Re: [NTG-context] BUG: % is comment in btx fields

2017-05-08 Thread Martin Schröder
2017-05-08 23:44 GMT+02:00 Henri Menke :
> The percent character in btx field is taken as a comment characters
> which leads to the rest of the field being discarded.  In the MWE
> below, the URL is cut off at the % sign and everything after it is
> lost.

See also https://tex.stackexchange.com/q/368730/5763

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Re: [NTG-context] 10th ConTeXt meeting update

2016-07-11 Thread Martin Schröder
2016-07-11 12:02 GMT+02:00 Taco Hoekwater :
> To make it up to you, we will allow an extra few days of early bird 
> registration. All registrations done during the current week will still be 
> considered ‘early’, as long as the bank transfer happens at the same time. 
> The new cut-off date is therefore Sunday July 17 (I have no desire to update 
> the web pages with the new deadline, so just ignore the July 1st date given 
> there).

Good. I noticed yesterday that I didn't register yet and early bird
had passed. :-)

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Re: [NTG-context] [OT] Richard Stallmann Receiving the 2015 ACM Software System Award

2016-04-29 Thread Martin Schröder
2016-04-27 19:10 GMT+02:00 luigi scarso :
> http://awards.acm.org/press_releases/technical-awards-2015.pdf

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNU_Compiler_Collection#History

I'm not sure if RMS' role in GCC has been beneficial in say the last two decades

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Re: [NTG-context] Fwd: [dante-ev] Kooperation mit der PDF Association

2016-04-21 Thread Martin Schröder
2016-04-21 19:24 GMT+02:00 Hans Hagen :
> I suppose that Dante, the largest tex user group being around, being a
> member of that group means that the rest of the user groups can save
> themselves the trouble and money ... for the few users who need that kind of

Also the PDFA is mostly german. And any TeX developer who wants to work on
PDF standardisation with the PDFA is welcome, even if (s)he is not a member
of DANTE.

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Re: [NTG-context] two issues with interactive hyperlinks (please comment)

2016-02-22 Thread Martin Schröder
2016-02-22 21:40 GMT+01:00 Alan BRASLAU :
> This makes me think: Is there some "standard" way for a PDF to contain
> both versions?

Adobe introduced something called "portfolios" in PDF 1.7 or later,
but I doubt that they work with non-Adobe viewers.

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[NTG-context] Fwd: [dante-ev] FYI: Hermann Zapf

2015-06-05 Thread Martin Schröder
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From: Juergen Fenn jf...@gmx.net
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Subject: [dante-ev] FYI: Hermann Zapf
To: \Diskussionsliste von DANTE e.V. für Mitglieder
Diskussionsliste\ dante...@dante.de


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Subject: Hermann Zapf
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i've just learned (from Chuck Bigelow)
that Hermann Zapf has died.  R.I.P.
   -- bb



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Re: [NTG-context] drops module release

2014-12-08 Thread Martin Schröder
2014-12-08 13:24 GMT+01:00 Peter Rolf indi...@gmx.net:
 finally(!?) the release of the drops module for ConTeXt.

Which does what?

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Re: [NTG-context] OT: Reflections on usability ConTeXt for typesetting of mathematics

2014-02-11 Thread Martin Schröder
2014-02-11 10:18 GMT+01:00 Fabrice Couvreur fabrice1.couvr...@gmail.com:
 Unless I am mistaken, Cambria is a font available for Windows. I'm using
 Linux, is it possible to install ? Is it free ? If yes, where can I download
 it ?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cambria_(typeface)#Availability

 Xits, I do not know.

It's on CTAN and included in TeXLive.

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Re: [NTG-context] PDF Transparency and ConTeXt

2013-09-29 Thread Martin Schröder
2013/9/29 Thangalin thanga...@gmail.com:
 I ran into what I think is a similar issue with LaTeX and was able to
 resolve it using the following command in the preamble:

   \pdfpageattr{/Group  /S /Transparency /I true /CS /DeviceRGB}

This should be done automagically in pdfTeX (at least it once was).

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Re: [NTG-context] authoring for web and print - suggestions

2013-05-11 Thread Martin Schröder
2013/5/11 Norbert Preining prein...@logic.at:
 Does anyone have experience with authoring for web and print. I.e.,
 we want to maintain only one format and generate both web pages and
 printed documentation from it. Is there intrinsic or through addons
 support in ConteXt for this?

Consider pandoc.
But you probably need math. :-)

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Re: [NTG-context] Enable comments/highlighting in the output PDF

2013-01-22 Thread Martin Schröder
2013/1/22 Devendra Ghate devendra.gh...@gmail.com:
 I would like to create an output PDF file on which comments can be added by
 a reader for feedback.

Use Adobe Acrobat and add that option to the PDF.

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Re: [NTG-context] ConTeXt on the Mac (TexShop). Problem of a newbie

2013-01-10 Thread Martin Schröder
2013/1/10 Keith J. Schultz keithjschu...@web.de:
 I am kind of confused about the relationship between luatex and ConTeXt.

http://www.tug.org/levels.html

ConTeXt MkIV needs LuaTeX.

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Re: [NTG-context] Was: Opening external documents ... - Can ConTeXt reduce size of images?

2013-01-08 Thread Martin Schröder
2013/1/8 Hans Hagen pra...@wxs.nl:
 it's even worse ... all kind of color and other data is present is such a
 file .. the pstopdf.rb script (comes with mkii) gets rid of some of that

We could reduce some of that during pdf inclusion (or use the new
build-in pdf library).

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Re: [NTG-context] Including movies in pdf files

2012-12-02 Thread Martin Schröder
2012/12/3 Bill Meahan subscribed_li...@meahan.net:
 FWIW, Adobe Acrobat Reader 11.0 installs and runs on Xubuntu 12.04 i386 (at
 least the normal functions run, haven't tried any of the oddball stuff).

And where do you get that? It's not listed at
http://www.adobe.com/support/downloads/product.jsp?product=10platform=unix

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Re: [NTG-context] Updating texlive?

