Re: Please test the latest build
In message Michael Drake wrote: > Hello, > Please could you test the latest builds (5377 or later) from: > https://ci.netsurf-browser.org/builds/ > Particularly please test the Amiga OS4 and RISC OS builds as > we have updated the versions of 3rd party libraries that we > build against. Amiga OS4 builds have had about 3 years worth > of updates and RISC OS builds about 1.5 years. > In addition we have patched the version of libcurl we build > against which should make HTTPS connections much faster for > the RISC OS and Amiga OS4 builds. installed - seems to be more responsive John -- John Rickman ___ netsurf-users mailing list -- netsurf-users@netsurf-browser.org To unsubscribe send an email to netsurf-users-le...@netsurf-browser.org
Re: Crashing after #5252
In message <5904f95cf0petit.f...@free.fr> Petit Four wrote: > In article <25c3f20459.j...@rickman.argonet..co.uk>, >John Rickman wrote: >> is there a workaround for exporting the webpage URL? > You now have to use the menu - over page, Page > Save location, then choose > the format. > But nowhere near as convenient as the former "drag" options! Thanks John, It's the price of progress I guess, win some, lose some. Anyway, many thanks to whoever fixed the NetSurf scrolling horror. Version #5265 scrolls beautifully with the scroll wheel. John -- John Rickman ___ netsurf-users mailing list -- netsurf-users@netsurf-browser.org To unsubscribe send an email to netsurf-users-le...@netsurf-browser.org
Re: Crashing after #5252
In message <5903d8e9c5petit.f...@free.fr> Petit Four wrote: >> Please try with #5261 or later. > Great! https://www.bbc.co.uk/schedules/p00fzl7j now works again, as does > https://www.netsurf-browser.org/ - thanks! Good news - is there a workaround for exporting the webpage URL? I can't drug and drop it, there isn't a menu option that I can see and I can't seem to get the URL into the clipboard. John -- John Rickman ___ netsurf-users mailing list -- netsurf-users@netsurf-browser.org To unsubscribe send an email to netsurf-users-le...@netsurf-browser.org
Re: Dragging from URL icon
In message <980d53d858.harr...@bazleyfamily.co.uk> Harriet Bazley wrote: > On 1 Dec 2020 as I do recall, > John Rickman wrote: >> In message <58d83a9b0bstuartli...@orpheusinternet.co.uk> >> lists wrote: > [snip] >>> Copying text from a web page is fine, the problem occurs when trying to >>> copy a URL, as one might if sending a link to someone else for example. >> >> You can drag URLs directly from the address bar and drop them into the >> target area - no need for copy and paste. >> > You can't in versions later than v5220 - which is what started this > thread. The feature has disappeared. Sorry, wasn't paying attention. I am still using 3.10 #4967. Looks as if I shouldn't upgrade until the NrtSurf team have fixed it. John -- John Rickman ___ netsurf-users mailing list -- netsurf-users@netsurf-browser.org To unsubscribe send an email to netsurf-users-le...@netsurf-browser.org
Re: Dragging from URL icon
In message <58d83a9b0bstuartli...@orpheusinternet.co.uk> lists wrote: > In article <8cf133d858.tig...@bc63.orpheusinternet.co.uk>, >Nick Roberts wrote: >> I just tried that on my NetSurf #5223 and it worked fine to copy text >> from a web page into zap (except using Ctrl-Y on zap rather than >> Ctrl-V). >> I may be trying to do something different to what you meant, but if so >> your description wasn't as clear as it needs to be. > Copying text from a web page is fine, the problem occurs when trying to > copy a URL, as one might if sending a link to someone else for example. You can drag URLs directly from the address bar and drop them into the target area - no need for copy and paste. John -- John Rickman ___ netsurf-users mailing list -- netsurf-users@netsurf-browser.org To unsubscribe send an email to netsurf-users-le...@netsurf-browser.org
Re: URL crashes Netsurf
In message <b42e26e856.j...@rickman.argonet..co.uk> John Rickman <rick...@argonet.co.uk> wrote: > In message <56e81c01ccli...@torrens.org> > "Richard Torrens (lists)" <li...@torrens.org> wrote: >> This URL >> www.siemens-home.bsh-group.com/uk >> causes Netsurf to totally crash on the ARMX6 with 5.23 (18-Feb-18). >> Does it happen to anyone else? > Works for me with: > ARMX6 with 5.23 (18-Feb-18) > NetSurf 3.8 #4235 Javascript enabled -- John Rickman
Re: URL crashes Netsurf
In message <56e81c01ccli...@torrens.org> "Richard Torrens (lists)" <li...@torrens.org> wrote: > This URL > www.siemens-home.bsh-group.com/uk > causes Netsurf to totally crash on the ARMX6 with 5.23 (18-Feb-18). > Does it happen to anyone else? Works for me with: ARMX6 with 5.23 (18-Feb-18) NetSurf 3.8 #4235 John -- John Rickman
Re: date in search results
In message <56cb6af6b5...@timil.com> Tim Hill <t...@timil.com> wrote: >> In the advanced serch options Google used to have an option to search >> by a range of dates. This has been removed from the mobile a desktop >> versions. > #FakeNews. ;-) It is still on desktops. > www.google.com/advanced_search > It's the eighth parameter on that page. The parameter is still there, but The drop down list offers -> anytime past 24 hours past week past month past year The default is anytime which is heavily weighted in favour of new stuff. The option which allowed you to specify a date range has been removed. John -- John Rickman
Re: date in search results
In message <8d6444cb56@6.abbeypress.net> Jim Nagel <nets...@abbeypress.co.uk> wrote: > What causes Google (or other searchers) to display (or not display) a > DATE in search results? > If I ran the world, *every* item would show a date. So often one > wants current information, not waste time on stuff from 2001. > But sometimes historical stuff is indeed what is sought. I am not big on conspiracy theories, but here is one with a lot of personal experience to support it. Google is reluctant to return pages with old data. In the beginning Google worked by trying to answer queries. Now it uses every query as an excuse to present pages that can be monetised. Search for a line of a poem and a few years ago you would get a series of hits about the poem and the poet. Now you get a load of crap consisting of references to YouTube videos for songs with lyrics that contain fragments the searched for quote. In the advanced serch options Google used to have an option to search by a range of dates. This has been removed from the mobile a desktop versions. Who is likely to want to pay for advert to pop up on a page that was last updated a long time ago? -- John Rickman
Re: Backyard Worlds
In message <000646f6.01e9b4901...@smtp.freeola.net> Peter Slegg <p.sl...@scubadivers.co.uk> wrote: > Netsurf isn't able to open this link: > https://blog.backyardworlds.org/2018/02/14/we-love-you-and-happy-anniversary/ > It just says "Unable to fetch document" after ~20s. It opens with no problem here on ARMX6 NetSurf 3.8 #4235 John -- John Rickman
Name from NetSurf has underscores for percents
Is this a bug? If you open this link in NetSurf :- https://hu.123rf.com/photo_34178186_soil-grooves-farming-earth-soil-grooves-over-field-for-crop-planting-on-rural-countryside-farm-lands.html The webpage shows a JPEG of a ploughed field. Then if you menu>Object>Object>Save... and drag/drop the jpeg onto an application eg Artworks, ChangeFSI etc the load fails because the file name is not correct. (quoting Bernard Boase)- NetSurf has output the file name as 34178186-talaj-hornyok-mez_C5_91gazdas_C3_A1gi-earth-talaj-b ar_C3_A1zd_C3_A1k-f_C3_B6l_C3_B6tt-mez_C5_91-n_C3_B6v_C3_A9n y-_C3_BCltet_C3_A9si-a-vid_C3_A9ken-m/jpg but the underscores should be percent signs to code for letters with Hungarian diacritics in Unicode: 34178186-talaj-hornyok-mez_C5%91gazdas%C3%A1gi-earth-talaj-b ar%C3%A1zd%C3%A1k-f%C3%B6l%C3%B6tt-mez%C5%91-n%C3%B6v%C3%A9n y-%C3%BCltet%C3%A9si-a-vid%C3%A9ken-m/jpg whereupon it works into the apps. -- John Rickman
Re: history and hotlist not saved; CSS site
In article <c77953e355@abbeypress.net>, Jim Nagel <nets...@abbeypress.co.uk> wrote: > Last night I was looking for tips on how to use CSS for something on > my website Jim - you might find the links in the middle column on this page useful:- http://rickman.orpheusweb.co.uk/lynx/lynxweb.html John -- John Rickman
hijack of NetSurf Wiki
Has the NetSurf Wiki been abandoned? The link: http://wiki.netsurf-browser.org/Main_Page leads to an article "5 Ways to Make Money in Commodities". John -- John Rickman - http://rickman.orpheusweb.co.uk/lynx Foot it featly here and there And, sweet sprites, the burden bear. WS
Re: Missing images
Peter Young wrote > On 10 Mar 2016 Peter Slegg <p.sl...@scubadivers.co.uk> wrote: >> Using the recent Atari builds on this newspaper: >> http://www.express.co.uk/ >> the first few images are displayed but when I scroll down, the >> rest are missing. > The same on RISC OS, with #3434. Works ok on my Iyonix 5.23 with #3434 images displayed right down to the bottom of the page. -- John Rickman - http://rickman.orpheusweb.co.uk/lynx Nothing in this world is to be feared... only understood. Marie Curie
Re: JavaScript status indicator - request for a snippet of code
John Williams wrote
> Can anyone who understands JS provide a snippet of JS code that I can
> insert in the footer of my local HTML index page to conditionally print,
> say, "JavaScript is enabled!" as a reminder of NetSurf's current JS status.
