[NSP] Re: pipe cases
I wondered if anyone had tried one of Tom and Will trumpet cases: http://www.tomandwill.com/ProductDetail.asp?ProductID=22TP%2D555Cat=Cases+%26+Bags+%2D+Trumpet as a case for as set of NSP? On paper they look about the same size as the rigid case I already have. I suspect the issue might be getting the bellows in the bottom? I do like the idea of a separate music case and being able to carry the whole thing on my back though. Sorry, especially in my first post to potentially set the cases thread off again! -- This message was sent on behalf of msdi...@btinternet.com at openSubscriber.com http://opensubscriber.com/message/nsp@cs.dartmouth.edu/13438472.html To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[NSP] Re: pipe cases
This is especially true if you have the skill and the right saw to cut the whole thing in two with a decent straight line which meets up with itself in all the right places... Richard. Paul Gretton wrote: BTW, anyone thinking of building their own (wooden) case might benefit from the following tip: Don't make the two parts separately - the case itself and the lid -- and then try to fit them together. What the factories do is build the case closed and then saw it open to create the two parts. This makes the woodwork much simpler and you get a more accurate joint. I was only alerted to this AFTER already building a couple of cases. D'oh... J Cheers, Paul Gretton -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
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On 19 Feb 2010, at 13:36, Richard York wrote: This is especially true if you have the skill and the right saw to cut the whole thing in two with a decent straight line which meets up with itself in all the right places... . . . . and the presence of mind to remove the pipes first. Francis To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
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If you want to build your own, but don't have too much in the way of (electric) tools... I first made a skeleton/frame (1/1), then lay a thin sheet of plywood (1 side top grade) on top of it As you mention about cutting - this made the cutting much easier, I used a cheap, hand-held jig saw/scroll type saw. Of course, to make everything fit together nicer, I then put a 1 wide finishing strip, brass corners and rubber feet. I think it came out rather nice looking. Oh, then of course comes putting in the foam padding... Victor On Fri, Feb 19, 2010 at 01:39, Paul Gretton [1]i...@gretton-willems.com wrote: BTW, anyone thinking of building their own (wooden) case might benefit from the following tip: Don't make the two parts separately - the case itself and the lid -- and then try to fit them together. What the factories do is build the case closed and then saw it open to create the two parts. This makes the woodwork much simpler and you get a more accurate joint. I was only alerted to this AFTER already building a couple of cases. D'oh... J Cheers, Paul Gretton -- To get on or off this list see list information at [2]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. mailto:i...@gretton-willems.com 2. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[NSP] Re: pipe cases
And beware of the Wrong sort of foam! For various instrument cases some years ago I got this superb stuff from a car upholsterer: foam-backed cloth with quite a raised nap - smashing and quite classy looking .. for the first 12 - 15 years. After which the foam de-natures and fills the case, and the instrument, with really annoying tiny bits of foam. Ideal in a hurdy gurdy. More recently I used free sheets of expanded polystyrene packing from some flat-pack furniture, cut glued in place with charity shop velvet curtain over the top. (PVA or Copydex) Heat impact protection, and the curtain looks classy as long as it's plain and dark. Richard. Victor Eskenazi wrote: .. Oh, then of course comes putting in the foam padding... To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
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On 19 Feb 2010, Richard York wrote: And beware of the Wrong sort of foam! .. for the first 12 - 15 years. After which the foam de-natures The old-style foam is grim stuff once past its use-by date. I've currently got here a retired NPS competition trophy which was packed in it and hasn't seen the light of day for about 15 years. The foam has degenerated into a collection of sticky. (oh dear I think I'm back to snotomers, sorry folks, that was unintentional) unpleasantnesses which are going to have to be painstakingly cleaned off both the trophy and the box it was lining before restoration of the box can commence. Luckily I have a volunteer for this job. Anyway the point of the story is perhaps that I wouldn't bet on any such substance being good for more than 10 years. We don't know what today's versions might do in the future. Good luck Julia To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