2012-11-27 Thread Martin Schröder
2012/11/27 Mojca Miklavec mojca.miklavec.li...@gmail.com:
 What exactly do you mean with a canonical way? The most reliable way

How about delivering a new version through tlcontrib?

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Re: [NTG-context] error when using externalfigure

2012-11-26 Thread Martin Schröder
2012/11/26 luigi scarso luigi.sca...@gmail.com:
 It has 240x160 pixels and 1ppi, so it's 6,096 meters x 4,06400meters

I doubt that 1ppi is intended. :-)

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Re: [NTG-context] Images in MultiMarkdown - context - PDF

2012-11-21 Thread Martin Schröder
2012/11/21 Guy Stalnaker jstal...@wisc.edu:
 I get a very good pdf document, but there is one bewildering issue -- the
 images in the ConTeXt output pdf document are scaled very small. All of

Sounds like the TeX engine gets the wrong idea about the dpi of the images.
Are you using MkII or MkIV?

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Re: [NTG-context] How to display source in ConTeXt?

2012-11-13 Thread Martin Schröder
2012/11/13 yang.zhao hckjs...@gmail.com:
 Thank you, it works.

PLEASE switch of Comic Sans!
http://bancomicsans.com/
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Re: [NTG-context] How to display source in ConTeXt?

2012-11-13 Thread Martin Schröder
2012/11/13 Martin Schröder mar...@oneiros.de:
 2012/11/13 yang.zhao hckjs...@gmail.com:
 Thank you, it works.

 PLEASE switch of Comic Sans!
 http://bancomicsans.com/

Apologies: I forgot a :-)

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Re: [NTG-context] \externalfigure and large-paged pdfs

2012-11-08 Thread Martin Schröder
2012/11/8 Taco Hoekwater t...@bittext.nl:
 Actually, this is a bug report. If you try to include a pdf with a large
 page size:

large being  (\maxdimen / 2.8) ?

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PS: What would break if we extended dimens to 64/63 bit in LuaTeX?
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Re: [NTG-context] TeX expansion within lua

2012-09-04 Thread Martin Schröder
2012/9/4 Marco Patzer home...@lavabit.com:
 I am just interested in a text string, not a box with typeset
 material. I guess that's more difficult, since macros are expanded
 and not just simply read.

http://tracker.luatex.org/view.php?id=682

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Re: [NTG-context] Is it posslible to use remotely loaded image in PDF?

2012-08-29 Thread Martin Schröder
2012/8/29 Rostislav Wolný rostislav.wo...@twobits.cz:
 I'm just wondering if it is possible to create PDF document which contains
 image (link to image) which is downloaded from the Internet and displayed at
 the moment when PDF is opened?

No.

You can use External Objects (PDF Ref 8.8),
but that can only point to local files, not URLs.
And you would need a viewer that handled External Objects.

Or you could use the Open Prepress Interface (PDF Ref 14.11.7),
but that can only point to local files, not URLs.

And you would need a viewer that handled OPI.

Maybe with embedded flash. :-{

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Re: [NTG-context] [OT]...I'm sorry for the others, really.

2012-06-19 Thread Martin Schröder
2012/6/19 luigi scarso luigi.sca...@gmail.com:
 http://wiki.contextgarden.net/User:Luigi.scarso/knuth

Thanks. And I envy you.
And be gentle to Don: He was in SF on Friday/Saturday: http://turing100.acm.org

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Re: [NTG-context] Metapost/Metafun Q: using variables and building blocks?

2012-05-06 Thread Martin Schröder
2012/5/6 Hans Hagen pra...@wxs.nl:
 (btw, I always wonder if the gpl restrictions also apply to the makers too
 ... i.e. if I extend context for a project should I then also make those
 extensions public ... quite a hassle if that would be true.)

The copyright holders are free to use any license. So we have the
free ConTeXt used by anybody but Pragma and the non-free version
sold by Pragma to its customers.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dual_license

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Re: [NTG-context] Non-Printing PDFs with ConTeXt

2012-05-04 Thread Martin Schröder
2012/5/4 Malte Stien ma...@stien.de:
 Is there a way I can get ConTeXt to produce PDFs that are not-printable?

You want DRM. ConTeXt as such does not offer that; tools for DRM and PDF exist.

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Re: [NTG-context] Rendering differences between PDF viewers

2012-04-18 Thread Martin Schröder
2012/4/18 Kip Warner k...@thevertigo.com:
 I stuck it in my environment file. I wonder if there is a safer way of
 doing this than via inline asm, so to speak. Also, maybe for my
 benefit, and anybody else having the same problem, you might be able to
 explain what was happening?

Adobe Reader needs a special object in the page for it to handle
included pdfs or pngs with transparency correctly on the first page
(search for pdftex and page groups.) pdfTeX tries to fix this
automagically for years (1.40.6, I think) by synthesizing this object,
but Hans rejects any automagic solution for LuaTeX (since it may
conflict with mechanisms of ConTeXt) and ConTeXt instead tries to do
the right thing. Here it obviously fails.

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[NTG-context] Fwd: [tldev] tlmgr multi repository support

2012-04-18 Thread Martin Schröder
-- Forwarded message --
From: Norbert Preining prein...@logic.at
Date: 2012/4/18
Subject: [tldev] tlmgr multi repository support
To: tl...@tug.org


Dear all,

with today's update tlmgr multi repository support has entered
into the tlcritical repository and the main svn branch.

