Re: [NetBehaviour] NetArtizens: Do you dream of computers?
Dear Joumana, Thanks a lot for your great questions! In regards to how I contextualize my work to the audience: It actually got much easier ;-). When i started out bringing the Web into physical space in my earlier performances more than 10 years ago, I felt a bit resistance from the audience to think about the protocols of the Web as something to experience physically. Nowadays it's really all we do every day ;-), well not totally but, talking or showing what happens online and making the hidden processes more transparent has become a wide area of interest. And your second question: My work is seen both online and physically - it exists in both places and they intersect each other! So, when I do a live performance i usually have real-time data or code from the Web drive or choreograph the piece. When I work on an online performance, I use real-time data that brings in a physical reference, so for instance I did an online piece called Light and Dark Networks (http://lightdarknetworks.ursenal.net) - two online data performances, which reflected on the morphological parallels in natural networks (such as mushroom mycelia and spiderwebs) and artificially built networks... The piece was driven by real-time weather data form NYC and changed how the piece behaved. So the physical place was constantly brought anew into the online performance changing how it manifested itself. I just started looking up your work! Really interesting! --Ursula Dear Ursula I have been looking at your work and the concept behind it, it looks fascinating as you are breaking the boundaries between both bodies the physical and the web, through the protocole we use everyday. My question is how do you contextualise it to your audiences, and is your work seen online as well as physical? ;-) On 13 Mar 2015, at 00:01, Ursula Endlicher wrote: hi dear helen, i am very interested in using computer-derived logic as choreography in my works. a few years ago i did a series of live performances where dancers used movements based on the logic of HTML tags, and currently i am working on a new iteration of a live performance series that has characters featured such as the Finder or the MouseCursor or HelperApplications, each executing their role based somewhat on what its function is in the OS. you can look here: Website Impersonations (HTML movements) http://www.ursenal.net/wi_ttmv/ Far-Flung follows function (OSX characters) http://farflungfollowsfunction.ursenal.net maybe this answers your question or probably raises more ;-) best, ursula during the CyPosium, joseph delappe talked about his experience when he was performing gandhi in second life intensively every day for i forget how long, he said he would walk down the street think that he could click on people have information about them display over their heads as in SL. i can't think off the top of my head of an example of dance or performance that choreographs UI gestures but i bet there are some out there. h : ) On 12/03/15 7:36 11PM, Rob Myers wrote: On 12/03/15 05:38 AM, helen varley jamieson wrote: :D or little kids trying to swipe the screens on the back of digital cameras when viewing photos - i've even seen kids trying to swipe the pages of a book, but maybe that's more just lazy page-turning than really believing it will swipe ... The body language of mobile and tablet use is fascinating, the postures and hand gestures. Faces lost in contemplation illuminated by not God or the truth but by commercially mediated sociality. Hands stroking, pulling, making shadowplay ducks. Everyone (if you like ;-) ) try making gesture UI movements with your hands in the air in front of you and see how they look. Is there any contemporary dance using this? On 12/03/15 10:56 26AM, Antye Greie-Ripatti wrote: me finger-zooming into books lately (eye roll) On Mar 12, 2015, at 11:50 AM, dave miller dave.miller...@gmail.com mailto:dave.miller...@gmail.com wrote: Often when I do something really bad, like lock myself out of the house, my immediate thought is undo and then I realise that doesn't apply to real life. Apparently obsessive Myst players used to try to click on things irl. - Rob. ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour -- helen varley jamieson he...@creative-catalyst.com mailto:he...@creative-catalyst.com http://www.creative-catalyst.com http://www.talesfromthetowpath.net http://www.upstage.org.nz ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org
Re: [NetBehaviour] NetArtizens: Do you dream of computers?
Dear Ursula I have been looking at your work and the concept behind it, it looks fascinating as you are breaking the boundaries between both bodies the physical and the web, through the protocole we use everyday. My question is how do you contextualise it to your audiences, and is your work seen online as well as physical? ;-) On 13 Mar 2015, at 00:01, Ursula Endlicher wrote: hi dear helen, i am very interested in using computer-derived logic as choreography in my works. a few years ago i did a series of live performances where dancers used movements based on the logic of HTML tags, and currently i am working on a new iteration of a live performance series that has characters featured such as the Finder or the MouseCursor or HelperApplications, each executing their role based somewhat on what its function is in the OS. you can look here: Website Impersonations (HTML movements) http://www.ursenal.net/wi_ttmv/ Far-Flung follows function (OSX characters) http://farflungfollowsfunction.ursenal.net maybe this answers your question or probably raises more ;-) best, ursula during the CyPosium, joseph delappe talked about his experience when he was performing gandhi in second life intensively every day for i forget how long, he said he would walk down the street think that he could click on people have information about them display over their heads as in SL. i can't think off the top of my head of an example of dance or performance that choreographs UI gestures but i bet there are some out there. h : ) On 12/03/15 7:36 11PM, Rob Myers wrote: On 12/03/15 05:38 AM, helen varley jamieson wrote: :D or little kids trying to swipe the screens on the back of digital cameras when viewing photos - i've even seen kids trying to swipe the pages of a book, but maybe that's more just lazy page-turning than really believing it will swipe ... The body language of mobile and tablet use is fascinating, the postures and hand gestures. Faces lost in contemplation illuminated by not God or the truth but by commercially mediated sociality. Hands stroking, pulling, making shadowplay ducks. Everyone (if you like ;-) ) try making gesture UI movements with your hands in the air in front of you and see how they look. Is there any contemporary dance using this? On 12/03/15 10:56 26AM, Antye Greie-Ripatti wrote: me finger-zooming into books lately (eye roll) On Mar 12, 2015, at 11:50 AM, dave miller dave.miller...@gmail.com mailto:dave.miller...@gmail.com wrote: Often when I do something really bad, like lock myself out of the house, my immediate thought is undo and then I realise that doesn't apply to real life. Apparently obsessive Myst players used to try to click on things irl. - Rob. ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour -- helen varley jamieson he...@creative-catalyst.com mailto:he...@creative-catalyst.com http://www.creative-catalyst.com http://www.talesfromthetowpath.net http://www.upstage.org.nz ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour
Re: [NetBehaviour] NetArtizens: Do you dream of computers?
On 16/03/15 09:01 AM, Ursula Endlicher wrote: i am really interested working with the idea of 'liveness' in my performances, using an unpredictable choreography for the show that comes from an online source such as real-time datasets, live code or HTML that is pulled in from a website. my performances are data-enactments. yet another reoccurring theme in my works is the idea of having an anthropomorphized part of technology perform it's own 'logic', which leads to performances of personified devices and websites, and even the Old Internet her/himself. Network- or data-driven- liveness is an interesting phenomenon. When we are all so mechanised within the networked economy and within social media, information flows and code can appear to have the traditionally human-associated spontaneity and unpredictability that we lack. Historically in the arts think of the affectless astronauts in 2001, killed by the one thing on the ship that cares about the mission, its mainframe computer. Or going back further the ways that human and automaton speech patterns swap over during the course of the play in Rossum's Universal Robots. Technology as rider (in the Voudoun sense, and hello William Gibson still...) or summoned spirit (add magick to taste) makes explicit and tractable the phenomena of our lives that are usually invisibly determined by these systems. I like this strategy. - Rob. signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour
Re: [NetBehaviour] NetArtizens: Do you dream of computers?
