Re: [NTG-context] Math and bold font: \definetypeface
To get back to my problem:
The default Ctx bodyfont (CMR) is all right for me, I don't need to change it
(but it's possible, if it should simplify something).
If you don't need CMR, than simply don't use. It does not have greek
boldmath/upright anyway.
If I understand well, the default Ctx font - CMR - is used for typesetting
[bold]math as well. But the problem is that it fails when typesetting bold
Greek letters.
Right.
What code - \typescript, \define???font??? - to use?
Just to make the code $Abc \alpha = {\aSwitchToBoldMath Abc \alpha} = or
\aCommandToTypeBoldMath{Abc \alpha}$ work.
Minimal example that uses Tex Gyre Pagella and Heros for serif and sans, and
either Cambria, Asana, Neo Euler, or XITS for math (comment in your choice and
make sure that context finds the fonts):
\starttypescript [myface]
\definetypeface [\typescriptone] [rm] [serif] [pagella] [default]
\definetypeface [\typescriptone] [ss] [sans] [heros] [default]
\definetypeface [\typescriptone] [tt] [mono] [modern] [default]
%\definetypeface [\typescriptone] [mm] [math] [cambria][default]
%\definetypeface [\typescriptone] [mm] [math] [asana][default]
%\definetypeface [\typescriptone] [mm] [math] [euler][default]
\definetypeface [\typescriptone] [mm] [math] [xits][default]
\stoptypescript
\setupbodyfont[myface]
\starttext
Pagella \par
{\ss Heros} \par
{\tt Modern Typewriter} \par
$Abc \beta = {{\bi Abc} \bf Abc \beta \mathgreekupright \beta}$
\stoptext
Note that Neo Euler does not have italics and there are no fallbacks for
bold/greek italic. So ${\bi A} \bf \beta$ will be displayed as $A \beta$.
Best wishes,
Florian
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Re: [NTG-context] Math and bold font: \definetypeface
Hello -
On Wed, 08 Dec 2010 11:24:36 +0100, Florian Wobbe florian.wo...@awi.de wrote:
Minimal example that uses Tex Gyre Pagella and Heros for serif and sans, and
either Cambria, Asana, Neo Euler, or XITS for math (comment in your choice and
make sure that context finds the fonts):
\starttypescript [myface]
\definetypeface [\typescriptone] [rm] [serif] [pagella] [default]
\definetypeface [\typescriptone] [ss] [sans] [heros] [default]
\definetypeface [\typescriptone] [tt] [mono] [modern] [default]
%\definetypeface [\typescriptone] [mm] [math] [cambria][default]
%\definetypeface [\typescriptone] [mm] [math] [asana][default]
%\definetypeface [\typescriptone] [mm] [math] [euler][default]
\definetypeface [\typescriptone] [mm] [math] [xits][default]
\stoptypescript
\setupbodyfont[myface]
\starttext
Pagella \par
{\ss Heros} \par
{\tt Modern Typewriter} \par
$Abc \beta = {{\bi Abc} \bf Abc \beta \mathgreekupright \beta}$
\stoptext
Note that Neo Euler does not have italics and there are no fallbacks for
bold/greek italic. So ${\bi A} \bf \beta$ will be displayed as $A \beta$.
Best wishes,
Florian
- thanks for the solution and thanks to all for explanations and again for
patience.
Best regards,
Lukas
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Re: [NTG-context] Math and bold font
** Hans Hagen [2010-12-04 09:55:25 +0100]: [...] \setupbodyfont[cambria] \starttext This is a test. $a=\alpha$ $\bf a=\alpha$ $\bi a=\alpha$ \stoptext BTW, I not sure if I use correct way to switch fonts in math mode (in LaTeX commands to switch fonts are different in text and math mode, and I have big LaTex background, so for me this way is unusual :). best try to convert to the unicode math approach: bold a-z is different unicode slots than a-z and in context the \bf command does that transformation on ascii a-z (you can also key in the official unicode chars); the benefit is that you can cut and paste the bold characters in pdf files i.e. you retain that property; a bold b is not a bold one in typographic sense but a special symbol that happens to use a bold rendering; in for instance a section title, one can have all math bold, and then this regular bold character will become real bold But this is not universal solution. Suppose I want to use serif bold italic font for vectors and sans bold italic for tensors (this is recommendation of NIST, see sp811.pdf on nist.gov). Of course I could enter vectors and tensors as symbols from appropriate unicode slots but what if my publisher says me that vectors should be in sans bold and tensors in serif bold italic? So I define commands, like \vect and \tensor to markup what symbols are verctors and what are tensors. Therefore I consider context (as well as LaTeX) as sort of markup (mix of procedural and descriptive markups). Returning to original question: I don't check but AFAIU one can define your own typescript and choose what fonts are used in math mode (mm?). If current typescript (modern?, latin modern?) doesn't have bold greek letters for math one should define new typescript and use for mm (math) font which have bold greek letters. P.S. I could be wrong with terms. --- WBR, Vladimir Lomov -- innovate, v.: To annoy people. ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] Math and bold font
On 5-12-2010 1:18, Procházka Lukáš wrote:
- So does it mean that the Vladimir's cambria case is exactly the
seldom case when regular and bold math are available, both defining
Greek chars like \alpha as well?
