Re: [NTG-context] Is it possible to put references format depending of mainlanguage? and other things
Hi, Xan wrote: This is a BAD new. I think it's important. It could be marked the difference (in the bibliographyc world) about ConTeXt and other systems. Unfortonately I have not enough knowledge for doing that so I depend of you ;-) Please, reconsider it. I think it will be a day of work for you (at least with preliminary version - not right-to-left languages). Finding a free 'day of work' is a lot harder than you make it sound :) but I will try to find the time. Best wishes, Taco ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] Is it possible to put references format depending of mainlanguage? and other things
Hi, Xan wrote: / For the small bits of text inside the reference list, you have to create // a copy of the relevant bibl-xxx file with the two-letter language code // attached to the name, edit that file to your liking, then do: // //\setuppublications[alternative=apa-ca] % for example. // // I refer to that. For not having apa-ca, apa-es, apa-fr, etc I think you // could rewrite bib module for having localization in automatic way. If // \mainlanguage = es, then number = número or something similar in TeX // way Sorry but I don't know TeX so much for doing that in my own. But I // think it's simply for you ;-) / There are two reasons why this is not done (yet?): 1. The microtypography of such textual labels is not the same in all languages/countries: at least some require a change in the actual ordering (prefix vs. postfix labels) 2. (and this is more important) Laziness from me. Not a good reason, I know, but that's how it is. This is a BAD new. I think it's important. It could be marked the difference (in the bibliographyc world) about ConTeXt and other systems. Unfortonately I have not enough knowledge for doing that so I depend of you ;-) Please, reconsider it. I think it will be a day of work for you (at least with preliminary version - not right-to-left languages). In a long time, please put in your todo list the implementation of babelbib [http://texcatalogue.sarovar.org/entries/babelbib.html] in ConTeXt Thanks a lot, Xan. Best wishes, Taco ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] Is it possible to put references format depending of mainlanguage? and other things
Hi, Xan wrote: For the small bits of text inside the reference list, you have to create a copy of the relevant bibl-xxx file with the two-letter language code attached to the name, edit that file to your liking, then do: \setuppublications[alternative=apa-ca] % for example. I refer to that. For not having apa-ca, apa-es, apa-fr, etc I think you could rewrite bib module for having localization in automatic way. If \mainlanguage = es, then number = número or something similar in TeX way Sorry but I don't know TeX so much for doing that in my own. But I think it's simply for you ;-) There are two reasons why this is not done (yet?): 1. The microtypography of such textual labels is not the same in all languages/countries: at least some require a change in the actual ordering (prefix vs. postfix labels) 2. (and this is more important) Laziness from me. Not a good reason, I know, but that's how it is. Best wishes, Taco ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] Is it possible to put references format depending of mainlanguage? and other things
Xan wrote: / Hi, // // I posted previously // [http://www.ntg.nl/pipermail/ntg-context/2009/043675.html] but no one // answer that. Is it possible to localizated bibliography module depending // on \mainlanguage? I think for example in @inproceedings or @article in // ams. It appears number for specifying the number of journal, but // number is in english. It were useful if we could display número for // \mainlanguage[es], nombre for \mainlanguage[ca], etc like we display // tableofcontents or the title of references in \mainlanguage localization. / There is only very limited support for internationalisation in the bib module, but at least you can define the reference title: \setupheadtext[ca][pubs=Referències] this definition is actually already there. Yes, I know that. For the small bits of text inside the reference list, you have to create a copy of the relevant bibl-xxx file with the two-letter language code attached to the name, edit that file to your liking, then do: \setuppublications[alternative=apa-ca] % for example. I refer to that. For not having apa-ca, apa-es, apa-fr, etc I think you could rewrite bib module for having localization in automatic way. If \mainlanguage = es, then number = número or something similar in TeX way Sorry but I don't know TeX so much for doing that in my own. But I think it's simply for you ;-) / For the other hand, is it possible to define second references like // wikipedia? I plan to write a document that will have a normal // bibliography citations (like \cite[bridson] and display the book of // Bridson) and a wikipedia-like citations for citing specifically // paragraphs of text (that I want to display like wikipedia references // \wikicite[This text appears in paragraph 2 of \cite[bridson] in a reject // of ]) Is it possible? / I am not sure whether I understand you correctly, but there is this command: \def\getcitedata [key][field] to \macroname which stores the value of 'field' in the reference 'key' into the \macroname. The idea is that you can use this to fetch any simple key from a reference anywhere in the document. I will investigate it Thanks a lot, Xan. Best wishes, Taco ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] Is it possible to put references format depending of mainlanguage? and other things
Xan wrote: Hi, I posted previously [http://www.ntg.nl/pipermail/ntg-context/2009/043675.html] but no one answer that. Is it possible to localizated bibliography module depending on \mainlanguage? I think for example in @inproceedings or @article in ams. It appears number for specifying the number of journal, but number is in english. It were useful if we could display número for \mainlanguage[es], nombre for \mainlanguage[ca], etc like we display tableofcontents or the title of references in \mainlanguage localization. There is only very limited support for internationalisation in the bib module, but at least you can define the reference title: \setupheadtext[ca][pubs=Referències] this definition is actually already there. For the small bits of text inside the reference list, you have to create a copy of the relevant bibl-xxx file with the two-letter language code attached to the name, edit that file to your liking, then do: \setuppublications[alternative=apa-ca] % for example. For the other hand, is it possible to define second references like wikipedia? I plan to write a document that will have a normal bibliography citations (like \cite[bridson] and display the book of Bridson) and a wikipedia-like citations for citing specifically paragraphs of text (that I want to display like wikipedia references \wikicite[This text appears in paragraph 2 of \cite[bridson] in a reject of ]) Is it possible? I am not sure whether I understand you correctly, but there is this command: \def\getcitedata [key][field] to \macroname which stores the value of 'field' in the reference 'key' into the \macroname. The idea is that you can use this to fetch any simple key from a reference anywhere in the document. Best wishes, Taco ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
