Re: Backyard Worlds

[Dave Higton]

In message <000646f6.01e9b4901...@smtp.freeola.net>
  Peter Slegg  wrote:

>Netsurf isn't able to open this link:
>
>https://blog.backyardworlds.org/2018/02/14/we-love-you-and-happy-anniversary/
>
>It just says "Unable to fetch document" after ~20s.
>
>In choices I have:
>
>curl_fetch_timeout:180
>
>
>In can open it in Cab without difficulty.

I think this may be Atari-specific.  Works here on RISC OS.

Dave

Re: problem with Mailman or is it just me?

[Dave Higton]

In message 
  Jim Nagel  wrote:

>Tim Hill wrote on 6 Nov:
>
>> (bcc to JN)
>> In article , Jim Nagel
>>  wrote:
>   [snip]
>
>>> https://listmaster.pepperfish.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/netsurf-use
>>> rs-netsurf-browser.org
>>> I went to the Netsurf-users Info Page [via link quoted above] and
>>> subscribed using a different address (a valid one), but it responds:
>>> "You must supply a valid email address."
>
>I wonder if a couple of others could try that link, please:  try 
>subscribing to the Netsurf list from a different valid address of your 
>own.  Do you get the same message as I did?  What ISP are YOU using?

Yes, I do (i.e. it fails for me just like it does for you).  I'm
using BT as my ISP, and more to the point my email service provider
is inbox.com but using my own domain name.

Dave

NetSurf 3.7

[Dave Higton]

Did I miss an announcement of the release of 3.7, or is it still not
released?

Dave

Re: Crash on Titanium

[Dave Higton]

In message 
  Geoffrey Baxendale  wrote:

>Hi,
>
>I am in the process of building a Titanium based system.
>Unfortunately Netsurf loads to the icon bar but as soon as you click it
>the Netsurf window appears and produces an error. (segmentation fault)
>
>4233 version on RiscOS 5.23
>
>I have tried older versions with the same result.
>
>Any ideas.

Did you update !Boot and !System from the Netsurf archive?

Dave

Re: Form submission timeouts

[Dave Higton]

In message <9ceaa96956.harr...@blueyonder.co.uk>
  Harriet Bazley  wrote:

>On 9 Aug 2017 as I do recall,
>  Harriet Bazley  wrote:
>
>> Currently I just get a time-out error after about twenty seconds if I
>> attempt to send messages of over 1,485 characters via a PM or a post of
>> more than 1,343 characters to a forum.
>
>I've since discovered that the site's document-editing feature is timing out
>as well.  Previously it was possible to do basic editing on the raw HTML of
>a previously submitted document via Netsurf - now you can edit but can't
>save the result. I haven't bothered testing to see what the triggering
>length on this feature is since an HTML page of under 1K in total length is
>never going to be of much use in practice...
>
>So it looks as if all multi-line text icons are being affected.

I apologies that my response here won't be as useful as I want it to
be.

The numbers and the symptoms fit with it being an MTU problem.  I
had something like it a few years ago - unfortunately too long ago
for me to remember much about it or its solution.

Has anything changed recently about your internet provision (e.g. a
new router, or service from a new provider), or something about the
platform from which you're sending?

I used to think that the MTU had no practical effect - above this
value, packets would be automatically fragmented and equally
automatically re-assembled.  But my lesson was that it doesn't
work like I thought.

You might try looking at the various interfaces along the network
to see if the MTU of any of them can be altered.

If anyone reading this thread can shed any light on MTU issues,
how to diagnose them and how to fix them, it would be very
helpful.

Dave

Re: Unable to Fetch document

[Dave Higton]

In message <000450a6.01e9b4901...@smtp.freeola.net>
  Peter Slegg  wrote:

>
>This page always returns "Unable to fetch document" on the
>Atari 4088 m68k build.
>
>https://blog.backyardworlds.org/2017/05/19/thirteen-brown-dwarf-candidates-and-our-sensitivity-limits/
>
>Just wondered if other builds behave the same ?

RISC OS CI #4095 fetches it OK.  Lots of hourglass starts and stops,
takes a while, but gets there.

Do you need to know whether there is a problem specifically on
CI #4088?  Was that your question?

Dave

Re: info panel remains blank

[Dave Higton]

In message <521d004356@abbeypress.net>
  Jim Nagel  wrote:

>In recent builds* of Netsurf, the info line at bottom left of main 
>window stays blank.  In the past, it usefully showed the target URL 
>when the pointer was over a link in the main window.
>
>Is this change of behaviour intentional? Or perhaps a line of code has 
>been overlooked in the revision process?
>
>Anybody else noticed the same thing, or is it just me?
>
>* #4085 and #4088  -- here on Armini Ro 5.22 and ArmX6 5.23.

Works for me; CI #4088, RO 5.23 (12-Apr-17), BBxM.  Just tested
on NetSurf's home page.

Dave

Re: Redraw oddity

[Dave Higton]

In message <499d3a3d56.davem...@my.inbox.com>
  Dave Higton <d...@davehigton.me.uk> wrote:

>In message <563d1ee6d9li...@torrens.org>
>  "Richard Torrens (lists)" <li...@torrens.org> wrote:
>
>>https://www.quora.com/Where-does-iPhoto-store-photos-locally
>>
>>At first this displays a blank page. But wipe over it with another
>>window...
>>
>>Does anyone else get the same behaviour?
>>
>> 3.7 (Dev CI #4086) on ARMX6 5.23
>>(29-Jun-16)
>
>It behaves the same over a year back.  The earliest I have kept is
>#3496, which does the same.

In fact even release 3.4 does it.

Dave

Re: Redraw oddity

[Dave Higton]

In message <563d1ee6d9li...@torrens.org>
  "Richard Torrens (lists)"  wrote:

>https://www.quora.com/Where-does-iPhoto-store-photos-locally
>
>At first this displays a blank page. But wipe over it with another
>window...
>
>Does anyone else get the same behaviour?
>
> 3.7 (Dev CI #4086) on ARMX6 5.23
>(29-Jun-16)

It behaves the same over a year back.  The earliest I have kept is
#3496, which does the same.

Dave

Re: input focus

[Dave Higton]

In message <4b8d703756@abbeypress.net>
  Jim Nagel  wrote:

>I notice that the input focus -- often but not always -- goes to 
>Netsurf when I click on a link in an email that opens a web page.
>
>This was not the case until fairly recently*.  The input focus always 
>used to remain with the email window.
>
>Is this the result of a deliberate change in Netsurf, or is it just a 
>fluke of some sort?
>
>Not a serious problem, just that I have to consciously change some of 
>my habitual keystrokes in a repetitive chore that I do.
>
>(* I first noticed the different input-focus behaviour with Netsurf 
>#4001 and now #4085.  In my previous versions (#3955 and back), 
>Netsurf did not take the input focus till I explicitly clicked in its 
>window.  Throughout this period, my email software has had no update.)
>
>Using Ro 5.23 on ArmX6, Ro 5.22 on Armini (Beagle).

I've just been experimenting.  BBxM, RO 5.23 (12 Apr 17), MPRO 7.08,
NS CI #4085.  Some links don't take the input focus, some do.  At the
moment it's just an observation; I haven't looked at the email source
to see if I can discern any difference.  For any given link, I think
the result has been consistent.

Dave

Re: github crash

[Dave Higton]

In message <83ea410d56.davem...@my.inbox.com>
  Dave Higton <d...@davehigton.me.uk> wrote:

>In message <000646be.01f994909...@smtp.freeola.net>
>  Peter Slegg <p.sl...@scubadivers.co.uk> wrote:
>
>>The Atari Freemint OS moved to github and they posted this link to
>>an Issue:
>>
>>https://github.com/freemint/freemint/pull/20
>>
>>When I open it with NS, it downloads about 14k in about 3-4mins but
>>then shows the error below and crashes out.
>>
>>Failure when receiving data from the peer
>>render/html_object.c:127: html_object_callback: Assertion
>>`c->base.status != CONTENT_STATUS_ERROR' failed.
>
>I just tried it on CI#3984 on RISC OS.  The page loads reasonably
>quickly and there's no crash.  The only problem I see is that the
>text within  tags is rendered as black rectangles,
>with no visible or selectable text.

Sorry, I must correct my report.  If I select text including the
black rectangles, the text becomes inverted to white, while the
rectangle's background remains black.  This makes the text legible.
So the rectangles must normally be black text on a black background.

I ought to report this as a separate bug.

Dave

Re: github crash

[Dave Higton]

In message <000646be.01f994909...@smtp.freeola.net>
  Peter Slegg  wrote:

>The Atari Freemint OS moved to github and they posted this link to
>an Issue:
>
>https://github.com/freemint/freemint/pull/20
>
>When I open it with NS, it downloads about 14k in about 3-4mins but
>then shows the error below and crashes out.
>
>Failure when receiving data from the peer
>render/html_object.c:127: html_object_callback: Assertion
>`c->base.status != CONTENT_STATUS_ERROR' failed.

I just tried it on CI#3984 on RISC OS.  The page loads reasonably
quickly and there's no crash.  The only problem I see is that the
text within  tags is rendered as black rectangles,
with no visible or selectable text.

Sorry if this isn't as helpful as we'd like, but maybe reporting
that the RO version doesn't have the problem may help in some way.

Dave

Re: Website not renendering correctly

[Dave Higton]

In message <55e4bd72e6cvj...@waitrose.com>
  Chris Newman  wrote:

>Hi,
>
>http://www.bapfish.org.uk/networking.htm
>
>Which formally worked splendidly has now gone mammaries skyward. From at
>least #3784 on it seems.
>
>Still OK in the old Netsurf 3.5.

I've just discovered that NetSurf 3.6 was released on 2016 November 19
(8 days ago as I type this).  It renders OK in 3.6 too.

