Re: Atari build

[John-Mark Bell]

On 29/12/2023 12:02, psl...@scubadivers.co.uk wrote:

Hi all,

I hadn't updated Netsurf on my Atari 68060@60MHz) since before January.

I have always found the Atari build to be extremely slow, 5-10 minutes 
or more to render a page being normal and I think it's the ssl that 
hurts it most. So it's not greatly usable but I do use it download 
FreeMint OS updates.


60MHz is not very much to work with, tbh, so I am not entirely surprised 
that things are slow, particularly given the ever-increasing complexity 
of the modern web.


However, the last few versions I had tried would timeout before 
rendering anything.


That was why I was still using build 5366 from 2022.

Yesterday I installed 6637 and it still gives Timeouts. The only page 
that would work was http.  I increased the curl timeout to 300 with no 
change.


All of the support libraries have been upgraded in the last year, 
including migrating to OpenSSL 3. These are significant changes so may 
have introduced some brokenness at some point.


Sadly, the Atari frontend has no maintainer (any changes are mostly to 
make it build after changes to other parts of the code) so, although CI 
continues to spit out binary builds, these are never tested (and none of 
the core developers has any specific Atari knowledge or any appropriate 
hardware/emulator so cannot test them, either).


As ever, if someone is able to work out a fix, we'll happily take a 
patch containing it!



John-Mark.
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Re: allocator_claim_pages:449

[John-Mark Bell]

On 01/12/2023 09:57, Martin Avison wrote:

In article <8e67b10b5b.harr...@bazleyfamily.co.uk>,
Harriet Bazley  wrote:

Since downloading v6511 of Netsurf I keep seeing "Unknown dynamic
area" errors pop up in my Reporter window.  These are 'silent'
errors that don't generate a WIMP error box, so presumably the user
is not supposed to be aware of them, but it gives the impression
that the app is running out of memory



Reporter 2.72 (15 Aug 2020) List Fri 1st Dec 2023  01:11



01:06:46.54 ** Clear ** from Menu
allocator_claim_pages:449 - Unknown dynamic area
allocator_claim_pages:449 - Unknown dynamic area
allocator_claim_pages:449 - Unknown dynamic area
allocator_claim_pages:449 - Unknown dynamic area
allocator_claim_pages:449 - Unknown dynamic area
allocator_claim_pages:449 - Unknown dynamic area
allocator_claim_pages:449 - Unknown dynamic area
allocator_claim_pages:449 - Unknown dynamic area
allocator_claim_pages:449 - Unknown dynamic area



Reporter 2.72 (15 Aug 2020) Listed 10 lines


They do not look like messages caused by a RISC OS error being raised,
but more like  messages produced by a specific Reporter call within
the program.


These appear to emitted by the ARMEABISupport module. There is, to my 
knowledge, no "official" release build of this, so we made sure to 
provide the same binary as was being shipped by other applications to 
ensure that everything was consistent. That may well mean that it's 
actually a debug build of the module, hence the logging.



John-Mark.
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Re: Please test the latest build

[John Rickman]

In message 
  Michael Drake  wrote:

> Hello,

> Please could you test the latest builds (5377 or later) from:

>   https://ci.netsurf-browser.org/builds/

> Particularly please test the Amiga OS4 and RISC OS builds as
> we have updated the versions of 3rd party libraries that we
> build against. Amiga OS4 builds have had about 3 years worth
> of updates and RISC OS builds about 1.5 years.

> In addition we have patched the version of libcurl we build
> against which should make HTTPS connections much faster for
> the RISC OS and Amiga OS4 builds.

installed - seems to be more responsive

John



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Re: Typing Cyrillic

[John-Mark Bell]

On 21/05/2022 10:09, Harriet Bazley wrote:

On 20 May 2022 as I do recall,
   John-Mark Bell  wrote:


Additionally, note that the character encoding used to submit forms on
websites is determined from the web site itself (and has nothing to do
with whatever settings apply to the OS on which the browser is running).
In the case of Google, the search page they serve to NetSurf does not
specify a charset to use for form submission, so the encoding of the web
page will be used. Page -> Info will tell you that this is ISO-8859-1
(i.e. Latin 1), which is not able to represent Russian, thus you will
find that attempting to search Google for Russian text will end up with
NetSurf submitting a load of question marks, instead. Other search
engines (e.g. DuckDuckGo, Yahoo) work fine as NetSurf is able to submit
UTF-8 encoded text to those (and thus Russian is representable).



I wondered if using www.google.ru would work (on the assumption that
this page presumably expects Russian input), but it doesn't.  (Page Info
gives "windows-1251", but the search result page returned then shows up
as ISO-8859-1 again)

And clicking on "Google offered in: russkiy" (in the absence of any
ability to submit Cyrillic in e-mail!) at the bottom of the page gives
an error; doing the same thing on google.de, for example, does
successfully switch the page over into searching in German.


As of CI build #5346, Google will serve up pages using the UTF-8 
encoding, so all this mess goes away.



J.
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Re: #5345 keeps scanning the fonts

[John-Mark Bell]

On 29/05/2022 17:37, John-Mark Bell wrote:

On 29/05/2022 13:16, Paul Sprangers wrote:

Dear developers,

The latest build (#5345) keeps scanning the active font folders at each
start up and quits with an error before ending it. I had to revert to 
#5342

to get rid of this behaviour.


Please send me (off-list) a log file showing the error, and any and all 
fonts that it cannot process.


To close the loop here: in this case, the issue was not with any 
individual font. Instead, it was caused by the presence of more than 255 
unique fonts on Paul's system -- a single code path failed to properly 
account for this with the result being corrupted memory and undefined 
behaviour. This is fixed in build #5346.



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Re: #5345 keeps scanning the fonts

[John-Mark Bell]

On 29/05/2022 19:10, Paul Sprangers wrote:



Please send me (off-list) a log file showing the error, and any and all
fonts that it cannot process.


The font that it cannot process is UniFont. When I remove that one from the
font directory, NetSurf behaves nicely and won't scan the fonts next time
that it is started. I will send you the log file privately. Do you wish to
receive the font in question as well?


Yes.


J.
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Re: #5345 keeps scanning the fonts

[John-Mark Bell]

On 29/05/2022 13:16, Paul Sprangers wrote:

Dear developers,

The latest build (#5345) keeps scanning the active font folders at each
start up and quits with an error before ending it. I had to revert to #5342
to get rid of this behaviour.


Please send me (off-list) a log file showing the error, and any and all 
fonts that it cannot process.



Pi4 / RISC OS 5.29 (19-Feb-21) and some large unicode fonts.
Switching the unicode fonts off avoids the error, but NetSurf will still
keep scanning the fonts at each new boot.


If the scan completes, then it will not scan again unless one or more of 
the following is the case:


1. The installed fonts change
2. The cache file in !Scrap does not exist

Note that the cache file has moved in recent versions of NetSurf so, if 
you have something that cleans out scrap on boot, it will need to be 
updated to preserve the RUfl cache.



J.
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Re: Typing Cyrillic

[John-Mark Bell]

On 20/05/2022 17:58, Harriet Bazley wrote:

How do I type Cyrillic into Netsurf?   I have the necessary fonts for
the browser to *display* it, but I can't, for example, type a Russian
word into a Google search box or quote a line of Russian poetry in my
blog.  (I'm pretty sure I have managed it in the past by the incredibly
laborious technique of searching using transliterated Latin text for a
Web page containing the relevant word in the right case and
capitalisation and copying and pasting the text from one window to
another, but the process is rather like trying to compose a letter from
words cut out of the newspaper!)



On RISC OS 5, you can use the following (cumbersome) approach:

1. Open a Task window and enter *Country

   This will output the current Country setting. (We're assuming here
   that you don't have some non-standard setup where you have explicitly
   configured an Alphabet and/or Keyboard the differ from the Country's
   default -- if you have done so, then enter *Alphabet and *Keyboard
   to obtain their current settings).

2. Enter *Country Russia in the Task Window

   This will set the Country to Russia, the system alphabet (*Alphabet)
   to Cyrillic and the keyboard (*Keyboard) to Russia. (If you prefer,
   or have non-standard settings as described above, you can set
   *Alphabet and *Keyboard explicitly instead of using *Country. Do make
   sure that you set both settings, though -- the system alphabet must
   be either Cyrillic or UTF8 for this to work, and you obviously need
   to select the correct keyboard driver, too)

3. Press the left Alt and Shift keys together

   The Russian keyboard driver has two layers, which may be switched
   between by pressing the left Alt and Shift keys simultaneously. The
   base layer is equivalent to a US keyboard, the alternate layer is the
   Russian 104 key layout. Here we have switched to the alternate layer.

4. Type the text you want into NetSurf

   The keycaps on your physical keyboard won't help you now -- you'll
   need to know the layout of a Russian keyboard. If you don't, then
   you can find a Drawfile containing the relevant layout at [1].

5. Press the left Alt and Shift keys together

   This switches the keyboard driver back to the base layer (US layout)

6. Enter *Country  in the Task Window

   This sets the Country/Alphabet/Keyboard settings back to what they
   were before.  here is that output in step 1, above.
   Again, use *Alphabet and *Keyboard instead, if these are relevant to
   you.

If you think the above is unpleasant, then you would be correct. 
Unfortunately, this is an excellent example of an area where RISC OS is 
resolutely stuck in the 1980s. It will require significant work on the 
OS itself to improve matters.


Additionally, note that the character encoding used to submit forms on 
websites is determined from the web site itself (and has nothing to do 
with whatever settings apply to the OS on which the browser is running).
In the case of Google, the search page they serve to NetSurf does not 
specify a charset to use for form submission, so the encoding of the web 
page will be used. Page -> Info will tell you that this is ISO-8859-1 
(i.e. Latin 1), which is not able to represent Russian, thus you will 
find that attempting to search Google for Russian text will end up with 
NetSurf submitting a load of question marks, instead. Other search 
engines (e.g. DuckDuckGo, Yahoo) work fine as NetSurf is able to submit 
UTF-8 encoded text to those (and thus Russian is representable).



J.

1. 
https://gitlab.riscosopen.org/RiscOS/Sources/Internat/IntKey/-/blob/master/Layouts/Russia,aff

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Re: Netsurf suddenly fails to start

[John-Mark Bell]

On 16/08/2021 19:09, Dave wrote:

VRPC-DL RISC OS 6.20

Help please.

Recently it was okay, but suddenly today Netsurf fails to run, presenting
the following.

" ** WimpError ** from NetSurf
   Error  : &0001
   Message: The Unicode font library could not be initialized. Please
   report this to the developers."


What, why and how to fix it?


It is likely you have recently added some new fonts to your system which 
are causing the library to get confused.


Shift-double-click on !NetSurf, and run the OpenScrap script within. 
Then send the log file to me (off list) and we'll see what it says.



J.
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Re: Crashing after #5252

[John Rickman]

In message <5904f95cf0petit.f...@free.fr>
  Petit Four  wrote:

> In article <25c3f20459.j...@rickman.argonet..co.uk>,
>John Rickman  wrote:

>> is there a workaround for exporting the webpage URL?

> You now have to use the menu - over page, Page > Save location, then choose
> the format.

> But nowhere near as convenient as the former "drag" options!

Thanks John,

It's the price of progress I guess, win some, lose some.
Anyway, many thanks to whoever fixed the NetSurf scrolling horror.
Version #5265 scrolls beautifully with the scroll wheel.

John

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Re: Crashing after #5252

[John Rickman]

In message <5903d8e9c5petit.f...@free.fr>
  Petit Four  wrote:

>> Please try with #5261 or later.

> Great! https://www.bbc.co.uk/schedules/p00fzl7j now works again, as does
> https://www.netsurf-browser.org/ - thanks!

Good news -
is there a workaround for exporting the webpage URL?
I can't drug and drop it, there isn't a menu option that I can see and
I can't seem to get the URL into the clipboard.

John


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Re: Dragging from URL icon

[John Rickman]

In message <980d53d858.harr...@bazleyfamily.co.uk>
  Harriet Bazley  wrote:

> On 1 Dec 2020 as I do recall,
>   John Rickman  wrote:

>> In message <58d83a9b0bstuartli...@orpheusinternet.co.uk>
>>   lists  wrote:

> [snip]


>>> Copying text from a web page is fine, the problem occurs when trying to
>>> copy a URL, as one might if sending a link to someone else for example.
>> 
>> You can drag URLs directly from the address bar and drop them into the
>> target area - no need for copy and paste.
>> 
> You can't in versions later than v5220 - which is what started this
> thread.  The feature has disappeared.

Sorry, wasn't paying attention. I am still using 3.10 #4967.
Looks as if I shouldn't upgrade until the NrtSurf team have fixed it.

John




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Re: Dragging from URL icon

[John Rickman]

In message <58d83a9b0bstuartli...@orpheusinternet.co.uk>
  lists  wrote:

> In article <8cf133d858.tig...@bc63.orpheusinternet.co.uk>,
>Nick Roberts  wrote:

>> I just tried that on my NetSurf #5223 and it worked fine to copy text
>> from a web page into zap (except using Ctrl-Y on zap rather than
>> Ctrl-V).

>> I may be trying to do something different to what you meant, but if so
>> your description wasn't as clear as it needs to be.

> Copying text from a web page is fine, the problem occurs when trying to
> copy a URL, as one might if sending a link to someone else for example.

You can drag URLs directly from the address bar and drop them into the 
target area - no need for copy and paste.

John

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Re: Please test webp image format

[John Williams]

In article <514e111f-108b-c4aa-b35b-081f9544d...@codethink.co.uk>,
   Michael Drake  wrote:

> So far we've only tested on Linux. Please could users of other
> platforms visit

Dev CI #4947 fixes the colour swapping for me on my original Pi2 and for
David Pitt, who reported elsewhere: 

> Oh dear I can't now get to the Netsurf mailing list with Plusnet's
> webmail.

> I only wanted to report that webp image colours are OK now with #4947.
> Tested on Titanium and RPi3B+. 

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Re: TLS Security NS 3.8

[John-Mark Bell]

On 05/07/2019 05:01, ferrit...@yahoo.com wrote:

Little more than a week ago I posted about the Security Certs for NS 3.8. I was 
not aware at that time that NS 3.9 was already available (I was using a link 
provided for D/L of 3.8). Since there has been other bugs/problems, I thought 
to provide the actual results. The location of this Qualys Client Test is

https://www.ssllabs.com/ssltest/viewMyClient.html

Presuming the Certs are within NS 3.8, it would appear that the "weak" certs be 
removed for added security. I did not receive an answer to the question if the certs are 
tapped from the Distribution or the Browser. So, here are the results...


This test does nothing with certificates. However, the answer as to 
which certificates get used depends upon the platform you are using. If 
Linux, it will, by default, use the standard system-wide CA certificate 
store (usually found in /etc/ssl/certs).




Protocols
TLS 1.3 No
TLS 1.2 Yes*
TLS 1.1 Yes*
TLS 1.0 Yes*
SSL 3 Yes*
SSL 2 No


These are not an accurate reflection of reality -- the test relies on 
support for more Javascript (and associated things) than NetSurf has.


NetSurf supports TLS1.0/1.1/1.2. SSL2/3 are disabled. TLS1.2 will always 
be used by preference.



Cipher Suites (in order of preference)
TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (0xc030)   Forward Secrecy 256
TLS_ECDHE_ECDSA_WITH_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (0xc02c)   Forward Secrecy 256
TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_256_CBC_SHA384 (0xc028)  WEAK 256
TLS_ECDHE_ECDSA_WITH_AES_256_CBC_SHA384 (0xc024)  WEAK 256
TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (0xc02f)   Forward Secrecy 128
TLS_ECDHE_ECDSA_WITH_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (0xc02b)   Forward Secrecy 128
TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_128_CBC_SHA256 (0xc027)  WEAK 128
TLS_ECDHE_ECDSA_WITH_AES_128_CBC_SHA256 (0xc023)  WEAK 128
TLS_DHE_RSA_WITH_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (0x9f)   Forward Secrecy 256
TLS_DHE_RSA_WITH_AES_256_CBC_SHA256 (0x6b)  WEAK 256
TLS_DHE_RSA_WITH_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (0x9e)   Forward Secrecy 128
TLS_DHE_RSA_WITH_AES_128_CBC_SHA256 (0x67)  WEAK 128
TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_256_CBC_SHA (0xc014)  WEAK 256
TLS_ECDHE_ECDSA_WITH_AES_256_CBC_SHA (0xc00a)  WEAK 256
TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_128_CBC_SHA (0xc013)  WEAK 128
TLS_ECDHE_ECDSA_WITH_AES_128_CBC_SHA (0xc009)  WEAK 128
TLS_DHE_RSA_WITH_AES_256_CBC_SHA (0x39)  WEAK 256
TLS_DHE_RSA_WITH_AES_128_CBC_SHA (0x33)  WEAK 128
TLS_RSA_WITH_AES_128_CBC_SHA (0x2f)  WEAK 128
TLS_EMPTY_RENEGOTIATION_INFO_SCSV (0xff) -
(1) When a browser supports SSL 2, its SSL 2-only suites are shown only on the 
very first connection to this site. To see the suites, close all browser 
windows, then open this exact page directly. Don't refresh.


Qualys currently marks all CBC ciphersuites as "weak", as a result of a 
preponderance of padding oracle issues in implementations. If built 
against a modern OpenSSL, there are no currently known issues here. CBC 
suites will remain enabled in NetSurf until such time as they are not 
required for compatibility with web servers that don't support GCM.



J.

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[John Williams]

James, please look at thread:

https://www.riscosopen.org/forum/forums/5/topics/1010

John

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Re: shortcut "font" in CSS

[John-Mark Bell]

On 22/06/2019 19:09, Jim Nagel wrote:

Does the shortcut version of the "font" property in CSS work properly in
Netsurf?


Yes, it does. You can find extensive test data at [1].


This CSS gives me the display I want:
  font-family: serif;
  font-style: italic;
  font-weight: bold;
  font-size: 24pt;

This single CSS expression is supposed to be equivalent, but Netsurf
ignores it:
  font: serif italic bold 24pt;

Or am I failing to understand the spec?


I'm afraid so. The spec[2,3] says that (assuming none of the 
single-token values are specified -- e.g. caption or inherit):


* font-style, font-variant, font-weight appear first (in any order), if
  required
* font-size comes next (and is always required)
* an optional line-height may be specified next
* font-family appears last

So, given the long-hand you have specified above, you want something like:

  font: bold italic 24pt serif;


J.

1. https://git.netsurf-browser.org/libcss.git/tree/test/data/parse2/font.dat
2. https://www.w3.org/TR/CSS21/fonts.html#font-shorthand
3. https://www.w3.org/TR/css-fonts-3/#font-prop

Re: Crash on loading NetSurf

[John-Mark Bell]

On 19/02/2019 22:29, Andrew Pinder wrote:

Message from NetSurf: "The Unicode font library could not be
initialised.  Please report this to the developers."

I don't believe this is a bug - it's the aftermath of a crash.

This ARMini (RO 5.22) had been out of use for a period due to a house
move.  I had been using release 4335, which seemed stable.  I
downloaded release 4528 as the then most recent.  This ran but wasn't
displaying some pages correctly.  I think the next day I had a crash
while downloading email with NetFetch.  This caused disc problems.
After using DiscKnight and repairing Messenger I then tried loading
NetSurf.  I got the above error message.  I deleted r4528 and reverted
to r4335.  The error message still occurs on attempting to load
NetSurf.  I double checked the modules in System to make sure they
were the ones that came with r4335.

My best guess is that a Unicode file has been corrupted.  How do I
check?  Where do I find an up to date version of Unicode to install?


The Unicode resource (!Unicode) has very little to do with the Unicode 
font library used internally by NetSurf.


Please provide a NetSurf log file (which can be found by running the 
OpenScrap obey file stored in the NetSurf application directory -- shift 
double click on !NetSurf to open it) from a crashing start -- this 
contains copious information which will allow the developers to 
understand what is going on. In all likelihood you have a font installed 
that causes it to get confused. I thought we'd found and fixed all of 
the issues here over the last decade, but clearly not.



J.

Re: Missing images

[John Williams]

In article ,
   Richard Porter  wrote:

> Before I raise a bug report I'd like to know if other NetSurf users are 
> seeing the same fault.

All seems visible here! Latest 5.25 ROM, NetSurf 3.8 (Dev CI #4386) - both
latest AFAIK.

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Re: Missing images

[John Williams]

In article <8e6cf72457.r...@user.minijem.plus.com>,
   Richard Porter  wrote:

> I've now got the same problem with http://www.minimarcos.org/

That's OK here as well!

Must be a local problem!

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Re: URL crashes Netsurf

[John Rickman]

In message <b42e26e856.j...@rickman.argonet..co.uk>
  John Rickman <rick...@argonet.co.uk> wrote:

> In message <56e81c01ccli...@torrens.org>
>   "Richard Torrens (lists)" <li...@torrens.org> wrote:

>> This URL
>> www.siemens-home.bsh-group.com/uk
>> causes Netsurf to totally crash on the ARMX6 with 5.23 (18-Feb-18).
>> Does it happen to anyone else?

> Works for me with:
>  ARMX6 with 5.23 (18-Feb-18)
>  NetSurf 3.8 #4235

Javascript enabled



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Re: URL crashes Netsurf

[John Rickman]

In message <56e81c01ccli...@torrens.org>
  "Richard Torrens (lists)" <li...@torrens.org> wrote:

> This URL
> www.siemens-home.bsh-group.com/uk
> causes Netsurf to totally crash on the ARMX6 with 5.23 (18-Feb-18).
> Does it happen to anyone else?

Works for me with:
 ARMX6 with 5.23 (18-Feb-18)
 NetSurf 3.8 #4235

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Re: date in search results

[John Rickman]

In message <56cb6af6b5...@timil.com>
  Tim Hill <t...@timil.com> wrote:

>> In the advanced serch options Google used to have an option to search
>> by a range of dates. This has been removed from the mobile a desktop
>> versions.

> #FakeNews. ;-)   It is still on desktops.

> www.google.com/advanced_search

> It's the eighth parameter on that page.

The parameter is still there, but

The drop down list offers ->
 anytime
 past 24 hours
 past week
 past month
 past year

The default is anytime which is heavily weighted in favour of new 
stuff.

The option which allowed you to specify a date range has been removed.

John


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Re: linking to root of website, not root of drive

[John Williams]

In article <f4f7e9cc56@6.abbeypress.net>,
   Jim Nagel <nets...@abbeypress.co.uk> wrote:

> why does RiscOS actually bother having a specific filetype for a CSS
> file?  It's only text.  Doubleclicking it only loads it into a text
> editor.

Many files are just plain text, but the filetype is helpful in that an icon
can be assigned, helping to spot the required file visually by type rather
than looking for obscure file extensions or looking at contents.

It's how RISC OS does it, and I like it that way!

John

PS and yes, it is actually RISC OS, not RiscOS with its pseudo camel-case.
Editor should have spotted that one!

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Re: date in search results

[John Rickman]

In message <8d6444cb56@6.abbeypress.net>
  Jim Nagel <nets...@abbeypress.co.uk> wrote:

> What causes Google (or other searchers) to display (or not display) a
> DATE in search results?

> If I ran the world, *every* item would show a date.  So often one
> wants current information, not waste time on stuff from 2001.

> But sometimes historical stuff is indeed what is sought.

I am not big on conspiracy theories, but here is one with a lot of 
personal experience to support it.

Google is reluctant to return pages with old data. In the beginning 
Google worked by trying to answer queries. Now it uses every query as 
an excuse to present pages that can be monetised.
Search for a line of a poem and a few years ago you would get a series 
of hits about the poem and the poet.
Now you get a load of crap consisting of references to YouTube videos 
for songs with lyrics that contain fragments the searched for quote.

In the advanced serch options Google used to have an option to search 
by a range of dates. This has been removed from the mobile a desktop 
versions.

Who is likely to want to pay for advert to pop up on a page that was 
last updated a long time ago?

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Re: Backyard Worlds

[John Rickman]

In message <000646f6.01e9b4901...@smtp.freeola.net>
  Peter Slegg <p.sl...@scubadivers.co.uk> wrote:

> Netsurf isn't able to open this link:

> https://blog.backyardworlds.org/2018/02/14/we-love-you-and-happy-anniversary/

> It just says "Unable to fetch document" after ~20s.

It opens with no problem here on ARMX6 NetSurf 3.8 #4235

John



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Re: Logging of Changes

[John Williams]

Thank you for the clarification/explanation!

Best wishes, 
 
John

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Logging of Changes

[John Williams]

Why are there often series of changes which are not specifically logged at:

 http://ci.netsurf-browser.org/jenkins/view/All/job/netsurf/changes

like in the last 13 builds. Does the information appear somewhere else?

John

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Re: Failure to initialise Unicode font library

[John Williams]

In article <20171207113455.gk32...@platypus.pepperfish.net>,
   Rob Kendrick <r...@netsurf-browser.org> wrote:

> Have you added any fonts recently?

No.  Of course, the first thing both these apps normally do after a
start-up is to scan fonts, and a file !Scrap.ScrapDirs.ScrapDir.RUfl_cache
appears.

That seems to be there, so perhaps it is corrupted and present, thus
inhibiting a further scan.  I'll try renaming it or moving it.

Of course, as I copied all the resources over, that included Scrap!

That seems to have done the trick!

Though it doesn't explain why it didn't work before I copied over the
resources from back-up!

No matter, sorted now, thanks!

John

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Failure to initialise Unicode font library

[John Williams]

My RPi has suddenly developed an inability to load NetSurf:

The Unicode font library could not be initialized. Please report   
thisto the developers.

and James Bursa's Sargasso:

   Failed to initialise Unicode font library

Both of these apps were working perfectly in France on 4/12/17, but the
problem cropped up on my reconnection on my return home.

Thinking this was a problem with a shared resource as it affected two
applications, I restored my previously backed-up Boot:Resources directory
in its entirety, as I did not know which particular resource would produce
this error, but to no avail.

Any suggestions as to what to look at next?

John

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Re: URL lengths

[John Williams]

In article <20171128115425.22cudniq3zrfba3l@somnambulist.local>,
   Daniel Silverstone <dsilv...@netsurf-browser.org> wrote:

> I don't believe we limit URL length per-se, though they get interned and
> as such four gigabytes per URL is probably the absolute limit.  In
> addition, POST data is nominally unlimited though I believe we have a
> similar four gigabyte limit.

Right, so it will be an arbitrary comparatively small allowance I will
make, and then politely refuse to handle anything larger.

Thank you all for your assistance.

John

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Re: URL lengths

[John Williams]

In article <0612b1a156.ga...@wra1th.plus.com>,
   Gavin Wraith <ga...@wra1th.plus.com> wrote:

> From a quick glance at the NetSurf 3.7 sources I would guess that the
> answer rather depends on which platform, and then on the particular
> machine NetSurf is running on.

I am, of course, running RISC OS.

> If your menu program is in BBC BASIC

which it is

> I would DIM buffers for URLs from the heap as you need them.

So you're suggesting that I measure each URL length first, perhaps BGETting
it until I encounter a terminator, and then DIM a variable accordingly -
or, actually, a series of concatenating variables as I intend to BPUT them
later; so I don't really need to have a long variable, just a series of
suitable GET variables.

A number would be easier!  How many?

John

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URL lengths

[John Williams]

I'm writing a little menu program to generate URL index pages.  It's to
make URLs easily available to my Linux machine if there are any problems
with a page/site under NetSurf.

What is the maximum URL length (including POST data) that NetSurf can
handle?

My program is taking text URLs, Ant URL files or Acorn URI files and
parsing them (in the latter case!) to extract the URL string for use in the
menu page, but I need to know the maximum length NetSurf can handle so that
I can provide for all possibilities that it may throw my way.

Or I could just choose an arbitrary large maximum - but what would a
sensible limit be before complaining? 500 characters /seems/ reasonable,
but is it actually?

An genuine real-life number would be better!

John

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Name from NetSurf has underscores for percents

[John Rickman]

Is this a bug?

If you open this link in NetSurf :-
https://hu.123rf.com/photo_34178186_soil-grooves-farming-earth-soil-grooves-over-field-for-crop-planting-on-rural-countryside-farm-lands.html

The webpage shows a JPEG of a ploughed field.
Then if you  menu>Object>Object>Save...   and drag/drop the jpeg onto 
an application eg Artworks, ChangeFSI etc the load fails because the 
file name is not correct.

(quoting Bernard Boase)-

NetSurf has output the file name as

 34178186-talaj-hornyok-mez_C5_91gazdas_C3_A1gi-earth-talaj-b
 ar_C3_A1zd_C3_A1k-f_C3_B6l_C3_B6tt-mez_C5_91-n_C3_B6v_C3_A9n
 y-_C3_BCltet_C3_A9si-a-vid_C3_A9ken-m/jpg

but the underscores should be percent signs to code for letters with
Hungarian diacritics in Unicode:

 34178186-talaj-hornyok-mez_C5%91gazdas%C3%A1gi-earth-talaj-b
 ar%C3%A1zd%C3%A1k-f%C3%B6l%C3%B6tt-mez%C5%91-n%C3%B6v%C3%A9n
 y-%C3%BCltet%C3%A9si-a-vid%C3%A9ken-m/jpg

whereupon it works into the apps.

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Browser ID/User Agent

[John Williams]

I've been doing some stuff recently with browser ID strings, and find that
it is quite complicated!

There is stuff called Mozilla compatibility, platform, platform details,
specific enhancements etcetera! All very difficult to untangle!

But NetSurf (RISC OS) resolutely reports itself as:

NetSurf/3.7 (RISC OS)

which isn't terribly helpful/compatible with the likes of, for instance:

Mozilla/5.0 (Linux; Android 6.0.1; SAMSUNG SM-T550 Build/MMB29M) 
AppleWebKit/537.36 (KHTML, like Gecko) SamsungBrowser/4.0 
Chrome/44.0.2403.133 Safari/537.36

Observations, please!

John

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Congratulations!

[John Williams]

Congratulations to the NetSurf team for all the hard work it took to get to
#4000!

Best wishes, 
 
John

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Re: history and hotlist not saved; CSS site

[John Rickman Iyonix]

 In article <c77953e355@abbeypress.net>, Jim Nagel
 <nets...@abbeypress.co.uk> wrote:
> Last night I was looking for tips on how to use CSS for something on
> my website

Jim - you might find the links in the middle column on this page 
useful:-

http://rickman.orpheusweb.co.uk/lynx/lynxweb.html

John

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Re: history and hotlist not saved; CSS site

[John Williams]

In article <c77953e355@abbeypress.net>,
   Jim Nagel <nets...@abbeypress.co.uk> wrote:

> Back to original Q about when Netsurf saves its hotlist.

On quitting, same as its cookies. So if you want to do different user
stuff, NetSurf has to be quitted before changing the Choices location.

I do this to access my wife's FaceBook and GMail - with her permission, of
course. on a machine I can do something sensible with the data on! Things
like save out pictures full size, print off tickets etcetera.

For simplicity I have separate complete Choices files and a change-user
script which checks if NS is running and stops to warn me if it is. 
Quitting NS automatically seemed a bit like overkill - it helps to remember
what's going on if you have to do it yourself!

John

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Re: !Cache

[John Williams]

In article <55bcf7a3bdnets...@avisoft.f9.co.uk>,
   Martin Avison <nets...@avisoft.f9.co.uk> wrote:

> 3.5 (6th April 1016)

So before the Norman Conquest, then?

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hijack of NetSurf Wiki

[John Rickman Iyonix]

Has the NetSurf Wiki been abandoned?
The link:
http://wiki.netsurf-browser.org/Main_Page
leads to an article "5 Ways to Make Money in Commodities".

John


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WS

Facebook

[John Williams]

I've just discovered that I can get Facebook up in NetSurf if I substitute
"m" for "www" in the URL.

That'll save a lot of wear and tear on the memory stick to get photos of
the new granddaughter into my RISC OS e-mails for the elderly relative (90)
that sends cheques, not to mention my time!

Forgive me if you already knew ...

John

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Re: Text drag & drop

[John Williams]

In article <5577741072joh...@ukgateway.net>,
   John Williams <joh...@ukgateway.net> wrote:

> So that might correspond with: ...

Thank you, Vincent; normal behaviour restored!

John

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Re: Netsurf Cache -- relocation tangent

[John Williams]

In article <1fd5ae6f55@abbeypress.net>,
   Jim Nagel <nets...@abbeypress.co.uk> wrote:

> So on all my machines I made a new directory that comes alphabetically
> last:   $._

That may well not come last on all filing systems, so no-one make that
assumption.

Jim doesn't specify what FS(s) all his machines are using.

I discovered this when devising a system for ensuring the completeness of
my back-ups by testing for the presence of a specific (last) file or
directory. As an example, SDFS and Fat32fs differ markedly in the order
they copy items elsewhere.

Implications probably not mission-critical in Jim's particular case, but
are in mine!

Best wishes, 
 
John

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RISC OS/RPi 3 support

[John-Mark Bell]

All,

Build 3460 or later should run fine on the Raspberry Pi 3 under RISC OS. 
As none of the developers have such hardware, please could somebody who 
does please test this and ensure it works.


Thanks,


John-Mark.

Re: Missing images

[John Rickman Iyonix]

Peter Young  wrote

> On 10 Mar 2016  Peter Slegg <p.sl...@scubadivers.co.uk> wrote:

>> Using the recent Atari builds on this newspaper:

>> http://www.express.co.uk/

>> the first few images are displayed but when I scroll down, the
>> rest are missing.

> The same on RISC OS, with #3434.

Works ok on my Iyonix 5.23 with #3434 images displayed right down to 
the bottom of the page.


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Re: JavaScript status indicator - request for a snippet of code

[John Williams]

In article ,
   Richard Porter  wrote:

> >  document.write("javascript is enabled"); 

> alternatively / additionally:

> JS Off

Excellent!

I drop out of PHP and do them both, then drop back in:

?>
 document.write("JavaScript is
enabled!
"); 
JavaScript is disabled

Re: JavaScript status indicator - request for a snippet of code

[John Williams]

In article <60ac4d5355.iyoj...@rickman.argonet.co.uk>,
   John Rickman Iyonix <rick...@argonet.co.uk> wrote:

> try this:

>  document.write("javascript is enabled"); 

Perfick, as HE Bates was prone to write!

Thank you.

John

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Re: JavaScript status indicator - request for a snippet of code

[John Rickman Iyonix]

John Williams  wrote


> Can anyone who understands JS provide a snippet of JS code that I can
> insert in the footer of my local HTML index page to conditionally print,
> say, "JavaScript is enabled!" as a reminder of NetSurf's current JS status.

> If anyone wants to "go the whole hog" and reflect the two possible states,
> then my local index page¹ uses PHP served by WebJames, but that is by no
> means essential and may well be over-complicated.

> I suspect that what I require is very simple/trivial and can be done in one
> line of JS.


try this:

 document.write("javascript is enabled"); 

John


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JavaScript status indicator - request for a snippet of code

[John Williams]

Can anyone who understands JS provide a snippet of JS code that I can
insert in the footer of my local HTML index page to conditionally print,
say, "JavaScript is enabled!" as a reminder of NetSurf's current JS status.

If anyone wants to "go the whole hog" and reflect the two possible states,
then my local index page¹ uses PHP served by WebJames, but that is by no
means essential and may well be over-complicated.

I suspect that what I require is very simple/trivial and can be done in one
line of JS.

TIA

John

¹ As described in my article in Archive magazine some years ago.

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Re: Big push on testing needed

[John Rickman Iyonix]

Daniel Silverstone  wrote

> On Mon, Jan 25, 2016 at 20:43:19 +0000, John Rickman Iyonix wrote:
>> My javascript is now working. the problem was that the new interpreter
>> does not like html comments between the  and  tags.

> Have you reported this, along with an *attached* test case, to the BTS?
> If so, can you let me know the issue number?

Hello Daniel,
 Michael Drake has reported it upstream to Duktape

 https://github.com/svaarala/duktape/pull/564


John


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Re: Big push on testing needed

[John Rickman Iyonix]

>Dave Higton  wrote
> My reference suggests that an HTML comment is /not/ a legal Javascript
> comment.  Perhaps you should open a discussion with the author of the
> above application.  I would, of course, be very interested to know the
> conclusion!

Dave - below is an extract from the
"Ecma Standard definition of the ECMAScript 2015 Language",

Assuming that that JavaScript is entirely defined by the ECMAScript 
standard, it seems clear that html style comments are valid.

*
"Annex B (normative) Additional ECMAScript Features for Web Browsers"
...
B.1.3 HTML-like Comments
The syntax and semantics of 11.4 is extended as follows except that 
this extension is not when parsing source
code using the goal symbol Module:

Syntax
Comment ::
 MultiLineComment
 SingleLineComment
 SingleLineHTMLOpenComment
 SingleLineHTMLCloseComment
 SingleLineDelimitedComment

MultiLineComment ::
   /* FirstCommentLineopt LineTerminator MultiLineCommentCharsopt 
*/ HTMLCloseCommentopt

FirstCommentLine ::
   SingleLineDelimitedCommentChars

SingleLineHTMLOpenComment ::

SingleLineCommentCharsopt

SingleLineDelimitedCommentChars ::
   SingleLineNotAsteriskChar SingleLineDelimitedCommentCharsopt
   * SingleLinePostAsteriskCommentCharsopt

SingleLineNotAsteriskChar ::
   SourceCharacter but not one of * or LineTerminator

SingleLinePostAsteriskCommentChars ::
   SingleLineNotForwardSlashOrAsteriskChar 
SingleLineDelimitedCommentCharsopt
   * SingleLinePostAsteriskCommentCharsopt

SingleLineNotForwardSlashOrAsteriskChar ::
   SourceCharacter but not one of / or * or LineTerminator

WhiteSpaceSequence ::
  WhiteSpace WhiteSpaceSequenceopt

SingleLineDelimitedCommentSequence ::
   SingleLineDelimitedComment WhiteSpaceSequenceopt 
SingleLineDelimitedCommentSequenceopt



Copyright Ecma International 2015   

page  523


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Re: Big push on testing needed

[John Rickman Iyonix]

Dave Higton  wrote

> In message <57e4a64755.iyoj...@rickman.argonet.co.uk>
>   John Rickman Iyonix <rick...@argonet.co.uk> wrote:

>>As far as I know javascript should ignore html comments and the
>>javascript validator does not flag them as errors
>>
>> http://www.javascriptlint.com/online_lint.php

> My reference suggests that an HTML comment is /not/ a legal Javascript
> comment.  Perhaps you should open a discussion with the author of the
> above application.  I would, of course, be very interested to know the
> conclusion!

It doesn't really matter now as I have changed all the comments to 
"proper" JavaScript style. I don't remember where I got the idea that 
html style was acceptable in JS, but the article in this link says 
they are ok:-
  http://www.javascripter.net/faq/comments.htm

I will investigate further.

John

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Re: Big push on testing needed

[John Rickman Iyonix]

Dave Higton  wrote

>> I am happy to download every day, or whenever a new version is
>> available.
>> Is there any information available about the current state of
>> javascript?

> That's impossible to answer in any way that is both simple and
> meaningful.

> The Javascript interpreter was replaced with a different one
> a few months ago.  The decision was taken not to make a new
> stable release of NS until all the Javascript features of the
> previous interpreter are present again.  However, some other
> JS features are also present.

> The JS implementation is still far from complete, though.  If
> you need a RISC OS browser with complete (-ish) Javascript at
> the moment, you'll have to use Otter or QupZilla, and put up
> with the slower speeds.

> To look at your question from a different angle: is there a
> particular Javascript feature that you need?

Hello Dave, thanks for the information. It is sufficient for my 
purpose. When the JS interepreter was changed all of my JS example 
code stopped working. I believed, mistakenly it turns out, that the JS 
support in NetSurf was a sort of place holder. I have been waiting for 
some sort of announcment that it had been re-implemented.

I have now looked more closely at my code and believe I have found the 
problem.

This link which contains various javascript examples used to work in 
NetSurf and now does not. The fact that it works on other browsers  
led me to believe that NetSurf was at fault:-

   http://rickman.orpheusweb.co.uk/testing/test5.html

I have now traced the problem to an error in my code. I need to fix 
the problem and try again.

John

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Re: Big push on testing needed

[John Rickman Iyonix]

John Rickman Iyonix  wrote

>http://rickman.orpheusweb.co.uk/testing/test5.html

> I have now traced the problem to an error in my code. I need to fix
> the problem and try again.

My javascript is now working. the problem was that the new interpreter
does not like html comments between the  and  tags.

 
  Bakehouse-Cyber
 
 <!-- here is some javascript -->
   document.write("hello world");
 
  

As far as I know javascript should ignore html comments and the 
javascript validator does not flag them as errors

 http://www.javascriptlint.com/online_lint.php

John


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Re: Big push on testing needed

[John Rickman Iyonix]

Dave Higton  wrote

> Big news...

> Current test (CI) builds are now release candidates.  Yes, a new
> release of NetSurf is imminent.

> Please, everybody, download the latest test build (which will,
> of course, change as bugs are found and fixed), give it a good
> thrashing, and get your bug reports in.

> Please also note that, since it's now close to release time, the
> Javascript setting in Choices->Content is obeyed (and has been
> for a couple of days or so now).


I am happy to download every day, or whenever a new version is 
available.
Is there any information available about the current state of 
javascript?

John

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Builds as reflected on changes page under Build History

[John Williams]

I have noticed a few times, including as I write this, that sometimes the
progress of a build seems to get stuck as shown at:

  http://ci.netsurf-browser.org/jenkins/view/All/job/netsurf/changes

Today the progress is still stuck from Jan 15, 2016 7:37 on #3269 at, say,
95% completion, and a build #3270 remains "pending".

RISC OS #3269 has downloaded fine, but presumably something has stuck at a
later point for another OS.

Why/how does this happen?

Also, sometimes there is nothing listed under Changes for versions - not
even a build reference.

Just curious!

John

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Coffee in Bolognaise

[John Williams]

It was really nice to see an animation just like a video 2/3 the way down
the page on:
  
http://metro.co.uk/2015/09/09/we-put-instant-coffee-in-our-spaghetti-bolognese-so-you-dont-have-to-5382221/

Alas it was just an animated GIF file!  But, nonetheless, good fun!

I'd have to use real coffee, as I get gut-ache with instant!

John

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Search Case Sensitivity - RISC OS - #3251

[John Williams]

The case sensitivity option does now work, but the highlighting of the
found terms only works if "Show all" is selected.