> If anyone wants to "go the whole hog" and reflect the two possible states,
> then my local index page¹ uses PHP served by WebJames, but that is by no
> means essential and may well be over-complicated.
> I suspect that what I require is very simple/trivial and can be done in one
> line of JS.
try this:
document.write("javascript is enabled");
John
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Re: Big push on testing needed
Daniel Silverstone wrote > On Mon, Jan 25, 2016 at 20:43:19 +0000, John Rickman Iyonix wrote: >> My javascript is now working. the problem was that the new interpreter >> does not like html comments between the and tags. > Have you reported this, along with an *attached* test case, to the BTS? > If so, can you let me know the issue number? Hello Daniel, Michael Drake has reported it upstream to Duktape https://github.com/svaarala/duktape/pull/564 John -- John Rickman - http://rickman.orpheusweb.co.uk/lynx No s� nada, y no estoy seguro de �so
Re: Big push on testing needed
>Dave Higton wrote > My reference suggests that an HTML comment is /not/ a legal Javascript > comment. Perhaps you should open a discussion with the author of the > above application. I would, of course, be very interested to know the > conclusion! Dave - below is an extract from the "Ecma Standard definition of the ECMAScript 2015 Language", Assuming that that JavaScript is entirely defined by the ECMAScript standard, it seems clear that html style comments are valid. * "Annex B (normative) Additional ECMAScript Features for Web Browsers" ... B.1.3 HTML-like Comments The syntax and semantics of 11.4 is extended as follows except that this extension is not when parsing source code using the goal symbol Module: Syntax Comment :: MultiLineComment SingleLineComment SingleLineHTMLOpenComment SingleLineHTMLCloseComment SingleLineDelimitedComment MultiLineComment :: /* FirstCommentLineopt LineTerminator MultiLineCommentCharsopt */ HTMLCloseCommentopt FirstCommentLine :: SingleLineDelimitedCommentChars SingleLineHTMLOpenComment :: SingleLineCommentCharsopt SingleLineDelimitedCommentChars :: SingleLineNotAsteriskChar SingleLineDelimitedCommentCharsopt * SingleLinePostAsteriskCommentCharsopt SingleLineNotAsteriskChar :: SourceCharacter but not one of * or LineTerminator SingleLinePostAsteriskCommentChars :: SingleLineNotForwardSlashOrAsteriskChar SingleLineDelimitedCommentCharsopt * SingleLinePostAsteriskCommentCharsopt SingleLineNotForwardSlashOrAsteriskChar :: SourceCharacter but not one of / or * or LineTerminator WhiteSpaceSequence :: WhiteSpace WhiteSpaceSequenceopt SingleLineDelimitedCommentSequence :: SingleLineDelimitedComment WhiteSpaceSequenceopt SingleLineDelimitedCommentSequenceopt Copyright Ecma International 2015 page 523 * --
Re: Big push on testing needed
Dave Higton wrote > In message <57e4a64755.iyoj...@rickman.argonet.co.uk> > John Rickman Iyonix <rick...@argonet.co.uk> wrote: >>As far as I know javascript should ignore html comments and the >>javascript validator does not flag them as errors >> >> http://www.javascriptlint.com/online_lint.php > My reference suggests that an HTML comment is /not/ a legal Javascript > comment. Perhaps you should open a discussion with the author of the > above application. I would, of course, be very interested to know the > conclusion! It doesn't really matter now as I have changed all the comments to "proper" JavaScript style. I don't remember where I got the idea that html style was acceptable in JS, but the article in this link says they are ok:- http://www.javascripter.net/faq/comments.htm I will investigate further. John -- John Rickman - http://rickman.orpheusweb.co.uk/lynx
Re: Big push on testing needed
Dave Higton wrote >> I am happy to download every day, or whenever a new version is >> available. >> Is there any information available about the current state of >> javascript? > That's impossible to answer in any way that is both simple and > meaningful. > The Javascript interpreter was replaced with a different one > a few months ago. The decision was taken not to make a new > stable release of NS until all the Javascript features of the > previous interpreter are present again. However, some other > JS features are also present. > The JS implementation is still far from complete, though. If > you need a RISC OS browser with complete (-ish) Javascript at > the moment, you'll have to use Otter or QupZilla, and put up > with the slower speeds. > To look at your question from a different angle: is there a > particular Javascript feature that you need? Hello Dave, thanks for the information. It is sufficient for my purpose. When the JS interepreter was changed all of my JS example code stopped working. I believed, mistakenly it turns out, that the JS support in NetSurf was a sort of place holder. I have been waiting for some sort of announcment that it had been re-implemented. I have now looked more closely at my code and believe I have found the problem. This link which contains various javascript examples used to work in NetSurf and now does not. The fact that it works on other browsers led me to believe that NetSurf was at fault:- http://rickman.orpheusweb.co.uk/testing/test5.html I have now traced the problem to an error in my code. I need to fix the problem and try again. John -- John Rickman - http://rickman.orpheusweb.co.uk/lynx it transcends plausibility, it's a fact. david mercer
Re: Big push on testing needed
John Rickman Iyonix wrote
>http://rickman.orpheusweb.co.uk/testing/test5.html
> I have now traced the problem to an error in my code. I need to fix
> the problem and try again.
My javascript is now working. the problem was that the new interpreter
does not like html comments between the and tags.
