[NSP] Re: Has there ever been an NSP with _all_ keys (no open holes)?
On 23 Mar 2011, inky-adrian wrote: yes, it's in the Bowes museum. A bagpipe, part Northumberland-all keyed and part Union. There was a short article about it in an NPS mag many years ago (late 80s? - I haven't time to check) Off the top of my head, I think the conclusion was road-to-nowhere (if it ever worked at all). I haven't seen it. Julia To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[NSP] Re: Has there ever been an NSP with _all_ keys (no open holes)?
I haven't seen the Bowes Museum pipes either. I've never been to the museum even though I've driven through Barnard Castle at least a hundred times, but always on the way to or from Durham or Newcastle - no time to stop or well outside museum opening hours. However, I think it's very well worth going not just for those strange pipes. There is a picture of them here http://www.thebowesmuseum.org.uk/collections/objects/category/8/3396/ If the direct link doesn't work, go to the Bowes Museum website http://www.thebowesmuseum.org.uk/ and use search the collection - musical instruments. I must look out the article in the NPS journal, but has it been suggested that the pipes are in fact a Sordellina - or at least a nineteenth century attempt to carry on the Sordellina tradition? The turning and drone ends do look more Irish Union-pipe or Northumbrian, rather like Reid's work in fact, but that inlaid stock looks very continental - more French than Italian perhaps. It looks as if there may be two chanters, plus that extraordinary doubled-back regulator which is very characteristic of the Sordellina - perhaps the ultimate in elaborate but dead-end bagpipe invention, invented in Naples in the 16th century and developed during the 17th. Mersenne has a famously impossible-looking picture, with the note that he hasn't seen one, but includes a drawing so that French instrument makers could attempt to build it. The theory was that compositions in four-parts All you need to know about it in this article - plus pictures right at the end. http://www.seanreidsociety.org/SRSJ2/the%20sordellina.pdf Philip To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[NSP] Re: Has there ever been an NSP with _all_ keys (no open holes)?
Hello All I've got a drawing from a local (Forest Hall) inventor with an arrangement of keys operated by the fingers which cover the open holes - at the same time. He doesn't play, make or own a set so I've no idea why he picked up on the idea that the NSP Chanter might need modification. Haven't found the time to try out his arrangement yet, chances are I might be too busy for a while. Regards, Nigel. To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[NSP] Re: Has there ever been an NSP with _all_ keys (no open holes)?
I've a recollection that adding all the keys to woodwind instruments wasn't just about being able to add extra notes, but because some notes can fit better with a fully chromatic scale if the holes are all different sizes, including some that are too big for fingers to cover. There's an article about it here, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boehm_System Would this give us any benefits? Even if it would, it sounds as though it would require a complete redesign of the chanter as well. Dru To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[NSP] Re: Has there ever been an NSP with _all_ keys (no open holes)?
And given that an instrument's design is (literally) instrumental in shaping its own repertoire, would it even be at all appropriate to do so? Best wishes, Richard. On 23/03/2011 11:15, Dru Brooke-Taylor wrote: I've a recollection that adding all the keys to woodwind instruments wasn't just about being able to add extra notes, but because some notes can fit better with a fully chromatic scale if the holes are all different sizes, including some that are too big for fingers to cover. There's an article about it here, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boehm_System Would this give us any benefits? Even if it would, it sounds as though it would require a complete redesign of the chanter as well. Dru To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html --- Text inserted by Panda IS 2011: This message has NOT been classified as spam. If it is unsolicited mail (spam), click on the following link to reclassify it: http://localhost:6083/Panda?ID=pav_2436SPAM=truepath=C:\Documents%20and%20Settings\Richard\Local%20Settings\Application%20Data\Panda%20Security\Panda%20Internet%20Security%202011\AntiSpam ---
[NSP] Re: Has there ever been an NSP with _all_ keys (no open holes)?
I suppose the if it ain't broke, don't fix it rule applies but I can well see the point if, due to a disability, one needed something away from the norm (anyone invented an electric pump to fill the bag yet, I'm finding pumping the bellows a hard task these days - lol). Although not a disability, I do remember my old friend the late Pete Rowley making himself a left handed set of pipes some years ago so adapting is possible. As said, most keys have been added to increase the notes available from something that uses fingers to cover holes so maybe a redesign isn't that daft a suggestion as the origins of most wind instruments are very ancient. The melodica? I class mine as keyboard rather than wind (otherwise where do we place a church organ or a harmonium - my harmonium had reeds like a concertina - oh, is that a wind instrument as well?). Slippery slope here. Really interesting discussion though. Colin Hill - Original Message - From: Richard York rich...@lizards.force9.co.uk To: NSP group nsp@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2011 11:34 AM Subject: [NSP] Re: Has there ever been an NSP with _all_ keys (no open holes)? And given that an instrument's design is (literally) instrumental in shaping its own repertoire, would it even be at all appropriate to do so? Best wishes, Richard. On 23/03/2011 11:15, Dru Brooke-Taylor wrote: I've a recollection that adding all the keys to woodwind instruments wasn't just about being able to add extra notes, but because some notes can fit better with a fully chromatic scale if the holes are all different sizes, including some that are too big for fingers to cover. There's an article about it here, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boehm_System Would this give us any benefits? Even if it would, it sounds as though it would require a complete redesign of the chanter as well. Dru To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html --- Text inserted by Panda IS 2011: This message has NOT been classified as spam. If it is unsolicited mail (spam), click on the following link to reclassify it: http://localhost:6083/Panda?ID=pav_2436SPAM=truepath=C:\Documents%20and%20Settings\Richard\Local%20Settings\Application%20Data\Panda%20Security\Panda%20Internet%20Security%202011\AntiSpam ---
[NSP] Re: Still looking for an F set!
