Great discussion!
> I think the problem lies in education, and to be more specific - lack of ability to differ real knowledge from bullshit. The internet, while being a wonderful tool for work and learning (I was raised in the internet era and seriously, I can't understand how you were supposed to educate yourself at home without the internet!), is also a great place for stupid people and trolls. The biggest issue in searching for information is the ability to see what is a true scientific answer and what is made up by someone. I think that many people believe the latter one because the information is easier to digest than a full scientific report. It will sound logical, but many people won't see a big flaw in the logic of the non-scientist. > As someone who lived most of my life prior to the internet, I learned through books, and, equally important, from knowledgeable people. Stupid people and trolls had far fewer means of distribution of their rhetoric. Your point about education is still valid though. Educated people who's moral compass points firmly North are better equipped to separate knowledge from bullshit. They appear to become a minority. The "other group" (I'm trying to be politically correct here, otherwise I would have said something like dumbasses) are intimidated by facts and science and are more likely to follow someone who spouts simple, but believable (to them) nonsense presented in a confident manner. That's how a despicable "leader" sparked WW2, and how recently an "unqualified" person became "leader" of one of this world's significant countries. The "internet generation" has a disadvantage due to the fact of sheer volume of information thrown at them. Time to sort fact from fiction is very limited, so it is often easier to go with the majority. I hear it often, "I have seen it on several websites now, it must be true". To stay with electronics, have a look at some of those "audiophool" websites. I saw a discussion where they stated a certain tube under discussion with a "D" shaped getter sounds wayyyyyy better than a tube with an "O" shaped getter. Someone even offered a scientific explanation involving electron clouds forming....... Anyway, my knees are starting to hurt, I have to get down of this soapbox before I die of old age. Bill From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Tomasz Kowalczyk Sent: Friday, June 23, 2017 1:51 AM To: neonixie-l Subject: Re: [neonixie-l] Re: tubes/valves and Global Shipping W dniu piątek, 23 czerwca 2017 04:37:23 UTC+2 użytkownik johnk napisał: err, I think the point is NOT TO use the Global Shipping by selecting another category, because they DO open [some/all] packages. See various stories circulating. They obviously find it easier when the description tips them off - like the guy who lost his amplifier, NOT just the valves in it. I bet they will stop handling anything with lead solder. [I had argument with local authority about disposal of colour TV CRT glass - it is lead glass. They had been screaming about the amount of lead being handled ! They treat it as if it is actually free lead or toxic free-salt/compound. Same with mercury. I don't know what lack-of science and chemistry is taught these days but it is totally pathetic! Well, isn't anti-vaccines movement getting stronger nowadays? I think that if anti-vaccines or flat-earth are things in todays world, we need no explanation why someone CAN'T understand the concept of mercury being trapped inside a tube (which, if they handle the package as supposed, should never break), and even if it comes outside, it is many times smaller amount than in a thermometer - I bet you'd need to break an original box of 25 IN-18 tubes to get this amount of mercury! When we live in an "advanced" culture it behoves us to know an amount of stuff. It can't be totally a Nanny State. Old episode of the Simpsons last night where they made a joke in a speech about "get a half-life" makes me ponder whether it just went straight over the heads of the majority of viewers. People tend to vote and politicians get to decide about waste dumps etc. How can "we" get the right answers when the voters are clueless about the issues. The Greenies and 'enlightened' pollies here in Oz have done a lot of damage over the years through being rather ignorant - just enough knowledge to be dangerous. Doesn't matter how good the science advisers are - the pollies get to set the terms of reference and the scope. Reason for the above... a lead-in to this. That tube guy said he had been checking out the ebay setup with ebay guys. How about someone who is a stake holder trying to chat with the global shipping ninnies? I think the problem lies in education, and to be more specific - lack of ability to differ real knowledge from bullshit. The internet, while being a wonderful tool for work and learning (I was raised in the internet era and seriously, I can't understand how you were supposed to educate yourself at home without the internet!), is also a great place for stupid people and trolls. The biggest issue in searching for information is the ability to see what is a true scientific answer and what is made up by someone. I think that many people believe the latter one because the information is easier to digest than a full scientific report. It will sound logical, but many people won't see a big flaw in the logic of the non-scientist. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "neonixie-l" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. 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