Bakehouse-Cyber
<!-- here is some javascript -->
document.write("hello world");
As far as I know javascript should ignore html comments and the
javascript validator does not flag them as errors
http://www.javascriptlint.com/online_lint.php
John
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Re: Big push on testing needed
Dave Higton wrote > Big news... > Current test (CI) builds are now release candidates. Yes, a new > release of NetSurf is imminent. > Please, everybody, download the latest test build (which will, > of course, change as bugs are found and fixed), give it a good > thrashing, and get your bug reports in. > Please also note that, since it's now close to release time, the > Javascript setting in Choices->Content is obeyed (and has been > for a couple of days or so now). I am happy to download every day, or whenever a new version is available. Is there any information available about the current state of javascript? John -- John Rickman - http://rickman.orpheusweb.co.uk/lynx Infinity is Sad. God is infinite. God is very sad.
Re: simple html pages slow to render
The cheetah is back! Thanks for fixing this problem John -- John Rickman - http://rickman.orpheusweb.co.uk/lynx No sé nada, y no estoy seguro de éso
Re: Segfault: issue 2381
Dave Higton wrote > (Last time I looked, the latest was 3053.) #3062 now -- John Rickman -
Re: Segfault: issue 2381
lists wrote > In article <68193746bbf.07b8d...@davehigton.me.uk>, >Dave Higton <d...@davehigton.me.uk> wrote: >> If any of you has seen NetSurf quit (the log shows a segfault) >> when you clicked in the window, I'd recommend that you get one >> of today's builds. (Last time I looked, the latest was 3053.) > Yes, I've just hit this problem. Unfortunatly none of the versions I have > will even run. They crash out when I try to load them. > This means I cannot get to the !NetSurf site or anywhere else. have you got an old one eg 2.9, or 3.0, if not I can send you one. John -- John Rickman - http://rickman.orpheusweb.co.uk/lynx Ein nasser Vogel fliegt nicht bei Nacht - Das ist der Sinn des Lebens.
Re: Flickr
John Williams wrote > It always arrives with JS on regardless of what you set it to last time. > Why is this, and is it logical/user-transparent? Might instances such as > this mix-up be avoided if saved Choices actually reflected user's choices > and set it how the user wanted it! AIUI this is a temporary measure to help the developers find problems in development builds with the new javascript implementation and it will be put back to a persistent user option later. John -- John Rickman - http://rickman.orpheusweb.co.uk/lynx The camel driver has his thoughts, the camel he has his. EGLR
Re: Flickr
John Williams wrote > Attempting to view a photo of the PiTop at: > https://www.flickr.com/photos/andymarks1970/22992712162/ > does not render the photo, yet it has been pointed out to me that it does > work with NetSurf 3.1, and for me here with an old 3.0. .. > If anyone does have adequate numbers of earlier versions to find out at > what development version the trouble started, working with 2.9 January 2012 not working 3.0 #704December 2012 -- John Rickman - http://rickman.orpheusweb.co.uk/lynx "Wovon man nicht sprechen kann, darueber muss man schweigen."
Re: simple html pages slow to render
David Pitt wrote > Vincent Sanders, on 10 Nov, wrote: >> On Tue, Nov 10, 2015 at 08:12:18AM +, David Pitt wrote: >>> Vincent Sanders, on 10 Nov, wrote: >>> >>>> On Sat, Nov 07, 2015 at 11:35:26AM +, John Rickman Iyonix wrote: >>>>> >>>>> The Gaydon online parish magazine is a single HTML file which >>>>> references a common CSS file. >>>>> >>>>> http://www.gaydon.org.uk/mags.html >>>>> >>>>> It takes on average 31 seconds to load and display a magazine using >>>>> NetSurf #3055 on an Iyonix. Javascript on or off makes no >>>>> difference. >>>>> >>>>> Using NetSurf 3.2 the page load is instantaneous. >>>>> >>>>> Not sure if this counts as a bug but I have submitted a report to >>>>> the tracker. >>>>> >>>> >>>> this is in the tracker as >>>> http://bugs.netsurf-browser.org/mantis/view.php?id=2384 >>>> >>>> I have added a debug build of NetSurf to the tracker for this issue >>>> only >>>> >>>> if someone could download and run this development version and upload >>>> the log of it failing that would be great. For me the issue never >>>> occurs using my emulated RISC OS. >>> >>> I have to admit to an element of failure in that I can't find that >>> development build on the tracker. >> >> I attached it to the 2384 bug report as netsurf-fetch-log.zip > Ah, the clue is in the name. > Anyway I have got it now and uploaded two logs. >From the both logs this much is clear: after a "failed: UnacceptableType" NS loops until a 30010 millisecond timeout. (11.58) render/html_css.c:110 html_convert_css_callback: stylesheet file:///Choices:WWW/NetSurf/User failed: UnacceptableType *** loop *** 11.58 ..c:249 fetch_dispatch_jobs: queue_ring 0, fetch_ring 1 11.58 ..c:229 dump_rings: fetch_ring: http://code.jquery.com/jquery-1.7.1.js 11.59 ..c:261 fetch_dispatch_jobs: Fetch ring is now 1 elements. 11.59 ..c:262 fetch_dispatch_jobs: Queue ring is now 0 elements. 11.59 ..c:272 fetcher_poll: Polling fetchers *** repeats until * 41.39..c:272 fetcher_poll: Polling fetchers * Connection timed out after 30010 milliseconds John -- John Rickman - http://rickman.orpheusweb.co.uk/lynx Ein nasser Vogel fliegt nicht bei Nacht - Das ist der Sinn des Lebens.
Re: simple html pages slow to render
Harriet Bazley wrote > On 7 Nov 2015 as I do recall, > John Rickman Iyonix wrote: >> The problem was introduced between 28/11/2014 and 6/01/2015. >> (#2398) is fast, (#2509) is slow. >> >> If you have any builds between these two it would help to pin it down >> to just a few potential culprit changes. >> > I've got #2489, which is almost instantaneous. I'm guessing that is 25 December. What is the date on the !NetSurf folder inside #2489? -- John Rickman - http://rickman.orpheusweb.co.uk/lynx No sé nada, y no estoy seguro de éso
simple html pages slow to render
The Gaydon online parish magazine is a single HTML file which references a common CSS file. http://www.gaydon.org.uk/mags.html It takes on average 31 seconds to load and display a magazine using NetSurf #3055 on an Iyonix. Javascript on or off makes no difference. Using NetSurf 3.2 the page load is instantaneous. Not sure if this counts as a bug but I have submitted a report to the tracker. John -- John Rickman - http://rickman.orpheusweb.co.uk/lynx
Re: simple html pages slow to render
Peter Young wrote > Not an answer to the question as asked, but with #3048 the page loads > in 0.2 seconds. Apologies, it was not clear from my post that the problem was with links to magazines on the quoted URL and not with the URL itself http://www.gaydon.org.uk/mags.html points to a list of magazines. This page loads quickly but links out of this page to a monthly magazine take a long time. eg http://www.gaydon.org.uk/mags/mag1511.html -- John Rickman - http://rickman.orpheusweb.co.uk/lynx Tout a été dit, mais comme personne n'écoute, il faut toujours répéter.
