[NTG-context] (scientific) poster
Hi, I have googled, looked in the pragma site etc for a template (style) of an a0 poster. Doing this with latex is a bit of a nightmare and the result is not very appealing. I am looking for something in the size of a0 with embedded boxes with plots, equations etc. If such a file existed and was to be found somewhere I'd be grateful if you gave me a link. thanks ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] (scientific) poster
On Fri, Jun 13, 2008 at 1:03 PM, Pau [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi,
I have googled, looked in the pragma site etc for a template (style)
of an a0 poster. Doing this with latex is a bit of a nightmare and the
result is not very appealing.
I am looking for something in the size of a0 with embedded boxes with
plots, equations etc. If such a file existed and was to be found
somewhere I'd be grateful if you gave me a link.
thanks
You could use Layers, Overlays, backgrounds etc.
\setuppapersize[A0][A0]
\definelayer
[posterbox]
[width=\paperwidth,
height=\paperheight]
\setupbackgrounds[page][background=posterbox]
\setupbodyfont[50pt]
\starttext
\startstandardmakeup
\setlayerframed
[posterbox]
[x=10cm,y=7cm]
[width=40cm,align=right]
{\input knuth\par}
\setlayerframed
[posterbox]
[x=23cm,y=67cm]
[width=40cm,align=right]
{\input tufte\par}
\stopstandardmakeup
\stoptext
Greetings
Wolfgang
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Re: [NTG-context] Geeze, I might try Linux after all... (not too off-tpic I hope)
On Fri, Jun 13, 2008 at 12:42 PM, Alan Stone [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ( Oops, pushed inadvertedly some key on my keyboard and the message was away while in GMail - here's the sequel... ) Having heard Linux is, amongst other things, far more stable I might be tempted to play with it and progressively build some experience with it, master the beast and then switch some applications, amongst which ConTeXt, to it. As I presently don't know a thing about Linux, which distribution do you recommend ? I have played with fedora /red-hat, opensuse/suse, debian, ubuntu, slackware . All goods, actually I'm using ubuntu. Maybe fedora/opensuse with kde can be confortable for you . BTW, I don't use tex from these distro, I always put all files under /opt/luatex , compiling when necessary ; it's in a someway distro-independent. -- luigi ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] Geeze, I might try Linux after all... (not too off-tpic I hope)
Le vendredi 13 juin 2008 à 12:42 +0200, Alan Stone a écrit : ( Oops, pushed inadvertedly some key on my keyboard and the message was away while in GMail - here's the sequel... ) Having heard Linux is, amongst other things, far more stable I might be tempted to play with it and progressively build some experience with it, master the beast and then switch some applications, amongst which ConTeXt, to it. As I presently don't know a thing about Linux, which distribution do you recommend ? Hello :) Over the years, I've been using mainly FreeBSD. But recently I gave the Ubuntu distribution a chance. It's a really nice, and easier to manage, distribution based on Debian Linux. I warmly recommend it. mh Many thanks, Alan At Friday 13/06/2008 12:28, you wrote: Hi, Yesterday WXP crashed and it took me a whole day to repair the thing and get it up and running again. Ha ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___ ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] Geeze, I might try Linux after all... (not too off-tpic I hope)
On Fri, Jun 13, 2008 at 12:42 PM, Alan Stone [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ( Oops, pushed inadvertedly some key on my keyboard and the message was away while in GMail - here's the sequel... ) Having heard Linux is, amongst other things, far more stable I might be tempted to play with it and progressively build some experience with it, master the beast and then switch some applications, amongst which ConTeXt, to it. As I presently don't know a thing about Linux, which distribution do you recommend ? More than the distribution (all the major ones are less or more the same), you must choose your desktop environment : Gnome / KDE (or xfce for a small and speedy one). No troll, be it's usual to say : The gnome one is more « run it, it's simple, it works » but it's more difficult to do really fine tune (even if you can do them). KDE : run it, it works (too) but you can fine tweaks on each part (the menues are impressive). Remember that the liveCDs are your friends : just try them ! I'm using Ubuntu and gnome but all the other choices are good. Welcome in a « linux » world ! Olivier. -- [Message tapé sur un clavier Bépo : http://www.clavier-dvorak.org ] Olivier [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://nemolivier.blogspot.com ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
[NTG-context] Fwd: (scientific) poster