We will not ship that for TL2011, but keep it already now in tlcritical
for testing. Everyone is invited to *actually* test it. Here a
short recipe:

1* update tlmgr/texlive.infra to the version in tlcritical:
       tlmgr --repository ftp://tug.org/texlive/tlcritical update --self

if that has succeeded, you should now have a multi-repository
capable installations, but set up to work in normal single repo
mode as before. To add repositories you have to two two things:

2a* add another repository:
       tlmgr repository add ftp://tug.org/texlive/tlcritical tlc
 (the tlc is just a tag name, you can give it any reasonable and unique
 one that is not main and not used already)

If you installation was up2date before, you will see no change but
a slightly different output, and a strange line:
$ tlmgr update --list
tlmgr: package repository:
       main = http://mirror.ctan.org/systems/texlive/tlnet
       tlc = ftp://tug.org/texlive/tlcritical
tlmgr: saving backups to /home/norbert/tltest/2011/tlpkg/backups
keep:     texlive.infra            : local:    26004, source: 24419@main
tlmgr: no updates available
$

Why? Because there is the missing step 2b* which tells tlmgr which packages
are taken from which repository. By default *ALL* packages are taken
from the main repository, the first entered. You will see now two
repositories if you have followed me up to here:
$ tlmgr repository
List of repositories (with tags if set):
       ftp://tug.org/texlive/tlcritical (tlc)
       http://mirror.ctan.org/systems/texlive/tlnet (main)
$

Now how do you tell that you *always* want texlive.infra from
tlcritical:

2b* Declare pinning rules

For the full documentation read tlmgr help, in principle you have
to add a file TEXMFLOCAL/tlpkg/pinning.txt which contains lines
       repo:pkg[,pkg]
where repo is either the full URL or the tag you gave, and pkg is
a package name and can contain shell globs. So to tell tlmgr that you
want all texlive.infra packages from tlcritical, you have to
create a file TEXMFLOCAL/tlpkg/pinning.txt containing only the line
       tlc:texlive.infra*
(where tlc is the name you gave above).

After that the output of tlmgr will change:
$ tlmgr update --list
tlmgr: using pinning file
/home/norbert/tltest/2011/../texmf-local/tlpkg/pinning.txt
tlmgr: package repository:
       main = http://mirror.ctan.org/systems/texlive/tlnet
       tlc = ftp://tug.org/texlive/tlcritical
tlmgr: saving backups to /home/norbert/tltest/2011/tlpkg/backups
tlmgr: no updates available
$

You can inquire about different candidates for installation via:
$ tlmgr candidates texlive.infra
tlmgr: using pinning file
/home/norbert/tltest/2011/../texmf-local/tlpkg/pinning.txt
tlmgr: package repository:
       main = http://mirror.ctan.org/systems/texlive/tlnet
       tlc = ftp://tug.org/texlive/tlcritical
Install candidate for texlive.infra from tlc (26004)
Other repositories providing this package:
main (24419)
$

etc etc. Please read the full man page of tlmgr for more details.

I hope that helps some people to try it out, and give me feed back.
This was a long term project and is now simmering in my local
repository for more than half a year, but still a wider test is
very much needed before TL2012 is released.

Best wishes

Norbert

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Re: [NTG-context] Rendering differences between PDF viewers

2012-04-18 Thread Martin Schröder
2012/4/18 luigi scarso luigi.sca...@gmail.com:
 On Wed, Apr 18, 2012 at 8:47 AM, Martin Schröder mar...@oneiros.de wrote:
 Adobe Reader needs a special object in the page for it to handle
 included pdfs or pngs with transparency correctly on the first page
 (search for pdftex and page groups.)
 AdobeReader or the specification(s) ?

It's known that Adobe needs it.
It's not really in the specs as per ISO3200:2008.
Maybe the next version will be clearer there.

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Re: [NTG-context] ConTeXt User Meeting / EuroTeX 2012?

2012-04-13 Thread Martin Schröder
2012/4/13 Mari Voipio mari.voi...@iki.fi:
 Are the dates and the place correct and so settled that I can rely on
 them while planning the autumn program (both work and otherwise)? And
 whom should I contact about the conference program and such things?
 I've got a few suggestions for them...

I share your concerns; but since this will also be the autumn meeting of
DANTE and the release party of LuaTeX 1.0 I'm still convinced. :-)

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Re: [NTG-context] PDF Digital Signatures

2012-03-20 Thread Martin Schröder
2012/3/20 Mojca Miklavec mojca.miklavec.li...@gmail.com:
 If qpdf exists it is probably not a legal issue to do password protection 
 then.

Of course.

 But from the same perspective ... one first needs PDF to be (almost)
 finished before being able to sign it. One needs to read as-good-as
 the whole PDF, read the certificate from somewhere on the disk and
 then sign with that certificate. If certificate is password-protected,
 one also needs to provide the password somehow.

You can technically sign only parts (IIRC streams) of a PDF.

 government. On the other hand they could just as well have used some
 standard tool and it would work out of the box. So much about signing
 ...

gpg is free. So is jpdfsign.
See also http://wiki.cacert.org/PdfSigning

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[NTG-context] CaLi2CoPi

2012-03-01 Thread Martin Schröder
FYI: On the ghostscript-devel list I came accross this announcement.
Don't be frightened by the language: Google can translate catalan. :-)

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-- Forwarded message --
From: Marc Antoni Malagarriga i Picas marcant...@femfum.com
Date: 2012/3/1
Subject: Re: [gs-devel] Separating PDF layers with ghostscript
To: gs-de...@ghostscript.com



Hi Simone,


Al 01/03/12 8:06, En/na simoneces...@libero.it ha escrit:

 I need to separate layers in PDF files (created in adobe illustrator) into
 different files - pdf or raster - via the command line.


You can try our open source CaLi2CoPi library (PostScript code),
online via Ghostscript, to separate in PDF layers different graphic
elements (vectors, XObjects, inLine images, text, shading patterns and
FormXObjects), upload a PDF file e voilà...
http://www.l·l.cat/femfum/CaLi2CoPi_10/
...this is one of several specialized flags that performs jobs inside
PDF files. Here you have the project in SF...
http://femfumcali2copi.sourceforge.net/

Ciao,


--
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Re: [NTG-context] Scribus vs ConTeXt

2012-03-01 Thread Martin Schröder
2012/3/1 William Adams will.ad...@frycomm.com:
 Unfortunately, there aren't many hooks in InDesign (and none I'm aware of in 
 Quark) to activate scripts automatically, so that a document will build 
 itself --- one which is pretty cool is Dirk Becker's auto-indexing script 
 which will run a script to format index entries (so as to make up for 
 InDesign's inability to capture character styles in index entries).

