Re: [NetBehaviour] Free speech

[Alan Sondheim via NetBehaviour]

It's also related to "filter bubbles" - trying to push content that we
appear to be interested in, and not allowing problematic or contradictory
materials in. And we can't turn this off at all. It's a push phenomenology,
not a pull one; it resides with the corporate and god knows what else, not
with us. There are times I think it's dangerous to click on X, because it
will suddenly "blossom" in the feed; the only way around this would be to
have multiple machines and multiple accounts...

All of us need to deal with this!

Best, Alan

On Fri, Jan 8, 2021 at 3:10 PM Edward Picot via NetBehaviour <
netbehaviour@lists.netbehaviour.org> wrote:

> I'm genuinely conflicted about it.
>
> It occurs to me to wonder how the algorithms work - if I look at a video
> about conspiracy theories on YouTube, for example, am I then presented with
> a lot more videos about conspiracy theories next time I visit? I think the
> answer to this is probably yes, because I looked at a video of Trump doing
> his YMCA dance (which apparently he does quite frequently at the end of his
> rallies), thinking about re-using it for satirical purposes, and now every
> time I go to YouTube it wants me to look at more videos of Trump dancing.
>
> I think the algorithms are one of the most insidious and damaging aspects
> of Web 2 - instead of genuinely exploring the web and coming across new
> things, which I seem to remember we used to do in the early 2000s, we now
> find ourselves in a commercialised feedback-loop which presents us over and
> over again with amplified (and monetized) versions of whatever beliefs and
> ideas and interests we had in the first place. Perhaps there's some mileage
> in legislating against the algorithms.
>
> Edward
>
>
> On 08/01/2021 19:16, Alan Sondheim via NetBehaviour wrote:
>
> I think some safeguards need to be put into place; if you look at the
> propaganda-machine-work in Nazi Germany, it can do terrible harm. But in
> the U.S. under Reagen, the fairness doctrine was scrapped, which meant
> local news outlets of all sorts could be grabbed up by opinionated
> multi-nationals, and you get people like Rush Linbaugh spreading hatred
> unchallenged in rural areas - probably the biggest swatch of territory in
> the country. That's where "these people" get their news, unchallenged. It's
> far-right-wing money. I also think hate speech might be covered more
> directly - one of the tshirts at the riot said in abbreviated form - 6
> million is not enough. What do you do with that?
>
> Best, Alan (mind you I've been censored on YouTube and elsewhere myself, I
> think unfairly, so you might make a counter-argument that it's all in the
> eye/ear of the beholder. It's an aporia.)
>
> On Fri, Jan 8, 2021 at 2:07 PM Edward Picot via NetBehaviour <
> netbehaviour@lists.netbehaviour.org> wrote:
>
>> What do people think - have we reached the point at which social media
>> companies should be prosecuted for allowing hate-speech, incitements to
>> violence, demonstrable untruths and conspiracy theories to be uploaded
>> onto their sites?
>>
>> Should they be regarded as publishers, and therefore legally responsible
>> for their content?
>>
>> I'm genuinely torn, but I think maybe we've now reached that point. I'd
>> be very interested to hear what others think.
>>
>> Edward
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Re: [NetBehaviour] Free speech

[Edward Picot via NetBehaviour]

I'm genuinely conflicted about it.

It occurs to me to wonder how the algorithms work - if I look at a video 
about conspiracy theories on YouTube, for example, am I then presented 
with a lot more videos about conspiracy theories next time I visit? I 
think the answer to this is probably yes, because I looked at a video of 
Trump doing his YMCA dance (which apparently he does quite frequently at 
the end of his rallies), thinking about re-using it for satirical 
purposes, and now every time I go to YouTube it wants me to look at more 
videos of Trump dancing.


I think the algorithms are one of the most insidious and damaging 
aspects of Web 2 - instead of genuinely exploring the web and coming 
across new things, which I seem to remember we used to do in the early 
2000s, we now find ourselves in a commercialised feedback-loop which 
presents us over and over again with amplified (and monetized) versions 
of whatever beliefs and ideas and interests we had in the first place. 
Perhaps there's some mileage in legislating against the algorithms.