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Thanks to all who have responded to my question, on- and off-list. The suggestions, and the pipes-carrying solutions actually used by people here range from Kingham, whose website is worth a look just for the gallery of exotic instruments, but whose prices may be a little steep even for the most up-market set of pipes (£200 just for a basic bow case) - to a plastic bag from Sainsbury's. I'm exploring a few ideas, but haven't found the solution yet, so any more info and ideas for suppliers of lightweight, weather-proof, and preferably rigid cases of the right size and at the right price will still be welcome. Philip To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[NSP] Re: pipe cases
The best and most ingenious pipes-carrying solution I ever saw was devised and made by Jon Swayne. This consisted of a neat shoulder bag which unfolded to become the pipes bag. As I remember, the drones and chanter were removed safely and easily so they could be contained in the bag when on the move. Such a neat idea! Thanks, Philip for those interesting links. I particularly enjoyed the serpent case! Your specification: 'lightweight, weather-proof, and preferably rigid cases' might be best met by a maker of cases for scientific equipment to be taken on expeditions where the weight/ protective aspects are paramount. Such a source might provide a rather costly solution though perhaps someone may will have further ideas on this. Francis On 18 Feb 2010, at 13:08, Philip Gruar wrote: Thanks to all who have responded to my question, on- and off-list. The suggestions, and the pipes-carrying solutions actually used by people here range from Kingham, whose website is worth a look just for the gallery of exotic instruments, but whose prices may be a little steep even for the most up-market set of pipes (£200 just for a basic bow case) - to a plastic bag from Sainsbury's. I'm exploring a few ideas, but haven't found the solution yet, so any more info and ideas for suppliers of lightweight, weather-proof, and preferably rigid cases of the right size and at the right price will still be welcome. Philip To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[NSP] Re: pipe cases
I use a Pelican 1550 case that holds my NSP, Border Pipes, Flute, assorted whistles and even a few tune books. It is pretty big and bulky but Pelican cases are literally indestructable. I used last fall flying from Canada to England and back, had no hesitation giving it to the baggage handlers. I dont' think it even got scratched. The 1550 is a touch too big for Air Canada carry-on, and I was carrying a hurdy gurdy anyway. There is a Belgian on the HurdyGurdy list, who is in the military, who has tried to blow up his Pelican case (empty) with grenades but it survived intact. Granted the case is large, but if you travel and or fly it could save your instruments. Derek - Original Message - From: Philip Gruar phi...@gruar.clara.net Date: Thursday, February 18, 2010 6:19 am Subject: [NSP] Re: pipe cases To: Dartmouth NPS nsp@cs.dartmouth.edu Thanks to all who have responded to my question, on- and off- list. The suggestions, and the pipes-carrying solutions actually used by people here range from Kingham, whose website is worth a look just for the gallery of exotic instruments, but whose prices may be a little steep even for the most up-market set of pipes (-L-200 just for a basic bow case) - to a plastic bag from Sainsbury's. I'm exploring a few ideas, but haven't found the solution yet, so any more info and ideas for suppliers of lightweight, weather-proof, and preferably rigid cases of the right size and at the right price will still be welcome. Philip To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html --
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On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 2:30 PM, DEREK LOFTHOUSE [1]dloftho...@shaw.ca wrote: There is a Belgian on the HurdyGurdy list, who is in the military, who has tried to blow up his Pelican case (empty) with grenades but it survived intact. DON'T TRY THIS AT HOME ! -- References 1. mailto:dloftho...@shaw.ca To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
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I also use a Pelican 1550 case for my NSP when I am traveling between Canada and the UK. As Derek says, it is too big to use as carry-on for Air Canada but it meets British Airways carry-on dimensions. - Original Message - From: DEREK LOFTHOUSE dloftho...@shaw.ca To: Philip Gruar phi...@gruar.clara.net Cc: Dartmouth NPS nsp@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2010 9:30 AM Subject: [NSP] Re: pipe cases I use a Pelican 1550 case that holds my NSP, Border Pipes, Flute, assorted whistles and even a few tune books. It is pretty big and bulky but Pelican cases are literally indestructable. I used last fall flying from Canada to England and back, had no hesitation giving it to the baggage handlers. I dont' think it even got scratched. The 1550 is a touch too big for Air Canada carry-on, and I was carrying a hurdy gurdy anyway. There is a Belgian on the HurdyGurdy list, who is in the military, who has tried to blow up his Pelican case (empty) with grenades but it survived intact. Granted the case is large, but if you travel and or fly it could save your instruments. To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
