Re: [NTG-context] Re: LucidaBright fonts...I'm stumped

2005-12-04 Thread Hans Hagen

Henk Koster wrote:


Hans, you said that you posted an updated version of cont-fnt.zip, but all
I could find was the 1-12-2005 version without texnansi fmt-files (only
the ec ones). Anyway, I have enough information now to apply the LB fonts
if I choose to do so. Again, many thanks for the response.
 


ah, a mess up, i'll repair that

Hans
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[NTG-context] Re: LucidaBright fonts...I'm stumped

2005-12-02 Thread Henk Koster
As a follow-up to my earlier message...

I don't understand why ConTeXt cannot use the LB .afm/.pfb/.tfm files that
are already present (for the texnansi encoding) in my LaTeX setup. Why
does texfont need to duplicate all these files? Does ConTeXt not use the
directory path search of teTeX? 

It seems to me that, in my case, texfonts only needs to generate files
that are peculiar to ConTeXt, like texnansi-yandy-lucida.tex and
.map, and further use the .afm, .pfb and .tfm files that are already
present -- is there a way to do that?  

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Behavioral axioms are right, but agents make mistakes...
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Re: [NTG-context] Re: LucidaBright fonts...I'm stumped

2005-12-02 Thread Hans Hagen

Henk Koster wrote:


As a follow-up to my earlier message...

I don't understand why ConTeXt cannot use the LB .afm/.pfb/.tfm files that
are already present (for the texnansi encoding) in my LaTeX setup. Why
does texfont need to duplicate all these files? Does ConTeXt not use the
directory path search of teTeX? 
 

we are using lb fonts for many year snow, and i'm not going to change my 
setups -)


also, in the past texnansi metrics were not shipped consistently with 
tex distributions; i've been bitten by this a few times


keep in mind that most of those metrics originate in the latex world, so 
when something changes, the authors probably also patch the latex part 
of it; i'm out of that loop so i want to play safe;



It seems to me that, in my case, texfonts only needs to generate files
that are peculiar to ConTeXt, like texnansi-yandy-lucida.tex and
 


that' sjust a text file


.map, and further use the .afm, .pfb and .tfm files that are already
 


indeed we have such map files because

(1) we needed them
(2) we want non conflicting specs
(3) we only want to load what is needed (older pdftex versions are slow 
on big files)
(4) in future releaes the map files will go away, and we will use 
mapline specs at runtime)
(5) in case you wonder about updmap: it was not present when texfont 
came around, and is limited in its options
(6) i want context to be able to work with the tons of commercial fonts 
out there (tex distributions only support a neglectable fraction of 
commercial fonts)


as it happens, lucida is known to tex  people and therefore has support, 
but that's not true for many other fonts


present -- is there a way to do that?  

 

sure, just map those long names to the ones you want, so, make a list of 
mappings


  grep berry type-*.tex

will show you how. We can make a [berry][lucida][texnansi] typescript 
which can be used for those who want (in that case you also need to 
provide a proper map file for only the lucida fonts)


so .. no problem in adding that support, but others have to do the work -)

Hans

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[NTG-context] Re: LucidaBright fonts...I'm stumped

2005-12-02 Thread Henk Koster
On Fri, 02 Dec 2005 16:34:07 +0100, Hans Hagen wrote:

 i'm wondering ... do the lucida font nowadays ship with the math 
 specific tfm files (that used to be the case)
 
 Hans

Well, my copy of the LB (and LB Expert) fonts dates from 1993 (on
floppies), although YY sent me a free update with the Euro glyphs a few
years ago. Yes, they came with all sorts of tfm-files and even tft-files
(huh?), and also pfa-files (that I've long since converted to pfb-files). 

I'm grateful for all the responses that I've been getting. I hope that I
don't offend people by saying that I don't like the steep learning curve
required to get the LB fonts ready for use in ConTeXt documents;
especially not since the newly acquired knowledge becomes useless to me
the moment it has been succesfully applied... That would be the third time
since doing my dissertation in the original TeX, further work in LaTeX,
and now possibly in ConTeXt.
 
Hans, you said that you posted an updated version of cont-fnt.zip, but all
I could find was the 1-12-2005 version without texnansi fmt-files (only
the ec ones). Anyway, I have enough information now to apply the LB fonts
if I choose to do so. Again, many thanks for the response.

Henk Koster

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H.A.J. Koster
Behavioral axioms are right, but agents make mistakes...
(attributed to L.J. Savage)



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