afaik cambria has no bold font (although it has the unicode bold
alphabet etc)
Please, could you give more examples of normal and bold math fonts of
the same kin (to be used for normal and bold math), both having Greek
letters as well?
iwona and antykwa have four variants of boldness
- What is the relationship to AMS fonts
(http://www.ams.org/publications/authors/tex/amsfonts)? Or how to make
them accessible in Ctx document? How to make them work?
no relationship ... they are used in some of the math setups (like latin
modern) but are of no use for (say) cambria
- - On the site it's written: ... What is AMSFonts? ... *Subscript
sizes of bold math italic and bold Greek letters* ... Because these
fonts are standard TeX fonts, they may be used with any standard TeX
system ...
bold math italic is an alphabet and cambria has it
the virtual variants don't seem to have them so I've added fallbacks for
them, so in the upcoming beta all these should show up
\starttext
\switchtobodyfont[iwona-light] $ \mathgreekitalic {\alpha} {\bf
\alpha} {\bi \alpha} {\char1D736} $ \par
\switchtobodyfont[iwona-light] $ \mathgreekupright {\alpha} {\bf
\alpha} {\bi \alpha} {\char1D736} $ \par
\switchtobodyfont[iwona]$ \mathgreekitalic {\alpha} {\bf
\alpha} {\bi \alpha} {\char1D736} $ \par
\switchtobodyfont[iwona]$ \mathgreekupright {\alpha} {\bf
\alpha} {\bi \alpha} {\char1D736} $ \par
\switchtobodyfont[iwona-medium] $ \mathgreekitalic {\alpha} {\bf
\alpha} {\bi \alpha} {\char1D736} $ \par
\switchtobodyfont[iwona-medium] $ \mathgreekupright {\alpha} {\bf
\alpha} {\bi \alpha} {\char1D736} $ \par
\switchtobodyfont[iwona-heavy] $ \mathgreekitalic {\alpha} {\bf
\alpha} {\bi \alpha} {\char1D736} $ \par
\switchtobodyfont[iwona-heavy] $ \mathgreekupright {\alpha} {\bf
\alpha} {\bi \alpha} {\char1D736} $ \par
\switchtobodyfont[cambria] $ \mathgreekitalic {\alpha} {\bf
\alpha} {\bi \alpha} {\char1D736} $ \par
\switchtobodyfont[cambria] $ \mathgreekupright {\alpha} {\bf
\alpha} {\bi \alpha} {\char1D736} $ \par
\stoptext
(needs checking by aditya)
- - Wouldn't this be exactly what I'm looking for?
I don't know
Hans
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Re: [NTG-context] Math and bold font: \definetypeface
Hello -
On Sun, 05 Dec 2010 22:48:47 +0100, Florian Wobbe florian.wo...@awi.de wrote:
On Dec 5, 2010, at 20:27 , Procházka Lukáš wrote:
\definetypeface [\typescriptone] [mm] [math] [cambria] [default]
just a placeholder, which comes in handy when you want to define multiple
entries at once:
OK, I understand.
\starttypescript [palatino,pagella]
\definetypeface [\typescriptone] [rm] [serif] [\typescriptone] [default]
\stoptypescript
is equivalent to:
\starttypescript [palatino]
\definetypeface [palatino] [rm] [serif] [palatino] [default]
\stoptypescript
\starttypescript [pagella]
\definetypeface [pagella] [rm] [serif] [pagella] [default]
\stoptypescript
Nice, I see.
see texmf-context/tex/context/base/type-otf.mkiv for lots of examples (BTW:
this is the place, where cambria is defined).