hi ursula, thanks for the explanation :) it sounds like quite a complex system! i think we might have a recording of is this on as we tried to record everything at the festivals; i'll need to have a hunt for it send you a link offlist if i can find it. i think birgit is on netbehaviour also, so maybe she can comment on it as well. h : ) On 16/03/15 5:01 54PM, Ursula Endlicher wrote: hi helen, the choreography for 'far-flung follows function' was actually controlled by real-time weather data from 30 different (far-flung) cities worldwide, which took over the complete theater space: lighting, videos, and sounds were changing from one moment to the next. for instance rain in Brisbane dimmed the theater while a sunny day in London lit up the space, or wind from the north 'blew' the sound track into the south side of the space. the performers had an 'open' score to follow, based on each of their functionality-roles, but which changed based on the weather. the audience, being in the middle of it all, as they could walk freely around the set, was exposed to these large-scale media-sculptural and performative shifts as well, and more than often fled from sudden action and spotlights. the performance took place inside a networked computer (the outline of a motherboard defined the 'stage'), but the real story, that changed everyone's task, came from the outside... i am currently working on a next iteration of far-flung (for a show in Vienna in November) where the audience will be able to actively change the weather in the space - via sensor-based interfaces - basically they will make their own weather decisions for the show. i am really interested working with the idea of 'liveness' in my performances, using an unpredictable choreography for the show that comes from an online source such as real-time datasets, live code or HTML that is pulled in from a website. my performances are data-enactments. yet another reoccurring theme in my works is the idea of having an anthropomorphized part of technology perform it's own 'logic', which leads to performances of personified devices and websites, and even the Old Internet her/himself. a long reply :-). all that said, it also brings me back to the subject of this email - do you dream of computers - and i often do - and it often makes it into my work, which brings in a surreal component, where technology actually is behaving in a way we are not completely familiar with. thanks for pointing out the work by inge hoonte birgit bachelor, i did not know about them or their work. it sounds really interesting! do you maybe know if there is some visual material or video about it somewhere? i couldn't find any. all the best, ursula - www.ursenal.net hi ursula, thanks for fixing the video, it looks like a great production :) does the audience have input to the piece or is it a set choreography? it reminded me of a performance at the 11:11:11 UpStage festival, by inge hoonte birgit bachler, where they were exploring the relationship between computer user, had a webcam inside a computer with characters who woke up (or not) to do the actions such as fetching opening files. http://pzwiki.wdka.nl/mediadesign/User:Inge_Hoonte/Is_This_On%3f h : ) On 13/03/15 9:33 24PM, Ursula Endlicher wrote: hi helen, thanks for your reply! yeah i had a feeling that 'html_butoh' might go a touch beyond your UI discussion (html_butoh rather scrutinizes the overall structure of what builds a UI) but i am very happy that you did look at the piece before and like it! very cool. in terms of watching the demo video of 'far-flung follows function': http://farflungfollowsfunction.ursenal.net/video.html it should work now (assuming you've tried in chrome before and it didn't load, this finally made me fix the issue with QT ;-) let me know if you still have problems watching it. and as much as in 'far-flung follows' function i am playing with the idea of how the overall operating system and its UI behaves, there is a scene where two mouse cursors are struggling over the priority of the click - check out the scene below. it is though a desktop UI movement moment, not hand-held ;-) http://farflungfollowsfunction.ursenal.net/video-excerptMICE.html happy to talk more... thanks, rob and helen for bringing up that question! :-) --ursula hi ursula, thanks for sharing your work :) i have looked before at html_butoh before, great project. it's a different approach than rob's question about contemporary dance using UI gestures - but perhaps more interesting in its complexity. i see people using UI gestures as hand signals in conversations etc so i'm sure these moves will be or already are appearing in contemporary dance far-flung follows function looks really interesting too, altho the video wouldn't play for me. what plug-in does it need? h : ) On 13/03/15 1:01 48AM, Ursula Endlicher wrote: hi dear helen, i
Re: [NetBehaviour] NetArtizens: Do you dream of computers?
hi helen, the choreography for 'far-flung follows function' was actually controlled by real-time weather data from 30 different (far-flung) cities worldwide, which took over the complete theater space: lighting, videos, and sounds were changing from one moment to the next. for instance rain in Brisbane dimmed the theater while a sunny day in London lit up the space, or wind from the north 'blew' the sound track into the south side of the space. the performers had an 'open' score to follow, based on each of their functionality-roles, but which changed based on the weather. the audience, being in the middle of it all, as they could walk freely around the set, was exposed to these large-scale media-sculptural and performative shifts as well, and more than often fled from sudden action and spotlights. the performance took place inside a networked computer (the outline of a motherboard defined the 'stage'), but the real story, that changed everyone's task, came from the outside... i am currently working on a next iteration of far-flung (for a show in Vienna in November) where the audience will be able to actively change the weather in the space - via sensor-based interfaces - basically they will make their own weather decisions for the show. i am really interested working with the idea of 'liveness' in my performances, using an unpredictable choreography for the show that comes from an online source such as real-time datasets, live code or HTML that is pulled in from a website. my performances are data-enactments. yet another reoccurring theme in my works is the idea of having an anthropomorphized part of technology perform it's own 'logic', which leads to performances of personified devices and websites, and even the Old Internet her/himself. a long reply :-). all that said, it also brings me back to the subject of this email - do you dream of computers - and i often do - and it often makes it into my work, which brings in a surreal component, where technology actually is behaving in a way we are not completely familiar with. thanks for pointing out the work by inge hoonte birgit bachelor, i did not know about them or their work. it sounds really interesting! do you maybe know if there is some visual material or video about it somewhere? i couldn't find any. all the best, ursula - www.ursenal.net hi ursula, thanks for fixing the video, it looks like a great production :) does the audience have input to the piece or is it a set choreography? it reminded me of a performance at the 11:11:11 UpStage festival, by inge hoonte birgit bachler, where they were exploring the relationship between computer user, had a webcam inside a computer with characters who woke up (or not) to do the actions such as fetching opening files. http://pzwiki.wdka.nl/mediadesign/User:Inge_Hoonte/Is_This_On%3f h : ) On 13/03/15 9:33 24PM, Ursula Endlicher wrote: hi helen, thanks for your reply! yeah i had a feeling that 'html_butoh' might go a touch beyond your UI discussion (html_butoh rather scrutinizes the overall structure of what builds a UI) but i am very happy that you did look at the piece before and like it! very cool. in terms of watching the demo video of 'far-flung follows function': http://farflungfollowsfunction.ursenal.net/video.html it should work now (assuming you've tried in chrome before and it didn't load, this finally made me fix the issue with QT ;-) let me know if you still have problems watching it. and as much as in 'far-flung follows' function i am playing with the idea of how the overall operating system and its UI behaves, there is a scene where two mouse cursors are struggling over the priority of the click - check out the scene below. it is though a desktop UI movement moment, not hand-held ;-) http://farflungfollowsfunction.ursenal.net/video-excerptMICE.html happy to talk more... thanks, rob and helen for bringing up that question! :-) --ursula hi ursula, thanks for sharing your work :) i have looked before at html_butoh before, great project. it's a different approach than rob's question about contemporary dance using UI gestures - but perhaps more interesting in its complexity. i see people using UI gestures as hand signals in conversations etc so i'm sure these moves will be or already are appearing in contemporary dance far-flung follows function looks really interesting too, altho the video wouldn't play for me. what plug-in does it need? h : ) On 13/03/15 1:01 48AM, Ursula Endlicher wrote: hi dear helen, i am very interested in using computer-derived logic as choreography in my works. a few years ago i did a series of live performances where dancers used movements based on the logic of HTML tags, and currently i am working on a new iteration of a live performance series that has characters featured such as the Finder or the MouseCursor or HelperApplications, each executing their role based somewhat on what its function is in the OS. you can
Re: [NetBehaviour] NetArtizens: Do you dream of computers?
hi ursula, thanks for fixing the video, it looks like a great production :) does the audience have input to the piece or is it a set choreography? it reminded me of a performance at the 11:11:11 UpStage festival, by inge hoonte birgit bachler, where they were exploring the relationship between computer user, had a webcam inside a computer with characters who woke up (or not) to do the actions such as fetching opening files. http://pzwiki.wdka.nl/mediadesign/User:Inge_Hoonte/Is_This_On%3f h : ) On 13/03/15 9:33 24PM, Ursula Endlicher wrote: hi helen, thanks for your reply! yeah i had a feeling that 'html_butoh' might go a touch beyond your UI discussion (html_butoh rather scrutinizes the overall structure of what builds a UI) but i am very happy that you did look at the piece before and like it! very cool. in terms of watching the demo video of 'far-flung follows function': http://farflungfollowsfunction.ursenal.net/video.html it should work now (assuming you've tried in chrome before and it didn't load, this finally made me fix the issue with QT ;-) let me know if you still have problems watching it. and as much as in 'far-flung follows' function i am playing with the idea of how the overall operating system and its UI behaves, there is a scene where two mouse cursors are struggling over the priority of the click - check out the scene below. it is though a desktop UI movement moment, not hand-held ;-) http://farflungfollowsfunction.ursenal.net/video-excerptMICE.html happy to talk more... thanks, rob and helen for bringing up that question! :-) --ursula hi ursula, thanks for sharing your work :) i have looked before at html_butoh before, great project. it's a different approach than rob's question about contemporary dance using UI gestures - but perhaps more interesting in its complexity. i see people using UI gestures as hand signals in conversations etc so i'm sure these moves will be or already are appearing in contemporary dance far-flung follows function looks really interesting too, altho the video wouldn't play for me. what plug-in does it need? h : ) On 13/03/15 1:01 48AM, Ursula Endlicher wrote: hi dear helen, i am very interested in using computer-derived logic as choreography in my works. a few years ago i did a series of live performances where dancers used movements based on the logic of HTML tags, and currently i am working on a new iteration of a live performance series that has characters featured such as the Finder or the MouseCursor or HelperApplications, each executing their role based somewhat on what its function is in the OS. you can look here: Website Impersonations (HTML movements) http://www.ursenal.net/wi_ttmv/ Far-Flung follows function (OSX characters) http://farflungfollowsfunction.ursenal.net maybe this answers your question or probably raises more ;-) best, ursula during the CyPosium, joseph delappe talked about his experience when he was performing gandhi in second life intensively every day for i forget how long, he said he would walk down the street think that he could click on people have information about them display over their heads as in SL. i can't think off the top of my head of an example of dance or performance that choreographs UI gestures but i bet there are some out there. h : ) On 12/03/15 7:36 11PM, Rob Myers wrote: On 12/03/15 05:38 AM, helen varley jamieson wrote: :D or little kids trying to swipe the screens on the back of digital cameras when viewing photos - i've even seen kids trying to swipe the pages of a book, but maybe that's more just lazy page-turning than really believing it will swipe ... The body language of mobile and tablet use is fascinating, the postures and hand gestures. Faces lost in contemplation illuminated by not God or the truth but by commercially mediated sociality. Hands stroking, pulling, making shadowplay ducks. Everyone (if you like ;-) ) try making gesture UI movements with your hands in the air in front of you and see how they look. Is there any contemporary dance using this? On 12/03/15 10:56 26AM, Antye Greie-Ripatti wrote: me finger-zooming into books lately (eye roll) On Mar 12, 2015, at 11:50 AM, dave miller dave.miller...@gmail.com mailto:dave.miller...@gmail.com wrote: Often when I do something really bad, like lock myself out of the house, my immediate thought is undo and then I realise that doesn't apply to real life. Apparently obsessive Myst players used to try to click on things irl. - Rob. ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour -- helen varley jamieson he...@creative-catalyst.com mailto:he...@creative-catalyst.com http://www.creative-catalyst.com http://www.talesfromthetowpath.net http://www.upstage.org.nz ___ NetBehaviour mailing list
Re: [NetBehaviour] NetArtizens: Do you dream of computers?
hi helen, thanks for your reply! yeah i had a feeling that 'html_butoh' might go a touch beyond your UI discussion (html_butoh rather scrutinizes the overall structure of what builds a UI) but i am very happy that you did look at the piece before and like it! very cool. in terms of watching the demo video of 'far-flung follows function': http://farflungfollowsfunction.ursenal.net/video.html it should work now (assuming you've tried in chrome before and it didn't load, this finally made me fix the issue with QT ;-) let me know if you still have problems watching it. and as much as in 'far-flung follows' function i am playing with the idea of how the overall operating system and its UI behaves, there is a scene where two mouse cursors are struggling over the priority of the click - check out the scene below. it is though a desktop UI movement moment, not hand-held ;-) http://farflungfollowsfunction.ursenal.net/video-excerptMICE.html happy to talk more... thanks, rob and helen for bringing up that question! :-) --ursula hi ursula, thanks for sharing your work :) i have looked before at html_butoh before, great project. it's a different approach than rob's question about contemporary dance using UI gestures - but perhaps more interesting in its complexity. i see people using UI gestures as hand signals in conversations etc so i'm sure these moves will be or already are appearing in contemporary dance far-flung follows function looks really interesting too, altho the video wouldn't play for me. what plug-in does it need? h : ) On 13/03/15 1:01 48AM, Ursula Endlicher wrote: hi dear helen, i am very interested in using computer-derived logic as choreography in my works. a few years ago i did a series of live performances where dancers used movements based on the logic of HTML tags, and currently i am working on a new iteration of a live performance series that has characters featured such as the Finder or the MouseCursor or HelperApplications, each executing their role based somewhat on what its function is in the OS. you can look here: Website Impersonations (HTML movements) http://www.ursenal.net/wi_ttmv/ Far-Flung follows function (OSX characters) http://farflungfollowsfunction.ursenal.net maybe this answers your question or probably raises more ;-) best, ursula during the CyPosium, joseph delappe talked about his experience when he was performing gandhi in second life intensively every day for i forget how long, he said he would walk down the street think that he could click on people have information about them display over their heads as in SL. i can't think off the top of my head of an example of dance or performance that choreographs UI gestures but i bet there are some out there. h : ) On 12/03/15 7:36 11PM, Rob Myers wrote: On 12/03/15 05:38 AM, helen varley jamieson wrote: :D or little kids trying to swipe the screens on the back of digital cameras when viewing photos - i've even seen kids trying to swipe the pages of a book, but maybe that's more just lazy page-turning than really believing it will swipe ... The body language of mobile and tablet use is fascinating, the postures and hand gestures. Faces lost in contemplation illuminated by not God or the truth but by commercially mediated sociality. Hands stroking, pulling, making shadowplay ducks. Everyone (if you like ;-) ) try making gesture UI movements with your hands in the air in front of you and see how they look. Is there any contemporary dance using this? On 12/03/15 10:56 26AM, Antye Greie-Ripatti wrote: me finger-zooming into books lately (eye roll) On Mar 12, 2015, at 11:50 AM, dave miller dave.miller...@gmail.com mailto:dave.miller...@gmail.com wrote: Often when I do something really bad, like lock myself out of the house, my immediate thought is undo and then I realise that doesn't apply to real life. Apparently obsessive Myst players used to try to click on things irl. - Rob. ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour -- helen varley jamieson he...@creative-catalyst.com mailto:he...@creative-catalyst.com http://www.creative-catalyst.com http://www.talesfromthetowpath.net http://www.upstage.org.nz ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour -- helen varley jamieson he...@creative-catalyst.com mailto:he...@creative-catalyst.com http://www.creative-catalyst.com http://www.talesfromthetowpath.net http://www.upstage.org.nz ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour
Re: [NetBehaviour] NetArtizens: Do you dream of computers?
hi ursula, thanks for sharing your work :) i have looked before at html_butoh before, great project. it's a different approach than rob's question about contemporary dance using UI gestures - but perhaps more interesting in its complexity. i see people using UI gestures as hand signals in conversations etc so i'm sure these moves will be or already are appearing in contemporary dance far-flung follows function looks really interesting too, altho the video wouldn't play for me. what plug-in does it need? h : ) On 13/03/15 1:01 48AM, Ursula Endlicher wrote: hi dear helen, i am very interested in using computer-derived logic as choreography in my works. a few years ago i did a series of live performances where dancers used movements based on the logic of HTML tags, and currently i am working on a new iteration of a live performance series that has characters featured such as the Finder or the MouseCursor or HelperApplications, each executing their role based somewhat on what its function is in the OS. you can look here: Website Impersonations (HTML movements) http://www.ursenal.net/wi_ttmv/ Far-Flung follows function (OSX characters) http://farflungfollowsfunction.ursenal.net maybe this answers your question or probably raises more ;-) best, ursula during the CyPosium, joseph delappe talked about his experience when he was performing gandhi in second life intensively every day for i forget how long, he said he would walk down the street think that he could click on people have information about them display over their heads as in SL. i can't think off the top of my head of an example of dance or performance that choreographs UI gestures but i bet there are some out there. h : ) On 12/03/15 7:36 11PM, Rob Myers wrote: On 12/03/15 05:38 AM, helen varley jamieson wrote: :D or little kids trying to swipe the screens on the back of digital cameras when viewing photos - i've even seen kids trying to swipe the pages of a book, but maybe that's more just lazy page-turning than really believing it will swipe ... The body language of mobile and tablet use is fascinating, the postures and hand gestures. Faces lost in contemplation illuminated by not God or the truth but by commercially mediated sociality. Hands stroking, pulling, making shadowplay ducks. Everyone (if you like ;-) ) try making gesture UI movements with your hands in the air in front of you and see how they look. Is there any contemporary dance using this? On 12/03/15 10:56 26AM, Antye Greie-Ripatti wrote: me finger-zooming into books lately (eye roll) On Mar 12, 2015, at 11:50 AM, dave miller dave.miller...@gmail.com mailto:dave.miller...@gmail.com wrote: Often when I do something really bad, like lock myself out of the house, my immediate thought is undo and then I realise that doesn't apply to real life. Apparently obsessive Myst players used to try to click on things irl. - Rob. ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour -- helen varley jamieson he...@creative-catalyst.com mailto:he...@creative-catalyst.com http://www.creative-catalyst.com http://www.talesfromthetowpath.net http://www.upstage.org.nz ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour -- helen varley jamieson he...@creative-catalyst.com mailto:he...@creative-catalyst.com http://www.creative-catalyst.com http://www.talesfromthetowpath.net http://www.upstage.org.nz ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour
Re: [NetBehaviour] NetArtizens: Do you dream of computers?
i don't think i dream about computers at all; my dreams tend to be about people places, my anxiety dreams are nearly always associated with travel. one that i used to have for a long time was that i had to catch a train, but i couldn't fit all of my stuff into my suitcase/backpack. i would be frantically trying to cram everything into a space that was physically too small for it all, as the clock ticked mercilessly on, but i would keep trying until it was actually past the time that the train would leave (even if i also needed time to get to the station). one of those inevitable losing battle situations like the sorcerer's apprentice in fantasia, but without any brooms coming to help. happily i haven't had this dream for a while :) but it is interesting that i don't dream about computers, given that i generally spend most of my working day in front of one most of my communication with the outside world is through the computer. i always shut down completely switch off the power when i finish for the day, so maybe that achieves a mental switching-off as well. h : ) On 11/03/15 11:29 29PM, Mab MacMoragh wrote: edward i enjoyed reading about your computer dream and can totally relate to the anxiety aspect i have a recurring anxiety dream about walking to a distant place (usually it's to the small college town where i used to work) and never getting there despite hitchhiking and running and etc On Wed, Mar 11, 2015 at 3:33 PM, Edward edw...@edwardpicot.com mailto:edw...@edwardpicot.com wrote: I have a recurring anxiety dream about computers - specifically, about the clinical system I use every day when I'm working at the doctor's surgery where I earn my living. In the dream, I'm trying to do something simple like make an appointment for someone, but instead of the appointments screen or any of the familiar parts of the clinical system, I'm presented with lots of peculiar, highly-coloured and rather surreal graphics, like landscapes out of Super Mario brothers or some other digital game. These are meant to be either alternative layouts for the clinical system, or 'splash screens' you see when you first log on, before you get to the system proper. I keep trying to get past them to a screen which has actually got some useful functionality, but each screen leads to another one which is yet more bizarre and distracting - and I'm not just looking at these screens on a computer terminal, I'm kind of getting lost inside them, trying to play my way through them like a character in a digital game - while in the meantime, patients are queueing up at the surgery front desk, getting more and more impatient because I can't book them in, make them appointments, print prescriptions for them or do anything else to help them. It's a classic anxiety dream, of course. When I was at school I used to dream of getting on the wrong bus, getting off at the wrong stop, trying to walk it but taking all the wrong turnings, catching another bus which took me in the wrong direction, getting further and further away from where I was supposed to be, and more and more conscious of the fact that I was already late and missing lessons. Nowadays my dreams use computers and digital technology instead of bus-rides and twisty roads to flesh out my anxiety. Does anybody else dream about computers, anxiously or otherwise? - Edward ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour -- helen varley jamieson he...@creative-catalyst.com mailto:he...@creative-catalyst.com http://www.creative-catalyst.com http://www.talesfromthetowpath.net http://www.upstage.org.nz ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour
Re: [NetBehaviour] NetArtizens: Do you dream of computers?
Once after a long day of working too many hours on a series of digital images, I dreamed that I could undo my actions. It wasn't as fun or as satisfying as you might imagine. Maybe there is something to the art lecturer cliché about valuing and owning 'accidents' in the work after all. On 12/03/15 08:27, helen varley jamieson wrote: i don't think i dream about computers at all; my dreams tend to be about people places, my anxiety dreams are nearly always associated with travel. one that i used to have for a long time was that i had to catch a train, but i couldn't fit all of my stuff into my suitcase/backpack. i would be frantically trying to cram everything into a space that was physically too small for it all, as the clock ticked mercilessly on, but i would keep trying until it was actually past the time that the train would leave (even if i also needed time to get to the station). one of those inevitable losing battle situations like the sorcerer's apprentice in fantasia, but without any brooms coming to help. happily i haven't had this dream for a while :) but it is interesting that i don't dream about computers, given that i generally spend most of my working day in front of one most of my communication with the outside world is through the computer. i always shut down completely switch off the power when i finish for the day, so maybe that achieves a mental switching-off as well. h : ) On 11/03/15 11:29 29PM, Mab MacMoragh wrote: edward i enjoyed reading about your computer dream and can totally relate to the anxiety aspect i have a recurring anxiety dream about walking to a distant place (usually it's to the small college town where i used to work) and never getting there despite hitchhiking and running and etc On Wed, Mar 11, 2015 at 3:33 PM, Edward edw...@edwardpicot.com mailto:edw...@edwardpicot.com wrote: I have a recurring anxiety dream about computers - specifically, about the clinical system I use every day when I'm working at the doctor's surgery where I earn my living. In the dream, I'm trying to do something simple like make an appointment for someone, but instead of the appointments screen or any of the familiar parts of the clinical system, I'm presented with lots of peculiar, highly-coloured and rather surreal graphics, like landscapes out of Super Mario brothers or some other digital game. These are meant to be either alternative layouts for the clinical system, or 'splash screens' you see when you first log on, before you get to the system proper. I keep trying to get past them to a screen which has actually got some useful functionality, but each screen leads to another one which is yet more bizarre and distracting - and I'm not just looking at these screens on a computer terminal, I'm kind of getting lost inside them, trying to play my way through them like a character in a digital game - while in the meantime, patients are queueing up at the surgery front desk, getting more and more impatient because I can't book them in, make them appointments, print prescriptions for them or do anything else to help them. It's a classic anxiety dream, of course. When I was at school I used to dream of getting on the wrong bus, getting off at the wrong stop, trying to walk it but taking all the wrong turnings, catching another bus which took me in the wrong direction, getting further and further away from where I was supposed to be, and more and more conscious of the fact that I was already late and missing lessons. Nowadays my dreams use computers and digital technology instead of bus-rides and twisty roads to flesh out my anxiety. Does anybody else dream about computers, anxiously or otherwise? - Edward ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour -- helen varley jamieson he...@creative-catalyst.com mailto:he...@creative-catalyst.com http://www.creative-catalyst.com http://www.talesfromthetowpath.net http://www.upstage.org.nz ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour
[NetBehaviour] NetArtizens: Do you dream of computers?
I have a recurring anxiety dream about computers - specifically, about the clinical system I use every day when I'm working at the doctor's surgery where I earn my living. In the dream, I'm trying to do something simple like make an appointment for someone, but instead of the appointments screen or any of the familiar parts of the clinical system, I'm presented with lots of peculiar, highly-coloured and rather surreal graphics, like landscapes out of Super Mario brothers or some other digital game. These are meant to be either alternative layouts for the clinical system, or 'splash screens' you see when you first log on, before you get to the system proper. I keep trying to get past them to a screen which has actually got some useful functionality, but each screen leads to another one which is yet more bizarre and distracting - and I'm not just looking at these screens on a computer terminal, I'm kind of getting lost inside them, trying to play my way through them like a character in a digital game - while in the meantime, patients are queueing up at the surgery front desk, getting more and more impatient because I can't book them in, make them appointments, print prescriptions for them or do anything else to help them. It's a classic anxiety dream, of course. When I was at school I used to dream of getting on the wrong bus, getting off at the wrong stop, trying to walk it but taking all the wrong turnings, catching another bus which took me in the wrong direction, getting further and further away from where I was supposed to be, and more and more conscious of the fact that I was already late and missing lessons. Nowadays my dreams use computers and digital technology instead of bus-rides and twisty roads to flesh out my anxiety. Does anybody else dream about computers, anxiously or otherwise? - Edward -- ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour
Re: [NetBehaviour] NetArtizens: Do you dream of computers?
yeah, was thinking the same maybe they are part of us so we dont see them in the dream cyborgs On Mar 12, 2015, at 10:27 AM, helen varley jamieson he...@creative-catalyst.com wrote: but it is interesting that i don't dream about computers, given that i generally spend most of my working day in front of one most of my communication with the outside world is through the computer. i always shut down completely switch off the power when i finish for the day, so maybe that achieves a mental switching-off as well. ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour
Re: [NetBehaviour] NetArtizens: Do you dream of computers?
p.s. Helen your traveling dream is too often my waking reality: ( On 12/03/15 09:45, ruth catlow wrote: Once after a long day of working too many hours on a series of digital images, I dreamed that I could undo my actions. It wasn't as fun or as satisfying as you might imagine. Maybe there is something to the art lecturer cliché about valuing and owning 'accidents' in the work after all. On 12/03/15 08:27, helen varley jamieson wrote: i don't think i dream about computers at all; my dreams tend to be about people places, my anxiety dreams are nearly always associated with travel. one that i used to have for a long time was that i had to catch a train, but i couldn't fit all of my stuff into my suitcase/backpack. i would be frantically trying to cram everything into a space that was physically too small for it all, as the clock ticked mercilessly on, but i would keep trying until it was actually past the time that the train would leave (even if i also needed time to get to the station). one of those inevitable losing battle situations like the sorcerer's apprentice in fantasia, but without any brooms coming to help. happily i haven't had this dream for a while :) but it is interesting that i don't dream about computers, given that i generally spend most of my working day in front of one most of my communication with the outside world is through the computer. i always shut down completely switch off the power when i finish for the day, so maybe that achieves a mental switching-off as well. h : ) On 11/03/15 11:29 29PM, Mab MacMoragh wrote: edward i enjoyed reading about your computer dream and can totally relate to the anxiety aspect i have a recurring anxiety dream about walking to a distant place (usually it's to the small college town where i used to work) and never getting there despite hitchhiking and running and etc On Wed, Mar 11, 2015 at 3:33 PM, Edward edw...@edwardpicot.com mailto:edw...@edwardpicot.com wrote: I have a recurring anxiety dream about computers - specifically, about the clinical system I use every day when I'm working at the doctor's surgery where I earn my living. In the dream, I'm trying to do something simple like make an appointment for someone, but instead of the appointments screen or any of the familiar parts of the clinical system, I'm presented with lots of peculiar, highly-coloured and rather surreal graphics, like landscapes out of Super Mario brothers or some other digital game. These are meant to be either alternative layouts for the clinical system, or 'splash screens' you see when you first log on, before you get to the system proper. I keep trying to get past them to a screen which has actually got some useful functionality, but each screen leads to another one which is yet more bizarre and distracting - and I'm not just looking at these screens on a computer terminal, I'm kind of getting lost inside them, trying to play my way through them like a character in a digital game - while in the meantime, patients are queueing up at the surgery front desk, getting more and more impatient because I can't book them in, make them appointments, print prescriptions for them or do anything else to help them. It's a classic anxiety dream, of course. When I was at school I used to dream of getting on the wrong bus, getting off at the wrong stop, trying to walk it but taking all the wrong turnings, catching another bus which took me in the wrong direction, getting further and further away from where I was supposed to be, and more and more conscious of the fact that I was already late and missing lessons. Nowadays my dreams use computers and digital technology instead of bus-rides and twisty roads to flesh out my anxiety. Does anybody else dream about computers, anxiously or otherwise? - Edward ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour -- helen varley jamieson he...@creative-catalyst.com mailto:he...@creative-catalyst.com http://www.creative-catalyst.com http://www.talesfromthetowpath.net http://www.upstage.org.nz ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour
Re: [NetBehaviour] NetArtizens: Do you dream of computers?
Often when I do something really bad, like lock myself out of the house, my immediate thought is undo and then I realise that doesn't apply to real life. On 12 March 2015 at 09:45, ruth catlow ruth.cat...@furtherfield.org wrote: p.s. Helen your traveling dream is too often my waking reality: ( On 12/03/15 09:45, ruth catlow wrote: Once after a long day of working too many hours on a series of digital images, I dreamed that I could undo my actions. It wasn't as fun or as satisfying as you might imagine. Maybe there is something to the art lecturer cliché about valuing and owning 'accidents' in the work after all. On 12/03/15 08:27, helen varley jamieson wrote: i don't think i dream about computers at all; my dreams tend to be about people places, my anxiety dreams are nearly always associated with travel. one that i used to have for a long time was that i had to catch a train, but i couldn't fit all of my stuff into my suitcase/backpack. i would be frantically trying to cram everything into a space that was physically too small for it all, as the clock ticked mercilessly on, but i would keep trying until it was actually past the time that the train would leave (even if i also needed time to get to the station). one of those inevitable losing battle situations like the sorcerer's apprentice in fantasia, but without any brooms coming to help. happily i haven't had this dream for a while :) but it is interesting that i don't dream about computers, given that i generally spend most of my working day in front of one most of my communication with the outside world is through the computer. i always shut down completely switch off the power when i finish for the day, so maybe that achieves a mental switching-off as well. h : ) On 11/03/15 11:29 29PM, Mab MacMoragh wrote: edward i enjoyed reading about your computer dream and can totally relate to the anxiety aspect i have a recurring anxiety dream about walking to a distant place (usually it's to the small college town where i used to work) and never getting there despite hitchhiking and running and etc On Wed, Mar 11, 2015 at 3:33 PM, Edward edw...@edwardpicot.com wrote: I have a recurring anxiety dream about computers - specifically, about the clinical system I use every day when I'm working at the doctor's surgery where I earn my living. In the dream, I'm trying to do something simple like make an appointment for someone, but instead of the appointments screen or any of the familiar parts of the clinical system, I'm presented with lots of peculiar, highly-coloured and rather surreal graphics, like landscapes out of Super Mario brothers or some other digital game. These are meant to be either alternative layouts for the clinical system, or 'splash screens' you see when you first log on, before you get to the system proper. I keep trying to get past them to a screen which has actually got some useful functionality, but each screen leads to another one which is yet more bizarre and distracting - and I'm not just looking at these screens on a computer terminal, I'm kind of getting lost inside them, trying to play my way through them like a character in a digital game - while in the meantime, patients are queueing up at the surgery front desk, getting more and more impatient because I can't book them in, make them appointments, print prescriptions for them or do anything else to help them. It's a classic anxiety dream, of course. When I was at school I used to dream of getting on the wrong bus, getting off at the wrong stop, trying to walk it but taking all the wrong turnings, catching another bus which took me in the wrong direction, getting further and further away from where I was supposed to be, and more and more conscious of the fact that I was already late and missing lessons. Nowadays my dreams use computers and digital technology instead of bus-rides and twisty roads to flesh out my anxiety. Does anybody else dream about computers, anxiously or otherwise? - Edward ___ NetBehaviour mailing listNetBehaviour@netbehaviour.orghttp://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour -- helen varley jamieson he...@creative-catalyst.com http://www.creative-catalyst.com http://www.talesfromthetowpath.net http://www.upstage.org.nz ___ NetBehaviour mailing listNetBehaviour@netbehaviour.orghttp://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour ___ NetBehaviour mailing listNetBehaviour@netbehaviour.orghttp://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour ___ NetBehaviour mailing list
Re: [NetBehaviour] NetArtizens: Do you dream of computers?
I just recently dreamt that i was sitting on a train (or street car) and that i pushed the button above my seat to turn the light on which Immediately read my biometric data which paid for my seat. it also told me - somehow on a mini display - that i paid too little, just alike 6 % of my trip. i like dreaming about computers - and art works for that matter - it usually brings up strange new worlds ;-) --ursula :D or little kids trying to swipe the screens on the back of digital cameras when viewing photos - i've even seen kids trying to swipe the pages of a book, but maybe that's more just lazy page-turning than really believing it will swipe ... h : ) ps - ruth: the answer to the real-life dilemma is to get a bigger suitcase! ;) On 12/03/15 10:56 26AM, Antye Greie-Ripatti wrote: me finger-zooming into books lately (eye roll) On Mar 12, 2015, at 11:50 AM, dave miller dave.miller...@gmail.com mailto:dave.miller...@gmail.com wrote: Often when I do something really bad, like lock myself out of the house, my immediate thought is undo and then I realise that doesn't apply to real life. On 12 March 2015 at 09:45, ruth catlow ruth.cat...@furtherfield.org mailto:ruth.cat...@furtherfield.org wrote: p.s. Helen your traveling dream is too often my waking reality: ( On 12/03/15 09:45, ruth catlow wrote: Once after a long day of working too many hours on a series of digital images, I dreamed that I could undo my actions. It wasn't as fun or as satisfying as you might imagine. Maybe there is something to the art lecturer cliché about valuing and owning 'accidents' in the work after all. On 12/03/15 08:27, helen varley jamieson wrote: i don't think i dream about computers at all; my dreams tend to be about people places, my anxiety dreams are nearly always associated with travel. one that i used to have for a long time was that i had to catch a train, but i couldn't fit all of my stuff into my suitcase/backpack. i would be frantically trying to cram everything into a space that was physically too small for it all, as the clock ticked mercilessly on, but i would keep trying until it was actually past the time that the train would leave (even if i also needed time to get to the station). one of those inevitable losing battle situations like the sorcerer's apprentice in fantasia, but without any brooms coming to help. happily i haven't had this dream for a while :) but it is interesting that i don't dream about computers, given that i generally spend most of my working day in front of one most of my communication with the outside world is through the computer. i always shut down completely switch off the power when i finish for the day, so maybe that achieves a mental switching-off as well. h : ) On 11/03/15 11:29 29PM, Mab MacMoragh wrote: edward i enjoyed reading about your computer dream and can totally relate to the anxiety aspect i have a recurring anxiety dream about walking to a distant place (usually it's to the small college town where i used to work) and never getting there despite hitchhiking and running and etc On Wed, Mar 11, 2015 at 3:33 PM, Edward edw...@edwardpicot.com mailto:edw...@edwardpicot.com wrote: I have a recurring anxiety dream about computers - specifically, about the clinical system I use every day when I'm working at the doctor's surgery where I earn my living. In the dream, I'm trying to do something simple like make an appointment for someone, but instead of the appointments screen or any of the familiar parts of the clinical system, I'm presented with lots of peculiar, highly-coloured and rather surreal graphics, like landscapes out of Super Mario brothers or some other digital game. These are meant to be either alternative layouts for the clinical system, or 'splash screens' you see when you first log on, before you get to the system proper. I keep trying to get past them to a screen which has actually got some useful functionality, but each screen leads to another one which is yet more bizarre and distracting - and I'm not just looking at these screens on a computer terminal, I'm kind of getting lost inside them, trying to play my way through them like a character in a digital game - while in the meantime, patients are queueing up at the surgery front desk, getting more and more impatient because I can't book them in, make them appointments, print prescriptions for them or do anything else to help them. It's a classic anxiety dream, of course. When I was at
Re: [NetBehaviour] NetArtizens: Do you dream of computers?
Don't dream about computers. Do daydream, often, about the delicious boredom ( which so often gave rise to really *useful* thought) that used to be part of my life, especially as a teenager, long before *devices*... I love the technology in lots of ways. It's altered my life to the good, but sometimes m. From: i...@ursenal.net i...@ursenal.net To: he...@creative-catalyst.com; NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2015 4:06 PM Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] NetArtizens: Do you dream of computers? I just recently dreamt that i was sitting on a train (or street car) and that i pushed the button above my seat to turn the light on which Immediately read my biometric data which paid for my seat. it also told me - somehow on a mini display - that i paid too little, just alike 6 % of my trip. i like dreaming about computers - and art works for that matter - it usually brings up strange new worlds ;-) --ursula :D or little kids trying to swipe the screens on the back of digital cameras when viewing photos - i've even seen kids trying to swipe the pages of a book, but maybe that's more just lazy page-turning than really believing it will swipe ... h : ) ps - ruth: the answer to the real-life dilemma is to get a bigger suitcase! ;) On 12/03/15 10:56 26AM, Antye Greie-Ripatti wrote: me finger-zooming into books lately (eye roll) On Mar 12, 2015, at 11:50 AM, dave miller dave.miller...@gmail.com mailto:dave.miller...@gmail.com wrote: Often when I do something really bad, like lock myself out of the house, my immediate thought is undo and then I realise that doesn't apply to real life. On 12 March 2015 at 09:45, ruth catlow ruth.cat...@furtherfield.org mailto:ruth.cat...@furtherfield.org wrote: p.s. Helen your traveling dream is too often my waking reality: ( On 12/03/15 09:45, ruth catlow wrote: Once after a long day of working too many hours on a series of digital images, I dreamed that I could undo my actions. It wasn't as fun or as satisfying as you might imagine. Maybe there is something to the art lecturer cliché about valuing and owning 'accidents' in the work after all. On 12/03/15 08:27, helen varley jamieson wrote: i don't think i dream about computers at all; my dreams tend to be about people places, my anxiety dreams are nearly always associated with travel. one that i used to have for a long time was that i had to catch a train, but i couldn't fit all of my stuff into my suitcase/backpack. i would be frantically trying to cram everything into a space that was physically too small for it all, as the clock ticked mercilessly on, but i would keep trying until it was actually past the time that the train would leave (even if i also needed time to get to the station). one of those inevitable losing battle situations like the sorcerer's apprentice in fantasia, but without any brooms coming to help. happily i haven't had this dream for a while :) but it is interesting that i don't dream about computers, given that i generally spend most of my working day in front of one most of my communication with the outside world is through the computer. i always shut down completely switch off the power when i finish for the day, so maybe that achieves a mental switching-off as well. h : ) On 11/03/15 11:29 29PM, Mab MacMoragh wrote: edward i enjoyed reading about your computer dream and can totally relate to the anxiety aspect i have a recurring anxiety dream about walking to a distant place (usually it's to the small college town where i used to work) and never getting there despite hitchhiking and running and etc On Wed, Mar 11, 2015 at 3:33 PM, Edward edw...@edwardpicot.com mailto:edw...@edwardpicot.com wrote: I have a recurring anxiety dream about computers - specifically, about the clinical system I use every day when I'm working at the doctor's surgery where I earn my living. In the dream, I'm trying to do something simple like make an appointment for someone, but instead of the appointments screen or any of the familiar parts of the clinical system, I'm presented with lots of peculiar, highly-coloured and rather surreal graphics, like landscapes out of Super Mario brothers or some other digital game. These are meant to be either alternative layouts for the clinical system, or 'splash screens' you see when you first log on, before you get to the system proper. I keep trying to get past them to a screen which has actually got some useful functionality, but each screen leads to another one which is yet more bizarre and distracting - and I'm not just looking
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when I was studying Photoshop intently, first learning it, after many long nights of 'tips and tricks' tutorials, I had an experience unlike anything else. I was still awake, but had fallen into a trance-like state of intense focus, still using the program. When I snapped out of it and reflected back, I realized that during that time, my body had completely disappeared. I could feel the mouse cursor; it had become a complete prosthetic. I felt like a 'transparent eyeball' absorbing the nature of photoshop, acting with limbs that only appeared on-screen. it was during that time and for a few years afterwards, I started to have dreams of using computers, always using photoshop. usually frustrated about this or that feature not working properly (anxiety). I always guessed that the dreams were a byproduct of using the same program for 10-12 hours a day for extended stints of time. Bz On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 11:06 AM, i...@ursenal.net wrote: I just recently dreamt that i was sitting on a train (or street car) and that i pushed the button above my seat to turn the light on which Immediately read my biometric data which paid for my seat. it also told me - somehow on a mini display - that i paid too little, just alike 6 % of my trip. i like dreaming about computers - and art works for that matter - it usually brings up strange new worlds ;-) --ursula :D or little kids trying to swipe the screens on the back of digital cameras when viewing photos - i've even seen kids trying to swipe the pages of a book, but maybe that's more just lazy page-turning than really believing it will swipe ... h : ) ps - ruth: the answer to the real-life dilemma is to get a bigger suitcase! ;) On 12/03/15 10:56 26AM, Antye Greie-Ripatti wrote: me finger-zooming into books lately (eye roll) On Mar 12, 2015, at 11:50 AM, dave miller dave.miller...@gmail.com mailto:dave.miller...@gmail.com wrote: Often when I do something really bad, like lock myself out of the house, my immediate thought is undo and then I realise that doesn't apply to real life. On 12 March 2015 at 09:45, ruth catlow ruth.cat...@furtherfield.org mailto:ruth.cat...@furtherfield.org wrote: p.s. Helen your traveling dream is too often my waking reality: ( On 12/03/15 09:45, ruth catlow wrote: Once after a long day of working too many hours on a series of digital images, I dreamed that I could undo my actions. It wasn't as fun or as satisfying as you might imagine. Maybe there is something to the art lecturer cliché about valuing and owning 'accidents' in the work after all. On 12/03/15 08:27, helen varley jamieson wrote: i don't think i dream about computers at all; my dreams tend to be about people places, my anxiety dreams are nearly always associated with travel. one that i used to have for a long time was that i had to catch a train, but i couldn't fit all of my stuff into my suitcase/backpack. i would be frantically trying to cram everything into a space that was physically too small for it all, as the clock ticked mercilessly on, but i would keep trying until it was actually past the time that the train would leave (even if i also needed time to get to the station). one of those inevitable losing battle situations like the sorcerer's apprentice in fantasia, but without any brooms coming to help. happily i haven't had this dream for a while :) but it is interesting that i don't dream about computers, given that i generally spend most of my working day in front of one most of my communication with the outside world is through the computer. i always shut down completely switch off the power when i finish for the day, so maybe that achieves a mental switching-off as well. h : ) On 11/03/15 11:29 29PM, Mab MacMoragh wrote: edward i enjoyed reading about your computer dream and can totally relate to the anxiety aspect i have a recurring anxiety dream about walking to a distant place (usually it's to the small college town where i used to work) and never getting there despite hitchhiking and running and etc On Wed, Mar 11, 2015 at 3:33 PM, Edward edw...@edwardpicot.com mailto:edw...@edwardpicot.com wrote: I have a recurring anxiety dream about computers - specifically, about the clinical system I use every day when I'm working at the doctor's surgery where I earn my living. In the dream, I'm trying to do something simple like make an appointment for someone, but instead of the appointments screen or any of the familiar parts of the clinical system, I'm presented with lots of peculiar, highly-coloured and rather surreal graphics, like landscapes out of Super Mario brothers or some other digital game. These are