Re: simple html pages slow to render
Harriet Bazley wrote > On 7 Nov 2015 as I do recall, > David Pitt wrote: >> "Chris Young", on 7 Nov, wrote: >> >>> On Sat, 07 Nov 2015 11:35:26 GMT, John Rickman Iyonix wrote: >>> >>>> The Gaydon online parish magazine is a single HTML file which references >>>> a common CSS file. >>>> >>>> http://www.gaydon.org.uk/mags.html >>>> >>>> It takes on average 31 seconds to load and display a magazine using >>>> NetSurf #3055 on an Iyonix. Javascript on or off makes no difference. >>>> >>>> Using NetSurf 3.2 the page load is instantaneous. >>>> >>>> Not sure if this counts as a bug but I have submitted a report to the >>>> tracker. >>> >>> Loading in 0.8 seconds here. Can you attach a log to the bug report, >>> otherwise it's unlikely the problem will be identified? >> >> The 31secs bit on #3055 occurs on downloading a magazine, not on downloading >> the page above. > Tested this on Netsurf #2817 with the same result - the issue has clearly > been around for a bit. The problem was introduced between 28/11/2014 and 6/01/2015. (#2398) is fast, (#2509) is slow. If you have any builds between these two it would help to pin it down to just a few potential culprit changes. -- John Rickman - http://rickman.orpheusweb.co.uk/lynx Foot it featly here and there And, sweet sprites, the burden bear. WS
Re: simple html pages slow to render
Chris Young wrote > On Sat, 07 Nov 2015 20:10:45 GMT, David Pitt wrote: >> (20.17) content/content.c:386 content_destroy: content 0x4e5f42a0 >> file:///%3CBootDisc$Root%3E/Work/Internet/Browsers/html/favicon.png >> >> (41.38) content/fetchers/curl.c:834 fetch_curl_done: done >> http://www.gaydon.org.uk/css/pcminutes.css >> >> (41.39) content/fetchers/curl.c:872 fetch_curl_done: Unknown >> cURL response code 28 >> This is missing :- >> >> http://www.gaydon.org.uk/css/pcminutes.css > A missing file shouldn't cause a timeout though - just a response from > the server containing error 404. Thanks for spotting the error in my html Chris, however, As David has mentioned in a subsequent post, it is not the whole story. I have removed the redundant reference and uploaded the page, but it still takes 31 seconds to render. http://www.gaydon.org.uk/mags/mag1511.html BTW the page loads instantly in the off line version of the web pages. John --
Re: Facebook links
Chris Dewhurst wrote > Hi all, > It used to be the case that when you clicked on links to external > websites (e.g. when somone shares a BBC News story) it would stop at a > blank screen and I used to have to manually edit the URL to get there. > It seems the URL is now correctly parsed by Netsurf. I'm not sure what > version this took effect from (I'm on Cl#2963) but I remember I > mentioned the problem a couple of years ago. > So many, many thanks to the Team for sorting this out! Facebook > experience on RISC OS is getting better and better ! Jyst tried clicking on a link, and separately logging in. In both cases I get the following message:- >> Cookies Required >> Cookies are not enabled on your browser. >> Please enable cookies in your browser preferences to continue. But, NetSurf menu >>Utilities>Cookies>Show cookies... opens a window with lots of cookies. I can't find a way to turn cookies off or on. John -- John Rickman - http://rickman.orpheusweb.co.uk/lynx siempre luchar contra el zeitgeist
Re: Hot List
someone? wrote: It takes less than an hour to install the OS and get a NetSurf build going. Is it feasible to do this using an RasPi? (Pi 2 Raspian) john -- John Rickman - http://rickman.orpheusweb.co.uk/lynx If you are doing what you want you are not wasting your time, but you may be wasting someone else's. jr
Re: JavaScript
David Feugey wrote Hi. I worked on several appliances since 2000, and I'm now switching back to RISC OS. As I have total control on the applications, I would like to try to provide client appliances for these applications. I know that NetSurf has only a limited support of JavaScript. But what can we do exactly? Do you have examples of working code? The more code I'll get, the more modern will be my interfaces, and the more chance I'll have to convince my clients :) Nota: I work only with web standards, but if I can narrow my choices to be compatible with NetSurf, why not. Thanks for the help, David I did a bit of testing to see what JS was supported a while ago. The following link shows waht I discovered. http://rickman.orpheusweb.co.uk/testing/index.html john -- John Rickman - http://rickman.orpheusweb.co.uk/lynx I could have been someone - SMcG
Re: Disc cache updates
Harriet Bazley wrote Down with categorical imperatives! Kant only had one. -- John Rickman - http://rickman.orpheusweb.co.uk/lynx siempre luchar contra el zeitgeist
Re: quick on-off for Javascript
Jim Nagel wrote Brian Jordan wrote on 23 Oct (in thread Maps): Strangely I have no black background problems here with build 3.3 (Dev CI #2193) if JavaScript is disabled. If JS is enabled the page doesn't render at all. Leads tme to ask: is there a quick way of switching Javascript on or off while viewing a given page? If not, could I make a UI suggestion? I recall way back when, when Fresco was attempting rudimentary Javascript (or Ecmascript), its toolbar had a button to toggle it on and off; the button also indicated the current state. Often proved useful, in cases like Brian cites. plus ca change? In message 2f9bf20d53@nails.abbeypress.net Jim Nagel nets...@abbeypress.co.uk wrote: [snip] A wee handy-feature suggestion (if it's not a lot of programming effort): A Javascript on/off button on the toolbar. -- John Rickman - http://rickman.orpheusweb.co.uk/lynx Politics is the art of the possible, the attainable the art of the next best - OvB
Re: Selecting text gone crazy
Dave Higton wrote Fred Bambrough nets...@ypical-daemon.co.uk wrote: John Rickman Iyonix rick...@argonet.co.uk wrote: #2023 when I try to select some text as soon as I click on the page everything from the click to the end of the article is highlit. This has been happening since at least #1980 Is anyone else seeing this? (Iyonix RISC OS 5.21 9 July) Same here. BB -xM RISC OS 5.21 21 July NS 1024 I've had this sometimes, but I can't guarantee to be able to reproduce the symptoms. I agree that it started to happen a few weeks ago. In this link - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RISC_OS clicking on the bold RISC OS at the start of the article reproduces the symptoms. Ie everything is selected with one click. If you click in the body of the text there is no problem. It seems to be headings that go wrong. Eg the word History, Supported hardware RISC OS Compatible, etc after the contents list. John -- John Rickman - http://rickman.orpheusweb.co.uk/lynx For ye have the poor always with you; but me ye have not always.