[mm] % OK, [re]define the 'mm' member of the font definition
bundle (= typeface)
[math] % Why this when I just specified math to be [re]defined by
'mm' one line above?
takes the fontsynonym from \starttypescript [math] [cambria] and not from
\starttypescript [cambria].
OK.
again have a look at http://wiki.contextgarden.net/TypeScripts and
texmf-context/tex/context/base/type-otf.mkiv. the examples are probably better
than an explanation.
Florian
To be honest, this is Greek to me (and I don't mean Greek letters ;-) ). I can
understand or estimate sometimes what a piece of code should do, but not
altogether.
E.g. \starttypescript uses various number of args - I can see
\starttypescript [fallback] as well as
\starttypescript [serif]
[modern,latin-modern,computer-modern,default] and
\starttypescript [serif] [modern,latin-modern,computer-modern,default]
[name],
sometimes coupled with default (keyword?) or name (placeholder?).
- So this all doesn't bring much light to my effort.
--
To get back to my problem:
The default Ctx bodyfont (CMR) is all right for me, I don't need to change it
(but it's possible, if it should simplify something).
I just need to redefine font(s) to be used for math and boldmath and which would allow to use Greek
normal and bold chars. (I hope I understand well that boldmath is a bit special problem
that requires nonstandard approach).
It's no problem to use any switch inside the math mode which would typeset bold
letters (including Greek ones) - it may be \bf, \bfm, \msym, \mathsym, \sy ...
- whatever.
It's also necessary NOT to type bold chars as special unicode symbols.
If I understand well, the default Ctx font - CMR - is used for typesetting
[bold]math as well. But the problem is that it fails when typesetting bold
Greek letters.
So that's why I'm thinking about AMS font(s), which should be contain normal
and bold letters, including Greek ones, symbols...
So the question is - how to get AMS fonts work in the Ctx document - or maybe:
how to replace the default math font by that of AMS.
What code - \typescript, \define???font??? - to use?
Just to make the code $Abc \alpha = {\aSwitchToBoldMath Abc \alpha} = or
\aCommandToTypeBoldMath{Abc \alpha}$ work.
NB: I'm still beginner with Ctx. I used to typeset [bold]math in LaTeX and some
things are done another way there --
Thank again for your patience.
Lukas
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Re: [NTG-context] Math and bold font
Hello - On Mon, 06 Dec 2010 11:11:34 +0100, Vladimir Lomov lomov...@gmail.com wrote: Suppose I want to use serif bold italic font for vectors and sans bold italic for tensors (this is recommendation of NIST, see sp811.pdf on nist.gov). Of course I could enter vectors and tensors as symbols from appropriate unicode slots but what if my publisher says me that vectors should be in sans bold and tensors in serif bold italic? Agree. So I define commands, like \vect and \tensor to markup what symbols are vectors and what are tensors. Yes. Returning to original question: I don't check but AFAIU one can define your own typescript and choose what fonts to be used in math mode (mm?). If current typescript (modern?, latin modern?) doesn't have bold greek letters for math one should define new typescript and use for mm (math) font which have bold greek letters. --- WBR, Vladimir Lomov Yes, that's what it'd gladly do; but my vision is too smoky. Lukas -- Ing. Lukáš Procházka [mailto:l...@pontex.cz] Pontex s. r. o. [mailto:pon...@pontex.cz] [http://www.pontex.cz] Bezová 1658 147 14 Praha 4 Tel: +420 244 062 238 Fax: +420 244 461 038 ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] Math and bold font
Hello,
thanks for the explanation -
On Sat, 04 Dec 2010 09:55:25 +0100, Hans Hagen pra...@wxs.nl wrote:
On 3-12-2010 5:00, Procházka Lukáš Ing. - Pontex s. r. o. wrote:
to get slanted chars, I have to call \it or \sl or \bi explicitly. OK, I
In fact in math these are not font switches, but switches to a different
alphabet. In traditional tex that normally is a font switch so one gets
the other bold or whatever shapes for free, given that they are in that
font (so it's a side effect of the way math alphabets are implemented),
but not so in open type math.
there is no default math font in mkiv: one uses regular math or bold
math (given that there are two font(set)s available which is seldom the
case) and within them gets bold or heavy alphabets (plus a few chars)
- So does it mean that the Vladimir's cambria case is exactly the seldom case
when regular and bold math are available, both defining Greek chars like \alpha as well?
