[nysbirds-l] Tundra Swans on Hook Pond
Pete McNamara and I saw the 2 Tundra Swans on Hook Pond at about 11 am today in their usual place Martin Carney -- NYSbirds-L List Info: http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsWELCOME http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsRULES http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsSubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm ARCHIVES: 1) http://www.mail-archive.com/nysbirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html 2) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/NYSBirds-L 3) http://birdingonthe.net/mailinglists/NYSB.html Please submit your observations to eBird: http://ebird.org/content/ebird/ --
[nysbirds-l] Tundra Swans on Hook Pond
Pete McNamara and I saw the 2 Tundra Swans on Hook Pond at about 11 am today in their usual place Martin Carney -- NYSbirds-L List Info: http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsWELCOME http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsRULES http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsSubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm ARCHIVES: 1) http://www.mail-archive.com/nysbirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html 2) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/NYSBirds-L 3) http://birdingonthe.net/mailinglists/NYSB.html Please submit your observations to eBird: http://ebird.org/content/ebird/ --
[nysbirds-l] White-fronted Goose, 17 Feb
Joe Giunta and I (Sy Schiff) visited Belmont Lake State Park late afternoon. We found 7 Wood Duck, 8 Common Mergansers, Hooded Merganser, Pied-bill Grebe, a Ruddy Duck, 2 Northern Pintail, many Mallard and Black Ducks, but only 5 Canada Geese. On the ice with other gulls was a single adult LESSER BLACK-BACKED GULL. So, we went over to St. Charles Cemetery where we found the huge flock of feeding geese in the SE corner. (We believe this is the flock that comes in the above lake for the night). In a gully from our vantage point, we found 2 WHITE-FRONTED GEESE. We found them when they finally picked up their heads, otherwise they were pretty well hidden, They eventually came out for a satisfactory view. -- NYSbirds-L List Info: http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsWELCOME http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsRULES http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsSubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm ARCHIVES: 1) http://www.mail-archive.com/nysbirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html 2) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/NYSBirds-L 3) http://birdingonthe.net/mailinglists/NYSB.html Please submit your observations to eBird: http://ebird.org/content/ebird/ --
[nysbirds-l] White-fronted Goose, 17 Feb
Joe Giunta and I (Sy Schiff) visited Belmont Lake State Park late afternoon. We found 7 Wood Duck, 8 Common Mergansers, Hooded Merganser, Pied-bill Grebe, a Ruddy Duck, 2 Northern Pintail, many Mallard and Black Ducks, but only 5 Canada Geese. On the ice with other gulls was a single adult LESSER BLACK-BACKED GULL. So, we went over to St. Charles Cemetery where we found the huge flock of feeding geese in the SE corner. (We believe this is the flock that comes in the above lake for the night). In a gully from our vantage point, we found 2 WHITE-FRONTED GEESE. We found them when they finally picked up their heads, otherwise they were pretty well hidden, They eventually came out for a satisfactory view. -- NYSbirds-L List Info: http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsWELCOME http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsRULES http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsSubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm ARCHIVES: 1) http://www.mail-archive.com/nysbirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html 2) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/NYSBirds-L 3) http://birdingonthe.net/mailinglists/NYSB.html Please submit your observations to eBird: http://ebird.org/content/ebird/ --
[nysbirds-l] Fwd: [BIRDWG01] goose ID (David Sibley) weighs in...
I was trying to copy and paste to keep the discussion in one thread but I am
having some trouble doing so from my phone.
For those of you not yet weary by all the "cackling" here is David Sibley's
input. It is telling that David suggests that a hybrid cannot be ruled out.
風 Swift as the wind
林 Quiet as the forest
火 Conquer like the fire
山 Steady as the mountain
Sun Tzu The Art of War
> (\__/)
> (= '.'=)
> (") _ (")
> Sent from somewhere in the field using my mobile device!
Andrew Baksh
www.birdingdude.blogspot.com
Begin forwarded message:
> From: David Sibley
> Date: February 17, 2016 at 5:55:18 PM EST
> To: birdw...@listserv.ksu.edu
> Subject: Re: [BIRDWG01] goose ID
> Reply-To: David Sibley
>
> I agree with the comments by Ken Abraham and Shai Mitra about the
> difficulty of identifying the Central Park goose, and would only add that
> there's no way to rule out the possibility of a Cackling Goose X Canada
> Goose hybrid.
>
> I also wanted to emphasize and expand on the point made by Ken Abraham,
> that "Lesser" Canada Goose simply doesn't exist outside of the westernmost
> states and provinces. This is contrary to virtually all published
> references (including the Sibley Guide to Birds, ahem, but changed in the
> forthcoming revised Eastern and Western guides). The latest evidence
> suggests that the breeding white-cheeked geese of north-central Canada are
> simply Canada Goose (subspecies *interior*) and Cackling Goose (*hutchinsii*),
> both showing a cline of size slightly larger in the south and smaller in
> the north, and with some amount of interbreeding where they meet. There is
> apparently no widespread and uniform population of medium-sized geese in
> central Canada.
>
> Geese that are genetically Canada and as small as "Lesser" have been found
> breeding only in central and southern Alaska, wintering in the Pacific
> states, although it sounds like there has been little study of geese in
> northwestern Canada. Unanswered questions (as far as I know) include where
> and how, or if, these small Canada Geese interact with neighboring
> populations, especially with *taverneri* Cackling Goose to the north or
> larger Canada Geese to the east.
>
> I don't know enough about the rules of nomenclature to know what this means
> for the name *parvipes*, which is based on a specimen from Veracruz,
> Mexico, but certainly in the birding world and discussions like this one it
> sounds like the whole concept of "Lesser Canada Goose, *B. c. parvipes*"
> should be retired, and the Alaska population should get a new name and a
> fresh start.
>
> Best,
> David Sibley
> Concord, MA
> sibleygui...@gmail.com
> www.sibleyguides.com
>
>> On Sun, Feb 14, 2016 at 11:28 AM, Peter Post wrote:
>>
>> I photographed this goose, yesterday, 13 February, on the Central Park
>> Reservoir, New York City. I would appreciate comments concerning ID. I'm
>> leaning toward B. canadensis parvipes. Thanks.
>>
>> Photos can be found here:
>> http://www.ardithbondi.com/page127.html
>>
>> Peter Post
>> New York City, NY
>> Archives: http://listserv.ksu.edu/archives/birdwg01.html
>
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[nysbirds-l] Fwd: [BIRDWG01] goose ID (David Sibley) weighs in...
I was trying to copy and paste to keep the discussion in one thread but I am
having some trouble doing so from my phone.
For those of you not yet weary by all the "cackling" here is David Sibley's
input. It is telling that David suggests that a hybrid cannot be ruled out.
風 Swift as the wind
林 Quiet as the forest
火 Conquer like the fire
山 Steady as the mountain
Sun Tzu The Art of War
> (\__/)
> (= '.'=)
> (") _ (")
> Sent from somewhere in the field using my mobile device!
Andrew Baksh
www.birdingdude.blogspot.com
Begin forwarded message:
> From: David Sibley
> Date: February 17, 2016 at 5:55:18 PM EST
> To: birdw...@listserv.ksu.edu
> Subject: Re: [BIRDWG01] goose ID
> Reply-To: David Sibley
>
> I agree with the comments by Ken Abraham and Shai Mitra about the
> difficulty of identifying the Central Park goose, and would only add that
> there's no way to rule out the possibility of a Cackling Goose X Canada
> Goose hybrid.
>
> I also wanted to emphasize and expand on the point made by Ken Abraham,
> that "Lesser" Canada Goose simply doesn't exist outside of the westernmost
> states and provinces. This is contrary to virtually all published
> references (including the Sibley Guide to Birds, ahem, but changed in the
> forthcoming revised Eastern and Western guides). The latest evidence
> suggests that the breeding white-cheeked geese of north-central Canada are
> simply Canada Goose (subspecies *interior*) and Cackling Goose (*hutchinsii*),
> both showing a cline of size slightly larger in the south and smaller in
> the north, and with some amount of interbreeding where they meet. There is
> apparently no widespread and uniform population of medium-sized geese in
> central Canada.
>
> Geese that are genetically Canada and as small as "Lesser" have been found
> breeding only in central and southern Alaska, wintering in the Pacific
> states, although it sounds like there has been little study of geese in
> northwestern Canada. Unanswered questions (as far as I know) include where
> and how, or if, these small Canada Geese interact with neighboring
> populations, especially with *taverneri* Cackling Goose to the north or
> larger Canada Geese to the east.
>
> I don't know enough about the rules of nomenclature to know what this means
> for the name *parvipes*, which is based on a specimen from Veracruz,
> Mexico, but certainly in the birding world and discussions like this one it
> sounds like the whole concept of "Lesser Canada Goose, *B. c. parvipes*"
> should be retired, and the Alaska population should get a new name and a
> fresh start.
>
> Best,
> David Sibley
> Concord, MA
> sibleygui...@gmail.com
> www.sibleyguides.com
>
>> On Sun, Feb 14, 2016 at 11:28 AM, Peter Post wrote:
>>
>> I photographed this goose, yesterday, 13 February, on the Central Park
>> Reservoir, New York City. I would appreciate comments concerning ID. I'm
>> leaning toward B. canadensis parvipes. Thanks.
>>
>> Photos can be found here:
>> http://www.ardithbondi.com/page127.html
>>
>> Peter Post
>> New York City, NY
>> Archives: http://listserv.ksu.edu/archives/birdwg01.html
>
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[nysbirds-l] Am Bittern - Dune Road
The previously seen and reported American Bittern was seen today, around 12 Noon, across from house #79 (just east of The Berm), East Quogue. The bird was located in the little pond just east of the hunter/fisherman access berm, east of Dockers Restaurant. I was happy to re-located the bird after extremely high tides during the recent storm this weekend. Dune Road was completely flooded in sections during the storm, but most of the mess has been cleared off the roadway now. Eileen Schwinn East Quogue -- NYSbirds-L List Info: http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsWELCOME http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsRULES http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsSubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm ARCHIVES: 1) http://www.mail-archive.com/nysbirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html 2) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/NYSBirds-L 3) http://birdingonthe.net/mailinglists/NYSB.html Please submit your observations to eBird: http://ebird.org/content/ebird/ --
[nysbirds-l] Am Bittern - Dune Road
The previously seen and reported American Bittern was seen today, around 12 Noon, across from house #79 (just east of The Berm), East Quogue. The bird was located in the little pond just east of the hunter/fisherman access berm, east of Dockers Restaurant. I was happy to re-located the bird after extremely high tides during the recent storm this weekend. Dune Road was completely flooded in sections during the storm, but most of the mess has been cleared off the roadway now. Eileen Schwinn East Quogue -- NYSbirds-L List Info: http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsWELCOME http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsRULES http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsSubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm ARCHIVES: 1) http://www.mail-archive.com/nysbirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html 2) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/NYSBirds-L 3) http://birdingonthe.net/mailinglists/NYSB.html Please submit your observations to eBird: http://ebird.org/content/ebird/ --
[nysbirds-l] Brooklyn Iceland Gull
There was an immature Iceland Gull in Prospect Park today. I spotted it at around noon as it milled about on the mostly frozen Prospect Lake with the numerous Herrings, Ring-billed and a few Great Black-backed Gulls. A pleasant surprise as it was a park first for me in my 20+ years of birding Prospect. Good birding, Rob Sent via digital smoke signals -- NYSbirds-L List Info: http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsWELCOME http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsRULES http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsSubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm ARCHIVES: 1) http://www.mail-archive.com/nysbirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html 2) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/NYSBirds-L 3) http://birdingonthe.net/mailinglists/NYSB.html Please submit your observations to eBird: http://ebird.org/content/ebird/ --
[nysbirds-l] Brooklyn Iceland Gull
There was an immature Iceland Gull in Prospect Park today. I spotted it at around noon as it milled about on the mostly frozen Prospect Lake with the numerous Herrings, Ring-billed and a few Great Black-backed Gulls. A pleasant surprise as it was a park first for me in my 20+ years of birding Prospect. Good birding, Rob Sent via digital smoke signals -- NYSbirds-L List Info: http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsWELCOME http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsRULES http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsSubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm ARCHIVES: 1) http://www.mail-archive.com/nysbirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html 2) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/NYSBirds-L 3) http://birdingonthe.net/mailinglists/NYSB.html Please submit your observations to eBird: http://ebird.org/content/ebird/ --
[nysbirds-l] Sands Point Barrows Goldeneye
Looking at the continuing drake off Hoffsets Good birding Rob in Massapequa -- NYSbirds-L List Info: http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsWELCOME http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsRULES http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsSubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm ARCHIVES: 1) http://www.mail-archive.com/nysbirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html 2) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/NYSBirds-L 3) http://birdingonthe.net/mailinglists/NYSB.html Please submit your observations to eBird: http://ebird.org/content/ebird/ --
[nysbirds-l] Sands Point Barrows Goldeneye
Looking at the continuing drake off Hoffsets Good birding Rob in Massapequa -- NYSbirds-L List Info: http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsWELCOME http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsRULES http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsSubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm ARCHIVES: 1) http://www.mail-archive.com/nysbirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html 2) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/NYSBirds-L 3) http://birdingonthe.net/mailinglists/NYSB.html Please submit your observations to eBird: http://ebird.org/content/ebird/ --
[nysbirds-l] geese, Central Park, NYC 2/17
Wed., 17 Feb., 2016 - An update with the smaller (and presumed-probable-potential Cackling) Goose, along with several hundred of its larger Canadian cousins, present at the southwest part of the reservoir in Central Park (Manhattan, N.Y. City) between 9-10 a.m. this morning. The (somewhat) smaller-billed, (somewhat) smaller-in-size goose was at times as close as could be to to the western bank and about 50 yards or so up from the SW corner. I was able to take decent photos in the cloudy conditions, & also helped a few other birders (of those who showed any interest) to see this bird. There were still at least 300 Canada Geese present on the reservoir, along with the smaller one. Other than geese, a lot of other birds were greatly reduced in number, particularly gulls; even with more gulls arriving as I moved on - I saw no white-winged gull while scanning, but it's very possible that an Iceland or other unusual-in-Central species could show again or a new arrival come along. I may get over for a 2nd look later in the day. good birding, Tom Fiore Manhattan -- NYSbirds-L List Info: http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsWELCOME http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsRULES http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsSubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm ARCHIVES: 1) http://www.mail-archive.com/nysbirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html 2) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/NYSBirds-L 3) http://birdingonthe.net/mailinglists/NYSB.html Please submit your observations to eBird: http://ebird.org/content/ebird/ --
[nysbirds-l] geese, Central Park, NYC 2/17
Wed., 17 Feb., 2016 - An update with the smaller (and presumed-probable-potential Cackling) Goose, along with several hundred of its larger Canadian cousins, present at the southwest part of the reservoir in Central Park (Manhattan, N.Y. City) between 9-10 a.m. this morning. The (somewhat) smaller-billed, (somewhat) smaller-in-size goose was at times as close as could be to to the western bank and about 50 yards or so up from the SW corner. I was able to take decent photos in the cloudy conditions, & also helped a few other birders (of those who showed any interest) to see this bird. There were still at least 300 Canada Geese present on the reservoir, along with the smaller one. Other than geese, a lot of other birds were greatly reduced in number, particularly gulls; even with more gulls arriving as I moved on - I saw no white-winged gull while scanning, but it's very possible that an Iceland or other unusual-in-Central species could show again or a new arrival come along. I may get over for a 2nd look later in the day. good birding, Tom Fiore Manhattan -- NYSbirds-L List Info: http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsWELCOME http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsRULES http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsSubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm ARCHIVES: 1) http://www.mail-archive.com/nysbirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html 2) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/NYSBirds-L 3) http://birdingonthe.net/mailinglists/NYSB.html Please submit your observations to eBird: http://ebird.org/content/ebird/ --
[nysbirds-l] Lark sparrow continues at Jones Beach
The lark sparrow is still by west end 2. Sent from my iPhone -- NYSbirds-L List Info: http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsWELCOME http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsRULES http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsSubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm ARCHIVES: 1) http://www.mail-archive.com/nysbirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html 2) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/NYSBirds-L 3) http://birdingonthe.net/mailinglists/NYSB.html Please submit your observations to eBird: http://ebird.org/content/ebird/ --
[nysbirds-l] Lark sparrow continues at Jones Beach
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