Re: [NTG-context] documentation for \cite and \setupcite commands

[Willi Egger via ntg-context]

Amine,

The thing is, that in the MKIV-publications.pdf (see in the doc subtree of 
texmf-context) \setupcite does not exist. This command is used by the 
implementation by Taco Hoekwater. This system is still in the distro.

In order to get your bibliography working you will have to study the 
MKIV-publicaations document. — I say this, because I started to use it recently 
for one of my projects. And yes it is rather a complex system…

Willi

> On 27 Mar 2022, at 20:36, A A via ntg-context  wrote:
> 
> Another question, Bibliographies, the ConTeXt way by Hans Hagen and Alan 
> Braslau introduces a parameter not shown in the \cite doc in ConTeXt garden, 
> namely "righttext".
> 
> Moreover, this answer introduces an "extras" parameter, also not included in 
> ConTeXt garden. Am I missing something here?
> 
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> From: A A 
> Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2022 at 20:16
> Subject: Fwd: documentation for \cite and \setupcite commands
> To: 
> 
> 
> Nevermind, for \cite there is detailed documentation here
> 
> Can I safely assume that \setupcite uses the same arguments? Can I generalize 
> this assumption to all \command and \setupcommand in ConTeXt?
> 
> -- Forwarded message -
> From: A A 
> Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2022 at 20:09
> Subject: documentation for \cite and \setupcite commands
> To: 
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> 
> Dear All,
> 
> Does anyone know where I can find more or less detailed information about the 
> \cite and \setupcite commands? I checked ConTeXt garden and the book 
> "ConTeXt: An excursion". I also checked the mailing list search engine and 
> did a couple of generic google searches but found nothing to the level of 
> detail I'm looking for.
> 
> Thanks in advance for your help.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Amine
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Re: [NTG-context] Documentation about CTX installation on MacOS X

[Jean-Pierre Delange via ntg-context]

Of course ! I’ve seen these quotes ! 
I don’t know what is the purpose of ICCPROFILES ...

> Le 3 janv. 2022 à 09:35, Henning Hraban Ramm via ntg-context 
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> 
> Am 03.01.22 um 09:22 schrieb Henning Hraban Ramm via ntg-context:
>> You might want to set:
>> OSFONTDIR='/System/Library/Fonts//:/Library/Fonts//:~/Library/Fonts//:/Library/Application
>>  Support/Adobe/Fonts//
>> #:~/FontExplorer\ X/Font\ Library//'
>> ICCPROFILES='~/Library/ColorSync/Profiles//:/Library/ColorSync/Profiles//:/System/Library/ColorSync/Profiles//:'
>>  
> 
> Sorry, leave out the quotes, of course!
> 
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Re: [NTG-context] Documentation about CTX installation on MacOS X

[Jean-Pierre Delange via ntg-context]

> Le 3 janv. 2022 à 09:22, Henning Hraban Ramm via ntg-context 
>  a écrit :
> 
> Am 03.01.22 um 08:09 schrieb Jean-Pierre Delange via ntg-context:
>> Thank you very much for your quick answer to you both Fabrice and Henning ! 
>> It seems there is no detailed documentation about peculiar aspects of CTX on 
>> MacOS.
>> For instance, the use of fonts database on unix-like and MacOS are a bit 
>> different (but not quite a lot) and this command :
>> mtxrun --script fonts —reload
>> Works fine with this one based on fontconfig: fc-cache -v -f
> 
> I don’t remember to have used this for years. ConTeXt AFAIK doesn’t use 
> fontconfig. (LilyPond does…)
> 

fc-cache -v -f works fine on MacOS aswell as on Linux; try some command like 
this one : fc-list : file family |grep \/Library which list all fonts and their 
location 

> 
>> There is some adaptation in the transition from Linux to MacOS, because one 
>> has to play and to look for the fonts paths which are a bit different with 
>> Mac than the Unix paths …
> 
> Of course, but that is basic MacOS knowledge and not specific to ConTeXt.
You’re right !
> 
> You might want to set:
> 
> OSFONTDIR='/System/Library/Fonts//:/Library/Fonts//:~/Library/Fonts//:/Library/Application
>  Support/Adobe/Fonts//
> #:~/FontExplorer\ X/Font\ Library//'
> 
> ICCPROFILES='~/Library/ColorSync/Profiles//:/Library/ColorSync/Profiles//:/System/Library/ColorSync/Profiles//:'
> 
> PATH=~/lmtx/tex/texmf-osx-64/bin:/Library/TeX/texbin:...
> (whereever you installed ConTeXt)
 context, latex, mtxrun, mtxrun.lua are installed in 
/Users/xxx/context/tex/texmf-osx-64/bin … I’ve forgotten that CTX doesn’t exist 
no more since it replacement by Luametatex ! I still use ConTeXt MKIV ...
> 
> I also suggest to install everything personal in ~/texmf (same on Linux) and 
> not in texmf-local or texmf-project, at least if you are planning to have 
> parallel installations (which make sense if you want to keep a "stable" 
> version but also want to check out new features/bugfixes).
I thought that all personal fonts should be added in texmf-fonts ? 

By the way, it might be useful to have . setuptex command. How to deal with 
such a situation, when mtxrun command doesn’t work ? 
> 
> Hraban
 
Thanks you very much, Hraban, for these advices !
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Re: [NTG-context] Documentation about CTX installation on MacOS X

[Henning Hraban Ramm via ntg-context]

Am 03.01.22 um 09:22 schrieb Henning Hraban Ramm via ntg-context:

You might want to set:

OSFONTDIR='/System/Library/Fonts//:/Library/Fonts//:~/Library/Fonts//:/Library/Application 
Support/Adobe/Fonts//

#:~/FontExplorer\ X/Font\ Library//'

ICCPROFILES='~/Library/ColorSync/Profiles//:/Library/ColorSync/Profiles//:/System/Library/ColorSync/Profiles//:' 


Sorry, leave out the quotes, of course!

