Re: Extinction Internet
Hi Vesna, Thx for these resources ! Important contributions to the theme of "Extinction Internet"... which seems to have been sadly overlooked by all the nettime Boys ! Apologies for my late response to this... As i was trying to formulate a longer response to Geert's piece, but have been unable to finish it. ... But i will add some thoughts about the all the Bits Und Baume efforts, which Vesna and i had the chance to discuss ( and examine some of its problems ).. Not sure if your Ripe + BnB reports the demands of the Digitalization For Sustainability ( D4S - which inclds. Stephane Hankey from Tactical Tech )...here is the link to their paper/manifesto/ demands https://digitalization-for-sustainability.com/publications/ ... I managed to get a copy and looked at it later at home... and took it as representing the mainstream ( and safe playing ) tact of BnB overall. Fighting like NGOs mostly do to fight for policies to reign in the Technological Mess, which is all very reasonable and needs to be fought for on this front, but this does not seem to have any popular strategies and grassroots organs to take on the realtime threats we all face from the COPORATE TECH TITANS, ie the tech-colonialism that operates far ahead of policies... Think: Move Fast and Break Things, and Pump it full with Billion$ ( ie. with the wealth continuously STOLEN from the public spheres, and all our labor ). ... So one of the things missing at Bits u. Baume is the Hacker Spirit that is far more present in the Chaos Congress... And what is infuriating is that those species of hackers were not as present at the Two BnB's ( 2018 + 2022 ), and very little BnB + environmental themes gets brought back into the CC Congresses. And far too few people who like to work in these tech + media theory fields came to press the more radical struggles at BnB, which is an important framework to QUESTION the whole Nettified Capture of Our Terrestrial Being ! As the hot theme this week seems to be: to Fediverse or Not to Fediverse !? And the XLterrestrials might interject: Neither is that likely to be much of an arena to defeat the Onslaught and the Empires of the Technodystopias ! While we are currently enjoying the Fediverse activity, Is this just more of the deep immersion into the Globalized Cybernetic Dumpster Fires!? cheers, Podinski ps. Much more to say about Vesna's resources ... AND Geert's text, which brings together a useful overview of some important voices and angles like Stiegler, Bifo et al... But damn Geert, that is SO LATE to the game ! I mean even Already in 2005, at the 22c3 Chaos Communications Congress, some key Chaos adepts ( F. Rieger and R. Gongripp ) gave a talk entitled " WE LOST THE WAR "...the message way back THEN was we needed to radically rethink our strategies ! Maybe MEDIA Theory people + HACKERS need to get way more on board with the fight for our terrestrial habitats, both local and planetary !?? J. Oliver comes to mind, who set up all the comm for Ex Rebellion... that wasnt obviously enough either, but at least it was the right direction + alliances !? ( debatable of course) On 30/11/22 10:31, nettime-l-requ...@mail.kein.org wrote: > Send nettime-l mailing list submissions to > nettime-l@mail.kein.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://mx.kein.org/mailman/listinfo/nettime-l > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > nettime-l-requ...@mail.kein.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > nettime-l-ow...@mail.kein.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of nettime-l digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > >1. Re: Extinction Internet (Vesna Manojlovic) >2. Moving Nettime to the Fediverse (nettime's mod squad) >3. First Media:: Publishing is not a crime appeal to drop > prosecution of Julian assange (Patrice Riemens) >4. Re: Moving Nettime to the Fediverse (Geoffrey Goodell) >5. Re: Moving Nettime to the Fediverse (Allan Siegel) > > > -- > > Message: 1 > Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2022 17:51:14 +0100 > From: Vesna Manojlovic > To: nettime-l@mail.kein.org > Subject: Re: Extinction Internet > Message-ID: <15c236c9-74fc-7477-63d3-17aa4819a...@xs4all.nl> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed > > Dear Geert, all, > > On 24/11/2022 17:39, Geert Lovink wrote: > > > We need tools that?decolonize, redistribute value, conspire and > organize. > > I admire your work on this, and will study it later, for in-detail response. > > Right now, quick contributions, that I think resonate with the > "Extinction Internet" : > > * my "paper" submitted for
Re: Extinction Internet