Re: web page is blank with new vwersion on NeSurf
John Williams wrote Fred Bambrough nets...@ypical-daemon.co.uk wrote: Ah, having seen what it's supposed to be on my Mac... yes, it's blank. It broke between 1932 and 1935. Thanks to all who tested and confirmed the problem. I will report it as a bug. John -- John Rickman - http://rickman.orpheusweb.co.uk/lynx No sé nada, y no estoy seguro de éso
web page is blank with new vwersion on NeSurf
Since moving to #1959 the following page is blank. It should show three columns of text. http://rickman.orpheusweb.co.uk/lynx/lynxweb.html It works as expected with #1785 and all earlier versions. Would someone please check that this problem is reproducible on a machine other that my Iyonix. I have updated Boot with the Boot that came with the disc cache version and Java script is enabled. John -- John Rickman - http://rickman.orpheusweb.co.uk/lynx
downloads always set to filetype F80
NetSurf downloads always set filetype of F80 (XML?) and I have to retype to ZIP, PDF etc as appropriate. Is this just happening on my machine? John -- John Rickman - http://rickman.orpheusweb.co.uk/lynx John Rickman - http://www.gaydon.org.uk/
Re: downloads always set to filetype F80
Rob Kendrick wrote On Wed, Feb 26, 2014 at 08:56:41PM +, John Rickman Iyonix wrote: NetSurf downloads always set filetype of F80 (XML?) and I have to retype to ZIP, PDF etc as appropriate. Is this just happening on my machine? Always? From everywhere? For every file type? From this URL - http://www.stevefryatt.org.uk/software/float/ On RISC OS RaspBerry Pi the file, float036.zip is downloaded and saved as float036 and given a filetype of F80. (NS #1702) On the Iyonix the .zip suffix is retained but the file type is still set to F80. (NS #1740) -- John Rickman - http://rickman.orpheusweb.co.uk/lynx
Re: downloads always set to filetype F80
John Rickman Iyonix wrote From this URL - http://www.stevefryatt.org.uk/software/float/ On RISC OS RaspBerry Pi the file, float036.zip is downloaded and saved as float036 and given a filetype of F80. (NS #1702) On the Iyonix the .zip suffix is retained but the file type is still set to F80. (NS #1740) Have just noticed that suffix retention is an option on the Interface choices. -- John Rickman - http://rickman.orpheusweb.co.uk/lynx Poetry is a MUG's game - TS Eliot
Re: NetSurf friendly alternative to GoogleGroups?
Martin Bazley wrote The following bytes were arranged on 16 Nov 2013 by Gavin Wraith : Is there a NetSurf friendly alternative to GoogleGroups? http://newsgroups.derkeiler.com/ Thanks for that. I have added it to my hotlist. -- John Rickman - http://rickman.orpheusweb.co.uk/lynx Tout a été dit, mais comme personne n'écoute, il faut toujours répéter.
Re: Invisible JPEG (OT)
lists wrote I get a very large image of a guitar (#1292). Yes, it's of the make and model that I own. I was sending the link to a friend who didn't even know 12-string guitars existed. Nice guitar. -- John Rickman - http://rickman.orpheusweb.co.uk/lynx Infinity is Sad. God is infinite. God is very sad.
Re: NS 3.1 json Dev C1#1171 - 2 problems
Roger Darlington wrote I can check checkboxes written in java, but nothing happens if I click on the 'Search Using Checkboxes' icon (nor on the [RESET] icon. Support for mouse events eg mouseover, on select etc are not implemented yet. Your page uses the jquery library. This, along with some other popular js libraries, is not yet supported. I discussed both these features with the NS team at Wakefield. They said they were working on it but it was a huge amount of work with a lot of dependencies John -- John Rickman - http://rickman.orpheusweb.co.uk/lynx
Re: copy and paste urls from webpage
Tony Moore wrote On 26 Mar 2013, Richard Porter r...@minijem.plus.com wrote: On 26 Mar 2013 John Rickman Iyonix wrote: Is there an easy way to select an url on a webpage in order to get it into the clipboard? No. I use Object Link Save Text and drag to !Edit on the icon bar, then copy from there or save the file to where I want it. Shift-adjust-click on a link allows its URL to be saved where you will. Thanks Tony - that is just what I was looking for! John -- John Rickman - http://rickman.orpheusweb.co.uk/lynx Wovon man nicht sprechen kann, darueber muss man schweigen.
Re: Find !Fetch_NS
Brian Jordan wrote But a good day happens about one in three. More common is that it forces NS to quit, deletes the current NS then fails to find the new one. So I have to complete the job manually. Try having your de-archiving program (SparkFS or whatever) loaded and on the icon bar before you run FetchNS. This improved the success rate to 100% here (admittedly on a sample of only 3 downloads) after having exactly the problem you describe; I imagine something in FetchNS times out while waiting for the archive to be opened. Thanks - that appears to be the solution - with a sample size of one:-) -- John Rickman - http://rickman.orpheusweb.co.uk/lynx
Mailing list archives
Is there anyway to search the NetSurf mailing list archives:- http://vlists.pepperfish.net/pipermail/netsurf-users-netsurf-browser.org/ I am trying to find a thread that occurred sometime 2009-2010 and am opening each month at a time. It is a bit slow. -- John Rickman - http://rickman.orpheusweb.co.uk/lynx
Re: Mailing list archives
Vince M Hudd wrote John Rickman Iyonix rick...@argonet.co.uk wrote: Is there anyway to search the NetSurf mailing list archives:- http://vlists.pepperfish.net/pipermail/netsurf-users-netsurf-browser.org/ I am trying to find a thread that occurred sometime 2009-2010 and am opening each month at a time. It is a bit slow. Use Google, but add the following to your search term: site:vlists.pepperfish.net/pipermail/netsurf-users-netsurf-browser.org/ Thanks Vince - I should have thought of that:-) -- John Rickman - http://rickman.orpheusweb.co.uk/lynx Wovon man nicht sprechen kann, darueber muss man schweigen.
favicon confusion
I am trying to find the best strategy for getting a favicon to appear on various web sites that I maintain. The problem is that every browser seems to have its own way of handling them. Some time ago all you had to do was put a file called favicon.ico into the root directory of the web page and it was picked up and displayed in the url bar of most browsers. This does not work for all browsers now, and furthermore different browsers display the favicon in different places. Firefox for example shows them in the shortcuts page. For NetSurf I use link rel=icon href=../img/favicon.png / in the head section. But to get this on every page means having to put the code into hundreds of html files. As an aside, Google uses a meta tag for its G favicon but I can't find any authoritive documentation for this. It is all very confusing. Is there anyone here who could clarify this area of web development for me? John -- John Rickman - http://rickman.orpheusweb.co.uk/lynx it transcends plausibility, it's a fact. david mercer
Re: favicon confusion
John Rickman Iyonix wrote FWIW on my web site I have favicon.ico in the root directory, and Netsurf displays it to the left of the address bar. This is using a recent development version of Netsurf - which version are you on? This does not seem to work for me on NetSurf. I am using #962 from yesterday so something else is going on. Mystery solved - I develop my web pages offline using relative reerences to files. NetSurf behaves differently in this mode with files and does not pick up the common favicon. It behaves the same as you describe when accessing pages from the web server. John -- John Rickman - http://rickman.orpheusweb.co.uk/lynx Infinity is Sad. God is infinite. God is very sad.
#956 fixes back button and history bug
I would like to thank Michael Drake for his prompt fix to the bug with the history list. -- John Rickman - http://rickman.orpheusweb.co.uk/lynx Ein nasser Vogel fliegt nicht bei Nacht - Das ist der Sinn des Lebens.
Re: Failure to follow on-page links
Richard Porter wrote On 26 Feb 2013 John Rickman Iyonix wrote: I suspect that NS can't cope with local links in a scrolling pane with absolute positionning in CSS. NS does not do absolute positioning. Yes of course it does. The frames are located by absolute positioning, not tables. The page layout is OK but NS won't jump to on-page name anchors within the scrolling text. Sorry I thought you were referring to to CSS fixed positioning. I needed to fix the position of a section of a web page when it was scrolled and discovered that fixed positioning was not yet implemented. John -- John Rickman - http://rickman.orpheusweb.co.uk/lynx For ye have the poor always with you; but me ye have not always.
