[NSP] Re: even more on G and D
On Tue, 17/5/11, inky-adrian inky-adr...@ntlworld.com wrote: Dear all, Who is this Allis thingy person? What are you on about, Anthony? E major..no! She can't do it-unless it's crap Adrian Hello Adrian I'm wonderting if you need to get out more? Alice Burn is a piper from Beal near Holy Island who has been studying music at St Mary's School Edinburgh and is gaining a good reputation among those lucky enough to hear her. She is at home both with the north Northumbrian tradition and modern approaches. For me she is rather special because her ego is in inverse cubic proportion to her talent. Believe me, neither she nor Catriona Macdonald do crap! Perhaps this might be a case of if the crap fits... Anthony -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[NSP] Re: even more on G and D
Hi Anthony Any idea what the E major reel was? It would be fun to give it a go. Dave Dave Shaw, Northumbrian and Scottish Smallpipes, Irish Pipes and SHAW Whistles www.daveshaw.co.uk - Original Message - From: Anthony Robb anth...@robbpipes.com To: Dartmouth NPS nsp@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2011 8:36 AM Subject: [NSP] Re: even more on G and D On Tue, 17/5/11, inky-adrian inky-adr...@ntlworld.com wrote: Dear all, Who is this Allis thingy person? What are you on about, Anthony? E major..no! She can't do it-unless it's crap Adrian Hello Adrian I'm wonderting if you need to get out more? Alice Burn is a piper from Beal near Holy Island who has been studying music at St Mary's School Edinburgh and is gaining a good reputation among those lucky enough to hear her. She is at home both with the north Northumbrian tradition and modern approaches. For me she is rather special because her ego is in inverse cubic proportion to her talent. Believe me, neither she nor Catriona Macdonald do crap! Perhaps this might be a case of if the crap fits... Anthony -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[NSP] Re: even more on G and D
--- On Tue, 17/5/11, Dave Shaw d...@daveshaw.co.uk wrote: Hi Anthony Any idea what the E major reel was? It would be fun to give it a go. Dave Hello Dave I'll try and find out - I noticed the different tonality and only asked what key it was in. Once I got the answer I did not pursue my enquiry! I'll ask Alice tomorrow when I see her but tune names are not her strong point. Will email Catriona too. They played it in the Millennium Square in Durham as part of the Festival after Catriona ran the Hotshots group at the Youth Summer School. Knowing Catriona it would all be done by ear but she did express delight (and surprise) that a piper could manage it. Cheers Anthony From: Dave Shaw d...@daveshaw.co.uk Subject: [NSP] Re: even more on G and D To: Dartmouth NPS nsp@cs.dartmouth.edu, Anthony Robb anth...@robbpipes.com Date: Tuesday, 17 May, 2011, 11:34 Hi Anthony Any idea what the E major reel was? It would be fun to give it a go. Dave -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[NSP] E major tune
Hello Dave all Catriona has got back to me: The tune was called the Lounge Bar - written by Norwegian fiddler Annlaug Borsheim. I've asked her for the dots if poss. Something has clicked in my old brain and I'm thinking it might have been a jig - not a reel - but it fairly rocked along. Will keep you posted Anthony -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[NSP] Re: E major tune
It is remarkable that an Emaj tune can be played successfully, 4 sharps away from the NSP's home key. It might be easier if the tune was on a gapped scale rather than full-blown E major, but it is hard to avoid the E-B interval, which isn't quite a 5th on NSP, but should be in this key. Playing on the keys rather than fingerholes slows us mortals down, too. I'd like to see the dots or abc of the tune, just to know what some people are managing nowadays. John -Original Message- From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On Behalf Of Anthony Robb Sent: 17 May 2011 14:00 To: Dartmouth NPS Subject: [NSP] E major tune Hello Dave all Catriona has got back to me: The tune was called the Lounge Bar - written by Norwegian fiddler Annlaug Borsheim. I've asked her for the dots if poss. Something has clicked in my old brain and I'm thinking it might have been a jig - not a reel - but it fairly rocked along. Will keep you posted Anthony -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[NSP] Re: E major tune
--- On Tue, 17/5/11, Gibbons, John j.gibb...@imperial.ac.uk wrote: It is remarkable that an Emaj tune can be played successfully, 4 sharps away from the NSP's home key. It might be easier if the tune was on a gapped scale rather than full-blown E major, but it is hard to avoid the E-B interval, which isn't quite a 5th on NSP, but should be in this key. Playing on the keys rather than fingerholes slows us mortals down, too. I'd like to see the dots or abc of the tune, just to know what some people are managing nowadays. Hello John all Neil Tavernor kindly sent attachments of two versions in ABC from JC tune finder. Here's a link to ABC and sheetmusic formats: [1]http://www.thesession.org/tunes/display/8853/comments Anthony To get on or off this list see list information at [2]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. http://www.thesession.org/tunes/display/8853/comments 2. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[NSP] Re: E major tune
Anthony, can you explain why one would want to play such a tune in Emaj, when it fits nicely in Gmaj? Just wondering... On May 17, 2011, at 10:19 AM, Anthony Robb wrote: --- On Tue, 17/5/11, Gibbons, John j.gibb...@imperial.ac.uk wrote: It is remarkable that an Emaj tune can be played successfully, 4 sharps away from the NSP's home key. It might be easier if the tune was on a gapped scale rather than full-blown E major, but it is hard to avoid the E-B interval, which isn't quite a 5th on NSP, but should be in this key. Playing on the keys rather than fingerholes slows us mortals down, too. I'd like to see the dots or abc of the tune, just to know what some people are managing nowadays. Hello John all Neil Tavernor kindly sent attachments of two versions in ABC from JC tune finder. Here's a link to ABC and sheetmusic formats: [1]http://www.thesession.org/tunes/display/8853/comments Anthony To get on or off this list see list information at [2]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. http://www.thesession.org/tunes/display/8853/comments 2. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html Rick Damon richard.a.damon@dartmouth.edu A computer without Windows is like a chocolate chip cookie without ketchup.
