[NSP] Re: Information please

2009-03-11 Thread Anthony Robb

   Thanks for that Matt. I've often wondered! Why though is it taking so
   long for the NPS to correct its error?
   In the recent First 30 booklet I'm the only peron to give Jamie Allan
   as the name and as my wife pointed out it looks as if I'm the one
   getting it wrong!
   After all, if I began refering to the Hon Sec as Jools Sey she
   is alive and well enough to put me right! Yet this is exactly the same
   sort of transgression.
   If a name belongs to a dead person we should be very careful to get it
   right. It's not so much the provenance of the tune that concerns me
   (tunes can be imported and played in the correct dialect - just like
   words) as much as the fact that it shows a cavalier disregard for
   accuracy.
   I wonder if we can look forward to a correction soon?
   Cheers
   Anthony

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[NSP] Monkey hunting

2009-03-11 Thread tim rolls BT

Hi John and all,

I like the monkey hunting analogy.

If you're hunting monkeys (ies?) by yourself, then hunt them in whatever way 
catches most monkeys for you.


Naturally if you are hunting monkeys with a group of other monkey hunters, 
you need some agreement as to how you are all going to hunt, otherwise the 
result will be unsatisfactory (you just scatter the monkeys and they all 
laugh at you from the treetops) In which case a written set of instructions 
on how to hunt monkeys would be useful.


Having all got copies of the How to hunt Monkeys, the New Guinea way you 
will of course find that many of the hunters then say, but we dont hunt 
them thay way and you end up agreeing to amend the instructions, leaving 
the person who spent time copying ten sets of instructions out muttering 
darkly in the corner.


Tim
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To: nsp@cs.dartmouth.edu
Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 7:26 PM
Subject: [NSP] Re: First 30 tunes



  Perhaps, you could make the recordings yourself, Colin.  That way the
  bench would be quite clearly marked.  It would seem likely that there
  could be all sorts of interpretations of a tune, or bad playing
  technique, if the sound source were another instrument.
  Last night I played tunes with a friend, an ear player who grew up in
  Morpeth, was active in the folk scene in Northumberland for many years
  before moving here.  He plays stringed instruments, so the popping pipe
  sound goes nicely with the slurry string sound.  He doesn't play any of
  the tunes note for note the way they appear in the books, because he
  picked them up by ear, having heard many from the time he was a lad.
  If I said, look, you're not playing that tune correctly, it would be
  like the anthropologist telling the tribesman in New Guinea he's
  hunting monkey incorrectly.
  One tune in particular, The Hesleyside Reel, is very difficult for me
  to play at his tempo without cutting out some of the notes.  Was it
  written for the pipes?  It's a lovely tune, but my right hand's
  ligature doesn't like it very much unless I play it at a rambling pace.
   Now, I realize, if I had Chris Ormston's technique I could do it
  properly, but I never will (I'm not alone, am I?).  If the choice is
  mucking up the tune or adapting it to fit my technical abilities,
  what's a guy to do?
  John