Dave

Re: Website not renendering correctly

[Dave Higton]

In message <382bc7e455.davem...@my.inbox.com>
  Dave Higton <d...@davehigton.me.uk> wrote:

>In message <55e4bd72e6cvj...@waitrose.com>
>  Chris Newman <cvj...@waitrose.com> wrote:
>
>>Hi,
>>
>>http://www.bapfish.org.uk/networking.htm
>>
>>Which formally worked splendidly has now gone mammaries skyward. From at
>>least #3784 on it seems.
>
>Behaviour changed between 3751 and 3777, which are the nearest two
>versions I have downloaded (I was away from home while that range
>was made available).

Specifically: it's OK in 3762 and faulty in 3763.

Dave

Re: Website not renendering correctly

[Dave Higton]

In message <55e51740a7cvj...@waitrose.com>
  Chris Newman  wrote:

>In article ,
>   David Pitt  wrote:
>> Peter Slegg, on 26 Nov, wrote:
>
>> > 
>> > > Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2016 21:33:31 + (GMT) From: Chris Newman
>> > >  Subject: Website not renendering correctly To:
>> > > netsurf-users@netsurf-browser.org Message-ID:
>> > > <55e4bd72e6cvj...@waitrose.com> Hi,
>> > >
>> > > http://www.bapfish.org.uk/networking.htm
>> > >
>> > > Which formally worked splendidly has now gone mammaries skyward. From at
>> > > least #3784 on it seems.
>> > >
>> > > Still OK in the old Netsurf 3.5.
>> > >
>> > > Has been confirmed by others.
>> > >
>> > 
>> > On Vn 3784 Atari, it appears much the same, three lines of text all
>> > stacked on top of each other.
>
>> Set "Hide advertisements".
>
>Ah! Now works again with that setting. How perceptive of you.

But that isn't the point, is it?  Either setting or clearing "Hide
advertisements" shouldn't cause multiple lines of text to be
superimposed.  Something is wrong.

Dave

Re: Website not renendering correctly

[Dave Higton]

In message <55e4bd72e6cvj...@waitrose.com>
  Chris Newman  wrote:

>Hi,
>
>http://www.bapfish.org.uk/networking.htm
>
>Which formally worked splendidly has now gone mammaries skyward. From at
>least #3784 on it seems.

Behaviour changed between 3751 and 3777, which are the nearest two
versions I have downloaded (I was away from home while that range
was made available).

Dave

Re: memory-gobbling on Virtual Acorn

[Dave Higton]

In message <3f4747b255@abbeypress.net>
  Jim Nagel  wrote:

>I'm using Virtual RiscPC on my ol' Windows XP laptop while away from 
>base.  Various wrinkles of this setup are still unfamiliar to me.
>
>One is that Netsurf (recent, #3538) too quickly eats up all the free 
>memory.

Recent (as I type this) is #3672.

Dave

Re: how to make Netsurf forget its logged-in state

[Dave Higton]

In message 
  Jim Nagel  wrote:

>Frank de Bruijn  wrote on 14 May:
>>  If I quit NetSurf it *does* forget the login details, as I would have
>> expected. The authentication window pops up again after a restart.
>> That's with NetSurf 3.6 (Dev CI #3538). Which version are you using?
>
>I'm using Netsurf 3.5 #3433 (with Javascript switched off at the 
>moment, if that's relevant).  And I'll update today, I promise.  I 
>usually update much more frequently; the past month or two are 
>atypical.
>
>You're right, though:  quitting Netsurf does forget the login details.  
>So that's obviously the simple solution to my original problem.
>
>Still would like to know where Netsurf stores this info -- cache? -- 
>and if there'd be any way to erase it (i.e., to "log out") without 
>quitting everything else that might be open.

I've been looking at the NS source code, and it appears that the
login username and password are stored as part of the session,
which is simply in RAM - as is lots of other stuff.  I don't
know of any way of deleting the session information without
quitting NS.  I don't have a login to your site, but it occurred
to me that I see the same behaviour with the ROOL site, so I
tried it so as to remind myself of exactly what happens.  When
I have logged in, I can close the window, then open another to
the ROOL site, whereupon I'm logged in automatically.  If I quit
and restart NS and open a window to ROOL, I have to log in anew.

I get the same behaviour with Firefox on Linux.  If I log in to
ROOL, open a new blank window, close the ROOL window, then open
the blank window to ROOL, I'm automatically logged in; whereas
if I log in, then quit and restart FF, I need to log in anew.

So I think that restarting NS is just what you're going to have
to do.

Dave


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Re: Crash on Atari build

[Dave Higton]

In message <0024b6cb.02131490b...@smtp.freeola.net>
  Peter Slegg <p.sl...@scubadivers.co.uk> wrote:

>> Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2016 23:40:54 GMT
>> From: Dave Higton <d...@davehigton.me.uk>
>> Subject: Re: Crash on Atari build
>> To: netsurf-users@netsurf-browser.org
>>
>>  Peter Slegg <p.sl...@scubadivers.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>> >
>> >I recent builds (last week or so) I have had problems exiting ns,
>> >it would just hang and I've also had a few situations where it
>> >would hang while awaiting a page.
>> >
>> >I've just had a proper crash:
>> >
>> >Failure when receiving data from the peer
>> >render/html_object.c:125: html_object_callback: Assertion `c->base.status 
>> >!= CONTENT_STATUS_ERROR' failed.
>> >
>> >I was trying to view:
>> >
>> >https://github.com/vinriviere/m68k-atari-mint-gcc/blob/
>>
>> 404 for me.
>>
>> Dave
>
>Sorry, I had to guess the link after the crash.
>
>I just tried this:
>
>https://github.com/vinriviere/m68k-atari-mint-gcc/
>
>First the peer failure dialogue pops up and then ns crashes with:
>
>Failure when receiving data from the peer
>render/html_object.c:125: html_object_callback: Assertion `c->base.status != 
>CONTENT_STATUS_ERROR' failed.

OK, thanks.  All I can add is that it works on RISC OS CI #3457,
neither of your observed symptoms occurs, so it appears to be
specific to the Atari build.

Dave


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Re: Crash on Atari build

[Dave Higton]

In message <000b5dac.022974902...@smtp.freeola.net>
  Peter Slegg  wrote:

>
>I recent builds (last week or so) I have had problems exiting ns,
>it would just hang and I've also had a few situations where it
>would hang while awaiting a page.
>
>I've just had a proper crash:
>
>Failure when receiving data from the peer
>render/html_object.c:125: html_object_callback: Assertion `c->base.status != 
>CONTENT_STATUS_ERROR' failed.
>
>I was trying to view:
>
>https://github.com/vinriviere/m68k-atari-mint-gcc/blob/

404 for me.

Dave


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Re: Missing images

[Dave Higton]

In message <19cbe65f55.pnyo...@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk>
  Peter Young  wrote:

>On 12 Mar 2016  Peter Slegg  wrote:
>
>
>> This page seems to behave in a similar way:
>
>> http://www.itv.com/news/granada/
>
>No images at at all here. RISC OS, NetSurf #3434
>
>Will you do a bug report?

I think you'll find that this is the same as Mantis case 532, which
was raised in 2012.

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Re: Met office missing icons

[Dave Higton]

In message <63441.82.153.33.53.1456075577.squir...@email.orpheusnet.co.uk>
  "Gerald Dodson"  wrote:

>> On 21 Feb, "Gerald Dodson" wrote in message
>> <57169.82.153.33.53.1456051649.squir...@email.orpheusnet.co.uk>:
>>
>>> Recently the mobile forecast has been downloading with the precipitation
>>> icons missing. Everything else is there i.e probability of ?, temp,
>>> feels
>>> like etc. I have looked at the forecast on an android but the site looks
>>> quite different. An earlier NS shows the same lack of icons.
>>>
>>> NS 3421 Iyo 5.18
>>
>> Which weather site is this?
>>
>> --
>> Steve Fryatt - Leeds, England
>
>
>www.metoffice.gov.uk/mobile/forecast/u10qr36jhrgt

Please raise a Mantis case, Gerald.

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More bugs fixed

[Dave Higton]

More bugs have been fixed, thus closing Mantis cases 2413, 2415 and
2418.  I recommend to everyone that you download a new CI build of
NetSurf.

Happy testing :-)

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Re: Big push on testing needed

[Dave Higton]

In message <57e4a64755.iyoj...@rickman.argonet.co.uk>
  John Rickman Iyonix  wrote:

>As far as I know javascript should ignore html comments and the 
>javascript validator does not flag them as errors
>
> http://www.javascriptlint.com/online_lint.php

My reference suggests that an HTML comment is /not/ a legal Javascript
comment.  Perhaps you should open a discussion with the author of the
above application.  I would, of course, be very interested to know the
conclusion!

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Re: Big push on testing needed

[Dave Higton]

In message <5547e95991stuartli...@orpheusinternet.co.uk>
  lists <stuartli...@orpheusinternet.co.uk> wrote:

>In article <3bc72c4755.davem...@my.inbox.com>,
>   Dave Higton <d...@davehigton.me.uk> wrote:
>> Please, everybody, download the latest test build (which will,
>> of course, change as bugs are found and fixed), give it a good
>> thrashing, and get your bug reports in.
>
>A site I use a lot is
>
>http://cpc.farnell.com/
>
>Although it displays quite nicely, the "search" box, which should be within
>the broad blue banner at the top, to the right of "All products", isn't
>visible - is this fixable?
>
>#3312

Please raise an issue on Mantis.

NetSurf has an unsatisfactory layout engine.  It needs replacing.
This is clearly a big job.  However, please don't let that deter
you from raising the issue - it's not clear to me whether particular
issues, like the one you point out, can be fixed independently
of the major rework.

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Re: Big push on testing needed

[Dave Higton]

In message <57e4a64755.iyoj...@rickman.argonet.co.uk>
  John Rickman Iyonix  wrote:

>John Rickman Iyonix  wrote
>
>>http://rickman.orpheusweb.co.uk/testing/test5.html
>
>> I have now traced the problem to an error in my code. I need to fix
>> the problem and try again.
>
>My javascript is now working. the problem was that the new interpreter
>does not like html comments between the  and  tags.
>
> 
>  Bakehouse-Cyber
> 
> 
>   document.write("hello world");
> 
>  
>
>As far as I know javascript should ignore html comments and the 
>javascript validator does not flag them as errors
>
> http://www.javascriptlint.com/online_lint.php

My O'Reilly Javascript book tells me that Javascript supports C-
style and C++-style comments.  The only mention of HTML-style
comments relates to really, really, old browsers.

