Re: [NTG-context] git mirror [was: Re: Sourcemirror at gitorious is closing down, where to find it then?]

[Hans Hagen]

On 6/10/2015 12:07 AM, Philipp Gesang wrote:

Hey guys,

sorry for the late reply, this kind of got buried in my inbox so
only now I noticed the thread on the ML archives. Nevertheless:

·


On 3/10/2015 5:39 PM, Mojca Miklavec wrote:

On Tue, Mar 10, 2015 at 4:56 PM, Norbert Melzer wrote:
- BitBucket used to be hg-only. I see no reason not to have a mirror
there as well (but I don't see any particular need for yet another
mirror either). If there are enough people who think that having yet
another mirror on BitBucket as well would be useful for whatever
reason, let me know.


indeed, a volunteer using that could also keep it up to date


My Git mirror on Bitbucket still keeps the repo in sync:

   https://bitbucket.org/phg/context-mirror/

Originally based on the Gitorious repo, it has been tracking
Context development for a year or so by now. As a feature over
Marius’s approach it keeps the beta and current in separate
branches and will also pull from the Garden just in case:

   https://bitbucket.org/phg/context-mirror/branches

I’ve been relying on the mirror as my primary source for change
notifications and diffs of the Context source for some time now.


thanks. i could pull it the github windows client (the web interfaces 
cannot handle the large diffs)


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[NTG-context] git mirror [was: Re: Sourcemirror at gitorious is closing down, where to find it then?]

[Philipp Gesang]

Hey guys,

sorry for the late reply, this kind of got buried in my inbox so
only now I noticed the thread on the ML archives. Nevertheless:

·

> On 3/10/2015 5:39 PM, Mojca Miklavec wrote:
> > On Tue, Mar 10, 2015 at 4:56 PM, Norbert Melzer wrote:
> > - BitBucket used to be hg-only. I see no reason not to have a mirror
> > there as well (but I don't see any particular need for yet another
> > mirror either). If there are enough people who think that having yet
> > another mirror on BitBucket as well would be useful for whatever
> > reason, let me know.
> 
> indeed, a volunteer using that could also keep it up to date

My Git mirror on Bitbucket still keeps the repo in sync:

  https://bitbucket.org/phg/context-mirror/

Originally based on the Gitorious repo, it has been tracking
Context development for a year or so by now. As a feature over
Marius’s approach it keeps the beta and current in separate
branches and will also pull from the Garden just in case:

  https://bitbucket.org/phg/context-mirror/branches

I’ve been relying on the mirror as my primary source for change
notifications and diffs of the Context source for some time now.

For those interested in setting up a mirror themselves I can
provide the source of the bot. There’s some docs but I took some
shortcuts like hard-coding paths and SSH stuff so it might take
a little effort to get it up to full speed. OTOH doesn’t appear
to be unreliable and should continue working as long as the
Pragma website can be scraped in the same fashion ;)

Best,
Philipp



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Re: [NTG-context] git

[Philipp Gesang]

·

> On Sun, Apr 27, 2014 at 10:57 AM, Philipp Gesang wrote:
> >
> > Though I can’t seem to clone the main
> > repo:
> >
> > [10:48:37=>phg@acheron=> ~/src/context-dev] git clone 
> > http://git.contextgarden.net/context/context.git context-git-garden
> > Cloning into 'context-git-garden'...
> > remote: Counting objects: 55441, done.
> > remote: Compressing objects: 100% (10041/10041), done.
> > error: RPC failed; result=18, HTTP code = 200MiB | 1.10 MiB/s
> > fatal: The remote end hung up unexpectedly
> > fatal: early EOF
> > fatal: index-pack failed
> >
> > Same for the repo imported from gitorious. Maybe some rate limit
> > is interfering?
> 
> Weird, it works for me.

I get the same error on my freebsd box as well. To make sure it’s
not an out-of-memory situation I also cloned the Linux repo (1.1
GB) -- successfully. So I’m not convinced that it’s caused by a
misconfiguration on my side. If it helps, I’m using git versions
1.9.2 and 1.9.0. Attached is the captured output of the git
session with GIT_CURL_VERBOSE=1.

Philipp

Cloning into 'context-git-garden'...
* Couldn't find host git.contextgarden.net in the .netrc file; using defaults
* Hostname was NOT found in DNS cache
*   Trying 193.2.4.200...
* Connected to git.contextgarden.net (193.2.4.200) port 80 (#0)
> GET /context/context.git/info/refs?service=git-upload-pack HTTP/1.1
User-Agent: git/1.9.2
Host: git.contextgarden.net
Accept: */*
Accept-Encoding: gzip
Pragma: no-cache

< HTTP/1.1 200 OK
< Date: Sun, 27 Apr 2014 11:56:14 GMT
* Server Apache is not blacklisted
< Server: Apache
< Status: 200 OK
< Content-Type: application/x-git-upload-pack-advertisement
< Expires: Tue, 01 Jan 1980 00:00:00 GMT
< Pragma: no-cache
< Cache-Control: no-cache, max-age=0, must-revalidate
< Content-Length: 310
< X-Request-Id: 8f7c40a4-7704-4df0-843b-21d9e3b79ca9
< X-Runtime: 0.019148
< 
* Connection #0 to host git.contextgarden.net left intact
* Couldn't find host git.contextgarden.net in the .netrc file; using defaults
* Hostname was NOT found in DNS cache
*   Trying 193.2.4.200...
* Connected to git.contextgarden.net (193.2.4.200) port 80 (#1)
> POST /context/context.git/git-upload-pack HTTP/1.1
User-Agent: git/1.9.2
Host: git.contextgarden.net
Accept-Encoding: gzip
Content-Type: application/x-git-upload-pack-request
Accept: application/x-git-upload-pack-result
Content-Length: 202

* upload completely sent off: 202 out of 202 bytes
< HTTP/1.1 200 OK
< Date: Sun, 27 Apr 2014 11:56:14 GMT
* Server Apache is not blacklisted
< Server: Apache
< Status: 200 OK
< Content-Type: application/x-git-upload-pack-result
< Cache-Control: no-cache
< X-Request-Id: 1251ceab-4838-4823-bd98-4c466ff19e81
< X-Runtime: 0.005837
< Transfer-Encoding: chunked
< 
* transfer closed with outstanding read data remaining
* Closing connection 1
error: RPC failed; result=18, HTTP code = 200
fatal: The remote end hung up unexpectedly
fatal: early EOF
fatal: index-pack failed


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Re: [NTG-context] git

[Mojca Miklavec]

On Sun, Apr 27, 2014 at 10:57 AM, Philipp Gesang wrote:
>
> Though I can’t seem to clone the main
> repo:
>
> [10:48:37=>phg@acheron=> ~/src/context-dev] git clone 
> http://git.contextgarden.net/context/context.git context-git-garden
> Cloning into 'context-git-garden'...
> remote: Counting objects: 55441, done.
> remote: Compressing objects: 100% (10041/10041), done.
> error: RPC failed; result=18, HTTP code = 200MiB | 1.10 MiB/s
> fatal: The remote end hung up unexpectedly
> fatal: early EOF
> fatal: index-pack failed
>
> Same for the repo imported from gitorious. Maybe some rate limit
> is interfering?

Weird, it works for me.

Does the following ring any bell to anyone or does anyone know
how/where to look for further clues?

[proxy_http:error] (70008)Partial results are valid but processing is
incomplete: [client xxx] AH01110: error reading response

(We recently had weird problems with subversion 1.8 which turned out
to be an old and ignored bug in cisco's firmware.)

Mojca
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Re: [NTG-context] git

[Philipp Gesang]

·

> On Sun, Apr 27, 2014 at 10:23 AM, Philipp Gesang wrote:
> > ·
> >
> >> On 4/26/2014 12:02 PM, Philipp Gesang wrote:
> >> > Hi all,
> >> >
> >> > Marius’ git mirror is not going to be kept in sync anymore. From
> >> > his answer:
> >> >
> >> >Because of security issues I disconnected the server there
> >> >git script was running from the internet and have no plans
> >> >to restore it.
> >> >
> >> > Which I think is quite a loss because it made working with the
> >> > beta *much* easier. Would it be possible to put up something
> >> > similar on the garden? Maybe Hans is already using git and forgot
> >> > to tell everybody ;) ?
> >> >
> >> > If someone has a permanently online machine to spare maybe they
> >> > could set up a cronjob for Marius’s script:
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > https://gitorious.org/context/context/source/d493b9c93ad826044bd17889da2ee099c8ed72d5:context_git_update.pl
> >> >
> >> > Any thoughts?
> >>
> >> Mojca already has that running on the garden for a while.
> 
> Indeed, that was supposed to be an Easter egg.
> (But mostly because it still needs contents and user accounts and ...
> Also the scripts aren't completely reliably working yet.)

The idea is great nonetheless!

> > Out of curiosity I pointed my browser to git.contextgarden.net
> > but all I got was some login form :(
> 
> If you came that far, you should have also noticed the link "public projects".

Ha, I did not. Thanks. Though I can’t seem to clone the main
repo:

[10:48:37=>phg@acheron=> ~/src/context-dev] git clone 
http://git.contextgarden.net/context/context.git context-git-garden
Cloning into 'context-git-garden'...
remote: Counting objects: 55441, done.
remote: Compressing objects: 100% (10041/10041), done.
error: RPC failed; result=18, HTTP code = 200MiB | 1.10 MiB/s 
fatal: The remote end hung up unexpectedly
fatal: early EOF
fatal: index-pack failed

Same for the repo imported from gitorious. Maybe some rate limit
is interfering?

