Re: [NTG-context] new beta (again)

[Hans Hagen]

Eckhart Guthöhrlein wrote:
On Wed, 20 Apr 2005 at 10:44:08+0200, Hans Hagen wrote:
Eckhart Guthöhrlein wrote:

Does somebody know which patches still have to be applied to texexec to
get it working?
in texexec.ini/rme set the engine switch to false

As mentioned before, that didn't help.
can you try todays alpha release?
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Re: [NTG-context] OpenType, Jenson, handling

[Adam Lindsay]

Hans Hagen said this at Fri, 22 Apr 2005 20:36:43 +0200:

>David Wooten wrote:
>> Greetings all,
>> 
>> Adam,
>> Have you had any success in using hanging alignment handling with Adobe 
>> Jenson Pro? The last reference to this I've found was in your 2003 My 
>> Way on the subject.
>
>it's indepent of the font,

Actually, the thing David asked about was a weird bug turned up between
FontForge's font conversion, that particular font, and the pdfetex of
that time. I haven't seen anything like that since, especially since
using the --lcdf switch.

In any case, that font works for me now.

texfont --ma --in --lcdf --pre --ve=adobe --co=jenson --va=liga,kern,onum,pnum
texfont --ma --in --lcdf --pre --ve=adobe --co=jenson --
va=liga,kern,smcp,lnum,tnum

- 8< ---

\loadmapfile[texnansi-LIGA-KERN-ONUM-PNUM-adobe-jenson]
\loadmapfile[texnansi-LIGA-KERN-SMCP-LNUM-TNUM-adobe-jenson]
\def\SerifTypefaceFeatures{LIGA-KERN-ONUM-PNUM}
\def\SerifCapsTypefaceFeatures{LIGA-KERN-SMCP-LNUM-TNUM}
% reduced from a more elaborate typescript
\starttypescript [serif] [JensonPro] [texnansi,ec,8r]
 \definefontsynonym[Serif] [\typescriptthree-
\SerifTypefaceFeatures-AJensonPro-Regular]  
[encoding=\typescriptthree,handling=pure]
 \definefontsynonym[SerifItalic]   [\typescriptthree-
\SerifTypefaceFeatures-AJensonPro-It]   
[encoding=\typescriptthree,handling=pure]
 \definefontsynonym[SerifBold] [\typescriptthree-
\SerifTypefaceFeatures-AJensonPro-Bold] 
[encoding=\typescriptthree,handling=pure]
 \definefontsynonym[SerifBoldItalic]   [\typescriptthree-
\SerifTypefaceFeatures-AJensonPro-BoldIt]   
[encoding=\typescriptthree,handling=pure]
 \definefontsynonym[SerifCaps] [\typescriptthree-
\SerifCapsTypefaceFeatures-AJensonPro-Regular]  
[encoding=\typescriptthree,handling=pure]
\stoptypescript

\definetypeface[jenny][rm][serif][JensonPro][default][encoding=texnansi]
\setupalign[hanging]
\setuptolerance[tolerant]
\setupbodyfont[jenny,12pt]

\def\compoundhyphen {\scale[sx=1.5]{-}}

\starttext
\startcolumns[n=2]
\dorecurse{3}{\input tufte \par \input knuth \par}
\stopcolumns
\stoptext

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Re: [NTG-context] Re: PracTeX Journal Number 2 out

[Adam Lindsay]

Hans Hagen said this at Fri, 22 Apr 2005 20:46:07 +0200:

>btw, adam's myways are missing in the archive (maybe other mayways as well)

I agree that they should be archived, (I'm susceptible to bit-rot like
everyone else), but boy, some of them feel really out-of-date already! I
retract any disparaging comments (don't think I made many) I might have
made about the state of ConTeXt's docs. :) 
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Re: [NTG-context] Re: total with of TABLE ?

[luigi.scarso]

Steffen Wolfrum wrote:
Not much left of those defined spaces, right?
Sorry, now I see.
I had made the pdf before postings, but I had not understood well it.
(option=stretch seem related with \hsize;
I must admit that when I 'm typeset tables, I always fix dimension, to 
avoid surprises:
I never use stretch.)

And what has your proposal to do with the idea of setting a "total 
width"?
core-ntb has changed from last time I saw it, and some things are not so 
clear to me now: I 'll try to investigate.

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[NTG-context] euro question

[jimarin]

Simple and perhaps one hundred times answered but,

how can I make the euro symbol in ConTeXt ?

thanks for being there,

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Re: [NTG-context] proposed convention for variation switching [wasRE:inheriting ...

[Adam Lindsay]

Idris Samawi Hamid said this at Fri, 22 Apr 2005 08:36:02 -0600:

>In any case whatever high-level framework we come up with should largely 
>be determined by your decision on the low/mid-level framework.

See, I beg to differ. 
Whatever high-level framework(s) we come up with should largely be
*independent* of what comes below. Implementation details change, but the
markup should live on independently. 

It's one of the drawbacks of these terse mid-level font switches (e.g.,
\ita). The brevity really helps save keying for users, and so they're
really inviting to be used by themselves in documents. The more
attractive and robust markup possibilities allowed by things like
\definestyle go unnoticed, and relatively unused.

So you can define your markup more semantically with \Emphasis{} and
\Acronym{} and \Arabic{} and \Bigger{} and \Slightlybolder{}, and Hans
can change the internals, you can change the font scheme, and everything
still manages to get along.

Disclaimer: I can't claim to have been doing things the structured way up
until now, but I've been thinking about it a lot lately.

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[NTG-context] Will the real palatino please stand up?

[John R. Culleton]

In the typescript file type-syn.tex the palatino font is defined
four times, twice for math and twice for serif.  The headers in
each pair are identical, e.g.:

\starttypescript [serif] [palatino] [name]


Assume I want to use the second serif typescript, the one that uses
the Palladio fonts. Using the \usetypescript statement, how do I
specify that particular script? 