  rosspi...@aol.com

  03/10/2009 10:40 AM

   To

  j.gibb...@imperial.ac.uk

   cc

  nsp@cs.dartmouth.edu

  Subject

  [NSP] Re: First 30 tunes

  Dear John,
  When I was saying that I thought the tunes in the 'First 30 Tunes'
  might be better played on some other instrument than the small pipes to
  give an idea of how the tune went it was to avoid the copying of pehaps
  bad playing technique from pipers who had contributed tracks for the
  CD. I had no experience of using ABC copies of the tunes to generate
  audio copies but it seems to be a relatively straightforward way of
  getting the printed tunes out there to be heard. At the moment the NPS
  is only interested in producing a CD to accompany the '30 tunes' book
  but as we have most of the other tunes that are in our publications in
  ABC form it could be applied to all those tunes that beginners have
  difficulty in lifting off the page.
  As you say the main problem is in finding someone to do the job.
  Colin R
  -Original Message-
  From: Gibbons, John j.gibb...@imperial.ac.uk
  To: 'colin' cwh...@santa-fe.freeserve.co.uk; nsp@cs.dartmouth.edu
  nsp@cs.dartmouth.edu
  Sent: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 16:41
  Subject: [NSP] Re: First 30 tunes
An abc pipers' tunebook should ideally -
  * Not be a copy of a printed source. It might affect its sales. Let
alone copyright questions.
  * So should be mostly traditional unpublished material.
  * It could contain new tunes too, if submitted by the composer -
copyright again.
   * It should be communally authored - wait for a single author and
  it
will take a long time, and will mirror his taste; be it excellent
 or otherwise, someone will disagree! It is a view of the
  tradition
that we are after, not just Joe Bloggs' bit of it.
  * Abc's could be submitted to the nsp mailing list, and someone
web-literate could put it online.
  * So we need a willing able volunteer.
  * Here the plan falls to the ground.
John
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From: nsp-request+j.gibbons=ic.ac...@cs.dartmouth.edu
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Of colin
Sent: 10 March 2009 16:23
To: nsp@cs.dartmouth.edu
Subject: [NSP] Re: [NSP]Re: irst 30 tunes
I'm glad you wrote this.
 I suggested something similar but my post never appeared 

[NSP] Re: Chanter hole spacings

2009-03-11 Thread rosspipes
Just to mention that Mike nelson used my hole spacings on his chanters 
which he graciously acknowledged on a diagram of chanter hole spacings 
he produced in the early days.

Colin R







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From: Anthony Robb anth...@robbpipes.com
To: Dartmouth NPS nsp@cs.dartmouth.edu
Sent: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 8:14
Subject: [NSP] Chanter hole spacings



  Hello Folks
  Peter Ashby mentioned this forum at last night's Caedmon Piping class
  and I thought I'd sign up.
   I believe there has been recent discussion re hole spacings on 
chanters

  with a request for pipers to submit the measurements of their own
  instruments in order find an average.
   This sounds to me like a rather pointless exercise as so much work 
has

  been put into this in the past. If the aim is to standardise hole
  spacings to play near concert F with a good bright reed then Mike
  Nelson has done this to near perfection. I have seen similar spacings
  used by Colin Ross. Both of these offer a range of good-toned pitch
  from concert F (A  = 440Hz) to F + 25 (A=446Hz) depending on reed
  dimensions. Philip Gruar also uses spacings very close to these with
  similar beautiful results. These spacings are readily availble from
  Colin or Mike.
  Then, of course, we have the chanter spacings which Robert Reid used
   and are used as a model by David Burleigh. These spacings look 
similar
   to those mentioned above at the top of the chanter but are 5mm 
shorter

  by the time we reach bottom D. Standard reeds moved in towards the
   chanter  to bring it in tune moves the pitch to a range from F + 25  
(A

  =  446Hz) to F+ 50 (A = 453Hz). As David has made over 3,000 sets to
  this pattern I find that aiming for F = + 25 (A = 446Hz) is a good
   compromise for teaching groups and was the pitch I  asked pipers to 
aim

  for on The Cool Breath  Tour of New Zealand in January.
  I have heard that this strategy worked well even in my absence (for
   family reasons, Heather  I returned home prematurely) and resulted 
in
   a good sounding CD of massed pipes playing (21 sets). You can judge 
for

  yourselves when it is released shortly.
   I own beautiful chanters made by all of the above makers and know 
them

  intimately. They all sound tuneful and sweet. At the moment I use F
  chanters at 440, 446, 452 and 456 for individual teaching. (Squeezing
  harder / easing off to get a 6Hz shift will always compromise tone).
   Finally, it should be remembered that hole spacings themselves are 
not
   the end of the story. Hole size also makes a fair contribution to 
pitch

  as does the bore.
  I hope I've managed to add something useful to the discussion.
  Anthony Robb

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[NSP] Re: Chanter hole spacings

2009-03-11 Thread Gibbons, John
'susceptible smallest environmental  
Change, whether atmospheric'

Going from one room to another at Halsway was enough to unfettle mine very 
seriously.
Going out in the drizzle with them cured it for a while.
Happily, so did bringing them home.