Edward


On 08/01/2021 19:16, Alan Sondheim via NetBehaviour wrote:
I think some safeguards need to be put into place; if you look at the 
propaganda-machine-work in Nazi Germany, it can do terrible harm. But 
in the U.S. under Reagen, the fairness doctrine was scrapped, which 
meant local news outlets of all sorts could be grabbed up by 
opinionated multi-nationals, and you get people like Rush Linbaugh 
spreading hatred unchallenged in rural areas - probably the biggest 
swatch of territory in the country. That's where "these people" get 
their news, unchallenged. It's far-right-wing money. I also think hate 
speech might be covered more directly - one of the tshirts at the riot 
said in abbreviated form - 6 million is not enough. What do you do 
with that?


Best, Alan (mind you I've been censored on YouTube and elsewhere 
myself, I think unfairly, so you might make a counter-argument that 
it's all in the eye/ear of the beholder. It's an aporia.)


On Fri, Jan 8, 2021 at 2:07 PM Edward Picot via NetBehaviour 
> wrote:


What do people think - have we reached the point at which social
media
companies should be prosecuted for allowing hate-speech,
incitements to
violence, demonstrable untruths and conspiracy theories to be
uploaded
onto their sites?

Should they be regarded as publishers, and therefore legally
responsible
for their content?

I'm genuinely torn, but I think maybe we've now reached that
point. I'd
be very interested to hear what others think.

Edward

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Re: [NetBehaviour] 3rd Be-coming Tree Global Live Art Event

[Max Herman via NetBehaviour]

Hi Danielle,

I will try to attend!  The elm tree I like to visit is very large, 40 meters in 
diameter for the canopy and 4.5 meters circumference for the trunk.

Best regards,

Max



From: Danielle Imara 
Sent: Friday, January 8, 2021 4:49 AM
To: Max Herman ; ruthcat...@gmail.com 
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Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] 3rd Be-coming Tree Global Live Art Event

Re: Re: 3rd Be-coming Tree Global Live Art Event (Ruth Catlow and Max Herman)

Ruth, I am so excited by the article you shared. Such a great thought to extend 
our kinship to AI. On one level, if we are imprinting the AI with our own 
patterns then surely this can only lead to best outcomes in how they develop; 
also for our own psyches to move on from seeing anyone or anything as simply a 
tool or servant to our needs has to be an important part of our evolution 
beyond hierarchical beliefs and structures. Thank you so much for sharing. I 
have been looking at Robin Kimmerer, who from an indigenous viewpoint also 
promotes kinship with all beings and natural forms.

Matthew, loving the thought of your surreptitious tree-hugging. Perhaps we 
should do it more openly so others feel safe to do so. Particularly now that 
human hugging is so very much out of style. Am also reading Powers' The 
Overstory, which is very worthwhile and inspiring.

See if you can attend Be-coming Tree tomorrow and let us know how it was for 
you.

On Thu, 7 Jan 2021 at 17:05, Max Herman 
mailto:maxnmher...@hotmail.com>> wrote:

Hi Ruth and Danielle,

I have to second the great value of trees of late.  I bought the Overstory but 
haven't read it yet, though a friend circulated a recent article about the 
real-life tree scientist Suzanne Simard who formed the basis for one of the 
characters.

Daily walks among the cottonwoods along the Mississippi were a great help in 
completing my book about the Mona Lisa in November.  Closer to home there is a 
giant elm, a rarity since the beetle infestations of the 70's, which I try to 
greet every day and when no one is watching, hug.  

Very best,

Max

PS -- thanks for link to article on indigenous concepts in AI, will review.


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 on behalf of Ruth Catlow via NetBehaviour 
mailto:netbehaviour@lists.netbehaviour.org>>
Sent: Thursday, January 7, 2021 4:52 AM
To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity 
mailto:netbehaviour@lists.netbehaviour.org>>
Cc: Ruth Catlow mailto:ruthcat...@gmail.com>>; Danielle 
Imara mailto:danielleim...@gmail.com>>
Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] 3rd Be-coming Tree Global Live Art Event

Thanks for sharing this Danielle,

And this prompts me to share Making Kin with the Machines, a wonderful article 
by Jason Lewis, Noelani Arista, Archer Pechawis and Suzanne Kite.
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/326614247_Making_Kin_with_the_Machines

I first came across it republished as a chapter in the (very enjoyable) Atlas 
of Anomalous AI edited by 
Ben Vickers & K Allado-McDowel.