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Re: [NTG-context] Re: PracTeX Journal Number 2 out

[Hans Hagen]

Adam Lindsay wrote:
Hans Hagen said this at Fri, 22 Apr 2005 20:46:07 +0200:

btw, adam's myways are missing in the archive (maybe other mayways as well)

I agree that they should be archived, (I'm susceptible to bit-rot like
everyone else), but boy, some of them feel really out-of-date already! I
retract any disparaging comments (don't think I made many) I might have
made about the state of ConTeXt's docs. :) 
that;s the drawback of electronic publishing, but i like the idea of a archive 
since it also show the state of context at a certain time.

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Re: [NTG-context] arranging + multipage \bTABLE + transparent color = bug?

[luigi.scarso]

Johan Sandblom wrote:
Mine is 
Did you compile the document with
texexec --arrange --pdf ?
 

Ok, now I can confirm your bug.
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Re: [NTG-context] Re: total with of TABLE ?

[luigi.scarso]

Steffen Wolfrum wrote:
For example:
I'd like to set a "total width" that fits both tables
without specifying also the 2nd and 3rd column:
\setupTABLE[totalwidth=10cm,offset=5pt]
\setupTABLE[column][1][width=1cm,align=left]
\setupTABLE[column][5][width=1cm,align=middle]

Try
\bTABLE[option=stretch]
\bTR\bTD aa \eTD\bTD bb \eTD\bTD cc \eTD\bTD dd \eTD\eTR
\bTR\bTD aa \eTD\bTD bb \eTD\bTD cc \eTD\bTD dd \eTD\eTR
\bTR\bTD aa \eTD\bTD  \eTD\bTD cc \eTD\bTD dd \eTD\eTR
\bTR\bTD aa \eTD\bTD bb \eTD\bTD cc \eTD\bTD dd \eTD\eTR
\bTR\bTD aa \eTD\bTD bb \eTD\bTD cc \eTD\bTD dd \eTD\eTR
\eTABLE
\blank
\bTABLE[option=stretch]
\bTR\bTD aa \eTD\bTD bb \eTD\bTD cc \eTD\bTD dd \eTD\eTR
\bTR\bTD aa \eTD\bTD bb \eTD\bTD cc \eTD\bTD dd \eTD\eTR
\bTR\bTD aa \eTD\bTD bb \eTD\bTD cc \eTD\bTD dd \eTD\eTR
\bTR\bTD aa \eTD\bTD bb \eTD\bTD  \eTD\bTD dd \eTD\eTR
\bTR\bTD aa \eTD\bTD bb \eTD\bTD cc \eTD\bTD dd \eTD\eTR
\eTABLE
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Re: [NTG-context] Re: PracTeX Journal Number 2 out

[Hans Hagen]

Patrick Gundlach wrote:
Hello,

Patrick, can we mirror the context articles in the wiki?

Thanks to the authors for their permission to mirror the nice
articles. I have added a link to
 to the
wiki:Web_resources.
great,
btw, adam's myways are missing in the archive (maybe other mayways as well)
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Re: [NTG-context] Turning off background(s), additional.

[John R. Culleton]

On Thursday 21 April 2005 08:27 am, Hans Hagen wrote:
> John R. Culleton wrote:
> > \setupbackgrounds[page][state=start,background=color,backgroundcolor=yell
> >ow]
>
> \setupbackgrounds[page][background=color,backgroundcolor=yellow]
>
> > \starttext
> > \startfrontmatter
> > \startstandardmakeup
> > ...(title page stuff)
> > \stopstandardmakeup
> > \setupbackgrounds[page][state=stop]
>
> \setupbackgrounds[page][background=]
>
> Hans

There was another little problem. I had created the background
before the \starttext statement. This made it global in nature. 
So when I got rid of it between \startfrontmatter and
\stopfrontmatter it was only abolished in that range of pages. 

Live and learn. I had thought that the tags for frontmatter etc were
just documentation but not so.

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[NTG-context] arranging + multipage \bTABLE + transparent color = bug?

[Johan Sandblom]

The following code compiles flawlessly but the pdf that is generated opens 
with the error "Could not find the Extended Graphics State named 'Tr1'."
in Acrobat Reader 7 for Linux (and Windows for that matter). Earlier readers
give less informative messages but in all cases the pdf has almost entirely 
empty pages. If the second line is uncommented (so there is no arranging) 
there is no problem. If the color is non-transparent, there is no problem.
If the table needs less than 4 sheets to be arranged on, there is no problem.

Is this known, expected, fixable?

Johan

\setuppapersize [A6][A4] \setuparranging [2*4, doublesided]
%\setuppapersize [A6][A6]
\setupcolors[state=start]
\definecolor[tgray][s=.8, t=.5, a=1]
\starttext
\bTABLE[split=repeat, frame=off, background=color, backgroundcolor=tgray]
\dorecurse{200}{\bTR\bTD 1\eTD\bTD 2\eTD\eTR}
\eTABLE
\stoptext

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[NTG-context] OpenType, Jenson, handling

[David Wooten]

Greetings all,
Adam,
Have you had any success in using hanging alignment handling with Adobe 
Jenson Pro? The last reference to this I've found was in your 2003 My 
Way on the subject.

Kind regards,
David
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Re: [NTG-context] OpenType, Jenson, handling

[Hans Hagen]

David Wooten wrote:
Greetings all,
Adam,
Have you had any success in using hanging alignment handling with Adobe 
Jenson Pro? The last reference to this I've found was in your 2003 My 
Way on the subject.
it's indepent of the font,
\usetypescript[serif][hanging][pure]
(see type-exa for other variants)
load your jensen pro definitions (i don't have that font, otherwise it would 
have be part of type-buy.tex) and

\setupalign[hanging]
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[NTG-context] TeX Showcase updated

[Gerben Wierda]

I have finally gotten around to adding a few entries to the TeX 
Showcase at

http://tug.org/texshowcase
(some were submitted 2 years ago and at that time put in a To Do 
mailbox because I was to busy studying, I am reasonably ashamed it took 
me so long to catch up)

The added entries (some are really impressive) are:
- cover.tex (tiling with pstricks)
- program_sample.tex (uses ConTeXt & XeTeX, very cutting edge ;-)
- scorecard.mp (very nice metapost project)
- cave.pdf (also very nice)
- poster.tex (for a linguistics conference)
- 0309Newsletter.tex (your basic newsletter, but not in Quark or 
whatever)
- learning_early.tex (screen document)
- LM-Volume-manuscript.tex (hyperref showcase)

Given the number of additions, I decided to make an announcement of it 
and spam it on the lists I am on

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Re: [NTG-context] arranging + multipage \bTABLE + transparent color = bug?