May I suggest you contact our sales agent: http://www.priint.net/en/ -
if you truely want to do Database Publishing with InDesign. :-)

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Re: [NTG-context] Scribus vs ConTeXt

2012-02-29 Thread Martin Schröder
2012/2/29 William Adams will.ad...@frycomm.com:
 I wrote up a longer comparison once upon a time --- Scribus isn't that much 
 different from InDesign and Quark, so the criticism holds:

wikify please!

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Re: [NTG-context] Font embedding

2012-02-28 Thread Martin Schröder
2012/2/28 Honza Hejzl honza.he...@gmail.com:
 satisfy 99 % of modern printing offices. Embedding of all fonts is very
 typical demand of them. I really need it, sometimes it is not good or

Check the yellow pages for a printing house that does not demand that. :-)

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Re: [NTG-context] Font embedding

2012-02-28 Thread Martin Schröder
2012/2/28 Honza Hejzl honza.he...@gmail.com:
 PDF file must be version 1.3

Yellow pages. Now. Choose one that can handle PDF/X-4.

PDF 1.4 was released in 2001. If they need 1.3, their software is
probably a decade old.

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Re: [NTG-context] Any (other) ConTeXt users in Finland?

2011-10-05 Thread Martin Schröder
2011/10/3 Mari Voipio mari.voi...@iki.fi:
 other users as well as the developers, I'm wondering if there are any
 other ConTeXt users in Finland? And if so, would you be interested in

I just checked the nordic TUGS:
- Nordic TeX (http://folk.uio.no/dag/ntug/) seems to be long dead
- Danish TUG (http://www.tug.dk/) is active
- CyrTUG (http://www.cemi.rssi.ru/cyrtug/) gives a page not found
- ÍsTeX (http://www3.hi.is/pub/istex/) seems to be dormant

So there is room for a Finnish TUG :-)

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Re: [NTG-context] new look for wiki

2011-09-27 Thread Martin Schröder
2011/9/27 luigi scarso luigi.sca...@gmail.com:
 Nice work, thank you very much Siep.

Indeed. But where is the option for it to use the full width of my
browser window?

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Re: [NTG-context] new look for wiki

2011-09-27 Thread Martin Schröder
2011/9/27 Martin Schröder mar...@oneiros.de:
 Indeed. But where is the option for it to use the full width of my
 browser window?

Found it, sorry for the noise. Just login and choose a different skin. :-)

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Re: [NTG-context] Apple Emoji (was: Smileys)

2011-08-18 Thread Martin Schröder
2011/8/18 Mojca Miklavec mojca.miklavec.li...@gmail.com:
 If you need to quickly find a picture of women with bunny ears for
 party invitation for example ...

http://www.fileformat.info/info/unicode/char/1f46f/index.htm ? :-)
http://www.fileformat.info/info/unicode/char/1f5fe/index.htm %-}

Was Unicode ever serious?

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Re: [NTG-context] ConTeXt Book: Request for help!

2011-08-15 Thread Martin Schröder
2011/8/15 Florian Wobbe florian.wo...@awi.de:
 Have you ever googled for something context related? You end up mostly with 
 false positives because context can appear just in any context.

They even have their own conference: http://context-11.teco.edu :-)

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Re: [NTG-context] ConTeXt Book: Request for help!

2011-08-15 Thread Martin Schröder
2011/8/15 Idris Samawi Hamid ادريس   سماوي حامد isha...@colostate.edu:
 Believe me, I've looked at just about every option out there :-)

I believe you. And I think the editor is a typical bikeshed. :-)
https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Parkinson%27s_Law_of_Triviality

I applaud your efforts.

What's the planned release date?
Will you include software?

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Re: [NTG-context] ConTeXt - LaTeXt - ODT?

2011-07-19 Thread Martin Schröder
2011/7/19 Cecil Westerhof cldwester...@gmail.com:
 was possible to convert ConTeXt to LaTeXt and LaTeXt to an ODT file. This

LaTeX - ODT: tex4ht

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Re: [NTG-context] ConTeXt - LaTeXt - ODT?

2011-07-19 Thread Martin Schröder
2011/7/19 Mojca Miklavec mojca.miklavec.li...@gmail.com:
 If you can throw away any formatting you did and if you didn't use too
 many ConTeXt specific tricks, you can simply rewrite your code to
 LaTeX with a few regular expressions etc. But in the same spirit it
 might be way easier to just convert the document straight to ODT
 using copy-paste and applying some formatting there.

Or, if you know up front that you need multiple output formats,
you could use Markdown/Pandoc etc. and let it generate ConTeXt
as needed.

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Re: [NTG-context] ConTeXt to Markdown (was Edit a ConTeXt generated document with Adobe Acrobat Professional)

2011-07-19 Thread Martin Schröder
2011/7/19 Cecil Westerhof cldwester...@gmail.com:
 When you find them, I would be interested in them. And maybe I can improve
 on them.

Pandoc. :-)

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Re: [NTG-context] Edit a ConTeXt generated document with Adobe Acrobat Professional

2011-07-14 Thread Martin Schröder
2011/7/14 Cecil Westerhof cldwester...@gmail.com:
 I can install them without problems? There is no restricting copyright on
 them?

Yes. No.

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Re: [NTG-context] Edit a ConTeXt generated document with Adobe Acrobat Professional

2011-07-14 Thread Martin Schröder
2011/7/14 John Haltiwanger john.haltiwan...@gmail.com:
 Pandoc, so I'm not familiar with Context's xhtml capacities.

MkIV can create XML. :-)

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Re: [NTG-context] Links

2011-07-12 Thread Martin Schröder
2011/7/12 Hans Hagen pra...@wxs.nl:
 Sure, you have to be a ntg member in order to read the latest two issues. So
 being a member has some benefits (and also helps tex continue to exist).

I got the paper. How can I access the pdf now?

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Re: [NTG-context] Fifth ConTeXt meeting, September 2011, France

2011-07-05 Thread Martin Schröder
2011/7/5 Alan Braslau alan.bras...@cea.fr:
 11km from the train station to the ferry. Is there a bus?
 And from the airport?