Philipp



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Re: [NTG-context] git

[Mojca Miklavec]

On Sun, Apr 27, 2014 at 10:23 AM, Philipp Gesang wrote:
> ·
>
>> On 4/26/2014 12:02 PM, Philipp Gesang wrote:
>> > Hi all,
>> >
>> > Marius’ git mirror is not going to be kept in sync anymore. From
>> > his answer:
>> >
>> >Because of security issues I disconnected the server there
>> >git script was running from the internet and have no plans
>> >to restore it.
>> >
>> > Which I think is quite a loss because it made working with the
>> > beta *much* easier. Would it be possible to put up something
>> > similar on the garden? Maybe Hans is already using git and forgot
>> > to tell everybody ;) ?
>> >
>> > If someone has a permanently online machine to spare maybe they
>> > could set up a cronjob for Marius’s script:
>> >
>> >
>> > https://gitorious.org/context/context/source/d493b9c93ad826044bd17889da2ee099c8ed72d5:context_git_update.pl
>> >
>> > Any thoughts?
>>
>> Mojca already has that running on the garden for a while.

Indeed, that was supposed to be an Easter egg.
(But mostly because it still needs contents and user accounts and ...
Also the scripts aren't completely reliably working yet.)

> Out of curiosity I pointed my browser to git.contextgarden.net
> but all I got was some login form :(

If you came that far, you should have also noticed the link "public projects".

Mojca
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Re: [NTG-context] git

[Philipp Gesang]

·

> On 4/26/2014 12:02 PM, Philipp Gesang wrote:
> > Hi all,
> >
> > Marius’ git mirror is not going to be kept in sync anymore. From
> > his answer:
> >
> >Because of security issues I disconnected the server there
> >git script was running from the internet and have no plans
> >to restore it.
> >
> > Which I think is quite a loss because it made working with the
> > beta *much* easier. Would it be possible to put up something
> > similar on the garden? Maybe Hans is already using git and forgot
> > to tell everybody ;) ?
> >
> > If someone has a permanently online machine to spare maybe they
> > could set up a cronjob for Marius’s script:
> >
> >
> > https://gitorious.org/context/context/source/d493b9c93ad826044bd17889da2ee099c8ed72d5:context_git_update.pl
> >
> > Any thoughts?
> 
> Mojca already has that running on the garden for a while.

Is there a web interface somewhere? The source links on the wiki
still point to the outdated mirrors that were based on Marius’
bot. E.g.

http://wiki.contextgarden.net/Main_Page#Development
http://wiki.contextgarden.net/ConTeXt_wiki:Editing#Linking_to_source_files

Out of curiosity I pointed my browser to git.contextgarden.net
but all I got was some login form :(

Philipp



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Re: [NTG-context] git

[Hans Hagen]

On 4/26/2014 12:02 PM, Philipp Gesang wrote:

Hi all,

Marius’ git mirror is not going to be kept in sync anymore. From
his answer:

   Because of security issues I disconnected the server there
   git script was running from the internet and have no plans
   to restore it.

Which I think is quite a loss because it made working with the
beta *much* easier. Would it be possible to put up something
similar on the garden? Maybe Hans is already using git and forgot
to tell everybody ;) ?

If someone has a permanently online machine to spare maybe they
could set up a cronjob for Marius’s script:

   
https://gitorious.org/context/context/source/d493b9c93ad826044bd17889da2ee099c8ed72d5:context_git_update.pl

Any thoughts?


Mojca already has that running on the garden for a while.

Hans

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Re: [NTG-context] git

[Arthur Reutenauer]

> If someone has a permanently online machine to spare maybe they
> could set up a cronjob for Marius’s script:
> 
>   
> https://gitorious.org/context/context/source/d493b9c93ad826044bd17889da2ee099c8ed72d5:context_git_update.pl

  I could possibly do that; will look into it.

Best,

Arthur
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Re: [NTG-context] git

[Philipp Gesang]

Hi all,

Marius’ git mirror is not going to be kept in sync anymore. From
his answer:

  Because of security issues I disconnected the server there
  git script was running from the internet and have no plans
  to restore it.

Which I think is quite a loss because it made working with the
beta *much* easier. Would it be possible to put up something
similar on the garden? Maybe Hans is already using git and forgot
to tell everybody ;) ?

If someone has a permanently online machine to spare maybe they
could set up a cronjob for Marius’s script:

  
https://gitorious.org/context/context/source/d493b9c93ad826044bd17889da2ee099c8ed72d5:context_git_update.pl

Any thoughts?
Philipp


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> 
> Is Marius git repos still kept up to date?
> 
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[NTG-context] git

[Hans Hagen]

Hi,

Is Marius git repos still kept up to date?