[NSP] Re: E major tune
Hello Rick That's probably a one for Catriona but I'll take a stab - a) It's the key it seems to have been written in b) It probably fits well on the fiddle and that's what the teacher played c) When people alter keys like that (eg. Calliope House from Emaj to Dmaj) something is lost and most importantly d) It sounded really lovely in that key. In this particular instance Alice was the only piper among a group of hotshot players - mostly fiddlers - so she just fitted in. The thing was she made such a good job of it Catriona dropped a group of about 10 down to just her and Alice to really punch it along as a middle tune in a great set. Anthony --- On Tue, 17/5/11, Rick Damon richard.a.damon@dartmouth.edu wrote: From: Rick Damon richard.a.damon@dartmouth.edu Subject: Re: [NSP] Re: E major tune To: Anthony Robb anth...@robbpipes.com Cc: Dartmouth NPS nsp@cs.dartmouth.edu Date: Tuesday, 17 May, 2011, 15:21 Anthony, can you explain why one would want to play such a tune in Emaj, when it fits nicely in Gmaj? Just wondering... On May 17, 2011, at 10:19 AM, Anthony Robb wrote: --- On Tue, 17/5/11, Gibbons, John [1]j.gibb...@imperial.ac.uk wrote: It is remarkable that an Emaj tune can be played successfully, 4 sharps away from the NSP's home key. It might be easier if the tune was on a gapped scale rather than full-blown E major, but it is hard to avoid the E-B interval, which isn't quite a 5th on NSP, but should be in this key. Playing on the keys rather than fingerholes slows us mortals down, too. I'd like to see the dots or abc of the tune, just to know what some people are managing nowadays. Hello John all Neil Tavernor kindly sent attachments of two versions in ABC from JC tune finder. Here's a link to ABC and sheetmusic formats: [1][2]http://www.thesession.org/tunes/display/8853/comments Anthony To get on or off this list see list information at [2][3]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. [4]http://www.thesession.org/tunes/display/8853/comments 2. [5]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html Rick Damon [6]richard.a.damon@dartmouth.edu A computer without Windows is like a chocolate chip cookie without ketchup. -- References 1. http://uk.mc5.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=j.gibb...@imperial.ac.uk 2. http://www.thesession.org/tunes/display/8853/comments 3. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html 4. http://www.thesession.org/tunes/display/8853/comments 5. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html 6. http://uk.mc5.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=richard.a.damon@dartmouth.edu
[NSP] Re: E major tune
Thanks, Anthony. That is helpful. Now I'll just have to give it a try both ways to see how each sounds I guess. I don't think an ABC player cuts it for this sort of thing. -- Rick On May 17, 2011, at 10:45 AM, Anthony Robb wrote: Hello Rick That's probably a one for Catriona but I'll take a stab - a) It's the key it seems to have been written in b) It probably fits well on the fiddle and that's what the teacher played c) When people alter keys like that (eg. Calliope House from Emaj to Dmaj) something is lost and most importantly d) It sounded really lovely in that key. In this particular instance Alice was the only piper among a group of hotshot players - mostly fiddlers - so she just fitted in. The thing was she made such a good job of it Catriona dropped a group of about 10 down to just her and Alice to really punch it along as a middle tune in a great set. Anthony --- On Tue, 17/5/11, Rick Damon richard.a.damon@dartmouth.edu wrote: From: Rick Damon richard.a.damon@dartmouth.edu Subject: Re: [NSP] Re: E major tune To: Anthony Robb anth...@robbpipes.com Cc: Dartmouth NPS nsp@cs.dartmouth.edu Date: Tuesday, 17 May, 2011, 15:21 Anthony, can you explain why one would want to play such a tune in Emaj, when it fits nicely in Gmaj? Just wondering... On May 17, 2011, at 10:19 AM, Anthony Robb wrote: --- On Tue, 17/5/11, Gibbons, John j.gibb...@imperial.ac.uk wrote: It is remarkable that an Emaj tune can be played successfully, 4 sharps away from the NSP's home key. It might be easier if the tune was on a gapped scale rather than full-blown E major, but it is hard to avoid the E-B interval, which isn't quite a 5th on NSP, but should be in this key. Playing on the keys rather than fingerholes slows us mortals down, too. I'd like to see the dots or abc of the tune, just to know what some people are managing nowadays. Hello John all Neil Tavernor kindly sent attachments of two versions in ABC from JC tune finder. Here's a link to ABC and sheetmusic formats: [1]http://www.thesession.org/tunes/display/8853/comments Anthony To get on or off this list see list information at [2]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. http://www.thesession.org/tunes/display/8853/comments 2. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html Rick Damon richard.a.damon@dartmouth.edu A computer without Windows is like a chocolate chip cookie without ketchup. Rick Damon richard.a.damon@dartmouth.edu A computer without Windows is like a chocolate chip cookie without ketchup. --