At least, so it seems here.  Perhaps someone else could check

John

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Re: Search Case Sensitivity - RISC OS - #3251

[John Williams]

In article <mpro.o0j0un00ouqy9039j.pit...@pittdj.co.uk>,
   David Pitt <pit...@pittdj.co.uk> wrote:

> Seems OK here, without "Show all" ticked the first match is highlighted.

Ah - yes, it does seem to work on other pages.

I had recently consulted:

  
http://www.vetuk.co.uk/pet-meds-prescription-only-advocate-for-dogs-c-21_701/advocate-for-large-dogs-p-1624

so I searched for "dog", then "Dog" on that page, as I already knew that
both instances occurred there. It seemed a suitable test page!

Here the highlight only happens if "Show all" is selected.  The page
scrolls as expected, but the highlights are not shown.  The page source
does have lots of instances inside tags of one sort or another, but I had
imagined the search would only search the displayed text.

I have tried resetting my machine, and find that earlier versions of
NetSurf show the same problem with this page.

So I guess this means either it's a problem with that specific page, or
something on my machine is causing the problem.

> P.S. Why a new thread, or why has Pluto lost the references header.

I hadn't seen/understood the relevance of Dave's previous short posting,
and only saw the new version when I automatically downloaded it earlier
today. Also, I gleaned what it was about from the changes log and, as I saw
the progress bar was still not complete (and still isn't) I assumed that it
was a brand new version with other OS versions still being rebuilt.

So, I'm still puzzled.

John

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Re: Search Case Sensitivity - RISC OS - #3251

[John Williams]

In article <mpro.o0j6uy004nrc103mq.pit...@pittdj.co.uk>,
   David Pitt <pit...@pittdj.co.uk> wrote:

> So it does, how very wierd!

The page won't validate with w3, so I guess this was a red herring.

Apologies.

John

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Re: Ordered list problem

[John Williams]

In article <op.x9l8pa0qif396l@alansall>,
   Alan & Sally <jare...@xtra.co.nz> wrote:

> Please remove this address from your list.
> Regards,
> Sally Richardson

In the headers, if you can view them, it says:

List-Unsubscribe: 

<http://listmaster.pepperfish.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/netsurf-users-netsurf-browser.org>,
 <mailto:netsurf-users-requ...@netsurf-browser.org?subject=unsubscribe>

That http bit appears split over 3 lines, but is really all one.

That is how you "remove this address from your list"

Hope this helps, 
 
John

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Re: simple html pages slow to render

[John Rickman Iyonix]

The cheetah is back!
Thanks for fixing this problem

John

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Re: Segfault: issue 2381

[John Rickman Iyonix]

Dave Higton  wrote

> (Last time I looked, the latest was 3053.)

#3062 now

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Re: Segfault: issue 2381

[John Rickman Iyonix]

lists  wrote

> In article <68193746bbf.07b8d...@davehigton.me.uk>,
>Dave Higton <d...@davehigton.me.uk> wrote:
>> If any of you has seen NetSurf quit (the log shows a segfault)
>> when you clicked in the window, I'd recommend that you get one
>> of today's builds.  (Last time I looked, the latest was 3053.)

> Yes, I've just hit this problem. Unfortunatly none of the versions I have
> will even run. They crash out when I try to load them.

> This means I cannot get to the !NetSurf site or anywhere else.

have you got an old one eg 2.9, or 3.0, if not I can send you one.
John


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Re: Flickr

[John Rickman Iyonix]

John Williams  wrote


> It always arrives with JS on regardless of what you set it to last time.

> Why is this, and is it logical/user-transparent?  Might instances such as
> this mix-up be avoided if saved Choices actually reflected user's choices
> and set it how the user wanted it!

AIUI this is a temporary measure to help the developers find problems 
in development builds with the new javascript implementation and it 
will be put back to a persistent user option later.

John

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Flickr

[John Williams]

Attempting to view a photo of the PiTop at:

https://www.flickr.com/photos/andymarks1970/22992712162/

does not render the photo, yet it has been pointed out to me that it does
work with NetSurf 3.1, and for me here with an old 3.0.

3.3 fails to render the image, as do later development versions, but I do
not have sufficient stock of older versions to isolate when the problem
started.

If anyone does have adequate numbers of earlier versions to find out at
what development version the trouble started, I'm sure that information
would help the developers greatly!

John

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Re: Flickr

[John Rickman Iyonix]

John Williams  wrote


> Attempting to view a photo of the PiTop at:

> https://www.flickr.com/photos/andymarks1970/22992712162/

> does not render the photo, yet it has been pointed out to me that it does
> work with NetSurf 3.1, and for me here with an old 3.0.
..
> If anyone does have adequate numbers of earlier versions to find out at
> what development version the trouble started,

working with  2.9 January 2012
not working   3.0 #704December 2012


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Re: simple html pages slow to render

[John Rickman Iyonix]

David Pitt  wrote

> Vincent Sanders, on 10 Nov, wrote:

>> On Tue, Nov 10, 2015 at 08:12:18AM +, David Pitt wrote:
>>> Vincent Sanders, on 10 Nov, wrote:
>>> 
>>>> On Sat, Nov 07, 2015 at 11:35:26AM +, John Rickman Iyonix wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> The Gaydon online parish magazine is a single HTML file which
>>>>> references a common CSS file.
>>>>> 
>>>>> http://www.gaydon.org.uk/mags.html
>>>>> 
>>>>> It takes on average 31 seconds to load and display a magazine using
>>>>> NetSurf #3055 on an Iyonix. Javascript on or off makes no
>>>>> difference.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Using NetSurf 3.2 the page load is instantaneous.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Not sure if this counts as a bug but I have submitted a report to
>>>>> the tracker.
>>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> this is in the tracker as
>>>> http://bugs.netsurf-browser.org/mantis/view.php?id=2384
>>>> 
>>>> I have added a debug build of NetSurf to the tracker for this issue
>>>> only
>>>> 
>>>> if someone could download and run this development version and upload
>>>> the log of it failing that would be great. For me the issue never
>>>> occurs using my emulated RISC OS.
>>> 
>>> I have to admit to an element of failure in that I can't find that
>>> development build on the tracker.
>> 
>> I attached it to the 2384 bug report as netsurf-fetch-log.zip

> Ah, the clue is in the name.
> Anyway I have got it now and uploaded two logs.

>From the both logs this much is clear:
after a "failed: UnacceptableType" NS loops until a 30010 millisecond 
timeout.

(11.58) render/html_css.c:110 html_convert_css_callback: 
stylesheet file:///Choices:WWW/NetSurf/User failed: UnacceptableType

*** loop ***
11.58 ..c:249 fetch_dispatch_jobs: queue_ring 0, fetch_ring 1
11.58 ..c:229 dump_rings: fetch_ring: 
http://code.jquery.com/jquery-1.7.1.js
11.59 ..c:261 fetch_dispatch_jobs: Fetch ring is now 1 elements.
11.59 ..c:262 fetch_dispatch_jobs: Queue ring is now 0 elements.
11.59 ..c:272 fetcher_poll: Polling fetchers

***  repeats  until *

41.39..c:272 fetcher_poll: Polling fetchers
* Connection timed out after 30010 milliseconds

John


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Re: simple html pages slow to render

[John Rickman Iyonix]

Harriet Bazley  wrote

> On 7 Nov 2015 as I do recall,
>   John Rickman Iyonix  wrote:

>> The problem was introduced between 28/11/2014 and 6/01/2015.
>> (#2398) is fast, (#2509) is slow.
>>
>> If you have any builds between these two it would help to pin it down
>> to just a few potential culprit changes.
>>
> I've got #2489, which is almost instantaneous.

I'm guessing that is 25 December. What is the date on the !NetSurf 
folder inside #2489?

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simple html pages slow to render

[John Rickman Iyonix]

The Gaydon online parish magazine is a single HTML file which 
references a common CSS file.

http://www.gaydon.org.uk/mags.html

It takes on average 31 seconds to load and display a magazine using 
NetSurf #3055 on an Iyonix. Javascript on or off makes no difference.

Using NetSurf 3.2 the page load is instantaneous.

Not sure if this counts as a bug but I have submitted a report to the 
tracker.

John

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Re: simple html pages slow to render

[John Rickman Iyonix]

Peter Young  wrote

> Not an answer to the question as asked, but with #3048 the page loads
> in 0.2 seconds.