The warm welcoming atmosphere there has its drawbacks!

John
 

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From: nsp-request+j.gibbons=ic.ac...@cs.dartmouth.edu 
[mailto:nsp-request+j.gibbons=ic.ac...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On Behalf Of Francis 
Wood
Sent: 11 March 2009 13:14
To: rosspi...@aol.com
Cc: Dartmouth nsp list N.P.S. site
Subject: [NSP] Re: Chanter hole spacings

On 11 Mar 2009, at 12:25, rosspi...@aol.com wrote:

 Just to mention that Mike Nelson used my hole spacings on his  
 chanters which he graciously acknowledged on a diagram of chanter  
 hole spacings he produced in the early days.


Well, Colin, it was gracious of you to share the design in the first  
place. You have always been most generous in sharing information and  
this is much appreciated.

Perhaps not everyone is aware that Mike Nelson made Kathryn Tickell's  
pipes. Recordings of that instrument provide very good evidence of the  
success of that set of hole positions. The Mike's drawings first  
appeared in 1984 in a book long out of print, the contents of which  
are visible in incomplete form online. Most of the important stuff is  
there, including details of the chanter, at:

http://www.machineconcepts.co.uk/smallpipes/pipe1.htm

Of course putting the holes of the right size in the right place is  
only the beginning of the tuning process. All woodwind instruments  
have some degree of tuning latitude which an experienced player will  
correct by adjusting the embouchure. That option is not available  
where there is a captive reed, as with any bagpipe. Experienced  
players may find that tuning is an ongoing process, involving small  
occasional adjustments. This is not to imply any deficiency or  
carelessness on the part of the maker, but merely to state that these  
delicate reeds are very susceptible to the smallest environmental  
change whether atmospheric or dimensional.

Reminds me of the story of an instrument that was once advertised:  
Viola for sale - recently tuned.  If only life were that simple!

Francis



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[NSP] Re: First 30 tunes

2009-03-11 Thread Anthony Robb

   Dear Colin, John et al.

   I think we should be distinguishing between Regional and personal
   styles here.
   Reels in the most of the British Isles (and elsewhere) have a pulse
   which can be interpreted as:

   Gob-stopper, gob-stopper, gob-stopper, gob-stopper.

   In Northumberland many of these tunes would be played as Rants which
   have a pulse:

   Tomato soup, tomato soup, tomato soup, tomato soup

   There is much room for personal interpretation on top of this basic
   style difference. Letting people hear these differences is important.
   As for so-called bad habits these must surely be/have been pleasing
   to the players themselves at some point and are therefore valid in
   their own right even if others may find them displeasing. Copying these
   personal idiosyncracies is one thing, and each player can decide this
   for themselves, ignoring the regional accent completely is another
   thing altogether!
   I would say go for it Colin, a person with your background can not help
   but make a valuable contribution to the body of piping knowledge.
   As aye
   Anthony
   --- On Wed, 11/3/09, rosspi...@aol.com rosspi...@aol.com wrote:

 From: rosspi...@aol.com rosspi...@aol.com
 Subject: [NSP] Re: First 30 tunes
 To: john_da...@hmco.com
 Cc: nsp@cs.dartmouth.edu
 Date: Wednesday, 11 March, 2009, 1:12 PM