[Johan Sandblom]

Mine is 

TeXExec 5.2.5 - ConTeXt / PRAGMA ADE 1997-2005

   texexec : TeXExec 5.2.5 - ConTeXt / PRAGMA ADE 1997-2005
   texutil : TeXUtil 9.0.0 - ConTeXt / PRAGMA ADE 1992-2004
   tex : pdfeTeX, 3.141592-1.20a-2.2 (Web2C 7.5.3)
   context : ver: 2005.03.16
   cont-en : ver: 2005.03.16  fmt: 2005.4.22  mes: english

on linux

Did you compile the document with
texexec --arrange --pdf ?

The --arrange flag is necessary to get indices and tocs in arranged 
documents, which I have in the file the problem was exposed.

Johan


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From: "luigi.scarso" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Friday, April 22, 2005 5:42 pm
Subject: Re: [NTG-context] arranging + multipage \bTABLE + transparent color
= bug?

> Johan Sandblom wrote:
> 
> >The following code compiles flawlessly but the pdf that is 
> generated opens 
> >with the error "Could not find the Extended Graphics State named 
> 'Tr1'.">in Acrobat Reader 7 for Linux (and Windows for that 
> matter). Earlier readers
> >give less informative messages but in all cases the pdf has almost 
> entirely 
> >empty pages. If the second line is uncommented (so there is no 
> arranging) 
> >there is no problem. If the color is non-transparent, there is no 
> problem.>If the table needs less than 4 sheets to be arranged on, 
> there is no problem.
> >
> >Is this known, expected, fixable?
> >
> >Johan
> >
> >\setuppapersize [A6][A4] \setuparranging [2*4, doublesided]
> >%\setuppapersize [A6][A6]
> >\setupcolors[state=start]
> >\definecolor[tgray][s=.8, t=.5, a=1]
> >\starttext
> >\bTABLE[split=repeat, frame=off, background=color, 
> backgroundcolor=tgray]>\dorecurse{200}{\bTR\bTD 1\eTD\bTD 2\eTD\eTR}
> >\eTABLE
> >\stoptext
> >
> >  
> >
> I have made it with
> TeXExec 5.2.3 - ConTeXt / PRAGMA ADE 1997-2004
> 
> texexec : TeXExec 5.2.3 - ConTeXt / PRAGMA ADE 1997-2004
> texutil : TeXUtil 9.0.0 - ConTeXt / PRAGMA ADE 1992-2004
> tex : pdfeTeX, 3.141592-1.20a-2.2 (Web2C 7.5.3)
> context : ver: 2005.01.13
> cont-en : ver: 2005.01.13 fmt: 2005.3.7 mes: english
> cont-nl : ver: 2005.01.13 fmt: 2005.3.7 mes: dutch
> under linux
> and I see no problems with xpdf, acrobat5 and acrobat 7.
> 
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Re: [NTG-context] euro question

[Hans Hagen]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Simple and perhaps one hundred times answered but,
how can I make the euro symbol in ConTeXt ?
\euro
if the font does not have it, you can load a symbol set
\usesymbols[mvs]
(or \usesymbols[eur] if you have the free adobe ones)
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[NTG-context] Re: Another plant in the garden: modules

[Patrick Gundlach]

Hi,


> Am 06.04.2005 um 21:11 schrieb Patrick Gundlach:
>> Do you think that it would make sense to list/describe the ones in the
>> distribution as well?

> Yes, they go unnoticed otherwise.

OK, I have updated the modules section on garden.

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Re: [NTG-context] proposed convention for variation switching [wasRE:inheriting ...

[Idris Samawi Hamid]

On Fri, 22 Apr 2005 15:55:19 +0100, Adam Lindsay <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:

Idris Samawi Hamid said this at Fri, 22 Apr 2005 08:36:02 -0600:
In any case whatever high-level framework we come up with should largely
be determined by your decision on the low/mid-level framework.
See, I beg to differ.
I  agree with virtually everything u said, but _maybe_ u missed my 
point:-))

If Hans either implements
a) >2-char swutch support; or
b) \sizea(b)(c) etc,
it affects whether the high-level framework will need to use capital
2-char switches or have the option of using unrestricted lower-case 
switches
in whatever framework we agree on. Your point is on the framework being 
_mentioned_,
mine was on the language _used_ to mention the framework (perhaps I should 
have made
that clearer). The logic of the framework used should be largely 
independent,
but the language we use to mention it partly depends on the internal 
implementation.

I look forward to our final consensus!
Best
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Re: [NTG-context] TABLE: spacing, before/after

[Hans Hagen]

Eckhart Guthöhrlein wrote:
- control over column and row spacing
- material before/after a cell, e.g. \setupTABLE[row][first][before=bla]
- command hooks like \setupTABLE[1][3][hook=\dowithentry]

Hi Hans,
sorry for being a pain in the neck, but is there any chance that this
will be supported by natural tables in the near future?
Don't get me wrong, I'm not demanding anything, I just need to know so
that I can do it differently otherwise.
it depends on what near is ...
if you want a hook, try something:
\starttext
\def\TBLcharalign#1#2{hooked {\bf #2} on tables}
\bTABLE
\bTR \bTD aa\eTD \bTD bb\eTD \eTR
\bTR \bTD aa\eTD \bTD bb\eTD \eTR
\bTR \bTD aa\eTD \bTD bb\eTD \eTR
\bTR \bTD aa\eTD \bTD bb\eTD \eTR
\bTR \bTD aa\eTD \bTD bb\eTD \eTR
\eTABLE
\stoptext
if you remind me in a couple of weeks i can see if i can generalize it; hooks 
are a bit tricky because one also needs to know in what pass on is (there are 
multiple passes in constructing the table)

before ... after cell, is probably doable but need some thinking (keep in mind 
that these tables need to span and such; not really complex but needs to be done 
carefully

between rows ... tricky since that may interfere with splitting; maybe doable 
when some limitations are accepted

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[NTG-context] Re: total with of TABLE ?