Am 24/11/22 um 20:20 schrieb Brian Holmes: > "Let’s stopbuilding Web3 solutions for problems that do not existand > launch tools that decolonize, redistribute value,conspire and organize." > > The emergent internet of the 80s and 90s with all its open potentials > was the radical machine that made transnational culture-sharing > possible. Its colonization by globalizing capital was launched with > social media (and so on). Usenet does still exist. A simple solution that works. Maybe not for everybody but maybe still the best of all possible worlds. Best, H. # distributed via : no commercial use without permission #is a moderated mailing list for net criticism, # collaborative text filtering and cultural politics of the nets # more info: http://mx.kein.org/mailman/listinfo/nettime-l # archive: http://www.nettime.org contact: nett...@kein.org # @nettime_bot tweets mail w/ sender unless #ANON is in Subject:
Re: Extinction Internet
Dear Geert, all, On 24/11/2022 17:39, Geert Lovink wrote: > We need tools that decolonize, redistribute value, conspire and organize. I admire your work on this, and will study it later, for in-detail response. Right now, quick contributions, that I think resonate with the "Extinction Internet" : * my "paper" submitted for the upcoming workshop by Internet Architecture Board on “Environmental Impact of Internet Applications and Systems": https://www.iab.org/activities/workshops/e-impact/ , calling for implementing Solidarity, Limitations, Reparations as 3 principles for (technical) Internet Governance: https://wiki.techinc.nl/File:BECHA_Internet_Infrastructure_and_Climate_Justice_IAB.pdf * my article "Towards Climate Justice in Tech", practically a report from four events related to "Sustainable Web", "green tech" and "social responsibility" , and at the same time a call for moving away from endless growth, fossil fuels, extractivism and techno-solutions : https://labs.ripe.net/author/becha/towards-climate-justice-in-tech/ (& an image: https://wiki.techinc.nl/File:Three-principles-expanded.png ) * a video recording of my talk at Bits & Bäume: https://media.ccc.de/v/bitsundbaeume-19907-greening-ripe-though-activism-and-empathy-en- Let's work on this together! Vesna # distributed via : no commercial use without permission #is a moderated mailing list for net criticism, # collaborative text filtering and cultural politics of the nets # more info: http://mx.kein.org/mailman/listinfo/nettime-l # archive: http://www.nettime.org contact: nett...@kein.org # @nettime_bot tweets mail w/ sender unless #ANON is in Subject:
Re: Extinction Internet
Dear Geert Thank you very much for sharing this text which has stimulated some reflections, not least as what is now being actively termed 'the crisis in the humanities' is gaining traction here in darkest Britain. Invited to comment, I am spending time thinking about how those of us who pushed against disciplinary boundaries over the course of the pre and post-Millennial decades might now evolve any kind of intellectually coherent position. I read your paper earlier this morning then on impulse opened a book called *The Psychopathologies of Cognitive Capitalism Part Three *published by Archive Books in 2016 [I think *my copy is undated*]. It was based on a conference co-convened by Mark Fisher at Goldsmiths in 2014. I opened it randomly to see what might turn up. It led me directly to a chapter by Anna Munster entitled 'Distended Nervous System: Networked Media and Its Neurological Turns' and to a section heading from Neuro-turns to Neuropolitics and to a page (206) that included the line: 'Lovink asks where, in all this, is the economic and political analysis of Google and other networked corporations, and of the colonisation of content, real time and labor?' She then states: 'Although concurring with his questions, I nonetheless think we need to be simultaneously asking specific questions about the neural micro politics at play here and to try to figure out their conjunctions and relays with molar dimensions of the economic and political'. The chapter contains many such insights. Berardi was also a contributor to the event. I remember walking to the train station after the conference in 2014 with Mark Fisher who I had not previously met. He kindly said he had welcomed my mentioning William Burroughs in my talk I had been talking about Burroughs' predictive reference in The Electronic Revolution, orig. published in 1970, to an ubiquitous playback environment (and also to his intensive experimentation with the psychic boundaries of his physical existence in the world). Your talk/lecture/text strengthened my sense that some kind of position might be possible to find on the challenges of the present, even if as you say the conclusions might be chilling. Thanks again B On Thu, 24 Nov 2022 at 19:21, Brian Holmes wrote: > "Let’s stop building Web3 solutions for problems that do not exist and > launch tools that decolonize, redistribute value, conspire and organize." > > The emergent internet of the 80s and 90s with all its open potentials was > the radical machine that made transnational culture-sharing possible. Its > colonization by globalizing capital was launched with social media, > generalized by platform labor and completed by blockchain experiments gone > tragically wrong. We live today under the accumulated wreckage of this > project, and rather than wandering contemplatively from ruin to ruin > (that's called critique) it's time to make