Apologies, it was not clear from my post that the problem was with 
links to magazines on the quoted URL and not with the URL itself

http://www.gaydon.org.uk/mags.html points to a list of magazines. This page 
loads quickly but links out of this page to a monthly magazine take a long time.
eg http://www.gaydon.org.uk/mags/mag1511.html



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Re: simple html pages slow to render

[John Rickman Iyonix]

Harriet Bazley  wrote

> On 7 Nov 2015 as I do recall,
>   David Pitt  wrote:

>> "Chris Young", on 7 Nov, wrote:
>>
>>> On Sat, 07 Nov 2015 11:35:26 GMT, John Rickman Iyonix wrote:
>>>
>>>> The Gaydon online parish magazine is a single HTML file which references
>>>> a common CSS file.
>>>>
>>>> http://www.gaydon.org.uk/mags.html
>>>>
>>>> It takes on average 31 seconds to load and display a magazine using
>>>> NetSurf #3055 on an Iyonix. Javascript on or off makes no difference.
>>>>
>>>> Using NetSurf 3.2 the page load is instantaneous.
>>>>
>>>> Not sure if this counts as a bug but I have submitted a report to the
>>>> tracker.
>>>
>>> Loading in 0.8 seconds here.  Can you attach a log to the bug report,
>>> otherwise it's unlikely the problem will be identified?
>>
>> The 31secs bit on #3055 occurs on downloading a magazine, not on downloading
>> the page above.

> Tested this on Netsurf #2817 with the same result - the issue has clearly
> been around for a bit.

The problem was introduced between 28/11/2014 and 6/01/2015.
(#2398) is fast, (#2509) is slow.

If you have any builds between these two it would help to pin it down 
to just a few potential culprit changes.



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Re: simple html pages slow to render

[John Rickman Iyonix]

Chris Young wrote

> On Sat, 07 Nov 2015 20:10:45 GMT, David Pitt wrote:

>> (20.17) content/content.c:386 content_destroy: content 0x4e5f42a0
>> file:///%3CBootDisc$Root%3E/Work/Internet/Browsers/html/favicon.png
>> 
>> (41.38) content/fetchers/curl.c:834 fetch_curl_done: done
>> http://www.gaydon.org.uk/css/pcminutes.css
>> 
>> (41.39) content/fetchers/curl.c:872 fetch_curl_done: Unknown
>> cURL response code 28

>> This is missing :-
>> 
>> http://www.gaydon.org.uk/css/pcminutes.css

> A missing file shouldn't cause a timeout though - just a response from
> the server containing error 404.

Thanks for spotting the error in my html Chris, however, As David has 
mentioned in a subsequent post, it is not the whole story.
I have removed the redundant reference and uploaded the page, but it 
still takes 31 seconds to render.
 http://www.gaydon.org.uk/mags/mag1511.html


BTW the page loads instantly in the off line version of the web pages.

John


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Re: How we can all assist NetSurf's development

[John Williams]

In article <4b9afe1155.r...@user.minijem.plus.com>,
   Richard Porter <r...@minijem.plus.com> wrote:

> The previous version I had 
> downloaded the file as DEADDEAD until complete but only used the last 
> three digits of the NS version number in the file name i.e. "2994/zip" 
> was stored as "994/zip".

That was my original version, now updated here for me, but Frank de Bruijn
asked if he could modify it, and I was quite happy with this.

I am still using my own self-modified version, but have withdrawn the
original to (I had hoped!) avoid confusion.

So use Frank's or contact me privately if you really prefer mine. I doubt
there is any serious difference.

Best wishes, 
 
John

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Re: Facebook links

[John Rickman Iyonix]

Chris Dewhurst  wrote

> Hi all,

> It used to be the case that when you clicked on links to external
> websites (e.g. when somone shares a BBC News story) it would stop at a
> blank screen and I used to have to manually edit the URL to get there.

> It seems the URL is now correctly parsed by Netsurf. I'm not sure what
> version this took effect from (I'm on Cl#2963) but I remember I
> mentioned the problem a couple of years ago.

> So many, many thanks to the Team for sorting this out! Facebook
> experience on RISC OS is getting better and better !

Jyst tried clicking on a link,  and separately logging in. In both 
cases I get the following message:-

>>  Cookies Required
>>  Cookies are not enabled on your browser.
>>  Please enable cookies in   your browser preferences to continue.

But, NetSurf menu >>Utilities>Cookies>Show cookies...
opens a window with lots of cookies.

I can't find a way to turn cookies off or on.

John

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Re: Crash with #2860

[John Williams]

In article
out-55ab811f.md-1.4.17.chris.yo...@unsatisfactorysoftware.co.uk,
   Chris Young chris.yo...@unsatisfactorysoftware.co.uk wrote:

 Actually, try 2862, that's more likely to fix it.

Won't even open a window here, like 2861.

John

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Re: !Fetch_NS

[John Williams]

In article 9f2fd6de54.pnyo...@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk,
   Peter Young pnyo...@ormail.co.uk wrote:

 If someone can tell me whether it's legal to do so, I could send him 
 my Not John William's version, which should work exactly as it does 
 here.

This is really not the place to discuss third-party software, but anyone
can do whatever they like with anything derived from my stuff!

John

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Re: Google

[John Williams]

In article 54c3467e90ris...@gotadsl.co.uk,
   Richard Ashbery ris...@gotadsl.co.uk wrote:

 I've just tried Google again with Javascript off and a search works
 normally. Anyone able to confirm?

Yes, it's fine again!

Perhaps my feedback was noted! Message-ID: 54c0f9056fjoh...@ukgateway.net

 I have used the Send feedback link on the bottom of a search page to send
 this.  I hope others will follow.

John

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Google

[John Williams]

In article 1c3b90c054.r...@user.minijem.plus.com,
   Richard Porter r...@minijem.plus.com wrote:

 I think it's absolutely essential that we have a javascript on/off 
 button on the toolbar. If javescript is off google won't work and if 
 it's on streetmap.co.uk won't work.

OK - it ain't very pretty and a bit clumsy, but it seems to work
more-or-less:

My application !JS puts an application icon on the iconbar courtesy of the
Pinboard which, if double-clicked on whilst NetSurf is loaded, will change
and reflect the status of JSon or JSoff.

It only refreshes by grace of a window being briefly drawn over it, and it
moves the pointer a bit - but it seems to do the trick.

A green icon means Javascript is active, and a red one inactive. A grey one
means you've quitted or failed to load NetSurf

On my RPi the mechanics of opening configuration windows and their
subsequent closing is visible briefly, but a lot better than having to go
through all those clicks yourself.  Perhaps less visible on a faster
machine.

It uses action files created by KeyStroke and executed by Executor to make
it work, and uses Shift/F1 and Shift/F2 as the shortcut keys - but if you
use these manually, the status is not refreshed on the iconbar - so don't!

It can be downloaded from:

http://le.petit.four.free.fr/JS.zip

Please contact me directly with any observations, or via the News Groups if
I subsequently make an announcement there, as this list is not for
discussion of third party applications.

Best wishes, 
 
John

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Re: Google

[John Williams]

In article 60f3f4c054.roger...@rogerarm.freeuk.com,
   Roger Darlington roger...@freeuk.com wrote:

 I found a writable icon and wrote what I know about their broken code 
 in it (which is nothing at all apart from what someone said on here).

I have used the Send feedback link on the bottom of a search page to send
this.  I hope others will follow.

quote
I am sending this using a browser with Javascript turned on.  If I attempt
this with Javascript turned off, Google now goes into a recursive loop.

This change occurred less than a week ago.

A NetSurf browser developer has commented:

Google have changed the non-javascript portion of their reply (the
noscript entry) to contain completely broken html that simply causes the
browser to refresh and fail to work usefully.

We cannot do anything about this in NetSurf itself and need Google to
unbreak their noscript, If you can get anyone there to listen that
would be good!

Thus I (and I hope others will follow) am drawing this to your attention.
endquote

I hope that this helps,

John

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Re: Google

[John Williams]

In article 54c08c6513li...@torrens.org.uk,
   Richard Torrens (lists) li...@torrens.org.uk wrote:

 Yesterday Google stopped working with Netsurf.

 Has anyone any cures or suggestions?

It still works if you put JS on - but, of course, that bu**ers up StreetMap.

Now more than ever we need that magic JS ON/JS OFF button people have been
asking for for yonks.

Perhaps if there was a simple handle to make NetSurf rescan its choices
(which there may well be!), a third party add-on just for RISC OS would be
possible by changing the choices file on the fly.

Or one of those record your button presses and menu items programs we
used to  have in the olden days.

Anyway, it's a pain having to do Menu, Choices, Content, Radio icon every
time you want to switch, and, as it's RISC OS-only problem, it's unlikely
to be fixed by the developers.

So, some more lateral thinking called for!

John

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Re: Hot List

[John Rickman Iyonix]

someone? wrote:

 It takes less than an hour to install the OS and get a NetSurf build
 going.