\setupbodyfont[cambria]
\starttext
This is a test.
$a=\alpha$
$\bf a=\alpha$
$\bi a=\alpha$
\stoptext
Please, could you give more examples of normal and bold math fonts of the same
kin (to be used for normal and bold math), both having Greek letters as well?
- Vladimir showed cambria. Unfortunately, his solution changes the entire
document bodyfont (i.e. non-math font as well).
- What is the relationship to AMS fonts
(http://www.ams.org/publications/authors/tex/amsfonts)? Or how to make them
accessible in Ctx document? How to make them work?
- - On the site it's written: ... What is AMSFonts? ... *Subscript sizes of bold
math italic and bold Greek letters* ... Because these fonts are standard TeX fonts, they
may be used with any standard TeX system ...
- - Wouldn't this be exactly what I'm looking for?
Maybe \setupformulas[What to come here?] should do this? And what
\definetypeface[What arguments?] should precede?
best try to convert to the unicode math approach: bold a-z is different
unicode slots than a-z and in context the \bf command does that
transformation on ascii a-z (you can also key in the official unicode
chars); the benefit is that you can cut and paste the bold characters in
pdf files i.e. you retain that property; a bold b is not a bold one in
typographic sense but a special symbol that happens to use a bold
rendering; in for instance a section title, one can have all math bold,
and then this regular bold character will become real bold
Hans
I guess this approach won't be useful in my situation. I need to generate some
math by Lua. There is a function that should generate a context formulas with
mixed case and/or Greek letters, e.g.:
function t(var)
context($ .. var .. \\alpha = {\\bf .. -- Or something else instead of
bf
var \\alpha})
end
t(Abc)
So the variable name a priori cannot have information whether or not to be
printed with regular or bold math - this is up to the function 't()'.
---
Now I'm trying to understand This Way (11/2003, mag-0005.pdf) where the mixed case is investigated. Also
the co-fonts.pdf; but it seems to me that this document is a bit out-of-date and mfonts.pdf
should be used instead. And also Mojca's presentation from Brejlov, the some-thoughts-about-typescripts.pdf.
To be honest, I have a bit mess with fonts: I'm trying to deduce the
relationship between:
font script (text/script/scriptscript?),
font typescript (serif, sans-serif, math, mono, other?),
font size [marking] (xx/x/?/a/b/c/d/e; ?/xsmall/small/?/?...?, 5pt,
6pt... 40pt; ... at 6pt, ... at 20pt...; sixpoint,eightpoint,tenpoint... used in some
commands),
font weight (light? semilight? normal/semibold/bold/extrabold?),
font family,
font typeface
- When I look at the Figure 1 The current bodyfont environment in mfonts.pdf,
I see:
\showbodyfontenvironment % [lbr]
[lucida] [11.0pt]
text script scriptscript x xx small biginterlinespace
20.7pt 14.4pt 12pt 17.3pt 14.4pt 17.3pt 20.7pt not set
17.3pt 12.1pt 8.6pt13.8pt 10.3pt 13.8pt 20.7pt not set
...
So what's the relationship between text, script, scriptscript (and?) x, xx,
small and big?
Why size for the script on the first line is the same for xx, text as for big and
x the same as small?
Why doesn't work the same on the next lines as well?
- The abbreviations for [typefaces?]:
rm = ? RoMan? (means serif) (but also wrong Regular Math comes to
place)
ss = Sans Serif
tt = TeleType (but means Mono as well)
mm = Math what? MatheMatics? (used for typesetting inside $...$)
- When I call \definetypeface[whow][rm][serif][modern][computer-modern][encoding=ec] (mfonts.pdf, pg. 10),
why the arguments are rm and serif, although they mark (?) the same [script/shape]?
- - Why once modern and once computer-modern?