It proposes that indigenous protocols and customs are an expression of the best 
ontologies and epistemologies for healing the land and should therefore be 
central to all AI developments.
Drawing on a range of indigenous systems of knowledge it argues convincingly 
against the grave error of centering of human flourishing in Joi Ito's 
Resisting Reduction 
Manifesto.
They argue that because knowledge is born of relationship with the land, human 
ethics demands disciplined and respectful making kin with all things (who are 
also beings) on earth - aiming for long term balance, and openness to the 
mystery of relating to multiple sentiences.

I think this struck me especially strongly as I have spent the winter holidays 
taking solace in tramping through dank woodlands and a powerful feeling of 
being welcomed by the society of trees that live there.

Warmly
Ruth

On Thu, Jan 7, 2021 at 9:13 AM Danielle Imara via NetBehaviour 
mailto:netbehaviour@lists.netbehaviour.org>>
 wrote:
Be-coming Tree

On Saturday Jan 9th 31 live artists from across the globe will interact with a 
chosen tree simultaneously for one hour. These durational artworks will be 
accessed via a shared Zoom webinar. Audiences will see artists in their 
landscapes in Africa, Asia, North and South America, and all over Europe on the 
same screen. There will be a live soundscape created from tree data via 
analogue synths playing throughout. Tickets (pay what you can) include a 
donation to plant a rainforest tree.
I am humbled by the quality of artists taking part in the event!
This entanglement with nature and technology inspires reciprocity with nature 
and a sense of global kinship with artists and their trees, while contributing 
to reforestation. Tickets: 

Re: [NetBehaviour] Free speech

[Alan Sondheim via NetBehaviour]

I think some safeguards need to be put into place; if you look at the
propaganda-machine-work in Nazi Germany, it can do terrible harm. But in
the U.S. under Reagen, the fairness doctrine was scrapped, which meant
local news outlets of all sorts could be grabbed up by opinionated
multi-nationals, and you get people like Rush Linbaugh spreading hatred
unchallenged in rural areas - probably the biggest swatch of territory in
the country. That's where "these people" get their news, unchallenged. It's
far-right-wing money. I also think hate speech might be covered more
directly - one of the tshirts at the riot said in abbreviated form - 6
million is not enough. What do you do with that?

Best, Alan (mind you I've been censored on YouTube and elsewhere myself, I
think unfairly, so you might make a counter-argument that it's all in the
eye/ear of the beholder. It's an aporia.)

On Fri, Jan 8, 2021 at 2:07 PM Edward Picot via NetBehaviour <
netbehaviour@lists.netbehaviour.org> wrote:

> What do people think - have we reached the point at which social media
> companies should be prosecuted for allowing hate-speech, incitements to
> violence, demonstrable untruths and conspiracy theories to be uploaded
> onto their sites?
>
> Should they be regarded as publishers, and therefore legally responsible
> for their content?
>
> I'm genuinely torn, but I think maybe we've now reached that point. I'd
> be very interested to hear what others think.
>
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Re: [NetBehaviour] Expulsion, Refuge, Wittgenstein, Pirke Avot

[Alan Sondheim via NetBehaviour]

Sshhh I try to be deep but I fail! :-(

On Fri, Jan 8, 2021 at 1:59 PM Edward Picot via NetBehaviour <
netbehaviour@lists.netbehaviour.org> wrote:

> I love this. What was that you said about not being able to write poetry?
>
> On 05/01/2021 22:09, Alan Sondheim wrote:
> >
> >
> > Expulsion, Refuge, Wittgenstein, Pirke Avot
> >
> > http://www.alansondheim.org/tlp.jpg
> >
> > Wittgenstein, Tractatus Logico-Philosophicus
> > Expulsion as the foundation of organization.
> >
> > Neither this nor that:::
> > Not both this and that:::
> >
> > The rest of the structure of propositional logic follows suit.
> >
> > "Wovon man nicht sprechen kann, darueber muss man schweigen."
> > - What we cannot speak about, we must pass over in silence.
> > (trans. Pears and McGuinness)
> > - Whereof one cannot speak, thereof one must be silent.
> > (trans. Ogden)
> >
> > How does this tally with refugee status? For if we do not speak
> > up, then we are complicit. I think of TLP in relation at this
> > point in time to the necessity of speech. What about W's
> > sexuality, his Judaism? His Catholicism?
> >
> > "The family appeared to have a strong streak of depression
> > running through it." (Wikipedia)
> >
> > The clarity of the work, clean and proper body, architecture -
> > "Music came to a full stop with Brahms; and even in Brahms I can
> > begin to hear the noise of machinery." ibid. But this is not
> > Kristeva's body (Powers of Horror); it's something else. The
> > clarity sought disappears in the later work, color for example,
> > on mathematics, all indeterminate, create a great deal of noise.
> >
> > So a deliberate misreading of W. for which I ask forgiveness;
> > it is worth it, is it, to consider as well the tawdry, sleazy,
> > abject, decrepit, miasmatic, leakage of the chora? For even in
> > considerations of color (or colour, and what might that add or
> > detract?), one might imagine a clean room, not for example a
> > football pitch.
> >
> > Once you have A, B - distinction, then expulsion. Or just A for
> > example, Not both A & A and therefore everything else; Neither A
> > nor A, neti neti ghost both, therefore everything else. Or at
> > least within the aegis of the operation, the potential of
> > everything else: who knows?
> >
> > [The _humanization_ of propositional logic, here a deliberate
> > misreading. And do not forget the TLP in its entirety; too often
> > there are 'breezy' misreadings jumping to the last sections, as
> > if the rest is irrelevant; it isn't; it's the describable world.]
> >
> > What is expelled, what is annihilated, what is discarded, what is
> > deprecated, what is forgotten, what is lost ::
> > Who is expelled, who are annihilated, who are discarded, who are
> > deprecated, who are forgotten, who are lost ::
> >
> > Here in Central Falls there an ICE detention center: "More than
> > 60 ICE detainees on 'hunger strike' call for release" ...
> >
> > Shortly before the silence:
> > "6.52 We feel that even when all _possible_ scientific questions
> > have been answered, the problems of life remain completely
> > untouched. Of course there are then no questions left, and this
> > itself in the answer."
> > and
> > "6.521 The solution of the problem of life is seen in the
> > vanishing of the problem." [...]
> >
> > This silence, also, in
> > "6.522 There are, indeed, things that cannot be put into words.
> > They _make themselves manifest._ They are what is mystical."
> >
> > The scaffolding of expulsion disappears, everything empties out.
> > I think of Amery, however, so many others, the lost, the
> > disappeared around the world, the annihilated, those whose
> > history is absolutely destroyed. They mystical relates to the
> > numinous, the sublime, what of the inconceivable depths of
> > genocide? What of that?
> >
> > "Put a fence around the Torah." "The quote you are looking for
> > is to be found in the Mishnah, at the opening of the Tractate
> > 'Aboth.'" Do we seep beneath the bridge, and who are we who even
> > now, all of us, are in danger of disappearing?
> >
> > Do we seep, do we sweep?
> >
> > "Dhamma
> > 17. Having wandered for alms, leaning on a stick, weak, with
> > trembling limbs I fell to the ground in that very spot, having
> > seen peril in the body. Then my mind was completely released."
> > Elders' Verses, Therigatha, trans. Norman
> >
> >
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[NetBehaviour] Free speech

[Edward Picot via NetBehaviour]

What do people think - have we reached the point at which social media 
companies should be prosecuted for allowing hate-speech, incitements to 
violence, demonstrable untruths and conspiracy theories to be uploaded 
onto their sites?


Should they be regarded as publishers, and therefore legally responsible 
for their content?


I'm genuinely torn, but I think maybe we've now reached that point. I'd 
be very interested to hear what others think.


Edward

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Re: [NetBehaviour] Expulsion, Refuge, Wittgenstein, Pirke Avot

[Edward Picot via NetBehaviour]

I love this. What was that you said about not being able to write poetry?

On 05/01/2021 22:09, Alan Sondheim wrote:



Expulsion, Refuge, Wittgenstein, Pirke Avot

http://www.alansondheim.org/tlp.jpg

Wittgenstein, Tractatus Logico-Philosophicus
Expulsion as the foundation of organization.

Neither this nor that:::
Not both this and that:::

The rest of the structure of propositional logic follows suit.

"Wovon man nicht sprechen kann, darueber muss man schweigen."
- What we cannot speak about, we must pass over in silence.
(trans. Pears and McGuinness)
- Whereof one cannot speak, thereof one must be silent.
(trans. Ogden)

How does this tally with refugee status? For if we do not speak
up, then we are complicit. I think of TLP in relation at this
point in time to the necessity of speech. What about W's
sexuality, his Judaism? His Catholicism?

"The family appeared to have a strong streak of depression
running through it." (Wikipedia)

The clarity of the work, clean and proper body, architecture -
"Music came to a full stop with Brahms; and even in Brahms I can
begin to hear the noise of machinery." ibid. But this is not
Kristeva's body (Powers of Horror); it's something else. The
clarity sought disappears in the later work, color for example,
on mathematics, all indeterminate, create a great deal of noise.

So a deliberate misreading of W. for which I ask forgiveness;
it is worth it, is it, to consider as well the tawdry, sleazy,
abject, decrepit, miasmatic, leakage of the chora? For even in
considerations of color (or colour, and what might that add or
detract?), one might imagine a clean room, not for example a
football pitch.

Once you have A, B - distinction, then expulsion. Or just A for
example, Not both A & A and therefore everything else; Neither A
nor A, neti neti ghost both, therefore everything else. Or at
least within the aegis of the operation, the potential of
everything else: who knows?

[The _humanization_ of propositional logic, here a deliberate
misreading. And do not forget the TLP in its entirety; too often
there are 'breezy' misreadings jumping to the last sections, as
if the rest is irrelevant; it isn't; it's the describable world.]

What is expelled, what is annihilated, what is discarded, what is
deprecated, what is forgotten, what is lost ::
Who is expelled, who are annihilated, who are discarded, who are
deprecated, who are forgotten, who are lost ::

Here in Central Falls there an ICE detention center: "More than
60 ICE detainees on 'hunger strike' call for release" ...

Shortly before the silence:
"6.52 We feel that even when all _possible_ scientific questions
have been answered, the problems of life remain completely
untouched. Of course there are then no questions left, and this
itself in the answer."
and
"6.521 The solution of the problem of life is seen in the
vanishing of the problem." [...]

This silence, also, in
"6.522 There are, indeed, things that cannot be put into words.
They _make themselves manifest._ They are what is mystical."

The scaffolding of expulsion disappears, everything empties out.
I think of Amery, however, so many others, the lost, the
disappeared around the world, the annihilated, those whose
history is absolutely destroyed. They mystical relates to the
numinous, the sublime, what of the inconceivable depths of
genocide? What of that?

"Put a fence around the Torah." "The quote you are looking for
is to be found in the Mishnah, at the opening of the Tractate
'Aboth.'" Do we seep beneath the bridge, and who are we who even
now, all of us, are in danger of disappearing?

Do we seep, do we sweep?

"Dhamma
17. Having wandered for alms, leaning on a stick, weak, with
trembling limbs I fell to the ground in that very spot, having
seen peril in the body. Then my mind was completely released."
Elders' Verses, Therigatha, trans. Norman


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[NetBehaviour] Shift

[Alan Sondheim]

Shift

Electric saz solo shifted against itself in editing, earphones to
hear the cross-over point, experiment in acoustics and technique.
In this difficult time (and for some reason there are fire-
engines across the street, as if something happened at the federal
building; we woke up early, think it's a false alarm), smooth saz
is comforting. We just heard another siren, but people seem to be
returning early to work. The two engines are still there. Are we
all more jumpy than usual? We had very very little sleep, now the
engines are leaving and the deep-throated rumble of nothing has
disappeared. Meanwhile the strange acoustics fascinates me; all
that occurred in post-production.

http://www.alansondheim.org/shift.jpg
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Re: [NetBehaviour] 3rd Be-coming Tree Global Live Art Event

[Ruth Catlow via NetBehaviour]

ha ha!
I love the idea that we should use this moment in which  hugging is
generally "out of style" to start hugging trees.

I have been very drawn to indigenous perspectives.
Last year I also recently read Robin Wall Kimmerer's Braiding Sweetgrass

which
braids "Western" botanical science with indigenous American epistomologies.
And then this astonishing All My Relations podcast
created by 2 intersectional
feminist indigenous American women.
In both the book and the podcast I was initially drawn by the
chapters/episodes about language-loss and then stayed for the relational
lens on all aspects of life which resonates for me with DIWO approaches to
network culture.