[Steffen Wolfrum]

Hi Luigi,
luigi.scarso <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
 Steffen Wolfrum wrote:
 > For example:
 >
 > I'd like to set a "total width" that fits both tables
 > without specifying also the 2nd and 3rd column:
 >
 > \setupTABLE[totalwidth=10cm,offset=5pt]
 >
 > \setupTABLE[column][1][width=1cm,align=left]
 > \setupTABLE[column][5][width=1cm,align=middle]
 > 
 >
 Try
 \bTABLE[option=stretch]
 \bTR\bTD aa \eTD\bTD bb \eTD\bTD cc \eTD\bTD dd \eTD\eTR
 \bTR\bTD aa \eTD\bTD bb \eTD\bTD cc \eTD\bTD dd \eTD\eTR
 \bTR\bTD aa \eTD\bTD  \eTD\bTD cc \eTD\bTD dd \eTD\eTR
 \bTR\bTD aa \eTD\bTD bb \eTD\bTD cc \eTD\bTD dd \eTD\eTR
 \bTR\bTD aa \eTD\bTD bb \eTD\bTD cc \eTD\bTD dd \eTD\eTR
 \eTABLE
 \blank
 \bTABLE[option=stretch]
 \bTR\bTD aa \eTD\bTD bb \eTD\bTD cc \eTD\bTD dd \eTD\eTR
 \bTR\bTD aa \eTD\bTD bb \eTD\bTD cc \eTD\bTD dd \eTD\eTR
 \bTR\bTD aa \eTD\bTD bb \eTD\bTD cc \eTD\bTD dd \eTD\eTR
 \bTR\bTD aa \eTD\bTD bb \eTD\bTD  \eTD\bTD dd \eTD\eTR
 \bTR\bTD aa \eTD\bTD bb \eTD\bTD cc \eTD\bTD dd \eTD\eTR
 \eTABLE
 luigi

Try yourself:
\setupTABLE[offset=5pt]
\setupTABLE[column][1][width=1cm,align=left]
\setupTABLE[column][5][width=1cm,align=middle]
\bTABLE[option=stretch]
\bTR\bTD aa \eTD\bTD bb \eTD\bTD cc \eTD\bTD dd \eTD\eTR
\bTR\bTD aa \eTD\bTD bb \eTD\bTD cc \eTD\bTD dd \eTD\eTR
\bTR\bTD aa \eTD\bTD  \eTD\bTD cc \eTD\bTD dd \eTD\eTR
\bTR\bTD aa \eTD\bTD bb \eTD\bTD cc \eTD\bTD dd \eTD\eTR
\bTR\bTD aa \eTD\bTD bb \eTD\bTD cc \eTD\bTD dd \eTD\eTR
\eTABLE
\blank
\bTABLE[option=stretch]
\bTR\bTD aa \eTD\bTD bb \eTD\bTD cc \eTD\bTD dd \eTD\eTR
\bTR\bTD aa \eTD\bTD bb \eTD\bTD cc \eTD\bTD dd \eTD\eTR
\bTR\bTD aa \eTD\bTD bb \eTD\bTD cc \eTD\bTD dd \eTD\eTR
\bTR\bTD aa \eTD\bTD bb \eTD\bTD  \eTD\bTD dd \eTD\eTR
\bTR\bTD aa \eTD\bTD bb \eTD\bTD cc \eTD\bTD dd \eTD\eTR
\eTABLE
Not much left of those defined spaces, right?
Steffen
P.S.
And what has your proposal to do with the idea of setting a "total width"?
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Re: [NTG-context] Will the real palatino please stand up?

[Adam Lindsay]

John R. Culleton said this at Fri, 22 Apr 2005 10:49:09 +:

>In the typescript file type-syn.tex the palatino font is defined
>four times, twice for math and twice for serif.  The headers in
>each pair are identical, e.g.:
>
>\starttypescript [serif] [palatino] [name]
>
>
>Assume I want to use the second serif typescript, the one that uses
>the Palladio fonts. Using the \usetypescript statement, how do I
>specify that particular script? 

They all get loaded.
The second group (corresponding with the second [serif] [palatino]
[ec,texnansi,8r] typescript in type-enc) is a set of bonus extras, not
stand-alone, that help call in the FPLv1 fonts, which are:
Regular Caps & OsF,
Italic OsF,
Bold OsF, and
BoldItalic OsF.

The different glyph shapes mean they can't really be used on their own as
a family, but rather called out as variants, generally for Old Style
Figures. Actually, the "bonus definitions" down at the bottom of type-syn
are preparation for font variants. So after installing the FPL[1] fonts,
adding the following to your environment:

\definefontvariant [Serif] [os] [OsF]

...allows you to get oldstyle figures with markup like {\Var[os]123}.

However (and I can already hear the question forming on some people's
lips), if you want pervasive OsFs in your Palatino document, without
having to mark each numeric string, you're better off installing the FPL-
Neu fonts[2], using an old-stylish encoding like one listed in Idris's
recent MyWay or in the distro[3].

[1]
[2]
[3] fonts/enc/dvips/context/texnansi-os-lm.enc

Cheers,
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Re: [NTG-context] arranging + multipage \bTABLE + transparent color = bug?

[Vit Zyka]

luigi.scarso wrote:
Johan Sandblom wrote:
The following code compiles flawlessly but the pdf that is generated 
opens with the error "Could not find the Extended Graphics State named 
'Tr1'."
See the thread
http://archive.contextgarden.net/search/[EMAIL 
PROTECTED]:arranging,sb:pages,sb:with.html
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Re: [NTG-context] Will the real palatino please stand up?

[Adam Lindsay]

Adam Lindsay said this at Fri, 22 Apr 2005 16:40:04 +0100:

>...allows you to get oldstyle figures with markup like {\Var[os]123}.

And to learn more on the backdrop of fontvariants, see my original mail
to the list:

 ...and a page on the wiki:


I only bang on about it because it's a good backdrop to another current
discussion thread.
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Re: [NTG-context] arranging + multipage \bTABLE + transparent color = bug?