I think your code above is genuinely wrong, although I guess
it might be supported by some browsers that are deliberately
written to be tolerant of errors.

I'd recommens that you change your comment line to:

  // here is some javascript

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Re: Big push on testing needed

[Dave Higton]

In message <554757c729bbai...@argonet.co.uk>
  Brian <bbai...@argonet.co.uk> wrote:

>In article <3bc72c4755.davem...@my.inbox.com>,
>   Dave Higton <d...@davehigton.me.uk> wrote:
>> Big news...
>
>> Current test (CI) builds are now release candidates.  Yes, a new
>> release of NetSurf is imminent.
>
>> Please, everybody, download the latest test build (which will,
>> of course, change as bugs are found and fixed), give it a good
>> thrashing, and get your bug reports in.
>
>> Please also note that, since it's now close to release time, the
>> Javascript setting in Choices->Content is obeyed (and has been
>> for a couple of days or so now).
>
>> Dave
>
>Fetching websites seems to storm along at a rate of knots. Has something
>been done to NetSurf to enable this?

It has been suggested that the Unixlib fixes may be responsible.

If you go back far enough (before 2015 early November), the
regular expression parser was sometimes responsible for an
unbelievably high proportion of page load times.  (At the
developer weekend last autumn, I saw an example where it took
90% of the CPU time.)

One other thing: the CI builds are coming out with logging
enabled.  This will be changed for the release version.  So,
if you want NS to go even faster, turn logging off (you'll
see the setting near the top of the !Run file).  Of course:

1) you'll have to turn it back on again to get a log to report
a bug;

2) you'll want to turn it off again for each new CI version
you install.

It's a bit of an extreme example, but a Javascript test I
ran last night took over 6 minutes with logging enabled (it
created a 25 MB file) but 20 seconds with logging disabled.

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Re: Big push on testing needed

[Dave Higton]

On Sun, 24 Jan 2016 23:20:33 GMT John Rickman wrote:

> Dave Higton  wrote
> 
>> Big news...
> 
>> Current test (CI) builds are now release candidates.  Yes, a new
>> release of NetSurf is imminent.
> 
>> Please, everybody, download the latest test build (which will,
>> of course, change as bugs are found and fixed), give it a good
>> thrashing, and get your bug reports in.
> 
>> Please also note that, since it's now close to release time, the
>> Javascript setting in Choices->Content is obeyed (and has been
>> for a couple of days or so now).
> 
> 
> I am happy to download every day, or whenever a new version is
> available.
> Is there any information available about the current state of
> javascript?

That's impossible to answer in any way that is both simple and
meaningful.

The Javascript interpreter was replaced with a different one
a few months ago.  The decision was taken not to make a new
stable release of NS until all the Javascript features of the
previous interpreter are present again.  However, some other
JS features are also present.

The JS implementation is still far from complete, though.  If
you need a RISC OS browser with complete (-ish) Javascript at
the moment, you'll have to use Otter or QupZilla, and put up
with the slower speeds.

To look at your question from a different angle: is there a
particular Javascript feature that you need?

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Big push on testing needed

[Dave Higton]

Big news...

Current test (CI) builds are now release candidates.  Yes, a new
release of NetSurf is imminent.

Please, everybody, download the latest test build (which will,
of course, change as bugs are found and fixed), give it a good
thrashing, and get your bug reports in.

Please also note that, since it's now close to release time, the
Javascript setting in Choices->Content is obeyed (and has been
for a couple of days or so now).

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Re: Very slow page rendering

[Dave Higton]

In message <000a3379.01eff490b...@smtp.freeola.net>
  Peter Slegg  wrote:

>
>http://git.netsurf-browser.org/netsurf.git/tree/atari/gemtk/guiwin.c
>
>This page takes abut 20mins to download and render, Highwire browser
>takes about 6sec.

I just tried it with CI#3254 on an Iyonix.  Took about 24 sec.

If you're not on a very recent CI build, I would recommend you get
one.  Very slow rendering was fixed a couple of months ago.

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Re: Javascript Date() function corrected?

[Dave Higton]

In message <mpro.o0f3ss01dhbrj01n4.pit...@pittdj.co.uk>
  David Pitt <pit...@pittdj.co.uk> wrote:

>Dave Higton, on 3 Jan, wrote:
>
>> At some stage recently the Javascript Date() function appears to have
>> been fixed.  Previously, when DST was in force, the time was shown as
>> 1 hour in advance (double correction).
>> 
>> The attached is a short file to test it, and I would appreciate your
>> feedback as to whether it now shows the correct time for everyone,
>> with and without DST in force.
>> 
>> There is a new RISC OS build CI #3249 today.
>
>With #3250 on RPi2 OS5.23 (03-Jan-16).
>
>Correct for both conditions.
>
>*st. dst
>AutoDST
>*time
>Mon,04 Jan 2016.07:25:59
>*
>Today is 2016-01-04 07:26:26.000+00:00
>
>*co. dst
>*time
>Mon,04 Jan 2016.08:28:07
>*
>Today is 2016-01-04 08:28:21.000+01:00 

Thanks, David and others.

Any other testers in other time zones willing to give it a go?

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Case sensitivity bug (Mantis 2339)

[Dave Higton]

I believe this bug has been fixed in CI #3251, released a few minutes
ago.  Please check and report!

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Javascript Date() function corrected?

[Dave Higton]

At some stage recently the Javascript Date() function appears to have
been fixed.  Previously, when DST was in force, the time was shown as
1 hour in advance (double correction).

The attached is a short file to test it, and I would appreciate your
feedback as to whether it now shows the correct time for everyone,
with and without DST in force.

There is a new RISC OS build CI #3249 today.

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Title: _javascript_ - Date

Re: Javascript Date() function corrected?

[Dave Higton]

In message <7b97583c55.pnyo...@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk>
  Peter Young <pnyo...@ormail.co.uk> wrote:

>On 3 Jan 2016  Dave Higton <d...@davehigton.me.uk> wrote:
>
>> At some stage recently the Javascript Date() function appears to have
>> been fixed.  Previously, when DST was in force, the time was shown as
>> 1 hour in advance (double correction).
>
>> The attached is a short file to test it, and I would appreciate your
>> feedback as to whether it now shows the correct time for everyone,
>> with and without DST in force.
>
>> There is a new RISC OS build CI #3249 today.
>
>Works here, with that build. RISC OS 5.23 (RComp), ARMX6.

With and without DST in force?

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Re: AA dog rescue nothing loads

[Dave Higton]

In message <3f74b93755.pitt...@iyonix.home>
  David Pitt <pit...@pittdj.co.uk> wrote:

>In message <533daf3755.davem...@my.inbox.com>
>  Dave Higton <d...@davehigton.me.uk> wrote:
>
>> In message <63965.82.153.33.53.1451072378.squir...@email.orpheusnet.co.uk>
>>   "Gerald Dodson" <gerald.dod...@argonet.co.uk> wrote:
>
>>>When I try to access this site nothing at all loads with or without JS.
>>>Using 3056 on Iyo 5.18
>
>> OK, Gerald, give us a clue as to the URL, please... my powers of
>> ESP are not as strong as I would like...
>
>Just needs a lead!!!
>
>http://www.aadogrescue.org.uk/
>
>I even tried the current latest NetSurf, #3244, and there's nothing 
>doing.

The page is an untidy sprawling mess of Javascript, whether or not
Javascript is enabled in NetSurf.  But I haven't looked in any more
detail.

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Re: Not an important bug.

[Dave Higton]

In message <ns0b9e6f2155.b...@yo.rk>
  Bryn Evans <nets...@bryork.freeuk.com> wrote:

>In a mad moment - Dave Higton  mumbled :
>
>> In message <ns0a4de91f55.b...@yo.rk>
>>   Bryn Evans <nets...@bryork.freeuk.com> wrote:
>
>
>>> Since the arrival of the mapping App " !RiscOSM " downloads in the  order
>>> of 700Mb are frequent and it is currently not possible to read the the
>>> number of hundreds to go. Adding an extra two digit space, OR changing the
>>> Message " remaining " to " remains " would do it.
>
>> Please raise a Mantis issue for it, which will ensure it gets tracked
>> and dealt with.  I see no reason why we shouldn't fix this.
>
>> I want it in the tracker because we're knee deep in another issue at
>> the moment, and I don't want your very reasonable request to get
>> forgotten due to pressure of other stuff.
>
>Thanks - I logged it yesterday

I've uploaded a fix.  We just need to wait for it to work its way
into a new build.

Thanks for reporting the issue!

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Re: Segfault: issue 2381

[Dave Higton]

In message <5524236b79stuartli...@orpheusinternet.co.uk>
  lists  wrote:

>In article ,
>   John Rickman Iyonix  wrote:
>
>> have you got an old one eg 2.9, or 3.0, if not I can send you one.
>> John
>
>Yup, tried those so I'm guessing something in !Boot. Noting comments
>elsewhere about fonts, I've already done a "force" copy of !Fonts from a
>backup with no improvement.

My guess is that you're replacing faulty with equally faulty.

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Re: Segfault: issue 2381

[Dave Higton]

In message <55240ff66dstuartli...@orpheusinternet.co.uk>
  lists <stuartli...@orpheusinternet.co.uk> wrote:

>In article <68193746bbf.07b8d...@davehigton.me.uk>,
>   Dave Higton <d...@davehigton.me.uk> wrote:
>> If any of you has seen NetSurf quit (the log shows a segfault)
>> when you clicked in the window, I'd recommend that you get one
>> of today's builds.  (Last time I looked, the latest was 3053.)
>
>Yes, I've just hit this problem. Unfortunatly none of the versions I have
>will even run. They crash out when I try to load them.
>
>This means I cannot get to the !NetSurf site or anywhere else.

What happens when you revert to 3.3?

(You'll need to delete the current installation of NetSurf so that
older files will be copied.)