- When I call (mag-0005.pdf, pg. 4):
\definetypeface [mainface] [mm] [bfmath] [lucida] [default]
\definetypeface
Re: [NTG-context] Math and bold font
On Dec 5, 2010, at 14:58 , Procházka Lukáš wrote:
Hello,
thanks for the explanation -
On Sat, 04 Dec 2010 09:55:25 +0100, Hans Hagen pra...@wxs.nl wrote:
On 3-12-2010 5:00, Procházka Lukáš Ing. - Pontex s. r. o. wrote:
to get slanted chars, I have to call \it or \sl or \bi explicitly. OK, I
In fact in math these are not font switches, but switches to a different
alphabet. In traditional tex that normally is a font switch so one gets
the other bold or whatever shapes for free, given that they are in that
font (so it's a side effect of the way math alphabets are implemented),
but not so in open type math.
there is no default math font in mkiv: one uses regular math or bold
math (given that there are two font(set)s available which is seldom the
case) and within them gets bold or heavy alphabets (plus a few chars)
- So does it mean that the Vladimir's cambria case is exactly the seldom
case when regular and bold math are available, both defining Greek chars like
\alpha as well?
\setupbodyfont[cambria]
\starttext
This is a test.
$a=\alpha$
$\bf a=\alpha$
$\bi a=\alpha$
\stoptext
Please, could you give more examples of normal and bold math fonts of the
same kin (to be used for normal and bold math), both having Greek letters as
well?
Hi,
this does not work with cambria math:
$\bf a=\alpha$
$\bi a=\alpha$
You should get the unicode math set of cambria math this way:
bold math: $\fontchar{u1D41A}=\fontchar{u1D6C2}$
bold italic math: $\fontchar{u1D482}=\fontchar{u1D736}$
I wonder if there are shorthand macros for accessing the unicode math slots for
script, bold, sans, etc.
Really strange things happen though (see attachment):
% tested with all three:
%\setupbodyfont[cambria]
%\setupbodyfont[asana]
\setupbodyfont[xits]
\startTEXpage[offset=1ex]
This fails:
$a=\alpha$
$\fontchar{u1D41A}=\fontchar{u1D6C2}$
$\fontchar{u1D482}=\fontchar{u1D736}$
However, this is OK (unicode inserted directly): $퐚풂$
{\tfx
This is small but the math remains unscaled and displays questionmarks:
$a=\alpha$
$\fontchar{u1D41A}=\fontchar{u1D6C2}$
$\fontchar{u1D482}=\fontchar{u1D736}$
}
{\tfa
This is big and math font is also big and displays correctly:
$a=\alpha$
$\fontchar{u1D41A}=\fontchar{u1D6C2}$
$\fontchar{u1D482}=\fontchar{u1D736}$
}
{\tfa\tfx
This is normal (\type{\tfa\tfx}!) but the math remains big and displays ok:
$a=\alpha$
$\fontchar{u1D41A}=\fontchar{u1D6C2}$
$\fontchar{u1D482}=\fontchar{u1D736}$
}
\stopTEXpage
- Vladimir showed cambria. Unfortunately, his solution changes the entire
document bodyfont (i.e. non-math font as well).
You could of cause create your own font (e.g. pagella with cambria math):
\starttypescript [pagella]
\definetypeface [\typescriptone] [mm] [math] [cambria] [default]
\stoptypescript
\setupbodyfont[pagella]
Florian
unicode-math-xits.pdf
Description: Adobe PDF document
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Re: [NTG-context] Math and bold font: \definetypeface
Hello - On Sun, 05 Dec 2010 18:34:34 +0100, Florian Wobbe florian.wo...@awi.de wrote: \definetypeface [\typescriptone] [mm] [math] [cambria] [default] - I don't know what the meaning of individual parameters is: \definetypeface [\typescriptone] % What actually the \typescriptone does? What are other options? [mm] % OK, [re]define the 'mm' member of the font definition bundle (= typeface) [math] % Why this when I just specified math to be [re]defined by 'mm' one line above? [cambria]% OK, use 'cambria' font for math [default]% OK, keep defaults Would you kindly explain? Friendly regards, Lukas ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] Math and bold font: \definetypeface