Re: Failure to follow on-page links
Richard Porter wrote On this page and similar ones on the site http://www.rdtev.de/aktuelles.html the navigation links on the left work fine but the on-page links in the lower right hand pane (which scrolls) do not work. The layout is defined in the css file. There is no javascript. If you click on a local link NS does a bit of processing but leaves the page unchanged. There are name tags with both name and ID specified. I suspect that NS can't cope with local links in a scrolling pane with absolute positionning in CSS. NS does not do absolute positioning. -- John Rickman - http://rickman.orpheusweb.co.uk/lynx Encouraged by superficial notions of evolution, Which becomes, in the popular mind, a means of disowning the past.
Re: Failure to follow on-page links
Graham Pickles wrote In message ff7a292453.iyoj...@rickman.argonet.co.uk John Rickman Iyonix rick...@argonet.co.uk wrote: Richard Porter wrote On this page and similar ones on the site http://www.rdtev.de/aktuelles.html the navigation links on the left work fine but the on-page links in the lower right hand pane (which scrolls) do not work. The layout is defined in the css file. There is no javascript. If you click on a local link NS does a bit of processing but leaves the page unchanged. There are name tags with both name and ID specified. I suspect that NS can't cope with local links in a scrolling pane with absolute positionning in CSS. NS does not do absolute positioning. Yet ? or Never ? from the progress page on the NetSurf website :- CSS properties Title StatusNotes ... positionIn progress Fixed position not implemented. John --
Re: rendering of Wikipedia page
Jim Nagel wrote I've wondered for a long time what it is about Wikipedia's layout (or something) that makes its pages so slow to render in Netsurf, compared to the time to render the same page in Firefox or Chrome. (Netsurf #891 here at the moment, but the wondering goes back a lot further; running on RiscPC or Iyonix. Firefox or Chrome on XP.) This isn't a criticism, just a curious Q about technicalities involved. Are there any pages in particular that are slow? Wikipedia pages on my Iyonix typically take 2 to 3 seconds to load and render which is quick enough. John -- John Rickman - http://rickman.orpheusweb.co.uk/lynx John Rickman - http://mug.riscos.org/
Re: viewing CSS
Rob Kendrick wrote On Mon, Feb 18, 2013 at 10:23:46AM +, Tim Hill wrote: It would be useful if NetSurf had a View CSS.. menu option, but I have no idea how much work this would involve. More than very occasional use by a very few of us would warrant, I imagine. Given a web page can have basically as many CSS files as it likes, arranged in a tree of dependencies that import one and other, how would these even work? Parse all the documents and emit a single CSS document that represented NetSurf's understanding? Firefox and Chromium offer CSS and JavaScript viewing via Add-ons or Plug-ins. Chromium (Web Developer) lists the files one after another. Firebug does the same under the HTML tab. It also has a CSS tab which purports to show the CSS that it is using. You would expect this to show the combination of all loaded style sheets but it seems to show the FIRST one only -surely shome mishtake! Sounds like a lot of work for an occasional convenience :) I am not going to argue with a developer:) -- John Rickman - http://rickman.orpheusweb.co.uk/lynx Tout a été dit, mais comme personne n'écoute, il faut toujours répéter.
NetSurf html events
Are any of the html mouse events working in NetSurf? eg click, mouseover, mouseout, mousemove. The final item on the page for the link below, mouse event tests works on Firefox but not on NestSurf. http://rickman.orpheusweb.co.uk/testing/index.html Is there any more detailed documentation to say what is implemented apart from this? http://www.netsurf-browser.org/documentation/progress -- John Rickman
Re: Ctrl-arrow keys confused
Jim Nagel wrote In Netsurf #891 and #616, and in 2.9 (on both Ro 5.18 and 4.39) -- Ctrl-up works as expected Ctrl-down does nothing Ctrl-left takes you all the way RIGHT Ctrl-right takes you all the way LEFT It is the same in Netsurf #898 john -- John Rickman - http://rickman.orpheusweb.co.uk/lynx For ye have the poor always with you; but me ye have not always.
new clipboard niggle
Clicking on the body text in NetSurf no longer gives the window focus. Pressing F8 gives the message Clipboard is empty instead of loading the source. Clicking on the title bar does not give focus either. You have to click in the URL area to get focus. I am not sure if this is a bug or it is working as intended in any case it is a change of behaviour from NetSurf 2.9 John -- John Rickman - http://rickman.orpheusweb.co.uk/lynx Encouraged by superficial notions of evolution, Which becomes, in the popular mind, a means of disowning the past.
Re: new clipboard niggle
Michael Drake wrote In article 45d38f1d53.iyoj...@rickman.argonet.co.uk, John Rickman Iyonix rick...@argonet.co.uk wrote: Clicking on the body text in NetSurf no longer gives the window focus. Should be fixed in CI build #890. Thanks Pressing F8 gives the message Clipboard is empty instead of loading the source. I can't reproduce this. It is related to the clicking on body text above. The message comes from StrongED, not NS. I got used to clicking the NS window then pressing F8. As in my current version this does not give focus, StrogED responds even though the pointer is over the NS window. With the fix mentioned above the problem goes away. -- John Rickman - http://rickman.orpheusweb.co.uk/lynx Tout a été dit, mais comme personne n'écoute, il faut toujours répéter.
Re: New textareas and text inputs
Michael Drake wrote In article 531d105167cvj...@waitrose.com, Chris Newman cvj...@waitrose.com wrote: In article 531ce7d6b0t...@netsurf-browser.org, Michael Drake t...@netsurf-browser.org wrote: More new features: - Double click in a textarea selects a word. - Triple click in a textarea selects a paragraph. Not working here on either RiscPC 700 Strong Arm Adjust 4.39 with Unipod or Virtual Acorn SA 4.02 on Windows XP laptop. I can selct drag to highlight text then manipulate the selection, which works much better than before. Maybe it's something to do with what you allude to in your next paragraph but being a bear of little brain that's beyond me. Strange. Anyone else got this problem, or got it working? It works now for me in #885 but did not work on the prior version. -- John Rickman - http://rickman.orpheusweb.co.uk/lynx For ye have the poor always with you; but me ye have not always.
Re: Clipboard not working #824
Martin Bazley wrote The following bytes were arranged on 21 Jan 2013 by John Rickman Iyonix : However, I have just downloaded the postings for Jan 2013 but cannot read them. They are in an archive file - called 2013-January/txt/gz My copy of SparkFS wont unpack it and my copy of SparkPlug claims to be SparkFS when it is run. Any ideas? Is this not sufficient? http://vlists.pepperfish.net/pipermail/netsurf-dev-netsurf-browser.org /2013-January/thread.html Yes thanks Martin. I overlooked the obvious and went to the last item in the row - the archive. -- John Rickman - http://rickman.orpheusweb.co.uk/lynx
Clipboard not working #824
There appears to be a problem with the clipboard in 3.0 #824. Within a NetSurf window ctrl-c and ctrl-v work as normal but anything put on the clipboard from outside the NS window does not get inserted into writable icons using ctrl-v. The Clipboard works properly in 2.9 john -- John Rickman - http://mug.riscos.org/ Encouraged by superficial notions of evolution, Which becomes, in the popular mind, a means of disowning the past.