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Re: Flickr

[Dave Higton]

In message <552270b733joh...@ukgateway.net>
  John Williams  wrote:

>
>Attempting to view a photo of the PiTop at:
>
>https://www.flickr.com/photos/andymarks1970/22992712162/
>
>does not render the photo, yet it has been pointed out to me that it does
>work with NetSurf 3.1, and for me here with an old 3.0.
>
>3.3 fails to render the image, as do later development versions, but I do
>not have sufficient stock of older versions to isolate when the problem
>started.
>
>If anyone does have adequate numbers of earlier versions to find out at
>what development version the trouble started, I'm sure that information
>would help the developers greatly!

It's a known issue - see Mantis 2378.  The cause is incomplete
Javascript.

To see the image with a recent version of NetSurf, just disable
Javascript.

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Re: Not an important bug.

[Dave Higton]

In message 
  Bryn Evans  wrote:

> In a mad moment - Ron Briscoe  mumbled :
> 
> > I have not reported this on the bug tracker as it does not affect the
> > running of NetSurf at all.
> 
> > The download window in NetSurf is too narrow. That is when downloading a
> > large zip for instance only the last one or two digits of the downloaded
> > amount are shown. E.G. 123.45Mb of 36GB shows only the 45 digits.
> 
> > As I say not a show stopper, but for the likes of me who enjoys seeing
> > the download progress figures moving, an irritant ;-).
> 
> I was about to put in a Request for this problem to be catered for.
> 
> Since the arrival of the mapping App " !RiscOSM " downloads in the  order
> of 700Mb are frequent and it is currently not possible to read the the
> number of hundreds to go. Adding an extra two digit space, OR changing the
> Message " remaining " to " remains " would do it.

Please raise a Mantis issue for it, which will ensure it gets tracked
and dealt with.  I see no reason why we shouldn't fix this.

I want it in the tracker because we're knee deep in another issue at
the moment, and I don't want your very reasonable request to get
forgotten due to pressure of other stuff.

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Segfault: issue 2381

[Dave Higton]

If any of you has seen NetSurf quit (the log shows a segfault)
when you clicked in the window, I'd recommend that you get one
of today's builds.  (Last time I looked, the latest was 3053.)

If you're interested, Mantis issue 2381 has more details.

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Re: NetSurf progress

[Dave Higton]

On Tue, 03 Nov 2015 21:54:09 GMT Harriet Bazley wrote:

> I've been very impressed by the speed with which the last few issues
> I've reported have been fixed.

We've been trying hard.

I looked at bug 2339, thinking it might be easy to fix.  It isn't at
all straightforward, sadly - but at least you have a work-round.

If you change the case sensitivity during a search, change the search
text (and then presumably change it back again) - this will cause the
case sensitivity to be obeyed, at the cost of the caret going back to
the start of the document.

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Re: Change languaje and Enable javascript

[Dave Higton]

In message <4eb78d89149f3a2b14696d12b7082...@openmailbox.org>
  Diego Herchhoren  wrote:

>Hi friends. 
>
>I'm user of Debian Sid, and I'm using Netsurf. 
>
>I have a problem with languaje. I select spanish languaje in
>preferences, but the languaje is not changed. 

The problem is that we don't yet have a Spanish translation for the
messages in the user interface.

Can you help?  Can you translate the messages for us?

>Also, I have activated javascript, but it doesn't run. 

The Javascript implementation is currently only beginning.  It's
being worked on very hard, but Javascript is a big language, so it
will gradually improve over time.

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Re: Problems with bug reporting

[Dave Higton]

In message <0ed03b1555.andrew-...@waitrose.com>
  Andrew Pinder  wrote:

>I installed CI #3000 on an ARMini running RO5.22.  I used Google to 
>search for "Jordan souvenirs".  The fifth link was to Lonely Planet. 
>www.lonelyplanet.com/jordan/shopping/souvenir-gifts Clicking on it 
>caused a crash with "Please attach log file" etc.  Using the
>bug tracker proved tricky as it wouldn't upload the log file: "Failed 
>to open/read local data from file/application".  So I'm reporting it 
>here.
>
>It's a reproducible bug.

I've reproduced the crash.  It appears to be the same as bug 2367, so
I've added a note and the resulting log file.

I don't understand why you were unable to upload the log file.  It
works every time for me.  I did it just now with CI#3000.

The bug appears to be caused by stacking a null node.  The next bit
of code attempts to use the node and thus causes a null reference.

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Re: Problems with bug reporting

[Dave Higton]

In message <d7b7b31555.pnyo...@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk>
  Peter Young <pnyo...@ormail.co.uk> wrote:

>On 20 Oct 2015  Harriet Bazley <li...@orange.wingsandbeaks.org.uk> 
>wrote:
>
>> On 20 Oct 2015 as I do recall,
>>   Andrew Pinder  wrote:
>
>>> In message <2682a91555.davem...@my.inbox.com>
>>>  on 20 Oct 2015 Dave Higton <d...@davehigton.me.uk> wrote:
>
>> [snip]
>
>>>> I don't understand why you were unable to upload the log file.  It
>>>> works every time for me.  I did it just now with CI#3000.
>>>
>>> Maybe because I was doing it with NetSurf itself on this ARMini rather
>>> than via a PC?
>>>
>> I successfully uploaded a log file this morning using Netsurf on Iyonix -
>> must have been something more local to you :-(
>
>Or is it the problem that I've come across in the past, that the bug 
>reporter wouldn't accept an attachment over a certain size? Since I 
>came across this, I've always send the logfile in a zip.

It should be normal practice to send it zipped.

Anyway, a fix has just been checked in for bug 2367.

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Bug 2367

[Dave Higton]

Netsurf CI version #3001 (freshly cooked!) fixes bug 2367.  NS should
now crash on rather less sites.

I claim no credit.

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Re: Problems with bug reporting

[Dave Higton]

In message <782eae1555.andrew-...@waitrose.com>
  Andrew Pinder <andrew.pin...@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:

>In message <2682a91555.davem...@my.inbox.com>
> on 20 Oct 2015 Dave Higton <d...@davehigton.me.uk> wrote:
>
>> I've reproduced the crash.  It appears to be the same as bug 2367, so
>> I've added a note and the resulting log file.
>
>Thanks
>
>> I don't understand why you were unable to upload the log file.  It
>> works every time for me.  I did it just now with CI#3000.
>
>Maybe because I was doing it with NetSurf itself on this ARMini rather 
>than via a PC?

Like I said, I uploaded the file today using CI#3000.  That's on an
Iyonix running RO 5.22.  Netsurf works perfectly well with Mantis
for me - and for numerous others too.

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Re: #2988 hanging

[Dave Higton]

On Mon, 12 Oct 2015 22:37:33 +0100 Dave Higton wrote:

> In message <f402891155.ga...@wra1th.plus.com>
>   Gavin Wraith <ga...@wra1th.plus.com> wrote:
> 
> >Twice in succession now I have found that NetSurf #2988, with
> >Javascript disabled, hangs when I try to browse
> >http://kenodoxia.blogspot.com/ .
> >This is on an Rpi 2 with RO 5.23.
> >When I switch on again I check the SD card with
> >DiscKnight. On the first occasion there were 9
> >faults. Mend them with DiscKnight and try again.
> >The same happens, but the second time there were
> >11 faults. After mending the second time I recheck
> >the SD card. SD card OK.
> 
> 2988 has huge amounts of logging enabled.  Get 2992 - that works
> with the URL above.
> 
> You probably broke NS while it was in the middle of writing the
> log file.  Generating the log file takes ages - you think it's
> crashed, but it's just very busy.

There's another point worth making here.  If you think NS has
crashed, use Alt-Break.  Note: NEVER use Ctrl-Break, various
RISC OS luminaries class it as Evil and say it Breaks Discs.

I used Alt-Break on 2988 early yesterday evening because I
also thought it had crashed.  My disc is fine.

Some of the NS builds recently have had detailed logging
enabled by accident (one of the developers committed a
change that he didn't intend to), and I can see that it
might happen again, so please be aware of what to do if
it should happen again: Alt-Break.

FWIW I've used lots of CI builds of NS, and I've never
had one that failed to respond correctly to Alt-Break.

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Re: #2988 hanging

[Dave Higton]

On Tue, 13 Oct 2015 13:30:09 +0100 Tim Hill wrote:

> This is from my obey file Boot:choices.boot.tasks.Tim's
> 
> | next line disables ctrl/break; use reset. see message
> | 
> Fx 247 169 0

Lest the comment in the snippet above should mislead anybody:

Don't use Reset.  Use Alt-Break if multi-tasking stops.

To clarify: Alt-Break will almost certainly give you back
control.  Reset definitely won't.

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Re: #2988 hanging

[Dave Higton]

On Tue, 13 Oct 2015 13:09:27 +0100 George Greenfield wrote:

> I must confess to having used Ctrl-Break from time to time, when faced
> with a frozen desktop, without evident ill-effects. Is it considered
> worse than powering-off at the switch, which is the only other option
> AFAIK?

Probably, although I'm not really qualified to answer.

If the mouse cursor still moves in response to the mouse, the best
bet is Alt-Break.  This is the most relevant suggestion in this
context, i.e. NetSurf, because I don't think I have ever observed
NetSurf kill the desktop to the point where the mouse cursor stops
responding.

It's not quite a direct answer to your question, but I hope it
steers you towards the best thing to do when using NetSurf and
you see the apparently infinite hourglass.  (And I hope it also
steers you away from something that is known to be bad.)

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Re: #2988 hanging

[Dave Higton]

In message 
  Gavin Wraith  wrote:

>Twice in succession now I have found that NetSurf #2988, with
>Javascript disabled, hangs when I try to browse
>http://kenodoxia.blogspot.com/ .
>This is on an Rpi 2 with RO 5.23.
>When I switch on again I check the SD card with
>DiscKnight. On the first occasion there were 9
>faults. Mend them with DiscKnight and try again.
>The same happens, but the second time there were
>11 faults. After mending the second time I recheck
>the SD card. SD card OK.

