RE: [neonixie-l] Re: Nixie Socket for B5971 & B8971

[Michail Wilson]

I am working on adapting the site now.

 

Michail Wilson

206-920-6312

 

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Michail-

 

Not sure if it will help but does the Taylor font editor work with the B-5971 
tubes?  I also wonder if the lucasmall font editor on github might help us?

https://github.com/lucsmall/Burroughs-B-7971-Nixie-Tube-Character-Designer

https://b7971.lucsmall.com/

 

It seems as though we could adapt the editor since it's open source to make it 
a B-5971 font editor without too much trouble... the beauty of open source 
software.

 

B

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RE: [neonixie-l] Re: Nixie Socket for B5971 & B8971

[Michail Wilson]

Bill,

 

I am familiar with the site.

Unfortunately, it’s specific to B7971 and the output is for 2 bytes together 
instead of the smartsocket code which has the two bytes separate.

 

It can be converted, but would probably take more time doing that than simply 
changing the font manually (at least for the defaults in source which is now 
done).

 

Michail Wilson

206-920-6312

 

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Michail-

 

Not sure if it will help but does the Taylor font editor work with the B-5971 
tubes?  I also wonder if the lucasmall font editor on github might help us?

https://github.com/lucsmall/Burroughs-B-7971-Nixie-Tube-Character-Designer

https://b7971.lucsmall.com/

 

It seems as though we could adapt the editor since it's open source to make it 
a B-5971 font editor without too much trouble... the beauty of open source 
software.

 

B

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Re: [neonixie-l] Re: Nixie Socket for B5971 & B8971

[Bill Notfaded]

Michail-

Not sure if it will help but does the Taylor font editor work with the 
B-5971 tubes?  I also wonder if the lucasmall font editor on github might 
help us?
https://github.com/lucsmall/Burroughs-B-7971-Nixie-Tube-Character-Designer
https://b7971.lucsmall.com/

It seems as though we could adapt the editor since it's open source to make 
it a B-5971 font editor without too much trouble... the beauty of open 
source software.

B

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RE: [neonixie-l] Re: Nixie Socket for B5971 & B8971

[Michail Wilson]

Bill,

 

Save you one kit or one set.

 

Let me know if you have questions as I have basically assembled 20 kits so far. 
 Which means I might have the best way to assemble to make it easy.  J

 

PS.  It’s completely your fault for me running down the rabbit whole as you 
made it clear the tubes were being sold on ebay which started it for me.  J

 

Michail Wilson

206-920-6312

 

From: neonixie-l@googlegroups.com [mailto:neonixie-l@googlegroups.com] On 
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Sent: Monday, May 20, 2019 7:34 AM
To: neonixie-l
Subject: Re: [neonixie-l] Re: Nixie Socket for B5971 & B8971

 

Michail-

 

Keep at least one extra kit for me so I have a spareif you've got it.  After 
all of these trials and tribulations we've been through and since there's 
little chance we'll ever find these tubes again I may want a spare set of 
boards.  If you can send it out with the pickit3 that would be cool.  Look like 
it's going to be a soldering week.  Props for digging into the source this 
weekend and redoing the code for the characters.  It's partially my fault for 
leading us down this path since I found the PCB gerbers and suggested this in 
the first place.

 

Thanks,

 

B

On Sunday, May 19, 2019 at 8:12:26 PM UTC-7, M1 wrote:

Ok, posted several very short video tests on youtube.

https://www.youtube.com/user/michailrw

 

Link to all files is:

https://www.dropbox.com/sh/u4benuzenu7bxt6/AACPZRur4FF7vun9npi95Bw0a

 

Michail Wilson

206-920-6312

 

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[mailto:neoni...@googlegroups.com  ] On Behalf Of Jon D.
Sent: Sunday, May 19, 2019 10:10 AM
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Subject: [neonixie-l] Re: Nixie Socket for B5971 & B8971

 

M1,

 

Could you post the source and HEX file for the B-5971 SmartSocket?  I would 
like to build a couple of these.

 

Jon

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RE: [neonixie-l] Re: Nixie Socket for B5971 & B8971

[Michail Wilson]

No problem.

 

There is more work to be done with it, and I will complete it; however, the 
current code in dropbox works.  You’re safe to use it; however, I am going to 
add better fonts/features preloaded in the HEX file for UDCs.

 

So, if you’re not in a hurry for an end solution, then I would wait until it’s 
done.  I just wanted to get working code available for anyone that already has 
these tubes and/or kits to get them working now.