(originally bounced)-a-Begin forwarded message:From: Andrea Valle [EMAIL PROTECTED]>Date: 13 June 2008 14:59:19 GMT+02:00To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], mailing list for ConTeXt users ntg-context@ntg.nl>Subject: Re: [NTG-context] (scientific) poster Hi Pau, I have made a couple of posters with ConTeXt.Here they are:http://wiki.contextgarden.net/User:AndreaCode attached: posterVEP.tex Description: Binary data posterAlgoNotazione.tex Description: Binary data I have to say that for poster stuff where you have to control visually the layout a GUI is not that bad.So now I'm using ConTeXt for text-based projects (documents, books) and Nodebox for visual related things (posters, presentations).Best-a- ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] Geeze, I might try Linux after all... (not too off-tpic I hope)
2008/6/13 Michael Hallgren [EMAIL PROTECTED]: As I presently don't know a thing about Linux, which distribution do you recommend ? Hello :) Over the years, I've been using mainly FreeBSD. But recently I gave the Ubuntu distribution a chance. It's a really nice, and easier to manage, distribution based on Debian Linux. I warmly recommend it. Ubuntu or Mandriva.are good choices for ex-windows users, You can try also OpenSolaris which seems very, very promising. -- Diego Depaoli ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] Geeze, I might try Linux after all... (not too off-tpic I hope)
I had a poor experience with commercial design software on Windows (by Serif, a company based out of the UK.) That pushed me to Linux. I started with Debian woody and right away I had to fetch and compile kernel modules from an Intel code base. I actually got Debian working well under the 2.4 kernel and KDE (cause Gnome 2 was only just starting). Then I went with Fedora, Mandrake, and SuSE. Each had strong and weak points, except Mandrake (now Mandriva) that only had weak points. I then toured through the BSD's and found that I like the X implementation there the best, but the desktop experience was not the best. I even tried Plan 9 and Solaris, which is slow. And I use a Mac for work. I now run FreeBSD on a server and Ubuntu on desktop. If you know Windows, then Mac, PC-BSD, and Ubuntu/Kubuntu are the likely candidates. Increasingly I grow irritated with Gnome, but KDE is also quite bloated. The Push Button Installer technology of PC-BSD, similar to Mac and Windows, will feel very normal. TeX and friends work out of the box as TeX Live 2007 on Ubuntu and Kubuntu. There is no port for FreeBSD apart from TeTeX AFAIK but there are binaries that one can install under /usr/local. The BSD's have better docs than Linux. Period. And their kernel and userland come together in a full-features OS while Linux is a kernel and GNU, etc., userland. Kile for KDE and auctex with emacs are probably what you will be interested in. TeXmaker forked from Kile and it can be slow. TeXmacs and LyX are not strictly TeX/LaTeX, but close. I'm torn between a TeX packaged distro and independent construction either via TeX Live itself or DIY'ing it from CTAN. OTOH it's nice not to have to build your own texmf tree; but it can be done and I've done it by following the specs. Then again, if you are not LaTeXing things, you might not need it. It gives one, however, a certain air of self-gratification to master mktexlsr and have kpsewhich find stuff. Also anything Linux-based is likely to have someone's ideology about freedom of some sort butting into otherwise perfectly good software packages and delimiting the non-free stuff, resulting in, for example, the hyperlinked ConTeXt manuals not finding their links. With the BSD's you don't have this politicking down on the commune. But TeTeX is a bit outdated for my tastes. Charles On Fri, 2008-06-13 at 12:42 +0200, Alan Stone wrote: ( Oops, pushed inadvertedly some key on my keyboard and the message was away while in GMail - here's the sequel... ) Having heard Linux is, amongst other things, far more stable I might be tempted to play with it and progressively build some experience with it, master the beast and then switch some applications, amongst which ConTeXt, to it. As I presently don't know a thing about Linux, which distribution do you recommend ? Many thanks, Alan At Friday 13/06/2008 12:28, you wrote: Hi, Yesterday WXP crashed and it took me a whole day to repair the thing and get it up and running again. Ha ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___ ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] Fwd: (scientific) poster
I have to say that for poster stuff where you have to control visually the layout a GUI is not that bad. So now I'm using ConTeXt for text-based projects (documents, books) and Nodebox for visual related things (posters, presentations). I am extremely happy using ConTeXt and TikZ/pgf both for A0 posters as well as for video presentations. -- Alan Braslau ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] Geeze, I might try Linux after all... (not too off-tpic I hope)