2988 has huge amounts of logging enabled.  Get 2992 - that works
with the URL above.

You probably broke NS while it was in the middle of writing the
log file.  Generating the log file takes ages - you think it's
crashed, but it's just very busy.

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Re: New Netsurf - improved Javascript stability

[Dave Higton]

On Tue, 29 Sep 2015 13:39:02 +0100 Jim Nagel wrote:

> Dave Higton  wrote on 21 Sep:
> 
>> I downloaded the latest CI build of NS yesterday.  There hasn't been
>> one for quite a while.  I noticed that it doesn't crash when opening a
>> sport page of the BBC News website, for example.  This is a big
>> improvement.
>> I think we're seeing evidence of big changes within Netsurf.
> 
> Anybody concur?
> 
> I'm on #2935 (Aug 25) and have been suffering a great many sites that
> time out with no display at all.  Sometimes hourglassing goes on
> forever and there's nothing for it but Alt-Break to kill Netsurf.
> Some of these cases will succeed if I relaunch Netsurf, switch off
> Javascript from its iconbar menu, and only then reload the site.

I still get that, yes.

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New Netsurf - improved Javascript stability

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I downloaded the latest CI build of NS yesterday.  There hasn't been one
for quite a while.  I noticed that it doesn't crash when opening a sport
page of the BBC News website, for example.  This is a big improvement.

I think we're seeing evidence of big changes within Netsurf.

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RE: PLI

[Dave Higton]

On Fri, 28 Aug 2015 12:50:00 +0100 Richard Torrens wrote:

 Doing a list of genealogical notes, I wanted to space them out so there
 was a blank line between each record. So I replaced each LI by PLI.
 
 This does not work in Netsurf - but does in Firefox and Chrome
 
 Is this a bug?
 
 The page in question is
 www.torrens.org.uk/Genealogy/Torrens/DataScot/sasines.html

p opens a paragraph.  You need to close it again afterwards with /p.

Paragraphs are rendered with blank lines between them.

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Re: PLI

[Dave Higton]

In message 1573487451.24097.1440772172686.javamail.zim...@paymentlabs.com
  Malcolm A. Hussain-Gambles malc...@paymentlabs.com wrote:

 I've noticed whilst doing some html work that netsurf will barf/break where
 other browsers don't. It's always down to a fault with my html, that's one
 of the many reasons I'm now using netsurf for development work, then
 testing with other browsers. It only used to be IE that auto-corrected
 badly formed html, it's sad Chrome and Firefox are now up to those dirty
 tricks too. So I would say it is definitely a very bad browser bug, just
 not in Netsurf ;-)

You (all) do make use of the W3C validator, I presume?

http://validator.w3.org/

I find it very useful.  It works with Netsurf, of course.

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Re: El Reg formats differently these days - why?

[Dave Higton]

In message 55dc56b6.6060...@netsurf-browser.org
  Michael Drake t...@netsurf-browser.org wrote:

 
 
 On 21/08/15 19:36, Dave Higton wrote:
  NS used to render The Register in three columns, like other browsers.
  Recently it renders with each line of three headings broken over two
  lines, with the additional oddity that some single items appear left
  justified and some appear centred.  Go to http://www.theregister.co.uk
  and you'll see.
 
 They changed the way they did the layout, exposing a layout issue in
 NetSurf.
 
 NetSurf CI builds from 2934 contain a fix.

Indeed it's back to three columns now.

My thanks to you - and it's a handy reminder to repeat my thanks to
the whole NS team for your continued sterling work.

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Re: El Reg formats differently these days - why?

[Dave Higton]

In message 3ab151f754.davem...@my.inbox.com
  Dave Higton d...@davehigton.me.uk wrote:

In message nsc50f37f754.b...@yo.rk
  Bryn Evans nets...@bryork.freeuk.com wrote:

In a mad moment - Dave Higton  mumbled :

 NS used to render The Register in three columns, like other browsers.
 Recently it renders with each line of three headings broken over two
 lines, with the additional oddity that some single items appear left
 justified and some appear centred.  Go to http://www.theregister.co.uk
 and you'll see.

 I thought it was caused by a change to NS, but I just went back to a
 version from June (which, I'm sure, is before it started happening),
 and it's just the same.

 So I have to assume that El Reg have changed their layout in some way.

 The HTML is beyond my comprehension.  Can anyone else explain what's
 going on?

it is the same using Firefox and Linux, so i guess they have made
a cockup of some change - It happened mid week.

???

Not here, it isn't - FF 40.0, Ubuntu 14.04 fully up to date.

Nor is it on my mobile phone (Android).  Still the same old three
columns, and it does appear to be the desktop site rather than a
special mobile version.

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Re: El Reg formats differently these days - why?

[Dave Higton]

In message nsc50f37f754.b...@yo.rk
  Bryn Evans nets...@bryork.freeuk.com wrote:

In a mad moment - Dave Higton  mumbled :

 NS used to render The Register in three columns, like other browsers.
 Recently it renders with each line of three headings broken over two
 lines, with the additional oddity that some single items appear left
 justified and some appear centred.  Go to http://www.theregister.co.uk
 and you'll see.

 I thought it was caused by a change to NS, but I just went back to a
 version from June (which, I'm sure, is before it started happening),
 and it's just the same.

 So I have to assume that El Reg have changed their layout in some way.

 The HTML is beyond my comprehension.  Can anyone else explain what's
 going on?

it is the same using Firefox and Linux, so i guess they have made
a cockup of some change - It happened mid week.

???

Not here, it isn't - FF 40.0, Ubuntu 14.04 fully up to date.

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Re: Error on Yahoo news

[Dave Higton]

In message 00110f20.031e94909...@smtp.freeola.net
  Peter Slegg p.sl...@scubadivers.co.uk wrote:


This url  uk.news.yahoo.com  just gives me the error
Could not process this GET request.

This is on Atari build 2915.

Just wondered if it is repeatable for others.

I'm using RISC OS build 2921, and it doesn't happen here.

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Something went wrong between 2873 and 2874

[Dave Higton]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/athletics/33867962 causes NS to silently
evaporate from CI 2874 onwards - up to 2873 is OK.

I have reported it.

2874 onwards also fails to view the report in Mantis - which gives
another URL to try.

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Re: Slashdot strangeness

[Dave Higton]

In message 54f0139c76bbai...@argonet.co.uk
  Brian bbai...@argonet.co.uk wrote:

In article cd6a0ef054.davem...@my.inbox.com,
   Dave Higton d...@davehigton.me.uk wrote:
 In message 54e917b892bbai...@argonet.co.uk
   Brian bbai...@argonet.co.uk wrote:

 In article 68c6ebe854.davem...@my.inbox.com,
Dave Higton d...@davehigton.me.uk wrote:
  I've noticed many times recently that sometimes, when I double-click
  the hotlist entry for Slashdot, the window opens, the throbber goes
  round, but nothing arrives, nor does it time out.  When this happens,
  if I click stop, put the caret in the URL bar and press Return, the
  page is fetched.
 
  Does anyone else see the same symptoms?  This is on an Iyonix, RO
  5.22, 512 MiB RAM, and with various recent CI versions (I check for
  a new CI version daily) over at least 2 weeks.
 
  I am aware that Slashdot has had some problems recently (hardware
  failure), though I'd have thought they would be over by now.
 
  I haven't noticed any other site show these symptoms.  It doesn't
  happen every time.
 
  http://slashdot.org
 
  Dave
 
 Yes, it does that here too. VRPC, RISC OS 4.02.

Still happening here! #2869 

 Just to bring this to a close, from my POV anyway...

 I didn't want to raise a bug report until I had something more
 substantial for the developers to work on - after all, the symptoms
 could have been caused by a local problem.  However, more recent
 builds haven't exhibited the problem at all.

And what do you know - today I'm seeing the problem again.  There's
a window open on Slashdot as I type this - it's been open a while
now; no action, no timeout either.  The throbber is still throbbing.

I'll have to raise a bug report.  I just wish I could in some way
be more specific.  Still, a site that does it fairly consistently
is a good start.

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Re: Slashdot strangeness

[Dave Higton]

In message 61139cf054.davem...@my.inbox.com
  Dave Higton d...@davehigton.me.uk wrote:

In message 54f0139c76bbai...@argonet.co.uk
  Brian bbai...@argonet.co.uk wrote:

In article cd6a0ef054.davem...@my.inbox.com,
   Dave Higton d...@davehigton.me.uk wrote:
 In message 54e917b892bbai...@argonet.co.uk
   Brian bbai...@argonet.co.uk wrote:

 In article 68c6ebe854.davem...@my.inbox.com,
Dave Higton d...@davehigton.me.uk wrote:
  I've noticed many times recently that sometimes, when I double-click
  the hotlist entry for Slashdot, the window opens, the throbber goes
  round, but nothing arrives, nor does it time out.  When this happens,
  if I click stop, put the caret in the URL bar and press Return, the
  page is fetched.
 
  Does anyone else see the same symptoms?  This is on an Iyonix, RO
  5.22, 512 MiB RAM, and with various recent CI versions (I check for
  a new CI version daily) over at least 2 weeks.
 
  I am aware that Slashdot has had some problems recently (hardware
  failure), though I'd have thought they would be over by now.
 
  I haven't noticed any other site show these symptoms.  It doesn't
  happen every time.
 
  http://slashdot.org
 
  Dave
 
 Yes, it does that here too. VRPC, RISC OS 4.02.

Still happening here! #2869 

 Just to bring this to a close, from my POV anyway...

 I didn't want to raise a bug report until I had something more
 substantial for the developers to work on - after all, the symptoms
 could have been caused by a local problem.  However, more recent
 builds haven't exhibited the problem at all.

And what do you know - today I'm seeing the problem again.  There's
a window open on Slashdot as I type this - it's been open a while
now; no action, no timeout either.  The throbber is still throbbing.

I'll have to raise a bug report.  I just wish I could in some way
be more specific.  Still, a site that does it fairly consistently
is a good start.

Issue 2342.

If anyone else has seen the same symptoms, please chime in.