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Re: [NTG-context] git or svn

[Mica Semrick]

Maybe we can have the best of both: https://gist.github.com/ticean/1556967 ?


On Fri, Sep 27, 2013 at 7:27 AM, Hans Hagen  wrote:

> On 9/27/2013 3:26 PM, Marcin Borkowski wrote:
>
>  Also, if this matters, Git has an excellent Emacs front-end, Magit.  I
>> don't know whether SVN has something similar.
>>
>
> github has a nice windows backend but (as with more open source
> developments) the real nice stuff is closed ... i tried several times but
> never could install easily some git server infrastructure similar to github
> on a (linux) server so at our company we stay with svn (but i keep copies
> of the context-on-github on my machine, but only for viewing)
>
> Hans
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Re: [NTG-context] git or svn

[Hans Hagen]

On 9/27/2013 3:26 PM, Marcin Borkowski wrote:


Also, if this matters, Git has an excellent Emacs front-end, Magit.  I
don't know whether SVN has something similar.


github has a nice windows backend but (as with more open source 
developments) the real nice stuff is closed ... i tried several times 
but never could install easily some git server infrastructure similar to 
github on a (linux) server so at our company we stay with svn (but i 
keep copies of the context-on-github on my machine, but only for viewing)


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Re: [NTG-context] git or svn

[Peter Münster]

On Fri, Sep 27 2013, Marcin Borkowski wrote:

> However, it seems that nowadays, for a *new* user, learning to use SVN
> is pointless

For our use case (enhancing the documentation) that's a nonissue:
git or svn, there is nothing to learn, just pull, edit, commit.
3 lines on the project web page will show you what to do.

Of course, if you choose a complicated workflow (maintaining several
branches, test and validation cycles, commit signatures, and so on),
then git would be a good choice, and yes, then you'll have to learn it.
But please don't spend more time with the DVCS than with the improvement
of the manual... ;)

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Re: [NTG-context] git or svn

[Marcin Borkowski]

Dnia 2013-09-27, o godz. 09:10:04
Lars Huttar  napisał(a):

> On 9/26/2013 9:10 PM, Aditya Mahajan wrote:
> > Github seems to be the most popular DVCS hosting site at the moment.
> > For manuals, I think that Github is particularly useful because you
> > can click on edit and make the change. Github automatically creates
> > a fork, a new branch, and pull request for you. So the technical
> > barrier to participation is low.
> 
> I would question the perception that the technical barrier to
> participation on Github is low. Not long ago I tried to submit a patch
> to a project on Github, improving documentation and adding features.
> It took several hours (distributed over a couple of weeks) to learn
> how to do all that was required. It was *not* automatic. It strongly
> discouraged me from making more contributions to that project.
> 
> Maybe some major things have changed on Github since then. In any
> case, I have no doubt that once you know the system, and have the
> infrastructure set up, it's easy to participate. And I'm not saying
> that SVN makes it easy for non-SVN users to participate. All I'm
> saying is that for non-Git users, the technical barrier to
> participation was substantial, last time I tried it.
> 
> Again, I'm not arguing against a move to Git. I would just like to
> contribute my recent experience toward a well-informed decision
> process.

Just my 3 cents.

I am not a heavy Git user (though I am quite accustomed to Mercurial
instead), and I agree that the entry point for Git is not very low.
However, it seems that nowadays, for a *new* user, learning to use SVN
is pointless (unless he joins a project where SVN is used etc.):
distributed VCSs seem to be just much better (and I heard that SVN has
its own problems, too).  So I would perceive this question as touching
a demography issue: younger people are more likely to know/use Git (and
not know SVN), older folk might know/use SVN.

Also, if this matters, Git has an excellent Emacs front-end, Magit.  I
don't know whether SVN has something similar.

> Lars

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Re: [NTG-context] git or svn

[Lars Huttar]

On 9/26/2013 9:10 PM, Aditya Mahajan wrote:
> Github seems to be the most popular DVCS hosting site at the moment.
> For manuals, I think that Github is particularly useful because you
> can click on edit and make the change. Github automatically creates a
> fork, a new branch, and pull request for you. So the technical barrier
> to participation is low.

I would question the perception that the technical barrier to
participation on Github is low. Not long ago I tried to submit a patch
to a project on Github, improving documentation and adding features. It
took several hours (distributed over a couple of weeks) to learn how to
do all that was required. It was *not* automatic. It strongly
discouraged me from making more contributions to that project.

Maybe some major things have changed on Github since then. In any case,
I have no doubt that once you know the system, and have the
infrastructure set up, it's easy to participate. And I'm not saying that
SVN makes it easy for non-SVN users to participate. All I'm saying is
that for non-Git users, the technical barrier to participation was
substantial, last time I tried it.