 

If there is any font/feature you have a suggestion for, please let me know.

 

Also, B7971 code has a font called BITS.  Does anyone know what this is 
supposed to be / look like?

 

Michail Wilson

206-920-6312

 

From: neonixie-l@googlegroups.com [mailto:neonixie-l@googlegroups.com] On 
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Sent: Monday, May 20, 2019 7:40 AM
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Michael,

 

Thanks for posting the updated PIC files.

 

Jon D.

 

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Re: [neonixie-l] Re: Nixie Socket for B5971 & B8971

[Bill Notfaded]

Michail-

Keep at least one extra kit for me so I have a spareif you've got it.  
After all of these trials and tribulations we've been through and since 
there's little chance we'll ever find these tubes again I may want a spare 
set of boards.  If you can send it out with the pickit3 that would be 
cool.  Look like it's going to be a soldering week.  Props for digging into 
the source this weekend and redoing the code for the characters.  It's 
partially my fault for leading us down this path since I found the PCB 
gerbers and suggested this in the first place.

Thanks,

B

On Sunday, May 19, 2019 at 8:12:26 PM UTC-7, M1 wrote:
>
> Ok, posted several very short video tests on youtube.
>
> https://www.youtube.com/user/michailrw
>
>  
>
> Link to all files is:
>
> https://www.dropbox.com/sh/u4benuzenu7bxt6/AACPZRur4FF7vun9npi95Bw0a
>
>  
>
> Michail Wilson
>
> 206-920-6312
>
>  
>
> *From:* neoni...@googlegroups.com  [mailto:
> neoni...@googlegroups.com ] *On Behalf Of *Jon D.
> *Sent:* Sunday, May 19, 2019 10:10 AM
> *To:* neonixie-l
> *Subject:* [neonixie-l] Re: Nixie Socket for B5971 & B8971
>
>  
>
> M1,
>
>  
>
> Could you post the source and HEX file for the B-5971 SmartSocket?  I 
> would like to build a couple of these.
>
>  
>
> Jon
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RE: [neonixie-l] Re: Nixie Socket for B5971 & B8971

[Michail Wilson]

Ok, posted several very short video tests on youtube.

https://www.youtube.com/user/michailrw

 

Link to all files is:

https://www.dropbox.com/sh/u4benuzenu7bxt6/AACPZRur4FF7vun9npi95Bw0a

 

Michail Wilson

206-920-6312

 

From: neonixie-l@googlegroups.com [mailto:neonixie-l@googlegroups.com] On 
Behalf Of Jon D.
Sent: Sunday, May 19, 2019 10:10 AM
To: neonixie-l
Subject: [neonixie-l] Re: Nixie Socket for B5971 & B8971

 

M1,

 

Could you post the source and HEX file for the B-5971 SmartSocket?  I would 
like to build a couple of these.

 

Jon

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RE: [neonixie-l] Re: Nixie Socket for B5971 & B8971

[Michail Wilson]

Jon,

 

I put it in my dropbox.

The following is a link to the folder of the original source:

https://www.dropbox.com/sh/u4benuzenu7bxt6/AACPZRur4FF7vun9npi95Bw0a?dl=0

 

Currently there is only the original code from the yahoo forums (which doesn’t 
work).

 

I will update it as I finish the code modifications to make it work as intended.

 

To keep a copy of the original code/information, I will post the code and HEX 
as:

B5971 SmartSocket MOD(modified)  Both the HEX and Source.   Likely tonight.

 

I will have a few kits available as I ordered extra parts.  I admit, it’s much 
more fun doing everything yourself than buying a kit.

 

Michail 

 

From: neonixie-l@googlegroups.com [mailto:neonixie-l@googlegroups.com] On 
Behalf Of Jon D.
Sent: Sunday, May 19, 2019 10:10 AM
To: neonixie-l
Subject: [neonixie-l] Re: Nixie Socket for B5971 & B8971

 

M1,

 

Could you post the source and HEX file for the B-5971 SmartSocket?  I would 
like to build a couple of these.

 

Jon

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Re: [neonixie-l] Re: Nixie Socket for B5971 & B8971

[Bill Notfaded]

It was never finished before it looks like.  Pretty crazy considering the
PCBs?  Doesn't make much sense does it?  I'm glad you figured it out.

Bill

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> Confirmed that the hardware is of sound design; hoewver, the HEX file
> doesn't work.  The source code compiled produces the same HEX file
> confirming that there was no corruption in the upload to the file section.
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Re: [neonixie-l] Re: Nixie Socket for B5971 & B8971

[M1]

Confirmed that the hardware is of sound design; hoewver, the HEX file 
doesn't work.  The source code compiled produces the same HEX file 
confirming that there was no corruption in the upload to the file section.