[NSP] Re: Cocks Bryan Book for sale
Personally, I think that any attempt to compare Mike Nelson's Book and website with the Cocks and Bryan Pipemaking book is a bit like comparing apples and pears. Jim Bryan's book was an honest attempt at getting at getting information about pipemaking as it was understood within NPS circles into the public domain and he received some criticism for 'revealing secrets'. The main value of the book lies in the drawings as far as I am concerned. They have there inaccuracies and in some cases errors but nevertheless they contain much valuable information about classic pipe design. Many pipemakers (including Mike Nelson) have started their 'careers' by making the a set of pipes using the drawings of a simple set made by Dunn for Peacock. Mike Nelson brought his skills in engineering design to pipemaking and made a small number of sets (which are highly valued by their owners) and made his knowledge available to the piping community, initially through his book (published by Richard Butler) and more recently via his website. I have certainly encountered many parts of pipes which obviously came from Mike's drawings and I am aware that his book was widely photocopied. Barry Quoting Richard Shuttleworth rshuttlewo...@sympatico.ca: Mine is a hardback edition in pristine condition. Never used - I prefer the information on Mike Nelson's web site. Richard - Original Message - From: Philip Gruar phi...@gruar.clara.net To: nsp@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Friday, May 13, 2011 5:41 PM Subject: [NSP] Re: Cocks Bryan Book for sale I've got one with probably even more oil stains than the one for sale. Perhaps I could get more than $100 for mine. Philip To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[NSP] Re: Cocks Bryan Book for sale
It's interesting reading about the view that the Cocks and Bryan book was criticised for revealing 'secrets'. Pipe making wasn't the only 'secret' treasured by by those in the know' from the North East of England. Leek growing was another area of expertise where tempers ran high when secrets were shared and custom and practice challenged. I witnessed many vehement arguments regarding the growing of exhibition leeks and wondered how grown men could allow themselves to be dominated by the obsession with secrecy and the preservation of the status quo. I gave up on the growing of leeks as I didn't have the passion and commitment. I do however have a set of s/h pipes, as yet unplayed by me, made by Mick Wilkins I also have the Cock and Bryan book and the unrealised ambition to make a set of my own. Does anyone know of Mick Wilkins? Apparently he lived in Bradford, UK. Vernon On 17 May 2011, at 22:46, barr...@nspipes.co.uk wrote: Personally, I think that any attempt to compare Mike Nelson's Book and website with the Cocks and Bryan Pipemaking book is a bit like comparing apples and pears. Jim Bryan's book was an honest attempt at getting at getting information about pipemaking as it was understood within NPS circles into the public domain and he received some criticism for 'revealing secrets'. The main value of the book lies in the drawings as far as I am concerned. They have there inaccuracies and in some cases errors but nevertheless they contain much valuable information about classic pipe design. Many pipemakers (including Mike Nelson) have started their 'careers' by making the a set of pipes using the drawings of a simple set made by Dunn for Peacock. Mike Nelson brought his skills in engineering design to pipemaking and made a small number of sets (which are highly valued by their owners) and made his knowledge available to the piping community, initially through his book (published by Richard Butler) and more recently via his website. I have certainly encountered many parts of pipes which obviously came from Mike's drawings and I am aware that his book was widely photocopied. Barry Quoting Richard Shuttleworth rshuttlewo...@sympatico.ca: Mine is a hardback edition in pristine condition. Never used - I prefer the information on Mike Nelson's web site. Richard - Original Message - From: Philip Gruar phi...@gruar.clara.net To: nsp@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Friday, May 13, 2011 5:41 PM Subject: [NSP] Re: Cocks Bryan Book for sale I've got one with probably even more oil stains than the one for sale. Perhaps I could get more than $100 for mine. Philip To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