Charles P. Schaum [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: [...] I'm torn between a TeX packaged distro and independent construction either via TeX Live itself or DIY'ing it from CTAN. OTOH it's nice not to have to build your own texmf tree; but it can be done and I've done it by following the specs. Then again, if you are not LaTeXing things, you might not need it. It gives one, however, a certain air of self-gratification to master mktexlsr and have kpsewhich find stuff. I use Debian. Context seems to be well supported, with recent packages (thanks to Norbert Preining I believe). Ubuntu should be fine too (it is a debian derivative) and perhaps more polished for a new user. [...] -- John Devereux ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] Fwd: (scientific) poster
Concerning posters (at least that graphic category of posters): If you have to move a graphic element by hand in search of fine tuning (which is optical in design, helas, not computational) the only way in batch-processing based sw is to re-compile, many and many times. Such a process can be quite slow if you have a large format with high res images. So you pass a considerable part of your time looking and the console. This result in unfavouring fine optical tuning. So, the problem for me is not the result but the process. -a- On 13 Jun 2008, at 15:40, Alan BRASLAU wrote: I have to say that for poster stuff where you have to control visually the layout a GUI is not that bad. So now I'm using ConTeXt for text-based projects (documents, books) and Nodebox for visual related things (posters, presentations). I am extremely happy using ConTeXt and TikZ/pgf both for A0 posters as well as for video presentations. -- Alan Braslau __ _ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net __ _ -- Andrea Valle -- CIRMA - DAMS Università degli Studi di Torino -- http://www.cirma.unito.it/andrea/ -- http://www.myspace.com/andreavalle -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Think of it as seasoning . noise [salt] is boring . F(blah) [food without salt] can be boring . F(noise, blah) can be really tasty (Ken Perlin on noise) ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] How could a typesetting system be today? (slightly off-topic, flame and nostalgic)
Aditya Mahajan a écrit : On Thu, 12 Jun 2008, Hans Hagen wrote: Maurício wrote: used ‘ϕ’ in a math formula for one of his papers and Context it showing up depends on what you use (mkii or mkiv), if the character is defined, if the font has it (in text mode) etc etc For mkii you simply need to add \enableregime[utf8] in the beginning. It should work out of the box in mkiv (assuming you are using the default latin modern fonts). Aditya I always use \enableregime[utf]. I use mkii (actually, I use what Ubuntu provides). Is there any font setting I can make so that I can use Unicode everywhere? Maurício ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] distro info
Am 2008-06-12 um 11:00 schrieb Andrea Valle: The fact IMHO is that there's a potentially large base of ConTeXt users which are willing to learn the syntax but are scared about terminals, setting paths etc (well, me too: knowing substantially nothing of unix I'm never comfortable with unix aspects of my system) So, an installer is really welcome. If if you got it installed, you next will need a GUI for running ConTeXt, and if some problem arises, you are further away from the solution than ever. :-( Sorry, you can't use TeX in a decent way if you can't use a shell (AKA command line AKA Terminal AKA DOS box). Otherwise we get a system where everything is configured under the hood by some administrator - and you are in really bad luck if you happen to be your own newborn administrator and read everywhere if you don't know what to fill in here, go ask your administrator. Please everyone try to become computer literate! (see also works by Friedrich Kittler) Greetlings from Lake Constance! Hraban --- http://www.fiee.net/texnique/ http://wiki.contextgarden.net https://www.cacert.org (I'm an assurer) ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] distro info
If if you got it installed, you next will need a GUI for running ConTeXt, and if some problem arises, you are further away from the solution than ever. :-( Sorry, you can't use TeX in a decent way if you can't use a shell (AKA command line AKA Terminal AKA DOS box). That's not true. Installing mactex doesn't require you to use terminal. It comes with TeXShop. Works out of the box. That was my first ConTeXt experience. Positive. Then I went into some memory problems with MetaPost, then I had to modify some sources (thanks to Mojca) to work with XeTeX. Really a boring experience. Please don't tell me that the tree structure of the TeX distro is easy to understand and traverse. Please everyone try to become computer literate! (see also works by Friedrich Kittler) I agree with you. But it depends on what computer literate means. For me computer science is the science of algorithms (see the definition of Schneider and Gersting). So, I'm