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Re: [NTG-context] Documentation about CTX installation on MacOS X

[Henning Hraban Ramm via ntg-context]

Am 03.01.22 um 08:09 schrieb Jean-Pierre Delange via ntg-context:
Thank you very much for your quick answer to you both Fabrice and 
Henning ! It seems there is no detailed documentation about peculiar 
aspects of CTX on MacOS.


For instance, the use of fonts database on unix-like and MacOS are a bit 
different (but not quite a lot) and this command :

mtxrun --script fonts —reload

Works fine with this one based on fontconfig: fc-cache -v -f


I don’t remember to have used this for years. ConTeXt AFAIK doesn’t use 
fontconfig. (LilyPond does...)


There is some adaptation in the transition from Linux to MacOS, because 
one has to play and to look for the fonts paths which are a bit 
different with Mac than the Unix paths …


Of course, but that is basic MacOS knowledge and not specific to ConTeXt.

You might want to set:

OSFONTDIR='/System/Library/Fonts//:/Library/Fonts//:~/Library/Fonts//:/Library/Application 
Support/Adobe/Fonts//

#:~/FontExplorer\ X/Font\ Library//'

ICCPROFILES='~/Library/ColorSync/Profiles//:/Library/ColorSync/Profiles//:/System/Library/ColorSync/Profiles//:'

PATH=~/lmtx/tex/texmf-osx-64/bin:/Library/TeX/texbin:...
(whereever you installed ConTeXt)

I also suggest to install everything personal in ~/texmf (same on Linux) 
and not in texmf-local or texmf-project, at least if you are planning to 
have parallel installations (which make sense if you want to keep a 
"stable" version but also want to check out new features/bugfixes).


Hraban
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Re: [NTG-context] Documentation about CTX installation on MacOS X

[Jean-Pierre Delange via ntg-context]

Thank you very much for your quick answer to you both Fabrice and Henning ! It 
seems there is no detailed documentation about peculiar aspects of CTX on 
MacOS. 

For instance, the use of fonts database on unix-like and MacOS are a bit 
different (but not quite a lot) and this command :
mtxrun --script fonts —reload 

Works fine with this one based on fontconfig : fc-cache -v -f

There is some adaptation in the transition from Linux to MacOS, because one has 
to play and to look for the fonts paths which are a bit different with Mac than 
the Unix paths … 


> Le 2 janv. 2022 à 11:54, Henning Hraban Ramm via ntg-context 
>  a écrit :
> 
> Am 03.01.22 um 03:26 schrieb Jean-Pierre Delange via ntg-context:
>> Now my question : I want to try CTX (ConTeXtver: 2021.12.30) on MacOS X 
>> (currently 10.13  High Sierra), while I was formerly working with old 
>> versions on Linux and Windows based systems. Among other difficulties (like 
>> how to export OSFONDIR permanently), I don’t find the clever command . 
>> setuptex, which made possible a bunch of other commands (like context —make 
>> and context —generate). Even if a lot of things on MacOS X seem to share 
>> with Unix-like systems, I am looking for detailed documentation concerning a 
>> well done installation of CTX on MacOS X.
> 
> You can install LMTX the usual Unix way 
> (https://wiki.contextgarden.net/Installation); setuptex doesn’t exist any 
> more.
> 
> And then you can install modules: 
> https://wiki.contextgarden.net/Modules#ConTeXt_LMTX
> 
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Re: [NTG-context] Documentation about CTX installation on MacOS X

[Henning Hraban Ramm via ntg-context]

Am 03.01.22 um 03:26 schrieb Jean-Pierre Delange via ntg-context:
Now my question : I want to try CTX (ConTeXtver: 2021.12.30) on MacOS X 
(currently 10.13  High Sierra), while I was formerly working with old 
versions on Linux and Windows based systems. Among other difficulties 
(like how to export OSFONDIR permanently), I don’t find the clever 
command . setuptex, which made possible a bunch of other commands (like 
context —make and context —generate). Even if a lot of things on MacOS X 
seem to share with Unix-like systems, I am looking for detailed 
documentation concerning a well done installation of CTX on MacOS X.


You can install LMTX the usual Unix way 
(https://wiki.contextgarden.net/Installation); setuptex doesn’t exist 
any more.


And then you can install modules: 
https://wiki.contextgarden.net/Modules#ConTeXt_LMTX


Hraban
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Re: [NTG-context] Documentation about CTX installation on MacOS X

[Fabrice L via ntg-context]

Hi,

> Le 2 janv. 2022 à 21:26, Jean-Pierre Delange via ntg-context 
>  a écrit :
> 
> First of all : Happy New Year everybody (despite some difficulties due to 
> public policies against the epidemic !
> 
> Now my question : I want to try CTX (ConTeXt  ver: 2021.12.30) on MacOS X 
> (currently 10.13  High Sierra), while I was formerly working with old 
> versions on Linux and Windows based systems. Among other difficulties (like 
> how to export OSFONDIR permanently), I don’t find the clever command . 
> setuptex, which made possible a bunch of other commands (like context —make 
> and context —generate). Even if a lot of things on MacOS X seem to share with 
> Unix-like systems, I am looking for detailed documentation concerning a well 
> done installation of CTX on MacOS X. 
> Thank you very much for your help !
> JP  

On MacOS, I usually follow with success this page of the wiki :
https://wiki.contextgarden.net/Installing_ConTeXt_LMTX_on_MacOS

Regarding modules, on MacOS, the script described here (again on the wiki) 
works well for me:
https://wiki.contextgarden.net/Modules#ConTeXt_LMTX

Finally, I use TexPad as my context/metafun editor, and if you need some help 
to set it up, I can describe my setup in details. 
Fabrice.