Again, I'm not arguing against a move to Git. I would just like to
contribute my recent experience toward a well-informed decision process.

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Re: [NTG-context] git or svn

[Lars Huttar]

On 9/27/2013 3:38 AM, Taco Hoekwater wrote:
> On Sep 27, 2013, at 9:01 AM, Peter Münster  wrote:
>
>> On Fri, Sep 27 2013, Aditya Mahajan wrote:
>>
>>> The last time I tried, merging multiple version in svn is a huge pain. One 
>>> of
>>> the advantages of DVCS is that branching and merging are easy.
>> I understand. Please go ahead if you need git. My preference for svn is
>> just my personal opinion, coming from my personal experience: people
>> wanted to change a well running system, using the latest and greatest
>> tools. In the end, after quite some efforts, there was no benefit, it
>> was just a bit more complicated.
> +1 from me: I have exactly the same experience personally.
>

I'm with Taco and Peter on this one. SVN is part of my everyday
workflow; Git requires a lot more reading and fumbling. However I know
the need to be fluent with Git is becoming more and more prevalent, and
for many people it's already the easiest thing. So I wouldn't argue
against moving to Git. I'm just reporting my preference.

BTW I committed several changes to the manual yesterday, and plan to do
a fair bit more in the coming week or two. I would appreciate if someone
knowledgeable could check and make sure that I haven't said things that
are misleading or incorrect.

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Re: [NTG-context] git or svn

[Taco Hoekwater]

On Sep 27, 2013, at 9:01 AM, Peter Münster  wrote:

> On Fri, Sep 27 2013, Aditya Mahajan wrote:
> 
>> The last time I tried, merging multiple version in svn is a huge pain. One of
>> the advantages of DVCS is that branching and merging are easy.
> 
> I understand. Please go ahead if you need git. My preference for svn is
> just my personal opinion, coming from my personal experience: people
> wanted to change a well running system, using the latest and greatest
> tools. In the end, after quite some efforts, there was no benefit, it
> was just a bit more complicated.

+1 from me: I have exactly the same experience personally.

> I'm just lucky doing my 3 svn-commits per year, and with git I would
> do git-commits.


+1 again.

The manual is on supelec because that is where the metapost and luatex
repositories are, and it is a subversion repo because when the project
was first added, the software system on supelec did not understand git.

The current version of Forge does support git repos, but I never switched 
since (as I wrote above) I have a small personal preference for 
subversion. So it would be possible to have a git on supelec; for that 
reason there is no need to switch to github. There may be a small
advantage to staying with supelec  as then the main project URL does not 
have to change.

OTOH, supelec's email stuff breaks easily and somewhat often.

Best wishes,
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Re: [NTG-context] git or svn

[Peter Münster]

On Fri, Sep 27 2013, Aditya Mahajan wrote:

> The last time I tried, merging multiple version in svn is a huge pain. One of
> the advantages of DVCS is that branching and merging are easy.

I understand. Please go ahead if you need git. My preference for svn is
just my personal opinion, coming from my personal experience: people
wanted to change a well running system, using the latest and greatest
tools. In the end, after quite some efforts, there was no benefit, it
was just a bit more complicated.

I'm just lucky doing my 3 svn-commits per year, and with git I would
do git-commits.

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Re: [NTG-context] git or svn

[Peter Münster]

On Thu, Sep 26 2013, Mica Semrick wrote:

> it could have been forked, branched, content added, pull request made.

with svn: wait for access -> commit   ;)

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Re: [NTG-context] git or svn (was: ConTeXt Manual Errata)

[Aditya Mahajan]

On Thu, 26 Sep 2013, Peter Münster wrote:


On Thu, Sep 26 2013, Mica Semrick wrote:


@Peter github makes collaboration quite painless. Users can manage their own
accounts.


I like git because of its features. And when I don't need those
features, I prefer svn because of its simplicity. Where is the pain?


The last time I tried, merging multiple version in svn is a huge pain. One 
of the advantages of DVCS is that branching and merging are easy.



What would be the benefit when moving to github?


Github seems to be the most popular DVCS hosting site at the moment. For 
manuals, I think that Github is particularly useful because you can click 
on edit and make the change. Github automatically creates a fork, a new 
branch, and pull request for you. So the technical barrier to 
participation is low.



-1 (not worth the trouble for me)

(On the other hand, if you sent me some bitcoins, I would be glad to
copy contextman to github. ;)


https://github.com/nirvdrum/svn2git

Using this is usually as simple as

svn2git http://svn.example.com/path/to/repo

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Re: [NTG-context] git or svn (was: ConTeXt Manual Errata)

[Thangalin]

That is an excellent summation, Mica.


