Re: [NTG-context] mkiv structure
Alan BRASLAU wrote: In my understanding, \part serves to delimit logical sections of related chapters, not volumes. Maybe I am wrong in this interpretation; maybe \part is to be used to delimit volumes. Nevertheless, it should be relatively simple for the basic user to be able to select the desired behavior without having to acquire an understanding of the inner workings such as prefixsets and sectionsegments. part is just the first level of sectioning and happens to be configured in such a way that it does not show a title; really nothing special Hans - Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 74 | www.pragma-ade.com | www.pragma-pod.nl - ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] mkiv structure
On Thursday 09 July 2009 09:38:07 Hans Hagen wrote: part is just the first level of sectioning and happens to be configured in such a way that it does not show a title; really nothing special It is a question of default setup. \part is configured differently : no title, additional page number, etc. My suggestion is to behave by default (mkiv) as under mkii (and latex). Alan ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] mkiv structure
Am 09.07.2009 um 09:59 schrieb Alan BRASLAU: On Thursday 09 July 2009 09:38:07 Hans Hagen wrote: part is just the first level of sectioning and happens to be configured in such a way that it does not show a title; really nothing special It is a question of default setup. \part is configured differently : no title, additional page number, etc. My suggestion is to behave by default (mkiv) as under mkii (and latex). The part handling in ConTeXt (MkII) is different from the one in LaTeX, ConTeXt resets the chapter number while in LaTeX the chapter number continues over parts. Wolfgang ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] mkiv structure
Wolfgang Schuster wrote: Am 03.07.2009 um 16:04 schrieb Hans Hagen: Alan BRASLAU wrote: In my understanding, \part serves to delimit logical sections of related chapters, not volumes. Maybe I am wrong in this interpretation; maybe \part is to be used to delimit volumes. Nevertheless, it should be relatively simple for the basic user to be able to select the desired behavior without having to acquire an understanding of the inner workings such as prefixsets and sectionsegments. there will be presets but i had no time yet to make them Can you give a example how to continue chapter numbering over parts, I tried a few settings with \definestructureresetset but I wasn't very successful. needs a fix (seems to be old code mixed into newer) - Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 74 | www.pragma-ade.com | www.pragma-pod.nl - ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] mkiv structure
Hi Wolfgang
Alan BRASLAU wrote:
In my understanding, \part serves to delimit
logical sections of related chapters, not volumes.
Maybe I am wrong in this interpretation;
maybe \part is to be used to delimit volumes.
Nevertheless, it should be relatively simple
for the basic user to be able to select the desired behavior
without having to acquire an understanding of the inner workings
such as prefixsets and sectionsegments.
there will be presets but i had no time yet to make them
Can you give a example how to continue chapter numbering over parts, I
tried
a few settings with \definestructureresetset but I wasn't very successful.
i redid that bit of code so we now have
\definestructureresetset[default][0,1,1,0][1]
% normally we use the shared default so there is no need to configure
% all levels (confusing anyway)
%
% \setuphead[part][sectionresetset=default]
\starttext
\placelist[chapter,section,subsection][criterium=all,width=3cm]
\part{first} \chapter{alpha} \section{a} \section{b}
\subsection{x} \subsection{y} \chapter{beta}
\part{second} \chapter{gamma} \section{a} \section{b}
\subsection{x} \subsection{y} \chapter{delta}
\stoptext
(this example resets only chapter and section)
(only in the experimental version on the ftp)
Hans
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Re: [NTG-context] mkiv structure
Alan BRASLAU wrote: On Friday 03 July 2009 16:04:07 Hans Hagen wrote: Obsolete in mkii? Shouldn't basic use (read standard users) treat source text transparently between mkii and mkiv? no, this is one of the few places where there will be a difference; we have way more control now (also to the detail of setting up styles for each separator in a composed number) but that comes at a price; i don't want to complicate the mkiv code with too many compatibility hacks I understand and I do agree, basically. However, any (and all) differences need to be clearly documented. I know that you are working on this. Perhaps we need to put together a mkii-mkiv changes summary document, from the users point of view updating http://wiki.contextgarden.net/Mark_IV (or Mark_IV_differences). feel free to document this on the wiki we can tag such incompatibilities as 'permanent', 'temporary' and 'to be discussed' there will also be a module that collects a couple of 'obsolete' commands (often obsolete because we have better methods now but some ancient style might use them) Hans - Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 74 | www.pragma-ade.com | www.pragma-pod.nl - ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] mkiv structure
On Friday 03 July 2009 16:04:07 Hans Hagen wrote: Obsolete in mkii? Shouldn't basic use (read standard users) treat source text transparently between mkii and mkiv? no, this is one of the few places where there will be a difference; we have way more control now (also to the detail of setting up styles for each separator in a composed number) but that comes at a price; i don't want to complicate the mkiv code with too many compatibility hacks I understand and I do agree, basically. However, any (and all) differences need to be clearly documented. I know that you are working on this. Perhaps we need to put together a mkii-mkiv changes summary document, from the users point of view updating http://wiki.contextgarden.net/Mark_IV (or Mark_IV_differences). I am aware of a few differences, but am far from having a complete view. On Sunday 05 July 2009 11:32:35 Wolfgang Schuster wrote: Can you give a example how to continue chapter numbering over parts, I tried a few settings with \definestructureresetset but I wasn't very successful. Yes, please provide an example. I too have tried different blind guesses and have not succeeded either. Alan ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] mkiv structure
In my experience, a \part is generally
(except in some rather technical documents)
not treated as a super-chapter, that is
chapter numbers (and titles) are not reset
and retain their status as if the book was not
divided into parts.
A very long work is commonly broken into volumes.
Here, each volume may or may not reset chapter numbers.
Page numbering may or may not reflect the volume number.
This is a sylistic choice.
In my understanding, \part serves to delimit
logical sections of related chapters, not volumes.
Maybe I am wrong in this interpretation;
maybe \part is to be used to delimit volumes.
Nevertheless, it should be relatively simple
for the basic user to be able to select the desired behavior
without having to acquire an understanding of the inner workings
such as prefixsets and sectionsegments.
Alan
On Thursday 02 July 2009 23:25:57 Hans Hagen wrote:
keys like partnumber (sectionnumber) are obsolete ... and replace by
prefxset etc (see strc-def.mkiv for example definitions)
Obsolete in mkii?
Shouldn't basic use (read standard users)
treat source text transparently
between mkii and mkiv?
\setuphead[part][placehead=yes,resetnumber=no]
\doifmodeelse{mkiv}{
\setuphead[part][sectionsegments=1:1]
\setupstructureheads[sectionsegments=2:5]
} {
\setuppagenumbering[partnumber=no]
\setuplist[chapter,section,subsection,subsubsection]
[partnumber=no]
}
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Re: [NTG-context] mkiv structure
Alan BRASLAU wrote: In my understanding, \part serves to delimit logical sections of related chapters, not volumes. Maybe I am wrong in this interpretation; maybe \part is to be used to delimit volumes. Nevertheless, it should be relatively simple for the basic user to be able to select the desired behavior without having to acquire an understanding of the inner workings such as prefixsets and sectionsegments. there will be presets but i had no time yet to make them Obsolete in mkii? Shouldn't basic use (read standard users) treat source text transparently between mkii and mkiv? no, this is one of the few places where there will be a difference; we have way more control now (also to the detail of setting up styles for each separator in a composed number) but that comes at a price; i don't want to complicate the mkiv code with too many compatibility hacks Hans - Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 74 | www.pragma-ade.com | www.pragma-pod.nl - ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] mkiv structure
On Monday 15 June 2009 10:02:35 Hans Hagen wrote:
I was wondering ... the last time quite some nice small test samples
were posted for testing the structure code
% Example taken from cont-enp.pdf
% However, adding \part{} is problematic...
% (maybe someone can correct this?)
%
\setuppagenumbering[alternative=doublesided,way=bytext,partnumber=no]
\setuphead[part][placehead=yes,resetnumber=no]
\doifmode{mkiv}{
\setuphead[part][sectionsegments=1:1]
\setupstructureheads[sectionsegments=2:5]
}
\setuplabeltext[chapter=Chapter ] \setuplist[chapter][label=yes]
\setuplist[part,chapter,section,subsection,subsubsection]
[partnumber=no,interaction=all,alternative=c]
% number – title – dots – pagenumber
\starttext
\startfrontmatter
\completecontent
\chapter{Introduction} % in content, no number
\stopfrontmatter
\startbodymatter
\part{Beginning}
\chapter{First} % number 1, in content
\section{Alfa} % number 1.1, in content
\section{Beta} % number 1.2, in content
\chapter{Second}% number 2, in content
\subject{Blabla}% no number, not in content
\part{End}
\chapter{Third} % number 3, in content
\stopbodymatter
\startappendices
\chapter{Index} % letter A, in content
\chapter{Abbreviations} % letter B, in content
\stopappendices
\startbackmatter
\chapter{Acknowlegdement} % no number, in content
\title{Colofon} % no number, not in content
\stopbackmatter
\stoptext
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Re: [NTG-context] mkiv structure
Alan BRASLAU wrote:
On Monday 15 June 2009 10:02:35 Hans Hagen wrote:
I was wondering ... the last time quite some nice small test samples
were posted for testing the structure code
% Example taken from cont-enp.pdf
% However, adding \part{} is problematic...
% (maybe someone can correct this?)
%
\setuppagenumbering[alternative=doublesided,way=bytext,partnumber=no]
\setuphead[part][placehead=yes,resetnumber=no]
\doifmode{mkiv}{
\setuphead[part][sectionsegments=1:1]
\setupstructureheads[sectionsegments=2:5]
}
\setuplabeltext[chapter=Chapter ] \setuplist[chapter][label=yes]
\setuplist[part,chapter,section,subsection,subsubsection]
[partnumber=no,interaction=all,alternative=c]
% number – title – dots – pagenumber
keys like partnumber (sectionnumber) are obsolete ... and replace by
prefxset etc (see strc-def.mkiv for example definitions)
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[NTG-context] mkiv structure
Hi, I was wondering ... the last time quite some nice small test samples were posted for testing the structure code maybe we can set up a repository with such test files (but someone needs to coordinate it) where they can end up after posting and fixing possible errors in the examples; we do need some ordering Hans - Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 74 | www.pragma-ade.com | www.pragma-pod.nl - ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