The source had to be changed and now I have a working HEX file now.

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Re: [neonixie-l] Re: Nixie Socket for B5971 & B8971

[M1]

>
> SmartSocket.
>
>
I've ordered all the parts and assembled a couple of kits; however, I can't 
get the tube to light up with the yahoo hex file.

Does anyone have a working HEX file for the B5971 smartsocket?

I've confirmed the hardware is good and working.  (Specifically by using 
the hex for the B7971 and segments light up (obviously not correctly)) and 
manually applying VDD to the segment pins in the socket without the PIC 
installed.
I've also double checked that the file I'm programming into the PIC is the 
same in the yahoo groups files section.

Any help would be appreciated.
 

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Re: [neonixie-l] Re: Nixie Socket for B5971 & B8971

[Bill Notfaded]

I've got 9 completed smartsocket boards built to start out and another
dozen without anything on the boards yet.  I'm actually thinking of hooking
some up this weekend with the calculator program John Taylor created to
test the smartsockets.  Maybe link a few together and send
some $B7M and some fonts and effects... I've got all of the pieces
I need I think.  I got an old laptop power supply to be my main PS.  It's
12V/5A.  I have a circuit that takes 12V and outputs both 5V and 3.3V, a
logic converter circuit to switch the raspberry pi 3.3 logic to 5V for the
smartsockets, and 4 of John Taylor's HVPS the vertical smaller ones.  I've
heard you can run 3 b-7971 off one of his PS but I may use one per two
tubes to be conservative so lighting all the segments and underline won't
strain things.

With the pi running the show it'll have ntp and interface to pretty much
anything on the net.  I'm thinking to use python on the pi.  Remote control
can be from the web or from Android app later after the pi3 is running ok.

Bill

On Fri, Apr 26, 2019, 5:53 AM 'Greg P' via neonixie-l <
neonixie-l@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> I too have a stash of 5971's I'd like to put to use.  I'll be curious to
> see how the Smart Socket project turns out.  How many tubes will be in your
> 7971 array?
>
>
>
> On Thursday, April 25, 2019 at 10:47:20 PM UTC-4, Bill Notfaded wrote:
>>
>> I concur Greg my emerald is a keeper... I can't wait until Michail and
>> team get our baby 5971's smartsockets going too! I'll make some video of
>> the whole family together.  ;^}
>>
>> I'm working on a bigger 7971 array with Taylor ss and a raspberry pi3
>> front end so I can sky is limit interface to the array connected to the net.
>>
>> Bill
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RE: [neonixie-l] Re: Nixie Socket for B5971 & B8971

[Michail Wilson]

For the B5971 tubes…

I ordered enough parts to make 40 units.

Many items made it cheaper to get some number above that.

So, I might be able to get enough to make a few extra.

 

Example… Resistors were cheaper to buy 50 rather than 40

Transistors… 600 instead of 520.   Meaning, ordering 520 actually cost more 
than buying 600.

 

OSHPark sent 44 sets of boards instead of the 40 I ordered.  Kudos on them.

 

So, I might have a few extra in the end.

 

24 Me

06 Bill

06 Thomas

36 of 40 (plus possibly 4 extra)

 

 

I would also like to put an array together of the B7971.  Guess I need to order 
more B7971 smart sockets.

 

As for the B5971 socket, I think this thread is for the Marcin Saj 
[mar...@nixietester.com] Tube Tester.  I ordered one.   Will be nice to have a 
single tester for most tubes.   You need the tube or the socket?   Guessing you 
got the tube from the only guy on ebay selling them.  Doubt you need the SK-136 
socket itself.  If so, there is only one person selling them.  (Meaning, all 
others are sockets, but missing the two center pins, and the 1 ebay person that 
has the correct one is stilling them with another tube that doesn’t even use 
them and they will not separate or come down on the price).

 

 

Michail 

 

From: 'Greg P' via neonixie-l [mailto:neonixie-l@googlegroups.com] 
Sent: Friday, April 26, 2019 5:53 AM
To: neonixie-l
Subject: Re: [neonixie-l] Re: Nixie Socket for B5971 & B8971

 

I too have a stash of 5971's I'd like to put to use.  I'll be curious to see 
how the Smart Socket project turns out.  How many tubes will be in your 7971 
array?