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-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 12/03/15 05:38 AM, helen varley jamieson wrote: :D or little kids trying to swipe the screens on the back of digital cameras when viewing photos - i've even seen kids trying to swipe the pages of a book, but maybe that's more just lazy page-turning than really believing it will swipe ... The body language of mobile and tablet use is fascinating, the postures and hand gestures. Faces lost in contemplation illuminated by not God or the truth but by commercially mediated sociality. Hands stroking, pulling, making shadowplay ducks. Everyone (if you like ;-) ) try making gesture UI movements with your hands in the air in front of you and see how they look. Is there any contemporary dance using this? On 12/03/15 10:56 26AM, Antye Greie-Ripatti wrote: me finger-zooming into books lately (eye roll) On Mar 12, 2015, at 11:50 AM, dave miller dave.miller...@gmail.com mailto:dave.miller...@gmail.com wrote: Often when I do something really bad, like lock myself out of the house, my immediate thought is undo and then I realise that doesn't apply to real life. Apparently obsessive Myst players used to try to click on things irl. - - Rob. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1 iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJVAdybAAoJECciMUAZd2dZFaUH/3kp/+obpHRQ98qWFYrkcxT+ 5yMYD4liFM7EB+Blnr9dETaoQ9Kb3SgcUsW/P7nwm2PyOSIrYz9qOjf4YOK7av9q Wi/XdgzXQQ9LRhadqhlOqUX1f4u8f3NONSldfaW03XUbelR7lE3r8i422gkNZuD0 f8g1YDbCaXe+Dk6HKFZyje6GkHG09axQLinWaKZsW1G1hEbXFga+m8p5QL5bvO8Y DpCD0vmymEdJvWvVJiUk6ITTK+s05/l72KbCWNdlwRgUOAvT/OkIU/CepayrgiMx +BxBUz1NkojGy5VG32EmWtkuQTGBOaii+TyZjNfo7cYPFSDvyl2W6sMg5zHEXTc= =w1lJ -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour
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-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 12/03/15 09:35 AM, BishopZ wrote: it was during that time and for a few years afterwards, I started to have dreams of using computers, always using photoshop. usually frustrated about this or that feature not working properly (anxiety). I always guessed that the dreams were a byproduct of using the same program for 10-12 hours a day for extended stints of time. I currently dream of infinite scrolling on websites/mobile apps. I'm now worried that this may be for similar reasons. - - Rob. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1 iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJVAdtIAAoJECciMUAZd2dZnkwH/1Km5/r73Igud18PMmm4UCy4 1zROMcC3896yuVC3RRI9lyH/lAZW1yu8JzgsI/Vq5Ibo2Qus30IahsY2OkUkIhJa ALmZivb6RRYtfaWix8Iwy+LQskykrnIn7uiJ6PRHWHjIQsnjaYsutyrvw/DfIoPn OWCcDVh36iCnv1kzieryRMSCCmoqknizD+pVP4Vph8aY63/GFyohZjyG8pp2+A/q Aq8SbzpXHvUwXwlwQQtlO3nwiF/7zKROpph19PyTy+gmwwQnY6MJBP497TZbwg3T dHsF3hHqYq7Xb1keLWb1DrFlmJqA+OM1XhjXcxySPQN1H7Ugn/WvQF5XbuPR8wU= =6zqd -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour
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hi dear helen, i am very interested in using computer-derived logic as choreography in my works. a few years ago i did a series of live performances where dancers used movements based on the logic of HTML tags, and currently i am working on a new iteration of a live performance series that has characters featured such as the Finder or the MouseCursor or HelperApplications, each executing their role based somewhat on what its function is in the OS. you can look here: Website Impersonations (HTML movements) http://www.ursenal.net/wi_ttmv/ Far-Flung follows function (OSX characters) http://farflungfollowsfunction.ursenal.net maybe this answers your question or probably raises more ;-) best, ursula during the CyPosium, joseph delappe talked about his experience when he was performing gandhi in second life intensively every day for i forget how long, he said he would walk down the street think that he could click on people have information about them display over their heads as in SL. i can't think off the top of my head of an example of dance or performance that choreographs UI gestures but i bet there are some out there. h : ) On 12/03/15 7:36 11PM, Rob Myers wrote: On 12/03/15 05:38 AM, helen varley jamieson wrote: :D or little kids trying to swipe the screens on the back of digital cameras when viewing photos - i've even seen kids trying to swipe the pages of a book, but maybe that's more just lazy page-turning than really believing it will swipe ... The body language of mobile and tablet use is fascinating, the postures and hand gestures. Faces lost in contemplation illuminated by not God or the truth but by commercially mediated sociality. Hands stroking, pulling, making shadowplay ducks. Everyone (if you like ;-) ) try making gesture UI movements with your hands in the air in front of you and see how they look. Is there any contemporary dance using this? On 12/03/15 10:56 26AM, Antye Greie-Ripatti wrote: me finger-zooming into books lately (eye roll) On Mar 12, 2015, at 11:50 AM, dave miller dave.miller...@gmail.com mailto:dave.miller...@gmail.com wrote: Often when I do something really bad, like lock myself out of the house, my immediate thought is undo and then I realise that doesn't apply to real life. Apparently obsessive Myst players used to try to click on things irl. - Rob. ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour -- helen varley jamieson he...@creative-catalyst.com mailto:he...@creative-catalyst.com http://www.creative-catalyst.com http://www.talesfromthetowpath.net http://www.upstage.org.nz ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour
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during the CyPosium, joseph delappe talked about his experience when he was performing gandhi in second life intensively every day for i forget how long, he said he would walk down the street think that he could click on people have information about them display over their heads as in SL. i can't think off the top of my head of an example of dance or performance that choreographs UI gestures but i bet there are some out there. h : ) On 12/03/15 7:36 11PM, Rob Myers wrote: On 12/03/15 05:38 AM, helen varley jamieson wrote: :D or little kids trying to swipe the screens on the back of digital cameras when viewing photos - i've even seen kids trying to swipe the pages of a book, but maybe that's more just lazy page-turning than really believing it will swipe ... The body language of mobile and tablet use is fascinating, the postures and hand gestures. Faces lost in contemplation illuminated by not God or the truth but by commercially mediated sociality. Hands stroking, pulling, making shadowplay ducks. Everyone (if you like ;-) ) try making gesture UI movements with your hands in the air in front of you and see how they look. Is there any contemporary dance using this? On 12/03/15 10:56 26AM, Antye Greie-Ripatti wrote: me finger-zooming into books lately (eye roll) On Mar 12, 2015, at 11:50 AM, dave miller dave.miller...@gmail.com mailto:dave.miller...@gmail.com wrote: Often when I do something really bad, like lock myself out of the house, my immediate thought is undo and then I realise that doesn't apply to real life. Apparently obsessive Myst players used to try to click on things irl. - Rob. ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour -- helen varley jamieson he...@creative-catalyst.com mailto:he...@creative-catalyst.com http://www.creative-catalyst.com http://www.talesfromthetowpath.net http://www.upstage.org.nz ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour
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me finger-zooming into books lately (eye roll) On Mar 12, 2015, at 11:50 AM, dave miller dave.miller...@gmail.com wrote: Often when I do something really bad, like lock myself out of the house, my immediate thought is undo and then I realise that doesn't apply to real life. On 12 March 2015 at 09:45, ruth catlow ruth.cat...@furtherfield.org wrote: p.s. Helen your traveling dream is too often my waking reality: ( On 12/03/15 09:45, ruth catlow wrote: Once after a long day of working too many hours on a series of digital images, I dreamed that I could undo my actions. It wasn't as fun or as satisfying as you might imagine. Maybe there is something to the art lecturer cliché about valuing and owning 'accidents' in the work after all. On 12/03/15 08:27, helen varley jamieson wrote: i don't think i dream about computers at all; my dreams tend to be about people places, my anxiety dreams are nearly always associated with travel. one that i used to have for a long time was that i had to catch a train, but i couldn't fit all of my stuff into my suitcase/backpack. i would be frantically trying to cram everything into a space that was physically too small for it all, as the clock ticked mercilessly on, but i would keep trying until it was actually past the time that the train would leave (even if i also needed time to get to the station). one of those inevitable losing battle situations like the sorcerer's apprentice in fantasia, but without any brooms coming to help. happily i haven't had this dream for a while :) but it is interesting that i don't dream about computers, given that i generally spend most of my working day in front of one most of my communication with the outside world is through the computer. i always shut down completely switch off the power when i finish for the day, so maybe that achieves a mental switching-off as well. h : ) On 11/03/15 11:29 29PM, Mab MacMoragh wrote: edward i enjoyed reading about your computer dream and can totally relate to the anxiety aspect i have a recurring anxiety dream about walking to a distant place (usually it's to the small college town where i used to work) and never getting there despite hitchhiking and running and etc On Wed, Mar 11, 2015 at 3:33 PM, Edward edw...