Re: Clipboard not working #824
Steve Fryatt wrote On 21 Jan, John-Mark Bell wrote in message 1358761082.31757.14.camel@duiker: On Mon, 2013-01-21 at 09:35 +, John Rickman Iyonix wrote: There appears to be a problem with the clipboard in 3.0 #824. Within a NetSurf window ctrl-c and ctrl-v work as normal but anything put on the clipboard from outside the NS window does not get inserted into writable icons using ctrl-v. Yes; the way the clipboard is handled internally has changed, and it's waiting for the RISC OS frontend to be updated to cope. For those not reading the Dev list, I've said that I'll look into this when I get five minutes -- although that may not now be for a few weeks. Thanks Steve - I have just subscribed to the Dev list - it should prevent me wasting developer time replying to queries on this list that are already covered. However, I have just downloaded the postings for Jan 2013 but cannot read them. They are in an archive file - called 2013-January/txt/gz My copy of SparkFS wont unpack it and my copy of SparkPlug claims to be SparkFS when it is run. Any ideas? -- John Rickman - http://mug.riscos.org/ You are not the same people who left that station Or who will arrive at any terminus
Re: Scroll wheel speed
Richard Porter wrote On most applications, including messenger Pro, the speed of the pointer in relation to the scroll wheel on the mouse is just about right, but on NetSurf it is much too fast so it's almost impossible to use on long web pages. Is there any way to adjust the scroll wheel speed for NetSurf independently of the global settings? Mouse movement itself is OK. RiscPC, OS 6.14, NS #822 Are you using HID? NetSurf scroll speed on Iyonix is fine with it. -- John Rickman - http://mug.riscos.org/
Re: Scroll wheel speed
Richard Porter wrote Are you using HID? NetSurf scroll speed on Iyonix is fine with it. HID? Sorry that doesn't mean anything to me apart from 'high intensity discharge'. I bought it from RComp some years ago for 15 pounds here is an extract from the helptext:- ... !HID is the front-end for a number of modules that provide low-level support for USB devices in the HID Class (HID - Human Interface Devices). The HID Class consists of many input devices, such as keyboards, mice, touch tablets, barcode scanners, joysticks, etc. At the core of this application is the USBHID module that services all HID Class devices directly. It takes away control from the standard USB driver and implements many new features. Some additional modules are provided which will greatly enhance the functionality of the USB sub system. The WimpKey module allows complex actions to be linked to the special keys found on most modern USB keyboards. As most wireless keyboards don't have status LEDs (they would exhaust the battery), a new module, called KeyLEDs is supplied which will add three LEDs to the iconbar. The module WimpScroll allows you to use a wheel mouse to scroll the window under the pointer. Additionally any extra mouse buttons and scroll wheels on some keyboards may be used as well. -- John Rickman - http://mug.riscos.org/ Encouraged by superficial notions of evolution, Which becomes, in the popular mind, a means of disowning the past.
Re: Javascript and Fonts
Peter Young wrote Looks more complete on linux raspberry Pi Chromium Chromium browser. On RISC OS the accented characters appear as hex couplets. It's all Greek here (and Greek to me!) on an ARMini, RISC OS 5.19. Perhaps you don't have the necessary font? Probably:-( I have DoulosSIL which I thought was a comprehensive Unicode font. But among other things, it does not appear to have a glyph for: Greek Small Letter Iota with acute accent U+03AF What font are you using? -- John - http://mug.riscos.org/
Re: RISC OS Javascript support
Chris Gransden wrote In article 20121216154023.gl15...@kyllikki.org, Vincent Sanders vi...@netsurf-browser.org wrote: OK, the CI system just built #740 with a spidermonkey 1.8.5 library with the JIT disabled as suggested by Chris Gransden. Can this be tried by someone with access to RISC OS? and please be aware this may well behave very badly indeed. It get stuck in a infinite loop as soon as a web page is opened. Alt-break is the only way to quit. Similar results on Iyonix 5.19. Does get as far as putting icon on icon bar. -- John - http://mug.riscos.org/
Re: RISC OS Javascript support
Chris Gransden wrote Please can you send a patch? even if its just the files you changed I can work up a suitable patch from those, whatevers easiest. Steve already beat me to it. Those changes are working. Thanks Steve - it is great to see an extra entry in the choices content window. Probably a good idea to write it in camelCase though, ie JavaScript (not as in the subject of this thread). Picky, but just showing I'm awake:-) -- John - http://mug.riscos.org/
Re: Javascript and Fonts
Harriet Bazley wrote On 15 Dec 2012 as I do recall, Gavin Wraith wrote: Using NetSurf 3 #739. Wonderful to have some Javascript working, enough at least to show Greek text in http://memiyawanzi.wordpress.com/ . That's not Javascript... that's just Unicode :-) Seeing the same thing here in RISC OS 5 with no Javascript Looks more complete on linux raspberry Pi Chromium Chromium browser. On RISC OS the accented characters appear as hex couplets. -- John - http://mug.riscos.org/
Re: RISC OS Javascript support
Chris Young wrote On Thu, 13 Dec 2012 13:22:43 GMT, John Rickman Iyonix wrote: Great news! Does the Javascript need to be switched O? It is on by default, however if you've been running a non-JS build and have changed NetSurf's settings, you may find it has saved use_javascript:0 into your Choices file. Remove that line or change it to a 1 and JS will be enabled. If Steve is still around he should be able to add that to the GUI quite easily. Thanks Chris, the choices did have: enable_javascript:0 I have set it to enable_javascript:1 and the browser behaviour has changed. The message Your browser isn't running scripts. no longer appears. However, I have not yet found any actual javascript staements that work. -- John - http://mug.riscos.org/
Re: Full Save not setting of CSS files
David Pitt wrote John Rickman Iyonix, on 29 Nov, wrote: When you run a NetSurf Full Save application it does not act on the the CSS information because the CSS file is given a type of Text. The css file is correctly typed here on the ARMini, mimemap does have the css entry. Thanks - David and Brian - mimemap was missing an entry for css. I have added one and the filetype is now being correctly set. Incidently, the same problem occurs on the official RISC OS Raspberry Pi release. -- John - http://mug.riscos.org/
Full Save not setting of CSS files
When you run a NetSurf Full Save application it does not act on the the CSS information because the CSS file is given a type of Text. This is on an Iyonix 5.19, NetSurf #674. I think it used to work but am not sure. As an example open:- http://rickman.orpheusweb.co.uk/temp/ do a Full Save, then run the resulting !temp application. The background picture is not shown and the two column layout is lost. On my machine the CSS file created is called 0x71755530, and has a type of text. If this is changed to type CSS the two column layout is reinstated but the background image is still not shown because the name in the CSS file no longer matches the name of the image that NetSurf has created. I will report as a bug if it is confirmed here. -- John - http://mug.riscos.org/
Re: Full Save not setting of CSS files
John Rickman Iyonix wrote: When you run a NetSurf Full Save application it does not act on the the CSS information because the CSS file is given a type of Text. This is on an Iyonix 5.19, NetSurf #674. eg http://rickman.orpheusweb.co.uk/temp/ do a Full Save, then run the resulting !temp application. The background picture is not shown and the two column layout is lost. ... Brian Jordan wrote Here the CSS file (in this case 0x67192c10) is shown as the correct type (f79 CSS) and I see the two column layout when I load the HTML file. The background image is saved as a jpg file 0x669d26e0 but the reference within the CSS file is unchanged as torridon.jpg. Editing the CSS file to use the saved name of the graphic file achieves the correct result. It looks like the CSS file should be edited in the full save process or the graphic file should have its name unchanged. This in version 685 of Netsurf and after a quick check all the above seems to apply under Netsurf 2.9. Thanks Brian I have just updated to #685 but get the same result, ie the css file is typed Text. Are you using RISC OS 5.19? -- John - http://mug.riscos.org/