[luigi.scarso]

Johan Sandblom wrote:
The following code compiles flawlessly but the pdf that is generated opens 
with the error "Could not find the Extended Graphics State named 'Tr1'."
in Acrobat Reader 7 for Linux (and Windows for that matter). Earlier readers
give less informative messages but in all cases the pdf has almost entirely 
empty pages. If the second line is uncommented (so there is no arranging) 
there is no problem. If the color is non-transparent, there is no problem.
If the table needs less than 4 sheets to be arranged on, there is no problem.

Is this known, expected, fixable?
Johan
\setuppapersize [A6][A4] \setuparranging [2*4, doublesided]
%\setuppapersize [A6][A6]
\setupcolors[state=start]
\definecolor[tgray][s=.8, t=.5, a=1]
\starttext
\bTABLE[split=repeat, frame=off, background=color, backgroundcolor=tgray]
\dorecurse{200}{\bTR\bTD 1\eTD\bTD 2\eTD\eTR}
\eTABLE
\stoptext
 

I have made it with
TeXExec 5.2.3 - ConTeXt / PRAGMA ADE 1997-2004
texexec : TeXExec 5.2.3 - ConTeXt / PRAGMA ADE 1997-2004
texutil : TeXUtil 9.0.0 - ConTeXt / PRAGMA ADE 1992-2004
tex : pdfeTeX, 3.141592-1.20a-2.2 (Web2C 7.5.3)
context : ver: 2005.01.13
cont-en : ver: 2005.01.13 fmt: 2005.3.7 mes: english
cont-nl : ver: 2005.01.13 fmt: 2005.3.7 mes: dutch
under linux
and I see no problems with xpdf, acrobat5 and acrobat 7.
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Re: [NTG-context] arranging + multipage \bTABLE + transparent color = bug?

[Johan Sandblom]

Outstanding, thank you!

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- Original Message -
From: Vit Zyka <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Friday, April 22, 2005 8:25 pm
Subject: Re: [NTG-context] arranging + multipage \bTABLE + transparent color
= bug?

> luigi.scarso wrote:
> > Johan Sandblom wrote:
> > 
> >> The following code compiles flawlessly but the pdf that is 
> generated 
> >> opens with the error "Could not find the Extended Graphics State 
> named 
> >> 'Tr1'."
> 
> See the thread
> http://archive.contextgarden.net/search/[EMAIL 
> PROTECTED]:arranging,sb:pages,sb:with.html
> 
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Re: [NTG-context] Re: [dev-context] Re: new beta Re: Context index and sorting question

[Hans Hagen]

Vit Zyka wrote:
in a similar fashion, much texutil functionality is already present in 
ctxtools, which is a prelude to rewriting texutil i.e. a new sorting / 
index etc mechanism  (maybe xml based)

Great Hans you are thinking about (Czech:) sorting. How do you want to 
implement national deviations? For an example I attache brief Czech 
sorting rules overview (please see section 3).
indeed sorting is on the agenda, but i want to do it in ruby; once i've redone 
texutil (most is actually already redone) i will implement a sorting mechanims 
where language dependent methods can be hooked into; that way i can delegate 
part of the problem; for instance to you -)

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Re: [NTG-context] Re: total with of TABLE ?

[Hans Hagen]

setting the total width is not that complex, (maxwidth is already taken so i use 
textwidth)

\starttext
\unprotect
\def\dobTABLE[#1]%
  {\pushTBL
   \bgroup
   \ifhmode\kern\zeropoint\fi  % blocks \removeunwantedspaces: check this on 
icare handelingsschema
   \resetcharacteralign % new
   \getparameters
 [\@@tbl\@@tbl]
 [\c!align={\v!right,\v!broad,\v!high},#1]%
   \hsize\tbltbltextwidth
   \processaction
 [\tbltblsplit]
 [ \v!yes=>\enableTBLbreaktrue,
\v!repeat=>\enableTBLbreaktrue\multipleTBLheadstrue]%
   \processaction
 [\tbltblheader]
 [\v!repeat=>\multipleTBLheadstrue]%
   \localcolortrue
   \presetallTABLEparameters
   \ExpandFirstAfter\processallactionsinset
 [\tbltbloption]
 [\v!stretch=>\autoTBLspreadtrue]%
   \linewidth\tbltblrulethickness % needs to be frozen
   \dontcomplain
   \let\currentcol\!!zerocount
   \let\maximumrowspan\!!plusone
   \let\maximumcol\currentcol
   \let\maximumrow\currentcol
   \def\bTR{\dodoubleempty\parseTR}%
   \def\bTD{\dodoubleempty\parseTD}%
   \def\bTH{\dodoubleempty\parseTH}%
   \def\bTN{\dodoubleempty\parseTN}}

\setupTABLE[\c!textwidth=\hsize]
\protect
\bTABLE[option=stretch,textwidth=10cm]
\bTR\bTD aa \eTD\bTD bb \eTD\bTD cc \eTD\bTD dd \eTD\eTR
\bTR\bTD aa \eTD\bTD bb \eTD\bTD cc \eTD\bTD dd \eTD\eTR
\bTR\bTD aa \eTD\bTD  \eTD\bTD cc \eTD\bTD dd \eTD\eTR
\bTR\bTD aa \eTD\bTD bb \eTD\bTD cc \eTD\bTD dd \eTD\eTR
\bTR\bTD aa \eTD\bTD bb \eTD\bTD cc \eTD\bTD dd \eTD\eTR
\eTABLE
\blank
\bTABLE[option=stretch]
\bTR\bTD aa \eTD\bTD bb \eTD\bTD cc \eTD\bTD dd \eTD\eTR
\bTR\bTD aa \eTD\bTD bb \eTD\bTD cc \eTD\bTD dd \eTD\eTR
\bTR\bTD aa \eTD\bTD bb \eTD\bTD cc \eTD\bTD dd \eTD\eTR
\bTR\bTD aa \eTD\bTD bb \eTD\bTD  \eTD\bTD dd \eTD\eTR
\bTR\bTD aa \eTD\bTD bb \eTD\bTD cc \eTD\bTD dd \eTD\eTR
\eTABLE
\stoptext
Hans