interested in a higher level perspective. Otherwise, I could start from assembler. Note also that I'm always teaching computer programming to students in humanities. I'm asking them big steps into computer literacy. But I cannot exaggerate. I'm teaching them SuperCollider and Nodebox. I'd like to teach ConTeXt focusing in computational typography, not into unix file system (even if it can be very relevant). Note also that from the previous posts I still have not exactly understood what I have to do to install Luatex (the famous minimals), and it seems that many people are confused like me on using system fonts. I'm scared of tweaking my actual XeConTeXt distro because to install it has been a pain. Of course, everyone on the mailing list here is very friendly and helpful, but I'd like not to bore you all with install troubles. Best -a- -- Andrea Valle -- CIRMA - DAMS Università degli Studi di Torino -- http://www.cirma.unito.it/andrea/ -- http://www.myspace.com/andreavalle -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- I did this interview where I just mentioned that I read Foucault. Who doesn't in university, right? I was in this strip club giving this guy a lap dance and all he wanted to do was to discuss Foucault with me. Well, I can stand naked and do my little dance, or I can discuss Foucault, but not at the same time; too much information. (Annabel Chong) -- Andrea Valle -- CIRMA - DAMS Università degli Studi di Torino -- http://www.cirma.unito.it/andrea/ -- http://www.myspace.com/andreavalle -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Think of it as seasoning . noise [salt] is boring . F(blah) [food without salt] can be boring . F(noise, blah) can be really tasty (Ken Perlin on noise) ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] How could a typesetting system be today?
Am 2008-06-12 um 20:26 schrieb Maurí cio: The reason for a standard tag language is that the main engine should be able to do some operations on data, like breaking it in pieces like words, paragraphs or staffs on music scores, sometimes without fully understanding what exactly those are. Possible outcomes: with a proper script language (Lua?), things like tables, multi-column text, and even a lot of crazy ideas could be really easy to write. Plug-ins results would be predictable, since they know nothing about the world except what the main engine has informed them. As far as I can judge, music typesetting has completely different rules than text typesetting. Ok, you would just use another plugin. But then the plugins need a way to interact: captions in graphics (like in MetaPost today), lyrics in music etc. I myself wouldn't probably able to handle a MetaPost based system (or something similar) - even if I speak a bit of PostScript, I just don't think of graphics as formulae: To create e.g. an eye-shape, I can place two circles in Illustrator (or any other GUI program) and make an intersection. But I couldn't do the same programmatically, even if I approximately know what to do in this case. (You could answer to my mail on command lines, I should please try to become mathematically literate.) However, you need different parsers for different types of content - and at least the LilyPond folks would strongly suggest that some Lisp dialect is the right language for anything that needs parsing. I guess you know the quote that everyone who writes a parser will end re- creating a buggy subset of Lisp. (I don't speak Lisp. I don't speak TeX-the-language or Lua as well. But the latter seems easy.) I guess that's a inconvenience with TeX/MetaPost/LilyPond: they use similar, but different tagging, and those don't mix very well, esp. LilyPond with its Scheme snippets (I don't appreciate the use of single ' for strings and # for constants...). (Similar to HTML/PHP/ Smarty/JavaScript.) Of course you could use the same kind of tagging for all the different types of content - I guess you will end with something like OpenDocument (OOo.XML), that uses SVG for the graphics. Oh, and don't forget MathML (and the other XML dialects like PhysML and ChemML). Hm, perhaps we should embed MusicXML instead of LilyPond... You see: There is your unified system. XML rulez - for better or for worse. It's really no fun to write XML by hand. Perhaps you should try to help enhancing OpenOffice's typesetting? # Or Scribus? I heard Scribus has TeX boxes of late: A GUI DTP application where some boxes get rendered by LaTeX (meant for formulae, of course). AFAIK Scribus' file format is also XML-based. And maybe they even support plugins for more different boxes... Greetlings from Lake Constance! Hraban --- http://www.fiee.net/texnique/ http://wiki.contextgarden.net https://www.cacert.org (I'm an assurer) ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] distro info