On Thu, Sep 26, 2013 at 2:56 PM, Mica Semrick  wrote:

> > Where is the pain?
> > What would be the benefit when moving to github?
>
> On the thread someone wanted to add something to the manual, but didn't
> have SVN access. The admin wasn't getting email, and thus couldn't grant
> the new account. The material was not added the to manual.
>
> If the manual was on github, it could have been forked, branched, content
> added, pull request made. End of story. So we do want the features of
> github.
>
>
> On Thu, Sep 26, 2013 at 2:50 PM, Peter Münster  wrote:
>
>> On Thu, Sep 26 2013, Mica Semrick wrote:
>>
>> > @Peter github makes collaboration quite painless. Users can manage
>> their own
>> > accounts.
>>
>> I like git because of its features. And when I don't need those
>> features, I prefer svn because of its simplicity. Where is the pain?
>> What would be the benefit when moving to github?
>>
>> -1 (not worth the trouble for me)
>>
>> (On the other hand, if you sent me some bitcoins, I would be glad to
>> copy contextman to github. ;)
>>
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Re: [NTG-context] git or svn (was: ConTeXt Manual Errata)

[Mica Semrick]

> Where is the pain?
> What would be the benefit when moving to github?

On the thread someone wanted to add something to the manual, but didn't
have SVN access. The admin wasn't getting email, and thus couldn't grant
the new account. The material was not added the to manual.

If the manual was on github, it could have been forked, branched, content
added, pull request made. End of story. So we do want the features of
github.


On Thu, Sep 26, 2013 at 2:50 PM, Peter Münster  wrote:

> On Thu, Sep 26 2013, Mica Semrick wrote:
>
> > @Peter github makes collaboration quite painless. Users can manage their
> own
> > accounts.
>
> I like git because of its features. And when I don't need those
> features, I prefer svn because of its simplicity. Where is the pain?
> What would be the benefit when moving to github?
>
> -1 (not worth the trouble for me)
>
> (On the other hand, if you sent me some bitcoins, I would be glad to
> copy contextman to github. ;)
>
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[Peter Münster]

On Thu, Sep 26 2013, Mica Semrick wrote:

> @Peter github makes collaboration quite painless. Users can manage their own
> accounts. 

I like git because of its features. And when I don't need those
features, I prefer svn because of its simplicity. Where is the pain?
What would be the benefit when moving to github?

-1 (not worth the trouble for me)

(On the other hand, if you sent me some bitcoins, I would be glad to
copy contextman to github. ;)

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Re: [NTG-context] git repository in sync with minimals

[Marco]

> > Is the git repository git://gitorious.org/context/context.git
> > in sync with the minimals?
> 
> It is but it is incomplete compared to the minimals and therefore may not
> be what you are looking for.
> 
> Long answer: The repository is in sync with
> http://pragma-ade.nl/context/current/cont-tmf.zip (see
> http://gitorious.org/context/context/blobs/script/context_git_update.pl).
> However, the repository misses binaries, all extras and additional fonts
> that are available on http://minimals.contextgarden.net/.

Thanks

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Re: [NTG-context] git repository in sync with minimals

[Florian Wobbe]

> Is the git repository git://gitorious.org/context/context.git
> in sync with the minimals?

It is but it is incomplete compared to the minimals and therefore may not be 
what you are looking for.

Long answer: The repository is in sync with 
http://pragma-ade.nl/context/current/cont-tmf.zip (see 
http://gitorious.org/context/context/blobs/script/context_git_update.pl). 
However, the repository misses binaries, all extras and additional fonts that 
are available on http://minimals.contextgarden.net/.

> If not, is there another revision control system repository
> for context that is?

AFAIK only privately maintained ones.

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[Marco]

Is the git repository git://gitorious.org/context/context.git
in sync with the minimals?

If not, is there another revision control system repository
for context that is?

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Re: [NTG-context] git repo is not updated?

[Marius]

On Mon, Jun 7, 2010 at 9:26 AM, Patrick Gundlach  wrote:
> Hi,
>
>>
>> I see that context minimals is at 2010-06-05 version, hovewer git repo
>> [1] is last updated on 2010-05-29.
>
>>
>> So, experimental means no more updates :) It's now passed more then 24
>> ours from my first email and still the git repository is not updated.
>
> OK, I'l have a look into it and I will report back. I am interested what you 
> use the git repo for.

To follow the changes and learn the code. Other repos are more
convenient to follow, because each commit is a small step, while in
your repo changes are presented in bulk, but it's better then nothing
at all.
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Re: [NTG-context] git repo is not updated?

[Patrick Gundlach]

Hi,

> 
> I see that context minimals is at 2010-06-05 version, hovewer git repo
> [1] is last updated on 2010-05-29.

> 
> So, experimental means no more updates :) It's now passed more then 24
> ours from my first email and still the git repository is not updated.

OK, I'l have a look into it and I will report back. I am interested what you 
use the git repo for.

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Re: [NTG-context] git repo is not updated?

[Marius]

On Sun, Jun 6, 2010 at 9:29 AM, Patrick Gundlach  wrote:
>
> Am 05.06.2010 um 18:25 schrieb Mojca Miklavec:
>
>> On Sat, Jun 5, 2010 at 11:04, Hans Hagen  wrote:
>>> On 5-6-2010 10:07, Marius wrote:

 Hello,

 I see that context minimals is at 2010-06-05 version, hovewer git repo
 [1] is last updated on 2010-05-29.


 http://contextgarden.wordpress.com/2009/07/29/news-from-the-git-repository/
>>>
>>> the repos updates at midnight (so, once per day)
>>
>> But I'm not sure when Patrick's repository updates.
>
> at midnight ;-)
>
> But I am surprised that there is actually a user out there. Beware, the 
> repository is still experimental.

So, experimental means no more updates :) It's now passed more then 24
ours from my first email and still the git repository is not updated.
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Re: [NTG-context] git repo is not updated?

[Khaled Hosny]

Midnight of which timezone? :)

On Sun, Jun 06, 2010 at 10:57:29AM +0300, Marius wrote:
> Midnight passed, but repository still is not updated?
> 
> On Sun, Jun 6, 2010 at 9:29 AM, Patrick Gundlach  wrote:
> >
> > Am 05.06.2010 um 18:25 schrieb Mojca Miklavec:
> >
> >> On Sat, Jun 5, 2010 at 11:04, Hans Hagen  wrote:
> >>> On 5-6-2010 10:07, Marius wrote:
> 
>  Hello,
> 
>  I see that context minimals is at 2010-06-05 version, hovewer git repo
>  [1] is last updated on 2010-05-29.
> 
> 
>  http://contextgarden.wordpress.com/2009/07/29/news-from-the-git-repository/
> >>>
> >>> the repos updates at midnight (so, once per day)
> >>
> >> But I'm not sure when Patrick's repository updates.
> >
> > at midnight ;-)
> >
> > But I am surprised that there is actually a user out there. Beware, the 
> > repository is still experimental.
> >
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Re: [NTG-context] git repo is not updated?

[Marius]

Midnight passed, but repository still is not updated?

On Sun, Jun 6, 2010 at 9:29 AM, Patrick Gundlach  wrote:
>
> Am 05.06.2010 um 18:25 schrieb Mojca Miklavec:
>
>> On Sat, Jun 5, 2010 at 11:04, Hans Hagen  wrote:
>>> On 5-6-2010 10:07, Marius wrote:

 Hello,

 I see that context minimals is at 2010-06-05 version, hovewer git repo
 [1] is last updated on 2010-05-29.


 http://contextgarden.wordpress.com/2009/07/29/news-from-the-git-repository/
>>>
>>> the repos updates at midnight (so, once per day)
>>
>> But I'm not sure when Patrick's repository updates.
>
> at midnight ;-)
>
> But I am surprised that there is actually a user out there. Beware, the 
> repository is still experimental.
>
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Re: [NTG-context] git repo is not updated?

[Patrick Gundlach]

Am 05.06.2010 um 18:25 schrieb Mojca Miklavec:

> On Sat, Jun 5, 2010 at 11:04, Hans Hagen  wrote:
>> On 5-6-2010 10:07, Marius wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello,
>>> 
>>> I see that context minimals is at 2010-06-05 version, hovewer git repo
>>> [1] is last updated on 2010-05-29.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> http://contextgarden.wordpress.com/2009/07/29/news-from-the-git-repository/
>> 
>> the repos updates at midnight (so, once per day)
> 
> But I'm not sure when Patrick's repository updates.

at midnight ;-)

But I am surprised that there is actually a user out there. Beware, the 
repository is still experimental.

Patrick

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Re: [NTG-context] git repo is not updated?

[Mojca Miklavec]

On Sat, Jun 5, 2010 at 11:04, Hans Hagen  wrote:
> On 5-6-2010 10:07, Marius wrote:
>>
>> Hello,
>>
>> I see that context minimals is at 2010-06-05 version, hovewer git repo
>> [1] is last updated on 2010-05-29.
>>
>>
>> http://contextgarden.wordpress.com/2009/07/29/news-from-the-git-repository/
>
> the repos updates at midnight (so, once per day)

But I'm not sure when Patrick's repository updates.

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Re: [NTG-context] git repo is not updated?

[Hans Hagen]

On 5-6-2010 10:07, Marius wrote:

Hello,

I see that context minimals is at 2010-06-05 version, hovewer git repo
[1] is last updated on 2010-05-29.

http://contextgarden.wordpress.com/2009/07/29/news-from-the-git-repository/


the repos updates at midnight (so, once per day)

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[NTG-context] git repo is not updated?

[Marius]

Hello,

I see that context minimals is at 2010-06-05 version, hovewer git repo
[1] is last updated on 2010-05-29.

http://contextgarden.wordpress.com/2009/07/29/news-from-the-git-repository/

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Re: [NTG-context] git repository

[Hans Hagen]

Matthijs Kooijman wrote:
well, such messages would not help much unless they would be detailed  
(and then should be done for each file); as i work on all files at the  
same time it would cost me way to much time and it gains me nothing;  
looking at the diff in a git gui is more informative

A git commit contains changes to multiple files, with a single message, so if
you work on one logical change at a time, this should not be a problem.
Perhaps you are thinking of CVS, which (AFAIK) provides only per-file
versioning?


sure, but i never change 'one file' per commit, often many small changes 
in files (even typos or just formatting)



Also, even short messages like, "Added \foo command", or "Fixed \bar
alignment" would probably be helpful.


i've probably forgotten that by the time i submit a zip as there can be 
quit esome time between a commit then



Then again, you are completely correct that there is some effort to be
invested to properly use a versioning system, especially if you're not used to
working with one. In my experience, having a versioning system like git (or
mercurial seems to be good as well) does pay off in the long run, but only if
you tune your development flow to work well with it.


indeed, and we started on context way before there was git (and many 
files are involved, not only tex files); changing now would probably 
stall me for a while


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Re: [NTG-context] git repository

[Matthijs Kooijman]

> well, such messages would not help much unless they would be detailed  
> (and then should be done for each file); as i work on all files at the  
> same time it would cost me way to much time and it gains me nothing;  
> looking at the diff in a git gui is more informative
A git commit contains changes to multiple files, with a single message, so if
you work on one logical change at a time, this should not be a problem.
Perhaps you are thinking of CVS, which (AFAIK) provides only per-file
versioning?

Also, even short messages like, "Added \foo command", or "Fixed \bar
alignment" would probably be helpful.

Then again, you are completely correct that there is some effort to be
invested to properly use a versioning system, especially if you're not used to
working with one. In my experience, having a versioning system like git (or
mercurial seems to be good as well) does pay off in the long run, but only if
you tune your development flow to work well with it.

Gr.

Matthijs


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Re: [NTG-context] git repository

[Hans Hagen]

Matthijs Kooijman wrote:

Hi Patrick,


I don't know if you have noticed that the git repository has been
replaced by a newer one.


I'm surprised that there is even a git repository at all. On the wiki and all
documents I've seen so far, there is only talk about rsyncing from an ftp, git
is never mentioned.


these are different things:

- zips from www.pragma-ade.com: the official alpha, beta and current in 
tds format

- svn on tex.aanhet.net and gforge: the zips submitted in an svn repos
- ftp on one of our machines: intermediate versions for the happy few 
(non public)
- git on the garden: an experiment that started last context meeting and 
will launch upcoming context meeting

- minimals: stand alone tex installations efficiently synced with rsync


However, looking at the contents of the git repository, it seems that this is
just a repository that automatically checks the files from the ftp every so
often? I was hoping for an actual git repository with commit messages to show
changes, but it seems the git repository isn't the primary version of context


well, such messages would not help much unless they would be detailed 
(and then should be done for each file); as i work on all files at the 
same time it would cost me way to much time and it gains me nothing; 
looking at the diff in a git gui is more informative



(I guess Hans' local copy is)?


the zips are built from my local dev tree which has a completely 
different structure; reorganizing that all (sources, examples, manuals, 
presentations, etc etc) would cost me a lot of time (as not all is 
suitable for a repos), gains me nothing, and is no fun doing


if some huge project was paying for the effort i would consider doing it 
but at the moment it simply does not pay off


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Re: [NTG-context] git repository

[Matthijs Kooijman]

Hi Patrick,

> I don't know if you have noticed that the git repository has been
> replaced by a newer one.

I'm surprised that there is even a git repository at all. On the wiki and all
documents I've seen so far, there is only talk about rsyncing from an ftp, git
is never mentioned.

However, looking at the contents of the git repository, it seems that this is
just a repository that automatically checks the files from the ftp every so
often? I was hoping for an actual git repository with commit messages to show
changes, but it seems the git repository isn't the primary version of context
(I guess Hans' local copy is)?

Gr.

Matthijs


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[NTG-context] git repository

[Patrick Gundlach]

Hi,

I don't know if you have noticed that the git repository has been
replaced by a newer one. Due to the contradiction between the rather
linear development and the non-linear storage in the repository I have
chosen that all releases will be in a single branch 'master' and tagged
as stable or beta.

Please consider the git repository as experimental, at least until the
end of the conference in delft.

(see also:
)


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