[NSP] Re: Pipe making
I notice there are no drawings of drone stocks on Mike Nelsons site. Are the C and B drone stocks still good to use or has anything changed? Also do all you makers use the same woode for the stocks as the rest of the pipes? Thanks Bob To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[NSP] Re: Key Matters. Not pipes, but of musical interest
I heard that programme too - I think the first of the series, I've not heard any others - and it was interesting, but incomplete. He talked about the supposed intrinsic qualities of D minor as used by several classical composers, and in some classic rock music, and tried to get to an answer for the question - is there really some special quality about each key? e.g. is D minor as used by Beethoven, Bruckner, Haydn etc. more "universally" tragic, solemn & serious than e.g. G minor, and would the D minor symphonies have the same emotional effect if e.g. transposed up to E flat minor. BUT he never mentioned the question of equal vs. unequal temperament, and he never mentioned the fact that pitch has changed over the centuries so that what we play as D minor now would have been closer to our C sharp minor in Haydn & Beethovens's time and to our E flat minor by the end of the 19th century. In the 18th century and earlier you often got different pitch standard in different countries. This history of course explains why our "G" pipes, designed in the late 18th century and not changed much since, play at what we now call F or nearer F sharp. Logically, with equal temperament, all keys should sound the same - composers in earlier times often exploited the effect of unequal temperament, which made keys sound very different from each other. Nevertheless, there is a different feel - is it to do with where keys lie in the range of the voices and/or instruments? Interesting. With NSP, of G major would sound more natural, because we don't tune them to equal temperament, and there's the difference of how many keys (metal ones that is) you have to use to play. Philip - Original Message - From: "Gibbons, John" To: Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 4:35 PM Subject: [NSP] Re: Key Matters. Not pipes, but of musical interest Well spotted. It's odd maybe that Gmaj on NSP has a similar feel to Gmaj on a flute, (comfortable, in some sense the native key of the instrument) but acoustically nearer to Fmaj. How much do these associations depend on the context? -Original Message- From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On Behalf Of tim rolls BT Sent: 03 February 2010 16:20 To: nsp@cs.dartmouth.edu Subject: [NSP] Key Matters. Not pipes, but of musical interest I'm not sure how many people outside the UK will be able to access this, as it''s a BBC thing and I know there can be problems, but there's an interesting series of 1/4 hr programmes on the radio this week called Key Matters. As links are a problem too I'll type it, go to bbc.co.uk/programmes/b009yzy3. Or just look for Key Matters on the Radio 4 section. Tim -- References Visible links Hidden links: 1. http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b009yzy3 To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.733 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2664 - Release Date: 02/02/10 19:35:00
[NSP] Re: Key Matters. Not pipes, but of musical interest
Here is a link to an interesting list of characteristics of musical keys that you might enjoy: http://www.wmich.edu/mus-theo/courses/keys.html According to this list, G Major evokes "everything rustic, idyllic and lyrical"... To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[NSP] Re: Pipe making
Just make sure you are using Sugar Maple, known in the woodworking trade as Rock Maple, rather than Red Maple, also called Soft Maple. As the woodworking terms imply, there is an appreciable difference in the hardness between the two species. Just my 2 cents worth. Richard - Original Message - From: To: Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 11:31 AM Subject: [NSP] Re: Pipe making Malcolm " . . . blackwood or ebony . . . "? I may live in California, but my genes are still Scottish! I work everything in maple until I'm absolutely sure of the dimensions, and only then does the expensive wood come out! BTW, I don't know of the availability of maple where you are, but it is just fine for pipemaking in terms of tone and workability. Alec In a message dated 2/2/2010 10:17:44 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, malcolm.sargea...@ntlworld.com writes: Looks like you have a D and F set. It's the new style Drill and Fill so common when a good reed is found for a crappy chanter. A mixture of powdered blackwood or ebony with super glue works wonders after filing then wet+dry then finnish off with a green scouring pad (nick the one from the kitchen sink) glue remover will free your hands from the chanter when finnished, have fun! Malcolm.-- CalecM wrote : I have just renamed the pipes I'm making. Only one drone, drone and chanter of different wood, chanter holes clearly moved by filling and re-drilling. May never be done. Only one thing they could be called: "Scottish half-dones" Alec MacLean -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- This message was sent on behalf of malcolm.sargea...@ntlworld.com at openSubscriber.com http://www.opensubscriber.com/message/nsp@cs.dartmouth.edu/13365874. html --
