Re: [NTG-context] Greek module

2008-05-03 Thread Mojca Miklavec
On Fri, May 2, 2008 at 10:36 PM,  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

   Two explanations are possible (there was no attachment to your mail)

  Indeed no. I gave up when I received the e-mail saying my message was
  waiting for approval. I apologise.

Waiting for approval because of too big attachment?

   - your ConTeXt is too old. OpenSuSE has TeXLive 2007, I guess, so you
   should update ConTeXt.

  Right. My Context is from 2007. The point is that I am so clumsy about
  installing something on OpenSuse/Linux (I have a Windows machine using
  MikTex, suppose that doesn't help) that I do it always on line with a
  repo.

MikTeX does help. Quite some users report that the latest version of
ConTeXt is currently broken though (and yesterday updating MikTeX was
broken). I had no chance to check, but in theory it should work (you
need to use MikTeX 2.7). I guess that even the module itself is
included in MikTeX.

 Download and install rpm packages (or other files) rarely turns
  out to be good. But anyway I have tried to install according to the
  recipe I found on wiki
  (http://wiki.contextgarden.net/Linux_User_Installation). Didn't
  manage. If you have no other suggestion I can try again and post the
  result.

Those instructions are a bit out-of-date (the problem is that the zips
on PRAGMA are rather old). I will fix the instructions.

Can you try this?
mkdir context  cd context
rsync -ptv rsync://contextgarden.net/minimals/setup/first-setup.sh .
./first-setup.sh
and then put something like
. ~/context/setuptex ~/context
to .bash_profile or .bashrc or only execute that command once you need
it (it will shield your global tex installation, but you can remove it
at any time).

This will only install a local copy.

If you need to fix the global installation, one option is to update
only ConTeXt files, for example with
   rsync -av rsync://contextgarden.net/minimals/current/context/current/
location-of-your-distro/texmf-something
(test to a temporary location first)

But:
- you also need to update LM fonts
- I would also suggest to update the xetex and xdvipdfmx binary in
that case. XeTeX before winter works extremely slowly with latest
ConTeXt

  CONTEXT expects a plain ASCII input file. Of course you can use any
  texteditor or wordprocessor
  you want, but you should not forget that CONTEXT can only read ASCII
  input. Most
  texteditors or wordprocessors can export your file as plain ASCII.

That's not true. Maybe it was in the past, but you can use UTF-8
without a problem now.

Mojca
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[NTG-context] ConTeXt on MikTeX broken

2008-05-03 Thread Mojca Miklavec
Hello,

some time ago some MikTeX users have complained that ConTeXt doesn't
work on MikTeX. It seems to be a problem with MikTeX itself since this
workaround seems to solve the problem, at least temporary:
ruby C:\Program Files\MiKTeX
2.7\scripts\context\ruby\texmfstart.rb texexec

(But apparently there are not many MikTeX users on the list anyway.
Else more would have complained.)

Mojca
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Re: [NTG-context] Greek module

2008-05-03 Thread cidadaum

Citando Mojca Miklavec [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

 On Fri, May 2, 2008 at 10:36 PM,  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

   Two explanations are possible (there was no attachment to your mail)

  Indeed no. I gave up when I received the e-mail saying my message was
  waiting for approval. I apologise.

 Waiting for approval because of too big attachment?

Suppose no. It was a log file.


   - your ConTeXt is too old. OpenSuSE has TeXLive 2007, I guess, so you
   should update ConTeXt.

  Right. My Context is from 2007. The point is that I am so clumsy about
  installing something on OpenSuse/Linux (I have a Windows machine using
  MikTex, suppose that doesn't help) that I do it always on line with a
  repo.

 MikTeX does help. Quite some users report that the latest version of
 ConTeXt is currently broken though (and yesterday updating MikTeX was
 broken). I had no chance to check, but in theory it should work (you
 need to use MikTeX 2.7). I guess that even the module itself is
 included in MikTeX.

I have MikTex 2.7. I uninstalled and installed again because it  
couldn't build the format for ConTeXt. Now it builds but texexec  
--version does not produce any output. MikTex help list says one  
should have perl and ruby - which I have (I checked the environment  
variables and ruby is not there; this can be the cause but I don't  
know how to add it). Anyway I will stick to Linux first.


 Download and install rpm packages (or other files) rarely turns
  out to be good. But anyway I have tried to install according to the
  recipe I found on wiki
  (http://wiki.contextgarden.net/Linux_User_Installation). Didn't
  manage. If you have no other suggestion I can try again and post the
  result.

 Those instructions are a bit out-of-date (the problem is that the zips
 on PRAGMA are rather old). I will fix the instructions.

 Can you try this?
   mkdir context  cd context
   rsync -ptv rsync://contextgarden.net/minimals/setup/first-setup.sh .
   ./first-setup.sh
 and then put something like
   . ~/context/setuptex ~/context
 to .bash_profile or .bashrc or only execute that command once you need
 it (it will shield your global tex installation, but you can remove it
 at any time).

 This will only install a local copy.

 If you need to fix the global installation, one option is to update
 only ConTeXt files, for example with
rsync -av rsync://contextgarden.net/minimals/current/context/current/
 location-of-your-distro/texmf-something
 (test to a temporary location first)

 But:
 - you also need to update LM fonts
 - I would also suggest to update the xetex and xdvipdfmx binary in
 that case. XeTeX before winter works extremely slowly with latest
 ConTeXt


Thanks for your help. I will try one of those solutions.
A final remark. I didn't say this (bellow quoted), it is written in  
one of the manuals (mp-cb-en.pdf), page 4:

  CONTEXT expects a plain ASCII input file. Of course you can use any
  texteditor or wordprocessor
  you want, but you should not forget that CONTEXT can only read ASCII
  input. Most
  texteditors or wordprocessors can export your file as plain ASCII.

 That's not true. Maybe it was in the past, but you can use UTF-8
 without a problem now.

 Mojca


Armando

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Re: [NTG-context] Greek module

2008-05-03 Thread Mojca Miklavec
On Sat, May 3, 2008 at 1:06 PM,  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Right. My Context is from 2007. The point is that I am so clumsy about
installing something on OpenSuse/Linux (I have a Windows machine using
MikTex, suppose that doesn't help) that I do it always on line with a
repo.
  
   MikTeX does help. Quite some users report that the latest version of
   ConTeXt is currently broken though (and yesterday updating MikTeX was
   broken). I had no chance to check, but in theory it should work (you
   need to use MikTeX 2.7). I guess that even the module itself is
   included in MikTeX.

  I have MikTex 2.7. I uninstalled and installed again because it
  couldn't build the format for ConTeXt. Now it builds but texexec
  --version does not produce any output.

Read my other post about MikTeX  ConTeXt. Try to run (single line):
   ruby C:\Program Files\MiKTeX
2.7\scripts\context\ruby\texmfstart.rb texexec filename.tex

Mojca
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[NTG-context] Minimum file length.

2008-05-03 Thread John Culleton
I am writing an e-book where pdf file length is an issue. For the 
minimal Hello world file I get the following lengths:
tex+dvips+ps2pdf 2820
pdftex   5630
texexec   22,173

The only thing I added to the last test was the \starttext and 
\stoptext tags. The dvips etc. test defaulted to pdf 1.2,
the other two to pdf 1.4. I don't doubt that with more text the counts 
would be more similar. Still the fourfold increase between the second 
test and the third is a stunner. The e-book must be limited to 2 megs 
per the publisher. 

Just fyi
-- 
John Culleton
Resources for every author and publisher:
http://wexfordpress.com/tex/shortlist.pdf
http://wexfordpress.com/tex/packagers.pdf
http://www.creativemindspress.com/newbiefaq.htm
http://www.gropenassoc.com/TopLevelPages/reference%20desk.htm
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Re: [NTG-context] Minimum file length.

2008-05-03 Thread luigi scarso
On Sat, May 3, 2008 at 1:50 PM, John Culleton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I am writing an e-book where pdf file length is an issue. For the
 minimal Hello world file I get the following lengths:
 tex+dvips+ps2pdf 2820
 pdftex   5630
 texexec   22,173
what about fonts of each pdf ?
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it's new .
it's powerful .
it's luatex .
http://www.luatex.org
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Re: [NTG-context] Minimum file length.

2008-05-03 Thread Wolfgang Schuster
On Sat, 3 May 2008 07:50:05 -0400
John Culleton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I am writing an e-book where pdf file length is an issue. For the 
 minimal Hello world file I get the following lengths:
 tex+dvips+ps2pdf 2820
 pdftex   5630
 texexec   22,173
 
 The only thing I added to the last test was the \starttext and 
 \stoptext tags. The dvips etc. test defaulted to pdf 1.2,
 the other two to pdf 1.4. I don't doubt that with more text the counts 
 would be more similar. Still the fourfold increase between the second 
 test and the third is a stunner. The e-book must be limited to 2 megs 
 per the publisher. 

You could use XeTeX or LuaTeX instead of pdfTeX.

My example

\starttext
Hello World!
\stoptext

with the file size for each engine:

pdfTeX: 21.355
XeTeX:   3.155
LuaTeX:  3.328

Wolfgang
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Re: [NTG-context] defineitemgroup interferes with item reference

2008-05-03 Thread Sanjoy Mahajan
Hans Hagen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 itemgroups cannot be miced

Though there's no problem without those references in [brackets], so the
mixing works most of the time anyway.

 this catches it

Thanks!  With two small changes, your definition makes the mixing work
even when using references.  The two changes: (1) the macro needed a
closing brace, and (2) there's no \currentitemlevel in any context
source file so I guessed that \itemlevel was the intention.  So:

\def\dostartitemgroup[#1][#2][#3]%
   {\bgroup
\ifnum\itemlevel=\zerocount
  \def\currentitemgroup{#1}% no nested mixing of itemgroups
\fi
\ifthirdargument
  \dodostartitemgroup[#2][#3]%
\else
  \doifassignmentelse{#2}
{\dodostartitemgroup[][#2]}
{\dodostartitemgroup[#2][]}%
}

Is this macro worth putting into the official distribution or is it a
special hack to keep with my documents that need it?

-Sanjoy

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 glorify the hunters.'  --African Proverb
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Re: [NTG-context] Referencing Itemized Items?

2008-05-03 Thread Sanjoy Mahajan
Aditya Mahajan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I usually prefer
 
   Note that \in Step[fire] is optional for experienced chefs.
 
 This way, if you enable interaction, Step 3 will become a link, rather 
 than just 3.

An example showing a third alternative.  This alternative is useful 
if you use that kind of reference a lot:


\definereferenceformat[instep][text=Step]

\starttext
You must do the following steps:
\startitemize[n]
  \item Buy the ingredients
  \item Cook the food
  \item [abc] Put out the fire
\stopitemize

Note that Step \in[abc] is optional for experienced chefs.

Note that \in Step[abc] is optional for experienced chefs.

Note that \instep[abc] is optional for experienced chefs.
\stoptext
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Re: [NTG-context] Minimum file length.

2008-05-03 Thread Hans Hagen
Wolfgang Schuster wrote:
 On Sat, 3 May 2008 07:50:05 -0400
 John Culleton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 I am writing an e-book where pdf file length is an issue. For the 
 minimal Hello world file I get the following lengths:
 tex+dvips+ps2pdf 2820
 pdftex   5630
 texexec   22,173

 The only thing I added to the last test was the \starttext and 
 \stoptext tags. The dvips etc. test defaulted to pdf 1.2,
 the other two to pdf 1.4. I don't doubt that with more text the counts 
 would be more similar. Still the fourfold increase between the second 
 test and the third is a stunner. The e-book must be limited to 2 megs 
 per the publisher. 
 
 You could use XeTeX or LuaTeX instead of pdfTeX.
 