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Re: [NTG-context] Documentation for the database module

[Henning Hraban Ramm]

> Am 15.09.2020 um 04:51 schrieb myli...@posteo.de:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I want to typeset a Periodic Table of the Elements. The according data
> is prepared in a file with comma separated values (csv/UNIX). I found
> some *very* basic informations how to get file based csv-data typeset,
> but the result is hardly recognizable as Periodic Table of the
> Elements.
> 
> To understand how to use the according commands I need a documentation
> of it.
> 
> What I found was this:
> https://wiki.contextgarden.net/M-database
> which is more a summary of two examples with no explanations and
> starting with the warning "This may be outdated".
> 
> Where can I find a good one?

Have a look at the bibliography module’s documentation (mkiv-publications.pdf), 
there’s an example with chemicals. Don’t know if that fits your needs.

Hraban
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Re: [NTG-context] Documentation for the database module

[DesdeChaves]

Some time ago I wrote metapost code for make a periodic table.

See:
https://tex.stackexchange.com/questions/233417/periodic-table-with-electron-counts-in-shells/233644

Have a nice day

Jorge


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Em ter., 15 de set. de 2020 às 03:51,  escreveu:

> Hi,
>
> I want to typeset a Periodic Table of the Elements. The according data
> is prepared in a file with comma separated values (csv/UNIX). I found
> some *very* basic informations how to get file based csv-data typeset,
> but the result is hardly recognizable as Periodic Table of the
> Elements.
>
> To understand how to use the according commands I need a documentation
> of it.
>
> What I found was this:
> https://wiki.contextgarden.net/M-database
> which is more a summary of two examples with no explanations and
> starting with the warning "This may be outdated".
>
> Where can I find a good one?
>
> Thanks a lot for any help in advance!
> Cheers!
> mcc
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Re: [NTG-context] Documentation/tutorial for xml.collected, xml.first etc.?

[Hans Hagen]

xml-mkiv.pdf

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Re: [NTG-context] Documentation of change / Evolving documents

[Axel Kielhorn]

Hello!

I have added my document about evolving documents to the Wiki at:

https://wiki.contextgarden.net/Changes_Evolution

and included it into the list of sample documents.

Share and enjoy

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Re: [NTG-context] Documentation of change / Evolving documents

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> Am 29.09.2019 um 10:50 schrieb Wolfgang Schuster 
> :
> 
> Henning Hraban Ramm schrieb am 29.09.2019 um 10:36:
>>> Am 2019-09-29 um 08:59 schrieb Axel Kielhorn :
>>> 
>>> But I would prefer to write
>>> 
>>> \startChangeA{V. 2.0}
>>> Mit den Befehlen \type{\Changea}, \type{\Changer} und \type{\Changec} 
>>> werden hinzugefügte, gelöschte oder geänderte Satzteile gekennzeichnet. Der 
>>> Befehl \type{\Changec} hat zwei Argumente: alter Text und neuer Text.
>>> \stopChangeA
>> See https://wiki.contextgarden.net/Command/definestartstop
> 
> Another option: https://wiki.contextgarden.net/Command/startuserdata
> 
> Wolfgang

Thanks!
I’ll look into next weekend.

Greetings Axel

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Re: [NTG-context] Documentation of change / Evolving documents

[Wolfgang Schuster]

Henning Hraban Ramm schrieb am 29.09.2019 um 10:36:

Am 2019-09-29 um 08:59 schrieb Axel Kielhorn :

But I would prefer to write

\startChangeA{V. 2.0}
Mit den Befehlen \type{\Changea}, \type{\Changer} und \type{\Changec} werden 
hinzugefügte, gelöschte oder geänderte Satzteile gekennzeichnet. Der Befehl 
\type{\Changec} hat zwei Argumente: alter Text und neuer Text.
\stopChangeA

See https://wiki.contextgarden.net/Command/definestartstop


Another option: https://wiki.contextgarden.net/Command/startuserdata

Wolfgang

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Re: [NTG-context] Documentation of change / Evolving documents

[Henning Hraban Ramm]

> Am 2019-09-29 um 08:59 schrieb Axel Kielhorn :
> 
> But I would prefer to write
> 
> \startChangeA{V. 2.0}
> Mit den Befehlen \type{\Changea}, \type{\Changer} und \type{\Changec} werden 
> hinzugefügte, gelöschte oder geänderte Satzteile gekennzeichnet. Der Befehl 
> \type{\Changec} hat zwei Argumente: alter Text und neuer Text.
> \stopChangeA

See https://wiki.contextgarden.net/Command/definestartstop

> Or maybe:
> \startChangeA[version={V. 2.0}]

This could help: https://wiki.contextgarden.net/System_Macros/Handling_Arguments

> Once this is fixed I’d like to translate it to english and put it into the 
> Wiki.

Looking forward to it.


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Re: [NTG-context] Documentation of change / Evolving documents

[Axel Kielhorn]

> Am 19.01.2019 um 09:06 schrieb Axel Kielhorn :

Earlier this year I wrote a first attempt to document evolving documents.
In the meantime this document has evolved and I included the current version 
here.