On Dec 5, 2010, at 20:27 , Procházka Lukáš wrote: Hello - On Sun, 05 Dec 2010 18:34:34 +0100, Florian Wobbe florian.wo...@awi.de wrote: \definetypeface [\typescriptone] [mm] [math] [cambria] [default] - I don't know what the meaning of individual parameters is: \definetypeface [\typescriptone] % What actually the \typescriptone does? What are other options? just a placeholder, which comes in handy when you want to define multiple entries at once: \starttypescript [palatino,pagella] \definetypeface [\typescriptone] [rm] [serif] [\typescriptone] [default] \stoptypescript is equivalent to: \starttypescript [palatino] \definetypeface [palatino] [rm] [serif] [palatino] [default] \stoptypescript \starttypescript [pagella] \definetypeface [pagella] [rm] [serif] [pagella] [default] \stoptypescript see texmf-context/tex/context/base/type-otf.mkiv for lots of examples (BTW: this is the place, where cambria is defined). [mm] % OK, [re]define the 'mm' member of the font definition bundle (= typeface) [math] % Why this when I just specified math to be [re]defined by 'mm' one line above? takes the fontsynonym from \starttypescript [math] [cambria] and not from \starttypescript [cambria]. again have a look at http://wiki.contextgarden.net/TypeScripts and texmf-context/tex/context/base/type-otf.mkiv. the examples are probably better than an explanation. Florian ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] Math and bold font
On 3-12-2010 5:00, Procházka Lukáš Ing. - Pontex s. r. o. wrote: Hello, thanks for the example. I can see that: - In another font(s) (at least in cambria in your example) bold Greek chars are OK. - \bf in math mode causes chars to become vertical, i.e. when I want to get slanted chars, I have to call \it or \sl or \bi explicitly. OK, I thought that the slantedness is kept by default when switching to bold in math mode, but no problem to switch to slanted/italics font manually. In fact in math these are not font switches, but switches to a different alphabet. In traditional tex that normally is afont switch so one gets the other bold or whatever shapes for free, given that they are in that font (so it's a side effect of the way math alphabets are implemented), but not so in open type math. - But I still have no idea how to restore Greek chars when using the *default* bold math font (i.e. when not using \setupbodyfont[another-font]. Or do I have to \setup???font[???] explicitly when I want to use Greek bold chars as well? there is no default math font in mkiv: one uses regular math or bold math (given that there are two font(set)s available which is seldom the case) and within them gets bold or heavy alphabets (plus a few chars) IMHO (I'm not expert in context) this depends on used fonts. See for example follwoing: example file=ex1.tex \setupbodyfont[cambria] \starttext This is a test. $a=\alpha$ $\bf a=\alpha$ $\bi a=\alpha$ \stoptext /example BTW, I not sure if I use correct way to switch fonts in math mode (in LaTeX commands to switch fonts are different in text and math mode, and I have big LaTex background, so for me this way is unusual :). best try to convert to the unicode math approach: bold a-z is different unicode slots than a-z and in context the \bf command does that transformation on ascii a-z (you can also key in the official unicode chars); the benefit is that you can cut and paste the bold characters in pdf files i.e. you retain that property; a bold b is not a bold one in typographic sense but a special symbol that happens to use a bold rendering; in for instance a section title, one can have all math bold, and then this regular bold character will become real bold Hans - Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | voip: 087 875 68 74 | www.pragma-ade.com | www.pragma-pod.nl - ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] Math and bold font
Hi.
** Procházka Lukáš Ing. - Pontex s. r. o. [2010-12-03 08:51:41 +0100]:
Hello all,
I'd to explain some effects in the .pdf from the code bellow. It was copied
from co-font.pdf, pg. 19-20; just Abc was added to try something.
---
\enableregime[cp1250]
\starttext
$Abc\sqrt{625}=5\alpha$
$\bf Abc\sqrt{625}=5\alpha$
$Abc\sqrt{625}=\bf5\alpha$
$\bfmath Abc\sqrt{625}=5\alpha$
\definetypeface[whow][mm][math,boldmath][modern][default]%[encoding=texnansi]
[]
$Abc\sqrt{625}=5\alpha$
$\bf Abc\sqrt{625}=5\alpha$
$Abc\sqrt{625}=\bf5\alpha$
$\bfmath Abc\sqrt{625}=5\alpha$
\usetypescriptfile[typeface]
$Abc\sqrt{625}=5\alpha$
$\bf Abc\sqrt{625}=5\alpha$
$Abc\sqrt{625}=\bf5\alpha$
$\bfmath Abc\sqrt{625}=5\alpha$
\stoptext
---
Things I cannot do or understand:
- The alpha symbol is not printed as soon as it's used in \bf or \bfmath
mode (lines 2-4 in each paragraph). Why? How to make it appear?
- - The same effect may be observed in the co-fonts.pdf at the pg. 19 at the
lowest line - there is bold font working, but alpha is missing as well.
- - - Unfortunately, there is no fully working example in the document with
bold math and alpha together.