   Dear John,
   No, it would not do at all for me to play the tunes as I would be
   imprinting my own style, whatever that is, on the tunes with all the
   bad habits of gracing I have picked up over the years. This would also
   apply to other pipers who have learnt from 'the old guys' and have
   developed a personal style of their own perhaps. Opinion would be
   divided as to who is the best and my solution of using a mechanical
   device to demonstrate a tune aurally for those who are unable to do
   this from the printed source would at least- and it would be the very
   least- give those folk an idea on how to tackle playing a tune and then
   go to a player or a recording of a player to get the spirit of the tune
   infused into it.
   Colin R
   -Original Message-
   From: [1]john_da...@hmco.com
   To: [2]...@cs.dartmouth.edu
   Sent: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 19:26
   Subject: [NSP] Re: First 30 tunes
 Perhaps, you could make the recordings yourself, Colin.  That way the
 bench would be quite clearly marked.  It would seem likely that there
 could be all sorts of interpretations of a tune, or bad playing
 technique, if the sound source were another instrument.
 Last night I played tunes with a friend, an ear player who grew up in
  Morpeth, was active in the folk scene in Northumberland for many
   years
  before moving here.  He plays stringed instruments, so the popping
   pipe
  sound goes nicely with the slurry string sound.  He doesn't play any
   of
 the tunes note for note the way they appear in the books, because he
 picked them up by ear, having heard many from the time he was a lad.
 If I said, look, you're not playing that tune correctly, it would be
 like the anthropologist telling the tribesman in New Guinea he's
 hunting monkey incorrectly.
  One tune in particular, The Hesleyside Reel, is very difficult for
   me
 to play at his tempo without cutting out some of the notes.  Was it
 written for the pipes?  It's a lovely tune, but my right hand's
  ligature doesn't like it very much unless I play it at a rambling
   pace.
  Now, I realize, if I had Chris Ormston's technique I could do it
 properly, but I never will (I'm not alone, am I?).  If the choice is
 mucking up the tune or adapting it to fit my technical abilities,
 what's a guy to do?
 John
 [3]rosspi...@aol.com
 03/10/2009 10:40 AM

   To
 [4]j.gibb...@imperial.ac.uk

   cc
 [5]...@cs.dartmouth.edu

   Subject
 [NSP] Re: First 30 tunes
 Dear John,
 When I was saying that I thought the tunes in the 'First 30 Tunes'
  might be better played on some other instrument than the small pipes
   to
  give an idea of how the tune went it was to avoid the copying of
   pehaps
 bad playing technique from pipers who had contributed tracks for the
 CD. I had no experience of using ABC copies of the tunes to generate
 audio copies but it seems to be a relatively straightforward way of
  getting the printed tunes out there to be heard. At the moment the
   NPS
 is only interested in producing a CD to accompany the '30 tunes' book
  but as we have most of the other tunes that are in our publications
   in
 ABC form it could be applied to all those tunes that beginners have
 difficulty in lifting off the page.
 As you say the main problem is in finding someone to do the job.
 Colin R
 -Original Message-
 From: Gibbons, John [6]j.gibb...@imperial.ac.uk
 To: 'colin' [7]cwh...@santa-fe.freeserve.co.uk;
   

[NSP] Re: First 30 tunes

2009-03-11 Thread Julia . Say
On 11 Mar 2009, Gibbons, John wrote: 

 The other approach, less apparently prescriptive, is getting different
 pipers to record a few tunes each - and stylistic variations in
 rhythm, gracing etc will be there - new pipers can choose who they
 want to try to sound like.

Which is precisely what I suggested (in place of one person recording 
the lot - there were two volunteers), and what is in the course of 
being implemented by the originator of the project. Using as many 
contributors to the book as are happy to provide recordings.

Julia



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[NSP] Re: First 30 tunes

2009-03-11 Thread tim rolls BT







Hi Richard,

Don't leave us hanging what did he choose to do?


Tim
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To: NSP group nsp@cs.dartmouth.edu
Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2009 6:10 PM
Subject: [NSP] Re: First 30 tunes




Some years ago I met a man who was responsible for some work on the
musicians carvings in  Beverley Minster, most famous of course being the
pipers.
His quandary was whether to simply clean them up as they were, or to
restore them to what the Victorians had imposed on them, mistakes and
all, or to try to restore them to what he thought the medieval carvers
had intended, though that last was now very impossible to do with any
certainty, given changes in their condition over time, so he'd be
imposing on them. And whatever he did would be right for some people,
wrong for others, and whatever he did they'd never be as they once used
to be.
Or he could simply leave them to fall to bits by themselves.