 My example
 
 \starttext
 Hello World!
 \stoptext
 
 with the file size for each engine:
 
 pdfTeX: 21.355
 XeTeX:   3.155
 LuaTeX:  3.328

lm type 1 in pftex is less efficient than opentype in xetex/luatex

there may also be some different initial overhead per engine


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Re: [NTG-context] defineitemgroup interferes with item reference

2008-05-03 Thread Aditya Mahajan
Hi Sanjoy,

On Sat, 3 May 2008, Sanjoy Mahajan wrote:

 closing brace, and (2) there's no \currentitemlevel in any context
 source file so I guessed that \itemlevel was the intention.  So:

Are you using an old version of ConTeXt?

http://source.contextgarden.net/?search=currentitemlevel

Aditya
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[NTG-context] strange effect of columns?

2008-05-03 Thread Yvon Henel
hello all

I'm using a layout which enables placement on a grid.

I have on a page first a figuretext
then a columns environment.
 
When I look at the pdf I see clearly (the grid is on) that there are still 13 
void lines between the end of the columns and the end of the text area 
but I can't put anything there and it works as if there were a \page[yes] 
(which is NOT there, definitely).

Just in case, here is the beginning of the log file
from the log
This is pdfTeXk, Version 3.141592-1.40.3 (Web2C 7.5.6) 
(format=cont-en  2007.5.8)  3 MAY 2008 19:30
entering extended mode
 %-line parsing enabled.
 (/TeX/2007/texmf/web2c/natural.tcx)
**atc06.tex emergencyend
(./atc06.tex
ConTeXt  ver: 2007.01.12 15:56 MKII  fmt: 2007.5.8  int: english/english
/from the log

Could anybody give some piece of advice?
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Re: [NTG-context] strange effect of columns?

2008-05-03 Thread Wolfgang Schuster
On Sat, 3 May 2008 20:23:25 +0200
Yvon Henel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 hello all
 
 I'm using a layout which enables placement on a grid.
 
 I have on a page first a figuretext
 then a columns environment.
  
 When I look at the pdf I see clearly (the grid is on) that there are still 13 
 void lines between the end of the columns and the end of the text area 
 but I can't put anything there and it works as if there were a \page[yes] 
 (which is NOT there, definitely).

 ConTeXt  ver: 2007.01.12 15:56 MKII  fmt: 2007.5.8  int: english/english

Very old, update to a newer version if possible.

 Could anybody give some piece of advice?

Make a example.

Wolfgang
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Re: [NTG-context] MetaPost 1.004 announcement

2008-05-03 Thread Thomas A. Schmitz

On May 1, 2008, at 11:24 AM, Taco Hoekwater wrote:

 The MetaPost team is happy to announce a new release of MetaPost:

 --
 MetaPost 1.004
 --

 The sources and a win32 package can be downloaded immediately from

   http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/metapost/

 This release will also be available from CTAN soon, and it will be
 included in the next TeXLive. The source package should compile  
 normally
 on all systems that are capable of compiling a modern web2c-based TeX
 distribution.

Hi Taco,

I have two questions/problems with the new release:

1. for my linux box, I just grabbed the linux tarball, but the  
binaries in there still declare they're version 1.003. Is that an  
oversight, or are those indeed old binaries (and you forgot to pack  
the new ones? :-)

2. On OS X 10.5 (intel), compilation aborts with this message:

creating Makefile
creating doc/Makefile
creating lib/Makefile
creating man/Makefile
creating mpware/Makefile
creating mpdir/Makefile
creating web2c/Makefile
creating window/Makefile
cat: ../../../src/texk/web2c/window/Makefile.in: No such file or  
directory
creating fmtutil.cnf
creating c-auto.h
gcc -DHAVE_CONFIG_H  -I. -I../../../../src/texk/web2c/web2c -I../.. - 
I../../../../src/texk/web2c/.. -I.. -I../../../../src/texk/web2c/ 
web2c/..  -g -O2  -c ../../../../src/texk/web2c/web2c/kps.c
In file included from ../../../../src/texk/web2c/../kpathsea/config.h: 
78,
  from ../../../../src/texk/web2c/web2c/../config.h:44,
  from ../../../../src/texk/web2c/web2c/web2c.h:3,
  from ../../../../src/texk/web2c/web2c/kps.c:26:
../../../../src/texk/web2c/../kpathsea/c-std.h:57: error: syntax error  
before '*' token
../../../../src/texk/web2c/../kpathsea/c-std.h:57: error: conflicting  
types for 'calloc'
../../../../src/texk/web2c/../kpathsea/c-std.h:57: error: conflicting  
types for 'malloc'
../../../../src/texk/web2c/../kpathsea/c-std.h:57: error: conflicting  
types for 'realloc'
/usr/include/stdlib.h:176: error: previous declaration of 'realloc'  
was here
../../../../src/texk/web2c/../kpathsea/c-std.h:57: warning: data  
definition has no type or storage class
../../../../src/texk/web2c/web2c/kps.c: In function 'uppercasify':
../../../../src/texk/web2c/web2c/kps.c:36: warning: initialization  
from incompatible pointer type
make: *** [kps.o] Error 1

Any pointers?

Thomas
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[NTG-context] problem with columns and TABLE

2008-05-03 Thread Peter Münster
Hello,

In the following example, the bottom of the table is outside the page. How
could this be solved?

\starttext
\input tufte
\startcolumns[2]
\bTABLE[split=yes]
\dorecurse{50}{\bTR\bTD bla\eTD\eTR}
\eTABLE
\stopcolumns
\stoptext

TIA for any help!
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Re: [NTG-context] Greek module

2008-05-03 Thread Thomas A. Schmitz

On May 2, 2008, at 10:36 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I see...
 I cringe so much of

Don't. We've all been beginners once and needed help. You just need to  
learn to follow a systematic approach and read replies to your  
questions more carefully...

 Oh boy. This is really not the place where your personal additions to
 your TeX installation should go.

 Please, where is the right place?

That was indicated in my reply to your first question; quoting myself:

I would
advise, however, to install additional packages either to the local
texmf tree or to you personal tree. These are defined in the file /etc/
texmf/web2c/texmf.cnf as
TEXMFLOCAL = /usr/local/share/texmf

and

TEXMFHOME = $HOME/TEXMF

The point is: when SuSE installs a new version of texlive, it will  
simply overwrite your files (even if you have edited them) or delete  
the old directories. Moreover, if you make a mistake here, you can  
simply erase the directory and start over. That's why it is considered  
good practice to keep ths distribution files and your local/personal  
additions separate.

 Right. My Context is from 2007. The point is that I am so clumsy about
 installing something on OpenSuse/Linux (I have a Windows machine using
 MikTex, suppose that doesn't help) that I do it always on line with a
 repo. Download and install rpm packages (or other files) rarely turns
 out to be good. But anyway I have tried to install according to the
 recipe I found on wiki
 (http://wiki.contextgarden.net/Linux_User_Installation). Didn't
 manage. If you have no other suggestion I can try again and post the
 result.

OK, there are several problems here:

1. SuSE's texlive installation has some problems, esp. when you try to  
use luatex;

2. the latest ConTeXt release will also need the latest latin modern  
fonts, which (I guess) are not available as a package for SuSE yet.

3. This being said, it is entirely possible to update ConTeXt within  
your SuSE texlive installation (I have been doing this for several  
years now).
- create directory /usr/local/share/texmf
- cd /usr/local/share/texmf
- sudo wget http://www.pragma-ade.com/context/current/cont-tmf.zip
- sudo unzip cont-tmf.zip
- sudo texhash
- sudo texexec --make --all --pdftex
- sudo texexec --make --all --xtx

 Which manual says
 that ConTeXt expects pure ASCII input?

 This one: mp-cb-en.pdf. Quoting from page 1:

 CONTEXT expects a plain ASCII input file. Of course you can use any
 texteditor or wordprocessor
 you want, but you should not forget that CONTEXT can only read ASCII
 input. Most
 texteditors or wordprocessors can export your file as plain ASCII.

OK, you're right. This is really obsolete (and has been so for several  
years). We've been collecting such things for a while now, but this is  
seriously misleading.

Hans, any chance of regenerating the m*-cb-en.pdfs and taking this  
paragraph out?