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Re: Slashdot strangeness

[Dave Higton]

In message 54e917b892bbai...@argonet.co.uk
  Brian bbai...@argonet.co.uk wrote:

In article 68c6ebe854.davem...@my.inbox.com,
   Dave Higton d...@davehigton.me.uk wrote:
 I've noticed many times recently that sometimes, when I double-click
 the hotlist entry for Slashdot, the window opens, the throbber goes
 round, but nothing arrives, nor does it time out.  When this happens,
 if I click stop, put the caret in the URL bar and press Return, the
 page is fetched.

 Does anyone else see the same symptoms?  This is on an Iyonix, RO
 5.22, 512 MiB RAM, and with various recent CI versions (I check for
 a new CI version daily) over at least 2 weeks.

 I am aware that Slashdot has had some problems recently (hardware
 failure), though I'd have thought they would be over by now.

 I haven't noticed any other site show these symptoms.  It doesn't
 happen every time.

 http://slashdot.org

 Dave

Yes, it does that here too. VRPC, RISC OS 4.02. 

Just to bring this to a close, from my POV anyway...

I didn't want to raise a bug report until I had something more
substantial for the developers to work on - after all, the symptoms
could have been caused by a local problem.  However, more recent
builds haven't exhibited the problem at all.

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Slashdot strangeness

[Dave Higton]

I've noticed many times recently that sometimes, when I double-click
the hotlist entry for Slashdot, the window opens, the throbber goes
round, but nothing arrives, nor does it time out.  When this happens,
if I click stop, put the caret in the URL bar and press Return, the
page is fetched.

Does anyone else see the same symptoms?  This is on an Iyonix, RO
5.22, 512 MiB RAM, and with various recent CI versions (I check for
a new CI version daily) over at least 2 weeks.

I am aware that Slashdot has had some problems recently (hardware
failure), though I'd have thought they would be over by now.

I haven't noticed any other site show these symptoms.  It doesn't
happen every time.

http://slashdot.org

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Re: Can't access email at www.libero.it

[Dave Higton]

On Wed, 08 Jul 2015 21:07:03 +0100 Rodolfo wrote:

 Harriet Bazley li...@orange.wingsandbeaks.org.uk writes:
 
 On 8 Jul 2015 as I do recall,
   Rodolfo Medina  wrote:
 
 Hi all Netsurf users.
 
 Since other web browsers like Firefox are too heavy for my old ones
 Huyndai
 laptop and Pentium III, I want to try Netsurf but have the problem that
 it
 won't access my email account at www.libero.it.  When I try to, it
 redirects
 me
 again and again on the login page and form.  The same problm occurs
 also with
 other browsers like w3m, Lynx, Dillo.  Please help whoever can.
 
 It looks as if there is supposed to be a captcha box displayed on the
 log-in
 page https://login.libero.it/logincheck.php but Netsurf isn't showing
 it.
 (There seem to be other bits of the page implemented via JavaScript as
 well.)
 
 So there's no solution?

Netsurf does not yet have Javascript support, so there won't be a
solution until it does.

It's Netsurf's biggest limitation.  Javascript has become a hugely
important language.  It used to be sneered at, many years ago, but
is nowadays just as important as HTML.

(Whether it /ought/ to be as important as it is, is a debate for
elsewhere.  De facto, it is in very wide use, and many sites don't
offer a working - or fully working - alternative.)

Dave


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RE: !Fetch_NS

[Dave Higton]

On Mon, 06 Jul 2015 19:55:49 +0100 Richard Torrens wrote:

 Success!
 
 curl 7.11.0 seems to be the latst version. It doesn't like ARMv7
 
 Wget 1.15 i the latest version and works. I had an old wget!

On my BBxM it worked after I changed:

1) to use wget instead of curl;

2) to fix the issue of the missing dot in the path starting with
Root$Dir because my definition of Root$Dir has no trailing dot.

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Re: !Fetch_NS

[Dave Higton]

In message 54dde90eceli...@torrens.org.uk
  Richard Torrens (lists) li...@torrens.org.uk wrote:

 Has anyone got Fetch_NS running on an ARMX6?
 
 I have tried curl and wget. Neither does the job. Both do not open a task
 window, so I cannot see progress and nothing appears to happpen. However
 both cause an error window to open sometime after firing up.
 
 With wget, the error is Incorrectly formatted filename at line 24 but
 what program is running is not stated and I have no idea where to look.
 
 Later.. I have found that removing the Do from the line in !Run which
 reads:
 
 TaskWindow Do Fetch_NS$App Fetch_NS$UrlLATEST Fetch_NS$Opt
 Fetch_NS$Choices.LATEST -wimpslot 2048k -name Fetch LATEST file data
 -quit
 
 allows the taskwindow to open. I'll keep probing.

I've never managed to get it to run on my BBxM, although it does so
without problem on my Iyo.

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Re: More disc cache improvements

[Dave Higton]

In message 20150508154706.gb2...@kyllikki.org
  Vincent Sanders vi...@netsurf-browser.org wrote:

I would like these two lines from the logfile along with the OS and
hardware spec of the system. E.g. RISC OS 5 on Iyonix with FAT
formatted hard drive or ROOL beta on Raspberry Pi 2 with FAT
formatted SD card

(7033.74) content/fs_backing_store.c finalise 1613: Cache 
total/hit/miss/fail (counts) 2461/687/1774/0 (100%/27%/72%/0%)
(7033.74) content/llcache.c llcache_finalise 3361: Backing store wrote 
22931046 bytes in 0 ms average 71300 bytes/second

Iyonix, RISC OS 5.22, 38 GiB spinning rust, Filecore formatted. NS 2774.

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Re: Hot List

[Dave Higton]

On Thu, 30 Apr 2015 09:02:42 +0100 Stuart Winsor wrote:

 I just wish I was able to work on NetSurf because I think it is the one
 piece of software that everybody in RO land uses and is the most
 beneficial to the community as a whole. It is also the achilles-heel that
 deters new adopters and causes people to move to other OSs.
 
 Unfortunately, a little 8085 assembler for an OU course in
 microprocessors
 and a few simple programs in Basic, back in the early days of the model
 B,
 form the limits of my programming skills.

My uncle trained many years ago in Adult Education.  One thing he said
has always stuck with me: that adults possess no less ability to learn
than do children.

I've become aware over the years since then that the big difference
between children and adults is their attitude.  No-one tells children
that they can't learn, and so they go through all their childhood
years learning at an astonishing rate.  Then something happens, and
they persuade themselves (or each other) that learning is no longer
possible.

Perhaps one force is the fear of the embarrassment of failure.  In my
career, I'm used to trial and error: usually almost as much error as
trial, bearing in mind the number of trials that have to be gone
through on the way to a single success!  Don't be embarrassed, just
learn what to do next time.

I'm in my mid sixties, and learning new things is something I enjoy.

To anyone who thinks they can't learn something new, I would commend
a change of attitude.  Be positive.  Think in terms of what you might
be able to do - if only you try.

Try, and you might succeed.  Don't try, and you certainly won't
succeed.

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Re: Hot List

[Dave Higton]

In message 54bc7ed240bbai...@argonet.co.uk
  Brian bbai...@argonet.co.uk wrote:

 would it be practicable to sponsor support of the the RISC OS side of
 NetSurf under the ROOL sponsorship scheme? I should be glad to contribute
 if such a scheme were to be implemented.

Financial incentives don't appear to have made any difference so far.

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Re: NS serious error

[Dave Higton]

In message 3a0d1fa354.geo...@tiscali..co.uk
  george greenfield george.greenfi...@tiscali.co.uk wrote:

In message mpro.nl38hk01lz08z01mw.pit...@pittdj.co.uk
  David Pitt pit...@pittdj.co.uk wrote:

 Dave Higton, on 11 Mar, wrote:

 In message 55931.82.153.33.53.1426101904.squir...@email.orpheusnet.co.uk
   Gerald Dodson gerald.dod...@argonet.co.uk wrote:

   In message
  52388.82.153.33.53.1425934245.squir...@email.orpheusnet.co.uk
Gerald Dodson gerald.dod...@argonet.co.uk wrote:
 
In trying to access:
www.hl.co.uk/shares-search-results/i/iberdrola-sa-eur-0.75 NS has a
serious error and must exit. Iyo 5.18 NS 2641 I would try ths on the
other Iyo but again I think the vga output i not
working.
Any one else get te same?

   I just tried it.  No crash.  Sorry, the page you are looking for
   cannot be found.  Is this what we should see, or is there a mistake
   in the URL above?

  There is a mistake. I omitted a second /shares
 
  Correct URL is:
 
  www.hl.co.uk/shares/shares-search-results/i/iberdrola-sa-eu-0.75
 
  sorry for the error

 This can't be found either.

 The page is :-

 http://www.hl.co.uk/shares/shares-search-results/i/iberdrola-sa-eur-0.75

 The crash will appear reasonably promptly with JavaScript disabled and after
 a delay if JavaScript is enabled.

 Bug reported.

I can confirm the JS-disabled and JS-enabled behaviour described above.

NS 3.3 CI #2641, RaspPi B, 512MB RO 5.21 [RC12, 12-Jan-15]

I can confirm it with CI #2648, Iyonix, 512 MiB.

I see the bug is already reported, with a crash dump, so I'm assuming
that another crash dump won't add anything useful.

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Re: Submit buttons don't send the button name

[Dave Higton]

On Mon, 09 Mar 2015 22:01:38 GMT Dave Higton wrote:

 In message 20150309204231.gi3...@kyllikki.org you wrote:
 
 On Mon, Mar 09, 2015 at 08:21:29PM +, Dave Higton wrote:
 In message 9458d4a054.davem...@my.inbox.com
   Dave Higton d...@davehigton.me.uk wrote:
 
 While writing a web server for my heating controller, I've realised
 that Netsurf doesn't send the name of a submit button that has been
 clicked in a form, unlike other browsers.
 
 For example, when the form is called view_specials and the button
 is called next, other browsers return a string including:
 
 view_specials?button=next
 
 Whereas Netsurf returns just:
 
 view_specials?
 
 Is this an expected deficiency?  If not, it's clearly wrong, so I'll
 extract a suitable fragment of HTML and post a bug report.
 
 No-one has responded, so I've raised a bug report.
 
 Apologies, I was juggling the release with trying to squash a series
 of nasty crashing bugs and missed the mail.
 
 However, yes submitting a bug is almost always the correct answer, we
 can always triage it and close it if necessary but we miss stuff if it
 is not there.
 
 I might take a look but dunno if it will make 3.3 or not.
 
 OK, thanks.  It is a missing bit of functionality.  I wasn't sure
 whether it was related to Warning - this button cannot be
 activated or a deficiency that has no immediate plan to fix.

Thank you for fixing it, remarkably promptly.  I was able to verify
the fix in the version I downloaded about 17:20 yesterday (2646 IIRC)
and demonstrate it working at the SROUG meeting a little later.

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Re: NS serious error

[Dave Higton]

In message 55931.82.153.33.53.1426101904.squir...@email.orpheusnet.co.uk
  Gerald Dodson gerald.dod...@argonet.co.uk wrote:

 In message
52388.82.153.33.53.1425934245.squir...@email.orpheusnet.co.uk
   Gerald Dodson gerald.dod...@argonet.co.uk wrote:

In trying to access:
www.hl.co.uk/shares-search-results/i/iberdrola-sa-eur-0.75
NS has a serious error and must exit.
Iyo 5.18
NS 2641
I would try ths on the other Iyo but again I think the vga output i not
working.
Any one else get te same?

 I just tried it.  No crash.  Sorry, the page you are looking for cannot
be found.  Is this what we should see, or is there a mistake in the URL
above?

 Iyonix, 5.20, 512 MiB.

 Dave

There is a mistake. I omitted a second /shares

Correct URL is:

www.hl.co.uk/shares/shares-search-results/i/iberdrola-sa-eu-0.75

sorry for the error

This can't be found either.

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Re: Submit buttons don't send the button name

[Dave Higton]

In message 20150309204231.gi3...@kyllikki.org you wrote:

On Mon, Mar 09, 2015 at 08:21:29PM +, Dave Higton wrote:
 In message 9458d4a054.davem...@my.inbox.com
   Dave Higton d...@davehigton.me.uk wrote:
 
 While writing a web server for my heating controller, I've realised
 that Netsurf doesn't send the name of a submit button that has been
 clicked in a form, unlike other browsers.
 
 For example, when the form is called view_specials and the button
 is called next, other browsers return a string including:
 
 view_specials?button=next
 
 Whereas Netsurf returns just:
 
 view_specials?
 
 Is this an expected deficiency?  If not, it's clearly wrong, so I'll
 extract a suitable fragment of HTML and post a bug report.
 
 No-one has responded, so I've raised a bug report.

Apologies, I was juggling the release with trying to squash a series
of nasty crashing bugs and missed the mail.

However, yes submitting a bug is almost always the correct answer, we
can always triage it and close it if necessary but we miss stuff if it
is not there.

I might take a look but dunno if it will make 3.3 or not.

OK, thanks.  It is a missing bit of functionality.  I wasn't sure
whether it was related to Warning - this button cannot be
activated or a deficiency that has no immediate plan to fix.

Anyway: thanks for fixing bug 410.  I see the entire line is now
sensitive, which is more sensible and is probably a slight
simplification of the code - you only have to check the Y position!

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Re: NS serious error

[Dave Higton]

In message 52388.82.153.33.53.1425934245.squir...@email.orpheusnet.co.uk
  Gerald Dodson gerald.dod...@argonet.co.uk wrote:

In trying to access:

www.hl.co.uk/shares-search-results/i/iberdrola-sa-eur-0.75

NS has a serious error and must exit.

Iyo 5.18
NS 2641

I would try ths on the other Iyo but again I think the vga output i not
working.

Any one else get te same?

I just tried it.  No crash.  Sorry, the page you are looking for
cannot be found.  Is this what we should see, or is there a mistake
in the URL above?

Iyonix, 5.20, 512 MiB.

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Re: Submit buttons don't send the button name

[Dave Higton]

In message 9458d4a054.davem...@my.inbox.com
  Dave Higton d...@davehigton.me.uk wrote:

While writing a web server for my heating controller, I've realised
that Netsurf doesn't send the name of a submit button that has been
clicked in a form, unlike other browsers.

For example, when the form is called view_specials and the button
is called next, other browsers return a string including:

view_specials?button=next

Whereas Netsurf returns just:

view_specials?

Is this an expected deficiency?  If not, it's clearly wrong, so I'll
extract a suitable fragment of HTML and post a bug report.

No-one has responded, so I've raised a bug report.

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Submit buttons don't send the button name

[Dave Higton]

While writing a web server for my heating controller, I've realised
that Netsurf doesn't send the name of a submit button that has been
clicked in a form, unlike other browsers.

For example, when the form is called view_specials and the button
is called next, other browsers return a string including:

view_specials?button=next

Whereas Netsurf returns just:

view_specials?

Is this an expected deficiency?  If not, it's clearly wrong, so I'll
extract a suitable fragment of HTML and post a bug report.

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RE: Malformed site (partly OT).

[Dave Higton]

On Thu, 19 Feb 2015 08:01:50 GMT Peter Young wrote:
 I maintain the website of the local branch of the Multiple Sclerosis
 Society, at www.mssociety.org.uk/cheltenham (NB I am only responsible
 for the content, not the formatting). From time to time the site gets
 seriously malformed in RISC OS NetSurf, and then a few days later goes
 back to what is should be. Screenshots of this are at
 http://pnyoung.orpheusweb.co.uk/Chrome.jpg as it should be in Chrome on
 Windows and
 http://pnyoung.orpheusweb.co.uk/NetSurf.jpg as it was yesterday in
 NetSurf #2600, but it's back to how it should be this morning! Same
 NetSurf build.

Isn't this what happens when a site doesn't respond quickly enough
and Netsurf times out getting later parts of the site?

(Not to blame the site for the delay - it could equally be any part
of the network between the site and NS.)

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Re: NetSurf-gcc-json-2553

[Dave Higton]

On Tue, 27 Jan 2015 19:07:39 GMT Brian Howlett wrote:

 On 27 Jan, Gavin Wraith wrote:
 
 NetSurf-gcc-json-2553 crashes on http://www.independent.co.uk/ ,
 with Javascript disabled in choices. Platform RPi (RO 5.21).
 
 Same here with 5.20 on Iyonix with JS on.

Brian and Gavin, would you be able and willing to try CI versions
2541 and 2542 with that site?  I suspect you'll find that 2541 is
OK and 2542 not.

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Re: NetSurf-gcc-json-2553

[Dave Higton]

On Wed, 28 Jan 2015 09:35:49 GMT Gavin Wraith wrote:

 In message 8a7f807ccd2.0bf3d...@davehigton.me.uk
   Dave Higton d...@davehigton.me.uk wrote:
 
 Brian and Gavin, would you be able and willing to try CI versions
 2541 and 2542 with that site?  I suspect you'll find that 2541 is
 OK and 2542 not.
 
 Yes, that is just what I found - with Rpi RO 5.21. I will revert to using
 2541.

The evidence suggests that something went wrong between 2541 and 2542, and
has remained wrong since.  I see that Michael Drake is on the case, so I'm
sure it won't be long before it's resolved.

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Re: NetSurf-gcc-json-2553

[Dave Higton]

In message 4b92328d54.br...@bhowlett.plus.net
  Brian Howlett brian.gro...@brianhowlett.me.uk wrote:

On 28 Jan, Dave Higton wrote:

 The evidence suggests that something went wrong between 2541 and 2542, and
 has remained wrong since. I see that Michael Drake is on the case, so I'm
 sure it won't be long before it's resolved.

Not crashing in CI #2557

Agreed!  Thanks again to Michael and all the Netsurf team.

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Re: NetSurf-gcc-json-2553

[Dave Higton]

In message d171ac8c54.ga...@gavin.wra1th.plus.com
  Gavin Wraith ga...@wra1th.plus.com wrote:

NetSurf-gcc-json-2553 crashes on http://www.independent.co.uk/ ,
with Javascript disabled in choices. Platform RPi (RO 5.21).

I've just tried it with 2541 and 2542 on an Iyonix.  2541 is OK, 2542
crashes.

See bug 2262.

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Re: Page timeout

[Dave Higton]

In message 0005d763.01ffd4901...@smtp.freeola.net
  Peter Slegg p.sl...@scubadivers.co.uk wrote:

When I tried the page below it just times-out and never
renders any of the page, it didn't even leave Bing, where
I found the link.

https://www.gov.uk/bank-holidays

Does it do this for anyone else ?

Works fine for me, RISC OS 3.3 (Dev CI #2509) on Iyonix.

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RE: Raspberry-Pi B+ problem

[Dave Higton]

On Wed, 10 Dec 2014 12:41:02 + (GMT) Richard Torrens wrote:

[snip]
 I have had the SD card replaced, and th eR-Pi itself. I have also almost
 entirely eliminated the power supply as a problem.

What about the power supply cable?  Have you eliminated that too?

Your problems look very much as if they are caused by low power supply
voltage.  Can you measure what voltage appears within the RPi?

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RE: [Fwd: A curious case of attachment filetyping]

[Dave Higton]

On Wed, 3 Dec 2014 11:35:59 - (UTC) Dr. John Nurley wrote:

 I am not sure where this should go so will post to ARMini and Netsurf
 lists. On Friday I could send attachments (as .doc files and .pdf) quite
 normally from the ARMini X using Netsurf 3.2. On Tues they are not being
 sent as applications but as text files. In that time nothing has changed
 bar a problem with my Orpheus account but this is ruled out as the cause
 as both the Iyonix and my Mac and PC laptop can send attachments
 normally.

I'm confused.  Attachments normally refers to email, which would
appear to have nothing to do with Netsurf.

Can you please give more detail about what you're doing and how
you're doing it?