Re: CSS position not supported workaround
Michael Drake wrote In article 970f2cef52.iyoj...@rickman.argonet.co.uk, John Rickman Iyonix rick...@argonet.co.uk wrote: I would like to be able to fix some heading content on a page so that when the page is scrolled the heading stays on the screen. ... Is there anyway to do this that would work in NetSurf? A JavaScript solution is obviously not on. Only HTML Frames, but they have their own limitations. Does your design actually need it? Usually I detest it when I see it. :) The performance penalty can affect e.g. Chrome/Firefox on modern PCs too, although to a lesser extent. In this case, the design really does need it. What I want to keep at the top of the window is a lookup table which enables multiple interpretations of the content that follows. You can see what I am trying to do here:- http://rickman.orpheusweb.co.uk/john/songs/songsaf.html If you don't play the guitar it probably won't make a lot of sense, but basically it enables a guitarist to play any of the songs in any key without use of a capo. The performance hit on the scroll is acceptable here because once you have found the song you want to play you don't have to scroll again until you want to change songs. -- John - http://mug.riscos.org/
Re: small problem with raspberry pi site
John Rickman Iyonix wrote Version 2.9, and version 3.0 (2012-10-03_19-43-06) of NetSurf mess up the top menu line of the raspberry pi home page by overlaying the text, Skip to primary content over the menu items. http://www.raspberrypi.org/ Problem still happening today on CI #607. I have now submitted a bug report. The problem is similar to bug 3577471 reported by Chris Young but his problem was not present with version 2.9. The problem is minor, but it is likely to be the first experience of NetSurf for new users who have bought a Raspberry Pi because NetSurf is shipped with both the RISC OS and Raspian Linux. -- John - http://mug.riscos.org/
Re: small problem with raspberry pi site
Michael Drake wrote In article db3a73ea52.iyoj...@rickman.argonet.co.uk, John Rickman Iyonix rick...@argonet.co.uk wrote: Problem still happening today on CI #607. I have now submitted a bug report. Fixed. I am speechless:) but as Obi-Wan Kenobi might have put it: What took you so long! -- John - http://mug.riscos.org/
Re: NetSurf running out of memory
Brian Howlett wrote On 3 Nov, John Rickman Iyonix wrote: [snip] Not so with the links I reported unfortunately. They still fail on #571. However the message has changed from out of memory to unknown. eg You can see this with the following minimal example. These two files are apparently identical. One has soft spaces and loads, the other hard spaces and gives the out of memory message. http://rickman.orpheusweb.co.uk/temp/softspc.html http://rickman.orpheusweb.co.uk/temp/hardspc.html Each file contain one line only : !DOCTYPE html PUBLIC Both work OK in #574. RO 5.18, Iyonix. feathers in caps all round for the NS team - thanks -- John - http://mug.riscos.org/
Re: Google + -Your Browser is no longer supported
Jess Hampshire wrote John Rickman Iyonix rick...@argonet.co.uk wrote: Is this a good case for faking the User-Agent string? Possibly a good case for dismissing Google plus as an irrelevance. Facebook can be used with NS I am trying to find a cloud based application for sharing files across several systems. These are: Iyonix RISC OS, HTC phone Android, 10 Tablet Android, Raspberry Pi linux and RISC OS, and an Intel machine running Lubuntu. Google + or rather Google Drive is one possiblility, Dropbox and EverNote are two others. While not expecting to be able to save and retrieve files owing to the lack of java Script, I was hoping at least to be to be able to see a list of the files put up from Linux. But if the message is to be believed Google Drive tests for specific Browser ids. -- John - http://mug.riscos.org/
Google + -Your Browser is no longer supported
A web page with the subject message appears when I try to access Google+ from NetSurf. https://plus.google.com/ Clicking on learn more the next page says: Google+ is supported in the following browsers: Windows: Chrome, Firefox 3.6 and beyond, Internet Explorer 8 ... Linux: Chrome, Firefox 3.6 and beyond Mac: Chrome, Firefox 3.6 and beyond, Safari 4 and beyond Is this a good case for faking the User-Agent string? -- John - http://mug.riscos.org/
Re: NetSurf running out of memory
Rob Kendrick wrote The out of memory error almost never means you're out of memory. It's just caused by the vagueries of how some parts of NetSurf handle errors and other parts not being expressive enough. Yes, we're working on that, too. I have tracked down the cause of at least some of the out of memory errors that I have been getting. They are being caused by hard spaces (A0) which have crept into my html instead of spaces (20). You can see this with the following minimal example. These two files are apparently identical. One has soft spaces and loads, the other hard spaces and gives the out of memory message. http://rickman.orpheusweb.co.uk/temp/softspc.html http://rickman.orpheusweb.co.uk/temp/hardspc.html The files contain the following text only : !DOCTYPE html PUBLIC Should I update the NetSurf bugs list? -- John - http://mug.riscos.org/
Re: NetSurf running out of memory
Alan Leighton wrote John Rickman Iyonix rick...@argonet.co.uk wrote: I have hit three more pages that give the out of memory message using the latest test version (netsurf-2012-10-07_21-57-22/zip) click on: http://rickman.orpheusweb.co.uk/kinder.htm This will show a page of images. Click on either the bicycle or the kayak and (on my Iyonix running 5.18) a warning message pops up saying that NetSurf is running out of memory and the URL is not displayed. If someone can confirm that this is not unique to my setup I will post a bug report. I tried it out and had no problems and that is odd for me ;-) Thanks Alan, That is curious. Are you using Iyonix 5.18? Could you confirm that http://rickman.orpheusweb.co.uk/temp/songaf.html which also gives me an out of memory message works for you? -- John - http://mug.riscos.org/
Re: NetSurf running out of memory
Alan Leighton wrote Could you confirm that http://rickman.orpheusweb.co.uk/temp/songaf.html which also gives me an out of memory message works for you? It is fine Thanks - what hardware/software are you using? -- John - http://mug.riscos.org/
Re: User feedback requested (esp. RISC OS)
Any attempt to load this page :- http://rickman.orpheusweb.co.uk/temp/songaf.html using netsurf-2012-10-03_19-43-06 pops up a message from NetSurf saying: NetSurf is running out of memory. Please free some memory and try again. Tasks shows NS is using 6800K, Free 422772, Dynamic areas NS 5056K The page loads successfully using NetSurf 2.9 -- John Rickman - http://mug.riscos.org/
small problem with raspberry pi site
Version 2.9, and version 3.0 (2012-10-03_19-43-06) of NetSurf mess up the top menu line of the raspberry pi home page by overlaying the text, Skip to primary content over the menu items. I don't have the expertise to be able to tell whether this is this a bug in NetSurf or is caused by a badly written web-page? (The page displays correctly using Chromium browser on Lubuntu) The link is: http://www.raspberrypi.org/ -- John - http://mug.riscos.org/
Re: Crashes on GMail
Ma Xiaojun wrote I'm using Mac OS X 10.7.5, NetSurf 2.9. ... I'd like to use GMail, I don't mind it is just mobile view only. However, all the following addresses gave me a crash: www.gmail.com mail.google.com g.illinois.edu No problem on Iyonix 5.18 with 2.9 I link to:- https://mail.google.com/mail/?ui=1 This brings up a page:- https://mail.google.com/mail/u/0/?ui=2 That says:- JavaScript must be enabled in order for you to use Gmail in standard view.. To use Gmail's basic HTML view, which does not require JavaScript, click here... https://mail.google.com/mail/u/0/h/11xp6d428d699/?zy=cf=1 I click on the link and up comes the gmail inbox. -- John - http://mug.riscos.org/