There is only one thing I don’t like:

Currently I write:

\ChangeA{V. 2.0}{Mit den Befehlen \type{\Changea}, \type{\Changer} und 
\type{\Changec} werden hinzugefügte, gelöschte oder geänderte Satzteile 
gekennzeichnet. Der Befehl \type{\Changec} hat zwei Argumente: alter Text und 
neuer Text.}

But I would prefer to write

\startChangeA{V. 2.0}
Mit den Befehlen \type{\Changea}, \type{\Changer} und \type{\Changec} werden 
hinzugefügte, gelöschte oder geänderte Satzteile gekennzeichnet. Der Befehl 
\type{\Changec} hat zwei Argumente: alter Text und neuer Text.
\stopChangeA

Or maybe:
\startChangeA[version={V. 2.0}]

Once this is fixed I’d like to translate it to english and put it into the Wiki.

Greetings
Axel



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Re: [NTG-context] documentation sprint at 10th ConTeXt meeting

[Jan U. Hasecke]

Am 25.01.2016 um 18:20 schrieb Alan BRASLAU:
> On Mon, 25 Jan 2016 17:44:09 +0100
> Hans Hagen  wrote:
> 
>>> I would like to propose a documentation sprint at the meeting in
>>> Kalenberg this fall to improve the situation.  
>>
>> sure, just mail an abstract to Alan (who chairs the prog committee)
> 
> Documentation is an ongoing project... we discuss this regularly at the
> ConTeXt users meetings and make great resolutions about completing and
> updating it all. As Hans and Wolfgang point out, quite a lot of
> documentation is available on the Pragma website and more and more
> documentation is being included in the distribution. There are ongoing
> efforts to update older documents and new documents are being written.
> 
> We will definitely discuss this some more at the next meeting.

Great to hear that a sprint is planned.

I am not sure what kind of abstract I should send to Alan. If a sprint
is planned we could setup a sprint planning etherpad somewhere an add
items there so that participants can choose an item to work on.

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Re: [NTG-context] documentation sprint at 10th ConTeXt meeting

[Alan BRASLAU]

On Mon, 25 Jan 2016 17:44:09 +0100
Hans Hagen  wrote:

> > I would like to propose a documentation sprint at the meeting in
> > Kalenberg this fall to improve the situation.  
> 
> sure, just mail an abstract to Alan (who chairs the prog committee)

Documentation is an ongoing project... we discuss this regularly at the
ConTeXt users meetings and make great resolutions about completing and
updating it all. As Hans and Wolfgang point out, quite a lot of
documentation is available on the Pragma website and more and more
documentation is being included in the distribution. There are ongoing
efforts to update older documents and new documents are being written.

We will definitely discuss this some more at the next meeting.

Alan
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Re: [NTG-context] documentation sprint at 10th ConTeXt meeting

[Hans Hagen]

On 1/25/2016 3:44 PM, Jan U. Hasecke wrote:

Dear list,

are there any plans to have a documentation sprint at Kalenberg?


yes


I am currently trying to setup a small documentation about ConTeXt in
order to better learn how to use it, and I face several issues.

1. documentation is scattered. Sources of documentation are the Wiki and
a lot of PDF documents.


there are also some in the distribution


2. it is not always possible to decide whether a pdf document is related
to MKII or MKIV. So I start reading only to learn that it is outdated.


much mkii applies to mkiv (but you can forgot about things like 
encodings and such so for fonts best consult the latest)



3. I had the hope to access all commands via the xml interface mechanism
(showsetup) which could be a kind of auto generated documentation
(using: mtxrun --script server --auto) but it seems that not all
commands are accessible through this mechanism

I would like to propose a documentation sprint at the meeting in
Kalenberg this fall to improve the situation.


sure, just mail an abstract to Alan (who chairs the prog committee)

Hans


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Re: [NTG-context] documentation sprint at 10th ConTeXt meeting

[Jan U. Hasecke]

Am 25.01.2016 um 15:55 schrieb Wolfgang Schuster:
> Hans has a version info on his page for each PDF, e.g.
> http://pragma-ade.com/show-man-1.htm

In the "Manual" and in "Getting started" there is no mention of the new
startchapter command, which is mentioned on the wiki as a replacement of
the old \chapter command.

I know that \chapter is working just fine, but when the new command is
startstopchapter it would be nice to read about it.

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Re: [NTG-context] documentation sprint at 10th ConTeXt meeting

[Wolfgang Schuster]

Jan U. Hasecke 
25. Januar 2016 um 15:44
Dear list,

are there any plans to have a documentation sprint at Kalenberg?

I am currently trying to setup a small documentation about ConTeXt in
order to better learn how to use it, and I face several issues.

1. documentation is scattered. Sources of documentation are the Wiki and
a lot of PDF documents.

2. it is not always possible to decide whether a pdf document is related
to MKII or MKIV. So I start reading only to learn that it is outdated.
Hans has a version info on his page for each PDF, e.g. 
http://pragma-ade.com/show-man-1.htm


Wolfgang
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Re: [NTG-context] Documentation: full list of commands

[Hans Hagen]

On 8/9/2015 10:26 AM, juh wrote:

Hello,

even though the commands in the autogenerated command list
(http://www.pragma-ade.com/general/qrcs/setup-en.pdf) are not commented
the document is useful to me.

In a MWE on this list I saw the command \doifoddpage which is not in the
list.

Wiki and even Google does not find anything about this command. I think
that I kind of understand the command, but I wonder how many commands
are out there I've never heard of.