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RE: Continuous disc activity when NetSurf running (RISC OS)

[Dave Higton]

On Mon, 01 Dec 2014 08:20:43 GMT Peter Young wrote:

 Has any other user of RISC OS NetSurf found that there is continuous
 disc activity while a development build is running? I've just reported
 this on the bug tracker.

Yes, I noticed it last night.

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Re: Continuous disc activity when NetSurf running (RISC OS)

[Dave Higton]

On Mon, 01 Dec 2014 10:26:29 + (GMT) John Williams write:

 In article cbcf176f54.pnyo...@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk,
Peter Young pnyo...@ormail.co.uk wrote:
 
 Has any other user of RISC OS NetSurf found that there is continuous
 disc activity while a development build is running? I've just reported
 this on the bug tracker.
 
 #2410 seems OK, so after that version.

When I saw it happen last night it was with version 2410.

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Re: Avaaz fails to open

[Dave Higton]

In message 54471a2790ch...@chris-johnson.org.uk
  cj ch...@chris-johnson.org.uk wrote:

In article 5446f4c9decvj...@waitrose.com,
   Chris Newman cvj...@waitrose.com wrote:

 https://secure.avaaz.org/en/100_clean_final/?blWdqbbsignup=1cl=5812635881v=45416

 fails to open  in 3.3 (#2106), or 3.2 but does open in 2.9. albeit
 with lots of warnings about safety certificates.

Seems to load ok here using #2107, also did earlier with #2105.

Fails for me here with 2107 (Iyonix, RO 5.20); lots of hour glasses,
nothing gets written to the window within any reasonable time.  And,
of course, if I just shut the window, NS crashes.  Every time.  (But
the latter is a long standing bug in the RO version.)

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Re: password manager

[Dave Higton]

In message 59e2364654@abbeypress.net
  Jim Nagel nets...@abbeypress.co.uk wrote:

Dave Higton  wrote on 12 Sep (his tagline to a post in a diff thread,
dropzone on a web page:

 
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Trouble is, this gives a Windows .exe file.
(Dave, do you recommend this in your Windows work, or
is it just something appended by your email provider?)

It's just something appended by my email provider.  I'm a cheapskate.
I use a free service.  That's the cost of free.

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Re: dropzone on a web page

[Dave Higton]

In message 6ef3fd4554@abbeypress.net
  Jim Nagel nets...@abbeypress.co.uk wrote:

Is this a new ability that has come along with Netsurf 3.2?  Yaaay.

I have no idea whether the functionality is the same, but Netsurf
has worked with the W3C Validation Service http://validator.w3.org/
for years.  I have always dragged my HTML to the Validate by File
Upload box.

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Re: Selecting text gone crazy

[Dave Higton]

In message mpro.n94rp6003uaoa021j.nets...@ypical-daemon.co.uk
  Fred Bambrough nets...@ypical-daemon.co.uk wrote:

In message f873582b54.iyoj...@rickman.argonet.co.uk
 John Rickman Iyonix rick...@argonet.co.uk wrote:

 #2023 when I try to select some text as soon as I click on the page
 everything from the click to the end of the article is highlit.
 
 This has been happening since at least #1980
 
 Is anyone else seeing this?
 
 (Iyonix RISC OS 5.21 9 July)
 

Same here. BB -xM RISC OS 5.21 21 July NS 1024

I've had this sometimes, but I can't guarantee to be able to reproduce
the symptoms.  I agree that it started to happen a few weeks ago.

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Re: Bug reporting

[Dave Higton]

On Wed, 09 Jul 2014 11:51:10 +0100 Richard Porter wrote:

 On 8 Jul 2014 Dave Higton  wrote:
 
 The first thing the bug tracker asks is Category, which is a
 list of platforms from which I have to choose one, indicating
 that the bug is specific to a platform.
 
 But, since I only have one platform, how do I know if what I'm
 reporting is specific to that platform?
 
 You don't but the developers may need to know what platform you are
 running on. I take it to mean hardware platform since the OS and
 version are asked for separately.

OK, but that's not what it actually says.  The options under
Category are:

ABEND
Amiga-specific
Atari-specific
BeOS-specific
Cocoa-sepcific
Framebuffer-specific
GTK-specific
Javascript
Layout
RISC OS-specific
Win32-specific
[All Projects] General

I, as a user of a single OS, cannot tell whether the problem is
specific to that OS, yet the field is required input from me.

I don't want to make a big deal out of it, but it does look to
be a misnomer, and I was just looking for some clarification of
its significance to the developers.  I've got it.

AAMOI: what is the ABEND option about?

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Re: 2004: curious behaviour

[Dave Higton]

In message 5424850262brian.jord...@btinternet.com
  Brian Jordan brian.jord...@btinternet.com wrote:

In article 5423a02fbdbrian.jord...@btinternet.com,
   Brian Jordan brian.jord...@btinternet.com wrote:

[Snip]

 Possibly related... I can't put the cursor into the search box in
 www.google.co.uk in 2004 whereas it's OK in 2000.

This and everything else mentioned in this thread appears to be fixed in
2011.

I can confirm it's fixed in 2013.

 My thanks, as always, to the developers.

Mine too!

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Bug reporting

[Dave Higton]

The first thing the bug tracker asks is Category, which is a
list of platforms from which I have to choose one, indicating
that the bug is specific to a platform.

But, since I only have one platform, how do I know if what I'm
reporting is specific to that platform?

How to the developers react to it?  Now that RISC OS is a
minority platform for Netsurf, does it make the developers
take less notice of the report?

Or do the developers take it as simply the platform on which
it was first observed, and find if it's common to other
platforms?

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Re: 2004: curious behaviour

[Dave Higton]

On Mon, 07 Jul 2014 10:13:45 +0100 Brian Jordan wrote:

 In article mpro.n8btb9002psgu059v.pit...@pittdj.co.uk,
David Pitt pit...@pittdj.co.uk wrote:
 Dave Higton, on 6 Jul, wrote:
 
 I noticed, with NS 2004, on the ROOL fora pages, that when I click on
 a link with a hash and then try to scroll up, NS rapidly oscillates
 between redrawing the window at the original location and my chosen
 scrolled-to location.  2000 is OK, 2004 not.
 
 Can someone else please confirm this before I raise a bug report?
 
 Confirmed.
 
 https://www.riscosopen.org/forum/forums/3/topics/2597#posts-32716
 
 I also notice the title bar flickering.
 
 Confirmed here too. This behaviour is seen in 2002 and and 2003 but not
 2000; I don't have a copy of 2001 so can't comment on that build.

Thanks, Brian and David.  Bug 2169 reported.  Refers to this thread.

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2004: curious behaviour

[Dave Higton]

I noticed, with NS 2004, on the ROOL fora pages, that when I click on
a link with a hash and then try to scroll up, NS rapidly oscillates
between redrawing the window at the original location and my chosen
scrolled-to location.  2000 is OK, 2004 not.

Can someone else please confirm this before I raise a bug report?

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Re: Strange rendering of ROOL forum page in 1791

[Dave Higton]

In message 53f5ce54c9ch...@chris-johnson.org.uk
  cj ch...@chris-johnson.org.uk wrote:

In article eb59ccf553.davem...@my.inbox.com,
   Dave Higton d...@davehigton.me.uk wrote:
 Anyone else seen this?

Yes, Dave. Have just repeated that after downloading latest version.
Netsurf #1791, Iyonix 5.21 (30 Mar 2014).

It appears to be fixed in 1793.

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Strange rendering of ROOL forum page in 1791

[Dave Higton]

I'm seeing a strange effect when looking at the ROOL Forum page in
NS 1791 (and not in 1790).  I've seen the page's footer rendered
in the window when it should have been below the bottom of the
window and therefore not visible, and then scroll upwards when
I moved the vertical slug bar down, with other parts of the main
content rendered below the footer.

I swapped back to 1790 and didn't see it, then went forwards to
1791 and saw it again.

The second time with 1791, it wasn't visible at first, but opening
the site again made it render incorrectly again.

Anyone else seen this?

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Re: Strange rendering of ROOL forum page in 1791

[Dave Higton]

In message 53f5ce54c9ch...@chris-johnson.org.uk
  cj ch...@chris-johnson.org.uk wrote:

In article eb59ccf553.davem...@my.inbox.com,
   Dave Higton d...@davehigton.me.uk wrote:
 Anyone else seen this?

Yes, Dave. Have just repeated that after downloading latest version.
Netsurf #1791, Iyonix 5.21 (30 Mar 2014).

Damn, curses, and swear words.

I reported it on Mantis, but Mantis decided I had put in an invalid
entry in the CI field and invited me to use the browser's back
button to go back and fill the correct version in.  Of course, when
I went back, ALL fields were empty.

And, since I don't know exactly what format Mantis requires, and if
I get it wrong again all will be lost again, I'm not going to bother
reporting it.

Mantis and Netsurf don't seem to work well together.

How about this for a suggestion: an example of the correct format
for CI numbers adjacent to the CI box, and a warning that all your
input will be dumped if you don't do it exactly like the example.

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Re: MousAxess

[Dave Higton]

In message mpro.n3koc90bs5f2o01q0.li...@stevefryatt.org.uk
  Steve Fryatt li...@stevefryatt.org.uk wrote:

 On 7 Feb, Brian Jordan wrote in message
 53d648f824brian.jord...@btinternet.com:
 
  In article 53d64596f0li...@torrens.org.uk,
 Richard Torrens (lists) li...@torrens.org.uk wrote:
 
   It's definitely MoussAxess related. I now do RMKill Moussaxess before
   surfing - if I remember!
  
  I reported this at 13:59. I received a confirmatory email at 14:16
  saying the issue has been referred to Steve Fryatt. Apparently the
  problem is:
  
  Caused by failed assertion in RISC OS mouse handling:

I've put an attempt at a fix into CI#1781.

I don't /think/ there will be any unintended consequences, but it would be
good if people could try and break it nonetheless. That's not just
MouseAxess users -- the affected code is called whenever the mouse passes
over a NetSurf window on RISC OS.

I missed 1781, but I don't notice anything untoward - in fact no
difference - in 1782 from previous.  I don't use MouseAxess.

Iyonix, RO 5.20.

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