- In my example, normal (thin) Abc is shown a bit slanted (as should be in
math mode). Once it is used in bold math mode, it's no more slanted but
vertical as normal text. Is there a way how to keep the slantedness even
in math bold mode? (This is e.g. often used to mark vectors.)
IMHO (I'm not expert in context) this depends on used fonts. See for
example follwoing:
example file=ex1.tex
\setupbodyfont[cambria]
\starttext
This is a test.
$a=\alpha$
$\bf a=\alpha$
$\bi a=\alpha$
\stoptext
/example
BTW, I not sure if I use correct way to switch fonts in math mode (in
LaTeX commands to switch fonts are different in text and math mode, and
I have big LaTex background, so for me this way is unusual :).
P.S. My example works with mkiv but not with mkii. The last uses
default fonts that don't have bold variant for greek letters (I could
be wrong here, for LaTeX I have to redefine commands for greek letters
because there is appropriate font but greek letters are defined in a
way so nobody could use bold variant by default).
---
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Re: [NTG-context] Math and bold font
Hello, thanks for the example. I can see that: - In another font(s) (at least in cambria in your example) bold Greek chars are OK. - \bf in math mode causes chars to become vertical, i.e. when I want to get slanted chars, I have to call \it or \sl or \bi explicitly. OK, I thought that the slantedness is kept by default when switching to bold in math mode, but no problem to switch to slanted/italics font manually. - But I still have no idea how to restore Greek chars when using the *default* bold math font (i.e. when not using \setupbodyfont[another-font]. Or do I have to \setup???font[???] explicitly when I want to use Greek bold chars as well? IMHO (I'm not expert in context) this depends on used fonts. See for example follwoing: example file=ex1.tex \setupbodyfont[cambria] \starttext This is a test. $a=\alpha$ $\bf a=\alpha$ $\bi a=\alpha$ \stoptext /example BTW, I not sure if I use correct way to switch fonts in math mode (in LaTeX commands to switch fonts are different in text and math mode, and I have big LaTex background, so for me this way is unusual :). NB: I used to work with LaTeX as well - I'm still time-to-time solving basic things (like that above) in ConTeXt. Best regards, Lukas P.S. My example works with mkiv but not with mkii. The last uses default fonts that don't have bold variant for greek letters (I could be wrong here, for LaTeX I have to redefine commands for greek letters because there is appropriate font but greek letters are defined in a way so nobody could use bold variant by default). --- WBR, Vladimir Lomov -- Ing. Lukáš Procházka [mailto:l...@pontex.cz] Pontex s. r. o. [mailto:pon...@pontex.cz] [http://www.pontex.cz] Bezová 1658 147 14 Praha 4 Tel: +420 244 062 238 Fax: +420 244 461 038 ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
[NTG-context] Math and bold font
Hello all,
I'd to explain some effects in the .pdf from the code bellow. It was copied from
co-font.pdf, pg. 19-20; just Abc was added to try something.
---
\enableregime[cp1250]
\starttext
$Abc\sqrt{625}=5\alpha$
$\bf Abc\sqrt{625}=5\alpha$
$Abc\sqrt{625}=\bf5\alpha$
$\bfmath Abc\sqrt{625}=5\alpha$
\definetypeface[whow][mm][math,boldmath][modern][default]%[encoding=texnansi]
[]
$Abc\sqrt{625}=5\alpha$
$\bf Abc\sqrt{625}=5\alpha$
$Abc\sqrt{625}=\bf5\alpha$
$\bfmath Abc\sqrt{625}=5\alpha$
\usetypescriptfile[typeface]
$Abc\sqrt{625}=5\alpha$
$\bf Abc\sqrt{625}=5\alpha$
$Abc\sqrt{625}=\bf5\alpha$
$\bfmath Abc\sqrt{625}=5\alpha$
\stoptext
---
Things I cannot do or understand:
- The alpha symbol is not printed as soon as it's used in \bf or \bfmath mode
(lines 2-4 in each paragraph). Why? How to make it appear?
- - The same effect may be observed in the co-fonts.pdf at the pg. 19 at the lowest line
- there is bold font working, but alpha is missing as well.
- - - Unfortunately, there is no fully working example in the document with bold math and
alpha together.
- In my example, normal (thin) Abc is shown a bit slanted (as should be in math mode). Once it is
used in bold math mode, it's no more slanted but vertical as normal text. Is there a way how to
keep the slantedness even in math bold mode? (This is e.g. often used to mark vectors.)
Kind regards,
Lukas
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