So my question: Is it possible to have a complete list of all commands
used in ConTeXt?


commands come in layers:

- general low level  : you can find a list of them in mult-low.lua (i 
sometimes add to them)


- specific low level : like the one you mention, these are normally 
quite stable (read: you can use them as they will stay around), there 
are quite some \doif* ones (no list, one needs to look into the source 
code re;ated to it) ... i have no time to make a list but if someone ...


- frequently used high level commands with low level fast callers : 
\framed sits in this category


- high level commands : lots of \setup, \define, \start and so ... we 
share the systematics as much as possible (also options)


- then there are defined commands (and users can add to them) : specific 
instances of section heads, verbatim, fonts etc


(some of the more obscure commands are described in articles and 
dedicated manuals)


Hans

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Re: [NTG-context] documentation

[Mojca Miklavec]

On Mon, Jul 7, 2014 at 9:10 PM, Philipp Gesang wrote:
> ·
>
>>  For some reason (isp/dns/something) the contextgarden.net
>> has been unavailiable to me since yesterday even though some verification
>> sites show it up and some show it down (http://www.isitdownrightnow.com
>> been one of the later).
>
> Confirmed. The wiki server (wiki.contextgarden.net) does not
> respond to ICMP requests. I remember having used the wiki only
> yesterday so it could be temporary outage. The git server
> (git.contextgarden.net) is still running, though.

Only wiki, live and modules are down (plus tlcontrib). Minimals and
alike still work.

The domain contextgarden.net points to one server, but apache
redirects to another and that second one is down. This might explain
why verification sites show different results.

Only Taco has access to hardware.

Mojca
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Re: [NTG-context] documentation

[Yuri Teixeira]

Thank you for the response. I'll keep this description in mind when looking
up stuff and contribute what I can in the wiki (which is still down for me).

YT


2014-07-08 4:57 GMT-03:00 Hans Hagen :

> On 7/7/2014 8:51 PM, Yuri Teixeira wrote:
>
>> Hello,
>> I'm sorry this probably is a dumb question but I'm really lost in my
>> searches. I'm new to context/tex and have been learning/finding
>> information in the wiki at the contextgarden.net
>>  for the past couple of weeks. Some of
>>
>> information there don't seem up to date but nothing unusual in an
>> unofficial wiki. For some reason (isp/dns/something) the
>> contextgarden.net  has been unavailiable to me
>>
>> since yesterday even though some verification sites show it up and some
>> show it down (http://www..isitdownrightnow.com
>>
>>  been one of the later). That got me
>> wondering if there are easy official docs. I've seen the pdfs at
>> pragma-ade.com  but the most general ones I tried
>>
>> are from 1999 (ms-cb-en.pdf) and 2001 (cont-eni.pdf). Are these up to
>> date with the current developments? I belive they are compatible but
>> having seen examples of changes in the wiki I a little unsure.
>> Furthermore, the parameter behavior description in the command reference
>> seem a bit... dry. So here's my plea for a little bit more love for the
>> documentation.
>> In any way, thank you very much for an awesome language, I'm glad I
>> researched thoroughly before jumping into latex.
>>
>
> When mechanisms in context are extended, we try to remain downward
> compatible, at least in functionality. Therefore the old manuals are
> normally okay (no need to fake updates with newer dates.) There are however
> a few core mechanisms that are obsolete and/or changed and those are input
> encodings (now always utf) and fonts (now always unicode - or mapped to
> unicode - using features cf open type and more).
>
> In practice input encodings and fonts have always been complex: what input
> encoding to choose and what font encoding to use, then running into
> availability of fonts, differences per language, differences per user. A
> bit of installation nightmare and user support as soon as it became less
> standard. By the time that had become easier (tex gyre and lm project) the
> move to opentype was made so most of the documentation had become somewhat
> obsolete.
>
> So, when using old manuals, keep in mind that encodings, regimes and fonts
> are less hassle now and no special commands are needed to use and combine
> these properties.
>
> In addition some mechanisms were extended and improved in mkiv (sectioning
> and so) which means that there are additional ways to configure them.
>
> That leaves mechanisms that are completely redone. One example is
> bibliographies, but users who need them will have no real problems adapting
> and these come with new manuals.
>
> Stick to mkiv. It's the one where the action takes place.
>
> Hans
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Re: [NTG-context] documentation

[Hans Hagen]

On 7/7/2014 8:51 PM, Yuri Teixeira wrote:

Hello,
I'm sorry this probably is a dumb question but I'm really lost in my
searches. I'm new to context/tex and have been learning/finding
information in the wiki at the contextgarden.net
 for the past couple of weeks. Some of
information there don't seem up to date but nothing unusual in an
unofficial wiki. For some reason (isp/dns/something) the
contextgarden.net  has been unavailiable to me
since yesterday even though some verification sites show it up and some
show it down (http://www..isitdownrightnow.com
 been one of the later). That got me
wondering if there are easy official docs. I've seen the pdfs at
pragma-ade.com  but the most general ones I tried
are from 1999 (ms-cb-en.pdf) and 2001 (cont-eni.pdf). Are these up to
date with the current developments? I belive they are compatible but
having seen examples of changes in the wiki I a little unsure.
Furthermore, the parameter behavior description in the command reference
seem a bit... dry. So here's my plea for a little bit more love for the
documentation.
In any way, thank you very much for an awesome language, I'm glad I
researched thoroughly before jumping into latex.


When mechanisms in context are extended, we try to remain downward 
compatible, at least in functionality. Therefore the old manuals are 
normally okay (no need to fake updates with newer dates.) There are 
however a few core mechanisms that are obsolete and/or changed and those 
are input encodings (now always utf) and fonts (now always unicode - or 
mapped to unicode - using features cf open type and more).


In practice input encodings and fonts have always been complex: what 
input encoding to choose and what font encoding to use, then running 
into availability of fonts, differences per language, differences per 
user. A bit of installation nightmare and user support as soon as it 
became less standard. By the time that had become easier (tex gyre and 
lm project) the move to opentype was made so most of the documentation 
had become somewhat obsolete.


So, when using old manuals, keep in mind that encodings, regimes and 
fonts are less hassle now and no special commands are needed to use and 
combine these properties.


In addition some mechanisms were extended and improved in mkiv 
(sectioning and so) which means that there are additional ways to 
configure them.


That leaves mechanisms that are completely redone. One example is 
bibliographies, but users who need them will have no real problems 
adapting and these come with new manuals.


Stick to mkiv. It's the one where the action takes place.

Hans

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Re: [NTG-context] documentation

[Philipp Gesang]

·

>  For some reason (isp/dns/something) the contextgarden.net
> has been unavailiable to me since yesterday even though some verification
> sites show it up and some show it down (http://www.isitdownrightnow.com
> been one of the later).

Confirmed. The wiki server (wiki.contextgarden.net) does not
respond to ICMP requests. I remember having used the wiki only
yesterday so it could be temporary outage. The git server
(git.contextgarden.net) is still running, though.

Best,
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Re: [NTG-context] Documentation for EPUB conversion

[Mica Semrick]

You will probably need CSS styling.

Maybe you can use one of the popular CSS reset or normalize stylesheets
available. I haven't tested, but http://necolas.github.io/normalize.css/ is
pretty popular.

Beware, a lot of EPUB rendering engines are crap, and there is not a lot of
conformity throughout various products. This seems sad... since it is just
XHTML.

-Mica


On Wed, Aug 28, 2013 at 9:29 AM, Thangalin  wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I ran the following simple document through ConTeXt:
>
> \setupbackend[export=yes,xhtml=yes]
>
> \enableregime[utf-8]
> \mainlanguage[en]
> \language[en]
>
> \setupexport[
>   title={A nice book},
>   author={John Doe},
>   firstpage={cover.jpg},
> ]
>
> \starttext
>   \startitemize
> \item First
> \item Second
> \item Third
>   \stopitemize
>
> \stoptext
>
> I then ran mtxrun:
>
> mtxrun --script epub --make t.specification
>
> This produced a document with the cover page correctly; however, the items
> were listed on a single line in the EPUB, instead of on lines by themselves.
>
> I have a couple of questions:
>
>- *Styling.* Is custom styling required to format bullet or numbered
>lists in the resulting EPUB XHTML document?
>- *Knowledge.* Would anyone be willing to share their experiences (and
>tips) for transforming ConTeXt documents to EPUB?
>- *Examples.* Where can I find examples of simple and complex ConTeXt
>documents being converted to EPUB documents having a similar layout?
>
> Many thanks and kind regards.
>
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Re: [NTG-context] Documentation for Bibliography on MKIV

[Pontus Lurcock]

On Sat 21 Jan 2012, Wagner Macedo wrote:

> I will read bib module manual. And, additionally, do you know if
> this MkIV support brings some facilities to interact with
> bibliography via Lua?

I'm not sure. The impression I have is that the new bibliography code
is still under development, so using anything other than the official
‘old’ interface might break in future versions. Hans can probably give
a more definitive answer on this.

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Re: [NTG-context] Documentation for Bibliography on MKIV

[Wagner Macedo]

Thanks.

I will read bib module manual. And, additionally, do you know if this MkIV
support brings some facilities to interact with bibliography via Lua?

--
Wagner Macedo


On 21 January 2012 21:36, Pontus Lurcock  wrote:

> Although the code has been rewritten, the user interface is largely
> the same as far as I know, so the Mk II documentation in
> http://modules.contextgarden.net/bibman still applies. (It is no
> longer necessary to include the \usemodule[bib] and \usemodule[bibltx]
> commands, however.)
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Re: [NTG-context] Documentation for Bibliography on MKIV

[Pontus Lurcock]

On Sat 21 Jan 2012, Wagner Macedo wrote:

> Hello,
> 
> In http://wiki.contextgarden.net/Bibliography_mkiv, it's little talked
> about bibliography support on MKIV.
> 
> Does yet exist a documentation about how to use it?

Although the code has been rewritten, the user interface is largely
the same as far as I know, so the Mk II documentation in
http://modules.contextgarden.net/bibman still applies. (It is no
longer necessary to include the \usemodule[bib] and \usemodule[bibltx]
commands, however.)

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Re: [NTG-context] Documentation for \completecontent

[Wolfgang Werners-Lucchini]

> Follows is an example of a document that illustrates 1, above:
> 
> \starttext 
> \startfrontmatter
> 
> \completecontent[alternative=c]
> 
> \setuppagenumbering[state=start,alternative=doublesided,conversion=r
> omannume
> rals]
> 
> \chapter{Preface}
> \input knuth
> 
> \chapter{Introduction}
> \input knuth
> 
> \setuppagenumbering[state=start,alternative=doublesided,conversion=n
> umbers]
> \setuppagenumber[state=start,number=1]
> 
> \stopfrontmatter
> 
> \startbodymatter
> 
> \chapter{Chapter One}
> \input knuth
> 
> \chapter{Chapter Two}
> \input knuth
> \stopbodymatter
> 
> \startappendices
> 
> \page[stop]
> 
> \stopappendices
> 
> \stoptext

This example doesn't produce roman numerals with

ConTeXt  ver: 2010.04.16 00:11 MKIV  fmt: 2010.4.16  int: 
english/english

With mkii they are ok.