On Jun 13, 2008, at 6:40 PM, Henning Hraban Ramm wrote: Am 2008-06-12 um 11:00 schrieb Andrea Valle: The fact IMHO is that there's a potentially large base of ConTeXt users which are willing to learn the syntax but are scared about terminals, setting paths etc (well, me too: knowing substantially nothing of unix I'm never comfortable with unix aspects of my system) So, an installer is really welcome. If if you got it installed, you next will need a GUI for running ConTeXt, and if some problem arises, you are further away from the solution than ever. :-( Sorry, you can't use TeX in a decent way if you can't use a shell (AKA command line AKA Terminal AKA DOS box). Otherwise we get a system where everything is configured under the hood by some administrator - and you are in really bad luck if you happen to be your own newborn administrator and read everywhere if you don't know what to fill in here, go ask your administrator. Please everyone try to become computer literate! (see also works by Friedrich Kittler) You took the words out of my mouth; I was going to write in a similar vein. Creating a GUI installer will only give false hopes to the potentially large base of users. They may be able to install, but will soon run into trouble which can't be solved without a little knowledge of the command line, about paths and configuration files. If you're a billionaire, you could pay a couple dozen programmers to write a GUI for all these settings. But as long as no Mark Shuttleworth pops up, I think it would be better to avoid any misunderstandings. If you're allergic to the command line, TeX is not for you. Just my 2 cents... Thomas ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] distro info
On Fri, Jun 13, 2008 at 7:08 PM, Andrea Valle wrote: Note also that from the previous posts I still have not exactly understood what I have to do to install Luatex (the famous minimals), cd /path/to/some/folder rsync -ptv rsync://contextgarden.net/minimals/setup/first-setup.sh . ./first-setup.sh And then you need to put (note the dot!) . /path/to/some/folder/tex/setuptex /path/to/some/folder/tex to .bash_profile and start a new shell. That's all. This will shield your MacTeX installation, so if you want to use your MacTeX again, you need to commen out that line and start a new shell. I had some problems with editors in past, but Oliver did a great job with pushing Hans and Taco to modify some stuff. You would still need something to adjust your editor to work properly. Alternatively, you may use cd /path/to/some/folder . setuptex every time when you want to use the minimals in a new shell. and it seems that many people are confused like me on using system fonts. System fonts on Mac should work by default since a few days ago. Mojca ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] distro info
Am 2008-06-13 um 19:08 schrieb Andrea Valle: Sorry, you can't use TeX in a decent way if you can't use a shell (AKA command line AKA Terminal AKA DOS box). That's not true. Installing mactex doesn't require you to use terminal. It comes with TeXShop. Works out of the box. That was my first =20 ConTeXt experience. Positive. Then I went into some memory problems with MetaPost, then I had to =20 modify some sources (thanks to Mojca) to work with XeTeX. Really a boring experience. Please don't tell me that the tree =20 structure of the TeX distro is easy to understand and traverse. You're right, the TeX tree is more of a shrubbery. And I don't say Ni ;-) For directory trees I really like the Finder in columns mode - and it's great that you can just drag a file or folder to the Terminal to get its path inserted. I stopped using TeXshop and iTeXMac (not a positive experience some years ago), because I often need to call ConTeXt (i.e. texexec) with different arguments, and that's overly complicated with GUI tools. And I found the (La)TeX integration more annoying than helpful for ConTeXt. iTeXMac's project files (app-like directories) are annoying as well. I do most of my development in Eclipse or TextWrangler, but always with a Terminal or three. I use a simple shell script for every project, that runs the main file with appropriate arguments, opens the resulting PDF (with LilyPond also the MIDI) and cleans the temp files afterwards. Even with GUI layout projects I normally have a Terminal open - e.g. for quick (batch) renaming (renaming is one of the few really annoying mis-features of MacOS X - YES I REALLY WANT TO CHANGE THE EXTENSION AND I KNOW WHAT I DO, DAMNED!). You see, I'm not a shell dogmatist - I normally use vi only on remote servers, and I don't run EmacsOS - but I work much more efficiently if I can use a decent shell. (sh on AIX or CMD.EXE on Win2k is not a decent shell...) Please everyone try to become computer literate! (see also works by Friedrich Kittler) I agree with you. But it depends on what computer literate means. ... I'm teaching them SuperCollider and Nodebox. Ok, I don't get those ;-) I'd like to teach =20 ConTeXt focusing in computational typography, not into unix file =20 system (even if it can be very relevant). Note also that from the previous posts I still have not exactly =20 understood what I have to do to install Luatex (the famous minimals), =20= and it seems that many people are confused like me on using system =20 fonts. I'm scared of tweaking my actual XeConTeXt distro because to install =20 it has been a pain. I know the pain. It was always a hassle to get ConTeXt working with teTeX, even with gwTeX or MacTeX. (I never got it working with CMacTeX, but that was a previous chapter.) The minimals solved it for me. As soon as I had understood how to use first-setup and setuptex. Now I start setuptex in my .profile, so that every new Terminal is pre- configured. (You can also use .bashrc or .bash_profile) And I run first-setup for updates regularly as a cron job, together with some other update scripts. I still feel a bit uncomfortable with systems fonts, too: I activate fonts with FontExplorer as I need them, so ConTeXt normally can't find my fonts. We should try to write a XeTeX/LuaTeX-plugin for FontExplorer... Before I had installed a lot of fonts in my personal texmf tree (where they don't eat my RAM), many of them I've only as PFB and can't use them as system fonts on OSX. Besides that, a lot of system fonts aren't available for ConTeXt (fontconfig problems, I guess). If I would use ConTeXt more often, I would have figured that out, I guess... --Apple-Mail-101-993969544 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Oops, since when decided my Apple Mail to send MIME/HTML mails?? It mustn't do that... Bad program, BAAAD program! Greetlings from Lake Constance! Hraban --- http://www.fiee.net/texnique/ http://wiki.contextgarden.net https://www.cacert.org (I'm an assurer) ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] distro info
On Jun 13, 2008, at 2:20 PM, Henning Hraban Ramm wrote: Even with GUI layout projects I normally have a Terminal open - e.g. for quick (batch) renaming (renaming is one of the few really annoying mis-features of MacOS X - YES I REALLY WANT TO CHANGE THE EXTENSION AND I KNOW WHAT I DO, DAMNED!). Change your finder preferences for this one. That's about as hard as setting a path variable. Matthias ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] How could a typesetting system be today?
The reason for a standard tag language is that the main engine should be able to do some operations on data, like breaking it in pieces like words, paragraphs or staffs on music scores, sometimes without fully understanding what exactly those are. Possible outcomes: with a proper script language (Lua?), things like tables, multi-column text, and even a lot of crazy ideas could be really easy to write. Plug-ins results would be predictable, since they know nothing about the world except what the main engine has informed them. As far as I can judge, music typesetting has completely different rules than text typesetting. Sure. Ok, you would just use another plugin. But then the plugins need a way to interact: captions in graphics (like in MetaPost today), lyrics in music etc. That's the idea. I do believe it's possible. I myself wouldn't probably able to handle a MetaPost based system (or something similar) - even if I speak a bit of PostScript, I just don't think of graphics as formulae: Myself, I never touch my computer mouse :) I did read an answer from Donald Knuth on why he thinks Metafont never became a popular tool for font creation. His answer: you can't ask an artist to become enough of a mathematician in order to be able to design his font based on 60 variables. However, you need different parsers for different types of content A system like what I want should have a common language for all. I'm not smart enough to say which one. (I don't speak Lisp. I don't speak TeX-the-language or Lua as well. But the latter seems easy.) Yes, it is easy and powerfull. And it was created here in Brazil! (Proud smile) There is your unified system. XML rulez - for better or for worse. It's really no fun to write XML by hand. But, as you said, TeX and Lilypond have a similar syntax. I belive they could share some kind of common language. Perhaps you should try to help enhancing OpenOffice's typesetting? # Or Scribus? I really would like something we could program, and then change design variables at will. Thanks for your comments. I have no knowledge to go beyond what I went in my first message. Best, Maurício ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] distro info
Am 2008-06-13 um 20:26 schrieb Matthias Weber: Even with GUI layout projects I normally have a Terminal open - e.g. for quick (batch) renaming (renaming is one of the few really annoying mis-features of MacOS X - YES I REALLY WANT TO CHANGE THE EXTENSION AND I KNOW WHAT I DO, DAMNED!). Change your finder preferences for this one. That's about as hard as setting a path variable. I changed it already on my new home mac (running Leopard); but there's no preference on previous versions (i.e. at work and on my ibook). Greetlings from Lake Constance! Hraban --- http://www.fiee.net/texnique/ http://wiki.contextgarden.net https://www.cacert.org (I'm an assurer) ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] (scientific) poster