Richard.

Anthony Robb wrote:


...
   There is much room for personal interpretation on top of this basic
   style difference. Letting people hear these differences is important.
   As for so-called bad habits these must surely be/have been pleasing
   to the players themselves at some point and are therefore valid in
   their own right even if others may find them displeasing. Copying 
these

   personal idiosyncracies is one thing, and each player can decide this
   for themselves, ignoring the regional accent completely is another
   thing altogether!
   I would say go for it Colin, a person with your background can not 
help

   but make a valuable contribution to the body of piping knowledge.
   As aye
   Anthony






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[NSP] Re: Monkey hunting

2009-03-11 Thread John_Dally
   My Morpethian friend plays The Hesleyside Reel as a reel, up tempo,
   with a bump-ditty, 2/2 rhythm.  It's quite easy to play flat fingered
   on the Border pipes at that tempo.  Call me a slacker, but I doubt I
   will ever have the technique to play the tune on the NSP at his tempo,
   which is faster than the tempo Anthony Robb takes with the tune on
   SPIRIT OF THE BORDER.  I'd be happy if I could even approach that tempo
   without having the tendons surgically detached in my right hand as it
   is always the 'a' in the runs that takes me down.
   As in most things NSP, I labor to emulate the playing of Joe Hutton,
   and attempt to play Hesleyside with the same feel and tempo as his
   recording of Speed the Plough (NORTHUMBRIAN RANT, Temple?).  Does he
   play it as a rant or a reel?  You can hear him beating out four beats
   to a bar, 4/4 as opposed to 2/2.  Willy Taylor's recording of his own
   two reels (Pearl Wedding, Nancy Taylor) on the same CD have the
   same 4/4 rhythm I've come to think of as a rant.  It seems uniquely
   Northumbrian, whether it be a rant or a reel.
   There's more than one way to skin a monkey, I suppose, but through this
   discussion I've come to realize that my Morpethian friend's reel style
   is, as I suspected, influenced by Scottish and Irish reel rhythms.
   Many thanks to all,
   John --


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[NSP] Re: First 30 tunes

2009-03-11 Thread Richard York

In a way, that's the least important part of the story   :)


It struck me at the time what a parallel it was with our treatment of 
music which comes to us from before our time, or at least before deadly 
accurate sound recording, whether it's medieval or anything else.


But to answer your question, Tim,  if I remember aright, he treated them 
each variously according to how much was evident from the original form, 
how much damage the dear Victorians had done, and in what condition and 
how stable each was. Perhaps that's relevant too.



Best wishes,
Richard.

tim rolls BT wrote:







Hi Richard,

Don't leave us hanging what did he choose to do?


Tim
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rich...@lizards.force9.co.uk

To: NSP group nsp@cs.dartmouth.edu
Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2009 6:10 PM
Subject: [NSP] Re: First 30 tunes




Some years ago I met a man who was responsible for some work on the
musicians carvings in  Beverley Minster, most famous of course being 
the

pipers.
His quandary was whether to simply clean them up as they were, or to
restore them to what the Victorians had imposed on them, mistakes and
all, or to try to restore them to what he thought the medieval carvers
had intended, though that last was now very impossible to do with any
certainty, given changes in their condition over time, so he'd be
imposing on them. And whatever he did would be right for some people,
wrong for others, and whatever he did they'd never be as they once used
to be.
Or he could simply leave them to fall to bits by themselves.

Richard.