I'm planning to join the tree-becoming event tomorrow. : )
Ruth

On Fri, Jan 8, 2021 at 10:49 AM Danielle Imara 
wrote:

> Re: Re: 3rd Be-coming Tree Global Live Art Event (Ruth Catlow and Max
> Herman)
>
> Ruth, I am so excited by the article you shared. Such a great thought to
> extend our kinship to AI. On one level, if we are imprinting the AI with
> our own patterns then surely this can only lead to best outcomes in how
> they develop; also for our own psyches to move on from seeing anyone or
> anything as simply a tool or servant to our needs has to be an important
> part of our evolution beyond hierarchical beliefs and structures. Thank you
> so much for sharing. I have been looking at Robin Kimmerer, who from an
> indigenous viewpoint also promotes kinship with all beings and natural
> forms.
>
> Matthew, loving the thought of your surreptitious tree-hugging. Perhaps we
> should do it more openly so others feel safe to do so. Particularly now
> that human hugging is so very much out of style. Am also reading Powers'
> The Overstory, which is very worthwhile and inspiring.
>
> See if you can attend Be-coming Tree tomorrow and let us know how it was
> for you.
>
> On Thu, 7 Jan 2021 at 17:05, Max Herman  wrote:
>
>>
>> Hi Ruth and Danielle,
>>
>> I have to second the great value of trees of late.  I bought *the
>> Overstory* but haven't read it yet, though a friend circulated a recent
>> article about the real-life tree scientist Suzanne Simard who formed the
>> basis for one of the characters.
>>
>> Daily walks among the cottonwoods along the Mississippi were a great help
>> in completing my book about the *Mona Lisa* in November.  Closer to home
>> there is a giant elm, a rarity since the beetle infestations of the 70's,
>> which I try to greet every day and when no one is watching, hug.  
>>
>> Very best,
>>
>> Max
>>
>> PS -- thanks for link to article on indigenous concepts in AI, will
>> review.
>>
>> --
>> *From:* NetBehaviour  on
>> behalf of Ruth Catlow via NetBehaviour <
>> netbehaviour@lists.netbehaviour.org>
>> *Sent:* Thursday, January 7, 2021 4:52 AM
>> *To:* NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity <
>> netbehaviour@lists.netbehaviour.org>
>> *Cc:* Ruth Catlow ; Danielle Imara <
>> danielleim...@gmail.com>
>> *Subject:* Re: [NetBehaviour] 3rd Be-coming Tree Global Live Art Event
>>
>> Thanks for sharing this Danielle,
>>
>> And this prompts me to share Making Kin with the Machines, a wonderful
>> article by Jason Lewis, Noelani Arista, Archer Pechawis and Suzanne Kite.
>>
>> https://www.researchgate.net/publication/326614247_Making_Kin_with_the_Machines
>>
>> I first came across it republished as a chapter in the (very enjoyable) Atlas
>> of Anomalous AI  edited
>> by Ben Vickers & K Allado-McDowel.
>>
>> It proposes that indigenous protocols and customs are an expression of
>> the best ontologies and epistemologies for healing the land and should
>> therefore be central to all AI developments.
>> Drawing on a range of indigenous systems of knowledge it argues
>> convincingly against the grave error of centering of human flourishing in
>> Joi Ito's Resisting Reduction Manifesto
>> .
>> They argue that because knowledge is born of relationship with the land,
>> human ethics demands disciplined and respectful making kin with all things
>> (who are also beings) on earth - aiming for long term balance, and openness
>> to the mystery of relating to multiple sentiences.
>>
>> I think this struck me especially strongly as I have spent the winter
>> holidays taking solace in tramping through dank woodlands and a powerful
>> feeling of being welcomed by the society of trees that live there.
>>
>> Warmly
>> Ruth
>>
>> On Thu, Jan 7, 2021 at 9:13 AM Danielle Imara via NetBehaviour <
>> netbehaviour@lists.netbehaviour.org> wrote:
>>
>> Be-coming Tree
>>
>> On Saturday Jan 9th 31 live artists from across the globe will interact
>> with a chosen tree simultaneously for one hour. These 

Re: [NetBehaviour] 3rd Be-coming Tree Global Live Art Event

[Danielle Imara via NetBehaviour]

Re: Re: 3rd Be-coming Tree Global Live Art Event (Ruth Catlow and Max
Herman)

Ruth, I am so excited by the article you shared. Such a great thought to
extend our kinship to AI. On one level, if we are imprinting the AI with
our own patterns then surely this can only lead to best outcomes in how
they develop; also for our own psyches to move on from seeing anyone or
anything as simply a tool or servant to our needs has to be an important
part of our evolution beyond hierarchical beliefs and structures. Thank you
so much for sharing. I have been looking at Robin Kimmerer, who from an
indigenous viewpoint also promotes kinship with all beings and natural
forms.

Matthew, loving the thought of your surreptitious tree-hugging. Perhaps we
should do it more openly so others feel safe to do so. Particularly now
that human hugging is so very much out of style. Am also reading Powers'
The Overstory, which is very worthwhile and inspiring.

See if you can attend Be-coming Tree tomorrow and let us know how it was
for you.

On Thu, 7 Jan 2021 at 17:05, Max Herman  wrote:

>
> Hi Ruth and Danielle,
>
> I have to second the great value of trees of late.  I bought *the
> Overstory* but haven't read it yet, though a friend circulated a recent
> article about the real-life tree scientist Suzanne Simard who formed the
> basis for one of the characters.
>
> Daily walks among the cottonwoods along the Mississippi were a great help
> in completing my book about the *Mona Lisa* in November.  Closer to home
> there is a giant elm, a rarity since the beetle infestations of the 70's,
> which I try to greet every day and when no one is watching, hug.  
>
> Very best,
>
> Max
>
> PS -- thanks for link to article on indigenous concepts in AI, will review.
>
> --
> *From:* NetBehaviour  on
> behalf of Ruth Catlow via NetBehaviour <
> netbehaviour@lists.netbehaviour.org>
> *Sent:* Thursday, January 7, 2021 4:52 AM
> *To:* NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity <
> netbehaviour@lists.netbehaviour.org>
> *Cc:* Ruth Catlow ; Danielle Imara <
> danielleim...@gmail.com>
> *Subject:* Re: [NetBehaviour] 3rd Be-coming Tree Global Live Art Event
>
> Thanks for sharing this Danielle,
>
> And this prompts me to share Making Kin with the Machines, a wonderful
> article by Jason Lewis, Noelani Arista, Archer Pechawis and Suzanne Kite.
>
> https://www.researchgate.net/publication/326614247_Making_Kin_with_the_Machines
>
> I first came across it republished as a chapter in the (very enjoyable) Atlas
> of Anomalous AI  edited
> by Ben Vickers & K Allado-McDowel.
>
> It proposes that indigenous protocols and customs are an expression of the
> best ontologies and epistemologies for healing the land and should
> therefore be central to all AI developments.
> Drawing on a range of indigenous systems of knowledge it argues
> convincingly against the grave error of centering of human flourishing in
> Joi Ito's Resisting Reduction Manifesto
> .
> They argue that because knowledge is born of relationship with the land,
> human ethics demands disciplined and respectful making kin with all things
> (who are also beings) on earth - aiming for long term balance, and openness
> to the mystery of relating to multiple sentiences.
>
> I think this struck me especially strongly as I have spent the winter
> holidays taking solace in tramping through dank woodlands and a powerful
> feeling of being welcomed by the society of trees that live there.
>
> Warmly
> Ruth
>
> On Thu, Jan 7, 2021 at 9:13 AM Danielle Imara via NetBehaviour <
> netbehaviour@lists.netbehaviour.org> wrote:
>
> Be-coming Tree
>
> On Saturday Jan 9th 31 live artists from across the globe will interact
> with a chosen tree simultaneously for one hour. These durational artworks
> will be accessed via a shared Zoom webinar. Audiences will see artists in
> their landscapes in Africa, Asia, North and South America, and all over
> Europe on the same screen. There will be a live soundscape created from
> tree data via analogue synths playing throughout. Tickets (pay what you
> can) include a donation to plant a rainforest tree.
> I am humbled by the quality of artists taking part in the event!
> This entanglement with nature and technology inspires reciprocity with
> nature and a sense of global kinship with artists and their trees, while
> contributing to reforestation. Tickets: *https://tinyurl.com/y8n3unu3*
> 
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