Air France will gladly sell you flights by TGV for Paris - Toulon. :-)

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Re: [NTG-context] How to override the print resolution

2011-07-04 Thread Martin Schröder
2011/7/4 Mojca Miklavec mojca.miklavec.li...@gmail.com:
 pdfTeX supports that with
    image_resolution 300
 in pdftex.cfg for example (but maybe only if resolution is not defined).

Yes. It's only used if the image specifies none or it has a crazy value.

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Re: [NTG-context] Fifth ConTeXt meeting, September 2011, France

2011-07-04 Thread Martin Schröder
2010/10/3 Arthur Reutenauer arthur.reutena...@normalesup.org:
  I hereby announce the next ConTeXt meeting, that will take place on
 the island of Porquerolles off the coast of the French Riviera,
 from Monday, September 19th, 2011, to Saturday, September 24th.  The
 conference venue has been pre-booked for these dates, so this is firm.
 Of course, there is yet nothing like a set program at this moment, so
 we're expecting your proposals (there will be a formal call for papers
 later).

  Watch this page:

        http://meeting.contextgarden.net/2011/

Only 76 days left.

When will we have updates on the web page for
- travel information
- schedule
- payment information
- program

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Re: [NTG-context] Scaling down the resolution of used pictures

2011-06-29 Thread Martin Schröder
2011/6/29 Cecil Westerhof cldwester...@gmail.com:
 I do not use graphics a lot in my ConTeXt files. But some time ago I used
 several pictures with a very high resolution. This made the resulting PDF
 very big. I did not expect the PDF printed on a printer with a higher
 resolution as 1200 DPI. Is there a way to have the included graphics not be
 bigger as necessary (without changing the original pictures)?

Use a program for image manipulation, e.g. ImageMagick.

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Re: [NTG-context] Text Background

2011-06-23 Thread Martin Schröder
2011/6/23 H. Hodges freelancer.hod...@gmail.com:
 I don't know what minimals means. I've tried both of the commands you listed

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=context+minimalsl=1

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Re: [NTG-context] compresslevel and png graphics (mkiv)

2011-05-26 Thread Martin Schröder
2011/5/25 Hans Hagen pra...@wxs.nl:
 Normally I convert such images to pdf first (using acrobat or gs) simply
 because inclusion of pdf is much faster.

-
 podofoimg2pdf --help
Usage: podofoimg2pdf [output.pdf] [-useimgsize] [image1 image2 image3 ...]

Options:
 -useimgsizeUse the imagesize as page size, instead of A4

PoDoFo Version: 0.8.4


This tool will combine any number of images into a single PDF.
This is useful to create a document from scanned images.
Large pages will be scaled to fit the page and imags smaller
than the defined page size, will be centered.

Supported image formats:
JPEG
PNG
TIFF
-
I haven't tested it.

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Re: [NTG-context] [OT] Street-Fighting Mathematics

2011-05-22 Thread Martin Schröder
2011/5/22 Pontus Lurcock p...@talvi.net:
 http://mitpress.mit.edu/books/full_pdfs/Street-Fighting_Mathematics.pdf

- the /ArtBox is an inch too high
- for linearizing you can also use qpdf

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Re: [NTG-context] [OT] Javascript PC Emulator - Technical Notes

2011-05-17 Thread Martin Schröder
2011/5/17 Patrick Gundlach patr...@gundla.ch:
 so it's only a matter of time when TeX runs in the browser. I don't know 
 how/if it is possible to access local files, but that should be doable 
 (dropbox,...)

s/run/crawls/

This emulates a pc with 20 bogomips and 30MB RAM.
It's probably slower than the machine DEK used for development of TeX78. :-)

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Re: [NTG-context] lm otf math

2011-05-13 Thread Martin Schröder
2011/5/13 Hans Hagen pra...@wxs.nl:
 The next beta will deal with Schröder math input encoding:

:-)))
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Re: [NTG-context] lm otf math

2011-05-12 Thread Martin Schröder
2011/5/12 Hans Hagen pra...@wxs.nl:
 \starttext
    $e=mc^2$

Shouldn't that be something like e=mc²?

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Re: [NTG-context] Wiki discussion: Fwd: Ctx wiki

2011-04-05 Thread Martin Schröder
2011/4/1 Procházka Lukáš Ing. - Pontex s. r. o. l...@pontex.cz:
 - Why there is %5C in the links above? Any way how to avoid this?

Most likely because \ is technically not a valid character in URLs
(I didn't check the RFC) and so is hex encoded as %5C.

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Re: [NTG-context] Using forms and saving values

2011-04-05 Thread Martin Schröder
2011/4/5 Peter Münster pmli...@free.fr:
 Why mkvi and not mkv ?

Maybe Hans doesn't like Ritchie Blackmore :-)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Deep_Purple_band_members

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Re: [NTG-context] Ideas for restructuring the ConTeXt garden?

2011-03-14 Thread Martin Schröder
2011/3/14 Aditya Mahajan adit...@umich.edu:
 The hard part is figuring out the values (font size, spaces after sections,
 etc) from the LaTeX code. It is difficult to look at
 http://mirror.hmc.edu/ctan/macros/latex/contrib/IEEEtran/IEEEtran.cls and
 figure out what is the title size for a 10pt document, or how much space
 should come between the author block and the start of the two column text,
 etc.

Erm - is that really needed? Today a typical journal's workflow should
accept articles in LaTeX _markup_, convert that to XML and feed it to an
XML formatter (which may well use TeX) eventually. I see ConTeXt's role
there as the XML formatter. Or it could digest LaTeX markup - but then
it would need more than just the layout.

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Re: [NTG-context] tex-live and MkIV

2011-03-09 Thread Martin Schröder
2011/3/9 Hans Hagen pra...@wxs.nl:
 just install the minimals ... luatex/mkiv is a moving target and we don't
 bother about versions that old

And there's tlcontrib...