Anthony Robb wrote:


...
   There is much room for personal interpretation on top of this basic
   style difference. Letting people hear these differences is 
important.
   As for so-called bad habits these must surely be/have been 
pleasing

   to the players themselves at some point and are therefore valid in
   their own right even if others may find them displeasing. 
Copying these
   personal idiosyncracies is one thing, and each player can decide 
this

   for themselves, ignoring the regional accent completely is another
   thing altogether!
   I would say go for it Colin, a person with your background can 
not help

   but make a valuable contribution to the body of piping knowledge.
   As aye
   Anthony






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[NSP] Re: Midi, rhythm, popping, agogics, psycho

2009-03-11 Thread Barry Say
On 11 Mar 2009 at 18:39, Robert Greef wrote:

 So some aural illusions at work, it would seem. Anyone for psychoacoustics?
 
 Robert
 

I think so. 

When we hear a sound and it stops, our brains retain a memory of the sound so 
that when we hear a subsequent sound we can compare the two and hear a 
harmonious interval. Thus we can hear a scale, an arpeggio, an octave. This is 
part of what allows us to appreciate music. I believe that presented with good 
detached playing the listener can be  unaware of the small gaps between notes.

Conversely when a note starts suddenly it has great impact. The transition from 
silence to tone can appear almost percussive. As the note continues at a 
constant volume the listener becomes accustomed to the pitch and volume and the 
note appears to be less dramatic. It appears to drop in intensity.

By varying the length and spacing of notes subtle emphases can be introduced 
into the playing.

If we consider the four-note patterns common in tunes the Peacock Collection 
and the Clough Manuscripts, there is a 'magic' speed at which the notes, 
although detached, appear to 'bounce off' each other. For best effect,  the 
speed of the whole tune must be set so that these rapid successions of notes 
work as a unit.

You mention Chris Ormston as a master of this technique. He is of course merely 
following a well trodden path. While we know he has based his playing on the 
Clough tradition, examination of historical recordings of Joe Hutton, George 
Armstrong and Billy Pigg show very similar note shapes. I am coming to think 
that Billy's playing has been misrepresented by concentrating too much on the 
flourishes rather than emulating the underlying, solid technique. Chris has 
also recommended these earlier recordings.

I am aware of of several players in the North-East who are emulating this 
style. Some have been playing longer than I have and some far less. The 
traditional style is continuing, but many of the supporters are not in the 
public eye.

Barry



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[NSP] Re: First 30 tunes

2009-03-11 Thread anthony

   Hello Colin
   What I am trying to get across is precisely the fact that the tunes
   themselves were played as rants at musical gatherings with no
   suggestion of dance involved. Yes, there are similarities to the polka
   rhythm but Rant tunes tend to be crotchet rich and have, to my ears,
   quite a different feel (as anyone familiar with Will Taylor's rendition
   of the Pearl Wedding or Nancy Taylor will realise - polkas they
   ain't!).  Dancers can indeed just get on and rant along to most reels.
   In fact 3 Rothburys ago I Ranted the whole of a very long Dashing White
   Sergeant set to full-on reels played by 422. Not as satisfying as rants
   but acceptable and more fun than a gym workout.
   It was the labelling of tunes such as Whinham's Reel and Lamshaw's
   Fancy as marches which I found particularly misleading. Perhaps
   calling them Polkas would have closer to the mark.
   It's funny you know, but back in the late 70s I remember a
   music evening at the Dickson's near Wooler when John Dagg chipped in
   over a similar reel/rant discussion instigated by something the
   Toonies (in this case represented by Foster Charlton) had
   said. Foster had apparently suggested that there were so many notes
   in such and such a tune that it had to be a Reel not a Rant .  John's
   comment, I don't give a doodies [sic] how many notes it has you can
   still give it a good rant rhythm, remains etched in my memory. This
   discussion is far from new and only goes to emphasise the differences
   in understanding and approach across a mere 40 miles of countryside!
   Regards
   Anthony

--- On Wed, 11/3/09, rosspi...@aol.com rosspi...@aol.com wrote:

 From: rosspi...@aol.com rosspi...@aol.com
 Subject: [NSP] Re: First 30 tunes
 To: anth...@robbpipes.com
 Cc: nsp@cs.dartmouth.edu
 Date: Wednesday, 11 March, 2009, 4:20 PM

