Re: Searching from the URL text input icon - RISC OS (was:Re: netsurf 2.7 and google-search)
In article <0bd6efc751.r...@user.minijem.plus.com>, Richard Porter wrote: > On 22 Apr 2011 Tim Hill wrote: > > In article > > , > > Chris Young wrote: > >> On Tue, 19 Apr 2011 15:12:23 +0100, Tim Hill wrote: [Snip] > > Um, no. I would rather the search from the RISC OS front end was > > performed from the single text input icon, as I think I said. Having > > a 'search box' alongside it is a waste of screen real-estate as it > > could be performed within existing furniture. > I agree, but why not just put a search box on your local home page? I have, but when you open a NetSurf window, the cursor isn't in the search box, it remains in the URL. Also, it would be just simpler and quicker not to have to load another page just to search from one you have finished with. > My > default startup page has [Snip] Mine has lots of stuff too. http://dev.timil.com ;-) > [snip] > > In one case nearly 50% of the screen was covered in add-on toolbars > > to MIE. :-o Doncha just love Windows' redundancy paradigm? Thanks > > heavens for f11. > I've just had to set up a Windross laptop. Internet Exploder was so > full of crap I didn't even bother to clean it up - I just used it to > download Firefox. Sadly, I seem only to be able reliably to download pre-paid postage PDFs from royalmail.com with MIE and even then, it took a second attempt today. Perhaps someone from RM can explain* why something so intrinsically simple (printing a stamp) has to be made so darned complex. If the final item wears one of those square barcode thingies, simple PHP HTML and forms and output to an image file ought to do. Grown like topsy, it has. Sorry, now OT, 'bye. T * any questions herein are rhetorical. ;-) -- Tim Hill .. www.timil.com
Re: Searching from the URL text input icon - RISC OS (was:Re: netsurf 2.7 and google-search)
On 22 Apr 2011 Tim Hill wrote: > In article > , Chris > Young wrote: >> On Tue, 19 Apr 2011 15:12:23 +0100, Tim Hill wrote: >>> On the subject of searching, is there any future plan to implement >>> search from the URL bar? I would like to type, say, 'banana' into the >>> bar and a search result to appear if a DN lookup fails to find >>> http://banana >> That was present at one point but has been disabled/removed. Some of >> the other frontends have a dedicated search bar alongside the URL bar, >> you might want to put a feature request in for one to be added to the >> RISC OS frontend. > Um, no. I would rather the search from the RISC OS front end was > performed from the single text input icon, as I think I said. Having a > 'search box' alongside it is a waste of screen real-estate as it could be > performed within existing furniture. I agree, but why not just put a search box on your local home page? My default startup page has links for all my usual sites, including formlets for logging in where possible (i.e. forms with just a submit button, the username and password fields being preset and hidden), and forms for Google, ebay and streetmap.co.uk. [snip] > In one case nearly 50% of the screen was covered in add-on toolbars to > MIE. :-o Doncha just love Windows' redundancy paradigm? Thanks heavens > for f11. I've just had to set up a Windross laptop. Internet Exploder was so full of crap I didn't even bother to clean it up - I just used it to download Firefox. -- Richard Porterhttp://www.minijem.plus.com/ mailto:r...@minijem.plus.com I don't want a "user experience" - I just want stuff that works.
Searching from the URL text input icon - RISC OS (was:Re: netsurf 2.7 and google-search)
In article , Chris Young wrote: > On Tue, 19 Apr 2011 15:12:23 +0100, Tim Hill wrote: > > On the subject of searching, is there any future plan to implement > > search from the URL bar? I would like to type, say, 'banana' into the > > bar and a search result to appear if a DN lookup fails to find > > http://banana > That was present at one point but has been disabled/removed. Some of > the other frontends have a dedicated search bar alongside the URL bar, > you might want to put a feature request in for one to be added to the > RISC OS frontend. Um, no. I would rather the search from the RISC OS front end was performed from the single text input icon, as I think I said. Having a 'search box' alongside it is a waste of screen real-estate as it could be performed within existing furniture. I understand there may be technical problems to be overcome and some DNSes which misbehave so an activate/deactivate option would seem to be appropriate. (In a similar way, OpenDNS can return javascript-laden - i.e. blank - error pages so I don't use that service any more.) Searching from the URL input icon would be not only handy, it makes sense anyway: that is where the cursor is placed when a NetSurf window is opened. Plus, I would rather a clean Google Chrome look than a more cluttered FF or Microsoft Internet 'Exploder' look (I know: in later versions they can be 'streamlined' a bit). ;-) Bizarrely, the latter and other mainstream browsers /do/ search from the URL bar but still provide a specific search box alongside. Why? :-/ You can then add more downloaded toolbar clutter with free games which inevitably add yet more search boxes; I cleaned up two users' browsers yesterday. In one case nearly 50% of the screen was covered in add-on toolbars to MIE. :-o Doncha just love Windows' redundancy paradigm? Thanks heavens for f11. I think what I most like about both Chrome and NetSurf is that they are both more like swans, with a clean and simple appearance above the waterline... . Other browsers could be compared to other, less attractive, aquatic things. -- Tim Hill .. www.timil.com
Re: netsurf 2.7 and google-search
On Tue, 2011-04-19 at 19:55 +0100, Chris Young wrote: > On Tue, 19 Apr 2011 15:12:23 +0100, Tim Hill wrote: > > > On the subject of searching, is there any future plan to implement search > > from the URL bar? I would like to type, say, 'banana' into the bar and a > > search result to appear if a DN lookup fails to find http://banana > > That was present at one point but has been disabled/removed. Indeed. We removed it because it wasn't particularly reliable, particularly in the face of DNS servers redirecting to a search page instead of returning NXDOMAIN, like the specification intended. If it does get reinstated, it'll be using a rather more robust approach. I've no idea if or when that might happen, however. John.