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Re: [NTG-context] ConTeXt licensing

2011-03-02 Thread Martin Schröder
2011/3/2 Mojca Miklavec mojca.miklavec.li...@gmail.com:
 I really like the particular answer pointing to bugroff licence:
    http://www.reocities.com/SoHo/Cafe/5947/bugroff.html

It's a nice joke, but for practical purposes a one-clause BSD
license allows the same freedoms, but is legally clear.

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Re: [NTG-context] ConTeXt licensing

2011-03-02 Thread Martin Schröder
2011/3/2 Khaled Hosny khaledho...@eglug.org:
 I was about to say that, though I'm pro strong copyleft (AKA GPL when
 fits) myself, though I highly doubt, for practical reasons ;), that any
 one can take a BSD licensed ConTeXt and make a closed source derivative
 with any substantial improvement.

That may be legally possible. But who wants to support such a beast?
Seriously: Using ConTeXt mkIV without the possibility of support by Hans
et.al. is a desaster waiting to happen.

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Re: [NTG-context] ConTeXt licensing

2011-03-01 Thread Martin Schröder
2011/3/1 Joseph Wright joseph.wri...@morningstar2.co.uk:
 This question seems to require an 'official' response, as things do seem
 a little confusing (at least to me). I'm happy to post something as a

You won't get a more official response than
http://www.pragma-ade.com/general/manuals/mreadme.pdf

. . . and don’t bother discussing licence issues and related things
with us for the mere sake of discussing licence stuff.

If someone wants to use ConTeXt commercially I advise her to contact
Pragma ADE, if only to get a support contract (if they offer such a
thing).

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Re: [NTG-context] using ConTeXt/LuaTeX instead of a spreadsheet program

2011-02-16 Thread Martin Schröder
2011/2/16 Hans Hagen pra...@wxs.nl:
 I would put them in a lua table and access them when needed (you can load
 that table from an external file)

Which precision do we have in luatex? Single or double?

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Re: [NTG-context] qpdf broken with beta since 2001/02/08

2011-02-10 Thread Martin Schröder
2011/2/10 Hans Hagen pra...@wxs.nl:
 best is to make two pdf files that are as small as possible and send them
 off-list to Luigi and me so that we can look into them.

And me, please. The qpdf author is very helpfull, though. :-)

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Re: [NTG-context] platform/architecture (was: new beta)

2011-01-26 Thread Martin Schröder
2011/1/27 Mojca Miklavec mojca.miklavec.li...@gmail.com:
 luatex running on 64-bit Mas OS X for example). Somebody would have to
 write some simple code to check for that though.

Somebody, anybody, nobody... ,-)
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Re: [NTG-context] Translating PDF-files

2011-01-19 Thread Martin Schröder
2011/1/19 Cecil Westerhof cldwester...@gmail.com:
 Someone asked me how to convert a PDF to XML and back. The reasons is that
 he has a PDF in English, but he likes to have it also in Russian. His idea

It will be _much_ easier to get the original english sources and
translate _them_ (and create a new PDF from the translate). Trust me.

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Re: [NTG-context] [OT] Public Fonts for Minority Languages of Russia

2011-01-08 Thread Martin Schröder
2011/1/8 Khaled Hosny khaledho...@eglug.org:
 On Thu, Jan 06, 2011 at 07:25:42AM +0100, Martin Schröder wrote:
 qpdf is MUCH better...

 I take your word on this, but out of curiosity, better in what sense?

pdfopt is ghostscript, that is the pdf is fed into a PostScript RIP,
which spits out linearized pdf.

qpdf uses a pdf library and reorganizes the pdf so it is linearized.
So it knows more about pdf than gs, is much lighter (one binary and
one lib with together 1MB compared to ghostscript), much less can go
wrong (e.g. images are not changed) and IMHO the support for qpdf is
much better. :-)

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Re: [NTG-context] luatex.org down?

2011-01-08 Thread Martin Schröder
2011/1/9 Jonas Stein n...@jonasstein.de:
 i get no response at the moment
 (Sun Jan  9 00:56:38 CET 2011) for luatex.org
 and its subdomain http://tracker.luatex.org/

It's just you:
http://www.downforeveryoneorjustme.com/www.luatex.org
http://www.downforeveryoneorjustme.com/tracker.luatex.org

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Re: [NTG-context] [OT] Public Fonts for Minority Languages of Russia

2011-01-06 Thread Martin Schröder
2011/1/6 Hans Hagen pra...@wxs.nl:
 \usemodule[fnt-31]

And what magic generates the linearized pdf?

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Re: [NTG-context] [OT] Public Fonts for Minority Languages of Russia

2011-01-05 Thread Martin Schröder
2011/1/5 Khaled Hosny khaledho...@eglug.org:
 On Wed, Jan 05, 2011 at 10:35:46PM +0100, luigi scarso wrote:
 Fast Web View : Yes
 How did you done with mkiv ?

 pdfopt from GS?

qpdf is MUCH better...

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Re: [NTG-context] [OT] Public Fonts for Minority Languages of Russia

2011-01-05 Thread Martin Schröder
2011/1/6 luigi scarso luigi.sca...@gmail.com:
 http://texnik.dante.de/misc/PTSerif.pdf
 seems to be done with context directly, without postprocessing with 
 ghostscript

luatex can not generate linearized pdf directly.

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Re: [NTG-context] Selecting pdf version

2011-01-02 Thread Martin Schröder
2011/1/2 Jean-Philippe Rey jean-philippe@ecp.fr:
 I am using the university printshop.  I asked them to upgrade their system.  
 They answered that it was too costly whereas pdf versions 1.5 and further add 
 only interactive features and don't bring any improvement for printing 
 documents.

1.5 also adds support for layers (optional content), which allow the
exchange of text for different languages by placing them on separate
layers (schwarzfilmtausch).

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Re: [NTG-context] contextgarden down?