 



On Thursday, April 25, 2019 at 10:47:20 PM UTC-4, Bill Notfaded wrote:

I concur Greg my emerald is a keeper... I can't wait until Michail and team get 
our baby 5971's smartsockets going too! I'll make some video of the whole 
family together.  ;^}

I'm working on a bigger 7971 array with Taylor ss and a raspberry pi3 front end 
so I can sky is limit interface to the array connected to the net.

Bill

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Re: [neonixie-l] Re: Nixie Socket for B5971 & B8971

['Greg P' via neonixie-l]

I too have a stash of 5971's I'd like to put to use.  I'll be curious to 
see how the Smart Socket project turns out.  How many tubes will be in your 
7971 array?



On Thursday, April 25, 2019 at 10:47:20 PM UTC-4, Bill Notfaded wrote:
>
> I concur Greg my emerald is a keeper... I can't wait until Michail and 
> team get our baby 5971's smartsockets going too! I'll make some video of 
> the whole family together.  ;^}
>
> I'm working on a bigger 7971 array with Taylor ss and a raspberry pi3 
> front end so I can sky is limit interface to the array connected to the net.
>
> Bill
>
>

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Re: [neonixie-l] Re: Nixie Socket for B5971 & B8971

[Bill Notfaded]

Japanese made really nice tubes... I recently acquired some Micronata 
multimeters that I've been cleaning up nice.  They just don't make things like 
that anymore.  I'll ping you direct about the tubes later.

B

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Re: [neonixie-l] Re: Nixie Socket for B5971 & B8971

[Bill Notfaded]

I concur Greg my emerald is a keeper... I can't wait until Michail and team get 
our baby 5971's smartsockets going too! I'll make some video of the whole 
family together.  ;^}

I'm working on a bigger 7971 array with Taylor ss and a raspberry pi3 front end 
so I can sky is limit interface to the array connected to the net.

Bill

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RE: [neonixie-l] Re: Nixie Socket for B5971 & B8971

[Michail Wilson]

Two sets on ebay now.   5971   (same seller)

https://www.ebay.com/itm/NL5971-B5971-B-5971-Alphanumeric-Nixie-Tubes-6-pcs-NOS-NIB-MOD-SIX-Clock-/264286773379

 

 

 

Michail Wilson

206-920-6312

 

From: 'Greg P' via neonixie-l [mailto:neonixie-l@googlegroups.com] 
Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2019 11:40 AM
To: neonixie-l
Subject: Re: [neonixie-l] Re: Nixie Socket for B5971 & B8971

 

My money is the 8971's were made in much smaller numbers.  I've only ever seen 
them sold by one seller, and he's sold out now.  5971's pop up frequently.

 

Glad I got mine when I did and they're glowing proudly in my Black Emerald.

 

 


On Thursday, April 25, 2019 at 8:56:40 AM UTC-4, Bill Notfaded wrote:

I wish someone would sell that many sets of B-8971!  We can dream.  I wonder 
which were made in smaller numbers the 5971 or 8971?

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Re: [neonixie-l] Re: Nixie Socket for B5971 & B8971

['Greg P' via neonixie-l]

My money is the 8971's were made in much smaller numbers.  I've only ever 
seen them sold by one seller, and he's sold out now.  5971's pop up 
frequently.

Glad I got mine when I did and they're glowing proudly in my Black Emerald.



On Thursday, April 25, 2019 at 8:56:40 AM UTC-4, Bill Notfaded wrote:
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> I wish someone would sell that many sets of B-8971!  We can dream.  I 
> wonder which were made in smaller numbers the 5971 or 8971?

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Re: [neonixie-l] Re: Nixie Socket for B5971 & B8971

[martin martin]

I have a box of B-5750s.  They are tiny and clear.  Need any?  Burroughs
made in Japan in '68

On Thu, Apr 25, 2019 at 5:56 AM Bill Notfaded  wrote:

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> wonder which were made in smaller numbers the 5971 or 8971?
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RE: [neonixie-l] Re: Nixie Socket for B5971 & B8971

[Bill Notfaded]

I wish someone would sell that many sets of B-8971!  We can dream.  I wonder 
which were made in smaller numbers the 5971 or 8971?

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RE: [neonixie-l] Re: Nixie Socket for B5971 & B8971

[Michail Wilson]

That guy on ebay posted another two sets.

 

https://www.ebay.com/itm/NL5971-B5971-B-5971-Alphanumeric-Nixie-Tubes-6-pcs-NOS-NIB-MOD-SIX-Clock/264286773379

 

Michail 

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