You want us to recommend a maker? ha, ha, ha. On Wed, Mar 23, 2011 at 4:02 AM, Gordon Brown gor...@10db.co.uk wrote: My wife Alison has a Burleigh D set is still looking for an F set so that she can play along with other pipers - not that there are many in East Anglia! If anyone has a set for sale or knows of one that may be available, please let me know. The alternative is that we look for a new set, although I'm bracing myself for the long wait. On that basis, does anyone have any recommendations for a nice traditional/conventional F set? As I've had a good year price is not the main consideration, quality and reliability are. Cheers Gordon -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[NSP] Re: Still looking for an F set!
Forgive me, but methinks that's a rather unhelpful response to a reasonable if admittedly diplomatically difficult request, John. Perhaps people who like their own pipes might answer Gordon off-list? Richard. On 23/03/2011 14:35, John Dally wrote: You want us to recommend a maker? ha, ha, ha. On Wed, Mar 23, 2011 at 4:02 AM, Gordon Browngor...@10db.co.uk wrote: My wife Alison has a Burleigh D set is still looking for an F set so that she can play along with other pipers - not that there are many in East Anglia! If anyone has a set for sale or knows of one that may be available, please let me know. The alternative is that we look for a new set, although I'm bracing myself for the long wait. On that basis, does anyone have any recommendations for a nice traditional/conventional F set? As I've had a good year price is not the main consideration, quality and reliability are. Cheers Gordon -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html --- Text inserted by Panda IS 2011: This message has NOT been classified as spam. If it is unsolicited mail (spam), click on the following link to reclassify it: http://localhost:6083/Panda?ID=pav_2471SPAM=truepath=C:\Documents%20and%20Settings\Richard\Local%20Settings\Application%20Data\Panda%20Security\Panda%20Internet%20Security%202011\AntiSpam ---
[NSP] Re: Still looking for an F set!
Thank you for that comment Richard, my own initial thoughts were somewhat less charitable, along the lines of someone who throws things, but I usually refrain from responding to that type of message as I well recognise that internet messages are often made in haste and lack contextual information that would indicate if they are intended to be light-hearted. As you have so well predicted, we have had a good number of replies with very interesting information and experiences, including one from yourself. We have also had the offer of two sets of pipes, one of which seems ideal. Gordon From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On Behalf Of Richard York Sent: 23 March 2011 15:43 To: NSP group Subject: [NSP] Re: Still looking for an F set! Forgive me, but methinks that's a rather unhelpful response to a reasonable if admittedly diplomatically difficult request, John. Perhaps people who like their own pipes might answer Gordon off-list? Richard. On 23/03/2011 14:35, John Dally wrote: You want us to recommend a maker? ha, ha, ha. On Wed, Mar 23, 2011 at 4:02 AM, Gordon Brown[1]gor...@10db.co.uk wrote: My wife Alison has a Burleigh D set is still looking for an F set so that she can play along with other pipers - not that there are many in East Anglia! If anyone has a set for sale or knows of one that may be available, please let me know. The alternative is that we look for a new set, although I'm bracing myself for the long wait. On that basis, does anyone have any recommendations for a nice traditional/conventional F set? As I've had a good year price is not the main consideration, quality and reliability are. Cheers Gordon -- To get on or off this list see list information at [2]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html --- Text inserted by Panda IS 2011: This message has NOT been classified as spam. If it is unsolicited mail (spam), click on the following link to reclassify it: [3]http://localhost:6083/Panda?ID=pav_2471SPAM=truepath=C:\Documents% 20and%20Settings\Richard\Local%20Settings\Application%20Data\Panda%20Se curity\Panda%20Internet%20Security%202011\AntiSpam --- ___ No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - [4]www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1204 / Virus Database: 1498/3523 - Release Date: 03/22/11 -- References 1. mailto:gor...@10db.co.uk 2. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html 3. http://localhost:6083/Panda?ID=pav_2471SPAM=truepath=C:\Documents%20and%20Settings\Richard\Local%20Settings\Application%20Data\Panda%20Security\Panda%20Internet%20Security%202011\AntiSpam 4. http://www.avg.com/
[NSP] Re: Still looking for an F set!