   Dear Anthony,
   Since you are now on the List I feel I can respond to your fascination
   with gobstoppers and tomato soup. I was going to comment on what you
   were saying about playing Rants and how deeply disappointed you were
   that none of the tunes in the 30 tunes collection were called RANTS. I
   think the reason is simple enough in that the rant is a dance step and
   not a specific tune rhythm. A tune with that rhythm consistently
   throughout the music would be a polka. The tune Hesleyside Reel only
   has it specifically written into the music at the end of the four bar
   phrases in the A part and at the end of the tune. The dancers however
   are stepping throughout the tune so in calling it a reel we were not
   wrong only in not mentioning in the forward that Julia wrote that tunes
   like this can and maybe should be stepped with a rant step. I have been
   playing this tune for many years now with the High Level Ranters and
   concentrate on keeping a good bouncy rhythm along with other tunes that
   can be called reels or hornpipes like the Morpeth Rant and leave the
   dancers to get on with their footwork.
   Cheers,
   Colin R
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   To: [2]john_da...@hmco.com; [3]rosspi...@aol.com
   CC: [4]...@cs.dartmouth.edu
   Sent: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 15:52
   Subject: Re: [NSP] Re: First 30 tunes
   Dear Colin, John et al.

   I think we should be distinguishing between Regional and personal
   styles here.
   Reels in the most of the British Isles (and elsewhere) have a pulse
   which can be interpreted as:

   Gob-stopper, gob-stopper, gob-stopper, gob-stopper.

   In Northumberland many of these tunes would be played as Rants which
   have a pulse:

   Tomato soup, tomato soup, tomato soup, tomato soup

   There is much room for personal interpretation on top of this basic
   style difference. Letting people hear these differences is important.
   As for so-called bad habits these must surely be/have been pleasing
   to the players themselves at some point and are therefore valid in
   their own right even if others may find them displeasing. Copying these
   personal idiosyncracies is one thing, and each player can decide this
   for themselves, ignoring the regional accent completely is another
   thing altogether!
   I would say go for it Colin, a person with your background can not help
   but make a valuable contribution to the body of piping knowledge.
   As aye
   Anthony
   --- On Wed, 11/3/09, [5]rosspi...@aol.com [6]rosspi...@aol.com wrote:
   From: [7]rosspi...@aol.com [8]rosspi...@aol.com
   Subject: [NSP] Re: First 30 tunes
   To: [9]john_da...@hmco.com
   Cc: [10]...@cs.dartmouth.edu
   Date: Wednesday, 11 March, 2009, 1:12 PM
   Dear John,
   No, it would not do at all for me to play the tunes as20I would be
   imprinting my own style, whatever that is, on the tunes with all the
   bad habits of gracing I have picked up over the years.. This would also
   apply to other pipers who have learnt from 'the old guys' and have
   developed a personal style 

[NSP] Response to Chris

2009-03-11 Thread Barry Say
On 11 Mar 2009 at 19:39, Chris Ormston wrote:

 
Other volume differences between notes on recordings may merely be due
to the fact that the sound comes out of various points on the chanter,
holes are different sizes (but I don't want to go there!!!) and it is
difficult to position microphones so that all notes are of equal
volume.
 

Since writing the article I have found a possible answer to the problem of 
anomalous note volumes. 

I recorded my own playing and considered the results in the light of what I had 
written. Notes I thought weak had a slow rise. 

Searching for a good reed I tried looking at the wave envelope as I played  
each reed and I saw loud notes at various points on the chanter. Eventually I 
got to a point where I had a pretty good reed but it was exceptionally strident 
on one note on the top hand. I tried a bit scrape and the problem shifted to 
another note. Another scrape and it went away.

Conclusion:

Looking at the waveform of a chanter on the computer can show volume 
differences between notes which have no effect on the enjoyment of music.

If a reed produces intrusive notes, it could be cured by scraping.




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