Hi, Possibly the attached file might helpo you getting going. I prepared this for a short presentation at the CnTeXt meeting in Epen last year. kind regards Willi Postertutorial.tex Description: Binary data On Jun 13, 2008, at 1:03 PM, Pau wrote: Hi, I have googled, looked in the pragma site etc for a template (style) of an a0 poster. Doing this with latex is a bit of a nightmare and the result is not very appealing. I am looking for something in the size of a0 with embedded boxes with plots, equations etc. If such a file existed and was to be found somewhere I'd be grateful if you gave me a link. thanks __ _ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net __ _ ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] How could a typesetting system be today?
There is your unified system. XML rulez - for better or for worse. It's really no fun to write XML by hand. But, as you said, TeX and Lilypond have a similar syntax. I belive they could share some kind of common language. What you are thinking about is probably a master document scheme that would locally contextualize and process content. You would likely need some kind of magic number system for this to work. That would probably rule out older hardware because loading and unloading entire backends (or trying to run them all) is expensive on processing and memory. Also you have the potential for fork hell or dependency hell. IIRC there are MusicTeX, MusixTeX, Lillypond, etc. and some takes this and others that. There's an Omega package for typesetting pages from the Biblia Hebraica Stuttgartensia, Makor, and then there are fonts that do most of that themselves. You have EDMAC and Ledmac, but ConTeXt could probably handle the lemmatization even more intuitively. (I ought to try that.) So, which way is right, since coexistence may be a problem. One wants plain, the other LaTeX. And you can't necessarily intermix the two. I'm no XML guru, but that's the likely solution. Since everything has a history, then you have to build a community where picking and choosing this over that can be a problem; see, for example, http://blogs.sun.com/jimgris/entry/building_opensolaris_communities Then we get to GUI or not. It's probably the case that XML would be the likely candidate. In that case, Scribus or OOo would be a good place to look. But then you have all the complex dev issues with OOo. It can take a day to compile on anything that is more than two or three years old. In the end, a typesetting metalanguage would require a community to use it, deep wallets to fund it, or both. And you would have to ask people, some of whom still miss their old Lisp machines, Multics, and so on, to make a switch when they know that publishers already have their niche development tools in place. And DEK himself wanted to encourage not simply the finding of or agreement on the right answer to the question (why some hate the TeXbook) but the heuristics for finding right questions and their answers (why some love the TeXbook). But whose right wins in the design of the metalanguage? Because that would collide with good old Appendix D, Dirty Tricks, and everyone's dirty trick complicates interactions of plugins. It's like the old days when you saved memory on a machine by putting what looks to be some data in an odd-size piece of memory, when it's really a set of instructions at an (unusual) odd address instead of an even. So how do you disambiguate that? You can't just use an assembler; you have to disassemble the hand-coded 'data' with a debugger to see the real instructions. OK, resources are cheaper now, but this means either making dirty tricks illegal for any historic instruction set like brand X assembler or TeX, or coming up with a huge parser that can sail the seas of corner cases. The former threatens backward compatibility, thus meeting resistance in the TeX/LaTeX community and probably others. OpenDoc does have government support, so that's an edge. But then there's Microsoft that herds its users into the pastures of non-standards-compliance. Additionally, huge parsers are expensive to implement in several ways. And wasn't SGML supposed to be a generalized markup language? I do like the idea, but I think that balancing details over against abstractions (the Suenden that LaTeXers commit at times come to mind) is always going to be a sort of np-complete issue. Charles ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] Luatex (actually Aleph) and Bidi_Mirrored chars in RTL mode
On Mon, Jun 09, 2008 at 11:08:09PM +0200, Hans Hagen wrote:
Khaled Hosny wrote:
Luatex does not mirror characters that has a Bidi_Mirrored property when
the text direction is set to RTL (TRT in Aleph), according to
http://unicode.org/reports/tr9/#Mirroring, the different types of
parenthesis that has Bidi_Mirrored property should be mirreored in RTL
mode, but this isn't what I get. Is this a bug, feature, or am I missing
some thing?