[NSP] Re: Key Matters. Not pipes, but of musical interest
Well spotted. It's odd maybe that Gmaj on NSP has a similar feel to Gmaj on a flute, (comfortable, in some sense the native key of the instrument) but acoustically nearer to Fmaj. How much do these associations depend on the context? -Original Message- From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On Behalf Of tim rolls BT Sent: 03 February 2010 16:20 To: nsp@cs.dartmouth.edu Subject: [NSP] Key Matters. Not pipes, but of musical interest I'm not sure how many people outside the UK will be able to access this, as it''s a BBC thing and I know there can be problems, but there's an interesting series of 1/4 hr programmes on the radio this week called Key Matters. As links are a problem too I'll type it, go to bbc.co.uk/programmes/b009yzy3. Or just look for Key Matters on the Radio 4 section. Tim -- References Visible links Hidden links: 1. http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b009yzy3 To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[NSP] Re: Pipe making
Malcolm " . . . blackwood or ebony . . . "? I may live in California, but my genes are still Scottish! I work everything in maple until I'm absolutely sure of the dimensions, and only then does the expensive wood come out! BTW, I don't know of the availability of maple where you are, but it is just fine for pipemaking in terms of tone and workability. Alec In a message dated 2/2/2010 10:17:44 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, malcolm.sargea...@ntlworld.com writes: Looks like you have a D and F set. It's the new style Drill and Fill so common when a good reed is found for a crappy chanter. A mixture of powdered blackwood or ebony with super glue works wonders after filing then wet+dry then finnish off with a green scouring pad (nick the one from the kitchen sink) glue remover will free your hands from the chanter when finnished, have fun! Malcolm.-- CalecM wrote : I have just renamed the pipes I'm making. Only one drone, drone and chanter of different wood, chanter holes clearly moved by filling and re-drilling. May never be done. Only one thing they could be called: "Scottish half-dones" Alec MacLean -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- This message was sent on behalf of malcolm.sargea...@ntlworld.com at openSubscriber.com http://www.opensubscriber.com/message/nsp@cs.dartmouth.edu/13365874. html --
[NSP] Key Matters. Not pipes, but of musical interest
I'm not sure how many people outside the UK will be able to access this, as it''s a BBC thing and I know there can be problems, but there's an interesting series of 1/4 hr programmes on the radio this week called Key Matters. As links are a problem too I'll type it, go to bbc.co.uk/programmes/b009yzy3. Or just look for Key Matters on the Radio 4 section. Tim -- References Visible links Hidden links: 1. http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b009yzy3 To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[NSP] Re: NSP Bellows
Clack-valves often dry out and take on a curve which no longer makes a seal with their housing. The quickest way to check is to extend the bellows, block the outlet tube with the left thumb, use the ball of the right thumb to seal the outer clack valve housing and press the bellows cheeks together. If airtight it's just the clack-valve at fault and that's easily remedied. If there's still a leak you've got bigger problems! Hopes this makes sense. Cheers Anthony --- On Wed, 3/2/10, colin wrote: From: colin Subject: [NSP] Re: NSP Bellows To: nsp@cs.dartmouth.edu Date: Wednesday, 3 February, 2010, 0:13 What problems are you having? Although you probably know more about it than me, I do remember being rather embarrassed when I had problems with my bellows after I did a little maintenance on them. I thought they were leaking and it turned out the valve was upside-down so not closing. As you suggest they are problematic only after having them fettled, maybe someone here could suggest a fix? Colin Hill - Original Message - From: <[1]pipe...@tiscali.co.uk> To: <[2]...@cs.dartmouth.edu> Sent: Tuesday, February 02, 2010 7:50 PM Subject: [NSP] NSP Bellows > > Hi All, > > Not a discussion point more a cry for help!!! > > Having just had my pipes "fettled" after a few years of abuse I now > find I have some problems with the bellows. > > Does anyone have a set of fairly standard bellows that they no longer > use and would be willing to sell them? > > If not in the best of condition,providing they could be reasonably > "fettled" , then I would be grateful for help. > > If anyone can help could you please contact me directly at > [3]pipe...@tiscali.co.uk > > Living in hope > > Guy Tindale > > > > > > To get on or off this list see list information at > [4]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html > > -- References 1. http://uk.mc5.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=pipe...@tiscali.co.uk 2. http://uk.mc5.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=...@cs.dartmouth.edu 3. http://uk.mc5.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=pipe...@tiscali.co.uk 4. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
