Re: [NetBehaviour] reariting of the conversation by Rhea Myers & McKenzie Wark

[Joumana Mourad]

Thank you Annie 
I am following.
Kindest
> On 13 Mar 2022, at 12:49, Annie Abrahams via NetBehaviour 
>  wrote:
> 
> Here is a post on our reariting session with Brian Droitcour, Ruth Catlow, 
> Gretta Louw, Daniel Temkin and Annie Abrahams.
> Because I, Annie, felt Myers & Wark‘s conversation contained a lot of 
> interesting points that I didn’t really understand, I organized a reariting* 
> of its publication on OUTLAND. I was/am struggling to comprehend issues 
> around NFT’s, chains and DAO’s, and hoped reariting the conversation would 
> clear up my mind. 
> It worked, I learned a lot. 
> 
> You can dowload a .pdf to check us out:
> https://aabrahams.wordpress.com/2022/03/11/reariting-myers-wark/ 
>  
> 
> 
> 
> On Mon, Feb 28, 2022 at 10:01 AM Annie Abrahams  > wrote:
> Hi, I am sure some of you have seen this conversation by Rhea Myers & 
> McKenzie Wark in Outland https://outland.art/rhea-myers-mckenzie-wark/ 
>  
> I read it and am intrigued, but some things are very dense or formulated in a 
> way that doesn't refer to what I know.
> 
> Might there be some of you who want to think through this conversation  via a 
> reariting of it?
> I would like to propose Friday March  at 16h Paris time. Please write me an 
> email if you want to think with others on this subject.
> 
> Annie
> 
> 
> 
> Reariting is the act of simultaneous reading and writing together on the 
> Internet. Reariting is used as a technique to think through a text together. 
> While we read the conversation, we will all use the same framapad to write 
> our reactions and asides related to this text. Thus we explain and explore 
> our understandings and misunderstandings of the text .
> 
> 
> 
> Thus the Reading Club manifests itself as a 
> facilitator for a diffractive, distributed intelligence on-the-fly, 
> creating text and relational patterns that do not depend on canons. It 
> generates creative and unexpected “outcomes”. These are, in my opinion, 
> not so much the texts produced, as the “diffractive moments” experienced
>  by the reariters. Diffractive Reading in the Reading Club, Annie Abrahams, 
> 2019.
> https://elmcip.net/critical-writing/diffractive-reading-reading-club 
>  
> 
> In the article with Emmanuel Guez: The machinic author, published in JCWS 
> (Journal of Creative Writing Studies) we formulate it a bit differently:
> She
>  assists in an event that allows for diffractive moments (5) – i.e “a 
> mapping of interference” which take her out of self reflexivity, out of 
> systemised subjectivity, out of a world that only reproduces what it 
> knows already into an intra-active diffractive worlding (6). The machnic
>  author revealed herself as queer.
> Abrahams, Annie and Guez, 
> Emmanuel (2019) ““The machinic author” Artist’s Statement: The Reading 
> Club”, Journal of Creative Writing Studies: Vol. 4: Iss.1, Article 8. 
> ISSN: 2474-2937. Available at: https://scholarworks.rit.edu/jcws/vol4/iss1/8 
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Re: [NetBehaviour] selfish truths dead music

[Alan Sondheim via NetBehaviour]

Hi Edward,

I think "we" have a primitive instinct, perhaps, to think things through,
almost a form of prayer.
As if speaking the unspeakable is curative, tends toward cure. I'm also
debilitated, in a way,
by not being able to let go, as if I'm haunted by holocausts, as if the
worst in people, on a
massive scale, somehow defines us. It's so easy in a sense for violence, on
a large scale,
to occur. Maybe the good and creative things in my life are tied to these
thoughts, I don't
know. I write to try to write out of them, certainly, perhaps a form of
saying Kaddish. I
certainly don't want to bring anyone down; I think the music, for example,
that I've been
putting up, at least for me, is a form of aspiration towards healing, just
as a funeral is also
a gateway perhaps.