Is it feasible to do this using an RasPi? (Pi 2 Raspian)

john



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Re: JavaScript

[John Rickman Iyonix]

David Feugey  wrote

 Hi. I worked on several appliances since 2000, and I'm now switching back
 to RISC OS. As I have total control on the applications, I would like to
 try to provide client appliances for these applications.

 I know that NetSurf has only a limited support of JavaScript. But what can
 we do exactly? Do you have examples of working code? The more code I'll
 get, the more modern will be my interfaces, and the more chance I'll have
 to convince my clients :)

 Nota: I work only with web standards, but if I can narrow my choices to be
 compatible with NetSurf, why not.

 Thanks for the help, David

I did a bit of testing to see what JS was supported a while ago.
The following link shows waht I discovered.

http://rickman.orpheusweb.co.uk/testing/index.html


john




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#2654

[John Williams]

NetSurf changes page says, re #2654:

 1. Create an empty !RunImage file in RISC OS page save apps ˜ 

I have racked what few brains I have, but can see no reason for this.

Creation of a zero length dummy file of a totally inappropriate filetype
(text) and which is not even referred to in the Inventory file.

I suppose there must _be_ a reason.

John

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Re: #2654

[John Williams]

In article 20150318085030.gd29...@kyllikki.org,
   Vincent Sanders vi...@netsurf-browser.org wrote:

 Had you actually read the commit message in its entirity [1]

I have now found out how to do this for myself using the link on the
changes page.

Thank you.

John

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Re: Disc cache updates

[John Rickman Iyonix]

Harriet Bazley  wrote

 Down with categorical imperatives!

Kant only had one.

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Re: Slow page opening

[John Williams]

In article 00079b8d.01e79490a...@smtp.freeola.net,
   Peter Slegg p.sl...@scubadivers.co.uk wrote:

 This page just took about 5 mins to open. I will check to see if
 it is repeatable but it might be useful to see if other platforms
 have the same issue:

 https://www.falkemedia-shop.de/contacts/

Less than 30 sec under RISC OS

John

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Re: #2463 - Scanning fonts

[John Williams]

In article 54797458f6bbai...@argonet.co.uk,
   Brian bbai...@argonet.co.uk wrote:

 NetSurf has very recently started scanning fonts during loading. This
 hasn't happened for ages. Is this a glitch, perhaps, or revised behaviour?

Not happening here! Could something have changed in your font collection?

John

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Re: Image Link issue

[John Williams]

In article 00195d22.01ffd490d...@smtp.freeola.net,
   Peter Slegg p.sl...@scubadivers.co.uk wrote:

 Can someone confirm this with other versions ?

Same here with #2438 under RISC OS.

John

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Changes page

[John Williams]

http://ci.netsurf-browser.org/jenkins/view/All/job/netsurf/changes no
longer seems to have content.

Has the page/system moved somewhere else?

John

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RISC OS Save-as PDF file

[John Williams]

I noticed recently (from another posting) that (some) other platforms seem
to still have Save as PDF which was implemented under RISC OS and later
removed.

I was wondering about the status of this, as it seemed like a miracle at
the time.

I know we can still use the Drawfile export and print to a PDF file, but
the direct option seemed so much more elegant!

John

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Re: quick on-off for Javascript

[John Rickman Iyonix]

Jim Nagel  wrote

 Brian Jordan  wrote on 23 Oct (in thread Maps):
 Strangely I have no black background problems here with build 3.3 (Dev
 CI #2193) if JavaScript is disabled. If JS is enabled the page doesn't
 render at all.

 Leads tme to ask:  is there a quick way of switching Javascript on or
 off while viewing a given page?

 If not, could I make a UI suggestion?

 I recall way back when, when Fresco was attempting rudimentary
 Javascript (or Ecmascript), its toolbar had a button to toggle it on
 and off; the button also indicated the current state.  Often proved
 useful, in cases like Brian cites.

plus ca change?

In message 2f9bf20d53@nails.abbeypress.net Jim Nagel
  nets...@abbeypress.co.uk wrote:

  [snip]

 A wee handy-feature suggestion (if it's not a lot of
 programming effort): A Javascript on/off button on the
 toolbar.

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Re: Selecting text gone crazy

[John Rickman Iyonix]

Dave Higton  wrote

 Fred Bambrough nets...@ypical-daemon.co.uk wrote:

 John Rickman Iyonix rick...@argonet.co.uk wrote:

 #2023 when I try to select some text as soon as I click on the page
 everything from the click to the end of the article is highlit.
 This has been happening since at least #1980
 Is anyone else seeing this?
 (Iyonix RISC OS 5.21 9 July)

Same here. BB -xM RISC OS 5.21 21 July NS 1024

 I've had this sometimes, but I can't guarantee to be able to reproduce
 the symptoms.  I agree that it started to happen a few weeks ago.

In this link - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RISC_OS

clicking on the bold RISC OS at the start of the article reproduces 
the symptoms. Ie everything is selected with one click.
If you click in the body of the text there is no problem. It seems to 
be headings that go wrong. Eg the word History, Supported hardware 
RISC OS Compatible, etc after the contents list.

John

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Re: web page is blank with new vwersion on NeSurf

[John Rickman Iyonix]

John Williams  wrote

Fred Bambrough nets...@ypical-daemon.co.uk wrote:
 Ah, having seen what it's supposed to be on my Mac... yes, it's blank.

 It broke between 1932 and 1935.

Thanks to all who tested and confirmed the problem.
I will report it as a bug.


John



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web page is blank with new vwersion on NeSurf

[John Rickman Iyonix]

Since moving to #1959 the following page is blank. It should show 
three columns of text.
http://rickman.orpheusweb.co.uk/lynx/lynxweb.html

It works as expected with #1785 and all earlier versions.

Would someone please check that this problem is reproducible on a 
machine other that my Iyonix.
I have updated Boot with the Boot that came with the disc cache 
version and Java script is enabled.

John

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Re: Google hanging

[John Williams]

In article 7f015b1154.harr...@blueyonder.co.uk,
   Harriet Bazley li...@orange.wingsandbeaks.org.uk wrote:

 Is anyone else seeing this, or is it my ISP?

 (Netsurf v1932, JS disabled)

I was experiencing it yesterday with 1929/1930, JS disabled. Plusnet.

Thought it was just me!

John

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downloads always set to filetype F80

[John Rickman Iyonix]

NetSurf downloads always set filetype of F80 (XML?) and I have to 
retype to ZIP, PDF etc as appropriate.

Is this just happening on my machine?

John


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Re: downloads always set to filetype F80

[John Rickman Iyonix]

Rob Kendrick  wrote

 On Wed, Feb 26, 2014 at 08:56:41PM +, John Rickman Iyonix wrote:
 
 NetSurf downloads always set filetype of F80 (XML?) and I have to
 retype to ZIP, PDF etc as appropriate.
 
 Is this just happening on my machine?

 Always?  From everywhere?  For every file type?

From this URL - http://www.stevefryatt.org.uk/software/float/

On RISC OS RaspBerry Pi the file, float036.zip is downloaded and 
saved as float036 and given a filetype of F80.
(NS #1702)

On the Iyonix the .zip suffix is retained but the file type is still 
set to F80.
(NS #1740)

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Re: downloads always set to filetype F80

[John Rickman Iyonix]

John Rickman Iyonix  wrote

From this URL - http://www.stevefryatt.org.uk/software/float/

 On RISC OS RaspBerry Pi the file, float036.zip is downloaded and
 saved as float036 and given a filetype of F80.
 (NS #1702)

 On the Iyonix the .zip suffix is retained but the file type is still
 set to F80.
 (NS #1740)

Have just noticed that suffix retention is an option on the Interface 
choices.


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Re: MousAxess

[John-Mark Bell]

On Fri, Feb 07, 2014 at 03:19:20AM -0800, Dave Higton wrote:
 On Thu, 6 Feb 2014 17:25:34 + John-Mark Bell wrote:
 
  More generally; all issues should be reported on the issue tracker, with
  sufficient detail to describe the problem fully. Any issue which is not
  reported in this way will almost certainly not be investigated, and will
  certainly not be tracked properly, so will be forgotten.
  
  So, if you want something fixed, then report it on the issue tracker!
 
 In general, I agree with you.  However, the MousAxxess and sockets issues
 were not obviously Netsurf's fault.  Discussion on list has helped add
 information.  This discussion would have not taken place if the OP had
 done nothing more than reported to the issue tracker.
 
 Discussion having taken place, all relevant information should go into
 a report in the issue tracker.

I sense you're missing my point: if the issue is not reported in the
issue tracker, it will not cross the radar of the developers. Discuss
what you want, where you want, but the only sure way of ensuring that a
developer is aware of the issue is to report it on the issue tracker.

In fact, if you can go a step further and include a link to the relevant
discussion in the mailing list archives, that would be even better!


John-Mark.