new things, and to grasp the > ancient where it is now emergent (that's called invention). Of course there > will not be the same rush to engage with tools promised to immense > corporate development, with all its accompanying perks and subsidies. > Instead there will be an entirely different rush to engage, driven by > uncanny combinations of hope, solidarity, outrage and fear of climate > change. I just love this phrase: "decolonize, redistribute value, > conspire and organize." Not virtualization, but actualization seems to be > the keyword of the future. > > On Thu, Nov 24, 2022 at 10:41 AM Geert Lovink wrote: > >> *Extinction Internet i*s not merely an end-of-the-world phantasy of >> digital technology that one day will be wiped out by an electromagnetic >> pulse or the cutting of cables. Rather, Extinction Internet marks the end >> of an era of possibilities and speculations, when adaptation is no longer >> an option. During the internet’s Lost Decade, we’ve been rearranging the >> deck chairs on the Titanic under the inspirational guidance of the >> consultancy class. What’s to be done to uphold the inevitable? We need >> tools that decolonize, redistribute value, conspire and organize. Join the >> platform exodus. It’s time for a strike on optimization. There is beauty in >> the breakdown. >> >> *Extinction Internet* is Geert Lovink’s inaugural lecture, held on >> November 18, 2022 as Professor of Art and Network Cultures, within Modern >> and Contemporary Art History, Faculty of Humanities, University of >> Amsterdam. >> >> — >> >> Preface by Geert Lovink >> >> My gratitude goes to prof. Mia Lerm Hayes to make it all possible, and to >> Frank Kresin, Dean of the Faculty Digital Media and Creative Industries, to >> facilitate the sponsorship of this chair by the Amsterdam University of >> Applied Sciences. >>
Re: Extinction Internet
"Let’s stop building Web3 solutions for problems that do not exist and launch tools that decolonize, redistribute value, conspire and organize." The emergent internet of the 80s and 90s with all its open potentials was the radical machine that made transnational culture-sharing possible. Its colonization by globalizing capital was launched with social media, generalized by platform labor and completed by blockchain experiments gone tragically wrong. We live today under the accumulated wreckage of this project, and rather than wandering contemplatively from ruin to ruin (that's called critique) it's time to make new things, and to grasp the ancient where it is now emergent (that's called invention). Of course there will not be the same rush to engage with tools promised to immense corporate development, with all its accompanying perks and subsidies. Instead there will be an entirely different rush to engage, driven by uncanny combinations of hope, solidarity, outrage and fear of climate change. I just love this phrase: "decolonize, redistribute value, conspire and organize." Not virtualization, but actualization seems to be the keyword of the future. On Thu, Nov 24, 2022 at 10:41 AM Geert Lovink wrote: > *Extinction Internet i*s not merely an end-of-the-world phantasy of > digital technology that one day will be wiped out by an electromagnetic > pulse or the cutting of cables. Rather, Extinction Internet marks the end > of an era of possibilities and speculations, when adaptation is no longer > an option. During the internet’s Lost Decade, we’ve been rearranging the > deck chairs on the Titanic under the inspirational guidance of the > consultancy class. What’s to be done to uphold the inevitable? We need > tools that decolonize, redistribute value, conspire and organize. Join the > platform exodus. It’s time for a strike on optimization. There is beauty in > the breakdown. > > *Extinction Internet* is Geert Lovink’s inaugural lecture, held on > November 18, 2022 as Professor of Art and Network Cultures, within Modern > and Contemporary Art History, Faculty of Humanities, University of > Amsterdam. > > — > > Preface by Geert Lovink > > My gratitude goes to prof. Mia Lerm Hayes to make it all possible, and to > Frank Kresin, Dean of the Faculty Digital Media and Creative Industries, to > facilitate the sponsorship of this chair by the Amsterdam University of > Applied Sciences. > > A few words about the background of the lecture topic. The Russian > invasion in Ukraine and the mounting climate crisis urged me to not merely > look back at the thirty-plus years of media theory, new media art and > activism. The internet criticism that I have tried to define and practice > needs to constantly be challenged and questioned in order to remain > relevant. Together with my dear friend Ned Rossiter, with whom I > collaborate ever since we met in Melbourne, back in 2001, I decided to go > beyond my work of the past five years on the mental states of internet > users, as recorded in my books *Sad by Design* and *Stuck on the Platform*, > now confronting myself with *Extinction Internet*. > > I am building here on the work of Bernard Stiegler and Franco Berardi on > climate collapse and finitude in platform capitalism. I also benefitted > from the dialogues with Athina Karatzogianni at Leicester University, who > is doing research into the strategy debates of Extinction Rebellion, as > well as Georgiana Cojocaru, a research fellow at the Institute of Network > Cultures. This led to a short essay, entitled Extinction Bauhaus > <https://networkcultures.org/geert/2020/12/16/extinction-bauhaus/>, on > art and design education in the age of climate collapse. The following > speech directly builds on these exchanges. Besides the readers of the text, > mentioned in the pdf, I would like to thank INC team members Chloë > Arkenbout, Laurence Scherz and Tommaso Campagna for their editorial and > production to put out the text and in particular, as always, Mieke > Gerritzen for the design. > > Published by the Institute of Network Cultures, Amsterdam 2022 > > Download the .pdf here: > https://networkcultures.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/11/ExtinctionInternetINC2022Miscellanea.pdf > > # distributed via : no commercial use without permission > #is a moderated mailing list for net criticism, > # collaborative text filtering and cultural politics of the nets > # more info: http://mx.kein.org/mailman/listinfo/nettime-l > # archive: http://www.nettime.org contact: nett...@kein.org > # @nettime_bot tweets mail w/ sender unless #ANON is in Subject: # distributed via : no commercial use without permission #is a moderated mailing list for net criticism, # collaborative text filtering and cultural politics of the nets # more info: http://mx.kein.org/mailman/listinfo/nettime-l # archive: http://www.nettime.org contact: nett...@kein.org # @nettime_bot tweets mail w/ sender unless #ANON is in Subject:
Extinction Internet
Extinction Internet is not merely an end-of-the-world phantasy of digital technology that one day will be wiped out by an electromagnetic pulse or the cutting of cables. Rather, Extinction Internet marks the end of an era of possibilities and speculations, when adaptation is no longer an option. During the internet’s Lost Decade, we’ve been rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic under the inspirational guidance of the consultancy class. What’s to be done to uphold the inevitable? We need tools that decolonize, redistribute value, conspire and organize. Join the platform exodus. It’s time for a strike on optimization. There is beauty in the breakdown. Extinction Internet is Geert Lovink’s inaugural lecture, held on November 18, 2022 as Professor of Art and Network Cultures, within Modern and Contemporary Art History, Faculty of Humanities, University of Amsterdam. — Preface by Geert Lovink My gratitude goes to prof. Mia Lerm Hayes to make it all possible, and to Frank Kresin, Dean of the Faculty Digital Media and Creative Industries, to facilitate the sponsorship of this chair by the Amsterdam University of Applied Sciences. A few words about the background of the lecture topic. The Russian invasion in Ukraine and the mounting climate crisis urged me to not merely look back at the thirty-plus years of media theory, new media art and activism. The internet criticism that I have tried to define and practice needs to constantly be challenged and questioned in order to remain relevant. Together with my dear friend Ned Rossiter, with whom I collaborate ever since we met in Melbourne, back in 2001, I decided to go beyond my work of the past five years on the mental states of internet users, as recorded in my books Sad by Design and Stuck on the Platform, now confronting myself with Extinction Internet. I am building here on the work of Bernard Stiegler and Franco Berardi on climate collapse and finitude in platform capitalism. I also benefitted from the dialogues with Athina Karatzogianni at Leicester University, who is doing research into the strategy debates of Extinction Rebellion, as well as Georgiana Cojocaru, a research fellow at the Institute of Network Cultures. This led to a short essay, entitled Extinction Bauhaus <https://networkcultures.org/geert/2020/12/16/extinction-bauhaus/>, on art and design education in the age of climate collapse. The following speech directly builds on these exchanges. Besides the readers of the text, mentioned in the pdf, I would like to thank INC team members Chloë Arkenbout, Laurence Scherz and Tommaso Campagna for their editorial and production to put out the text and in particular, as always, Mieke Gerritzen for the design. Published by the Institute of Network Cultures, Amsterdam 2022 Download the .pdf here: https://networkcultures.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/11/ExtinctionInternetINC2022Miscellanea.pdf # distributed via : no commercial use without permission #is a moderated mailing list for net criticism, # collaborative text filtering and cultural politics of the nets # more info: http://mx.kein.org/mailman/listinfo/nettime-l # archive: http://www.nettime.org contact: nett...@kein.org # @nettime_bot tweets mail w/ sender unless #ANON is in Subject:
