RE: Dell windows 8 COA
How about on any of the paperwork/booklets that came with the system(s)? Note: I haven't worked with Dell hardware for quite some time... Regards, Don Guyer Catholic Health East - Information Technology Enterprise Directory Messaging Services 3805 West Chester Pike, Suite 100, Newtown Square, Pa 19073 email: dgu...@che.org Office: 610.550.3595 | Cell: 610.955.6528 | Fax: 610.271.9440 For immediate assistance, please open a Service Desk ticket or call the helpdesk @ 610-492-3839. -Original Message- From: Nigel Parker [mailto:nigel.par...@ultraframe.co.uk] Sent: Monday, February 04, 2013 7:13 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Dell windows 8 COA Hi Just purchased a few Dell desktop machine with windows 8 And a server (dell ) with 2008 server standard Although the desktops have a bronze sticker on the back with the windows flag and the words windows 8 I cant find a COA sticker with a key anywhere on the machine inside, outside , top bottom Looking at other manufacturers they seem to have a standard COA sticker The server also has no COA on the machine anywhere Can anyone enlighten me The machines do have windows 8 and server operating systems on them Nigel Parker Systems Engineer Ultraframe (UK) Ltd Tel: 01200 452329 Fax: 01200 452201 Web: www.ultraframe.com Email: mailto:nigel.par...@ultraframe.co.uk Please consider the environment before printing this e-mail. The statements and opinions expressed in this email are my own and may not represent those of Ultraframe (UK) Ltd. This email is subject to copyright and the information contained in it is confidential and may be legally privileged. It is sent out only for intended recipient(s). Access to this email by anyone else is unauthorised. If you are not an intended recipient, any disclosure, copying, distribution or other use or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it, is prohibited and unlawful. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin Confidentiality Notice: This e-mail, including any attachments is the property of Catholic Health East and is intended for the sole use of the intended recipient(s). It may contain information that is privileged and confidential. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure, or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please delete this message, and reply to the sender regarding the error in a separate email. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
RE: Dell windows 8 COA
There should be a Microsoft key on a sticker if OEM was ordered with it. John W. Cook Network Operations Manager Partnership For Strong Families 5950 NW 1st Place Gainesville, Fl 32607 Office (352) 244-1610 Cell (352) 215-6944 MCSE, MCP+I, MCTS, CompTIA A+, N+, VSP4, VTSP4 -Original Message- From: Guyer, Don [mailto:dgu...@che.org] Sent: Monday, February 04, 2013 8:02 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Dell windows 8 COA How about on any of the paperwork/booklets that came with the system(s)? Note: I haven't worked with Dell hardware for quite some time... Regards, Don Guyer Catholic Health East - Information Technology Enterprise Directory Messaging Services 3805 West Chester Pike, Suite 100, Newtown Square, Pa 19073 email: dgu...@che.org Office: 610.550.3595 | Cell: 610.955.6528 | Fax: 610.271.9440 For immediate assistance, please open a Service Desk ticket or call the helpdesk @ 610-492-3839. -Original Message- From: Nigel Parker [mailto:nigel.par...@ultraframe.co.uk] Sent: Monday, February 04, 2013 7:13 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Dell windows 8 COA Hi Just purchased a few Dell desktop machine with windows 8 And a server (dell ) with 2008 server standard Although the desktops have a bronze sticker on the back with the windows flag and the words windows 8 I cant find a COA sticker with a key anywhere on the machine inside, outside , top bottom Looking at other manufacturers they seem to have a standard COA sticker The server also has no COA on the machine anywhere Can anyone enlighten me The machines do have windows 8 and server operating systems on them Nigel Parker Systems Engineer Ultraframe (UK) Ltd Tel: 01200 452329 Fax: 01200 452201 Web: www.ultraframe.com Email: mailto:nigel.par...@ultraframe.co.uk Please consider the environment before printing this e-mail. The statements and opinions expressed in this email are my own and may not represent those of Ultraframe (UK) Ltd. This email is subject to copyright and the information contained in it is confidential and may be legally privileged. It is sent out only for intended recipient(s). Access to this email by anyone else is unauthorised. If you are not an intended recipient, any disclosure, copying, distribution or other use or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it, is prohibited and unlawful. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin Confidentiality Notice: This e-mail, including any attachments is the property of Catholic Health East and is intended for the sole use of the intended recipient(s). It may contain information that is privileged and confidential. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure, or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please delete this message, and reply to the sender regarding the error in a separate email. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin CONFIDENTIALITY STATEMENT: The information transmitted, or contained or attached to or with this Notice is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain Protected Health Information (PHI), confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, transmission, dissemination, or other use of, and taking any action in reliance upon this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient without the express written consent of the sender are prohibited. This information may be protected by the Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act of 1996 (HIPAA), and other Federal and Florida laws. Improper or unauthorized use or disclosure of this information could result in civil and/or criminal penalties. Consider the environment. Please don't print this e-mail unless you really need to. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
Re: Dell windows 8 COA
On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 7:13 AM, Nigel Parker nigel.par...@ultraframe.co.uk wrote: Although the desktops have a bronze sticker on the back with the windows flag and the words windows 8 I cant find a COA sticker with a key anywhere on the machine inside, outside , top bottom A unique, unit-specific code is embedded in the firmware (ACPI BIOS). You don't get a Certificate of Authenticity or Product Ley. Microsoft is encouraging their large OEMs (like Dell) to do this. Toshiba laptop I just bought is the same way. Keywords: OA 3.0 SLP, OA = OEM Activation, SLP = System Locked Pre-Installation I've seen claims that if the motherboard is replaced, the OEM is supposed to provide a printed card with a new Product Key, to allow the existing install to continue to be used. Haven't confirmed that with a reliable source yet. I don't know what happens if you try to use a generic OEM disc to do a clean install (i.e., without vendor shovelware) in such cases. -- Ben ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
RE: Dell windows 8 COA
Hi No no paperwork has a coa with it Thanks -Original Message- From: Guyer, Don [mailto:dgu...@che.org] Sent: 04 February 2013 13:02 To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Dell windows 8 COA How about on any of the paperwork/booklets that came with the system(s)? Note: I haven't worked with Dell hardware for quite some time... Regards, Don Guyer Catholic Health East - Information Technology Enterprise Directory Messaging Services 3805 West Chester Pike, Suite 100, Newtown Square, Pa 19073 email: dgu...@che.org Office: 610.550.3595 | Cell: 610.955.6528 | Fax: 610.271.9440 For immediate assistance, please open a Service Desk ticket or call the helpdesk @ 610-492-3839. -Original Message- From: Nigel Parker [mailto:nigel.par...@ultraframe.co.uk] Sent: Monday, February 04, 2013 7:13 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Dell windows 8 COA Hi Just purchased a few Dell desktop machine with windows 8 And a server (dell ) with 2008 server standard Although the desktops have a bronze sticker on the back with the windows flag and the words windows 8 I cant find a COA sticker with a key anywhere on the machine inside, outside , top bottom Looking at other manufacturers they seem to have a standard COA sticker The server also has no COA on the machine anywhere Can anyone enlighten me The machines do have windows 8 and server operating systems on them Nigel Parker Systems Engineer Ultraframe (UK) Ltd Tel: 01200 452329 Fax: 01200 452201 Web: www.ultraframe.com Email: mailto:nigel.par...@ultraframe.co.uk Please consider the environment before printing this e-mail. The statements and opinions expressed in this email are my own and may not represent those of Ultraframe (UK) Ltd. This email is subject to copyright and the information contained in it is confidential and may be legally privileged. It is sent out only for intended recipient(s). Access to this email by anyone else is unauthorised. If you are not an intended recipient, any disclosure, copying, distribution or other use or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it, is prohibited and unlawful. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin Confidentiality Notice: This e-mail, including any attachments is the property of Catholic Health East and is intended for the sole use of the intended recipient(s). It may contain information that is privileged and confidential. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure, or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please delete this message, and reply to the sender regarding the error in a separate email. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin Please consider the environment before printing this e-mail. The statements and opinions expressed in this email are my own and may not represent those of Ultraframe (UK) Ltd. This email is subject to copyright and the information contained in it is confidential and may be legally privileged. It is sent out only for intended recipient(s). Access to this email by anyone else is unauthorised. If you are not an intended recipient, any disclosure, copying, distribution or other use or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it, is prohibited and unlawful. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
RE: Dell windows 8 COA
The windows 8 PRO discs we get from MS as part of our enterprise agreement come with their own product key. I've used one to do a clean install on a dell ultrabook that came with windows 8 HOME. It automatically used the key embedded in bios and installed as home, not pro. Sent from my Windows Phone From: Ben Scott Sent: 2/4/2013 7:59 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Dell windows 8 COA On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 7:13 AM, Nigel Parker nigel.par...@ultraframe.co.uk wrote: Although the desktops have a bronze sticker on the back with the windows flag and the words windows 8 I cant find a COA sticker with a key anywhere on the machine inside, outside , top bottom A unique, unit-specific code is embedded in the firmware (ACPI BIOS). You don't get a Certificate of Authenticity or Product Ley. Microsoft is encouraging their large OEMs (like Dell) to do this. Toshiba laptop I just bought is the same way. Keywords: OA 3.0 SLP, OA = OEM Activation, SLP = System Locked Pre-Installation I've seen claims that if the motherboard is replaced, the OEM is supposed to provide a printed card with a new Product Key, to allow the existing install to continue to be used. Haven't confirmed that with a reliable source yet. I don't know what happens if you try to use a generic OEM disc to do a clean install (i.e., without vendor shovelware) in such cases. -- Ben ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
RE: Dell windows 8 COA
Hi I think this may be the case --- A unique, unit-specific code is embedded in the firmware (ACPI BIOS). You don't get a Certificate of Authenticity or Product Ley. Microsoft is encouraging their large OEMs (like Dell) to do this. Toshiba laptop I just bought is the same way. -- Thanks I just thought it was strange not to see a COA on the machine and didn't want to get Burnt if we have any sort of audit Regards Nigel -Original Message- From: Ben Scott [mailto:mailvor...@gmail.com] Sent: 04 February 2013 13:58 To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Dell windows 8 COA On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 7:13 AM, Nigel Parker nigel.par...@ultraframe.co.uk wrote: Although the desktops have a bronze sticker on the back with the windows flag and the words windows 8 I cant find a COA sticker with a key anywhere on the machine inside, outside , top bottom A unique, unit-specific code is embedded in the firmware (ACPI BIOS). You don't get a Certificate of Authenticity or Product Ley. Microsoft is encouraging their large OEMs (like Dell) to do this. Toshiba laptop I just bought is the same way. Keywords: OA 3.0 SLP, OA = OEM Activation, SLP = System Locked Pre-Installation I've seen claims that if the motherboard is replaced, the OEM is supposed to provide a printed card with a new Product Key, to allow the existing install to continue to be used. Haven't confirmed that with a reliable source yet. I don't know what happens if you try to use a generic OEM disc to do a clean install (i.e., without vendor shovelware) in such cases. -- Ben ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin Please consider the environment before printing this e-mail. The statements and opinions expressed in this email are my own and may not represent those of Ultraframe (UK) Ltd. This email is subject to copyright and the information contained in it is confidential and may be legally privileged. It is sent out only for intended recipient(s). Access to this email by anyone else is unauthorised. If you are not an intended recipient, any disclosure, copying, distribution or other use or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it, is prohibited and unlawful. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
RE: Dell windows 8 COA
My wife's new Toshiba Win8 laptop has no COA sticker. Thanks Webster -Original Message- From: Nigel Parker [mailto:nigel.par...@ultraframe.co.uk] Subject: Dell windows 8 COA Hi Just purchased a few Dell desktop machine with windows 8 And a server (dell ) with 2008 server standard Although the desktops have a bronze sticker on the back with the windows flag and the words windows 8 I cant find a COA sticker with a key anywhere on the machine inside, outside , top bottom Looking at other manufacturers they seem to have a standard COA sticker The server also has no COA on the machine anywhere Can anyone enlighten me The machines do have windows 8 and server operating systems on them ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
RE: SMB IT provider Q
I am similar, I am fortunate that my SMB clients run similar hardware and Hyper-V, and if my home server was powerful enough I wouldn't feel the need to try and charge for it. I too shoot for consistency (ok, except anti-virus vendors). I've been doing SMB support for 12 years now and also have yet to need this service but that doesn't mean it might not happen. Perhaps I'll give them the options and see how they vote. From: Art DeKneef [mailto:art.dekn...@cox.net] Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2013 4:41 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: SMB IT provider Q That is a service I provide my clients. But I haven't charged them for the service. Probably because in the past 20 years I have been running my own shop I had to bring in a temp server just twice. And because both times the office was broken into and the server was stolen. Different clients. At one client the thieves were kind enough to remove the backup tape from the server and left it on the table. All my servers are basically the same based on the software installed. Meaning all my physical single SBS 2011 servers are the same, servers for Hyper-V hosting are the same. I also work in the SMB space and this has worked well for me for several years. I like consistency. I have a 4 server lab currently. If a customer needed a server for something RIGHT NOW I would pull one of the lab servers. The lab servers are almost identical to customer servers. There have 32 GB instead of 16 GB RAM. Like Mike said, needing a server like this is very rare. Or has been in my experience. If there is a server problem you usually will have some kind of warning and can go from there. Having a good backup plan and disaster recovery options are better options I think. Art From: David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org] Sent: Sunday, February 3, 2013 12:46 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: SMB IT provider Q This is actually the other idea I was considering, have this 2nd server host the patching/anti-virus, etc stuff on a VM and the host could also store the backup images and be leveraged in an emergency. From: Mike Hoffman [mailto:m...@drumbrae.net] Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2013 10:56 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: SMB IT provider Q Why not give the clients each a server which can be re-tasked at short notice? If you store the backup images on a device that you can hyper-v up if necessary then it has great value for the client to have available for themselves. We have a few servers running Hyper-v which we are reconfiguring to do some failover - the plan is that if we need a server at short notice we simply sacrifice the failovers and move the box. The licensing is taken care via a SPLA license or the clients existing licenses. It is very rate to actually need to deploy a spare server, think of recovery objectives. If the server is down they can still work, emails can back-up with the ISP, individual files can be recovered and any server repairs (e.g. new backplane) can be scheduled to minimise disruption. If a client really needs that level of redundancy then they can afford to pay fully for it. 25 users, $4 per user per month = $1200 per year. Don't promise what you can't deliver, but you know the clients well. It might be worth getting involved with a local IT company just to cover your back just in case. Mike From: Ben M. Schorr [mailto:b...@rolandschorr.com] Sent: 03 February 2013 17:31 To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: SMB IT provider Q I'd probably offer it as a service for a nominal fee - maybe $25 a month per customer? Of course you run the risk of having multiple customers suffer failures at the same time and they'll be rightfully upset if you don't have the spare hardware available to get them back up when that happens... Ben M. Schorr Chief Executive Officer Roland Schorr Tower - Flagstaff Office 928-526-3970 www.rolandschorr.comhttp://www.rolandschorr.com/ * www.twitter.com/bschorrhttp://www.twitter.com/bschorr * www.facebook.com/RolandSchorrhttp://www.facebook.com/RolandSchorr From: David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org] Sent: Sunday, February 3, 2013 10:11 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: SMB IT provider Q I have a couple of clients and they both run SBS2011 Premium in their environments and in both cases I have them on Dell hardware and on top of Hyper-V hosts. It makes sense to me to have ready spare hardware, and it seems to me if I had one server in my lab ready to go as a temporary stand-in Hyper-V host I could offer this as a cheaper alternative as to asking them to have a full 2nd server onsite in a cluster. My thinking is: * Have one server, just powerful enough to work as a stand-in server in either environment (16GB RAM, enough SAS disk space to cover the biggest Hyper-V host) with an IT Garage licensed 2008 R2 Host OS (both my clients are running this). * If either client has a hard server failure, I run my hardware out and
RE: SMB IT provider Q
How about making sure the boss gets a workstation class machine as his desktop? That way in the event of an incident (when the boss will be busy running around doing other things) you can drop the drives in and reboot. This might only cost a few £100 more when he next gets a new desktop. I know of one guy who used to always use workstation class machines for SBS anyway - so if you have a few in the office you have redundancy on site. Mike From: David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org] Sent: 04 February 2013 15:35 To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: SMB IT provider Q I am similar, I am fortunate that my SMB clients run similar hardware and Hyper-V, and if my home server was powerful enough I wouldn't feel the need to try and charge for it. I too shoot for consistency (ok, except anti-virus vendors). I've been doing SMB support for 12 years now and also have yet to need this service but that doesn't mean it might not happen. Perhaps I'll give them the options and see how they vote. From: Art DeKneef [mailto:art.dekn...@cox.net] Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2013 4:41 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: SMB IT provider Q That is a service I provide my clients. But I haven't charged them for the service. Probably because in the past 20 years I have been running my own shop I had to bring in a temp server just twice. And because both times the office was broken into and the server was stolen. Different clients. At one client the thieves were kind enough to remove the backup tape from the server and left it on the table. All my servers are basically the same based on the software installed. Meaning all my physical single SBS 2011 servers are the same, servers for Hyper-V hosting are the same. I also work in the SMB space and this has worked well for me for several years. I like consistency. I have a 4 server lab currently. If a customer needed a server for something RIGHT NOW I would pull one of the lab servers. The lab servers are almost identical to customer servers. There have 32 GB instead of 16 GB RAM. Like Mike said, needing a server like this is very rare. Or has been in my experience. If there is a server problem you usually will have some kind of warning and can go from there. Having a good backup plan and disaster recovery options are better options I think. Art From: David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org] Sent: Sunday, February 3, 2013 12:46 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: SMB IT provider Q This is actually the other idea I was considering, have this 2nd server host the patching/anti-virus, etc stuff on a VM and the host could also store the backup images and be leveraged in an emergency. From: Mike Hoffman [mailto:m...@drumbrae.net] Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2013 10:56 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: SMB IT provider Q Why not give the clients each a server which can be re-tasked at short notice? If you store the backup images on a device that you can hyper-v up if necessary then it has great value for the client to have available for themselves. We have a few servers running Hyper-v which we are reconfiguring to do some failover - the plan is that if we need a server at short notice we simply sacrifice the failovers and move the box. The licensing is taken care via a SPLA license or the clients existing licenses. It is very rate to actually need to deploy a spare server, think of recovery objectives. If the server is down they can still work, emails can back-up with the ISP, individual files can be recovered and any server repairs (e.g. new backplane) can be scheduled to minimise disruption. If a client really needs that level of redundancy then they can afford to pay fully for it. 25 users, $4 per user per month = $1200 per year. Don't promise what you can't deliver, but you know the clients well. It might be worth getting involved with a local IT company just to cover your back just in case. Mike From: Ben M. Schorr [mailto:b...@rolandschorr.com] Sent: 03 February 2013 17:31 To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: SMB IT provider Q I'd probably offer it as a service for a nominal fee - maybe $25 a month per customer? Of course you run the risk of having multiple customers suffer failures at the same time and they'll be rightfully upset if you don't have the spare hardware available to get them back up when that happens... Ben M. Schorr Chief Executive Officer Roland Schorr Tower - Flagstaff Office 928-526-3970 www.rolandschorr.comhttp://www.rolandschorr.com/ * www.twitter.com/bschorrhttp://www.twitter.com/bschorr * www.facebook.com/RolandSchorrhttp://www.facebook.com/RolandSchorr From: David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org] Sent: Sunday, February 3, 2013 10:11 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: SMB IT provider Q I have a couple of clients and they both run SBS2011 Premium in their environments and in both cases I have them on Dell hardware and on top of Hyper-V hosts. It makes sense to me to have
Re: On a lighter note for a Friday, Passed my CISA exam (UNCLASSIFIED)
congratulations! good work! :D - mark On Sun, Feb 3, 2013 at 10:47 AM, Andrew S. Baker asbz...@gmail.com wrote: Congrats, Z... *ASB **http://XeeMe.com/AndrewBaker* http://xeeme.com/AndrewBaker* **Providing Virtual CIO Services (IT Operations Information Security) for the SMB market…*** On Fri, Feb 1, 2013 at 4:09 PM, Kent, Larry J CTR (US) larry.j.kent2@mail.mil wrote: Classification: UNCLASSIFIED Caveats: NONE Congrats! -Original Message- From: Ziots, Edward [mailto:ezi...@lifespan.org] Sent: Friday, February 01, 2013 2:54 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: On a lighter note for a Friday, Passed my CISA exam Just got the official email that I passed my CISA exam, so I guess another Certification on the title and looking forward to the auditing work that comes with it. Z Edward E. Ziots, CISSP, Security +, Network + Security Engineer Lifespan Organization ezi...@lifespan.org This electronic message and any attachments may be privileged and confidential and protected from disclosure. If you are reading this message, but are not the intended recipient, nor an employee or agent responsible for delivering this message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that you are strictly prohibited from copying, printing, forwarding or otherwise disseminating this communication. If you have received this communication in error, please immediately notify the sender by replying to the message. Then, delete the message from your computer. Thank you. Description: Description: Lifespan ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin Classification: UNCLASSIFIED Caveats: NONE ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
RE: Dell windows 8 COA
I don't know that the key is embedded in the BIOS so much that the OS install looks for some specific BIOS properties, I've been able to re-install via CD across various Dell models (I can install XPSP3 on a machine that came with XPSP2, for example). Dave From: Crawford, Scott [mailto:crawfo...@evangel.edu] Sent: Monday, February 04, 2013 6:49 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Dell windows 8 COA The windows 8 PRO discs we get from MS as part of our enterprise agreement come with their own product key. I've used one to do a clean install on a dell ultrabook that came with windows 8 HOME. It automatically used the key embedded in bios and installed as home, not pro. Sent from my Windows Phone From: Ben Scott Sent: 2/4/2013 7:59 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Dell windows 8 COA On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 7:13 AM, Nigel Parker nigel.par...@ultraframe.co.ukmailto:nigel.par...@ultraframe.co.uk wrote: Although the desktops have a bronze sticker on the back with the windows flag and the words windows 8 I cant find a COA sticker with a key anywhere on the machine inside, outside , top bottom A unique, unit-specific code is embedded in the firmware (ACPI BIOS). You don't get a Certificate of Authenticity or Product Ley. Microsoft is encouraging their large OEMs (like Dell) to do this. Toshiba laptop I just bought is the same way. Keywords: OA 3.0 SLP, OA = OEM Activation, SLP = System Locked Pre-Installation I've seen claims that if the motherboard is replaced, the OEM is supposed to provide a printed card with a new Product Key, to allow the existing install to continue to be used. Haven't confirmed that with a reliable source yet. I don't know what happens if you try to use a generic OEM disc to do a clean install (i.e., without vendor shovelware) in such cases. -- Ben ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
Re: Where to get copies of my various documentation scripts
finally back in the office. Which 6.5 Citrix server should I install/run the script on? I have ten servers, 2 web, 1 lic, 2 Data Collectors, 3 App srv's, 2 FS srv's. Todd Lemmiksoo On Mon, Jan 28, 2013 at 8:46 AM, Webster webs...@carlwebster.com wrote: Updated Article: Where to Get Copies of the Various Documentation Scripts ** ** http://carlwebster.com/where-to-get-copies-of-the-xenapp-farm-documentation-scripts/ ** ** ** ** Thanks ** ** ** ** Webster ** ** ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin -- T. Todd Lemmiksoo ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
RE: VMWare snapshot issue
Have you started at the oldest snapshot and deleted (rather than consolidate)? To delete each snapshot may take some time - perhaps hours! From: Tom Miller [mailto:tmil...@sfgtrust.com] Sent: Monday, February 04, 2013 9:49 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: VMWare snapshot issue Hi Folks, VMWare question for you VMWare gurus: I'm running ESX 5.0, vShpere client 5.0. I have one server that has many snapshots. It is probably because BackupExec wasn't able to delete the snaphot properly after the vm backup. This is only an issue on this server. When I browse the datastore -- server name, I see at least 10 snapshots. I've tried to consolidate the snapshots via the client, but each time I get an i/o error. Suggestions or is this a call to support? Thanks, Tom ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin The information contained in this e-mail, and any attachments hereto, is from The American Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals® (ASPCA®) and is intended only for use by the addressee(s) named herein and may contain legally privileged and/or confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient of this e-mail, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution, copying or use of the contents of this e-mail, and any attachments hereto, is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please immediately notify me by reply email and permanently delete the original and any copy of this e-mail and any printout thereof. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
Re: Where to get copies of my various documentation scripts
Any XenApp one (which rules out WI and Licensing servers), but probably an infrastructure (controller) server is best as it won't have users on Sent from my Blackberry, which may be an antique but delivers email RELIABLY -Original Message- From: Todd Lemmiksoo tlemmik...@gmail.com Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2013 09:57:09 To: NT System Admin Issuesntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Reply-To: NT System Admin Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.comSubject: Re: Where to get copies of my various documentation scripts finally back in the office. Which 6.5 Citrix server should I install/run the script on? I have ten servers, 2 web, 1 lic, 2 Data Collectors, 3 App srv's, 2 FS srv's. Todd Lemmiksoo On Mon, Jan 28, 2013 at 8:46 AM, Webster webs...@carlwebster.com wrote: Updated Article: Where to Get Copies of the Various Documentation Scripts ** ** http://carlwebster.com/where-to-get-copies-of-the-xenapp-farm-documentation-scripts/ ** ** ** ** Thanks ** ** ** ** Webster ** ** ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin -- T. Todd Lemmiksoo ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
RE: Where to get copies of my various documentation scripts
Script can be run on a collector or, by using remoting, a session-only host. The remoting stuff is built-in to the XA65 PoSH stuff EXCEPT for the Group Policy module. Set-XADefaultComputerName XA65CollectorServerName If you are going to use the V3 script, Word 2007 or 2010 or 2013 must be installed on the computer running the script. The V3 script has full help text available (get-help .\XA65_Inventory_V3.ps1 -full), you can use it to get to the article (get-help .\XA65_Inventory_V3.ps1 -online) and you can run it with -verbose to gets lots of info about what the script is doing. Please let me know what you think of the script. I am working on a bug fix version. It is out for testing now. The current script doesn't handle offline XA servers so when it does the get-service stuff the script will time out and give you an ugly red on black PoSH error but will continue on. The updated script will handle offline or unreachable servers plus a few more issues that have cropped up as usual once you publicly release a script. Hey, if you want to test the fixed script, send me an email off list. Thanks Webster From: Todd Lemmiksoo [mailto:tlemmik...@gmail.com] Subject: Re: Where to get copies of my various documentation scripts finally back in the office. Which 6.5 Citrix server should I install/run the script on? I have ten servers, 2 web, 1 lic, 2 Data Collectors, 3 App srv's, 2 FS srv's. Todd Lemmiksoo On Mon, Jan 28, 2013 at 8:46 AM, Webster webs...@carlwebster.commailto:webs...@carlwebster.com wrote: Updated Article: Where to Get Copies of the Various Documentation Scripts http://carlwebster.com/where-to-get-copies-of-the-xenapp-farm-documentation-scripts/ ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
RE: VMWare snapshot issue
They don't appear in snapshot manager. But I can select the consolidate option. After an hour or so is when I get the input/output error. From: Richard McClary [mailto:richard.mccl...@aspca.org] Sent: Monday, February 04, 2013 11:11 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: VMWare snapshot issue Have you started at the oldest snapshot and deleted (rather than consolidate)? To delete each snapshot may take some time - perhaps hours! From: Tom Miller [mailto:tmil...@sfgtrust.com] Sent: Monday, February 04, 2013 9:49 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: VMWare snapshot issue Hi Folks, VMWare question for you VMWare gurus: I'm running ESX 5.0, vShpere client 5.0. I have one server that has many snapshots. It is probably because BackupExec wasn't able to delete the snaphot properly after the vm backup. This is only an issue on this server. When I browse the datastore -- server name, I see at least 10 snapshots. I've tried to consolidate the snapshots via the client, but each time I get an i/o error. Suggestions or is this a call to support? Thanks, Tom ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin The information contained in this e-mail, and any attachments hereto, is from The American Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals(r) (ASPCA(r)) and is intended only for use by the addressee(s) named herein and may contain legally privileged and/or confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient of this e-mail, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution, copying or use of the contents of this e-mail, and any attachments hereto, is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please immediately notify me by reply email and permanently delete the original and any copy of this e-mail and any printout thereof. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
RE: VMWare snapshot issue
Do you see the snapshots from PowerCLI? DAMIEN SOLODOW Systems Engineer 317.447.6033 (office) 317.447.6014 (fax) HARRISON COLLEGE From: Tom Miller [mailto:tmil...@sfgtrust.com] Sent: Monday, February 04, 2013 11:30 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: VMWare snapshot issue They don't appear in snapshot manager. But I can select the consolidate option. After an hour or so is when I get the input/output error. From: Richard McClary [mailto:richard.mccl...@aspca.org] Sent: Monday, February 04, 2013 11:11 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: VMWare snapshot issue Have you started at the oldest snapshot and deleted (rather than consolidate)? To delete each snapshot may take some time - perhaps hours! From: Tom Miller [mailto:tmil...@sfgtrust.com] Sent: Monday, February 04, 2013 9:49 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: VMWare snapshot issue Hi Folks, VMWare question for you VMWare gurus: I'm running ESX 5.0, vShpere client 5.0. I have one server that has many snapshots. It is probably because BackupExec wasn't able to delete the snaphot properly after the vm backup. This is only an issue on this server. When I browse the datastore -- server name, I see at least 10 snapshots. I've tried to consolidate the snapshots via the client, but each time I get an i/o error. Suggestions or is this a call to support? Thanks, Tom ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin The information contained in this e-mail, and any attachments hereto, is from The American Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals(r) (ASPCA(r)) and is intended only for use by the addressee(s) named herein and may contain legally privileged and/or confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient of this e-mail, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution, copying or use of the contents of this e-mail, and any attachments hereto, is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please immediately notify me by reply email and permanently delete the original and any copy of this e-mail and any printout thereof. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
RE: Dell windows 8 COA
This might be due to the fact that Windows 8 Enterprise is not a valid upgrade from Home edition. Tim From: Crawford, Scott [mailto:crawfo...@evangel.edu] Sent: Monday, February 4, 2013 8:49 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Dell windows 8 COA The windows 8 PRO discs we get from MS as part of our enterprise agreement come with their own product key. I've used one to do a clean install on a dell ultrabook that came with windows 8 HOME. It automatically used the key embedded in bios and installed as home, not pro. Sent from my Windows Phone From: Ben Scott Sent: 2/4/2013 7:59 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Dell windows 8 COA On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 7:13 AM, Nigel Parker nigel.par...@ultraframe.co.ukmailto:nigel.par...@ultraframe.co.uk wrote: Although the desktops have a bronze sticker on the back with the windows flag and the words windows 8 I cant find a COA sticker with a key anywhere on the machine inside, outside , top bottom A unique, unit-specific code is embedded in the firmware (ACPI BIOS). You don't get a Certificate of Authenticity or Product Ley. Microsoft is encouraging their large OEMs (like Dell) to do this. Toshiba laptop I just bought is the same way. Keywords: OA 3.0 SLP, OA = OEM Activation, SLP = System Locked Pre-Installation I've seen claims that if the motherboard is replaced, the OEM is supposed to provide a printed card with a new Product Key, to allow the existing install to continue to be used. Haven't confirmed that with a reliable source yet. I don't know what happens if you try to use a generic OEM disc to do a clean install (i.e., without vendor shovelware) in such cases. -- Ben ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
RE: VMWare snapshot issue
I see them when I browse the datastore. From: Damien Solodow [mailto:damien.solo...@harrison.edu] Sent: Monday, February 04, 2013 11:37 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: VMWare snapshot issue Do you see the snapshots from PowerCLI? DAMIEN SOLODOW Systems Engineer 317.447.6033 (office) 317.447.6014 (fax) HARRISON COLLEGE From: Tom Miller [mailto:tmil...@sfgtrust.com] Sent: Monday, February 04, 2013 11:30 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: VMWare snapshot issue They don't appear in snapshot manager. But I can select the consolidate option. After an hour or so is when I get the input/output error. From: Richard McClary [mailto:richard.mccl...@aspca.org] Sent: Monday, February 04, 2013 11:11 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: VMWare snapshot issue Have you started at the oldest snapshot and deleted (rather than consolidate)? To delete each snapshot may take some time - perhaps hours! From: Tom Miller [mailto:tmil...@sfgtrust.com] Sent: Monday, February 04, 2013 9:49 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: VMWare snapshot issue Hi Folks, VMWare question for you VMWare gurus: I'm running ESX 5.0, vShpere client 5.0. I have one server that has many snapshots. It is probably because BackupExec wasn't able to delete the snaphot properly after the vm backup. This is only an issue on this server. When I browse the datastore -- server name, I see at least 10 snapshots. I've tried to consolidate the snapshots via the client, but each time I get an i/o error. Suggestions or is this a call to support? Thanks, Tom ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin The information contained in this e-mail, and any attachments hereto, is from The American Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals(r) (ASPCA(r)) and is intended only for use by the addressee(s) named herein and may contain legally privileged and/or confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient of this e-mail, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution, copying or use of the contents of this e-mail, and any attachments hereto, is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please immediately notify me by reply email and permanently delete the original and any copy of this e-mail and any printout thereof. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
Re: Robocopy reliability
I've seen copy jobs break several times...but not robocopy jobs The clue's in the nameROBust file COPY utility Sent from my Blackberry, which may be an antique but delivers email RELIABLY -Original Message- From: David Lum david@nwea.org Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2013 16:53:44 To: NT System Admin Issuesntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Reply-To: NT System Admin Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.comSubject: RE: Robocopy reliability I have only seen it break if the underlying infrastructure breaksusually a permissions change on a source item or a password change on the service account that uses it :). I have several scheduled robocopy jobs and have only had problems when I break something underneath it. From: Tigran K [mailto:tigr...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, February 04, 2013 8:34 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Robocopy reliability Having a discussion with the boss on how we should do something I suggested robocopy. His reply was a strict NO. Reasoning was that it's not reliable. He said I've seen it break. So my question is have you seen it break? Is robocopy any more or less reliable than built in copy? I did point out that robocopy is built in to windows as well at least for Windows7. Didn't seem to help. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
RE: Dell windows 8 COA
Each generation of Windows has used a more sophisticated way of seamlessly installing on a branded machine. The setup process has always stopped at the key setup part and queried the machine before moving on. With XP it looked at the pre-installed key and then checked the BIOS had a tag in it to approve it. This was not very sophisticated and HP media would work on Dell and vice versa. With Vista/7 there was a certificate pre-installed which had to match the BIOS or else you would need to use the key on the sticker. With 7 the installer would only allow certain installs based on the key - i.e. by little netbook would not allow W7 Enterprise to install on it. This was more sophisticated and meant that keys wiping of the stickers was not a big deal. Now on 8 and with the standardisation of the media (i.e. almost the same ISO for retail, download or upgrade) pulling the key from the BIOS is just another step in streamlining the process. The only time you should need a key is if you are reinstalling with a different version - i.e. enterprise - other than that it's a case of 'adding features' but just entering the key. I have a laptop which I seem to have really messed up by installing W8 Pro on top of W8 - it's just not right, it installed and then flipped back to standard. When I entered the key it upgraded again and properly, but it still isn't right and might need a rebuild to sort it. Also the new OEM versions - now called Windows 8 System Builder - you have no support from Microsoft anymore and cannot use it to upgrade. The Microsoft site still has very little info on 8 and COA's compared to windows 7 as they are still talking about physical media, physical COA and the software license. Mike From: David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org] Sent: 04 February 2013 15:46 To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Dell windows 8 COA I don't know that the key is embedded in the BIOS so much that the OS install looks for some specific BIOS properties, I've been able to re-install via CD across various Dell models (I can install XPSP3 on a machine that came with XPSP2, for example). Dave From: Crawford, Scott [mailto:crawfo...@evangel.edu] Sent: Monday, February 04, 2013 6:49 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Dell windows 8 COA The windows 8 PRO discs we get from MS as part of our enterprise agreement come with their own product key. I've used one to do a clean install on a dell ultrabook that came with windows 8 HOME. It automatically used the key embedded in bios and installed as home, not pro. Sent from my Windows Phone From: Ben Scott Sent: 2/4/2013 7:59 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Dell windows 8 COA On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 7:13 AM, Nigel Parker nigel.par...@ultraframe.co.ukmailto:nigel.par...@ultraframe.co.uk wrote: Although the desktops have a bronze sticker on the back with the windows flag and the words windows 8 I cant find a COA sticker with a key anywhere on the machine inside, outside , top bottom A unique, unit-specific code is embedded in the firmware (ACPI BIOS). You don't get a Certificate of Authenticity or Product Ley. Microsoft is encouraging their large OEMs (like Dell) to do this. Toshiba laptop I just bought is the same way. Keywords: OA 3.0 SLP, OA = OEM Activation, SLP = System Locked Pre-Installation I've seen claims that if the motherboard is replaced, the OEM is supposed to provide a printed card with a new Product Key, to allow the existing install to continue to be used. Haven't confirmed that with a reliable source yet. I don't know what happens if you try to use a generic OEM disc to do a clean install (i.e., without vendor shovelware) in such cases. -- Ben ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage
Re: Robocopy reliability
I've never had any problems with it. From: Tigran K tigr...@gmail.com To: NT System Admin Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Sent: Monday, February 4, 2013 10:34 AM Subject: Robocopy reliability Having a discussion with the boss on how we should do something I suggested robocopy. His reply was a strict NO. Reasoning was that it's not reliable. He said I've seen it break. So my question is have you seen it break? Is robocopy any more or less reliable than built in copy? I did point out that robocopy is built in to windows as well at least for Windows7. Didn't seem to help. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
Re: Where to get copies of my various documentation scripts
Nice work! From: Webster webs...@carlwebster.com To: NT System Admin Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Sent: Monday, February 4, 2013 10:27 AM Subject: RE: Where to get copies of my various documentation scripts Script can be run on a collector or, by using remoting, a session-only host. The remoting stuff is built-in to the XA65 PoSH stuff EXCEPT for the Group Policy module. Set-XADefaultComputerName XA65CollectorServerName If you are going to use the V3 script, Word 2007 or 2010 or 2013 must be installed on the computer running the script. The V3 script has full help text available (get-help .\XA65_Inventory_V3.ps1 –full), you can use it to get to the article (get-help .\XA65_Inventory_V3.ps1 –online) and you can run it with –verbose to gets lots of info about what the script is doing. Please let me know what you think of the script. I am working on a bug fix version. It is out for testing now. The current script doesn’t handle offline XA servers so when it does the get-service stuff the script will time out and give you an ugly red on black PoSH error but will continue on. The updated script will handle offline or unreachable servers plus a few more issues that have cropped up as usual once you publicly release a script. Hey, if you want to test the fixed script, send me an email off list. Thanks Webster From:Todd Lemmiksoo [mailto:tlemmik...@gmail.com] Subject: Re: Where to get copies of my various documentation scripts finally back in the office. Which 6.5 Citrix server should I install/run the script on? I have ten servers, 2 web, 1 lic, 2 Data Collectors, 3 App srv's, 2 FS srv's. Todd Lemmiksoo On Mon, Jan 28, 2013 at 8:46 AM, Webster webs...@carlwebster.com wrote: Updated Article: Where to Get Copies of the Various Documentation Scripts http://carlwebster.com/where-to-get-copies-of-the-xenapp-farm-documentation-scripts/ ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
RE: VMWare snapshot issue
But that doesn't answer my question. You can't delete the snapshots by browsing the datastore, but you can delete them via PowerCLI. This would allow you to delete the snapshots one or two at a time to try and workaround the issue since consolidate fails. DAMIEN SOLODOW Systems Engineer 317.447.6033 (office) 317.447.6014 (fax) HARRISON COLLEGE From: Tom Miller [mailto:tmil...@sfgtrust.com] Sent: Monday, February 04, 2013 11:59 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: VMWare snapshot issue I see them when I browse the datastore. From: Damien Solodow [mailto:damien.solo...@harrison.edu] Sent: Monday, February 04, 2013 11:37 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: VMWare snapshot issue Do you see the snapshots from PowerCLI? DAMIEN SOLODOW Systems Engineer 317.447.6033 (office) 317.447.6014 (fax) HARRISON COLLEGE From: Tom Miller [mailto:tmil...@sfgtrust.com] Sent: Monday, February 04, 2013 11:30 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: VMWare snapshot issue They don't appear in snapshot manager. But I can select the consolidate option. After an hour or so is when I get the input/output error. From: Richard McClary [mailto:richard.mccl...@aspca.org] Sent: Monday, February 04, 2013 11:11 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: VMWare snapshot issue Have you started at the oldest snapshot and deleted (rather than consolidate)? To delete each snapshot may take some time - perhaps hours! From: Tom Miller [mailto:tmil...@sfgtrust.com] Sent: Monday, February 04, 2013 9:49 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: VMWare snapshot issue Hi Folks, VMWare question for you VMWare gurus: I'm running ESX 5.0, vShpere client 5.0. I have one server that has many snapshots. It is probably because BackupExec wasn't able to delete the snaphot properly after the vm backup. This is only an issue on this server. When I browse the datastore -- server name, I see at least 10 snapshots. I've tried to consolidate the snapshots via the client, but each time I get an i/o error. Suggestions or is this a call to support? Thanks, Tom ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin The information contained in this e-mail, and any attachments hereto, is from The American Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals(r) (ASPCA(r)) and is intended only for use by the addressee(s) named herein and may contain legally privileged and/or confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient of this e-mail, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution, copying or use of the contents of this e-mail, and any attachments hereto, is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please immediately notify me by reply email and permanently delete the original and any copy of this e-mail and any printout thereof. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
RE: Robocopy reliability
If the network breaks, robocopy breaks. If the hardware breaks, robocopy breaks. I'd like to know one utility whether either of those are NOT true? I don't know of ANYTHING that is more reliable than robocopy. What did he suggest? From: Tigran K [mailto:tigr...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, February 4, 2013 11:34 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Robocopy reliability Having a discussion with the boss on how we should do something I suggested robocopy. His reply was a strict NO. Reasoning was that it's not reliable. He said I've seen it break. So my question is have you seen it break? Is robocopy any more or less reliable than built in copy? I did point out that robocopy is built in to windows as well at least for Windows7. Didn't seem to help. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
RE: Dell windows 8 COA
It might not be a common choice, but if you want to upgrade a netbook/ultrabook to Pro and then add it to your corporate fleet then you can put Enterprise on it. With 7 this would sometimes fail at the BIOS check stage. Mike From: Tim Vander Kooi [mailto:tvanderk...@expl.com] Sent: 04 February 2013 16:57 To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Dell windows 8 COA This might be due to the fact that Windows 8 Enterprise is not a valid upgrade from Home edition. Tim From: Crawford, Scott [mailto:crawfo...@evangel.edu] Sent: Monday, February 4, 2013 8:49 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Dell windows 8 COA The windows 8 PRO discs we get from MS as part of our enterprise agreement come with their own product key. I've used one to do a clean install on a dell ultrabook that came with windows 8 HOME. It automatically used the key embedded in bios and installed as home, not pro. Sent from my Windows Phone From: Ben Scott Sent: 2/4/2013 7:59 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Dell windows 8 COA On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 7:13 AM, Nigel Parker nigel.par...@ultraframe.co.ukmailto:nigel.par...@ultraframe.co.uk wrote: Although the desktops have a bronze sticker on the back with the windows flag and the words windows 8 I cant find a COA sticker with a key anywhere on the machine inside, outside , top bottom A unique, unit-specific code is embedded in the firmware (ACPI BIOS). You don't get a Certificate of Authenticity or Product Ley. Microsoft is encouraging their large OEMs (like Dell) to do this. Toshiba laptop I just bought is the same way. Keywords: OA 3.0 SLP, OA = OEM Activation, SLP = System Locked Pre-Installation I've seen claims that if the motherboard is replaced, the OEM is supposed to provide a printed card with a new Product Key, to allow the existing install to continue to be used. Haven't confirmed that with a reliable source yet. I don't know what happens if you try to use a generic OEM disc to do a clean install (i.e., without vendor shovelware) in such cases. -- Ben ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
RE: Robocopy reliability
I've used it many times for file migration moves and even for permissions copies. Just this past weekend I migrated a pretty complex old Windows 2008 server shared to Windows 2008 R2 this past weekend. I didn't copy permissions since they were a mess. The only errors I've seen were my own, usually syntax or spelling. What are you trying to do? From: Tigran K [mailto:tigr...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, February 04, 2013 11:34 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Robocopy reliability Having a discussion with the boss on how we should do something I suggested robocopy. His reply was a strict NO. Reasoning was that it's not reliable. He said I've seen it break. So my question is have you seen it break? Is robocopy any more or less reliable than built in copy? I did point out that robocopy is built in to windows as well at least for Windows7. Didn't seem to help. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
RE: VMWare snapshot issue
Have you tried moving the VM to a new datastore? I've found that helpful on occasion when the VCenter isn't cooperating with a VM. John W. Cook Network Operations Manager Partnership For Strong Families 5950 NW 1st Place Gainesville, Fl 32607 Office (352) 244-1610 Cell (352) 215-6944 MCSE, MCP+I, MCTS, CompTIA A+, N+, VSP4, VTSP4 From: Damien Solodow [mailto:damien.solo...@harrison.edu] Sent: Monday, February 04, 2013 12:06 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: VMWare snapshot issue But that doesn't answer my question. You can't delete the snapshots by browsing the datastore, but you can delete them via PowerCLI. This would allow you to delete the snapshots one or two at a time to try and workaround the issue since consolidate fails. DAMIEN SOLODOW Systems Engineer 317.447.6033 (office) 317.447.6014 (fax) HARRISON COLLEGE From: Tom Miller [mailto:tmil...@sfgtrust.com] Sent: Monday, February 04, 2013 11:59 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: VMWare snapshot issue I see them when I browse the datastore. From: Damien Solodow [mailto:damien.solo...@harrison.edu] Sent: Monday, February 04, 2013 11:37 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: VMWare snapshot issue Do you see the snapshots from PowerCLI? DAMIEN SOLODOW Systems Engineer 317.447.6033 (office) 317.447.6014 (fax) HARRISON COLLEGE From: Tom Miller [mailto:tmil...@sfgtrust.com] Sent: Monday, February 04, 2013 11:30 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: VMWare snapshot issue They don't appear in snapshot manager. But I can select the consolidate option. After an hour or so is when I get the input/output error. From: Richard McClary [mailto:richard.mccl...@aspca.org] Sent: Monday, February 04, 2013 11:11 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: VMWare snapshot issue Have you started at the oldest snapshot and deleted (rather than consolidate)? To delete each snapshot may take some time - perhaps hours! From: Tom Miller [mailto:tmil...@sfgtrust.com] Sent: Monday, February 04, 2013 9:49 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: VMWare snapshot issue Hi Folks, VMWare question for you VMWare gurus: I'm running ESX 5.0, vShpere client 5.0. I have one server that has many snapshots. It is probably because BackupExec wasn't able to delete the snaphot properly after the vm backup. This is only an issue on this server. When I browse the datastore -- server name, I see at least 10 snapshots. I've tried to consolidate the snapshots via the client, but each time I get an i/o error. Suggestions or is this a call to support? Thanks, Tom ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin The information contained in this e-mail, and any attachments hereto, is from The American Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals(r) (ASPCA(r)) and is intended only for use by the addressee(s) named herein and may contain legally privileged and/or confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient of this e-mail, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution, copying or use of the contents of this e-mail, and any attachments hereto, is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please immediately notify me by reply email and permanently delete the original and any copy of this e-mail and any printout thereof. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to
Re: VMWare snapshot issue
I had this happen when using a VDR (vmware data recovery) appliance. I would have to shut down the VDR appliance, create a snapshot from vcenter, then choose delete all snapshots. It would take a significant amount of time, but it worked. http://kb.vmware.com/selfservice/microsites/search.do?language=en_UScmd=displayKCexternalId=1019849 Robert On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 12:05 PM, Damien Solodow damien.solo...@harrison.edu wrote: But that doesn’t answer my question. You can’t delete the snapshots by browsing the datastore, but you can delete them via PowerCLI. This would allow you to delete the snapshots one or two at a time to try and workaround the issue since consolidate fails. ** ** DAMIEN SOLODOW Systems Engineer 317.447.6033 (office) 317.447.6014 (fax) HARRISON COLLEGE ** ** *From:* Tom Miller [mailto:tmil...@sfgtrust.com] *Sent:* Monday, February 04, 2013 11:59 AM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* RE: VMWare snapshot issue ** ** I see them when I browse the datastore. ** ** *From:* Damien Solodow [mailto:damien.solo...@harrison.edudamien.solo...@harrison.edu] *Sent:* Monday, February 04, 2013 11:37 AM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* RE: VMWare snapshot issue ** ** Do you see the snapshots from PowerCLI? ** ** DAMIEN SOLODOW Systems Engineer 317.447.6033 (office) 317.447.6014 (fax) HARRISON COLLEGE ** ** *From:* Tom Miller [mailto:tmil...@sfgtrust.com tmil...@sfgtrust.com] *Sent:* Monday, February 04, 2013 11:30 AM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* RE: VMWare snapshot issue ** ** They don't appear in snapshot manager. But I can select the consolidate option. After an hour or so is when I get the input/output error. ** ** *From:* Richard McClary [mailto:richard.mccl...@aspca.orgrichard.mccl...@aspca.org] *Sent:* Monday, February 04, 2013 11:11 AM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* RE: VMWare snapshot issue ** ** Have you started at the oldest snapshot and deleted (rather than consolidate)? To delete each snapshot may take some time – perhaps hours! ** ** *From:* Tom Miller [mailto:tmil...@sfgtrust.com tmil...@sfgtrust.com] *Sent:* Monday, February 04, 2013 9:49 AM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* VMWare snapshot issue ** ** Hi Folks, ** ** VMWare question for you VMWare gurus: I'm running ESX 5.0, vShpere client 5.0. I have one server that has many snapshots. It is probably because BackupExec wasn't able to delete the snaphot properly after the vm backup. This is only an issue on this server. When I browse the datastore -- server name, I see at least 10 snapshots. I've tried to consolidate the snapshots via the client, but each time I get an i/o error. ** ** Suggestions or is this a call to support? ** ** Thanks, Tom ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ** ** The information contained in this e-mail, and any attachments hereto, is from The American Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals® (ASPCA®) and is intended only for use by the addressee(s) named herein and may contain legally privileged and/or confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient of this e-mail, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution, copying or use of the contents of this e-mail, and any attachments hereto, is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please immediately notify me by reply email and permanently delete the original and any copy of this e-mail and any printout thereof. ** ** ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that
Re: Robocopy reliability
I've never had an issue with the reliability of RoboCopy. I have used ScriptLogic's Secure Copy, which I believe is now a Dell product through the Quest acquisition. Great, product, but I wouldn't say it was more reliable, just easier to use and had a few specific features that we liked. One of which was the multi-threaded option. At that time, RoboCopy didn't have the /MT switch. YMMV Christopher Bodnar Enterprise Architect I, Corporate Office of Technology:Enterprise Architecture and Engineering Services Tel 610-807-6459 3900 Burgess Place, Bethlehem, PA 18017 christopher_bod...@glic.com The Guardian Life Insurance Company of America www.guardianlife.com From: Tigran K tigr...@gmail.com To: NT System Admin Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Date: 02/04/2013 11:38 AM Subject:Robocopy reliability Having a discussion with the boss on how we should do something I suggested robocopy. His reply was a strict NO. Reasoning was that it's not reliable. He said I've seen it break. So my question is have you seen it break? Is robocopy any more or less reliable than built in copy? I did point out that robocopy is built in to windows as well at least for Windows7. Didn't seem to help. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin - This message, and any attachments to it, may contain information that is privileged, confidential, and exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are notified that any use, dissemination, distribution, copying, or communication of this message is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please notify the sender immediately by return e-mail and delete the message and any attachments. Thank you. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadminimage/jpeg
RE: Dell windows 8 COA
It's not an enterprise disc. It's the pro discs for work-at-home rights. My point is there's never a prompt to use the key that comes with the disc. It just uses the one built into the bios and licenses the OS accordingly. It was basically a response to Ben's question about a clean install. The long and short of it is that it can be used to do a clean install. From: Tim Vander Kooi [mailto:tvanderk...@expl.com] Sent: Monday, February 4, 2013 10:57 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Dell windows 8 COA This might be due to the fact that Windows 8 Enterprise is not a valid upgrade from Home edition. Tim From: Crawford, Scott [mailto:crawfo...@evangel.edu] Sent: Monday, February 4, 2013 8:49 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Dell windows 8 COA The windows 8 PRO discs we get from MS as part of our enterprise agreement come with their own product key. I've used one to do a clean install on a dell ultrabook that came with windows 8 HOME. It automatically used the key embedded in bios and installed as home, not pro. Sent from my Windows Phone From: Ben Scott Sent: 2/4/2013 7:59 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Dell windows 8 COA On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 7:13 AM, Nigel Parker nigel.par...@ultraframe.co.ukmailto:nigel.par...@ultraframe.co.uk wrote: Although the desktops have a bronze sticker on the back with the windows flag and the words windows 8 I cant find a COA sticker with a key anywhere on the machine inside, outside , top bottom A unique, unit-specific code is embedded in the firmware (ACPI BIOS). You don't get a Certificate of Authenticity or Product Ley. Microsoft is encouraging their large OEMs (like Dell) to do this. Toshiba laptop I just bought is the same way. Keywords: OA 3.0 SLP, OA = OEM Activation, SLP = System Locked Pre-Installation I've seen claims that if the motherboard is replaced, the OEM is supposed to provide a printed card with a new Product Key, to allow the existing install to continue to be used. Haven't confirmed that with a reliable source yet. I don't know what happens if you try to use a generic OEM disc to do a clean install (i.e., without vendor shovelware) in such cases. -- Ben ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
RE: Robocopy reliability
I have never had a problem with Robocopy. It did exactly what I told it to do and gave me detailed information on what it did. I could not ask for more from a command line copy utility. I'm sensing that your Boss has a bias, perhaps due to a bad experience he had previously. If so, what does _he_ recommend? Maybe he has some awesome software I've never heard of. (It wouldn't be the first time!) --Matt Ross Ephrata School District - Original Message - From: Tom Miller [mailto:tmil...@sfgtrust.com] To: NT System Admin Issues [mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com] Sent: Mon, 04 Feb 2013 09:08:33 -0800 Subject: RE: Robocopy reliability I've used it many times for file migration moves and even for permissions copies. Just this past weekend I migrated a pretty complex old Windows 2008 server shared to Windows 2008 R2 this past weekend. I didn't copy permissions since they were a mess. The only errors I've seen were my own, usually syntax or spelling. What are you trying to do? From: Tigran K [mailto:tigr...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, February 04, 2013 11:34 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Robocopy reliability Having a discussion with the boss on how we should do something I suggested robocopy. His reply was a strict NO. Reasoning was that it's not reliable. He said I've seen it break. So my question is have you seen it break? Is robocopy any more or less reliable than built in copy? I did point out that robocopy is built in to windows as well at least for Windows7. Didn't seem to help. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
RE: Robocopy reliability
+1 In fact just this morning I expanded it's use here automating the deletion of videos from a security camera share. From: Tom Miller [mailto:tmil...@sfgtrust.com] Sent: Monday, February 04, 2013 12:55 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Robocopy reliability The only errors I've seen were my own, usually syntax or spelling. From: Tigran K [mailto:tigr...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, February 04, 2013 11:34 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Robocopy reliability Having a discussion with the boss on how we should do something I suggested robocopy. His reply was a strict NO. Reasoning was that it's not reliable. He said I've seen it break. So my question is have you seen it break? Is robocopy any more or less reliable than built in copy? I did point out that robocopy is built in to windows as well at least for Windows7. Didn't seem to help. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
Re: Robocopy reliability
So his reliability comment was directed more toward robocopy utility itself. Eluding to the fact that he's seen robocopy copy files that turned out to be not the same as the original. We're not doing anything complex. We want to copy some files from source control and catch deleted files at the same time. So instead of deleting the entire destination folder and copying new files from source control. I'm saying it's as simple as robocopy /mir and that's it. That way whatever file is removed from source control will get removed on the destination servers as well. On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 9:08 AM, Tom Miller tmil...@sfgtrust.com wrote: I've used it many times for file migration moves and even for permissions copies. Just this past weekend I migrated a pretty complex old Windows 2008 server shared to Windows 2008 R2 this past weekend. I didn't copy permissions since they were a mess. ** ** The only errors I've seen were my own, usually syntax or spelling. ** ** What are you trying to do? ** ** *From:* Tigran K [mailto:tigr...@gmail.com] *Sent:* Monday, February 04, 2013 11:34 AM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* Robocopy reliability ** ** Having a discussion with the boss on how we should do something I suggested robocopy. His reply was a strict NO. Reasoning was that it's not reliable. He said I've seen it break. ** ** So my question is have you seen it break? Is robocopy any more or less reliable than built in copy? I did point out that robocopy is built in to windows as well at least for Windows7. Didn't seem to help. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
Re: Dell windows 8 COA
On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 10:45 AM, David Lum david@nwea.org wrote: I don’t know that the key is embedded in the BIOS so much that the OS install looks for some specific BIOS properties, I’ve been able to re-install via CD across various Dell models (I can install XPSP3 on a machine that came with XPSP2, for example). XP is not Win 8. From my investigations: XP's OEM pre-activation involved a few files on the OEM CD (OEMBIOS.*). Typically all CDs from a given OEM were identical (or maybe within a major product line), all containing the same OEM SLP PK (which did *not* match the COA PK for any given unit). There was nothing unit-specific in the BIOS that was checked. The XP activation routines just checked to make sure the OEM hardware generically matched the OEM software. If it did, the system was considered pre-activated; the user did not need to enter a PK. If that failed, there was still a PK printed on the COA which the user could enter. Win 8 is completely different. There is no COA. There is no PK provided to the customer. The unit-specific activation data is installed in the ACPI BIOS. Specifically, two tables are mentioned SLIC (software license) and MSDM (Microsoft Data Management). The OEM loads the data during manufacturing. The Win 8 activation routines verify the integrity of the BIOS info vs the rest of the hardware signature, and against the overmind at Microsoft, to activate. http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/windows/hardware/hh673514.aspx OEM = Original Equipment Manufacturer (MSFT uses this to mean PC vendor) SLP = System Locked Pre-Activation PK = Product Key COA = Certificate of Authenticity -- Ben ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
Re: Robocopy reliability
Thanks for the quick servery. My experience with robocopy has been positive as well. --T ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
Re: Robocopy reliability
He was saying we should use just plain old copy. -T On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 10:11 AM, Matthew W. Ross mr...@ephrataschools.orgwrote: I have never had a problem with Robocopy. It did exactly what I told it to do and gave me detailed information on what it did. I could not ask for more from a command line copy utility. I'm sensing that your Boss has a bias, perhaps due to a bad experience he had previously. If so, what does _he_ recommend? Maybe he has some awesome software I've never heard of. (It wouldn't be the first time!) --Matt Ross Ephrata School District - Original Message - From: Tom Miller [mailto:tmil...@sfgtrust.com] To: NT System Admin Issues [mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com] Sent: Mon, 04 Feb 2013 09:08:33 -0800 Subject: RE: Robocopy reliability I've used it many times for file migration moves and even for permissions copies. Just this past weekend I migrated a pretty complex old Windows 2008 server shared to Windows 2008 R2 this past weekend. I didn't copy permissions since they were a mess. The only errors I've seen were my own, usually syntax or spelling. What are you trying to do? From: Tigran K [mailto:tigr...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, February 04, 2013 11:34 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Robocopy reliability Having a discussion with the boss on how we should do something I suggested robocopy. His reply was a strict NO. Reasoning was that it's not reliable. He said I've seen it break. So my question is have you seen it break? Is robocopy any more or less reliable than built in copy? I did point out that robocopy is built in to windows as well at least for Windows7. Didn't seem to help. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto: listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
RE: Robocopy reliability
Alluding, but I digress :) I believe he is misinformed. I have *never* seen that. Sounds more like something he heard through a grapevine vs. experienced directly. I'd wager if pressed for details on this opinion he will be short on specifics. Don't trust pneumatic tires, they all leak, I know this because my friend's mother's teacher had a flat once... From: Tigran K [mailto:tigr...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, February 04, 2013 10:13 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Robocopy reliability So his reliability comment was directed more toward robocopy utility itself. Eluding to the fact that he's seen robocopy copy files that turned out to be not the same as the original. We're not doing anything complex. We want to copy some files from source control and catch deleted files at the same time. So instead of deleting the entire destination folder and copying new files from source control. I'm saying it's as simple as robocopy /mir and that's it. That way whatever file is removed from source control will get removed on the destination servers as well. On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 9:08 AM, Tom Miller tmil...@sfgtrust.commailto:tmil...@sfgtrust.com wrote: I've used it many times for file migration moves and even for permissions copies. Just this past weekend I migrated a pretty complex old Windows 2008 server shared to Windows 2008 R2 this past weekend. I didn't copy permissions since they were a mess. The only errors I've seen were my own, usually syntax or spelling. What are you trying to do? From: Tigran K [mailto:tigr...@gmail.commailto:tigr...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, February 04, 2013 11:34 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Robocopy reliability Having a discussion with the boss on how we should do something I suggested robocopy. His reply was a strict NO. Reasoning was that it's not reliable. He said I've seen it break. So my question is have you seen it break? Is robocopy any more or less reliable than built in copy? I did point out that robocopy is built in to windows as well at least for Windows7. Didn't seem to help. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
RE: Robocopy reliability
*snerk* Did you point out that the robo in robocopy was short for robust and that it was made and named so because of shortcomings in copy? :) Ask if he'd prefer xcopy. ;) DAMIEN SOLODOW Systems Engineer 317.447.6033 (office) 317.447.6014 (fax) HARRISON COLLEGE From: Tigran K [mailto:tigr...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, February 04, 2013 1:49 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Robocopy reliability He was saying we should use just plain old copy. -T On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 10:11 AM, Matthew W. Ross mr...@ephrataschools.orgmailto:mr...@ephrataschools.org wrote: I have never had a problem with Robocopy. It did exactly what I told it to do and gave me detailed information on what it did. I could not ask for more from a command line copy utility. I'm sensing that your Boss has a bias, perhaps due to a bad experience he had previously. If so, what does _he_ recommend? Maybe he has some awesome software I've never heard of. (It wouldn't be the first time!) --Matt Ross Ephrata School District - Original Message - From: Tom Miller [mailto:tmil...@sfgtrust.commailto:tmil...@sfgtrust.com] To: NT System Admin Issues [mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.commailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com] Sent: Mon, 04 Feb 2013 09:08:33 -0800 Subject: RE: Robocopy reliability I've used it many times for file migration moves and even for permissions copies. Just this past weekend I migrated a pretty complex old Windows 2008 server shared to Windows 2008 R2 this past weekend. I didn't copy permissions since they were a mess. The only errors I've seen were my own, usually syntax or spelling. What are you trying to do? From: Tigran K [mailto:tigr...@gmail.commailto:tigr...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, February 04, 2013 11:34 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Robocopy reliability Having a discussion with the boss on how we should do something I suggested robocopy. His reply was a strict NO. Reasoning was that it's not reliable. He said I've seen it break. So my question is have you seen it break? Is robocopy any more or less reliable than built in copy? I did point out that robocopy is built in to windows as well at least for Windows7. Didn't seem to help. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
Re: Robocopy reliability
On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 8:34 AM, Tigran K tigr...@gmail.com wrote: Having a discussion with the boss on how we should do something I suggested robocopy. His reply was a strict NO. Reasoning was that it's not reliable. He said I've seen it break. So my question is have you seen it break? Is robocopy any more or less reliable than built in copy? I did point out that robocopy is built in to windows as well at least for Windows7. Didn't seem to help. Robocopy doesn't break. Ever, in my long history (10+years) of using it. Hardware breaks, connectivity breaks, I've made mistakes using it, inadvertently giving it bad or conflicting commands, but robocopy never breaks. Kurt ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
Re: Robocopy reliability
Definitely not as reliable as robocopy, in my experience. Kurt On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 10:49 AM, Tigran K tigr...@gmail.com wrote: He was saying we should use just plain old copy. -T On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 10:11 AM, Matthew W. Ross mr...@ephrataschools.org wrote: I have never had a problem with Robocopy. It did exactly what I told it to do and gave me detailed information on what it did. I could not ask for more from a command line copy utility. I'm sensing that your Boss has a bias, perhaps due to a bad experience he had previously. If so, what does _he_ recommend? Maybe he has some awesome software I've never heard of. (It wouldn't be the first time!) --Matt Ross Ephrata School District - Original Message - From: Tom Miller [mailto:tmil...@sfgtrust.com] To: NT System Admin Issues [mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com] Sent: Mon, 04 Feb 2013 09:08:33 -0800 Subject: RE: Robocopy reliability I've used it many times for file migration moves and even for permissions copies. Just this past weekend I migrated a pretty complex old Windows 2008 server shared to Windows 2008 R2 this past weekend. I didn't copy permissions since they were a mess. The only errors I've seen were my own, usually syntax or spelling. What are you trying to do? From: Tigran K [mailto:tigr...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, February 04, 2013 11:34 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Robocopy reliability Having a discussion with the boss on how we should do something I suggested robocopy. His reply was a strict NO. Reasoning was that it's not reliable. He said I've seen it break. So my question is have you seen it break? Is robocopy any more or less reliable than built in copy? I did point out that robocopy is built in to windows as well at least for Windows7. Didn't seem to help. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
RE: On a lighter note for a Friday, Passed my CISA exam
Something like that… I forget anymore… And hell Kurt you probably know more than I will ever be able to fit in my brain… Z Edward E. Ziots, CISSP, Security +, Network + Security Engineer Lifespan Organization ezi...@lifespan.org This electronic message and any attachments may be privileged and confidential and protected from disclosure. If you are reading this message, but are not the intended recipient, nor an employee or agent responsible for delivering this message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that you are strictly prohibited from copying, printing, forwarding or otherwise disseminating this communication. If you have received this communication in error, please immediately notify the sender by replying to the message. Then, delete the message from your computer. Thank you. [Description: Description: Lifespan] From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, February 01, 2013 6:04 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: On a lighter note for a Friday, Passed my CISA exam So this is what - your 37th cert, or something like that? Give us a list of your current certs, won't you? We all need to feel a little inadequate on a Friday. :) Kurt On Fri, Feb 1, 2013 at 11:54 AM, Ziots, Edward ezi...@lifespan.orgmailto:ezi...@lifespan.org wrote: Just got the official email that I passed my CISA exam, so I guess another Certification on the title and looking forward to the auditing work that comes with it. Z Edward E. Ziots, CISSP, Security +, Network + Security Engineer Lifespan Organization ezi...@lifespan.orgmailto:ezi...@lifespan.org This electronic message and any attachments may be privileged and confidential and protected from disclosure. If you are reading this message, but are not the intended recipient, nor an employee or agent responsible for delivering this message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that you are strictly prohibited from copying, printing, forwarding or otherwise disseminating this communication. If you have received this communication in error, please immediately notify the sender by replying to the message. Then, delete the message from your computer. Thank you. [Description: Description: Lifespan] ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin inline: image001.jpg
RE: Java 7 patch 13 out...
Good one I am sure they will bypass the protections in this version within the week, I will just wait for the Post from the Polish Team on Bugtraq. Z Edward E. Ziots, CISSP, Security +, Network + Security Engineer Lifespan Organization ezi...@lifespan.org This electronic message and any attachments may be privileged and confidential and protected from disclosure. If you are reading this message, but are not the intended recipient, nor an employee or agent responsible for delivering this message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that you are strictly prohibited from copying, printing, forwarding or otherwise disseminating this communication. If you have received this communication in error, please immediately notify the sender by replying to the message. Then, delete the message from your computer. Thank you. [Description: Description: Lifespan] From: Mathew Shember [mailto:mathew.shem...@synopsys.com] Sent: Friday, February 01, 2013 8:15 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Java 7 patch 13 out... O So there is only one exploit! It's Groundhog Day! Patch the exploit. It's Groundhog Day! Patch the exploit. ... From: Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, February 01, 2013 2:52 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Java 7 patch 13 out... Exploit to follow tomorrow, which is Groundhog Day. :-) On Friday, February 1, 2013, S Powell wrote: no that's it... i'm off to update... - Sub ubi semper ubi ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.comjavascript:; with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmininline: image001.jpg
RE: Robocopy reliability
Fail. From: Tigran K [mailto:tigr...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, February 04, 2013 10:49 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Robocopy reliability He was saying we should use just plain old copy. -T On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 10:11 AM, Matthew W. Ross mr...@ephrataschools.orgmailto:mr...@ephrataschools.org wrote: I have never had a problem with Robocopy. It did exactly what I told it to do and gave me detailed information on what it did. I could not ask for more from a command line copy utility. I'm sensing that your Boss has a bias, perhaps due to a bad experience he had previously. If so, what does _he_ recommend? Maybe he has some awesome software I've never heard of. (It wouldn't be the first time!) --Matt Ross Ephrata School District - Original Message - From: Tom Miller [mailto:tmil...@sfgtrust.commailto:tmil...@sfgtrust.com] To: NT System Admin Issues [mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.commailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com] Sent: Mon, 04 Feb 2013 09:08:33 -0800 Subject: RE: Robocopy reliability I've used it many times for file migration moves and even for permissions copies. Just this past weekend I migrated a pretty complex old Windows 2008 server shared to Windows 2008 R2 this past weekend. I didn't copy permissions since they were a mess. The only errors I've seen were my own, usually syntax or spelling. What are you trying to do? From: Tigran K [mailto:tigr...@gmail.commailto:tigr...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, February 04, 2013 11:34 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Robocopy reliability Having a discussion with the boss on how we should do something I suggested robocopy. His reply was a strict NO. Reasoning was that it's not reliable. He said I've seen it break. So my question is have you seen it break? Is robocopy any more or less reliable than built in copy? I did point out that robocopy is built in to windows as well at least for Windows7. Didn't seem to help. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
RE: On a lighter note for a Friday, Passed my CISA exam (UNCLASSIFIED)
Thanks all, on to the next episode :) or Certification. Z Edward E. Ziots, CISSP, Security +, Network + Security Engineer Lifespan Organization ezi...@lifespan.org This electronic message and any attachments may be privileged and confidential and protected from disclosure. If you are reading this message, but are not the intended recipient, nor an employee or agent responsible for delivering this message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that you are strictly prohibited from copying, printing, forwarding or otherwise disseminating this communication. If you have received this communication in error, please immediately notify the sender by replying to the message. Then, delete the message from your computer. Thank you. [Description: Description: Lifespan] From: Mark Boeck [mailto:netadmin...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, February 04, 2013 10:44 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: On a lighter note for a Friday, Passed my CISA exam (UNCLASSIFIED) congratulations! good work! :D - mark On Sun, Feb 3, 2013 at 10:47 AM, Andrew S. Baker asbz...@gmail.commailto:asbz...@gmail.com wrote: Congrats, Z... ASB http://XeeMe.com/AndrewBakerhttp://xeeme.com/AndrewBaker Providing Virtual CIO Services (IT Operations Information Security) for the SMB market... On Fri, Feb 1, 2013 at 4:09 PM, Kent, Larry J CTR (US) larry.j.kent2@mail.milmailto:larry.j.kent2@mail.mil wrote: Classification: UNCLASSIFIED Caveats: NONE Congrats! -Original Message- From: Ziots, Edward [mailto:ezi...@lifespan.orgmailto:ezi...@lifespan.org] Sent: Friday, February 01, 2013 2:54 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: On a lighter note for a Friday, Passed my CISA exam Just got the official email that I passed my CISA exam, so I guess another Certification on the title and looking forward to the auditing work that comes with it. Z Edward E. Ziots, CISSP, Security +, Network + Security Engineer Lifespan Organization ezi...@lifespan.orgmailto:ezi...@lifespan.org This electronic message and any attachments may be privileged and confidential and protected from disclosure. If you are reading this message, but are not the intended recipient, nor an employee or agent responsible for delivering this message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that you are strictly prohibited from copying, printing, forwarding or otherwise disseminating this communication. If you have received this communication in error, please immediately notify the sender by replying to the message. Then, delete the message from your computer. Thank you. Description: Description: Lifespan ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin Classification: UNCLASSIFIED Caveats: NONE ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmininline: image001.jpg
RE: Robocopy reliability
Yeah I have to agree, never had a problem with Robocopy and the mirror command or any of the switches and done terabytes of data copies with this utility. Z Edward E. Ziots, CISSP, Security +, Network + Security Engineer Lifespan Organization ezi...@lifespan.org This electronic message and any attachments may be privileged and confidential and protected from disclosure. If you are reading this message, but are not the intended recipient, nor an employee or agent responsible for delivering this message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that you are strictly prohibited from copying, printing, forwarding or otherwise disseminating this communication. If you have received this communication in error, please immediately notify the sender by replying to the message. Then, delete the message from your computer. Thank you. [Description: Description: Lifespan] From: David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org] Sent: Monday, February 04, 2013 2:05 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Robocopy reliability Alluding, but I digress :) I believe he is misinformed. I have *never* seen that. Sounds more like something he heard through a grapevine vs. experienced directly. I'd wager if pressed for details on this opinion he will be short on specifics. Don't trust pneumatic tires, they all leak, I know this because my friend's mother's teacher had a flat once... From: Tigran K [mailto:tigr...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, February 04, 2013 10:13 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Robocopy reliability So his reliability comment was directed more toward robocopy utility itself. Eluding to the fact that he's seen robocopy copy files that turned out to be not the same as the original. We're not doing anything complex. We want to copy some files from source control and catch deleted files at the same time. So instead of deleting the entire destination folder and copying new files from source control. I'm saying it's as simple as robocopy /mir and that's it. That way whatever file is removed from source control will get removed on the destination servers as well. On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 9:08 AM, Tom Miller tmil...@sfgtrust.commailto:tmil...@sfgtrust.com wrote: I've used it many times for file migration moves and even for permissions copies. Just this past weekend I migrated a pretty complex old Windows 2008 server shared to Windows 2008 R2 this past weekend. I didn't copy permissions since they were a mess. The only errors I've seen were my own, usually syntax or spelling. What are you trying to do? From: Tigran K [mailto:tigr...@gmail.commailto:tigr...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, February 04, 2013 11:34 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Robocopy reliability Having a discussion with the boss on how we should do something I suggested robocopy. His reply was a strict NO. Reasoning was that it's not reliable. He said I've seen it break. So my question is have you seen it break? Is robocopy any more or less reliable than built in copy? I did point out that robocopy is built in to windows as well at least for Windows7. Didn't seem to help. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmininline: image001.jpg
RE: Robocopy reliability
I have used XXCOPY for the few customers who still think Robocopy is an unsupported MS utility. http://xxcopy.com/ XXCOPY is actively updated and maintained and also has at less 10 quadzillion command line parameters. Thanks Webster From: Tigran K [mailto:tigr...@gmail.com] Subject: Re: Robocopy reliability He was saying we should use just plain old copy. -T On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 10:11 AM, Matthew W. Ross mr...@ephrataschools.orgmailto:mr...@ephrataschools.org wrote: I have never had a problem with Robocopy. It did exactly what I told it to do and gave me detailed information on what it did. I could not ask for more from a command line copy utility. I'm sensing that your Boss has a bias, perhaps due to a bad experience he had previously. If so, what does _he_ recommend? Maybe he has some awesome software I've never heard of. (It wouldn't be the first time!) --Matt Ross Ephrata School District - Original Message - From: Tom Miller Subject: RE: Robocopy reliability I've used it many times for file migration moves and even for permissions copies. Just this past weekend I migrated a pretty complex old Windows 2008 server shared to Windows 2008 R2 this past weekend. I didn't copy permissions since they were a mess. The only errors I've seen were my own, usually syntax or spelling. What are you trying to do? From: Tigran K [mailto:tigr...@gmail.commailto:tigr...@gmail.com] Subject: Robocopy reliability Having a discussion with the boss on how we should do something I suggested robocopy. His reply was a strict NO. Reasoning was that it's not reliable. He said I've seen it break. So my question is have you seen it break? Is robocopy any more or less reliable than built in copy? I did point out that robocopy is built in to windows as well at least for Windows7. Didn't seem to help. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
Re: Robocopy reliability
Copy command failures are the reason we started using robocopy circa about 2002 Sent from my Blackberry, which may be an antique but delivers email RELIABLY -Original Message- From: Tigran K tigr...@gmail.com Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2013 10:49:09 To: NT System Admin Issuesntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Reply-To: NT System Admin Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.comSubject: Re: Robocopy reliability He was saying we should use just plain old copy. -T On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 10:11 AM, Matthew W. Ross mr...@ephrataschools.orgwrote: I have never had a problem with Robocopy. It did exactly what I told it to do and gave me detailed information on what it did. I could not ask for more from a command line copy utility. I'm sensing that your Boss has a bias, perhaps due to a bad experience he had previously. If so, what does _he_ recommend? Maybe he has some awesome software I've never heard of. (It wouldn't be the first time!) --Matt Ross Ephrata School District - Original Message - From: Tom Miller [mailto:tmil...@sfgtrust.com] To: NT System Admin Issues [mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com] Sent: Mon, 04 Feb 2013 09:08:33 -0800 Subject: RE: Robocopy reliability I've used it many times for file migration moves and even for permissions copies. Just this past weekend I migrated a pretty complex old Windows 2008 server shared to Windows 2008 R2 this past weekend. I didn't copy permissions since they were a mess. The only errors I've seen were my own, usually syntax or spelling. What are you trying to do? From: Tigran K [mailto:tigr...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, February 04, 2013 11:34 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Robocopy reliability Having a discussion with the boss on how we should do something I suggested robocopy. His reply was a strict NO. Reasoning was that it's not reliable. He said I've seen it break. So my question is have you seen it break? Is robocopy any more or less reliable than built in copy? I did point out that robocopy is built in to windows as well at least for Windows7. Didn't seem to help. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto: listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
Re: Robocopy reliability
Damien I didn't but I should have. I will if the conversation comes up again. --T On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 11:10 AM, Damien Solodow damien.solo...@harrison.edu wrote: **snerk** Did you point out that the robo in robocopy was short for robust and that it was made and named so because of shortcomings in copy? J ** ** Ask if he’d prefer xcopy. ;) ** ** DAMIEN SOLODOW Systems Engineer 317.447.6033 (office) 317.447.6014 (fax) HARRISON COLLEGE ** ** *From:* Tigran K [mailto:tigr...@gmail.com] *Sent:* Monday, February 04, 2013 1:49 PM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* Re: Robocopy reliability ** ** He was saying we should use just plain old copy. ** ** -T ** ** On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 10:11 AM, Matthew W. Ross mr...@ephrataschools.org wrote: I have never had a problem with Robocopy. It did exactly what I told it to do and gave me detailed information on what it did. I could not ask for more from a command line copy utility. I'm sensing that your Boss has a bias, perhaps due to a bad experience he had previously. If so, what does _he_ recommend? Maybe he has some awesome software I've never heard of. (It wouldn't be the first time!) --Matt Ross Ephrata School District - Original Message - From: Tom Miller [mailto:tmil...@sfgtrust.com] To: NT System Admin Issues [mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com] Sent: Mon, 04 Feb 2013 09:08:33 -0800 Subject: RE: Robocopy reliability I've used it many times for file migration moves and even for permissions copies. Just this past weekend I migrated a pretty complex old Windows 2008 server shared to Windows 2008 R2 this past weekend. I didn't copy permissions since they were a mess. The only errors I've seen were my own, usually syntax or spelling. What are you trying to do? From: Tigran K [mailto:tigr...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, February 04, 2013 11:34 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Robocopy reliability Having a discussion with the boss on how we should do something I suggested robocopy. His reply was a strict NO. Reasoning was that it's not reliable. He said I've seen it break. So my question is have you seen it break? Is robocopy any more or less reliable than built in copy? I did point out that robocopy is built in to windows as well at least for Windows7. Didn't seem to help. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto: listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ** ** ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
Re: Dumb Question - Can other side of VPN connect back to you?
On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 10:20 AM, Jon D rekcahp...@gmail.com wrote: I'm a VPN newb and I know this is probably a dumb question, but I don't know the answer. If I'm on Network A and I connect to a VPN so that I can see the inside of another network Network B. Can 'Network B' people see anything other than my PC? If any viruses were on 'Network B', the only way they could get to 'Network A' would be through first infecting my pc, right? Maybe. Depends on what kind of VPN technology you're using, and how you set it up. If you're running a VPN client (PPTP/L2TP, SSL VPN, IPSec (including DirectAccess), etc.) on a machine in network A to connect to network B, then it's unlikely the other machines in network A will be visible to the machines on network B - though it might be possible if you have turned on network sharing (ICS, IIRC), on the machine in network A - I haven't tried that, though. But f ICS is turned on, then you've essentially turned the machine in network A into a router, and more. I'm sure that there are some other circumstances where the 'A' machines could be visible to the 'B' machines, but I don't consider them very likely. That's part of the reason why it's called a VPN. Kurt ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
Re: On a lighter note for a Friday, Passed my CISA exam
Congratulations! On Fri, Feb 1, 2013 at 2:54 PM, Ziots, Edward ezi...@lifespan.org wrote: Just got the official email that I passed my CISA exam, so I guess another Certification on the title and looking forward to the auditing work that comes with it. ** ** Z ** ** Edward E. Ziots, CISSP, Security +, Network + Security Engineer Lifespan Organization ezi...@lifespan.org ** ** This electronic message and any attachments may be privileged and confidential and protected from disclosure. If you are reading this message, but are not the intended recipient, nor an employee or agent responsible for delivering this message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that you are strictly prohibited from copying, printing, forwarding or otherwise disseminating this communication. If you have received this communication in error, please immediately notify the sender by replying to the message. Then, delete the message from your computer. Thank you. *[image: Description: Description: Lifespan]* ** ** ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadminimage001.jpg
Re: On a lighter note for a Friday, Passed my CISA exam
Flattery will get you a recommendation on LinkedIn... :) On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 11:12 AM, Ziots, Edward ezi...@lifespan.org wrote: Something like that… I forget anymore… ** ** And hell Kurt you probably know more than I will ever be able to fit in my brain… ** ** Z ** ** Edward E. Ziots, CISSP, Security +, Network + Security Engineer Lifespan Organization ezi...@lifespan.org ** ** This electronic message and any attachments may be privileged and confidential and protected from disclosure. If you are reading this message, but are not the intended recipient, nor an employee or agent responsible for delivering this message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that you are strictly prohibited from copying, printing, forwarding or otherwise disseminating this communication. If you have received this communication in error, please immediately notify the sender by replying to the message. Then, delete the message from your computer. Thank you. *[image: Description: Description: Lifespan]* ** ** ** ** *From:* Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com] *Sent:* Friday, February 01, 2013 6:04 PM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* Re: On a lighter note for a Friday, Passed my CISA exam ** ** So this is what - your 37th cert, or something like that? Give us a list of your current certs, won't you? We all need to feel a little inadequate on a Friday. :) Kurt On Fri, Feb 1, 2013 at 11:54 AM, Ziots, Edward ezi...@lifespan.org wrote: Just got the official email that I passed my CISA exam, so I guess another Certification on the title and looking forward to the auditing work that comes with it. Z Edward E. Ziots, CISSP, Security +, Network + Security Engineer Lifespan Organization ezi...@lifespan.org This electronic message and any attachments may be privileged and confidential and protected from disclosure. If you are reading this message, but are not the intended recipient, nor an employee or agent responsible for delivering this message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that you are strictly prohibited from copying, printing, forwarding or otherwise disseminating this communication. If you have received this communication in error, please immediately notify the sender by replying to the message. Then, delete the message from your computer. Thank you. *[image: Description: Description: Lifespan]* ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ** ** ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadminimage001.jpg
Re: Dumb Question - Can other side of VPN connect back to you?
On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 1:20 PM, Jon D rekcahp...@gmail.com wrote: I'm a VPN newb and I know this is probably a dumb question, but I don't know the answer. If I'm on Network A and I connect to a VPN so that I can see the inside of another network Network B. Can 'Network B' people see anything other than my PC? Maybe. If you're asking the question, very probabbly. A VPN is just a network connection. There is nothing special about it unless something is done to make it special. Think of it as an Ethernet cable. If any viruses were on 'Network B', the only way they could get to 'Network A' would be through first infecting my pc, right? Incorrect. See above. -- Ben ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
Re: Robocopy reliability
Robocopy is great, but Syncback might be worth a look in this case also. IIRC it can perform md5/sha1/etc. file consistency checks after a copy, retry, etc., and is easy to configure. On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 2:12 PM, Kurt Buff kurt.b...@gmail.com wrote: Definitely not as reliable as robocopy, in my experience. Kurt On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 10:49 AM, Tigran K tigr...@gmail.com wrote: He was saying we should use just plain old copy. -T On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 10:11 AM, Matthew W. Ross mr...@ephrataschools.org wrote: I have never had a problem with Robocopy. It did exactly what I told it to do and gave me detailed information on what it did. I could not ask for more from a command line copy utility. I'm sensing that your Boss has a bias, perhaps due to a bad experience he had previously. If so, what does _he_ recommend? Maybe he has some awesome software I've never heard of. (It wouldn't be the first time!) --Matt Ross Ephrata School District - Original Message - From: Tom Miller [mailto:tmil...@sfgtrust.com] To: NT System Admin Issues [mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com] Sent: Mon, 04 Feb 2013 09:08:33 -0800 Subject: RE: Robocopy reliability I've used it many times for file migration moves and even for permissions copies. Just this past weekend I migrated a pretty complex old Windows 2008 server shared to Windows 2008 R2 this past weekend. I didn't copy permissions since they were a mess. The only errors I've seen were my own, usually syntax or spelling. What are you trying to do? From: Tigran K [mailto:tigr...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, February 04, 2013 11:34 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Robocopy reliability Having a discussion with the boss on how we should do something I suggested robocopy. His reply was a strict NO. Reasoning was that it's not reliable. He said I've seen it break. So my question is have you seen it break? Is robocopy any more or less reliable than built in copy? I did point out that robocopy is built in to windows as well at least for Windows7. Didn't seem to help. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
Re: Robocopy reliability
BTW - you might point out to him that robocopy is native to Windows since Vista/2k8. Kurt On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 8:34 AM, Tigran K tigr...@gmail.com wrote: Having a discussion with the boss on how we should do something I suggested robocopy. His reply was a strict NO. Reasoning was that it's not reliable. He said I've seen it break. So my question is have you seen it break? Is robocopy any more or less reliable than built in copy? I did point out that robocopy is built in to windows as well at least for Windows7. Didn't seem to help. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
Re: Robocopy reliability
Syncback looks interesting. Thanks On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 11:48 AM, Steve Kradel skra...@zetetic.net wrote: Robocopy is great, but Syncback might be worth a look in this case also. IIRC it can perform md5/sha1/etc. file consistency checks after a copy, retry, etc., and is easy to configure. On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 2:12 PM, Kurt Buff kurt.b...@gmail.com wrote: Definitely not as reliable as robocopy, in my experience. Kurt On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 10:49 AM, Tigran K tigr...@gmail.com wrote: He was saying we should use just plain old copy. -T On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 10:11 AM, Matthew W. Ross mr...@ephrataschools.org wrote: I have never had a problem with Robocopy. It did exactly what I told it to do and gave me detailed information on what it did. I could not ask for more from a command line copy utility. I'm sensing that your Boss has a bias, perhaps due to a bad experience he had previously. If so, what does _he_ recommend? Maybe he has some awesome software I've never heard of. (It wouldn't be the first time!) --Matt Ross Ephrata School District - Original Message - From: Tom Miller [mailto:tmil...@sfgtrust.com] To: NT System Admin Issues [mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com] Sent: Mon, 04 Feb 2013 09:08:33 -0800 Subject: RE: Robocopy reliability I've used it many times for file migration moves and even for permissions copies. Just this past weekend I migrated a pretty complex old Windows 2008 server shared to Windows 2008 R2 this past weekend. I didn't copy permissions since they were a mess. The only errors I've seen were my own, usually syntax or spelling. What are you trying to do? From: Tigran K [mailto:tigr...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, February 04, 2013 11:34 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Robocopy reliability Having a discussion with the boss on how we should do something I suggested robocopy. His reply was a strict NO. Reasoning was that it's not reliable. He said I've seen it break. So my question is have you seen it break? Is robocopy any more or less reliable than built in copy? I did point out that robocopy is built in to windows as well at least for Windows7. Didn't seem to help. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
RE: VMWare snapshot issue
Can you tell me the commands off-hand? I'm fairly new to VMWare and am still learning. From: Damien Solodow [mailto:damien.solo...@harrison.edu] Sent: Monday, February 04, 2013 12:06 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: VMWare snapshot issue But that doesn't answer my question. You can't delete the snapshots by browsing the datastore, but you can delete them via PowerCLI. This would allow you to delete the snapshots one or two at a time to try and workaround the issue since consolidate fails. DAMIEN SOLODOW Systems Engineer 317.447.6033 (office) 317.447.6014 (fax) HARRISON COLLEGE From: Tom Miller [mailto:tmil...@sfgtrust.com] Sent: Monday, February 04, 2013 11:59 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: VMWare snapshot issue I see them when I browse the datastore. From: Damien Solodow [mailto:damien.solo...@harrison.edu] Sent: Monday, February 04, 2013 11:37 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: VMWare snapshot issue Do you see the snapshots from PowerCLI? DAMIEN SOLODOW Systems Engineer 317.447.6033 (office) 317.447.6014 (fax) HARRISON COLLEGE From: Tom Miller [mailto:tmil...@sfgtrust.com] Sent: Monday, February 04, 2013 11:30 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: VMWare snapshot issue They don't appear in snapshot manager. But I can select the consolidate option. After an hour or so is when I get the input/output error. From: Richard McClary [mailto:richard.mccl...@aspca.org] Sent: Monday, February 04, 2013 11:11 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: VMWare snapshot issue Have you started at the oldest snapshot and deleted (rather than consolidate)? To delete each snapshot may take some time - perhaps hours! From: Tom Miller [mailto:tmil...@sfgtrust.com] Sent: Monday, February 04, 2013 9:49 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: VMWare snapshot issue Hi Folks, VMWare question for you VMWare gurus: I'm running ESX 5.0, vShpere client 5.0. I have one server that has many snapshots. It is probably because BackupExec wasn't able to delete the snaphot properly after the vm backup. This is only an issue on this server. When I browse the datastore -- server name, I see at least 10 snapshots. I've tried to consolidate the snapshots via the client, but each time I get an i/o error. Suggestions or is this a call to support? Thanks, Tom ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin The information contained in this e-mail, and any attachments hereto, is from The American Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals(r) (ASPCA(r)) and is intended only for use by the addressee(s) named herein and may contain legally privileged and/or confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient of this e-mail, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution, copying or use of the contents of this e-mail, and any attachments hereto, is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please immediately notify me by reply email and permanently delete the original and any copy of this e-mail and any printout thereof. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions
RE: VMWare snapshot issue
Sure; once you've fired up PowerCLI you'll need to connect to vCenter: Connect-VIServer -server VCENTER_NAME_HERE Now get the list of snapshots for the VM: Get-Snapshot -VM VM_NAME_HERE DAMIEN SOLODOW Systems Engineer 317.447.6033 (office) 317.447.6014 (fax) HARRISON COLLEGE From: Tom Miller [mailto:tmil...@sfgtrust.com] Sent: Monday, February 04, 2013 4:25 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: VMWare snapshot issue Can you tell me the commands off-hand? I'm fairly new to VMWare and am still learning. From: Damien Solodow [mailto:damien.solo...@harrison.edu] Sent: Monday, February 04, 2013 12:06 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: VMWare snapshot issue But that doesn't answer my question. You can't delete the snapshots by browsing the datastore, but you can delete them via PowerCLI. This would allow you to delete the snapshots one or two at a time to try and workaround the issue since consolidate fails. DAMIEN SOLODOW Systems Engineer 317.447.6033 (office) 317.447.6014 (fax) HARRISON COLLEGE From: Tom Miller [mailto:tmil...@sfgtrust.com] Sent: Monday, February 04, 2013 11:59 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: VMWare snapshot issue I see them when I browse the datastore. From: Damien Solodow [mailto:damien.solo...@harrison.edu] Sent: Monday, February 04, 2013 11:37 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: VMWare snapshot issue Do you see the snapshots from PowerCLI? DAMIEN SOLODOW Systems Engineer 317.447.6033 (office) 317.447.6014 (fax) HARRISON COLLEGE From: Tom Miller [mailto:tmil...@sfgtrust.com] Sent: Monday, February 04, 2013 11:30 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: VMWare snapshot issue They don't appear in snapshot manager. But I can select the consolidate option. After an hour or so is when I get the input/output error. From: Richard McClary [mailto:richard.mccl...@aspca.org] Sent: Monday, February 04, 2013 11:11 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: VMWare snapshot issue Have you started at the oldest snapshot and deleted (rather than consolidate)? To delete each snapshot may take some time - perhaps hours! From: Tom Miller [mailto:tmil...@sfgtrust.com] Sent: Monday, February 04, 2013 9:49 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: VMWare snapshot issue Hi Folks, VMWare question for you VMWare gurus: I'm running ESX 5.0, vShpere client 5.0. I have one server that has many snapshots. It is probably because BackupExec wasn't able to delete the snaphot properly after the vm backup. This is only an issue on this server. When I browse the datastore -- server name, I see at least 10 snapshots. I've tried to consolidate the snapshots via the client, but each time I get an i/o error. Suggestions or is this a call to support? Thanks, Tom ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin The information contained in this e-mail, and any attachments hereto, is from The American Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals(r) (ASPCA(r)) and is intended only for use by the addressee(s) named herein and may contain legally privileged and/or confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient of this e-mail, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution, copying or use of the contents of this e-mail, and any attachments hereto, is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please immediately notify me by reply email and permanently delete the original and any copy of this e-mail and any printout thereof. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~
Re: VMWare snapshot issue
Another option I have used. Do a V2V using the VMware converter. You now have a new machine that includes all of the information. Then delete the old machine including the snapshots. After, of course verifying the new machine functionality. On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 1:24 PM, Tom Miller tmil...@sfgtrust.com wrote: Can you tell me the commands off-hand? I'm fairly new to VMWare and am still learning. ** ** *From:* Damien Solodow [mailto:damien.solo...@harrison.edu] *Sent:* Monday, February 04, 2013 12:06 PM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* RE: VMWare snapshot issue ** ** But that doesn’t answer my question. You can’t delete the snapshots by browsing the datastore, but you can delete them via PowerCLI. This would allow you to delete the snapshots one or two at a time to try and workaround the issue since consolidate fails. ** ** DAMIEN SOLODOW Systems Engineer 317.447.6033 (office) 317.447.6014 (fax) HARRISON COLLEGE ** ** *From:* Tom Miller [mailto:tmil...@sfgtrust.com tmil...@sfgtrust.com] *Sent:* Monday, February 04, 2013 11:59 AM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* RE: VMWare snapshot issue ** ** I see them when I browse the datastore. ** ** *From:* Damien Solodow [mailto:damien.solo...@harrison.edudamien.solo...@harrison.edu] *Sent:* Monday, February 04, 2013 11:37 AM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* RE: VMWare snapshot issue ** ** Do you see the snapshots from PowerCLI? ** ** DAMIEN SOLODOW Systems Engineer 317.447.6033 (office) 317.447.6014 (fax) HARRISON COLLEGE ** ** *From:* Tom Miller [mailto:tmil...@sfgtrust.com tmil...@sfgtrust.com] *Sent:* Monday, February 04, 2013 11:30 AM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* RE: VMWare snapshot issue ** ** They don't appear in snapshot manager. But I can select the consolidate option. After an hour or so is when I get the input/output error. ** ** *From:* Richard McClary [mailto:richard.mccl...@aspca.orgrichard.mccl...@aspca.org] *Sent:* Monday, February 04, 2013 11:11 AM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* RE: VMWare snapshot issue ** ** Have you started at the oldest snapshot and deleted (rather than consolidate)? To delete each snapshot may take some time – perhaps hours! ** ** *From:* Tom Miller [mailto:tmil...@sfgtrust.com tmil...@sfgtrust.com] *Sent:* Monday, February 04, 2013 9:49 AM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* VMWare snapshot issue ** ** Hi Folks, ** ** VMWare question for you VMWare gurus: I'm running ESX 5.0, vShpere client 5.0. I have one server that has many snapshots. It is probably because BackupExec wasn't able to delete the snaphot properly after the vm backup. This is only an issue on this server. When I browse the datastore -- server name, I see at least 10 snapshots. I've tried to consolidate the snapshots via the client, but each time I get an i/o error. ** ** Suggestions or is this a call to support? ** ** Thanks, Tom ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ** ** The information contained in this e-mail, and any attachments hereto, is from The American Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals® (ASPCA®) and is intended only for use by the addressee(s) named herein and may contain legally privileged and/or confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient of this e-mail, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution, copying or use of the contents of this e-mail, and any attachments hereto, is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please immediately notify me by reply email and permanently delete the original and any copy of this e-mail and any printout thereof. ** ** ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here:
RE: 2013: Already a very active year for Information Security
Thanks for the info ASB, good reading. Z Edward E. Ziots, CISSP, Security +, Network + Security Engineer Lifespan Organization ezi...@lifespan.org This electronic message and any attachments may be privileged and confidential and protected from disclosure. If you are reading this message, but are not the intended recipient, nor an employee or agent responsible for delivering this message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that you are strictly prohibited from copying, printing, forwarding or otherwise disseminating this communication. If you have received this communication in error, please immediately notify the sender by replying to the message. Then, delete the message from your computer. Thank you. [Description: Description: Lifespan] From: Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, February 04, 2013 3:06 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: 2013: Already a very active year for Information Security http://freebeacon.com/cyber-breach/ http://www.zdnet.com/netseer-suffers-hack-triggers-google-malware-warnings-710776/?s_cid=e589 ASB http://XeeMe.com/AndrewBakerhttp://xeeme.com/AndrewBaker Providing Virtual CIO Services (IT Operations Information Security) for the SMB market... ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmininline: image001.jpg
RE: Robocopy reliability
Would be tough to verify terabytes of data didn't have any errors ;) From: Ziots, Edward [mailto:ezi...@lifespan.org] Sent: Monday, February 4, 2013 1:23 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Robocopy reliability Yeah I have to agree, never had a problem with Robocopy and the mirror command or any of the switches and done terabytes of data copies with this utility. Z Edward E. Ziots, CISSP, Security +, Network + Security Engineer Lifespan Organization ezi...@lifespan.org This electronic message and any attachments may be privileged and confidential and protected from disclosure. If you are reading this message, but are not the intended recipient, nor an employee or agent responsible for delivering this message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that you are strictly prohibited from copying, printing, forwarding or otherwise disseminating this communication. If you have received this communication in error, please immediately notify the sender by replying to the message. Then, delete the message from your computer. Thank you. [Description: Description: Lifespan] From: David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org] Sent: Monday, February 04, 2013 2:05 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Robocopy reliability Alluding, but I digress :) I believe he is misinformed. I have *never* seen that. Sounds more like something he heard through a grapevine vs. experienced directly. I'd wager if pressed for details on this opinion he will be short on specifics. Don't trust pneumatic tires, they all leak, I know this because my friend's mother's teacher had a flat once... From: Tigran K [mailto:tigr...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, February 04, 2013 10:13 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Robocopy reliability So his reliability comment was directed more toward robocopy utility itself. Eluding to the fact that he's seen robocopy copy files that turned out to be not the same as the original. We're not doing anything complex. We want to copy some files from source control and catch deleted files at the same time. So instead of deleting the entire destination folder and copying new files from source control. I'm saying it's as simple as robocopy /mir and that's it. That way whatever file is removed from source control will get removed on the destination servers as well. On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 9:08 AM, Tom Miller tmil...@sfgtrust.commailto:tmil...@sfgtrust.com wrote: I've used it many times for file migration moves and even for permissions copies. Just this past weekend I migrated a pretty complex old Windows 2008 server shared to Windows 2008 R2 this past weekend. I didn't copy permissions since they were a mess. The only errors I've seen were my own, usually syntax or spelling. What are you trying to do? From: Tigran K [mailto:tigr...@gmail.commailto:tigr...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, February 04, 2013 11:34 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Robocopy reliability Having a discussion with the boss on how we should do something I suggested robocopy. His reply was a strict NO. Reasoning was that it's not reliable. He said I've seen it break. So my question is have you seen it break? Is robocopy any more or less reliable than built in copy? I did point out that robocopy is built in to windows as well at least for Windows7. Didn't seem to help. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here:
RE: Robocopy reliability
I thought you had bat for that. From: Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, February 4, 2013 2:27 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Robocopy reliability Not nearly as flexible. Try to use COPY to copy only the new files of a multi GB/TB share... ASB http://XeeMe.com/AndrewBakerhttp://xeeme.com/AndrewBaker Providing Virtual CIO Services (IT Operations Information Security) for the SMB market... On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 1:49 PM, Tigran K tigr...@gmail.commailto:tigr...@gmail.com wrote: He was saying we should use just plain old copy. -T On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 10:11 AM, Matthew W. Ross mr...@ephrataschools.orgmailto:mr...@ephrataschools.org wrote: I have never had a problem with Robocopy. It did exactly what I told it to do and gave me detailed information on what it did. I could not ask for more from a command line copy utility. I'm sensing that your Boss has a bias, perhaps due to a bad experience he had previously. If so, what does _he_ recommend? Maybe he has some awesome software I've never heard of. (It wouldn't be the first time!) --Matt Ross Ephrata School District - Original Message - From: Tom Miller [mailto:tmil...@sfgtrust.commailto:tmil...@sfgtrust.com] To: NT System Admin Issues [mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.commailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com] Sent: Mon, 04 Feb 2013 09:08:33 -0800 Subject: RE: Robocopy reliability I've used it many times for file migration moves and even for permissions copies. Just this past weekend I migrated a pretty complex old Windows 2008 server shared to Windows 2008 R2 this past weekend. I didn't copy permissions since they were a mess. The only errors I've seen were my own, usually syntax or spelling. What are you trying to do? From: Tigran K [mailto:tigr...@gmail.commailto:tigr...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, February 04, 2013 11:34 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Robocopy reliability Having a discussion with the boss on how we should do something I suggested robocopy. His reply was a strict NO. Reasoning was that it's not reliable. He said I've seen it break. So my question is have you seen it break? Is robocopy any more or less reliable than built in copy? I did point out that robocopy is built in to windows as well at least for Windows7. Didn't seem to help. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
RE: Robocopy reliability
And I think I need to trademark your new slogan: There's a bat for that. From: Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, February 4, 2013 2:27 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Robocopy reliability Not nearly as flexible. Try to use COPY to copy only the new files of a multi GB/TB share... ASB http://XeeMe.com/AndrewBakerhttp://xeeme.com/AndrewBaker Providing Virtual CIO Services (IT Operations Information Security) for the SMB market... On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 1:49 PM, Tigran K tigr...@gmail.commailto:tigr...@gmail.com wrote: He was saying we should use just plain old copy. -T On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 10:11 AM, Matthew W. Ross mr...@ephrataschools.orgmailto:mr...@ephrataschools.org wrote: I have never had a problem with Robocopy. It did exactly what I told it to do and gave me detailed information on what it did. I could not ask for more from a command line copy utility. I'm sensing that your Boss has a bias, perhaps due to a bad experience he had previously. If so, what does _he_ recommend? Maybe he has some awesome software I've never heard of. (It wouldn't be the first time!) --Matt Ross Ephrata School District - Original Message - From: Tom Miller [mailto:tmil...@sfgtrust.commailto:tmil...@sfgtrust.com] To: NT System Admin Issues [mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.commailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com] Sent: Mon, 04 Feb 2013 09:08:33 -0800 Subject: RE: Robocopy reliability I've used it many times for file migration moves and even for permissions copies. Just this past weekend I migrated a pretty complex old Windows 2008 server shared to Windows 2008 R2 this past weekend. I didn't copy permissions since they were a mess. The only errors I've seen were my own, usually syntax or spelling. What are you trying to do? From: Tigran K [mailto:tigr...@gmail.commailto:tigr...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, February 04, 2013 11:34 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Robocopy reliability Having a discussion with the boss on how we should do something I suggested robocopy. His reply was a strict NO. Reasoning was that it's not reliable. He said I've seen it break. So my question is have you seen it break? Is robocopy any more or less reliable than built in copy? I did point out that robocopy is built in to windows as well at least for Windows7. Didn't seem to help. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
RE: Robocopy reliability
There is a switch for that. From: Crawford, Scott [mailto:crawfo...@evangel.edu] Sent: Monday, February 4, 2013 5:01 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Robocopy reliability Would be tough to verify terabytes of data didn't have any errors ;) From: Ziots, Edward [mailto:ezi...@lifespan.org] Sent: Monday, February 4, 2013 1:23 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Robocopy reliability Yeah I have to agree, never had a problem with Robocopy and the mirror command or any of the switches and done terabytes of data copies with this utility. Z Edward E. Ziots, CISSP, Security +, Network + Security Engineer Lifespan Organization ezi...@lifespan.orgmailto:ezi...@lifespan.org This electronic message and any attachments may be privileged and confidential and protected from disclosure. If you are reading this message, but are not the intended recipient, nor an employee or agent responsible for delivering this message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that you are strictly prohibited from copying, printing, forwarding or otherwise disseminating this communication. If you have received this communication in error, please immediately notify the sender by replying to the message. Then, delete the message from your computer. Thank you. [Description: Description: Lifespan] From: David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org] Sent: Monday, February 04, 2013 2:05 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Robocopy reliability Alluding, but I digress :) I believe he is misinformed. I have *never* seen that. Sounds more like something he heard through a grapevine vs. experienced directly. I'd wager if pressed for details on this opinion he will be short on specifics. Don't trust pneumatic tires, they all leak, I know this because my friend's mother's teacher had a flat once... From: Tigran K [mailto:tigr...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, February 04, 2013 10:13 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Robocopy reliability So his reliability comment was directed more toward robocopy utility itself. Eluding to the fact that he's seen robocopy copy files that turned out to be not the same as the original. We're not doing anything complex. We want to copy some files from source control and catch deleted files at the same time. So instead of deleting the entire destination folder and copying new files from source control. I'm saying it's as simple as robocopy /mir and that's it. That way whatever file is removed from source control will get removed on the destination servers as well. On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 9:08 AM, Tom Miller tmil...@sfgtrust.commailto:tmil...@sfgtrust.com wrote: I've used it many times for file migration moves and even for permissions copies. Just this past weekend I migrated a pretty complex old Windows 2008 server shared to Windows 2008 R2 this past weekend. I didn't copy permissions since they were a mess. The only errors I've seen were my own, usually syntax or spelling. What are you trying to do? From: Tigran K [mailto:tigr...@gmail.commailto:tigr...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, February 04, 2013 11:34 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Robocopy reliability Having a discussion with the boss on how we should do something I suggested robocopy. His reply was a strict NO. Reasoning was that it's not reliable. He said I've seen it break. So my question is have you seen it break? Is robocopy any more or less reliable than built in copy? I did point out that robocopy is built in to windows as well at least for Windows7. Didn't seem to help. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body:
RE: SMB IT provider Q
That's why I always sell Dell Pro Support. If their business is critical, 5 Years of 2 or 4 hour 7x24 Onsite Service. If the server is older than 5 years, replace it. Let Dell carry the risk of their hardware. Michael Walker Senior Network Engineer Citrus Valley Health Partners 1115 S. Sunset Ave, West Covina, CA 91723 Phone/Fax/Pager: (888) 299-6882 mwal...@mail.cvhp.orgmailto:mwal...@mail.cvhp.org From: David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org] Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2013 9:11 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: SMB IT provider Q I have a couple of clients and they both run SBS2011 Premium in their environments and in both cases I have them on Dell hardware and on top of Hyper-V hosts. It makes sense to me to have ready spare hardware, and it seems to me if I had one server in my lab ready to go as a temporary stand-in Hyper-V host I could offer this as a cheaper alternative as to asking them to have a full 2nd server onsite in a cluster. My thinking is: * Have one server, just powerful enough to work as a stand-in server in either environment (16GB RAM, enough SAS disk space to cover the biggest Hyper-V host) with an IT Garage licensed 2008 R2 Host OS (both my clients are running this). * If either client has a hard server failure, I run my hardware out and restore their backups to this hardware. This gets them up and running while I resolve whatever the issue might be on their production server * Once their primary system is back up, bring this hardware back to my lab It looks like I can get some hardware in the $1000 range for this, but the catch is I'd like to have my clients offset some if not all of the cost. Would it make sense to offer them this spare server available service with a monthly fee associated, or a one-time cost? Surely other IT shops offer the same thing in some fashion. I did a proof-of-concept of this this weekend, I grabbed a client's SBS2011 backup and restored it to my own ITG server (has just 8GB RAM through and SATA not SAS, so not enough oomph to run both SBS2011 and the 2008R2 server that comes with Premium) and restored to it and it worked beautifully. It's possible of course that both clients could have an outage on the same day, in which case I'd totally screwed in many ways, so not sure how to handle not being able to deliver something they've been paying for, except maybe a if this service can't be delivered then something as they do know that I am a one-man shop with a day job to boot. I may be overlooking some other options here as well, so I am open to suggestions. David Lum Sr. Systems Engineer // NWEATM Office 503.548.5229 // Cell (voice/text) 503.267.9764 ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
RE: Robocopy reliability
You are new around here aren't you? :) He's been saying that since at least 1998 or 1999... From: Crawford, Scott [mailto:crawfo...@evangel.edu] Sent: Monday, February 4, 2013 5:06 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Robocopy reliability And I think I need to trademark your new slogan: There's a bat for that. From: Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, February 4, 2013 2:27 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Robocopy reliability Not nearly as flexible. Try to use COPY to copy only the new files of a multi GB/TB share... ASB http://XeeMe.com/AndrewBakerhttp://xeeme.com/AndrewBaker Providing Virtual CIO Services (IT Operations Information Security) for the SMB market... On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 1:49 PM, Tigran K tigr...@gmail.commailto:tigr...@gmail.com wrote: He was saying we should use just plain old copy. -T On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 10:11 AM, Matthew W. Ross mr...@ephrataschools.orgmailto:mr...@ephrataschools.org wrote: I have never had a problem with Robocopy. It did exactly what I told it to do and gave me detailed information on what it did. I could not ask for more from a command line copy utility. I'm sensing that your Boss has a bias, perhaps due to a bad experience he had previously. If so, what does _he_ recommend? Maybe he has some awesome software I've never heard of. (It wouldn't be the first time!) --Matt Ross Ephrata School District - Original Message - From: Tom Miller [mailto:tmil...@sfgtrust.commailto:tmil...@sfgtrust.com] To: NT System Admin Issues [mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.commailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com] Sent: Mon, 04 Feb 2013 09:08:33 -0800 Subject: RE: Robocopy reliability I've used it many times for file migration moves and even for permissions copies. Just this past weekend I migrated a pretty complex old Windows 2008 server shared to Windows 2008 R2 this past weekend. I didn't copy permissions since they were a mess. The only errors I've seen were my own, usually syntax or spelling. What are you trying to do? From: Tigran K [mailto:tigr...@gmail.commailto:tigr...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, February 04, 2013 11:34 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Robocopy reliability Having a discussion with the boss on how we should do something I suggested robocopy. His reply was a strict NO. Reasoning was that it's not reliable. He said I've seen it break. So my question is have you seen it break? Is robocopy any more or less reliable than built in copy? I did point out that robocopy is built in to windows as well at least for Windows7. Didn't seem to help. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~
RE: Java 7 patch 13 out...
Firefox now requires you to click to play any plugin (save Flash, and only if it's the most up-to-date version): http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2414931,00.asp I don't know if this feature has shown up in any of the ESR versions of FF yet. --Matt Ross Ephrata School District - Original Message - From: Ziots, Edward [mailto:ezi...@lifespan.org] To: NT System Admin Issues [mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com] Sent: Mon, 04 Feb 2013 13:46:45 -0800 Subject: RE: Java 7 patch 13 out... Its been beyond ridiculous... and all the 3rd party utilities are always vulnerable (flash, Adobe, Java, etc etc) its what the exploit kits prey on to exploit things. Z Edward E. Ziots, CISSP, Security +, Network + Security Engineer Lifespan Organization ezi...@lifespan.org This electronic message and any attachments may be privileged and confidential and protected from disclosure. If you are reading this message, but are not the intended recipient, nor an employee or agent responsible for delivering this message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that you are strictly prohibited from copying, printing, forwarding or otherwise disseminating this communication. If you have received this communication in error, please immediately notify the sender by replying to the message. Then, delete the message from your computer. Thank you. [Description: Description: Lifespan] From: Stephen Holtz [mailto:ste...@addisonreserve.cc] Sent: Monday, February 04, 2013 2:52 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Java 7 patch 13 out... This is getting ridiculous! If you don't need java it is getting removed. Stephen L. Holtz, MCSE, MCT Director of Information Technology Addison Reserve Country Club 7201 Addison Reserve Blvd. Delray Beach, Fl. 33446 Ph: 561-455-1220 Cell: 561-441-0646 www.addisonreserve.cchttp://www.addisonreserve.cc/ [ARLogo][PlatinumClub][DistinguishedEmerald] Proudly recognized as a 5-Star Platinum Club of America. This e-mail, and any attachments thereto, is intended only for use by the addressee(s) named herein and may contain legally privileged and/or confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient of this e-mail, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this e-mail, and any attachments thereto, is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify me by replying to this message and permanently delete the original and any copy of this e-mail and any printout thereof. From: Ziots, Edward [mailto:ezi...@lifespan.org] Sent: Monday, February 04, 2013 2:13 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Java 7 patch 13 out... Good one I am sure they will bypass the protections in this version within the week, I will just wait for the Post from the Polish Team on Bugtraq. Z Edward E. Ziots, CISSP, Security +, Network + Security Engineer Lifespan Organization ezi...@lifespan.orgmailto:ezi...@lifespan.org This electronic message and any attachments may be privileged and confidential and protected from disclosure. If you are reading this message, but are not the intended recipient, nor an employee or agent responsible for delivering this message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that you are strictly prohibited from copying, printing, forwarding or otherwise disseminating this communication. If you have received this communication in error, please immediately notify the sender by replying to the message. Then, delete the message from your computer. Thank you. [Description: Description: Lifespan] From: Mathew Shember [mailto:mathew.shem...@synopsys.com] Sent: Friday, February 01, 2013 8:15 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Java 7 patch 13 out... O So there is only one exploit! It's Groundhog Day! Patch the exploit. It's Groundhog Day! Patch the exploit. ... From: Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, February 01, 2013 2:52 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Java 7 patch 13 out... Exploit to follow tomorrow, which is Groundhog Day. :-) On Friday, February 1, 2013, S Powell wrote: no that's it... i'm off to update... - Sub ubi semper ubi ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.comjavascript:; with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body:
RE: Disable the Shutdown/Restart button on Windows 8 when RDP
Try removing the Users group from Shut down the system policy at: Computer Configuration | Windows Settings | Security Settings | Local Policies | User Rights Assignments [cid:image001.png@01CE02E9.87DA76C0] Note that this is the default on servers, so this policy has been tested and shouldn't break anything on your Dev box. -Aakash From: Don Kuhlman [mailto:drkuhl...@yahoo.com] Sent: Monday, February 4, 2013 9:19 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Disable the Shutdown/Restart button on Windows 8 when RDP Hi folks. We built a Windows 8 vm for some dev testing. I wanted to disable the Shutdown/Restart/hibernate button when non-admin users are logged in through RDP. I found the links that show the local Group policy option that is supposed to do this, but it's not working. I tried to enable it and then logged in as a non-admin user, but the button and options are still there. This is the local policy setting I found and enabled - User Configuration\Administrative Templates\Start Menu Taskbar Disable and remove the Shut Down command I did some other searching and found a registry change that looks like the same setting done by the group policy - hkcu and hklm \software\microsoft\windows\currentversion\policies\explorer NoClose = 1 Any thoughts? Thanks Don K ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmininline: image001.png
Re: Robocopy reliability
Tough? No, if you know powershell, or can do some shell scripting. Tedious? Oh, yes. Powershell can calculate md5/sha1 hashes, and for batch files, md5sum.exe and sha1sum.exe exist. Something like this: for /f in (dir /s /b g:\) do md5sum %i c:\batchfiles\output\out.txt would get you started. Have to do proper quoting for names with spaces in them, though. The hardest part would be comparing the two lists - one from each machine, especially with millions of files. You'd probably want to break it down into directly-sized chunks. Kurt On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 2:00 PM, Crawford, Scott crawfo...@evangel.eduwrote: Would be tough to verify terabytes of data didn’t have any errors ;) ** ** *From:* Ziots, Edward [mailto:ezi...@lifespan.org] *Sent:* Monday, February 4, 2013 1:23 PM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* RE: Robocopy reliability ** ** Yeah I have to agree, never had a problem with Robocopy and the mirror command or any of the switches and done terabytes of data copies with this utility. ** ** Z ** ** Edward E. Ziots, CISSP, Security +, Network + Security Engineer Lifespan Organization ezi...@lifespan.org ** ** This electronic message and any attachments may be privileged and confidential and protected from disclosure. If you are reading this message, but are not the intended recipient, nor an employee or agent responsible for delivering this message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that you are strictly prohibited from copying, printing, forwarding or otherwise disseminating this communication. If you have received this communication in error, please immediately notify the sender by replying to the message. Then, delete the message from your computer. Thank you. *[image: Description: Description: Lifespan]* ** ** ** ** *From:* David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org] *Sent:* Monday, February 04, 2013 2:05 PM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* RE: Robocopy reliability ** ** Alluding, but I digress J ** ** I believe he is misinformed. I have *never* seen that. Sounds more like something he heard through a grapevine vs. experienced directly. I’d wager if pressed for details on this opinion he will be short on specifics. ** ** “Don’t trust pneumatic tires, they all leak, I know this because my friend’s mother’s teacher had a flat once…” ** ** *From:* Tigran K [mailto:tigr...@gmail.com tigr...@gmail.com] *Sent:* Monday, February 04, 2013 10:13 AM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* Re: Robocopy reliability ** ** So his reliability comment was directed more toward robocopy utility itself. Eluding to the fact that he's seen robocopy copy files that turned out to be not the same as the original. ** ** We're not doing anything complex. We want to copy some files from source control and catch deleted files at the same time. So instead of deleting the entire destination folder and copying new files from source control. I'm saying it's as simple as robocopy /mir and that's it. That way whatever file is removed from source control will get removed on the destination servers as well. ** ** ** ** On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 9:08 AM, Tom Miller tmil...@sfgtrust.com wrote:** ** I've used it many times for file migration moves and even for permissions copies. Just this past weekend I migrated a pretty complex old Windows 2008 server shared to Windows 2008 R2 this past weekend. I didn't copy permissions since they were a mess. The only errors I've seen were my own, usually syntax or spelling. What are you trying to do? *From:* Tigran K [mailto:tigr...@gmail.com] *Sent:* Monday, February 04, 2013 11:34 AM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* Robocopy reliability Having a discussion with the boss on how we should do something I suggested robocopy. His reply was a strict NO. Reasoning was that it's not reliable. He said I've seen it break. So my question is have you seen it break? Is robocopy any more or less reliable than built in copy? I did point out that robocopy is built in to windows as well at least for Windows7. Didn't seem to help. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ** ** ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security
Re: Robocopy reliability
On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 6:13 PM, Kurt Buff kurt.b...@gmail.com wrote: for /f in (dir /s /b g:\) do md5sum %i c:\batchfiles\output\out.txt diff -qr c:\one n:\two -- Ben ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
Re: Robocopy reliability
Oh, gack. That's what I get for doing this off the top of my head... This is still off the top of my head, but this actually has a chance of working: for /f %i in (dir /s /b g:\) do md5sum %i c:\batchfiles\output\out.txt And this might be even cooler: for /f in (robocopy \\server1\share \\server2\share /e /copyall /fp /zb /mir ) do md5sum %i c:\batchfiles\output\out.txt but I don't know if that would work. Kurt On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 3:13 PM, Kurt Buff kurt.b...@gmail.com wrote: Tough? No, if you know powershell, or can do some shell scripting. Tedious? Oh, yes. Powershell can calculate md5/sha1 hashes, and for batch files, md5sum.exe and sha1sum.exe exist. Something like this: for /f in (dir /s /b g:\) do md5sum %i c:\batchfiles\output\out.txt would get you started. Have to do proper quoting for names with spaces in them, though. The hardest part would be comparing the two lists - one from each machine, especially with millions of files. You'd probably want to break it down into directly-sized chunks. Kurt On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 2:00 PM, Crawford, Scott crawfo...@evangel.eduwrote: Would be tough to verify terabytes of data didn’t have any errors ;) ** ** *From:* Ziots, Edward [mailto:ezi...@lifespan.org] *Sent:* Monday, February 4, 2013 1:23 PM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* RE: Robocopy reliability ** ** Yeah I have to agree, never had a problem with Robocopy and the mirror command or any of the switches and done terabytes of data copies with this utility. ** ** Z ** ** Edward E. Ziots, CISSP, Security +, Network + Security Engineer Lifespan Organization ezi...@lifespan.org ** ** This electronic message and any attachments may be privileged and confidential and protected from disclosure. If you are reading this message, but are not the intended recipient, nor an employee or agent responsible for delivering this message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that you are strictly prohibited from copying, printing, forwarding or otherwise disseminating this communication. If you have received this communication in error, please immediately notify the sender by replying to the message. Then, delete the message from your computer. Thank you. *[image: Description: Description: Lifespan]* ** ** ** ** *From:* David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org] *Sent:* Monday, February 04, 2013 2:05 PM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* RE: Robocopy reliability ** ** Alluding, but I digress J ** ** I believe he is misinformed. I have *never* seen that. Sounds more like something he heard through a grapevine vs. experienced directly. I’d wager if pressed for details on this opinion he will be short on specifics. ** ** “Don’t trust pneumatic tires, they all leak, I know this because my friend’s mother’s teacher had a flat once…” ** ** *From:* Tigran K [mailto:tigr...@gmail.com tigr...@gmail.com] *Sent:* Monday, February 04, 2013 10:13 AM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* Re: Robocopy reliability ** ** So his reliability comment was directed more toward robocopy utility itself. Eluding to the fact that he's seen robocopy copy files that turned out to be not the same as the original. ** ** We're not doing anything complex. We want to copy some files from source control and catch deleted files at the same time. So instead of deleting the entire destination folder and copying new files from source control. I'm saying it's as simple as robocopy /mir and that's it. That way whatever file is removed from source control will get removed on the destination servers as well. ** ** ** ** On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 9:08 AM, Tom Miller tmil...@sfgtrust.com wrote:* *** I've used it many times for file migration moves and even for permissions copies. Just this past weekend I migrated a pretty complex old Windows 2008 server shared to Windows 2008 R2 this past weekend. I didn't copy permissions since they were a mess. The only errors I've seen were my own, usually syntax or spelling. What are you trying to do? *From:* Tigran K [mailto:tigr...@gmail.com] *Sent:* Monday, February 04, 2013 11:34 AM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* Robocopy reliability Having a discussion with the boss on how we should do something I suggested robocopy. His reply was a strict NO. Reasoning was that it's not reliable. He said I've seen it break. So my question is have you seen it break? Is robocopy any more or less reliable than built in copy? I did point out that robocopy is built in to windows as well at least for Windows7. Didn't seem to help. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here:
Re: Java 7 patch 13 out...
On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 5:36 PM, Matthew W. Ross mr...@ephrataschools.org wrote: Firefox now requires you to click to play any plugin (save Flash, and only if it's the most up-to-date version): http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2414931,00.asp I don't know if this feature has shown up in any of the ESR versions of FF yet. Click-to-play doesn't and won't exist in 10.0.x. It does in 17.0.x. There's a lot of chatter on the Mozilla Enterprise mailing list about this stuff right now. -- Ben ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
Re: Robocopy reliability
On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 3:23 PM, Ben Scott mailvor...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 6:13 PM, Kurt Buff kurt.b...@gmail.com wrote: for /f in (dir /s /b g:\) do md5sum %i c:\batchfiles\output\out.txt diff -qr c:\one n:\two Interesting. Doing that against the hash lists, or the directory tree directly? If the latter, I don't think it would catch some kinds of errors. Could be wrong, though, and even if I'm right, the errors would be pretty rare. Kurt ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
Re: VMWare snapshot issue
This has worked for us when NetBackup has messed up the snapshots, sometimes need to do it a couple of times. There is a cmd line to run on the host that will clone the disks while applying the snapshot, but I'm not at work at the minute. 23:30 here. I'll dig them out tomorrow. T On Feb 4, 2013 6:08 PM, Robert Cato cato.rob...@gmail.com wrote: I had this happen when using a VDR (vmware data recovery) appliance. I would have to shut down the VDR appliance, create a snapshot from vcenter, then choose delete all snapshots. It would take a significant amount of time, but it worked. http://kb.vmware.com/selfservice/microsites/search.do?language=en_UScmd=displayKCexternalId=1019849 Robert On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 12:05 PM, Damien Solodow damien.solo...@harrison.edu wrote: But that doesn’t answer my question. You can’t delete the snapshots by browsing the datastore, but you can delete them via PowerCLI. This would allow you to delete the snapshots one or two at a time to try and workaround the issue since consolidate fails. ** ** DAMIEN SOLODOW Systems Engineer 317.447.6033 (office) 317.447.6014 (fax) HARRISON COLLEGE ** ** *From:* Tom Miller [mailto:tmil...@sfgtrust.com] *Sent:* Monday, February 04, 2013 11:59 AM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* RE: VMWare snapshot issue ** ** I see them when I browse the datastore. ** ** *From:* Damien Solodow [mailto:damien.solo...@harrison.edudamien.solo...@harrison.edu] *Sent:* Monday, February 04, 2013 11:37 AM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* RE: VMWare snapshot issue ** ** Do you see the snapshots from PowerCLI? ** ** DAMIEN SOLODOW Systems Engineer 317.447.6033 (office) 317.447.6014 (fax) HARRISON COLLEGE ** ** *From:* Tom Miller [mailto:tmil...@sfgtrust.com tmil...@sfgtrust.com] *Sent:* Monday, February 04, 2013 11:30 AM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* RE: VMWare snapshot issue ** ** They don't appear in snapshot manager. But I can select the consolidate option. After an hour or so is when I get the input/output error. ** ** *From:* Richard McClary [mailto:richard.mccl...@aspca.orgrichard.mccl...@aspca.org] *Sent:* Monday, February 04, 2013 11:11 AM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* RE: VMWare snapshot issue ** ** Have you started at the oldest snapshot and deleted (rather than consolidate)? To delete each snapshot may take some time – perhaps hours! ** ** *From:* Tom Miller [mailto:tmil...@sfgtrust.com tmil...@sfgtrust.com] *Sent:* Monday, February 04, 2013 9:49 AM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* VMWare snapshot issue ** ** Hi Folks, ** ** VMWare question for you VMWare gurus: I'm running ESX 5.0, vShpere client 5.0. I have one server that has many snapshots. It is probably because BackupExec wasn't able to delete the snaphot properly after the vm backup. This is only an issue on this server. When I browse the datastore -- server name, I see at least 10 snapshots. I've tried to consolidate the snapshots via the client, but each time I get an i/o error. ** ** Suggestions or is this a call to support? ** ** Thanks, Tom ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ** ** The information contained in this e-mail, and any attachments hereto, is from The American Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals® (ASPCA®) and is intended only for use by the addressee(s) named herein and may contain legally privileged and/or confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient of this e-mail, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution, copying or use of the contents of this e-mail, and any attachments hereto, is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please immediately notify me by reply email and permanently delete the original and any copy of this e-mail and any printout thereof. ** ** ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally,
Re: Java 7 patch 13 out...
There's a lot of chatter on the Mozilla Enterprise mailing list about this stuff right now. -- Ben Ooh, another list to check out... Thanks Ben. --Matt Ross Ephrata School District - Original Message - From: Ben Scott [mailto:mailvor...@gmail.com] To: NT System Admin Issues [mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com] Sent: Mon, 04 Feb 2013 15:25:29 -0800 Subject: Re: Java 7 patch 13 out... On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 5:36 PM, Matthew W. Ross mr...@ephrataschools.org wrote: Firefox now requires you to click to play any plugin (save Flash, and only if it's the most up-to-date version): http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2414931,00.asp I don't know if this feature has shown up in any of the ESR versions of FF yet. Click-to-play doesn't and won't exist in 10.0.x. It does in 17.0.x. There's a lot of chatter on the Mozilla Enterprise mailing list about this stuff right now. -- Ben ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
RE: Robocopy reliability
Really? I musta missed it then. Of course, I've always known there was a bat. I just never heard it stated like that. From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@smithcons.com] Sent: Monday, February 4, 2013 4:31 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Robocopy reliability You are new around here aren't you? :) He's been saying that since at least 1998 or 1999... From: Crawford, Scott [mailto:crawfo...@evangel.edu] Sent: Monday, February 4, 2013 5:06 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Robocopy reliability And I think I need to trademark your new slogan: There's a bat for that. From: Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, February 4, 2013 2:27 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Robocopy reliability Not nearly as flexible. Try to use COPY to copy only the new files of a multi GB/TB share... ASB http://XeeMe.com/AndrewBakerhttp://xeeme.com/AndrewBaker Providing Virtual CIO Services (IT Operations Information Security) for the SMB market... On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 1:49 PM, Tigran K tigr...@gmail.commailto:tigr...@gmail.com wrote: He was saying we should use just plain old copy. -T On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 10:11 AM, Matthew W. Ross mr...@ephrataschools.orgmailto:mr...@ephrataschools.org wrote: I have never had a problem with Robocopy. It did exactly what I told it to do and gave me detailed information on what it did. I could not ask for more from a command line copy utility. I'm sensing that your Boss has a bias, perhaps due to a bad experience he had previously. If so, what does _he_ recommend? Maybe he has some awesome software I've never heard of. (It wouldn't be the first time!) --Matt Ross Ephrata School District - Original Message - From: Tom Miller [mailto:tmil...@sfgtrust.commailto:tmil...@sfgtrust.com] To: NT System Admin Issues [mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.commailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com] Sent: Mon, 04 Feb 2013 09:08:33 -0800 Subject: RE: Robocopy reliability I've used it many times for file migration moves and even for permissions copies. Just this past weekend I migrated a pretty complex old Windows 2008 server shared to Windows 2008 R2 this past weekend. I didn't copy permissions since they were a mess. The only errors I've seen were my own, usually syntax or spelling. What are you trying to do? From: Tigran K [mailto:tigr...@gmail.commailto:tigr...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, February 04, 2013 11:34 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Robocopy reliability Having a discussion with the boss on how we should do something I suggested robocopy. His reply was a strict NO. Reasoning was that it's not reliable. He said I've seen it break. So my question is have you seen it break? Is robocopy any more or less reliable than built in copy? I did point out that robocopy is built in to windows as well at least for Windows7. Didn't seem to help. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage
Re: Robocopy reliability
LOL *ASB **http://XeeMe.com/AndrewBaker* http://xeeme.com/AndrewBaker* **Providing Virtual CIO Services (IT Operations Information Security) for the SMB market…*** On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 5:05 PM, Crawford, Scott crawfo...@evangel.eduwrote: And I think I need to trademark your new slogan: “There’s a bat for that.” ** ** *From:* Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com] *Sent:* Monday, February 4, 2013 2:27 PM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* Re: Robocopy reliability ** ** Not nearly as flexible. ** ** Try to use COPY to copy only the new files of a multi GB/TB share... *ASB **http://XeeMe.com/AndrewBaker* http://xeeme.com/AndrewBaker* **Providing Virtual CIO Services (IT Operations Information Security) for the SMB market…* ** ** On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 1:49 PM, Tigran K tigr...@gmail.com wrote: He was saying we should use just plain old copy. ** ** -T ** ** On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 10:11 AM, Matthew W. Ross mr...@ephrataschools.org wrote: I have never had a problem with Robocopy. It did exactly what I told it to do and gave me detailed information on what it did. I could not ask for more from a command line copy utility. I'm sensing that your Boss has a bias, perhaps due to a bad experience he had previously. If so, what does _he_ recommend? Maybe he has some awesome software I've never heard of. (It wouldn't be the first time!) --Matt Ross Ephrata School District - Original Message - From: Tom Miller [mailto:tmil...@sfgtrust.com] To: NT System Admin Issues [mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com] Sent: Mon, 04 Feb 2013 09:08:33 -0800 Subject: RE: Robocopy reliability I've used it many times for file migration moves and even for permissions copies. Just this past weekend I migrated a pretty complex old Windows 2008 server shared to Windows 2008 R2 this past weekend. I didn't copy permissions since they were a mess. The only errors I've seen were my own, usually syntax or spelling. What are you trying to do? From: Tigran K [mailto:tigr...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, February 04, 2013 11:34 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Robocopy reliability Having a discussion with the boss on how we should do something I suggested robocopy. His reply was a strict NO. Reasoning was that it's not reliable. He said I've seen it break. So my question is have you seen it break? Is robocopy any more or less reliable than built in copy? I did point out that robocopy is built in to windows as well at least for Windows7. Didn't seem to help. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto: listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ** ** ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ** ** ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email
Re: Robocopy reliability
Indeed® *ASB **http://XeeMe.com/AndrewBaker* http://xeeme.com/AndrewBaker* **Providing Virtual CIO Services (IT Operations Information Security) for the SMB market…*** On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 5:31 PM, Michael B. Smith mich...@smithcons.comwrote: You are new around here aren’t you? J ** ** He’s been saying that since at least 1998 or 1999… ** ** *From:* Crawford, Scott [mailto:crawfo...@evangel.edu] *Sent:* Monday, February 4, 2013 5:06 PM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* RE: Robocopy reliability ** ** And I think I need to trademark your new slogan: “There’s a bat for that.” ** ** *From:* Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com] *Sent:* Monday, February 4, 2013 2:27 PM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* Re: Robocopy reliability ** ** Not nearly as flexible. ** ** Try to use COPY to copy only the new files of a multi GB/TB share... *ASB **http://XeeMe.com/AndrewBaker* http://xeeme.com/AndrewBaker* **Providing Virtual CIO Services (IT Operations Information Security) for the SMB market…* ** ** On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 1:49 PM, Tigran K tigr...@gmail.com wrote: He was saying we should use just plain old copy. ** ** -T ** ** On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 10:11 AM, Matthew W. Ross mr...@ephrataschools.org wrote: I have never had a problem with Robocopy. It did exactly what I told it to do and gave me detailed information on what it did. I could not ask for more from a command line copy utility. I'm sensing that your Boss has a bias, perhaps due to a bad experience he had previously. If so, what does _he_ recommend? Maybe he has some awesome software I've never heard of. (It wouldn't be the first time!) --Matt Ross Ephrata School District - Original Message - From: Tom Miller [mailto:tmil...@sfgtrust.com] To: NT System Admin Issues [mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com] Sent: Mon, 04 Feb 2013 09:08:33 -0800 Subject: RE: Robocopy reliability I've used it many times for file migration moves and even for permissions copies. Just this past weekend I migrated a pretty complex old Windows 2008 server shared to Windows 2008 R2 this past weekend. I didn't copy permissions since they were a mess. The only errors I've seen were my own, usually syntax or spelling. What are you trying to do? From: Tigran K [mailto:tigr...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, February 04, 2013 11:34 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Robocopy reliability Having a discussion with the boss on how we should do something I suggested robocopy. His reply was a strict NO. Reasoning was that it's not reliable. He said I've seen it break. So my question is have you seen it break? Is robocopy any more or less reliable than built in copy? I did point out that robocopy is built in to windows as well at least for Windows7. Didn't seem to help. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto: listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ** ** ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ** ** ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to
RE: Robocopy reliability
Was kidding more than anything, but to take it to a slightly more serious level, you'd need a different utility to check the work of the first. If you don't trust robocopy to accurately copy files, why would you trust it to verify itself? Ideally, you'd want a different OS to do the verifying. Heck, to be sure, you'd want to check the platters inside a different drive. From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@smithcons.com] Sent: Monday, February 4, 2013 4:11 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Robocopy reliability There is a switch for that. From: Crawford, Scott [mailto:crawfo...@evangel.edu] Sent: Monday, February 4, 2013 5:01 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Robocopy reliability Would be tough to verify terabytes of data didn't have any errors ;) From: Ziots, Edward [mailto:ezi...@lifespan.org] Sent: Monday, February 4, 2013 1:23 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Robocopy reliability Yeah I have to agree, never had a problem with Robocopy and the mirror command or any of the switches and done terabytes of data copies with this utility. Z Edward E. Ziots, CISSP, Security +, Network + Security Engineer Lifespan Organization ezi...@lifespan.orgmailto:ezi...@lifespan.org This electronic message and any attachments may be privileged and confidential and protected from disclosure. If you are reading this message, but are not the intended recipient, nor an employee or agent responsible for delivering this message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that you are strictly prohibited from copying, printing, forwarding or otherwise disseminating this communication. If you have received this communication in error, please immediately notify the sender by replying to the message. Then, delete the message from your computer. Thank you. [Description: Description: Lifespan] From: David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org] Sent: Monday, February 04, 2013 2:05 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Robocopy reliability Alluding, but I digress :) I believe he is misinformed. I have *never* seen that. Sounds more like something he heard through a grapevine vs. experienced directly. I'd wager if pressed for details on this opinion he will be short on specifics. Don't trust pneumatic tires, they all leak, I know this because my friend's mother's teacher had a flat once... From: Tigran K [mailto:tigr...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, February 04, 2013 10:13 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Robocopy reliability So his reliability comment was directed more toward robocopy utility itself. Eluding to the fact that he's seen robocopy copy files that turned out to be not the same as the original. We're not doing anything complex. We want to copy some files from source control and catch deleted files at the same time. So instead of deleting the entire destination folder and copying new files from source control. I'm saying it's as simple as robocopy /mir and that's it. That way whatever file is removed from source control will get removed on the destination servers as well. On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 9:08 AM, Tom Miller tmil...@sfgtrust.commailto:tmil...@sfgtrust.com wrote: I've used it many times for file migration moves and even for permissions copies. Just this past weekend I migrated a pretty complex old Windows 2008 server shared to Windows 2008 R2 this past weekend. I didn't copy permissions since they were a mess. The only errors I've seen were my own, usually syntax or spelling. What are you trying to do? From: Tigran K [mailto:tigr...@gmail.commailto:tigr...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, February 04, 2013 11:34 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Robocopy reliability Having a discussion with the boss on how we should do something I suggested robocopy. His reply was a strict NO. Reasoning was that it's not reliable. He said I've seen it break. So my question is have you seen it break? Is robocopy any more or less reliable than built in copy? I did point out that robocopy is built in to windows as well at least for Windows7. Didn't seem to help. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here:
RE: Robocopy reliability
I meant that uses only COPY as stated in your challenge :) From: Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, February 4, 2013 5:50 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Robocopy reliability Yes, I do -- several, in fact. A few use XCOPY, but most use ROBOCOPY, and a few let you choose with a config file. ASB http://XeeMe.com/AndrewBakerhttp://xeeme.com/AndrewBaker Providing Virtual CIO Services (IT Operations Information Security) for the SMB market... On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 5:05 PM, Crawford, Scott crawfo...@evangel.edumailto:crawfo...@evangel.edu wrote: I thought you had bat for that. From: Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.commailto:asbz...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, February 4, 2013 2:27 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Robocopy reliability Not nearly as flexible. Try to use COPY to copy only the new files of a multi GB/TB share... ASB http://XeeMe.com/AndrewBakerhttp://xeeme.com/AndrewBaker Providing Virtual CIO Services (IT Operations Information Security) for the SMB market... On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 1:49 PM, Tigran K tigr...@gmail.commailto:tigr...@gmail.com wrote: He was saying we should use just plain old copy. -T On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 10:11 AM, Matthew W. Ross mr...@ephrataschools.orgmailto:mr...@ephrataschools.org wrote: I have never had a problem with Robocopy. It did exactly what I told it to do and gave me detailed information on what it did. I could not ask for more from a command line copy utility. I'm sensing that your Boss has a bias, perhaps due to a bad experience he had previously. If so, what does _he_ recommend? Maybe he has some awesome software I've never heard of. (It wouldn't be the first time!) --Matt Ross Ephrata School District - Original Message - From: Tom Miller [mailto:tmil...@sfgtrust.commailto:tmil...@sfgtrust.com] To: NT System Admin Issues [mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.commailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com] Sent: Mon, 04 Feb 2013 09:08:33 -0800 Subject: RE: Robocopy reliability I've used it many times for file migration moves and even for permissions copies. Just this past weekend I migrated a pretty complex old Windows 2008 server shared to Windows 2008 R2 this past weekend. I didn't copy permissions since they were a mess. The only errors I've seen were my own, usually syntax or spelling. What are you trying to do? From: Tigran K [mailto:tigr...@gmail.commailto:tigr...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, February 04, 2013 11:34 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Robocopy reliability Having a discussion with the boss on how we should do something I suggested robocopy. His reply was a strict NO. Reasoning was that it's not reliable. He said I've seen it break. So my question is have you seen it break? Is robocopy any more or less reliable than built in copy? I did point out that robocopy is built in to windows as well at least for Windows7. Didn't seem to help. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~
Re: Java 7 patch 13 out...
On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 6:42 PM, Matthew W. Ross mr...@ephrataschools.org wrote: There's a lot of chatter on the Mozilla Enterprise mailing list about this stuff right now. Ooh, another list to check out... https://mail.mozilla.org/listinfo/enterprise :-) Thanks Ben. You're welcome. -- Ben ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
Re: Robocopy reliability
On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 6:30 PM, Kurt Buff kurt.b...@gmail.com wrote: diff -qr c:\one n:\two Doing that against the hash lists, or the directory tree directly? Against the directory trees directly. Doesn't work if you don't have access to both trees at the same time on the same machine, of course. If the latter, I don't think it would catch some kinds of errors. It should catch any difference in file content or existence. It will *not* catch differences in metadata (datestamps, permissions, etc.). All diff is doing here is reading each file and comparing them, byte by byte. If all bytes match, no output. If a mismatch is found, it reports Files X and Y differ. If a file/directory exists in only one tree, that will be reported, too. One should prolly force binary mode to be sure. Here are the long options if you prefer: diff --binary --brief --recursive c:\one n:\two -- Ben ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
RE: Robocopy reliability
Might as well keep it native ☺ Correct the drive letters on the second line if
needed.
for /f delims=* %i in ('dir /s/b') do echo %~pi%~ni%~xi files.txt
for /f delims=* %i in (files.txt) do fc C:%i G:%i
From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, February 4, 2013 5:25 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Robocopy reliability
Oh, gack.
That's what I get for doing this off the top of my head...
This is still off the top of my head, but this actually has a chance of working:
for /f %i in (dir /s /b g:\) do md5sum %i c:\batchfiles\output\out.txt
And this might be even cooler:
for /f in (robocopy \\server1\sharefile:///\\server1\share
\\server2\sharefile:///\\server2\share /e /copyall /fp /zb /mir ) do md5sum
%i c:\batchfiles\output\out.txt
but I don't know if that would work.
Kurt
On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 3:13 PM, Kurt Buff
kurt.b...@gmail.commailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com wrote:
Tough? No, if you know powershell, or can do some shell scripting.
Tedious? Oh, yes.
Powershell can calculate md5/sha1 hashes, and for batch files, md5sum.exe and
sha1sum.exe exist.
Something like this:
for /f in (dir /s /b g:\) do md5sum %i c:\batchfiles\output\out.txt
would get you started. Have to do proper quoting for names with spaces in them,
though.
The hardest part would be comparing the two lists - one from each machine,
especially with millions of files. You'd probably want to break it down into
directly-sized chunks.
Kurt
On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 2:00 PM, Crawford, Scott
crawfo...@evangel.edumailto:crawfo...@evangel.edu wrote:
Would be tough to verify terabytes of data didn’t have any errors ;)
From: Ziots, Edward [mailto:ezi...@lifespan.orgmailto:ezi...@lifespan.org]
Sent: Monday, February 4, 2013 1:23 PM
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Subject: RE: Robocopy reliability
Yeah I have to agree, never had a problem with Robocopy and the mirror command
or any of the switches and done terabytes of data copies with this utility.
Z
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From: David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.orgmailto:david@nwea.org]
Sent: Monday, February 04, 2013 2:05 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Robocopy reliability
Alluding, but I digress ☺
I believe he is misinformed. I have *never* seen that. Sounds more like
something he heard through a grapevine vs. experienced directly. I’d wager if
pressed for details on this opinion he will be short on specifics.
“Don’t trust pneumatic tires, they all leak, I know this because my friend’s
mother’s teacher had a flat once…”
From: Tigran K [mailto:tigr...@gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, February 04, 2013 10:13 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Robocopy reliability
So his reliability comment was directed more toward robocopy utility itself.
Eluding to the fact that he's seen robocopy copy files that turned out to be
not the same as the original.
We're not doing anything complex. We want to copy some files from source
control and catch deleted files at the same time. So instead of deleting the
entire destination folder and copying new files from source control. I'm saying
it's as simple as robocopy /mir and that's it. That way whatever file is
removed from source control will get removed on the destination servers as well.
On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 9:08 AM, Tom Miller
tmil...@sfgtrust.commailto:tmil...@sfgtrust.com wrote:
I've used it many times for file migration moves and even for permissions
copies. Just this past weekend I migrated a pretty complex old Windows 2008
server shared to Windows 2008 R2 this past weekend. I didn't copy permissions
since they were a mess.
The only errors I've seen were my own, usually syntax or spelling.
What are you trying to do?
From: Tigran K [mailto:tigr...@gmail.commailto:tigr...@gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, February 04, 2013 11:34 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Robocopy reliability
Having a discussion with the boss on how we should do something I suggested
robocopy. His reply was a strict NO. Reasoning was that it's not reliable. He
said I've seen it break.
So my question is have you seen it break? Is robocopy any more or less reliable
than built in copy? I did point out that robocopy is built in to windows as
well at least for
Re: On a lighter note for a Friday, Passed my CISA exam
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