> Steffen Wolfrum wrote:
Hi Luigi,
luigi.scarso <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
 Steffen Wolfrum wrote:
 > For example:
 >
 > I'd like to set a "total width" that fits both tables
 > without specifying also the 2nd and 3rd column:
 >
 > \setupTABLE[totalwidth=10cm,offset=5pt]
 >
 > \setupTABLE[column][1][width=1cm,align=left]
 > \setupTABLE[column][5][width=1cm,align=middle]
 > 
 >
 Try
 \bTABLE[option=stretch]
 \bTR\bTD aa \eTD\bTD bb \eTD\bTD cc \eTD\bTD dd \eTD\eTR
 \bTR\bTD aa \eTD\bTD bb \eTD\bTD cc \eTD\bTD dd \eTD\eTR
 \bTR\bTD aa \eTD\bTD  \eTD\bTD cc \eTD\bTD dd \eTD\eTR
 \bTR\bTD aa \eTD\bTD bb \eTD\bTD cc \eTD\bTD dd \eTD\eTR
 \bTR\bTD aa \eTD\bTD bb \eTD\bTD cc \eTD\bTD dd \eTD\eTR
 \eTABLE
 \blank
 \bTABLE[option=stretch]
 \bTR\bTD aa \eTD\bTD bb \eTD\bTD cc \eTD\bTD dd \eTD\eTR
 \bTR\bTD aa \eTD\bTD bb \eTD\bTD cc \eTD\bTD dd \eTD\eTR
 \bTR\bTD aa \eTD\bTD bb \eTD\bTD cc \eTD\bTD dd \eTD\eTR
 \bTR\bTD aa \eTD\bTD bb \eTD\bTD  \eTD\bTD dd \eTD\eTR
 \bTR\bTD aa \eTD\bTD bb \eTD\bTD cc \eTD\bTD dd \eTD\eTR
 \eTABLE
 luigi


Try yourself:
\setupTABLE[offset=5pt]
\setupTABLE[column][1][width=1cm,align=left]
\setupTABLE[column][5][width=1cm,align=middle]
\bTABLE[option=stretch]
\bTR\bTD aa \eTD\bTD bb \eTD\bTD cc \eTD\bTD dd \eTD\eTR
\bTR\bTD aa \eTD\bTD bb \eTD\bTD cc \eTD\bTD dd \eTD\eTR
\bTR\bTD aa \eTD\bTD  \eTD\bTD cc \eTD\bTD dd \eTD\eTR
\bTR\bTD aa \eTD\bTD bb \eTD\bTD cc \eTD\bTD dd \eTD\eTR
\bTR\bTD aa \eTD\bTD bb \eTD\bTD cc \eTD\bTD dd \eTD\eTR
\eTABLE
\blank
\bTABLE[option=stretch]
\bTR\bTD aa \eTD\bTD bb \eTD\bTD cc \eTD\bTD dd \eTD\eTR
\bTR\bTD aa \eTD\bTD bb \eTD\bTD cc \eTD\bTD dd \eTD\eTR
\bTR\bTD aa \eTD\bTD bb \eTD\bTD cc \eTD\bTD dd \eTD\eTR
\bTR\bTD aa \eTD\bTD bb \eTD\bTD  \eTD\bTD dd \eTD\eTR
\bTR\bTD aa \eTD\bTD bb \eTD\bTD cc \eTD\bTD dd \eTD\eTR
\eTABLE
Not much left of those defined spaces, right?
Steffen
P.S.
And what has your proposal to do with the idea of setting a "total width"?
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Re: [NTG-context] proposed convention for variation switching [wasRE:inheriting ...

[Idris Samawi Hamid]

Hi Hans,
On Fri, 22 Apr 2005 10:16:47 +0200, Hans Hagen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
i'm not that much in favour of capitalized named (clashes with user 
commands as well as some internals), so \scbf is more likely
Heh, heh, that was my original idea; with 2-char capitals I was trying to 
find a way to help you avoid the late nights, headaches, etc.-)

but if \tfa, etc. will soon be obsolete and replaced with \sizea etc., 
then we I'm quite happy to go back to \scbf etc.

In any case whatever high-level framework we come up with should largely 
be determined by your decision on the low/mid-level framework.

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[NTG-context] Re: total with of TABLE ?

[Steffen Wolfrum]

For example:
I'd like to set a "total width" that fits both tables
without specifying also the 2nd and 3rd column:
\setupTABLE[totalwidth=10cm,offset=5pt]
\setupTABLE[column][1][width=1cm,align=left]
\setupTABLE[column][5][width=1cm,align=middle]
\bTABLE
\bTR\bTD aa \eTD\bTD bb \eTD\bTD cc \eTD\bTD dd \eTD\eTR
\bTR\bTD aa \eTD\bTD bb \eTD\bTD cc \eTD\bTD dd \eTD\eTR
\bTR\bTD aa \eTD\bTD  \eTD\bTD cc \eTD\bTD dd \eTD\eTR
\bTR\bTD aa \eTD\bTD bb \eTD\bTD cc \eTD\bTD dd \eTD\eTR
\bTR\bTD aa \eTD\bTD bb \eTD\bTD cc \eTD\bTD dd \eTD\eTR
\eTABLE
\blank
\bTABLE
\bTR\bTD aa \eTD\bTD bb \eTD\bTD cc \eTD\bTD dd \eTD\eTR
\bTR\bTD aa \eTD\bTD bb \eTD\bTD cc \eTD\bTD dd \eTD\eTR
\bTR\bTD aa \eTD\bTD bb \eTD\bTD cc \eTD\bTD dd \eTD\eTR
\bTR\bTD aa \eTD\bTD bb \eTD\bTD  \eTD\bTD dd \eTD\eTR
\bTR\bTD aa \eTD\bTD bb \eTD\bTD cc \eTD\bTD dd \eTD\eTR
\eTABLE
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[NTG-context] Re: total with of TABLE ?

[Steffen Wolfrum]

luigi.scarso <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
 Hans Hagen wrote:
 > Hi,
 >
 > I'm fighting deadlines right now, but later i'll try to get a look at
 > the current table thread (maybe someone can summarize the problem)
 >
 > Hans
...
 So the problem seem to be
 "Can I set the total width of a TABLE using a macros like
 \setupTABLE[tablewidth=10cm] ?"
...
 luigi

Yes, this is what I was/am looking for:
Setting up the width of an entire table.
(Without having to specify the width of columns or cells.)
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[NTG-context] Re: PracTeX Journal Number 2 out

[Patrick Gundlach]

Hello,

> Patrick, can we mirror the context articles in the wiki?