Re: netsurf 2.7 and google-search
On 19 Apr, Chris Young wrote in message : > On Tue, 19 Apr 2011 15:12:23 +0100, Tim Hill wrote: > > > On the subject of searching, is there any future plan to implement > > search from the URL bar? I would like to type, say, 'banana' into the > > bar and a search result to appear if a DN lookup fails to find > > http://banana > > That was present at one point but has been disabled/removed. Some of the > other frontends have a dedicated search bar alongside the URL bar, you > might want to put a feature request in for one to be added to the RISC OS > frontend. It was one of the motivations behind the RISC OS toolbar re-write: the idea of adding new widgets to the toolbar is a lot less scary now than it was before. Now that things have calmed down after Wakefield, I might start to make some use of the changes. There may be more pressing things to fix first, though. -- Steve Fryatt - Leeds, England http://www.stevefryatt.org.uk/
Re: netsurf 2.7 and google-search
On Tue, 19 Apr 2011 15:12:23 +0100, Tim Hill wrote: > On the subject of searching, is there any future plan to implement search > from the URL bar? I would like to type, say, 'banana' into the bar and a > search result to appear if a DN lookup fails to find http://banana That was present at one point but has been disabled/removed. Some of the other frontends have a dedicated search bar alongside the URL bar, you might want to put a feature request in for one to be added to the RISC OS frontend. Chris
Re: netsurf 2.7 and google-search
In article <2f5e7dc651.old_coaster@old_coaster.yahoo.co.uk>, Tony Moore wrote: > Thanks for the explanation. It's unfortunate that Google has produced a > layout, so out of keeping with its usual design. I've just donated 6p. John
Re: netsurf 2.7 and google-search
On 19 Apr 2011, Rob Kendrick wrote: > On Tue, Apr 19, 2011 at 04:36:41PM +, Tony Moore wrote: > > On 19 Apr 2011, Rob Kendrick wrote: > > > > > Unfortunately, the 'CSE' version of the search results pages are > > > somewhat more basic than the normal Google ones > > > > https://www.google.com/adsense/www/en_US/afs/index.html says that > > > >Google gives you control over the look and feel of the search > >results and ads to match your site's look and feel. > > > > Maybe AdSense not the same as CSE? > > It's the same, in this instance. The problem is that there is limited > control over the appearance (mostly colours, not layout), and much of > it depends on JavaScript which is obviously a no-go. Thanks for the explanation. It's unfortunate that Google has produced a layout, so out of keeping with its usual design. Tony
Re: netsurf 2.7 and google-search
On Tue, Apr 19, 2011 at 04:36:41PM +, Tony Moore wrote: > On 19 Apr 2011, Rob Kendrick wrote: > > > Unfortunately, the 'CSE' version of the search results pages are > > somewhat more basic than the normal Google ones > > https://www.google.com/adsense/www/en_US/afs/index.html says that > >Google gives you control over the look and feel of the search results >and ads to match your site's look and feel. > > Maybe AdSense not the same as CSE? It's the same, in this instance. The problem is that there is limited control over the appearance (mostly colours, not layout), and much of it depends on JavaScript which is obviously a no-go. B.
Re: netsurf 2.7 and google-search
On 19 Apr 2011, Rob Kendrick wrote: > On Tue, Apr 19, 2011 at 03:16:03PM +, Tony Moore wrote: > > On 19 Apr 2011, Rob Kendrick wrote: [snip] > > > 2.7 uses a different results page for search queries performed > > > from the welcome page. > > > > Is there some reason for that? I've never seen that page format in > > Google before and, without meaning to be rude, it reminds me of > > Fresco! > > Like Ubuntu's Firefox, and other similar organisations, NetSurf's > default welcome page now uses a Google search where NetSurf gets a > percentage of any advert clicks. Fair enough, I hadn't realised what was happening. [snip] > Unfortunately, the 'CSE' version of the search results pages are > somewhat more basic than the normal Google ones https://www.google.com/adsense/www/en_US/afs/index.html says that Google gives you control over the look and feel of the search results and ads to match your site's look and feel. Maybe AdSense not the same as CSE? [snip] > Ultimately, if you don't like the new search results page, you can of > course set Google to your homepage, or make your own one with your > favoured links, but that will of course reduce the amount of funding > we can get from Google with no direct expense to you should you want > to click on one of the ads. I'll bear that in mind. Tony
Re: netsurf 2.7 and google-search
On Tue, Apr 19, 2011 at 03:16:03PM +, Tony Moore wrote: > On 19 Apr 2011, Rob Kendrick wrote: > > On Mon, Apr 18, 2011 at 04:45:55PM +, Tony Moore wrote: > > [snip] > > > > NetSurf 2.7 seems to format incorrectly any Google-search results > > > page (the left hand column is absent, etc). Does anyone else see > > > this? > > > > This is expected behavior. 2.7 uses a different results page for > > search queries performed from the welcome page. > > Is there some reason for that? I've never seen that page format in > Google before and, without meaning to be rude, it reminds me of Fresco! Like Ubuntu's Firefox, and other similar organisations, NetSurf's default welcome page now uses a Google search where NetSurf gets a percentage of any advert clicks. Running NetSurf is a surprisingly expensive operation, so every penny we can gather without annoying people too much is good. Unfortunately, the 'CSE' version of the search results pages are somewhat more basic than the normal Google ones (you can see the same type of result in Firefox if you visit http://www.netsurf-browser.org/welcome/ or use Ubuntu's default welcome page search.) Ultimately, if you don't like the new search results page, you can of course set Google to your homepage, or make your own one with your favoured links, but that will of course reduce the amount of funding we can get from Google with no direct expense to you should you want to click on one of the ads. (Incidentally, the terms of service between Google and ourselves forbids me from clicking on ads ourselves, or asking others to do so on our behalf. So please don't interpret the above as a request to click on these ads regardless to send some money our way [which is about 3p a click.]) B.
Re: netsurf 2.7 and google-search
On 19 Apr 2011, Rob Kendrick wrote: > On Mon, Apr 18, 2011 at 04:45:55PM +, Tony Moore wrote: [snip] > > NetSurf 2.7 seems to format incorrectly any Google-search results > > page (the left hand column is absent, etc). Does anyone else see > > this? > > This is expected behavior. 2.7 uses a different results page for > search queries performed from the welcome page. Is there some reason for that? I've never seen that page format in Google before and, without meaning to be rude, it reminds me of Fresco! Tony
Re: netsurf 2.7 and google-search
In article <671ef3c551.old_coaster@old_coaster.yahoo.co.uk>, Tony Moore wrote: > First may I join in thanks to the Developers, for their continued work > on this project. It is greatly appreciated here. Hear, hear. On the subject of searching, is there any future plan to implement search from the URL bar? I would like to type, say, 'banana' into the bar and a search result to appear if a DN lookup fails to find http://banana -- Tim Hill .. www.timil.com
Re: netsurf 2.7 and google-search
On Mon, Apr 18, 2011 at 04:45:55PM +, Tony Moore wrote: > First may I join in thanks to the Developers, for their continued work > on this project. It is greatly appreciated here. You're welcome :) > NetSurf 2.7 seems to format incorrectly any Google-search results page > (the left hand column is absent, etc). Does anyone else see this? This is expected behavior. 2.7 uses a different results page for search queries performed from the welcome page. > The problem is not present in the latest development version, r12182. The development branch has not been updated yet to use the same results page. B.
Re: netsurf 2.7 and google-search
In article <671ef3c551.old_coaster@old_coaster.yahoo.co.uk>, Tony Moore wrote: > First may I join in thanks to the Developers, for their continued work > on this project. It is greatly appreciated here. Ditto. > NetSurf 2.7 seems to format incorrectly any Google-search results page > (the left hand column is absent, etc). Does anyone else see this? > The problem is not present in the latest development version, r12182. Same results here. -- Chris
netsurf 2.7 and google-search
First may I join in thanks to the Developers, for their continued work on this project. It is greatly appreciated here. NetSurf 2.7 seems to format incorrectly any Google-search results page (the left hand column is absent, etc). Does anyone else see this? The problem is not present in the latest development version, r12182. Tony