experimental in the beta
\setcharactermirroring[1]
It does work perfectly with unidirectional texts (RTL or LTR), but when
mixing bi-directional text, like Arabic text between brackets inside
English line, the closing bracket takes the direction of the embedded
text not the main line.
See the attached example.
Regards,
Khaled
no high level interface yet, i need to think of how to do such things as
efficient as possible and prevent interference with font features and
such (currently it's an attribute handler that pops in quite early)
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% engine=luatex
% OpenType features needed for Arabic
\definefontfeature
[arab]
[mode=node,language=dflt,script=arab,
init=yes,medi=yes,fina=yes,isol=yes,
liga=yes,dlig=yes,rlig=yes,clig=yes,
mark=yes,mkmk=yes,kern=yes,curs=yes]
\font\Arab = arabtype*arab
\setcharactermirroring[1]
\hoffset=0pt
% For inner paragraph control within an LR paragraph
\definestartstop
[arabictext]
[commands=%
{\textdir TRT%
\Arab}]
\def\ArabicText#1{\startarabictext#1\stoparabictext}
% For separate Arabic-script paragraphs
\def\ArabicDirPar{\textdir TRT\pardir TRT}
\definestartstop
[arab]
[commands=%
{\Arab%
\ArabicDirPar}]
\showframe[text]
\starttext
\startarab
سلام (قوس) وقوس قوس و [قوس]
وهذا قوس حول نص غير عربي \textdir TLT (hello) \textdir TRT ثم عربي
\stoparab
\blank
Here is some mixed {\em Arabic-} (\ArabicText{عربي}) and
Latin-script. As you can see, Aleph does a very good job mixing
{\em LR} (\ArabicText{يسار-يمين}) and {\em RL}
(\ArabicText{يمين-يسار}) texts. \ArabicText{و
هنا جملة منقطعة في وسط قرينة
لاتينية}. Aleph even does a great job breaking Arabic
phrases across lines.
(bracket) and bracket and [bracket]
\stoptext
mirroring.pdf
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[NTG-context] Format does not match the base files
After updating my system with rsync to get the latest binaries of context I got this message: [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~ texexec --xtx greek_exp.tex system : cont-new loaded (/home/adsm/texmf/tex/context/base/cont-new.tex FatalError : Your format does not match the base files! FormatVersion : 2007.01.12 15:56 MKII FilesVersion: 2008.05.21 15:21 I have done texhash texexec --make --all --xtx texexec --make --all --pdftex Armando ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] Roll-Your-Own Stand-Alone (Was re. ConTeXt ultraminimals)
Hi. Packaging ruby: you only unzip it and set the path. A stripped-down ruby: probably parsing (even if manually) ruby scripts from ConTeXt to determine which packages are needed, and delete the rest of the tree/ruby libraries :) I'm sure that not the whole 70 MB of ruby are needed to run ConTeXt. Mojca Well, I strip the minimals to less than 30MB, removing all the fonts except latin modern (in fact I can remove that 10mb too because I fully depends on commercial fonts), and all the pdftex/metapost/xetex/ruby/perl... stuff. Now LuaTeX and MKIV works perfectly. Only one binary, LuaTeX, is in the ultraminimals. If anyone is interested in that, I can mail it as attachment personally (about 9mb bzip2 package). BTW, Hans, why do LuaTeX still needs type1 format of LM fonts? please check type-ini.tex. fonts like rm-lmr* can be substitude by opentype format instead. Only math typefaces of the type1 font is needed now. Maybe this is because the LuaTeX math mode support? Yue Wang ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