Thanks to the authors for their permission to mirror the nice
articles. I have added a link to
 to the
wiki:Web_resources.

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Re: [NTG-context] proposed convention for variation switching [wasRE:inheriting ...

[Hans Hagen]

Adam Lindsay wrote:
Hi Idris,
I've brought the subject up repeatedly on the list, and got not a lot of
response. I have to think that 1) people are happy with the standard 7
font styles, 2) people have their own hand-rolled solution (like
yourself, myself or Vit--see his Storm fonts support for some nice
ideas), or 3) as Hans keeps bringing up, there are other ways around it.
(Layered definitions, etc., which I'm coming around to think is a better
discipline with markup.)
I'd say take a look at Vit's and my typescripts (I don't directly address
semibold, because semibold markup in running text doesn't usually work):


The antykwa-torunska typescripts in the main distro also point at ways of
accessing smallcaps and semibold via \Var[] variants from the main seven
styles:

It's not that I'm trying to rain on your parade, it's just that I've lost
a bit of enthusiasm for standardisation.
the problem is that we have to deal with old methods as well as new ones; there 
is also a speed issue involved. one of the handicaps is that we need to deal 
with math; on the other hand, in a mathless usage, a different font scheme is 
possible [we can even implement a new one]

Idris Samawi Hamid said this at Thu, 21 Apr 2005 12:36:55 -0600:

My suggestion: Either
a) the \*a(b)(c) etc mechanism needs modification to accomodate >2-char 
switches, or
b) an official 2-char switching convention for dealing with semibold and the 
standard five variants of small caps in ConTeXt is needed. Ideally users 
should not have to define switches for these standard variants anyway.

Here is an idea (further discussion needed):
a) Let's assume no change to the ConTeXt internals to accomodate >2-char 
switches.
the a/b/c/d are something from the past; since typefaces switch pretty quick, 
one can also switch the bodyfontsize (i can imagine something \sizea \sizeb ...)

thinking of it, it may be an option if i look into an alternative implementation 
with (for backwar dcompatibility)

\def\tfa{\sizea\tf}
like definitions with \sizea being a bodyfont switch to a larger size (one 
problem is that in that cas ethe baseline distance would also be influences, so 
it may not be good idea after all)

b) There are twelve basic style variants in a professional modern serif font 
(math, greek, etc excluded): six for lower case and six for small caps.

On this basis, here is my suggestion for an official ConTeXt convention for 
professional fonts:

%% lowercase
% medium \tf
% semibold \sb
% bold \bf
% italic \it
% semibold italic \st
% bold italic \bi
%% small caps
% medium \TF
% semibold \SB
% bold \BF
% italic \IT
% semibold italic \ST
% bold italic \BI
the main problem here is this math family business so some choices need to be 
made (math does not mix well with text anyway)

i'm not that much in favour of capitalized named (clashes with user commands as 
well as some internals), so \scbf is more likely

also, whatever system we cook up ... there are so many bold variants nowadays in 
some fonts ... in practice one will not mix semi bold and bold in a running 
text, so again, this can be done by typefaces as well:

\definetypeface[normalface] [...]
\definetypeface[bolderface] [...]
\definetypeface[cappedface] [...]
and in places where this special bolder face is used, just switch to \bolderface
The small caps versions are identical to the lowercase versions, with the 
difference that the small caps versions use caps. This serves as a mnemonic 
device.

We also need some long-winded control sequences:
\definestyle [semiboldroman,semibold] [\sb][]
\definestyle [semibolditalic] [\st][]
\definestyle [smallcapssemibold,semiboldsmallcaps][\SB][]
\definestyle [smallcapsbold,boldsmallcaps][\BF][]
\definestyle [smallcapsitalic,italicsmallcaps][\IT][]
\definestyle [smallcapssemibolditalic,semibolditalicsmallcaps][\ST][]
\definestyle [smallcapsbolditalic,bolditalicsmallcaps][\BI][]
An identical or similar analysis may work for sans-serif, but I have to 
check...
before i do something with this i need to think it over; (and look at the storm 
definitions and adamns stuff more closely; keep in mind that with xetex and open 
type being around we may need even more features)

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Re: [NTG-context] total with of TABLE ?

[luigi.scarso]

Duncan Hothersall wrote:
If you want your TABLE to find natural column widths to fit the content,
use [option=stretch] on the \bTABLE command. (NB it doesn't work as an
option to \setupTABLE, only on the actual \bTABLE.)
Then, assuming you don't need splitting over pages, you can set your
TABLE inside a vbox to define its width. (If you do need splitting, try
putting the TABLE into a textbackground - with no background color set
unless you want it - and set the width and/or margins of that?)
Hope that helps.
 

Many thanks !
(I start from \ifautoTBLspread inside core-ntb but after 30secs it comes 
your answer..)

luigi
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Re: [NTG-context] total with of TABLE ?

[Duncan Hothersall]

Luigi wrote:

> \SetTableToWidth{10cm} \starttable[|c|c|c|]...\stoptable set width to
> 10 cm, but if I  don't care about cell I can have an overfull box.
> 
> So the problem seem to be "Can I set the total width of a TABLE using
> a macros like \setupTABLE[tablewidth=10cm] ?"
> 
> To solve this problem, I usually set every cell width using 
> \setupTABLE[x][n][width=..];
> 
> 
> But with \setupTABLE[tablewidth=...] I will  avoid to specify every
> single cell width, and the TABLE will find the right dimensions.
> 
> I will look into core-ntb.tex.
> 
> luigi

If you want your TABLE to find natural column widths to fit the content,
use [option=stretch] on the \bTABLE command. (NB it doesn't work as an
option to \setupTABLE, only on the actual \bTABLE.)

Then, assuming you don't need splitting over pages, you can set your
TABLE inside a vbox to define its width. (If you do need splitting, try
putting the TABLE into a textbackground - with no background color set
unless you want it - and set the width and/or margins of that?)