Thomas
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Re: [NTG-context] headers and pagenumbering

2008-05-03 Thread Henning Hraban Ramm
Am 2008-05-03 um 07:54 schrieb Wolfgang Schuster:
 (1) % or 0? ;-)
 I struggled how to leave out the pagina on the ToC page, no setups
 seemed to work.
 I just reckognized that I need the \page inside of the braced area.

 I will use a simple example ti explain where you need to insert a
 pagebreak to get the desired output.

Yes, I got it now, hoepfully, thank you!

!!
 \setupheader disables it only on the current page, it is a local  
 value.
!!

I didn't understand how \setupheader works - now it's clear that  
\setupheader[chapter] affects only the first page of the chapter and  
\setupheader[text] affects the rest.

But if I add header=high to my \setupheader[chapter], my last  
component=chapter in bodymatter (only one page) breaks with:

%%%
systems : end file c_14_kirchen at line 54
structure   : end of sectionblock bodymatter
! Missing \endcsname inserted.
to be read again
\currentsectionworldname
argument \??ko \currentsectionworldname
   \c!header
\getvalue #1-\csname #1
 \endcsname
\doifelselayoutsomeline ... #1\c!state \endcsname
   }\ifx \!!stringa  
\v!none \...

\calculatereducedvsizes ...youtsomeline \v!header
   {\advance  
\textheight -\di...

\gettextboxes ...complain \calculatereducedvsizes
   \swapmargins  
\offinterline...
...
l.56 \stopbodymatter
%%%

If I comment out this last component or move it in front of the  
second-last, everything is well. The file itself contains no errors  
(at least I couldn't find any).
Don't know how to get a failing minimal for such a problem...



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Re: [NTG-context] defineitemgroup interferes with item reference

2008-05-03 Thread Sanjoy Mahajan
Aditya Mahajan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Are you using an old version of ConTeXt?

Version 2008.01.28 from Norbert's latest packages for Debian unstable.
I can upgrade to 2008.04.27 by hand, but my TeX life has become so
sipmle since using Norbert's packages that I may let laziness triumph.

 http://source.contextgarden.net/?search=currentitemlevel

Thanks for the useful link.

In case it is useful for others: To search my local installation, I do:

  find /usr/share/texmf/tex/context -name '*.tex' \
| xargs grep -n '\\currentitemlevel'

-Sanjoy

`Until lions have their historians, tales of the hunt shall always
 glorify the hunters.'  --African Proverb
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Re: [NTG-context] MetaPost 1.004 announcement

2008-05-03 Thread luigi scarso
On Sat, May 3, 2008 at 8:56 PM, Thomas A. Schmitz
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 On May 1, 2008, at 11:24 AM, Taco Hoekwater wrote:

 The MetaPost team is happy to announce a new release of MetaPost:

 --
 MetaPost 1.004
 --

 The sources and a win32 package can be downloaded immediately from

   http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/metapost/

 This release will also be available from CTAN soon, and it will be
 included in the next TeXLive. The source package should compile
 normally
 on all systems that are capable of compiling a modern web2c-based TeX
 distribution.

 Hi Taco,

 I have two questions/problems with the new release:

 1. for my linux box, I just grabbed the linux tarball, but the
 binaries in there still declare they're version 1.003. Is that an
 oversight, or are those indeed old binaries (and you forgot to pack
 the new ones? :-)
I have build mpost from src (I always prefer to compile from source)

# mpost
This is MetaPost, Version 1.004 (Web2C 7.5.5)
**
! End of file on the terminal... why?


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Re: [NTG-context] MetaPost 1.004 announcement

2008-05-03 Thread Peter Münster
On Sat, May 03 2008, luigi scarso wrote:

  1. for my linux box, I just grabbed the linux tarball, but the
  binaries in there still declare they're version 1.003. Is that an
  oversight, or are those indeed old binaries (and you forgot to pack
  the new ones? :-)
 
 # mpost
 This is MetaPost, Version 1.004 (Web2C 7.5.5)

That means some redundancy in the code: the version number is maintained at
two places (mpost and mpost --version).

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