Re: [NetBehaviour] Italian Pirate Bay Trial in the Making.
don't forget that Italy never achieved a real democracy status by western standards. have a look at Amnesty International reports, and the freedom of press reports, and you'll find out things you wouldn't expect out of a EU member country! On Tue, May 5, 2009 at 2:51 PM, marc garrett marc.garr...@furtherfield.orgwrote: Hi xDxD, I look forward to reading an English version of Luca Neri's publication in the future, I'm sure this will happen. If anyone wishes to buy it (Italian only) - here is a link http://www.bandashop.it/product.php?id=71pos=0 which is just as if person X, today, would go to the police and say oh, well, i THINK that xDxD (or marc garrett, or anyone else) is a criminal. And the police come after me. With no proof or documentation apart from some screenshots in which a series of *rows show numbers separated by dots next to a date and a string containing the name of a movie, dot AVI* . Whether people are good, bad, innocent or criminals is not necessarily an important criteria in relation to judging if someone is a threat - it is more about eliminating 'the potential of authentic change' which dares to exist on its own terms, beyond and further than corporate or government orientated realms of control. The only proof needed is suspicion. A psychologically enduced Panopticon state of play, festering on ignorance and paranoia which in turn incorporates a savage reliance of modern day witch trials - scaring those who may know what is going on in the world to take stock and witness others going through the process of ritualized, public humiliation from bullying authorities. Many classified as criminals, whilst the real criminals enjoy their extreme forms of liberation via their privelaged positions. marc Helo there! yes it is incredible. even more as the whole process began with the trialfor k being started with a unilateral accusation, sponsored by consulents of the editors' and publishers' organizations present in italy (such as SIAE and FMI). which is just as if person X, today, would go to the police and say oh, well, i THINK that xDxD (or marc garrett, or anyone else) is a criminal. And the police come after me. With no proof or documentation apart from some screenshots in which a series of *rows show numbers separated by dots next to a date and a string containing the name of a movie, dot AVI* . but then again, italy's not the easiest of places to be during these last few years. reminds a lot of the 1940's, in a new mediatical form. we co-organized with RomaEuropaFAKEFactory and Art is Open Source a meeting on/with the Pirate Bay on the same day as the presentation in the senate, together with Luca Neri, who recently published a book on the whole issue: http://www.artsblog.it/post/3146/speciale-reff-part-2-reffternoon-al-flexi-con-luca-neri-21-marzo-ore-1800 and then there has been a big event which received lots of media coverage: http://www.no-copyright.net/ (sorry, the reports are in italian, but they might prove useful anyway) nothing has changed. :( take care! xDxD On Tue, May 5, 2009 at 12:35 PM, marc garrett marc.garr...@furtherfield.org wrote: Italian Pirate Bay Trial in the Making. Following the Swedish verdict, Italy is now considering starting its own trial against the people involved with The Pirate Bay. This would be the first criminal prosecution against the Pirate Bay 'founders' outside their home country. During August last year, The Pirate Bay was censored in Italy when ISPs were ordered to block access to the worlds largest BitTorrent tracker. The Pirate Bay appealed the block and eventually won the court case. In October the Court of Bergamo ruled that no foreign website can be censored for alleged copyright infringement. However, with the Swedish verdict against The Pirate Bay in hand, the Italian justice authority is now looking into the possibility of starting their very own trial against the Pirate Bay 'operators'. Interesting to say the least, because The Pirate Bay and those involved with the site have no direct link to Italy. more... http://torrentfreak.com/italian-pirate-bay-trial-in-the-making-090502/ ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour
Re: [NetBehaviour] Italian Pirate Bay Trial in the Making.
On Wed, May 6, 2009 at 5:37 PM, UQ0502 uq0...@gmail.com wrote: don't forget that Italy never achieved a real democracy status by western standards. have a look at Amnesty International reports, and the freedom of press reports, and you'll find out things you wouldn't expect out of a EU member country! italy's a strange place. there seems to be a definite distance from what is written on the law and what is common practice. in italy we have one of the law systems with the highest number of laws. even containing laws contradicting or in direct opposition of other laws. you go and buy a pack of cigarettes: there's probabily 232 laws ruling the thing, some saying you can buy the box, some sayig you can't, some saying you can only if you filled in a special module 12 years ago. this situation is due to a continuous, historical, powerful influence of organized crime on the institutions. And we're not only speaking about mafia, camorra and the like. But also the economic mafia of the financial/industrial/commercial organizations: buildings, highways, televisions, everything's got a mafia of their own. italy is almost a no-hope situation. it really is a nation sitting on the edge of a continuous, looped end-of-history situation. paradoxically, this is a situation that is both desperate and engaging, as the generalized irony, and frustration, whining, and anger, and will-for-confrontation, all mixed together, provide quite a few instants of pure illumination. some of which emerged in many of the most significant actvist, political and artistic movements of the last decades. the real problem is on how italy will be able to confront the innovation issues of the near future. There just seems to be a complete lack of formal, dedicated approaches that are needed to handle and valorize the perspectives brought on by technology, networks and such.. so much that people knowing how to do stuff tend to running away from italy like hell :) ciao! xDxD ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour
Re: [NetBehaviour] Italian Pirate Bay Trial in the Making.