Hope that helps.

Duncan
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Re: [NTG-context] total with of TABLE ?

[luigi.scarso]

Hans Hagen wrote:
Hi,
I'm fighting deadlines right now, but later i'll try to get a look at 
the current table thread (maybe someone can summarize the problem)

Hans
\SetTableToWidth{10cm}
\starttable[|c|c|c|]...\stoptable
set width to 10 cm, but if I  don't care about cell I can have an 
overfull box.

So the problem seem to be
"Can I set the total width of a TABLE using a macros like 
\setupTABLE[tablewidth=10cm] ?"

To solve this problem, I usually set every cell width using
\setupTABLE[x][n][width=..];
But with \setupTABLE[tablewidth=...]
I will  avoid to specify every single cell width,
and the TABLE will find the right dimensions.
I will look into core-ntb.tex.
luigi


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Re: [NTG-context] proposed convention for variation switching [wasRE:inheriting ...

[Taco Hoekwater]

Hi,
What about:
light \lf
medium \mf
if medium is \tf (as it is now),
semibold \sf
bold \bf

lightitalic \li
italic \it
then italic could be \ti, and all four would be consistent:
 (l|t|s|b)(t|i)
(but I may have missed some reason why this will not work)
Greetings, Taco
semibold italic \si
bold italic \bi

It is more intuitive, is't it?
I checked if they have not been occupied yet and at least in en 
interface it is OK.

vit
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Re: [NTG-context] proposed convention for variation switching [wasRE:inheriting ...

[Vit Zyka]

also, whatever system we cook up ... there are so many bold variants 
nowadays in some fonts ... in practice one will not mix semi bold and 
bold in a running text, so again, this can be done by typefaces as well:

\definetypeface[normalface] [...]
\definetypeface[bolderface] [...]
\definetypeface[cappedface] [...]
Support for Hans opinion: Storm's DynaGrotesk (Dynamo) comes with 30(!) 
bolder/lighter/condensed/extended variants.

vit
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Re: [NTG-context] proposed convention for variation switching [wasRE:inheriting ...

[Vit Zyka]

Idris Samawi Hamid wrote:
>
Let's keep \sc. After all, ConTeXt already contains many redundancies (and 
that's a good thing imho->)
Yes.
(I think that \Var[up] (for upright figures) is more intuituve that \Var[ns]), 
at least in English:-)))
I agree, both Adams's \Var[lf] and Idris's \Var[up] is better then my 
ns. I prefer 'lf', since a) it is related to figures, b) 'up' can be mix 
up with upshape/slanted.

% lowercase
light \lf 
medium \tf
semibold \sb
bold \bf
lightitalic \lt
italic \it
semibold italic \st
bold italic \bi
What about:
light \lf
medium \mf
semibold \sf
bold \bf
lightitalic \li
italic \it
semibold italic \si
bold italic \bi
It is more intuitive, is't it?
I checked if they have not been occupied yet and at least in en 
interface it is OK.

vit
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[NTG-context] table questions

[Hans Hagen]

Hi,
I'm fighting deadlines right now, but later i'll try to get a look at the 
current table thread (maybe someone can summarize the problem)

Hans
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Re: [NTG-context] new beta (again)

[Eckhart Guthöhrlein]

On Wed, 20 Apr 2005 at 10:44:08+0200, Hans Hagen wrote:
> Eckhart Guthöhrlein wrote:
> 
> >Does somebody know which patches still have to be applied to texexec to
> >get it working?
> 
> in texexec.ini/rme set the engine switch to false

As mentioned before, that didn't help.

> the problem is that engine support is handled (kin dof) by the tex engines 
> but it seems to be broken for mpost

Obviously, texexec insists to call a comman named "metafun". I have
created an executable file with that name in the path which just
contains one line:
mpost --progname mpost \&metafun $1 $2 $3 $4 $5 $6

Admittedly not nice, but it seems to work, since mp graphics are
generated, without any changes to texexec.rme/ini. However, I still get
a strange message

This is MetaPost, Version 0.641 (Web2C 7.4.3)
**
! End of file on the terminal... why?

during the texexec run. So something is not quite ok, but I really don't
know what.

-- 
Eckhart
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Re: [NTG-context] inheriting size characteristics

[Hans Hagen]

Adam Lindsay wrote:
I don't have time to really delve into the implementation details, but it
looks like the difference is that ConTeXt isn't so responsive with user-
defined alternatives with more than two characters. Compare the stripped
down version with your own. Your \scsb has been changed to \SB, effectively. 
indeed the two chars is a limitation (i may be able to get around it but it will 
probably involve some magic, late nights, headaches, etc)

Hans
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Re: [NTG-context] total with of TABLE ?

[luigi.scarso]

Peter Münster wrote:
Do you know, if this is possible with TABLE:
\starttext
\SetTableToWidth{10cm}
\starttable[|c|c|c|]
\HL
\VL xxx \VL xxx \VL x \VL\AR
\HL
\stoptable
\stoptext
Cheers, Peter
 

Hmm, I change a little your code to better understand it
\starttext
\SetTableToWidth{10cm}
\setbox100=\vbox{\starttable[|c|c|c|]
\HL
\VL xxx  xxx \VL xxx xxx \VL x x \VL\AR
\HL
\stoptable}
\starttyping
\SetTableToWidth{10cm}
\setbox100=\vbox{%
\starttable[|c|c|c|]
\HL
\VL xxx  xxx \VL xxx xxx \VL x x \VL\AR
\HL
\stoptable}
\stoptyping
\type{\wd100=}{\tt \PtToCm{\wd100}}\par
\type{\ruledvbox{\unvbox100}:}\par
\ruledvbox{\unvbox100}
\stoptext
and I see on log
Overfull \hbox (11.63779pt too wide) in paragraph at lines 14--14
[][]\*12pf* \VL[] []xxx[] [][] []xxx[] 
[]\VL[] []xx
x[] []xxx[] []\VL[] []x[] []x[] []\VL\AR

If I fix table width, I must care about cell content to avoid overfull hbox;
so fix table width is useless, because I have already calculate by 
fixing cell content.

I will look into natural table to see something similar to \SetTableToWidth

luigi
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