It does come down to the roots of prayer, to the idea of language itself as
performative.
And there can be a beauty in that, as there is in the Kaddish (written in
Aramaic, not
Hebrew), that is somewhat healing -

(Btw looked up Patel - oh my God! (another prayer!) :-) )

Thank you! Best, Alan -

On Sun, Mar 13, 2022 at 11:32 AM Edward Picot 
wrote:

> Alan,
>
> It's good to see you responding to this stuff in the Ukraine, and I
> think you're probably echoing a lot of the things the rest of us are
> thinking and feeling. There's a sense of helplessness when we look, and
> a sense of guilt when we turn our eyes away and focus on anything else
> for a while. There's a feeling that we ought to be constantly thinking
> about it and talking about it, but also a sense, as you say, that to do
> so is merely self-serving, because it doesn't actually achieve anything
> except striking an appropriate posture.
>
> I think we do have to try to find adequate responses if we can, but we
> also have to carry on with/reaffirm the good and creative things in our
> lives.
>
> Today my son mentioned to me that he thought things must be improving in
> the Ukraine, because it didn't seem to be in the news so much. And
> that's part of our problem in the West: if it's not a headline, we think
> the problem must have gone away. That's part of the reason why we find
> it so difficult to deal with environmental issues.
>
> What I find particularly distressing is that our Western politicians are
> following the same populist behaviour-patterns as Putin - claiming to be
> doing one thing, while actually doing something completely different.
> I'm thinking of Priti Patel and her behaviour towards Ukrainian refugees.
>
> Edward
>
> On 3/13/22 3:54 AM, Alan Sondheim via NetBehaviour wrote:
> >
> >
> > selfish truths dead music
> >
> > video (audio) https://youtu.be/oLGWkWFC_bA
> > http://www.alansondheim.org/loss.jpg
> > st
> > wartime - anything i say is self-serving
> > it's inconceivable we cannot annihilate the ego
> > all the world says me me me and says useless
> > the world is iron yes. iron survives
> > terror of rust dirty bombs sinter
> > luxury of surviving despair intact bones
> > luxury of speaking yes it's luxury
> > annihilation to the limit at a distance breathe
> > people trying to get out i sit here look look look
> > people on television playing football no sound now
> > i turn down sound look i think to myself look
> > 2 friends to each other - shut up no one wants
> > to listen to you anyway - speaking is no longer
> > performative - i embarrass myself - everything here
> > - a luxury - this instrument - this equipment -
> > what survives - within a decade i'll most likely
> > be dead - statistics - war on screens - sounds -
> > hating the sound of voices - continuations -
> > continuums - incendiary bombs contribute to global
> > warming - self hatreds blossom like bombs -
> > another luxury - answer phones - field calls -
> > the them - us - we - me - latest news - give -
> > donations don't stop bombs - suffer the guilty -
> > first ones to call innocent - broken birds -
> > plants - you understand me i don't understand me
> > at all - the me closes in on itself - a particle
> > - no bombardment - sky is our closest enemy -
> > save yourself - eliminate the i - this will not
> > end well they say - this will not end well - this
> > will not end at all -
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Re: [NetBehaviour] selfish truths dead music

[Edward Picot]

Alan,

It's good to see you responding to this stuff in the Ukraine, and I 
think you're probably echoing a lot of the things the rest of us are 
thinking and feeling. There's a sense of helplessness when we look, and 
a sense of guilt when we turn our eyes away and focus on anything else 
for a while. There's a feeling that we ought to be constantly thinking 
about it and talking about it, but also a sense, as you say, that to do 
so is merely self-serving, because it doesn't actually achieve anything 
except striking an appropriate posture.


I think we do have to try to find adequate responses if we can, but we 
also have to carry on with/reaffirm the good and creative things in our 
lives.


Today my son mentioned to me that he thought things must be improving in 
the Ukraine, because it didn't seem to be in the news so much. And 
that's part of our problem in the West: if it's not a headline, we think 
the problem must have gone away. That's part of the reason why we find 
it so difficult to deal with environmental issues.


What I find particularly distressing is that our Western politicians are 
following the same populist behaviour-patterns as Putin - claiming to be 
doing one thing, while actually doing something completely different. 
I'm thinking of Priti Patel and her behaviour towards Ukrainian refugees.


Edward

On 3/13/22 3:54 AM, Alan Sondheim via NetBehaviour wrote:



selfish truths dead music

video (audio) https://youtu.be/oLGWkWFC_bA
http://www.alansondheim.org/loss.jpg
st
wartime - anything i say is self-serving
it's inconceivable we cannot annihilate the ego
all the world says me me me and says useless
the world is iron yes. iron survives
terror of rust dirty bombs sinter
luxury of surviving despair intact bones
luxury of speaking yes it's luxury
annihilation to the limit at a distance breathe
people trying to get out i sit here look look look
people on television playing football no sound now
i turn down sound look i think to myself look
2 friends to each other - shut up no one wants
to listen to you anyway - speaking is no longer
performative - i embarrass myself - everything here
- a luxury - this instrument - this equipment -
what survives - within a decade i'll most likely
be dead - statistics - war on screens - sounds -
hating the sound of voices - continuations -
continuums - incendiary bombs contribute to global
warming - self hatreds blossom like bombs -
another luxury - answer phones - field calls -
the them - us - we - me - latest news - give -
donations don't stop bombs - suffer the guilty -
first ones to call innocent - broken birds -
plants - you understand me i don't understand me
at all - the me closes in on itself - a particle
- no bombardment - sky is our closest enemy -
save yourself - eliminate the i - this will not
end well they say - this will not end well - this
will not end at all -

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Re: [NetBehaviour] reariting of the conversation by Rhea Myers & McKenzie Wark

[Annie Abrahams via NetBehaviour]

Here is a post on our reariting session with Brian Droitcour, Ruth Catlow,
Gretta Louw, Daniel Temkin and Annie Abrahams.
Because I, Annie, felt Myers & Wark‘s conversation contained a lot of
interesting points that I didn’t really understand, I organized a
reariting* of its publication on OUTLAND. I was/am struggling to comprehend
issues around NFT’s, chains and DAO’s, and hoped reariting the conversation
would clear up my mind.
It worked, I *learned *a lot.

You can dowload a .pdf to check us out:
https://aabrahams.wordpress.com/2022/03/11/reariting-myers-wark/



On Mon, Feb 28, 2022 at 10:01 AM Annie Abrahams  wrote:

> Hi, I am sure some of you have seen this conversation by Rhea Myers &
> McKenzie Wark in Outland https://outland.art/rhea-myers-mckenzie-wark/
> I read it and am intrigued, but some things are very dense or formulated
> in a way that doesn't refer to what I know.
>
> Might there be some of you who want to think through this conversation
> via a reariting of it?
> *I would like to propose Friday March  at 16h Paris time. Please write me
> an email if you want to think with others on this subject.*
>
> Annie
> 
> Reariting is the act of simultaneous reading and writing together on the
> Internet. Reariting is used as a technique to think through a text
> together. While we read the conversation, we will all use the same
> framapad to write our reactions and asides related to this text. Thus we
> explain and explore our understandings and misunderstandings of the text .
> 
>
> *Thus the Reading Club manifests itself as a facilitator for a
> diffractive, distributed intelligence on-the-fly, creating text and
> relational patterns that do not depend on canons. It generates creative and
> unexpected “outcomes”. These are, in my opinion, not so much the texts
> produced, as the “diffractive moments” experienced by the reariters.*
> Diffractive Reading in the Reading Club, Annie Abrahams, 2019.
> https://elmcip.net/critical-writing/diffractive-reading-reading-club
>
> In the article with Emmanuel Guez: *The machinic author*, published in
> JCWS (Journal of Creative Writing Studies) we formulate it a bit
> differently:
> *She assists in an event that allows for diffractive moments (5) – i.e “a
> mapping of interference” which take her out of self reflexivity, out of
> systemised subjectivity, out of a world that only reproduces what it knows
> already into an intra-active diffractive worlding (6). The machnic author
> revealed herself as queer.*
> Abrahams, Annie and Guez, Emmanuel (2019) ““The machinic author” Artist’s
> Statement: The Reading Club”, Journal of Creative Writing Studies: Vol. 4:
> Iss.1, Article 8. ISSN: 2474-2937. Available at:
> https://scholarworks.rit.edu/jcws/vol4/iss1/8
>
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