Sweden, what have you done?!? On Tue, May 5, 2009 at 11:19 AM, xDxD.vs.xDxD xdxd.vs.x...@gmail.com wrote: Helo there! yes it is incredible. even more as the whole process began with the trial being started with a unilateral accusation, sponsored by consulents of the editors' and publishers' organizations present in italy (such as SIAE and FMI). which is just as if person X, today, would go to the police and say oh, well, i THINK that xDxD (or marc garrett, or anyone else) is a criminal. And the police come after me. With no proof or documentation apart from some screenshots in which a series of *rows show numbers separated by dots next to a date and a string containing the name of a movie, dot AVI* . but then again, italy's not the easiest of places to be during these last few years. reminds a lot of the 1940's, in a new mediatical form. we co-organized with RomaEuropaFAKEFactory and Art is Open Source a meeting on/with the Pirate Bay on the same day as the presentation in the senate, together with Luca Neri, who recently published a book on the whole issue: http://www.artsblog.it/post/3146/speciale-reff-part-2-reffternoon-al-flexi-con-luca-neri-21-marzo-ore-1800 and then there has been a big event which received lots of media coverage: http://www.no-copyright.net/ (sorry, the reports are in italian, but they might prove useful anyway) nothing has changed. :( take care! xDxD On Tue, May 5, 2009 at 12:35 PM, marc garrett marc.garr...@furtherfield.org wrote: Italian Pirate Bay Trial in the Making. Following the Swedish verdict, Italy is now considering starting its own trial against the people involved with The Pirate Bay. This would be the first criminal prosecution against the Pirate Bay 'founders' outside their home country. During August last year, The Pirate Bay was censored in Italy when ISPs were ordered to block access to the worlds largest BitTorrent tracker. The Pirate Bay appealed the block and eventually won the court case. In October the Court of Bergamo ruled that no foreign website can be censored for alleged copyright infringement. However, with the Swedish verdict against The Pirate Bay in hand, the Italian justice authority is now looking into the possibility of starting their very own trial against the Pirate Bay 'operators'. Interesting to say the least, because The Pirate Bay and those involved with the site have no direct link to Italy. more... http://torrentfreak.com/italian-pirate-bay-trial-in-the-making-090502/ ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour -- * Pall Thayer artist http://www.this.is/pallit * ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour
Re: [NetBehaviour] Italian Pirate Bay Trial in the Making.
Hi xDxD, I look forward to reading an English version of Luca Neri's publication in the future, I'm sure this will happen. If anyone wishes to buy it (Italian only) - here is a link http://www.bandashop.it/product.php?id=71pos=0 which is just as if person X, today, would go to the police and say oh, well, i THINK that xDxD (or marc garrett, or anyone else) is a criminal. And the police come after me. With no proof or documentation apart from some screenshots in which a series of *rows show numbers separated by dots next to a date and a string containing the name of a movie, dot AVI* . Whether people are good, bad, innocent or criminals is not necessarily an important criteria in relation to judging if someone is a threat - it is more about eliminating 'the potential of authentic change' which dares to exist on its own terms, beyond and further than corporate or government orientated realms of control. The only proof needed is suspicion. A psychologically enduced Panopticon state of play, festering on ignorance and paranoia which in turn incorporates a savage reliance of modern day witch trials - scaring those who may know what is going on in the world to take stock and witness others going through the process of ritualized, public humiliation from bullying authorities. Many classified as criminals, whilst the real criminals enjoy their extreme forms of liberation via their privelaged positions. marc Helo there! yes it is incredible. even more as the whole process began with the trialfor k being started with a unilateral accusation, sponsored by consulents of the editors' and publishers' organizations present in italy (such as SIAE and FMI). which is just as if person X, today, would go to the police and say oh, well, i THINK that xDxD (or marc garrett, or anyone else) is a criminal. And the police come after me. With no proof or documentation apart from some screenshots in which a series of *rows show numbers separated by dots next to a date and a string containing the name of a movie, dot AVI* . but then again, italy's not the easiest of places to be during these last few years. reminds a lot of the 1940's, in a new mediatical form. we co-organized with RomaEuropaFAKEFactory and Art is Open Source a meeting on/with the Pirate Bay on the same day as the presentation in the senate, together with Luca Neri, who recently published a book on the whole issue: http://www.artsblog.it/post/3146/speciale-reff-part-2-reffternoon-al-flexi-con-luca-neri-21-marzo-ore-1800 and then there has been a big event which received lots of media coverage: http://www.no-copyright.net/ (sorry, the reports are in italian, but they might prove useful anyway) nothing has changed. :( take care! xDxD On Tue, May 5, 2009 at 12:35 PM, marc garrett marc.garr...@furtherfield.org wrote: Italian Pirate Bay Trial in the Making. Following the Swedish verdict, Italy is now considering starting its own trial against the people involved with The Pirate Bay. This would be the first criminal prosecution against the Pirate Bay 'founders' outside their home country. During August last year, The Pirate Bay was censored in Italy when ISPs were ordered to block access to the worlds largest BitTorrent tracker. The Pirate Bay appealed the block and eventually won the court case. In October the Court of Bergamo ruled that no foreign website can be censored for alleged copyright infringement. However, with the Swedish verdict against The Pirate Bay in hand, the Italian justice authority is now looking into the possibility of starting their very own trial against the Pirate Bay 'operators'. Interesting to say the least, because The Pirate Bay and those involved with the site have no direct link to Italy. more... http://torrentfreak.com/italian-pirate-bay-trial-in-the-making-090502/ ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour