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There are just too many obvious openings for unkind remarks about why one would bother to take the Gurdy out before trying the test but as a gurdy player I'm far too kind to make them. :-) Richard. There is a Belgian on the HurdyGurdy list, who is in the military, who has tried to blow up his Pelican case (empty) with grenades but it survived intact. To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[NSP] Re: pipe cases
I do recall, on another piping list, someone mentioning using a length of (wide) plastic drainpipe with a strap riveted on for carrying purposes (the ends being made from drainpipe end bits they use to seal off a pipe - the unused end being stuck with the solvent.. Of course, quite waterproof but one would have to ensure the bellows fitted in as well.. Colin Hill. That recommendation came from me and referred to cases for GHB practice chanters. I have made numerous cases for wind instruments out of drainpipe and have always found them extremely strong and convenient, not to mention very cheap. (I've even made them for cornetti - you can bend the drainpipe with boiling water.) They also have the advantage of not advertising the fact that they contain a valuable nickable instrument. I don't know if you can easily find a size that would accommodate bellows. The trouble is that the bigger the diameter, the greater the length you have to buy. At that diameter, you might need to buy thirty feet! Cheers, Paul Gretton To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
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GHB will of course need a much bigger pipe, and *both* ends should be stuck on. John -Original Message- From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On Behalf Of Paul Gretton Sent: 18 February 2010 16:52 To: 'colin'; 'Dartmouth NPS' Subject: [NSP] Re: pipe cases I do recall, on another piping list, someone mentioning using a length of (wide) plastic drainpipe with a strap riveted on for carrying purposes (the ends being made from drainpipe end bits they use to seal off a pipe - the unused end being stuck with the solvent.. Of course, quite waterproof but one would have to ensure the bellows fitted in as well.. Colin Hill. To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
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Richard, If you modify your end plugs so that the outer parts are square, it will not roll around in the back of your car. Also, if you have any kind of a carrying strap affixed to it, that to will stop the rolling effect. Of course, depending on the slope of the river bank, anything will roll/fall into the river :-) Victor On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 12:30, Richard York [1]rich...@lizards.force9.co.uk wrote: I have a really useful lightweight case made from the ribbed black duct/pipe/tube whatever you may call it, about 6 or 7 inch internal diameter, which I rescued from surplus when they were laying new electric cables near us some 12 years ago. The nice man said that that pile was surplus offcuts, so I rescued some, and passed the other bits on to other pipers. (It no longer says East Midlands Electricity so clearly on it any more.) My dad kindly turned some wood into end plugs, one removable for the lid, fitting into a junction bit that was lying around. I wouldn't trust it with grenades, nor even squaddies jumping up down on it (does this guy really hate his case so much?) but in normal robust use it's great, light, and waterproof. And you can tie a carrying strap firmly into the corrugations of the outside layer without having to make any holes in it. The only down side is that it's prone to roll, in the back of the car, or if placed on a slope, so no putting it down on riverbanks, for example! Keep your eyes open when driving past roadworks. They come in various sizes. Mine carries a set of Jon Swayne mouthblown G pipes very happily. I also use a drainpipe sawn in half longways and hinged, which came with a very second hand bass curtal I bought ages ago. It's even been tastefully covered with Fablon (remember it?!) wood effect sticky vinyl to make it look more like a proper case! Lined with foam, it works a treat. Best wishes, Richard. colin wrote: I do recall, on another piping list, someone mentioning using a length of (wide) plastic drainpipe with a strap riveted on for carrying purposes (the ends being made from drainpipe end bits they use to seal off a pipe - the unused end being stuck with the solvent.. Of course, quite waterproof but one would have to ensure the bellows fitted in as well.. Colin Hill. PS Yeah, I remember the Dutch guy and his Pelican case. I think he also has his squad jumping up and down on it as well. All survived. To get on or off this list see list information at [2]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. mailto:rich...@lizards.force9.co.uk 2. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/%7Ewbc/lute-admin/index.html
[NSP] Re: pipe cases
On the subject of pelican type cases, i am waiting to see what the following case is like. I've seen some of the companies other cases and they're very similar to pelican (100% waterproof, bombproof etc), but lighter. It seems like it would be the perfect fit for NSP and would fit all of your requirements. No idea on cost yet as apparently they won't be rolling of the production line for another couple of months. When i get to see one though i will report back. [1]http://www.plaber.com/2580.htm - Neil --- On Thu, 18/2/10, Philip Gruar phi...@gruar.clara.net wrote: From: Philip Gruar phi...@gruar.clara.net Subject: [NSP] Re: pipe cases To: Dartmouth NPS nsp@cs.dartmouth.edu Date: Thursday, 18 February, 2010, 13:08 Thanks to all who have responded to my question, on- and off-list. The suggestions, and the pipes-carrying solutions actually used by people here range from Kingham, whose website is worth a look just for the gallery of exotic instruments, but whose prices may be a little steep even for the most up-market set of pipes (-L-200 just for a basic bow case) - to a plastic bag from Sainsbury's. I'm exploring a few ideas, but haven't found the solution yet, so any more info and ideas for suppliers of lightweight, weather-proof, and preferably rigid cases of the right size and at the right price will still be welcome. Philip To get on or off this list see list information at [2]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. http://www.plaber.com/2580.htm 2. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[NSP] Re: pipe cases
On 16 Feb 2010, ch...@harris405.plus.com wrote: I've just bought a set of Uilleann pipes which was supplied with the case seen here: http://www.bagpipecase.com/ May be a little bigger than strictly necessary for a set of NSP, I've had one of these for several years. I bought it as a sample, intending possibly to buy and supply. At the time it was 60 something pounds. I saw John Bushby with one and it seemed like a good idea for those with multiple sets / several types of pipes.. It is very capacious (I've had up to 4 sets of drones, 6 chanters, all in tubes, and two sets of bellows in it), but relatively heavy (even when empty). It has lots of straps (shoulder / back pack / handles) and external pockets, so by evicting a couple of sets it's possible to carry camera, phone, lunch etc. There's also a compartment which takes A5 tunebooks well. It doesn't carry A4 or folders well so doesn't work as a filing system. There are external pockets for drinks etc. It can't be sat on or used as a music stand, but is a pretty robust soft case, if that makes sense. IIRC there was a considerable discount for buying 10 or more (cost went down to 40- something??) so in the unlikely event of being able to get buyers to co-operate it might be possible to bring the price per unit down to near gig bag level. I too have an outstanding order with Savage Hoy put in several years ago via Colin R, but nothing has materialised. (Nothing to do with Colin's efficiency - the guy at SH just hasn't been in touch). I know at one stage also, Barry was talking to Calton Cases of Aldershot, but nothing came of that either (IIRC might have been cost). I also have a hard (leatherette type covered plywood, I would think) case obtained via Colin R which comes from ...Pakistan, I think. It is cheap, sturdy and fairly standard box shape, but I personally have doubts about its longevity. The one I have is already showing scuff damage on its outer layer, despite not being used outside the house on more than a couple of occasions. But it was half the price of the bagpipecase one when I got it, so. Hope this helps Julia To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
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Mine came with my pipes from Bill Hedworth and is plywood covered with green leatherette with metal corners. Mine's still fine and now in it's 36th year (made 1974 or thereabouts) although the leatherette has lifted on few corners over that time (easy to glue down again). It's been through the post a couple of times as well without problems (chanters and drones wrapped in bits of silk shirt - bought for 50p in a charity shop and contained in stout cardboard tubes). I have no idea if he made it himself or if he bought it somewhere. It'll outlast me :-) Colin Hill - Original Message - From: Julia Say julia@nspipes.co.uk To: Dartmouth NPS nsp@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 9:51 AM Subject: [NSP] Re: pipe cases On 16 Feb 2010, ch...@harris405.plus.com wrote: I've just bought a set of Uilleann pipes which was supplied with the case seen here: http://www.bagpipecase.com/ May be a little bigger than strictly necessary for a set of NSP, I've had one of these for several years. I bought it as a sample, intending possibly to buy and supply. At the time it was 60 something pounds. I saw John Bushby with one and it seemed like a good idea for those with multiple sets / several types of pipes.. It is very capacious (I've had up to 4 sets of drones, 6 chanters, all in tubes, and two sets of bellows in it), but relatively heavy (even when empty). It has lots of straps (shoulder / back pack / handles) and external pockets, so by evicting a couple of sets it's possible to carry camera, phone, lunch etc. There's also a compartment which takes A5 tunebooks well. It doesn't carry A4 or folders well so doesn't work as a filing system. There are external pockets for drinks etc. It can't be sat on or used as a music stand, but is a pretty robust soft case, if that makes sense. IIRC there was a considerable discount for buying 10 or more (cost went down to 40- something??) so in the unlikely event of being able to get buyers to co-operate it might be possible to bring the price per unit down to near gig bag level. I too have an outstanding order with Savage Hoy put in several years ago via Colin R, but nothing has materialised. (Nothing to do with Colin's efficiency - the guy at SH just hasn't been in touch). I know at one stage also, Barry was talking to Calton Cases of Aldershot, but nothing came of that either (IIRC might have been cost). I also have a hard (leatherette type covered plywood, I would think) case obtained via Colin R which comes from ...Pakistan, I think. It is cheap, sturdy and fairly standard box shape, but I personally have doubts about its longevity. The one I have is already showing scuff damage on its outer layer, despite not being used outside the house on more than a couple of occasions. But it was half the price of the bagpipecase one when I got it, so. Hope this helps Julia To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[NSP] Re: pipe cases
I never new Bill Hedworth, but the notion that he would buy anything which he could make himself seems a bit unlikely. Bill's cases are sturdy and long-lasting in our British climate, however, I don't think they would respond well to modern baggage handling methods. The main section has a softwood lip round the opening which I think adds to the strength. The only real problem is that they are rather small and if the piper wants an alternative chanter or different bellows, packing the case can be a problem. On the other hand there isn't much room for the pipes to move inside the case which keeps them a lot safer. Barry Say colin wrote: Mine came with my pipes from Bill Hedworth and is plywood covered with green leatherette with metal corners. Mine's still fine and now in it's 36th year (made 1974 or thereabouts) although the leatherette has lifted on few corners over that time (easy to glue down again). It's been through the post a couple of times as well without problems (chanters and drones wrapped in bits of silk shirt - bought for 50p in a charity shop and contained in stout cardboard tubes). I have no idea if he made it himself or if he bought it somewhere. It'll outlast me :-) Colin Hill To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[NSP] Re: pipe cases
I've just bought a set of Uilleann pipes which was supplied with the case seen here: http://www.bagpipecase.com/ May be a little bigger than strictly necessary for a set of NSP, but one always has extras to get in. The case takes both my (half) Uilleann pipes and my NSP. Very nice case with lots of extra pockets and straps. Regards Chris Not a controversial discussion point, or anything interesting about the music, just a question to pipers and other pipe-makers - where do you get your cases, and what sort of case do you prefer? Before the set I've just finished I'd not a made a full set for some time, having mainly done just chanters, and before that I'd had several cases in stock, and now I find that the people I used to get cases from don't seem to be in business any more. Graham Spencer of Savage and Hoy used to do them for me, and I believe a couple of other pipe-makers. However, although he still has a webpage up, there's no reply to emails and the telephone numbers I have don't work. Does anyone have any information and/or opinions and help in sourcing good cases for NSP? Preferably within UK of course. Philip To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[NSP] Re: pipe cases
I would certainly interested in this discussion, have kept mine in a sax gig bag for years now with the chanter and drones inside plastic tubes (wrapped in old scarves) this has been the most portable and enduring bag, however after 13 years or so it is beginning to disintegrate. However I would like to find a gig bag type construction that is perhaps a more regular shape. s -Original Message- From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On Behalf Of Philip Gruar Sent: 16 February 2010 15:35 To: Dartmouth NPS Subject: [NSP] pipe cases Not a controversial discussion point, or anything interesting about the music, just a question to pipers and other pipe-makers - where do you get your cases, and what sort of case do you prefer? Before the set I've just finished I'd not a made a full set for some time, having mainly done just chanters, and before that I'd had several cases in stock, and now I find that the people I used to get cases from don't seem to be in business any more. Graham Spencer of Savage and Hoy used to do them for me, and I believe a couple of other pipe-makers. However, although he still has a webpage up, there's no reply to emails and the telephone numbers I have don't work. Does anyone have any information and/or opinions and help in sourcing good cases for NSP? Preferably within UK of course. Philip To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