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Re: [NTG-context] Documentation for \completecontent

[Tom Benjey]

Whoops! I misstated what is happening. I confused myself. Item 2 is the
problem. The TOC and book order are correct. It's just that the introduction
can't have the same fancy header as the chapters without placing that same
header on the TOC, etc.

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Re: [NTG-context] Documentation for \completecontent

[Wolfgang Schuster]

Am 18.04.10 19:42, schrieb Tom:

http://wiki.contextgarden.net/Category:Reference/en includes no references
for \completecontent or \placecontent. "Context the Manual" discusses the
commands a bit but does not define them. Given that \completecontent is
listed in group 2 of the Top Ten Context commands that a beginner might
focus his or her attention on in the introduction to "Context the Manual,"
one might expect a bit more documentation of the command.

I have two problems related to the table of contents that I can't resolve
from my understanding of the documentation:
   

- http://wiki.contextgarden.net/Reference/en/definecombinedlist
- http://wiki.contextgarden.net/Reference/en/completecombinedlist
- http://wiki.contextgarden.net/Reference/en/setupcombinedlist

1. The table of contents is printed out of order in the PDF. It seems that
\completecontent must appear before the preface or foreword if they are to
be listed in the TOC. However, the Chicago Manual of Style calls for them to
be placed before the TOC in the book.
   

\completecontent[criterium=all]

2. The introduction is placed in the frontmatter because placing it in the
bodymatter causes it to be treated as chapter 1. This location results in
the introduction having the same first page header as front matter. That
means that the introduction cannot be given a "fancy" first page similar to
the numbered chapters without giving it to the TOC, etc.
   

\definehead[mycontenttitle][chapter]

\setuphead[mycontenttitle][number=no,...] % fancy setup for the toc header

...

\starttext

\mycontenttitle{Content} % the header for the toc

\placecontent % place the toc *without* a header

...

\stoptext

Wolfgang

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Re: [NTG-context] Documentation

[Alain Delmotte]

Hans Hagen a écrit :

Alain Delmotte wrote:


I have downloaded a great part of the documentation (59 files or so).
But if I understood well, there has been big changes between Mark II 
and Mark IV/Lua.

The documentation seems more linked to MkII.

Is mk.pdf the file to use (in conjonction with another?)?


mk is the development history of luatex / mkiv till version 0.50; it 
definitely shows some mkiv trickery but as we're mostly upward 
compatible the wiki might be a better place to start


I like cont-eni.pdf but I'd like to have it as print not to be seen 
on screen (old habit of work - or habit of work of old!!)


taco and i are thinking about a solution for providing printed manuals 
at some point


Thanks,

Alain


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Re: [NTG-context] Documentation

[Hans Hagen]

Alain Delmotte wrote:


I have downloaded a great part of the documentation (59 files or so).
But if I understood well, there has been big changes between Mark II and 
Mark IV/Lua.

The documentation seems more linked to MkII.

Is mk.pdf the file to use (in conjonction with another?)?


mk is the development history of luatex / mkiv till version 0.50; it 
definitely shows some mkiv trickery but as we're mostly upward 
compatible the wiki might be a better place to start


I like cont-eni.pdf but I'd like to have it as print not to be seen on 
screen (old habit of work - or habit of work of old!!)


taco and i are thinking about a solution for providing printed manuals 
at some point


Hans

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Re: [NTG-context] Documentation

[luigi scarso]

On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 4:54 PM, Alain Delmotte
 wrote:
> Hi!
>
> First, sorry to have sent the previous message twice. I didn't check for the
> sending email, received a bounce, resent to discover it passed to the list.
>
> I have downloaded a great part of the documentation (59 files or so).
> But if I understood well, there has been big changes between Mark II and
> Mark IV/Lua.
> The documentation seems more linked to MkII.
>
> Is mk.pdf the file to use (in conjonction with another?)?
it's ok
>
> I like cont-eni.pdf but I'd like to have it as print not to be seen on
> screen (old habit of work - or habit of work of old!!)
there is a copy for print too.
google  http://www.pragma-ade.nl

Fore the rest

** U S E  T H E  W I K I  **,

this mailing list,

and stay in tune :)


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Re: [NTG-context] Documentation (Re: PhD Thesis in ConTeXt)

[luigi scarso]

On Fri, Oct 24, 2008 at 12:30 AM, Marcin Borkowski <
[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Dnia Thu, Oct 23, 2008 at 05:38:44PM +0200, Taco Hoekwater napisał(a):
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > John Devereux wrote:
> > >
> > > I myself am very interested in *reading* it - I was delighted to see
> > > the new fonts chapter and the new documention project in general. But
> > > I am not sure I can contribute much. I am much more of a "consumer"
> > > than a "producer", of accurate information. Partly due to lack of time,
> > > but also lack of knowledge :)
> >
> > There actually is something you (and everybody else) can do: provide
> > feedback on the current version of the manual(s). For example, it
> > would be nice to know whether there are errors or unclarities in it
> > (or omissions, but that actually does require knowledge).
> >
> > For an easy start, the two pdfs of the "typography" and "fonts"
> > chapters are on-line:
> >
> >
> http://context.aanhet.net/svn/contextman/context-reference/en/co-typography.pdf
> >
> http://context.aanhet.net/svn/contextman/context-reference/en/co-fonts.pdf
>

Also see
http://meeting.contextgarden.net/2008/talks/2008-08-24-taco-typescripts/liberation.tex


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Re: [NTG-context] Documentation (Re: PhD Thesis in ConTeXt)

[Marcin Borkowski]

Dnia Thu, Oct 23, 2008 at 05:38:44PM +0200, Taco Hoekwater napisał(a):
> 
> Hi,
> 
> John Devereux wrote:
> > 
> > I myself am very interested in *reading* it - I was delighted to see
> > the new fonts chapter and the new documention project in general. But
> > I am not sure I can contribute much. I am much more of a "consumer"
> > than a "producer", of accurate information. Partly due to lack of time,
> > but also lack of knowledge :)
> 
> There actually is something you (and everybody else) can do: provide
> feedback on the current version of the manual(s). For example, it
> would be nice to know whether there are errors or unclarities in it
> (or omissions, but that actually does require knowledge).
> 
> For an easy start, the two pdfs of the "typography" and "fonts"
> chapters are on-line:
> 
> http://context.aanhet.net/svn/contextman/context-reference/en/co-typography.pdf
> http://context.aanhet.net/svn/contextman/context-reference/en/co-fonts.pdf
> 
> The other chapters are a bit harder to comment on because (currently)
> you have to be able to compile the manual yourself to read the pdfs.
> Anyway, in and below the same folder are all needed sources:
> 
>http://context.aanhet.net/svn/contextman/context-reference/en
> 
> (Maybe someone could put the current full pdf online somewhere?)
> 
> There also is a mailing list specifically about the new manual:
> 
>http://lists.foundry.supelec.fr/mailman/listinfo/contextman-reference
> 
> Best wishes,
> Taco

Wow!  You've answered my questions even before I asked them!!!

//TeX hacking is a pathway to many abilities some consider to be,
  ekhm, unnatural.//

(Not really a SW fan, but I just couldn't resist;).)

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Re: [NTG-context] documentation, was PhD Thesis in ConTeXt

[Alan BRASLAU]

I like the manuals very much (!),
yet I have found that I must also turn
to the wiki, google, browsing the source code
or this mailing list to answer some of my questions.
I have now reached a point on the learning curve were
I really appreciate the careful design that has gone into
context, and would really like to see the manuals updated.
I did not contribute to this discussion to complain
and would be willing to participate (modestly, with the little
time available, as is the case for everyone!).

Taco has gotten to the point that someone must manage
the rewriting of the documentation, but other help is also needed.
Once I learn how to download and compile the complete sources,
I will then see where I feel that I might have enough knowledge
to do (a little) something...

Alan

On Thursday 23 October 2008 16:37:23 Taco Hoekwater wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Aditya Mahajan wrote:
> > On Wed, 22 Oct 2008, Alan BRASLAU wrote:
> >> My question to the mailing list: is this task structured? Is this being
> >> managed by anyone?
> >
> > Unfortunately, not.
>
> Aditya's reply sums it up pretty well. I just want to add a quick note.
>
> After at least half a dozen reiterations of this discussion (and it
> is indeed always exactly the same discussion), I have now reached the
> point where I no longer feel the slightest need to take any action any
> more. From where I stand, it seems that the unhappy people just want
> to complain about, but are not willing to help improve the existing
> documentation, and that the happy people just want to post pointers
> but fail to see a real need to improve anything.
>
> I myself would be much more willing to spend time on (managing|writing)
> the manual if there were any people showing an active interest in it.
>
> Best wishes,
> Taco
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Re: [NTG-context] Documentation (Re: PhD Thesis in ConTeXt)

[Rory Molinari]

Hi,

Taco Hoekwater wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> John Devereux wrote:

> There actually is something you (and everybody else) can do: provide
> feedback on the current version of the manual(s). For example, it
> would be nice to know whether there are errors or unclarities in it
> (or omissions, but that actually does require knowledge).

I am very much a ConTeXt beginner and so I don't feel capable of reading 
the documentation to find ConTeXt-related errors or omissions.  However, 
I would be glad to help by looking for typos, spelling errors, etc. 
(Actually, I rarely find spelling errors in the documentation but 
sometimes I see phrasing and grammar that isn't wrong, but "sounds 
funny" to a native English speaker.)

Due to a long commute on the train I find myself with plenty of time for 
reading, so I'd be glad to help in any way I can.  I am sorry that you 
have felt unsupported in your efforts to update the documentation; I am 
one of the users who (silently) wishes for more up to date documents but 
has done nothing to help.

> 
> For an easy start, the two pdfs of the "typography" and "fonts"
> chapters are on-line:
> 
> http://context.aanhet.net/svn/contextman/context-reference/en/co-typography.pdf
> http://context.aanhet.net/svn/contextman/context-reference/en/co-fonts.pdf

I will start with these.

> 
> The other chapters are a bit harder to comment on because (currently)
> you have to be able to compile the manual yourself to read the pdfs.

Perhaps someone who is able to compile the manual could upload pdf copies?

> Best wishes,
> Taco

Thanks for all your work on ConTeXt, Taco (and Hans of course, along 
with Aditya, Wolfgang, et al.)

Rory
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Re: [NTG-context] Documentation [a bit OT]

[Patrick Gundlach]

Hi,

> Looking for help I've spent a lot of time switching between wiki and
> mailing list, so I created a Google Custom Search, focused on
> Context,.located here

what's wrong with the google search on contextgarden.net? It only
searches relevant places, just like yours.

Patrick
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Re: [NTG-context] Documentation [a bit OT]

[Hans Hagen]

Diego Depaoli wrote:
> Looking for help I've spent a lot of time switching between wiki and
> mailing list, so I created a Google Custom Search, focused on
> Context,.located here
> http://www.google.com/coop/cse?cx=00319400283590192:0plsycrlzcu
> Suggestions and improvements are welcome.

nice (and fast too). (but a funny sponsored link -)

Hans


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