I would recommend Uwe Seitz who lives near HeilBrunn in Germany, his set are A440 F so one can play at concert pitch with a consort/ensemble/ etc and push a bit for F+ Dave Singleton On 3/23/2011 3:35 PM, John Dally wrote: You want us to recommend a maker? ha, ha, ha. On Wed, Mar 23, 2011 at 4:02 AM, Gordon Browngor...@10db.co.uk wrote: My wife Alison has a Burleigh D set is still looking for an F set so that she can play along with other pipers - not that there are many in East Anglia! If anyone has a set for sale or knows of one that may be available, please let me know. The alternative is that we look for a new set, although I'm bracing myself for the long wait. On that basis, does anyone have any recommendations for a nice traditional/conventional F set? As I've had a good year price is not the main consideration, quality and reliability are. Cheers Gordon -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1204 / Virus Database: 1498/3524 - Release Date: 03/23/11
[NSP] Re: Still looking for an F set!
I suspect John was being humourous.after all if you ask five pipers for recommendations on makers you will often get six answers and and an argument (and thats just among the pipe makers!). I don't know if Mike Nelson is doing much making these days but he is in Cambridge and therefore local which could be an advantaqe. Ian Richard York wrote: Forgive me, but methinks that's a rather unhelpful response to a reasonable if admittedly diplomatically difficult request, John. Perhaps people who like their own pipes might answer Gordon off-list? Richard. On 23/03/2011 14:35, John Dally wrote: You want us to recommend a maker? ha, ha, ha. On Wed, Mar 23, 2011 at 4:02 AM, Gordon Browngor...@10db.co.uk wrote: My wife Alison has a Burleigh D set is still looking for an F set so that she can play along with other pipers - not that there are many in East Anglia! If anyone has a set for sale or knows of one that may be available, please let me know. The alternative is that we look for a new set, although I'm bracing myself for the long wait. On that basis, does anyone have any recommendations for a nice traditional/conventional F set? As I've had a good year price is not the main consideration, quality and reliability are. Cheers Gordon -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html --- Text inserted by Panda IS 2011: This message has NOT been classified as spam. If it is unsolicited mail (spam), click on the following link to reclassify it: http://localhost:6083/Panda?ID=pav_2471SPAM=truepath=C:\Documents%20and%20Settings\Richard\Local%20Settings\Application%20Data\Panda%20Security\Panda%20Internet%20Security%202011\AntiSpam ---
[NSP] Re: Still looking for an F set!
Sorry. :-( I guess I should have used the emoticon: :-) I forget that not everyone has as quick a wit as I do. ;-) Otherwise known as snark, picked up during my many years among thick skinned Highland pipers. }:-) Oh, I probably just offended someone again. ;-) Ian is much too nice to mention there have been deadly fueds between some makers, so discussing their many and various merits in public is a dangerous business. :-@ On Wed, Mar 23, 2011 at 9:26 AM, Ian Lawther irlawt...@comcast.net wrote: I suspect John was being humourous.after all if you ask five pipers for recommendations on makers you will often get six answers and and an argument (and thats just among the pipe makers!). I don't know if Mike Nelson is doing much making these days but he is in Cambridge and therefore local which could be an advantaqe. Ian Richard York wrote: Forgive me, but methinks that's a rather unhelpful response to a reasonable if admittedly diplomatically difficult request, John. Perhaps people who like their own pipes might answer Gordon off-list? Richard. On 23/03/2011 14:35, John Dally wrote: You want us to recommend a maker? ha, ha, ha. On Wed, Mar 23, 2011 at 4:02 AM, Gordon Browngor...@10db.co.uk wrote: My wife Alison has a Burleigh D set is still looking for an F set so that she can play along with other pipers - not that there are many in East Anglia! If anyone has a set for sale or knows of one that may be available, please let me know. The alternative is that we look for a new set, although I'm bracing myself for the long wait. On that basis, does anyone have any recommendations for a nice traditional/conventional F set? As I've had a good year price is not the main consideration, quality and reliability are. Cheers Gordon -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html --- Text inserted by Panda IS 2011: This message has NOT been classified as spam. If it is unsolicited mail (spam), click on the following link to reclassify it: http://localhost:6083/Panda?ID=pav_2471SPAM=truepath=C:\Documents%20and%20Settings\Richard\Local%20Settings\Application%20Data\Panda%20Security\Panda%20Internet%20Security%202011\AntiSpam ---
[NSP] Pipe makers
Ian Lawther wrote: I don't know if Mike Nelson is doing much making these days but he is in Cambridge and therefore local which could be an advantaqe. Hello all Mike has just taken delivery of enough bits of Sage pipes to make 6 sets for use at this years' Cambridge Festival and so is not likely to be able to help out in the near future. As it seems that a set of pipes is needed fairly quickly the best plan would be to try out as many sets as possible on approval. I'd go with how well the instrument plays rather than who made it. Cheers Anthony -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