2010-12-30 Thread Martin Schröder
2010/12/30 Jan-Erik Hägglöf janerik.hagg...@bredband.net:
 Is contextgarden down, cannot access it for some reason?

http://www.downforeveryoneorjustme.com/www.contextgarden.net

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Re: [NTG-context] ConTeXt beta in MikTeX

2010-12-23 Thread Martin Schröder
2010/12/23 Mojca Miklavec mojca.miklavec.li...@gmail.com:
 from what I understand WinEdt kind-of-works with Unicode (as long as
 all the characters belong to a single codepade, it is able to save and
 read the file as UTF-8).

It's 2010, not 1995. Forget about editors that don't do Unicode.
Especially if they cost money.

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Re: [NTG-context] ConTeXt beta in MikTeX

2010-12-22 Thread Martin Schröder
2010/12/22  barndog1...@gmail.com:
 et voila you now have Context latest beta running under MikTeX via
 Winedt!

Why do you use Winedt with ConTeXt? Winedt is shareware and doesn't
really do Unicode.

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Re: [NTG-context] Compatibility problem Ctx TeXlive2010 x ctx minimals or error in code??

2010-12-20 Thread Martin Schröder
2010/12/20 Jaroslav Hajtmar hajt...@gyza.cz:
 I'm looking the reason of non-functioning my context module in the context
 TeXlive 2010.

If your are using ConTeXt with TL2010, you should use tlcontrib.

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Re: [NTG-context] 4000 pages limit?

2010-12-17 Thread Martin Schröder
2010/12/17 Vedran Miletić riva...@gmail.com:
 How high is the limit now? Just curious, since I saw LuaTeX building _a
 paragraph_ lasting few hundred pages without problems (on the other hand,
 pdfTeX couldn't do it).

Which limit? For the simple knuth case most likely the size of your harddisk
is the limit (iff luatex can generate PDFs 4GB :). And you'll get problems
with pdfs with millions of objects (i.e. pages), as readers can't cope with
them.

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Re: [NTG-context] 4000 pages limit?

2010-12-17 Thread Martin Schröder
2010/12/17 Taco Hoekwater t...@elvenkind.com:
 pdf due to its internal limits (luatex will happily create 10GB pdfs).

The code allows ca. 1TB; that should be enough for everyone (I hope I don't live
to see the day that it isn't :).

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Re: [NTG-context] 4000 pages limit?

2010-12-17 Thread Martin Schröder
2010/12/17 Alan BRASLAU alan.bras...@cea.fr:
 Which readers: do you refer to computer programs or to humans?

Programs. You'll hit implementation limits in Adobe Reader.

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Re: [NTG-context] why lua?

2010-12-17 Thread Martin Schröder
2010/12/17 Jonas Stein n...@jonasstein.de:
 Why do we use lua and not python or perl or...
 Where can i find the features for lua for this job?

RTFAQ: http://www.luatex.org/faq.html

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Re: [NTG-context] Saveable PDF-Files for Adobe Reader

2010-12-10 Thread Martin Schröder
2010/12/8 Daniel Grycman daniel.gryc...@rub.de:
 how can I create saveable PDF-Files with ConTeXt for Adobe Reader?

You can not (if you mean adding comments or saving form fields).
Please complain to Adobe about this.

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Re: [NTG-context] Master document

2010-11-23 Thread Martin Schröder
2010/11/24 Hans Hagen pra...@wxs.nl:
 What is a master document?

I assume he means a document \including other files, which contain
parts of the whole work. In LaTeX these parts can be compiled
independently using \includeonly, while still maintaining the overall
references and page numbers.

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Re: [NTG-context] context ltcontrib luatex

2010-11-17 Thread Martin Schröder
2010/11/17, Taco Hoekwater t...@elvenkind.com:
 At a guess: you probably need to do a manual

$ mtxrun --generate

 that should fix it.

It didn't.

 Meanwhile, there is a new context at texlive itself, and as a result
 the one on tlcontrib is currently out of date. That situation should
 be corrected at 11am GMT+1.

That did; everythings fine now.

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[NTG-context] context ltcontrib luatex

2010-11-16 Thread Martin Schröder
Hi,
it seems the recent context from TL doesn't work with the latest
luatex from TLcontrib:
--
 tlmgr update --all
cannot contact mirror.ctan.org, returning a backbone server!
tlmgr: package repository http://www.ctan.org/tex-archive/systems/texlive/tlnet
tlmgr: saving backups to /opt/tex/texlive2010/tlpkg/backups
skipping forcibly removed package collection-texworks
context.x86_64-linux: local: 18903, source: 18902 (reverse, keep)
ifplatform: local: 15880, source: 15878 (reverse, keep)
luatex: local: 20016, source: 20014 (reverse, keep)
luatex.x86_64-linux: local: 19406, source: 19402 (reverse, keep)
metapost: local: 18838, source: 18835 (reverse, keep)
metapost.x86_64-linux: local: 19022, source: 19019 (reverse, keep)
tlmgr: no updates available
 tlc update --all
tlmgr: package repository http://tlcontrib.metatex.org/2010
tlmgr: saving backups to /opt/tex/texlive2010/tlpkg/backups
context: local: 20438, source: 20273 (reverse, keep)
expl3: local: 20360, source: 20101 (reverse, keep)
tlmgr: no updates available
 context tabulate.tex

MTXrun | warning: engine mismatch (luv: This is LuaTeX, Version
beta-0.63.0-2010090921  bin: This is LuaTeX, Version
beta-0.64.0-2010111216), forcing remake
MTXrun | running command: luatools --generate cannot open
/opt/tex/texlive2010/texmf-dist/scripts/context/lua/mtx-base.lua: No
such file or directory

MTXrun | running command: luatools --make --compile cont-encannot open
/opt/tex/texlive2010/texmf-dist/scripts/context/lua/mtx-base.lua: No
such file or directory

MTXrun | run 1: luatex
--fmt=/opt/tex/texlive2010/texmf-cache/luatex-cache/context/ae9f92585f0137e9f36355f6302c5a7a/formats/cont-en
--lua=/opt/tex/texlive2010/texmf-cache/luatex-cache/context/ae9f92585f0137e9f36355f6302c5a7a/formats/cont-en.lui
--backend=pdf ./tabulate.texThis is LuaTeX, Version
beta-0.64.0-2010111216
 \write18 enabled.

(Fatal format file error; I'm stymied)
MTXrun | fatal error: return code: 1
--
Can I fix that at my end or do I have to wait for a new context from
TLC?

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Re: [NTG-context] Placing boxes anywhere on the page

2010-11-16 Thread Martin Schröder
2010/11/17, Hans Hagen pra...@wxs.nl:
 On 16-11-2010 9:41, Peter Münster wrote:
 Layers or overlays are certainly the right method. But there is also the
 \position macro:

 So that is still used? (If so, I should look into optimizing and cleanup
 as it's real old code).

Seems like a feature that's nice to have; it mirrors the texpos
package for LaTeX. Please update it.

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Re: [NTG-context] Separate layout and content XML files?

2010-11-12 Thread Martin Schröder
2010/11/12 Peter Davis p...@pfdstudio.com:
 Is that clear?

It's called database publishing. :-)

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Re: [NTG-context] A pdf-file per XML-node

2010-11-10 Thread Martin Schröder
2010/11/10 Daniel Grycman daniel.gryc...@rub.de:
 For every worker a separate pdf is needed. It would be also nice to have
 the name-entry as a file-name. Any ideas?

We would have to extend luatex to allow the generation of multiple pdf
files from one source document. Not trivial, but quite interesting. :-)

http://tracker.luatex.org/view.php?id=510

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Re: [NTG-context] [OT] xkcd Knuth

2010-11-08 Thread Martin Schröder
2010/11/8 Mojca Miklavec mojca.miklavec.li...@gmail.com:
 http://www.xkcd.com/816/

Nice. :-)

But Don doesn't write checks in US$ anymore. :-)

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Re: [NTG-context] greek letters in itemize

2010-10-31 Thread Martin Schröder
2010/10/31 Khaled Hosny khaledho...@eglug.org:
 LM has upper case Greek, no idea why not lower case as well.

I still find the idea of greek letters in a font called latin
interesting... :-)

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Re: [NTG-context] NTG Meeting October 27, 2010

2010-10-29 Thread Martin Schröder
2010/10/28 Hans Hagen pra...@wxs.nl:
 On 28-10-2010 2:17, luigi scarso wrote:
 Frans G decided never to print again.

And Hans  Taco startet a Print-On-Demand shop. :-)

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Re: [NTG-context] metafun

2010-10-20 Thread Martin Schröder
2010/10/20 Mojca Miklavec mojca.miklavec.li...@gmail.com:
 On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 14:03, Hans Hagen wrote:
 Offtopic: I would vote for TikZ manual (if author is still reachable).

You mean pgfmanual.pdf? That's free, so it shouldn't be a legal problem.
But it's a thick brick...

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Re: [NTG-context] Failure to Install minimals on iBook G3

2010-10-19 Thread Martin Schröder
2010/10/19 Mojca Miklavec mojca.miklavec.li...@gmail.com:
 allow cross-compilation for Tiger. And the number of Tiger users is
 not neglegible at all ...

Maybe you should ask for donations to get a Tiger PPC build machine
for the minimals?

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Re: [NTG-context] Wanted: ConTeXt: The poster

2010-10-16 Thread Martin Schröder
2010/9/7 Henning Hraban Ramm hra...@fiee.net:
 Am 2010-09-07 um 12:09 schrieb Martin Schröder:
 for use at a conference booth I'd like to have a poster (A3 up to A0)
 describing (and of course promoting) ConTeXt. You may assume that the
 audience already knows (La)TeX. :-)
 The first use would be at OpenRheinRuhr in November.

 Since most ConTeXt developers will be together next week, could you
 please spend some time creating one?

 I'm at least planning to compile a cheat-sheet over the meeting.
 And I should renew my German tutorial... (Many ideas, not enough time...)

Any progress?

Flyers for ConTeXt and LuaTeX would be nice, too.

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Re: [NTG-context] Question for wiki authors

2010-10-09 Thread Martin Schröder
2010/10/8 Taco Hoekwater t...@elvenkind.com:
 In doing so, it is not always immediately obvious who is doing what
 because the 'recent changes' list quite often does not contain a useful
 summary message. This is understandable, but it would really help
 if everybody would at least put something in the Summary field.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Uw-editsummary ?

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PS: http://shirky.com/writings/group_enemy.html
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Re: [NTG-context] [OT] Mensis

2010-09-11 Thread Martin Schröder
2010/9/11 luigi scarso luigi.sca...@gmail.com:
 http://mensis.sourceforge.net/

Interesting. And a perfect example how NOT to structure the home page
of an open source program: What's it all about? Well, we have this
link here which will tell you everything if you click it, but we don't
want to put a para on the main page ... :-(

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[NTG-context] Wanted: ConTeXt: The poster

2010-09-07 Thread Martin Schröder
Hi,
for use at a conference booth I'd like to have a poster (A3 up to A0)
describing (and of course promoting) ConTeXt. You may assume that the
audience already knows (La)TeX. :-)
The first use would be at OpenRheinRuhr in November.

Since most ConTeXt developers will be together next week, could you
please spend some time creating one?

A short (say 20 frames) PDF presentation on the same subject would
also be nice to have.

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Re: [NTG-context] questions regarding `\date`

2010-08-31 Thread Martin Schröder
2010/8/31 Taco Hoekwater t...@elvenkind.com:
 The Chicago manual (14ed) says that slashed/dotted dates are bad style
 and should be avoided and that one should use full month names instead.

Seconded. And if you have to use a short form, please follow ISO 8601
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISO_8601) - nobody can be sure when the
8.9.10 is.

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Re: [NTG-context] beta

2010-08-10 Thread Martin Schröder
2010/8/10 Hans Hagen pra...@wxs.nl:
 \setupbackend
  [format=valid pdf/x name,
   profile=name.icc,
   intent=name.icc,
   level=compresslevel, % default 3

Does it correctly handle x-4? That's a lot harder then x-3.

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