mrreid.org/2013/08/07/mercury-and-aeroplanes/
"But if the raw elemental aluminium is exposed (e.g. by a scratch) and comes 
into contact with mercury it forms an amalgam, tearing away at the aluminium 
and causing it to lose its structural integrity. As the aluminium is eaten away 
it combines with the air to form aluminium oxide and falls away (as seen in 
this video). This allows the mercury to reach fresh aluminium and the process 
then repeats, so a small amount of mercury can do a large amount of damage. If 
a mercury thermometer were to leak aboard an aeroplane the aeroplane would need 
to be taken out of service and disassembled to assess the damage the mercury 
might cause. There have been at least two incidents in which aircraft exposed 
to mercury have been written off by their insurers."   
I didn't followup sources.   It is just like those "impossible" acids etc shown 
in cartoons [and sci-fi] that just keep eating their way through something 
without combining and being used up."

I know that it is hard to write some rules that would work for places like 
Global Shipping. Hard?; probably impossible, so to meet all safety situations a 
plain "NO" to anything listed is the only way.
BUT, I want to see them extend it to all dangerous stuff. 
Cadmium plated items.
Fluorescent globes. (there is a nice German article online discussing the risks 
of a broken tube)
Paper [with dioxins].
Plastics [outgassing].
Trapped air in packages and "germs".
Sharp corners.
Small items that someone might swallow.
etc.

Shouldn't just apply to the shipping -I wonder how immune to repercussions ebay 
is if something truely NASTY is sold through them. Bet they think they have it 
tied up. Better shut them down; they are a risk to our civilisation.

John K


  - Original Message - 
  From: SWISSNIXIE - Jonathan F. 
  To: neonixie-l 
  Sent: Friday, June 23, 2017 4:55 AM
  Subject: [neonixie-l] Re: tubes/valves and Global Shipping


  Pro-Tip #777  - pick a different category like "electronics"

  People who will search for it, will find it there. 

  Usually Ebay is weird like all times, either its about mercury or other 
chemicals in tubes that are restricted to ship, and since the package will be 
shipped by ebay itself, they are responsible for it. Same thing goes for 
radioactive contents (radar tubes). Another thing is the "export" restriction 
of military items, for example a "kn-6 trigger tube" is not allowed to export. 

  If you are not from US - you can still use the US-Site, look for nice items, 
and ask the seller if he sends it to you on "normal" way. Worked a few times 
for me.

  They are not really checking whats in the packgae :) I once bought a piece of 
uranium ore, very active, detectable through the package, but since the seller 
labeled it as "piece of rock&quo

[neonixie-l] Re: tubes/valves and Global Shipping

[SWISSNIXIE - Jonathan F.]

Pro-Tip #777  - pick a different category like "electronics"

People who will search for it, will find it there. 

Usually Ebay is weird like all times, either its about mercury or other 
chemicals in tubes that are restricted to ship, and since the package will 
be shipped by ebay itself, they are responsible for it. Same thing goes for 
radioactive contents (radar tubes). Another thing is the "export" 
restriction of military items, for example a "kn-6 trigger tube" is not 
allowed to export. 

If you are not from US - you can still use the US-Site, look for nice 
items, and ask the seller if he sends it to you on "normal" way. Worked a 
few times for me.

They are not really checking whats in the packgae :) I once bought a piece 
of uranium ore, very active, detectable through the package, but since the 
seller labeled it as "piece of rock", it was un noticed. 

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