@edwardpicot.com wrote: I have a recurring anxiety dream about computers - specifically, about the clinical system I use every day when I'm working at the doctor's surgery where I earn my living. In the dream, I'm trying to do something simple like make an appointment for someone, but instead of the appointments screen or any of the familiar parts of the clinical system, I'm presented with lots of peculiar, highly-coloured and rather surreal graphics, like landscapes out of Super Mario brothers or some other digital game. These are meant to be either alternative layouts for the clinical system, or 'splash screens' you see when you first log on, before you get to the system proper. I keep trying to get past them to a screen which has actually got some useful functionality, but each screen leads to another one which is yet more bizarre and distracting - and I'm not just looking at these screens on a computer terminal, I'm kind of getting lost inside them, trying to play my way through them like a character in a digital game - while in the meantime, patients are queueing up at the surgery front desk, getting more and more impatient because I can't book them in, make them appointments, print prescriptions for them or do anything else to help them. It's a classic anxiety dream, of course. When I was at school I used to dream of getting on the wrong bus, getting off at the wrong stop, trying to walk it but taking all the wrong turnings, catching another bus which took me in the wrong direction, getting further and further away from where I was supposed to be, and more and more conscious of the fact that I was already late and missing lessons. Nowadays my dreams use computers and digital technology instead of bus-rides and twisty roads to flesh out my anxiety. Does anybody else dream about computers, anxiously or otherwise? - Edward ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour -- helen varley jamieson he...@creative-catalyst.com http://www.creative-catalyst.com http://www.talesfromthetowpath.net http://www.upstage.org.nz ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour ___ NetBehaviour mailing list
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I never dream of computers; I do dream of catastrophe, personal violence, etc. and end up waking in sweats and tears. If anything, the dreams are anti-technological; I spend so much time in front of computers and associated machinery during the day, that the night opens up to other things. I think depression relates to an empathy with suffering; if I see something horrific from PETA (we're members), that tends to come back to haunt me. Azure protects me against the worst of this; it can stun me into inactivity during the day. On the other hand, recently there have been dreams of conversations and dreams that lead to writing, and these are more peaceful. Nothing of computers, though, and nothing of music and musical instruments; only once did I hear myself improvising. -Alan == email archive http://sondheim.rupamsunyata.org/ web http://www.alansondheim.org / cell 718-813-3285 music: http://www.espdisk.com/alansondheim/ current text http://www.alansondheim.org/tc.txt == ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour
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Hi edward Great dream and also a wonderful subject. I used to suffer from desktop publishing nightmares. I used to work for a small company that made a regular magazine using Pagemaker on an early macintosh plus with a tiny screen. The screen had to refresh all the time and the process was incredibly tedious and difficult, pulling down handles on text boxes and reflowing text. All this with someone standing behind me usually as I think people enjoyed watching me do it. I could barely see by the end of the day and the experience would often return as a regular nightmare. Sometimes I would make a whole magazine in my sleep! DTP. Desk Top Punishment. On 11 Mar 2015 19:33, Edward edw...@edwardpicot.com wrote: I have a recurring anxiety dream about computers - specifically, about the clinical system I use every day when I'm working at the doctor's surgery where I earn my living. In the dream, I'm trying to do something simple like make an appointment for someone, but instead of the appointments screen or any of the familiar parts of the clinical system, I'm presented with lots of peculiar, highly-coloured and rather surreal graphics, like landscapes out of Super Mario brothers or some other digital game. These are meant to be either alternative layouts for the clinical system, or 'splash screens' you see when you first log on, before you get to the system proper. I keep trying to get past them to a screen which has actually got some useful functionality, but each screen leads to another one which is yet more bizarre and distracting - and I'm not just looking at these screens on a computer terminal, I'm kind of getting lost inside them, trying to play my way through them like a character in a digital game - while in the meantime, patients are queueing up at the surgery front desk, getting more and more impatient because I can't book them in, make them appointments, print prescriptions for them or do anything else to help them. It's a classic anxiety dream, of course. When I was at school I used to dream of getting on the wrong bus, getting off at the wrong stop, trying to walk it but taking all the wrong turnings, catching another bus which took me in the wrong direction, getting further and further away from where I was supposed to be, and more and more conscious of the fact that I was already late and missing lessons. Nowadays my dreams use computers and digital technology instead of bus-rides and twisty roads to flesh out my anxiety. Does anybody else dream about computers, anxiously or otherwise? - Edward -- ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour
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Sounds super! Can u enjoy these dreams at all ? I wish I had that dreams, not anxiety of course... Thanks for sharing *** On 11 Mar, 2015, at 21:33, Edward edw...@edwardpicot.com wrote: I have a recurring anxiety dream about computers - specifically, about the clinical system I use every day when I'm working at the doctor's surgery where I earn my living. In the dream, I'm trying to do something simple like make an appointment for someone, but instead of the appointments screen or any of the familiar parts of the clinical system, I'm presented with lots of peculiar, highly-coloured and rather surreal graphics, like landscapes out of Super Mario brothers or some other digital game. These are meant to be either alternative layouts for the clinical system, or 'splash screens' you see when you first log on, before you get to the system proper. I keep trying to get past them to a screen which has actually got some useful functionality, but each screen leads to another one which is yet more bizarre and distracting - and I'm not just looking at these screens on a computer terminal, I'm kind of getting lost inside them, trying to play my way through them like a character in a digital game - while in the meantime, patients are queueing up at the surgery front desk, getting more and more impatient because I can't book them in, make them appointments, print prescriptions for them or do anything else to help them. It's a classic anxiety dream, of course. When I was at school I used to dream of getting on the wrong bus, getting off at the wrong stop, trying to walk it but taking all the wrong turnings, catching another bus which took me in the wrong direction, getting further and further away from where I was supposed to be, and more and more conscious of the fact that I was already late and missing lessons. Nowadays my dreams use computers and digital technology instead of bus-rides and twisty roads to flesh out my anxiety. Does anybody else dream about computers, anxiously or otherwise? - Edward -- ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour
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edward i enjoyed reading about your computer dream and can totally relate to the anxiety aspect i have a recurring anxiety dream about walking to a distant place (usually it's to the small college town where i used to work) and never getting there despite hitchhiking and running and etc On Wed, Mar 11, 2015 at 3:33 PM, Edward edw...@edwardpicot.com wrote: I have a recurring anxiety dream about computers - specifically, about the clinical system I use every day when I'm working at the doctor's surgery where I earn my living. In the dream, I'm trying to do something simple like make an appointment for someone, but instead of the appointments screen or any of the familiar parts of the clinical system, I'm presented with lots of peculiar, highly-coloured and rather surreal graphics, like landscapes out of Super Mario brothers or some other digital game. These are meant to be either alternative layouts for the clinical system, or 'splash screens' you see when you first log on, before you get to the system proper. I keep trying to get past them to a screen which has actually got some useful functionality, but each screen leads to another one which is yet more bizarre and distracting - and I'm not just looking at these screens on a computer terminal, I'm kind of getting lost inside them, trying to play my way through them like a character in a digital game - while in the meantime, patients are queueing up at the surgery front desk, getting more and more impatient because I can't book them in, make them appointments, print prescriptions for them or do anything else to help them. It's a classic anxiety dream, of course. When I was at school I used to dream of getting on the wrong bus, getting off at the wrong stop, trying to walk it but taking all the wrong turnings, catching another bus which took me in the wrong direction, getting further and further away from where I was supposed to be, and more and more conscious of the fact that I was already late and missing lessons. Nowadays my dreams use computers and digital technology instead of bus-rides and twisty roads to flesh out my anxiety. Does anybody else dream about computers, anxiously or otherwise? - Edward ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour
