Re: [nysbirds-l] Presumed Hybrid Shorebird at Jamaica Bay

[akmirth]

As my wife said “Your enthusiasm I don’t want to kill,dear. You really ‘ave a 
set if you proceed.” Rick’s a tough act to follow buthere goes. 

Te minks (sorry, I was dyslexic there), Methinks thedowager Queen Elizabeth II 
would be appalled at these, oh my god, witlessattempts at humor. Meanwhile, her 
son is known to, while on the green, shank afew putts.

Let the groaning begin. 



Karlo Mirth

(address withheld)









-Original Message-
From: Tim Dunn 
To: rcech 
Cc: NYSBIRDS 
Sent: Tue, Aug 28, 2018 1:56 pm
Subject: Re: [nysbirds-l] Presumed Hybrid Shorebird at Jamaica Bay


I can’t believe I spotted another one of these emails. Is this going to 
continue until it is snowy outside. At least another little stint of nonsense. 
Maybe greater, maybe lesser.  Definitely not common to see such humor on this 
list serve, but I’ve got to get back to work. I’m very tied up at the moment 
(practically ringed in knots) and green with envy at those who have time to 
continue this line of wandering chit-chat. 


Sorry - that’s five minutes of my life - and two of yours - that none of us are 
getting back. Will stop trying to find another use of semipalmated in a 
sentence now. 


Thanks,
Tim Dunlin
Babylon NY
Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 28, 2018, at 12:29 PM, rc...@nyc.rr.com wrote:




Yes, All this sniping can get ruff (I suppose it could be courser, but that 
really would be out of order, murre or less anyway). If you take this thing too 
far you could end up Alle alone – solitary – or else get shoved and fall down 
on your Cox’s.
 
In any case, be careful of the changing weather out there on the flats – the 
sun is bright now so you should wear sunscreen to avoid red shanks or swollen, 
thick knees – but in case it gets cold and windy you’ll want to a plover (your 
own or something you’ve Least) – but even then be careful, if it’s very loose 
clothing (i.e., not a windbreaker but a garment you’d Calidris) you’re taking a 
risk, since the wind can blow it off altogether, leaving you Baird.
 
Okay, enough piping up, not another peep, but there are so many others, willet 
ever end? 
Rick 
 

From: bounce-122821439-3714...@list.cornell.edu 
 On Behalf Of Philip Ribolow
Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2018 10:47 AM
To: Pat Martin 
Cc: Larry Trachtenberg ; Peter Reisfeld 
; NYSBIRDS ; Grover,Bob 
; Andrew Baksh ; Steve Walter 

Subject: Re: [nysbirds-l] Presumed Hybrid Shorebird at Jamaica Bay

 
Now that we’ve baird our best shorebird puns, perhaps the discussion can move 
back upland. 

Sent from my iPhone


On Aug 28, 2018, at 9:41 AM, Pat Martin  wrote:


Knot so fast.

-Original Message- 
From: Larry Trachtenberg 
Sent: Aug 28, 2018 9:04 AM 
To: Peter Reisfeld 
Cc: NYSBIRDS , "Grover, Bob" , Andrew Baksh , Steve Walter 
Subject: Re: [nysbirds-l] Presumed Hybrid Shorebird at Jamaica Bay 

That seemed so stilted; will-let it die a quick death. 

Sent from my iPhone


On Aug 28, 2018, at 8:59 AM, Peter Reisfeld  wrote:


We should leave no turnstone unturned. 

 


On Aug 27, 2018, at 6:53 PM, Paul R Sweet  wrote:

 

A mere peep would be inadequate. We should not stint in this analysis.



Paul Sweet | Department of Ornithology | American Museum of Natural History | 
Central Park West @ 79th St | NY 10024 | Tel 212 769 5780 | Mob 718 757 5941


On Aug 27, 2018, at 6:18 PM, Grover, Bob  wrote:


Take a peep? That’s precious.

Sent from my iPhone


On Aug 27, 2018, at 5:45 PM, Andrew Baksh  wrote:


Hi Steve,

 

Whenever, I see “hybrid” in any reports I am always tempted to immediately take 
a peep. Despite looking at the images from the field on my phone I have to 
respectfully disagree with the “presumed” hybrid call on the bird you 
referenced. 

 

This to me, is just a Semipalmated Sandpiper (SESA). I agree it is  a tad 
heavily marked below but nothing in the structure or bill is suggestive of a 
Western hybrid with a SESA.


 

I certainly claim no expertise; however, my time having Semipalmated Sandpipers 
in the hand and field observations, I have learned to appreciate variation in 
plumage and size. The plumage on this bird in my opinion is within the range of 
just a straight up Semipalmated Sandpiper.

 

When I have a chance, I will take a look on a bigger screen and perhaps provide 
more details.

 

Cheers,



"I prefer to be true to myself, even at the hazard of incurring the ridicule of 
others, rather than to be false, and to incur my own abhorrence." ~ Frederick 
Douglass





風　Swift as the wind

林　Quiet as the forest
火　Conquer like the fire
山　Steady as the mountain

Sun Tzu  The Art of War

 

(__/)
(= '.'=)

(") _ (") 

Sent from somewhere in the field using my mobile device! 

 

Andrew Baksh

www.birdingdude.blogspot.com



On Aug 27, 2018, at 3:09 PM, Steve Walter  wrote:


I’ve posted pictures of an interesting Calidris sandpiper that has been on the 
East Pond at Jamaica Bay. It was 

Re: [nysbirds-l] Presumed Hybrid Shorebird at Jamaica Bay

[akmirth]

As my wife said “Your enthusiasm I don’t want to kill,dear. You really ‘ave a 
set if you proceed.” Rick’s a tough act to follow buthere goes. 

Te minks (sorry, I was dyslexic there), Methinks thedowager Queen Elizabeth II 
would be appalled at these, oh my god, witlessattempts at humor. Meanwhile, her 
son is known to, while on the green, shank afew putts.

Let the groaning begin. 



Karlo Mirth

(address withheld)









-Original Message-
From: Tim Dunn 
To: rcech 
Cc: NYSBIRDS 
Sent: Tue, Aug 28, 2018 1:56 pm
Subject: Re: [nysbirds-l] Presumed Hybrid Shorebird at Jamaica Bay


I can’t believe I spotted another one of these emails. Is this going to 
continue until it is snowy outside. At least another little stint of nonsense. 
Maybe greater, maybe lesser.  Definitely not common to see such humor on this 
list serve, but I’ve got to get back to work. I’m very tied up at the moment 
(practically ringed in knots) and green with envy at those who have time to 
continue this line of wandering chit-chat. 


Sorry - that’s five minutes of my life - and two of yours - that none of us are 
getting back. Will stop trying to find another use of semipalmated in a 
sentence now. 


Thanks,
Tim Dunlin
Babylon NY
Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 28, 2018, at 12:29 PM, rc...@nyc.rr.com wrote:




Yes, All this sniping can get ruff (I suppose it could be courser, but that 
really would be out of order, murre or less anyway). If you take this thing too 
far you could end up Alle alone – solitary – or else get shoved and fall down 
on your Cox’s.
 
In any case, be careful of the changing weather out there on the flats – the 
sun is bright now so you should wear sunscreen to avoid red shanks or swollen, 
thick knees – but in case it gets cold and windy you’ll want to a plover (your 
own or something you’ve Least) – but even then be careful, if it’s very loose 
clothing (i.e., not a windbreaker but a garment you’d Calidris) you’re taking a 
risk, since the wind can blow it off altogether, leaving you Baird.
 
Okay, enough piping up, not another peep, but there are so many others, willet 
ever end? 
Rick 
 

From: bounce-122821439-3714...@list.cornell.edu 
 On Behalf Of Philip Ribolow
Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2018 10:47 AM
To: Pat Martin 
Cc: Larry Trachtenberg ; Peter Reisfeld 
; NYSBIRDS ; Grover,Bob 
; Andrew Baksh ; Steve Walter 

Subject: Re: [nysbirds-l] Presumed Hybrid Shorebird at Jamaica Bay

 
Now that we’ve baird our best shorebird puns, perhaps the discussion can move 
back upland. 

Sent from my iPhone


On Aug 28, 2018, at 9:41 AM, Pat Martin  wrote:


Knot so fast.

-Original Message- 
From: Larry Trachtenberg 
Sent: Aug 28, 2018 9:04 AM 
To: Peter Reisfeld 
Cc: NYSBIRDS , "Grover, Bob" , Andrew Baksh , Steve Walter 
Subject: Re: [nysbirds-l] Presumed Hybrid Shorebird at Jamaica Bay 

That seemed so stilted; will-let it die a quick death. 

Sent from my iPhone


On Aug 28, 2018, at 8:59 AM, Peter Reisfeld  wrote:


We should leave no turnstone unturned. 

 


On Aug 27, 2018, at 6:53 PM, Paul R Sweet  wrote:

 

A mere peep would be inadequate. We should not stint in this analysis.



Paul Sweet | Department of Ornithology | American Museum of Natural History | 
Central Park West @ 79th St | NY 10024 | Tel 212 769 5780 | Mob 718 757 5941


On Aug 27, 2018, at 6:18 PM, Grover, Bob  wrote:


Take a peep? That’s precious.

Sent from my iPhone


On Aug 27, 2018, at 5:45 PM, Andrew Baksh  wrote:


Hi Steve,

 

Whenever, I see “hybrid” in any reports I am always tempted to immediately take 
a peep. Despite looking at the images from the field on my phone I have to 
respectfully disagree with the “presumed” hybrid call on the bird you 
referenced. 

 

This to me, is just a Semipalmated Sandpiper (SESA). I agree it is  a tad 
heavily marked below but nothing in the structure or bill is suggestive of a 
Western hybrid with a SESA.


 

I certainly claim no expertise; however, my time having Semipalmated Sandpipers 
in the hand and field observations, I have learned to appreciate variation in 
plumage and size. The plumage on this bird in my opinion is within the range of 
just a straight up Semipalmated Sandpiper.

 

When I have a chance, I will take a look on a bigger screen and perhaps provide 
more details.

 

Cheers,



"I prefer to be true to myself, even at the hazard of incurring the ridicule of 
others, rather than to be false, and to incur my own abhorrence." ~ Frederick 
Douglass





風　Swift as the wind

林　Quiet as the forest
火　Conquer like the fire
山　Steady as the mountain

Sun Tzu  The Art of War

 

(__/)
(= '.'=)

(") _ (") 

Sent from somewhere in the field using my mobile device! 

 

Andrew Baksh

www.birdingdude.blogspot.com



On Aug 27, 2018, at 3:09 PM, Steve Walter  wrote:


I’ve posted pictures of an interesting Calidris sandpiper that has been on the 
East Pond at Jamaica Bay. It was 

[nysbirds-l] Baird’s still at aviator In Brooklyn

[grubyrun]

As of 3pm today the Baird’s was still at the puddle in front of the aviator 
building in Brooklyn
Thanks to everyone whose posts and help allowed us to observe it!

Robyn


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Thanks to everyone whose posts and help allowed us to observe it!

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[nysbirds-l] Columbia University/Audubon celebration of the "Year of the Bird" - Morningside Heights, Manhattan - Sept. 8

[Nancy Tognan]

Here is an interesting event that a Queens County Bird Club member asked me to 
publicize.

Build a bird lantern in advance or watch the procession on Sept 8 at 8 pm in 
Manhattan:  

https://www.millertheatre.com/events/morningside-lights-flight?utm_source=Miller+Theatre+Email+List_campaign=75a7a92e7e-Newsletter_8.27.18_medium=email_term=0_6e583a835a-75a7a92e7e-89778773

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[nysbirds-l] Columbia University/Audubon celebration of the "Year of the Bird" - Morningside Heights, Manhattan - Sept. 8

[Nancy Tognan]

Here is an interesting event that a Queens County Bird Club member asked me to 
publicize.

Build a bird lantern in advance or watch the procession on Sept 8 at 8 pm in 
Manhattan:  

https://www.millertheatre.com/events/morningside-lights-flight?utm_source=Miller+Theatre+Email+List_campaign=75a7a92e7e-Newsletter_8.27.18_medium=email_term=0_6e583a835a-75a7a92e7e-89778773

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Re: [nysbirds-l] Presumed Hybrid Shorebird at Jamaica Bay

[Tim Dunn]

I can’t believe I spotted another one of these emails. Is this going to 
continue until it is snowy outside. At least another little stint of nonsense. 
Maybe greater, maybe lesser.  Definitely not common to see such humor on this 
list serve, but I’ve got to get back to work. I’m very tied up at the moment 
(practically ringed in knots) and green with envy at those who have time to 
continue this line of wandering chit-chat. 

Sorry - that’s five minutes of my life - and two of yours - that none of us are 
getting back. Will stop trying to find another use of semipalmated in a 
sentence now. 

Thanks,
Tim Dunlin
Babylon NY
Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 28, 2018, at 12:29 PM, rc...@nyc.rr.com wrote:
> 
> Yes, All this sniping can get ruff (I suppose it could be courser, but that 
> really would be out of order, murre or less anyway). If you take this thing 
> too far you could end up Alle alone – solitary – or else get shoved and fall 
> down on your Cox’s.
>  
> In any case, be careful of the changing weather out there on the flats – the 
> sun is bright now so you should wear sunscreen to avoid red shanks or 
> swollen, thick knees – but in case it gets cold and windy you’ll want to a 
> plover (your own or something you’ve Least) – but even then be careful, if 
> it’s very loose clothing (i.e., not a windbreaker but a garment you’d 
> Calidris) you’re taking a risk, since the wind can blow it off altogether, 
> leaving you Baird.
>  
> Okay, enough piping up, not another peep, but there are so many others, 
> willet ever end?
> Rick 
>  
> From: bounce-122821439-3714...@list.cornell.edu 
>  On Behalf Of Philip Ribolow
> Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2018 10:47 AM
> To: Pat Martin 
> Cc: Larry Trachtenberg ; Peter Reisfeld 
> ; NYSBIRDS ; Grover,Bob 
> ; Andrew Baksh ; Steve Walter 
> 
> Subject: Re: [nysbirds-l] Presumed Hybrid Shorebird at Jamaica Bay
>  
> Now that we’ve baird our best shorebird puns, perhaps the discussion can move 
> back upland. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Aug 28, 2018, at 9:41 AM, Pat Martin  wrote:
> 
> Knot so fast.
> 
> -Original Message- 
> From: Larry Trachtenberg 
> Sent: Aug 28, 2018 9:04 AM 
> To: Peter Reisfeld 
> Cc: NYSBIRDS , "Grover, Bob" , Andrew Baksh , Steve Walter 
> Subject: Re: [nysbirds-l] Presumed Hybrid Shorebird at Jamaica Bay 
> 
> That seemed so stilted; will-let it die a quick death. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Aug 28, 2018, at 8:59 AM, Peter Reisfeld  wrote:
> 
> We should leave no turnstone unturned.
>  
> On Aug 27, 2018, at 6:53 PM, Paul R Sweet  wrote:
>  
> A mere peep would be inadequate. We should not stint in this analysis.
> 
> Paul Sweet | Department of Ornithology | American Museum of Natural History | 
> Central Park West @ 79th St | NY 10024 | Tel 212 769 5780 | Mob 718 757 5941
> 
> On Aug 27, 2018, at 6:18 PM, Grover, Bob  wrote:
> 
> Take a peep? That’s precious.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Aug 27, 2018, at 5:45 PM, Andrew Baksh  wrote:
> 
> Hi Steve,
>  
> Whenever, I see “hybrid” in any reports I am always tempted to immediately 
> take a peep. Despite looking at the images from the field on my phone I have 
> to respectfully disagree with the “presumed” hybrid call on the bird you 
> referenced. 
>  
> This to me, is just a Semipalmated Sandpiper (SESA). I agree it is  a tad 
> heavily marked below but nothing in the structure or bill is suggestive of a 
> Western hybrid with a SESA.
>  
> I certainly claim no expertise; however, my time having Semipalmated 
> Sandpipers in the hand and field observations, I have learned to appreciate 
> variation in plumage and size. The plumage on this bird in my opinion is 
> within the range of just a straight up Semipalmated Sandpiper.
>  
> When I have a chance, I will take a look on a bigger screen and perhaps 
> provide more details.
>  
> Cheers,
> 
> 
> "I prefer to be true to myself, even at the hazard of incurring the ridicule 
> of others, rather than to be false, and to incur my own abhorrence." ~ 
> Frederick Douglass
> 
> 
> 風　Swift as the wind
> 林　Quiet as the forest
> 火　Conquer like the fire
> 山　Steady as the mountain
> Sun Tzu  The Art of War
>  
> (\__/)
> (= '.'=)
> (") _ (") 
> Sent from somewhere in the field using my mobile device! 
>  
> Andrew Baksh
> www.birdingdude.blogspot.com
> 
> On Aug 27, 2018, at 3:09 PM, Steve Walter  wrote:
> 
> I’ve posted pictures of an interesting Calidris sandpiper that has been on 
> the East Pond at Jamaica Bay. It was first photographed by Peter Post on 
> Saturday and observed by Kevin Karlson (co-author of The Shorebird Guide). I 
> was able to relocate and photograph the bird on Sunday, then discuss it with 
> Kevin. He’s of the opinion that it’s a hybrid between Western and 
> Semipalmated Sandpipers. In simplest terms, he described it as having the 
> upperparts of a Semipalmated and the underparts of a Western. The bird is 
> 

Re: [nysbirds-l] Presumed Hybrid Shorebird at Jamaica Bay

[Tim Dunn]

I can’t believe I spotted another one of these emails. Is this going to 
continue until it is snowy outside. At least another little stint of nonsense. 
Maybe greater, maybe lesser.  Definitely not common to see such humor on this 
list serve, but I’ve got to get back to work. I’m very tied up at the moment 
(practically ringed in knots) and green with envy at those who have time to 
continue this line of wandering chit-chat. 

Sorry - that’s five minutes of my life - and two of yours - that none of us are 
getting back. Will stop trying to find another use of semipalmated in a 
sentence now. 

Thanks,
Tim Dunlin
Babylon NY
Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 28, 2018, at 12:29 PM, rc...@nyc.rr.com wrote:
> 
> Yes, All this sniping can get ruff (I suppose it could be courser, but that 
> really would be out of order, murre or less anyway). If you take this thing 
> too far you could end up Alle alone – solitary – or else get shoved and fall 
> down on your Cox’s.
>  
> In any case, be careful of the changing weather out there on the flats – the 
> sun is bright now so you should wear sunscreen to avoid red shanks or 
> swollen, thick knees – but in case it gets cold and windy you’ll want to a 
> plover (your own or something you’ve Least) – but even then be careful, if 
> it’s very loose clothing (i.e., not a windbreaker but a garment you’d 
> Calidris) you’re taking a risk, since the wind can blow it off altogether, 
> leaving you Baird.
>  
> Okay, enough piping up, not another peep, but there are so many others, 
> willet ever end?
> Rick 
>  
> From: bounce-122821439-3714...@list.cornell.edu 
>  On Behalf Of Philip Ribolow
> Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2018 10:47 AM
> To: Pat Martin 
> Cc: Larry Trachtenberg ; Peter Reisfeld 
> ; NYSBIRDS ; Grover,Bob 
> ; Andrew Baksh ; Steve Walter 
> 
> Subject: Re: [nysbirds-l] Presumed Hybrid Shorebird at Jamaica Bay
>  
> Now that we’ve baird our best shorebird puns, perhaps the discussion can move 
> back upland. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Aug 28, 2018, at 9:41 AM, Pat Martin  wrote:
> 
> Knot so fast.
> 
> -Original Message- 
> From: Larry Trachtenberg 
> Sent: Aug 28, 2018 9:04 AM 
> To: Peter Reisfeld 
> Cc: NYSBIRDS , "Grover, Bob" , Andrew Baksh , Steve Walter 
> Subject: Re: [nysbirds-l] Presumed Hybrid Shorebird at Jamaica Bay 
> 
> That seemed so stilted; will-let it die a quick death. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Aug 28, 2018, at 8:59 AM, Peter Reisfeld  wrote:
> 
> We should leave no turnstone unturned.
>  
> On Aug 27, 2018, at 6:53 PM, Paul R Sweet  wrote:
>  
> A mere peep would be inadequate. We should not stint in this analysis.
> 
> Paul Sweet | Department of Ornithology | American Museum of Natural History | 
> Central Park West @ 79th St | NY 10024 | Tel 212 769 5780 | Mob 718 757 5941
> 
> On Aug 27, 2018, at 6:18 PM, Grover, Bob  wrote:
> 
> Take a peep? That’s precious.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Aug 27, 2018, at 5:45 PM, Andrew Baksh  wrote:
> 
> Hi Steve,
>  
> Whenever, I see “hybrid” in any reports I am always tempted to immediately 
> take a peep. Despite looking at the images from the field on my phone I have 
> to respectfully disagree with the “presumed” hybrid call on the bird you 
> referenced. 
>  
> This to me, is just a Semipalmated Sandpiper (SESA). I agree it is  a tad 
> heavily marked below but nothing in the structure or bill is suggestive of a 
> Western hybrid with a SESA.
>  
> I certainly claim no expertise; however, my time having Semipalmated 
> Sandpipers in the hand and field observations, I have learned to appreciate 
> variation in plumage and size. The plumage on this bird in my opinion is 
> within the range of just a straight up Semipalmated Sandpiper.
>  
> When I have a chance, I will take a look on a bigger screen and perhaps 
> provide more details.
>  
> Cheers,
> 
> 
> "I prefer to be true to myself, even at the hazard of incurring the ridicule 
> of others, rather than to be false, and to incur my own abhorrence." ~ 
> Frederick Douglass
> 
> 
> 風　Swift as the wind
> 林　Quiet as the forest
> 火　Conquer like the fire
> 山　Steady as the mountain
> Sun Tzu  The Art of War
>  
> (\__/)
> (= '.'=)
> (") _ (") 
> Sent from somewhere in the field using my mobile device! 
>  
> Andrew Baksh
> www.birdingdude.blogspot.com
> 
> On Aug 27, 2018, at 3:09 PM, Steve Walter  wrote:
> 
> I’ve posted pictures of an interesting Calidris sandpiper that has been on 
> the East Pond at Jamaica Bay. It was first photographed by Peter Post on 
> Saturday and observed by Kevin Karlson (co-author of The Shorebird Guide). I 
> was able to relocate and photograph the bird on Sunday, then discuss it with 
> Kevin. He’s of the opinion that it’s a hybrid between Western and 
> Semipalmated Sandpipers. In simplest terms, he described it as having the 
> upperparts of a Semipalmated and the underparts of a Western. The bird is 
> 

[nysbirds-l] Jones beach bar and Heckscher SP

[Sy Schiff]

Joe Giunta and I (Sy Schiff) stopped on the way to Heckscher SP and birded the 
bar at the Jones Beach Marina just before high tide. There were the usual 
Common Terns, American Oystercatchers, Black-bellied Plover, Red Knot, Ruddy 
turnstones and Short-billed Dowitchers. As the tide moved in and covered the 
bar, all shorebirds but the Oystercatchers flew off.

We moved on to Heckscher. The remnant  puddle was about the size of a car. In 
it were 1 Semipalmated Plover, 1 Lesser Yellowlegs, 1 Killdeer and 1 Pectoral 
Sandpiper. The surrounding grass held an additional 8 Killdeer. Very, very hot. 
Birding and photography was done close up from the inside of an airconditioned 
SUV. Very nice way to bird in hot weather.

Back to Jones on the way home. The bar was now partially exposed and in 
addition to the returning earlier shorebirds, there were now some Sanderling 
and Semipalmated Sandpipers. New for yesterday and today was a Western Willet 
and 2 Royal Terns.

Sy

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[nysbirds-l] Jones beach bar and Heckscher SP

[Sy Schiff]

Joe Giunta and I (Sy Schiff) stopped on the way to Heckscher SP and birded the 
bar at the Jones Beach Marina just before high tide. There were the usual 
Common Terns, American Oystercatchers, Black-bellied Plover, Red Knot, Ruddy 
turnstones and Short-billed Dowitchers. As the tide moved in and covered the 
bar, all shorebirds but the Oystercatchers flew off.

We moved on to Heckscher. The remnant  puddle was about the size of a car. In 
it were 1 Semipalmated Plover, 1 Lesser Yellowlegs, 1 Killdeer and 1 Pectoral 
Sandpiper. The surrounding grass held an additional 8 Killdeer. Very, very hot. 
Birding and photography was done close up from the inside of an airconditioned 
SUV. Very nice way to bird in hot weather.

Back to Jones on the way home. The bar was now partially exposed and in 
addition to the returning earlier shorebirds, there were now some Sanderling 
and Semipalmated Sandpipers. New for yesterday and today was a Western Willet 
and 2 Royal Terns.

Sy

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RE: [nysbirds-l] Presumed Hybrid Shorebird at Jamaica Bay

[rcech]

Yes, All this sniping can get ruff (I suppose it could be courser, but that 
really would be out of order, murre or less anyway). If you take this thing too 
far you could end up Alle alone – solitary – or else get shoved and fall down 
on your Cox’s.

 

In any case, be careful of the changing weather out there on the flats – the 
sun is bright now so you should wear sunscreen to avoid red shanks or swollen, 
thick knees – but in case it gets cold and windy you’ll want to a plover (your 
own or something you’ve Least) – but even then be careful, if it’s very loose 
clothing (i.e., not a windbreaker but a garment you’d Calidris) you’re taking a 
risk, since the wind can blow it off altogether, leaving you Baird.

 

Okay, enough piping up, not another peep, but there are so many others, willet 
ever end? 

Rick 

 

From: bounce-122821439-3714...@list.cornell.edu 
 On Behalf Of Philip Ribolow
Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2018 10:47 AM
To: Pat Martin 
Cc: Larry Trachtenberg ; Peter Reisfeld 
; NYSBIRDS ; Grover,Bob 
; Andrew Baksh ; Steve Walter 

Subject: Re: [nysbirds-l] Presumed Hybrid Shorebird at Jamaica Bay

 

Now that we’ve baird our best shorebird puns, perhaps the discussion can move 
back upland. 

Sent from my iPhone


On Aug 28, 2018, at 9:41 AM, Pat Martin mailto:emartin...@earthlink.net> > wrote:

Knot so fast.

-Original Message- 
From: Larry Trachtenberg 
Sent: Aug 28, 2018 9:04 AM 
To: Peter Reisfeld 
Cc: NYSBIRDS , "Grover, Bob" , Andrew Baksh , Steve Walter 
Subject: Re: [nysbirds-l] Presumed Hybrid Shorebird at Jamaica Bay 

That seemed so stilted; will-let it die a quick death. 

Sent from my iPhone


On Aug 28, 2018, at 8:59 AM, Peter Reisfeld mailto:drpi...@yahoo.com> > wrote:

We should leave no turnstone unturned. 

 

On Aug 27, 2018, at 6:53 PM, Paul R Sweet mailto:sw...@amnh.org> > wrote:

 

A mere peep would be inadequate. We should not stint in this analysis.



Paul Sweet | Department of Ornithology | American Museum of Natural History | 
Central Park West @ 79th St | NY 10024 | Tel 212 769 5780 | Mob 718 757 5941


On Aug 27, 2018, at 6:18 PM, Grover, Bob <  
rgro...@gpinet.com> wrote:

Take a peep? That’s precious.

Sent from my iPhone


On Aug 27, 2018, at 5:45 PM, Andrew Baksh <  
birdingd...@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi Steve,

 

Whenever, I see “hybrid” in any reports I am always tempted to immediately take 
a peep. Despite looking at the images from the field on my phone I have to 
respectfully disagree with the “presumed” hybrid call on the bird you 
referenced. 

 

This to me, is just a Semipalmated Sandpiper (SESA). I agree it is  a tad 
heavily marked below but nothing in the structure or bill is suggestive of a 
Western hybrid with a SESA.

 

I certainly claim no expertise; however, my time having Semipalmated Sandpipers 
in the hand and field observations, I have learned to appreciate variation in 
plumage and size. The plumage on this bird in my opinion is within the range of 
just a straight up Semipalmated Sandpiper.

 

When I have a chance, I will take a look on a bigger screen and perhaps provide 
more details.

 

Cheers,



"I prefer to be true to myself, even at the hazard of incurring the ridicule of 
others, rather than to be false, and to incur my own abhorrence." ~ Frederick 
Douglass





風　Swift as the wind

林　Quiet as the forest
火　Conquer like the fire
山　Steady as the mountain

 

 Sun Tzu   

 The Art of War

 

(\__/)
(= '.'=)

(") _ (") 

Sent from somewhere in the field using my mobile device! 

 

Andrew Baksh

 

 www.birdingdude.blogspot.com


On Aug 27, 2018, at 3:09 PM, Steve Walter <  
swalte...@verizon.net> wrote:

I’ve posted pictures of an interesting Calidris sandpiper that has been on the 
East Pond at Jamaica Bay. It was first photographed by Peter Post on Saturday 
and observed by Kevin Karlson (co-author of The Shorebird Guide). I was able to 
relocate and photograph the bird on Sunday, then discuss it with Kevin. He’s of 
the opinion that it’s a hybrid between Western and Semipalmated Sandpipers. In 
simplest terms, he 

RE: [nysbirds-l] Presumed Hybrid Shorebird at Jamaica Bay

[rcech]

Yes, All this sniping can get ruff (I suppose it could be courser, but that 
really would be out of order, murre or less anyway). If you take this thing too 
far you could end up Alle alone – solitary – or else get shoved and fall down 
on your Cox’s.

 

In any case, be careful of the changing weather out there on the flats – the 
sun is bright now so you should wear sunscreen to avoid red shanks or swollen, 
thick knees – but in case it gets cold and windy you’ll want to a plover (your 
own or something you’ve Least) – but even then be careful, if it’s very loose 
clothing (i.e., not a windbreaker but a garment you’d Calidris) you’re taking a 
risk, since the wind can blow it off altogether, leaving you Baird.

 

Okay, enough piping up, not another peep, but there are so many others, willet 
ever end? 

Rick 

 

From: bounce-122821439-3714...@list.cornell.edu 
 On Behalf Of Philip Ribolow
Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2018 10:47 AM
To: Pat Martin 
Cc: Larry Trachtenberg ; Peter Reisfeld 
; NYSBIRDS ; Grover,Bob 
; Andrew Baksh ; Steve Walter 

Subject: Re: [nysbirds-l] Presumed Hybrid Shorebird at Jamaica Bay

 

Now that we’ve baird our best shorebird puns, perhaps the discussion can move 
back upland. 

Sent from my iPhone


On Aug 28, 2018, at 9:41 AM, Pat Martin mailto:emartin...@earthlink.net> > wrote:

Knot so fast.

-Original Message- 
From: Larry Trachtenberg 
Sent: Aug 28, 2018 9:04 AM 
To: Peter Reisfeld 
Cc: NYSBIRDS , "Grover, Bob" , Andrew Baksh , Steve Walter 
Subject: Re: [nysbirds-l] Presumed Hybrid Shorebird at Jamaica Bay 

That seemed so stilted; will-let it die a quick death. 

Sent from my iPhone


On Aug 28, 2018, at 8:59 AM, Peter Reisfeld mailto:drpi...@yahoo.com> > wrote:

We should leave no turnstone unturned. 

 

On Aug 27, 2018, at 6:53 PM, Paul R Sweet mailto:sw...@amnh.org> > wrote:

 

A mere peep would be inadequate. We should not stint in this analysis.



Paul Sweet | Department of Ornithology | American Museum of Natural History | 
Central Park West @ 79th St | NY 10024 | Tel 212 769 5780 | Mob 718 757 5941


On Aug 27, 2018, at 6:18 PM, Grover, Bob <  
rgro...@gpinet.com> wrote:

Take a peep? That’s precious.

Sent from my iPhone


On Aug 27, 2018, at 5:45 PM, Andrew Baksh <  
birdingd...@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi Steve,

 

Whenever, I see “hybrid” in any reports I am always tempted to immediately take 
a peep. Despite looking at the images from the field on my phone I have to 
respectfully disagree with the “presumed” hybrid call on the bird you 
referenced. 

 

This to me, is just a Semipalmated Sandpiper (SESA). I agree it is  a tad 
heavily marked below but nothing in the structure or bill is suggestive of a 
Western hybrid with a SESA.

 

I certainly claim no expertise; however, my time having Semipalmated Sandpipers 
in the hand and field observations, I have learned to appreciate variation in 
plumage and size. The plumage on this bird in my opinion is within the range of 
just a straight up Semipalmated Sandpiper.

 

When I have a chance, I will take a look on a bigger screen and perhaps provide 
more details.

 

Cheers,



"I prefer to be true to myself, even at the hazard of incurring the ridicule of 
others, rather than to be false, and to incur my own abhorrence." ~ Frederick 
Douglass





風　Swift as the wind

林　Quiet as the forest
火　Conquer like the fire
山　Steady as the mountain

 

 Sun Tzu   

 The Art of War

 

(\__/)
(= '.'=)

(") _ (") 

Sent from somewhere in the field using my mobile device! 

 

Andrew Baksh

 

 www.birdingdude.blogspot.com


On Aug 27, 2018, at 3:09 PM, Steve Walter <  
swalte...@verizon.net> wrote:

I’ve posted pictures of an interesting Calidris sandpiper that has been on the 
East Pond at Jamaica Bay. It was first photographed by Peter Post on Saturday 
and observed by Kevin Karlson (co-author of The Shorebird Guide). I was able to 
relocate and photograph the bird on Sunday, then discuss it with Kevin. He’s of 
the opinion that it’s a hybrid between Western and Semipalmated Sandpipers. In 
simplest terms, he 

[nysbirds-l] Kings County Baird's continues

[Sean Sime]

The juvenile Baird's Sandpiper continued through 9:30am this morning at
Floyd Bennett Field. It was using the fast shrinking puddle in the Aviator
Sports parking lot, but has been known to move to the puddle opposite the
community gardens as well.
Also present were Least and Semipalmated Sandpipers, Killdeer and
Semipalmated Plovers.

Good birding,

Sean Sime
Brooklyn, NY

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[nysbirds-l] Kings County Baird's continues

[Sean Sime]

The juvenile Baird's Sandpiper continued through 9:30am this morning at
Floyd Bennett Field. It was using the fast shrinking puddle in the Aviator
Sports parking lot, but has been known to move to the puddle opposite the
community gardens as well.
Also present were Least and Semipalmated Sandpipers, Killdeer and
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Re: [nysbirds-l] Presumed Hybrid Shorebird at Jamaica Bay

[Philip Ribolow]

Now that we’ve baird our best shorebird puns, perhaps the discussion can move 
back upland.

Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 28, 2018, at 9:41 AM, Pat Martin 
mailto:emartin...@earthlink.net>> wrote:

Knot so fast.

-Original Message-
From: Larry Trachtenberg
Sent: Aug 28, 2018 9:04 AM
To: Peter Reisfeld
Cc: NYSBIRDS , "Grover, Bob" , Andrew Baksh , Steve Walter
Subject: Re: [nysbirds-l] Presumed Hybrid Shorebird at Jamaica Bay

That seemed so stilted; will-let it die a quick death.

Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 28, 2018, at 8:59 AM, Peter Reisfeld 
mailto:drpi...@yahoo.com>> wrote:

We should leave no turnstone unturned.

On Aug 27, 2018, at 6:53 PM, Paul R Sweet 
mailto:sw...@amnh.org>> wrote:

A mere peep would be inadequate. We should not stint in this analysis.

Paul Sweet | Department of Ornithology | American Museum of Natural History | 
Central Park West @ 79th St | NY 10024 | Tel 212 769 5780 | Mob 718 757 5941

On Aug 27, 2018, at 6:18 PM, Grover, Bob 
mailto:rgro...@gpinet.com>> wrote:

Take a peep? That’s precious.

Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 27, 2018, at 5:45 PM, Andrew Baksh 
mailto:birdingd...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Hi Steve,

Whenever, I see “hybrid” in any reports I am always tempted to immediately take 
a peep. Despite looking at the images from the field on my phone I have to 
respectfully disagree with the “presumed” hybrid call on the bird you 
referenced.

This to me, is just a Semipalmated Sandpiper (SESA). I agree it is  a tad 
heavily marked below but nothing in the structure or bill is suggestive of a 
Western hybrid with a SESA.

I certainly claim no expertise; however, my time having Semipalmated Sandpipers 
in the hand and field observations, I have learned to appreciate variation in 
plumage and size. The plumage on this bird in my opinion is within the range of 
just a straight up Semipalmated Sandpiper.

When I have a chance, I will take a look on a bigger screen and perhaps provide 
more details.

Cheers,


"I prefer to be true to myself, even at the hazard of incurring the ridicule of 
others, rather than to be false, and to incur my own abhorrence." ~ Frederick 
Douglass

風　Swift as the wind
林　Quiet as the forest
火　Conquer like the fire
山　Steady as the mountain
Sun 
Tzu
  The Art of 
War

(\__/)
(= '.'=)
(") _ (")
Sent from somewhere in the field using my mobile device!

Andrew Baksh
www.birdingdude.blogspot.com

On Aug 27, 2018, at 3:09 PM, Steve Walter 
mailto:swalte...@verizon.net>> wrote:

I’ve posted pictures of an interesting Calidris sandpiper that has been on the 
East Pond at Jamaica Bay. It was first photographed by Peter Post on Saturday 
and observed by Kevin Karlson (co-author of The Shorebird Guide). I was able to 
relocate and photograph the bird on Sunday, then discuss it with Kevin. He’s of 
the opinion that it’s a hybrid between Western and Semipalmated Sandpipers. In 
simplest terms, he described it as having the upperparts of a Semipalmated and 
the underparts of a Western. The bird is extensively marked underneath, not 
only along the flanks, but on the belly. Semipalmated would never be like that. 
And actually, neither species should be so extensively marked this late. The 
bill looks like that of a Semipalmated, while the head shows a squared look 
more typical of a Western. Pictures can be seen at my web site 
http://stevewalternature.com/
  under Birds, Recent Work.

For the record, other weekend birds at Jamaica Bay other than the much 
ballyhooed Hudsonian Godwit, include 1 Caspian Tern on the pond Saturday and 2 
fly bys Sunday, at least one juvenile Western Sandpiper both days, many 
White-rumped Sandpipers, and Stilt Sandpiper now starting to appear in the 
juvenile form. A Common Raven was seen by many, soaring over the visitor center 
Saturday.

The water level is decidedly on the high side, but there’s enough room for 
birds and people. Getting to the raunt requires walking through water in 
places. Note that the safest passage is sometimes well away from 

Re: [nysbirds-l] Presumed Hybrid Shorebird at Jamaica Bay

[Philip Ribolow]

Now that we’ve baird our best shorebird puns, perhaps the discussion can move 
back upland.

Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 28, 2018, at 9:41 AM, Pat Martin 
mailto:emartin...@earthlink.net>> wrote:

Knot so fast.

-Original Message-
From: Larry Trachtenberg
Sent: Aug 28, 2018 9:04 AM
To: Peter Reisfeld
Cc: NYSBIRDS , "Grover, Bob" , Andrew Baksh , Steve Walter
Subject: Re: [nysbirds-l] Presumed Hybrid Shorebird at Jamaica Bay

That seemed so stilted; will-let it die a quick death.

Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 28, 2018, at 8:59 AM, Peter Reisfeld 
mailto:drpi...@yahoo.com>> wrote:

We should leave no turnstone unturned.

On Aug 27, 2018, at 6:53 PM, Paul R Sweet 
mailto:sw...@amnh.org>> wrote:

A mere peep would be inadequate. We should not stint in this analysis.

Paul Sweet | Department of Ornithology | American Museum of Natural History | 
Central Park West @ 79th St | NY 10024 | Tel 212 769 5780 | Mob 718 757 5941

On Aug 27, 2018, at 6:18 PM, Grover, Bob 
mailto:rgro...@gpinet.com>> wrote:

Take a peep? That’s precious.

Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 27, 2018, at 5:45 PM, Andrew Baksh 
mailto:birdingd...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Hi Steve,

Whenever, I see “hybrid” in any reports I am always tempted to immediately take 
a peep. Despite looking at the images from the field on my phone I have to 
respectfully disagree with the “presumed” hybrid call on the bird you 
referenced.

This to me, is just a Semipalmated Sandpiper (SESA). I agree it is  a tad 
heavily marked below but nothing in the structure or bill is suggestive of a 
Western hybrid with a SESA.

I certainly claim no expertise; however, my time having Semipalmated Sandpipers 
in the hand and field observations, I have learned to appreciate variation in 
plumage and size. The plumage on this bird in my opinion is within the range of 
just a straight up Semipalmated Sandpiper.

When I have a chance, I will take a look on a bigger screen and perhaps provide 
more details.

Cheers,


"I prefer to be true to myself, even at the hazard of incurring the ridicule of 
others, rather than to be false, and to incur my own abhorrence." ~ Frederick 
Douglass

風　Swift as the wind
林　Quiet as the forest
火　Conquer like the fire
山　Steady as the mountain
Sun 
Tzu
  The Art of 
War

(\__/)
(= '.'=)
(") _ (")
Sent from somewhere in the field using my mobile device!

Andrew Baksh
www.birdingdude.blogspot.com

On Aug 27, 2018, at 3:09 PM, Steve Walter 
mailto:swalte...@verizon.net>> wrote:

I’ve posted pictures of an interesting Calidris sandpiper that has been on the 
East Pond at Jamaica Bay. It was first photographed by Peter Post on Saturday 
and observed by Kevin Karlson (co-author of The Shorebird Guide). I was able to 
relocate and photograph the bird on Sunday, then discuss it with Kevin. He’s of 
the opinion that it’s a hybrid between Western and Semipalmated Sandpipers. In 
simplest terms, he described it as having the upperparts of a Semipalmated and 
the underparts of a Western. The bird is extensively marked underneath, not 
only along the flanks, but on the belly. Semipalmated would never be like that. 
And actually, neither species should be so extensively marked this late. The 
bill looks like that of a Semipalmated, while the head shows a squared look 
more typical of a Western. Pictures can be seen at my web site 
http://stevewalternature.com/
  under Birds, Recent Work.

For the record, other weekend birds at Jamaica Bay other than the much 
ballyhooed Hudsonian Godwit, include 1 Caspian Tern on the pond Saturday and 2 
fly bys Sunday, at least one juvenile Western Sandpiper both days, many 
White-rumped Sandpipers, and Stilt Sandpiper now starting to appear in the 
juvenile form. A Common Raven was seen by many, soaring over the visitor center 
Saturday.

The water level is decidedly on the high side, but there’s enough room for 
birds and people. Getting to the raunt requires walking through water in 
places. Note that the safest passage is sometimes well away from 

Re: [nysbirds-l] Presumed Hybrid Shorebird at Jamaica Bay

[Pat Martin]

Knot so fast.-Original Message-
From: Larry Trachtenberg 
Sent: Aug 28, 2018 9:04 AM
To: Peter Reisfeld 
Cc: NYSBIRDS , "Grover, Bob" , Andrew Baksh , Steve Walter 
Subject: Re: [nysbirds-l] Presumed Hybrid Shorebird at Jamaica Bay






That seemed so stilted; will-let it die a quick death. 

Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 28, 2018, at 8:59 AM, Peter Reisfeld  wrote:



We should leave no turnstone unturned.




On Aug 27, 2018, at 6:53 PM, Paul R Sweet  wrote:

A
 mere peep would be inadequate. We should not stint in this analysis.


Paul Sweet | Department of Ornithology | American Museum of Natural History | Central Park West @ 79th St | NY 10024 | Tel 212 769 5780 | Mob 718 757 5941


On Aug 27, 2018, at 6:18 PM, Grover, Bob  wrote:



Take a peep? That’s precious.

Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 27, 2018, at 5:45 PM, Andrew Baksh  wrote:





Hi Steve,


Whenever, I see “hybrid” in any reports I am always tempted to immediately take a peep. Despite looking at the images from the field on my phone I have to respectfully disagree with the “presumed” hybrid call on the bird you referenced. 


This to me, is just a Semipalmated Sandpiper (SESA). I agree it is  a tad heavily marked below but nothing in the structure or bill is suggestive of a Western hybrid with a SESA.



I certainly claim no expertise; however, my time having Semipalmated Sandpipers in the hand and field observations, I have learned to appreciate variation in plumage and size. The plumage on this bird in my opinion is within the range of just
 a straight up Semipalmated Sandpiper.


When I have a chance, I will take a look on a bigger screen and perhaps provide more details.


Cheers,



"I prefer to be true to myself, even at the hazard of incurring the ridicule of
 others, rather than to be false, and to incur my own abhorrence." ~ Frederick Douglass




風　Swift as the wind

林　Quiet as the forest
火　Conquer like the fire
山　Steady as the mountain
Sun
 Tzu  The
 Art of War


(\__/)
(= '.'=)                                            
(") _ (")                                     
Sent from somewhere in the field using my mobile device! 


Andrew Baksh
www.birdingdude.blogspot.com


On Aug 27, 2018, at 3:09 PM, Steve Walter  wrote:






I’ve posted pictures of an interesting Calidris sandpiper that has been on the East Pond at Jamaica Bay. It was first photographed by Peter Post on Saturday and observed by Kevin Karlson (co-author of The
 Shorebird Guide). I was able to relocate and photograph the bird on Sunday, then discuss it with Kevin. He’s of the opinion that it’s a hybrid between Western and Semipalmated Sandpipers. In simplest
 terms, he described it as having the upperparts of a Semipalmated and the underparts of a Western. The bird is extensively marked underneath, not only along the flanks, but on the belly. Semipalmated would never be like that. And actually, neither species
 should be so extensively marked this late. The bill looks like that of a Semipalmated, while the head shows a squared look more typical of a Western. Pictures can be seen at my web site http://stevewalternature.com/  under
 Birds, Recent Work. 

 

For the record, other weekend birds at Jamaica Bay other than the much ballyhooed Hudsonian Godwit, include 1 Caspian Tern on the pond Saturday and 2 fly bys Sunday, at least one juvenile Western Sandpiper both days, many White-rumped Sandpipers, and Stilt
 Sandpiper now starting to appear in the juvenile form. A Common Raven was seen by many, soaring over the visitor center Saturday.

 

The water level is decidedly on the high side, but there’s enough room for birds and people. Getting to the raunt requires walking through water in places. Note that the safest passage is sometimes well away from the edge of the pond. There are two deeper puddles
 that reach the phragmites in the southeast corner. Do not walk along their edges. And also watch out for the Salt Marsh Fleabane, if you can. These plants are in full bloom now and adding a touch of beauty to the pond. And if you pay close enough attention
 to the bright pink flowers, you just might be rewarded with the sight of a Salt Marsh Skipper.

 

 

Steve Walter

Bayside, NY 

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Re: [nysbirds-l] Presumed Hybrid Shorebird at Jamaica Bay

[Pat Martin]

Knot so fast.-Original Message-
From: Larry Trachtenberg 
Sent: Aug 28, 2018 9:04 AM
To: Peter Reisfeld 
Cc: NYSBIRDS , "Grover, Bob" , Andrew Baksh , Steve Walter 
Subject: Re: [nysbirds-l] Presumed Hybrid Shorebird at Jamaica Bay






That seemed so stilted; will-let it die a quick death. 

Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 28, 2018, at 8:59 AM, Peter Reisfeld  wrote:



We should leave no turnstone unturned.




On Aug 27, 2018, at 6:53 PM, Paul R Sweet  wrote:

A
 mere peep would be inadequate. We should not stint in this analysis.


Paul Sweet | Department of Ornithology | American Museum of Natural History | Central Park West @ 79th St | NY 10024 | Tel 212 769 5780 | Mob 718 757 5941


On Aug 27, 2018, at 6:18 PM, Grover, Bob  wrote:



Take a peep? That’s precious.

Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 27, 2018, at 5:45 PM, Andrew Baksh  wrote:





Hi Steve,


Whenever, I see “hybrid” in any reports I am always tempted to immediately take a peep. Despite looking at the images from the field on my phone I have to respectfully disagree with the “presumed” hybrid call on the bird you referenced. 


This to me, is just a Semipalmated Sandpiper (SESA). I agree it is  a tad heavily marked below but nothing in the structure or bill is suggestive of a Western hybrid with a SESA.



I certainly claim no expertise; however, my time having Semipalmated Sandpipers in the hand and field observations, I have learned to appreciate variation in plumage and size. The plumage on this bird in my opinion is within the range of just
 a straight up Semipalmated Sandpiper.


When I have a chance, I will take a look on a bigger screen and perhaps provide more details.


Cheers,



"I prefer to be true to myself, even at the hazard of incurring the ridicule of
 others, rather than to be false, and to incur my own abhorrence." ~ Frederick Douglass




風　Swift as the wind

林　Quiet as the forest
火　Conquer like the fire
山　Steady as the mountain
Sun
 Tzu  The
 Art of War


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On Aug 27, 2018, at 3:09 PM, Steve Walter  wrote:






I’ve posted pictures of an interesting Calidris sandpiper that has been on the East Pond at Jamaica Bay. It was first photographed by Peter Post on Saturday and observed by Kevin Karlson (co-author of The
 Shorebird Guide). I was able to relocate and photograph the bird on Sunday, then discuss it with Kevin. He’s of the opinion that it’s a hybrid between Western and Semipalmated Sandpipers. In simplest
 terms, he described it as having the upperparts of a Semipalmated and the underparts of a Western. The bird is extensively marked underneath, not only along the flanks, but on the belly. Semipalmated would never be like that. And actually, neither species
 should be so extensively marked this late. The bill looks like that of a Semipalmated, while the head shows a squared look more typical of a Western. Pictures can be seen at my web site http://stevewalternature.com/  under
 Birds, Recent Work. 

 

For the record, other weekend birds at Jamaica Bay other than the much ballyhooed Hudsonian Godwit, include 1 Caspian Tern on the pond Saturday and 2 fly bys Sunday, at least one juvenile Western Sandpiper both days, many White-rumped Sandpipers, and Stilt
 Sandpiper now starting to appear in the juvenile form. A Common Raven was seen by many, soaring over the visitor center Saturday.

 

The water level is decidedly on the high side, but there’s enough room for birds and people. Getting to the raunt requires walking through water in places. Note that the safest passage is sometimes well away from the edge of the pond. There are two deeper puddles
 that reach the phragmites in the southeast corner. Do not walk along their edges. And also watch out for the Salt Marsh Fleabane, if you can. These plants are in full bloom now and adding a touch of beauty to the pond. And if you pay close enough attention
 to the bright pink flowers, you just might be rewarded with the sight of a Salt Marsh Skipper.

 

 

Steve Walter

Bayside, NY 

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Re: [nysbirds-l] Presumed Hybrid Shorebird at Jamaica Bay

[Larry Trachtenberg]

That seemed so stilted; will-let it die a quick death.

Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 28, 2018, at 8:59 AM, Peter Reisfeld 
mailto:drpi...@yahoo.com>> wrote:

We should leave no turnstone unturned.

On Aug 27, 2018, at 6:53 PM, Paul R Sweet 
mailto:sw...@amnh.org>> wrote:

A mere peep would be inadequate. We should not stint in this analysis.

Paul Sweet | Department of Ornithology | American Museum of Natural History | 
Central Park West @ 79th St | NY 10024 | Tel 212 769 5780 | Mob 718 757 5941

On Aug 27, 2018, at 6:18 PM, Grover, Bob 
mailto:rgro...@gpinet.com>> wrote:

Take a peep? That’s precious.

Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 27, 2018, at 5:45 PM, Andrew Baksh 
mailto:birdingd...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Hi Steve,

Whenever, I see “hybrid” in any reports I am always tempted to immediately take 
a peep. Despite looking at the images from the field on my phone I have to 
respectfully disagree with the “presumed” hybrid call on the bird you 
referenced.

This to me, is just a Semipalmated Sandpiper (SESA). I agree it is  a tad 
heavily marked below but nothing in the structure or bill is suggestive of a 
Western hybrid with a SESA.

I certainly claim no expertise; however, my time having Semipalmated Sandpipers 
in the hand and field observations, I have learned to appreciate variation in 
plumage and size. The plumage on this bird in my opinion is within the range of 
just a straight up Semipalmated Sandpiper.

When I have a chance, I will take a look on a bigger screen and perhaps provide 
more details.

Cheers,


"I prefer to be true to myself, even at the hazard of incurring the ridicule of 
others, rather than to be false, and to incur my own abhorrence." ~ Frederick 
Douglass

風　Swift as the wind
林　Quiet as the forest
火　Conquer like the fire
山　Steady as the mountain
Sun 
Tzu
  The Art of 
War

(\__/)
(= '.'=)
(") _ (")
Sent from somewhere in the field using my mobile device!

Andrew Baksh
www.birdingdude.blogspot.com

On Aug 27, 2018, at 3:09 PM, Steve Walter 
mailto:swalte...@verizon.net>> wrote:

I’ve posted pictures of an interesting Calidris sandpiper that has been on the 
East Pond at Jamaica Bay. It was first photographed by Peter Post on Saturday 
and observed by Kevin Karlson (co-author of The Shorebird Guide). I was able to 
relocate and photograph the bird on Sunday, then discuss it with Kevin. He’s of 
the opinion that it’s a hybrid between Western and Semipalmated Sandpipers. In 
simplest terms, he described it as having the upperparts of a Semipalmated and 
the underparts of a Western. The bird is extensively marked underneath, not 
only along the flanks, but on the belly. Semipalmated would never be like that. 
And actually, neither species should be so extensively marked this late. The 
bill looks like that of a Semipalmated, while the head shows a squared look 
more typical of a Western. Pictures can be seen at my web site 
http://stevewalternature.com/
  under Birds, Recent Work.

For the record, other weekend birds at Jamaica Bay other than the much 
ballyhooed Hudsonian Godwit, include 1 Caspian Tern on the pond Saturday and 2 
fly bys Sunday, at least one juvenile Western Sandpiper both days, many 
White-rumped Sandpipers, and Stilt Sandpiper now starting to appear in the 
juvenile form. A Common Raven was seen by many, soaring over the visitor center 
Saturday.

The water level is decidedly on the high side, but there’s enough room for 
birds and people. Getting to the raunt requires walking through water in 
places. Note that the safest passage is sometimes well away from the edge of 
the pond. There are two deeper puddles that reach the phragmites in the 
southeast corner. Do not walk along their edges. And also watch out for the 
Salt Marsh Fleabane, if you can. These plants are in full bloom now and adding 
a touch of beauty to the pond. And if you pay close enough attention to the 
bright pink flowers, you just might be rewarded with the sight of a Salt Marsh 
Skipper.


Steve Walter
Bayside, NY
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Re: [nysbirds-l] Presumed Hybrid Shorebird at Jamaica Bay

[Larry Trachtenberg]

That seemed so stilted; will-let it die a quick death.

Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 28, 2018, at 8:59 AM, Peter Reisfeld 
mailto:drpi...@yahoo.com>> wrote:

We should leave no turnstone unturned.

On Aug 27, 2018, at 6:53 PM, Paul R Sweet 
mailto:sw...@amnh.org>> wrote:

A mere peep would be inadequate. We should not stint in this analysis.

Paul Sweet | Department of Ornithology | American Museum of Natural History | 
Central Park West @ 79th St | NY 10024 | Tel 212 769 5780 | Mob 718 757 5941

On Aug 27, 2018, at 6:18 PM, Grover, Bob 
mailto:rgro...@gpinet.com>> wrote:

Take a peep? That’s precious.

Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 27, 2018, at 5:45 PM, Andrew Baksh 
mailto:birdingd...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Hi Steve,

Whenever, I see “hybrid” in any reports I am always tempted to immediately take 
a peep. Despite looking at the images from the field on my phone I have to 
respectfully disagree with the “presumed” hybrid call on the bird you 
referenced.

This to me, is just a Semipalmated Sandpiper (SESA). I agree it is  a tad 
heavily marked below but nothing in the structure or bill is suggestive of a 
Western hybrid with a SESA.

I certainly claim no expertise; however, my time having Semipalmated Sandpipers 
in the hand and field observations, I have learned to appreciate variation in 
plumage and size. The plumage on this bird in my opinion is within the range of 
just a straight up Semipalmated Sandpiper.

When I have a chance, I will take a look on a bigger screen and perhaps provide 
more details.

Cheers,


"I prefer to be true to myself, even at the hazard of incurring the ridicule of 
others, rather than to be false, and to incur my own abhorrence." ~ Frederick 
Douglass

風　Swift as the wind
林　Quiet as the forest
火　Conquer like the fire
山　Steady as the mountain
Sun 
Tzu
  The Art of 
War

(\__/)
(= '.'=)
(") _ (")
Sent from somewhere in the field using my mobile device!

Andrew Baksh
www.birdingdude.blogspot.com

On Aug 27, 2018, at 3:09 PM, Steve Walter 
mailto:swalte...@verizon.net>> wrote:

I’ve posted pictures of an interesting Calidris sandpiper that has been on the 
East Pond at Jamaica Bay. It was first photographed by Peter Post on Saturday 
and observed by Kevin Karlson (co-author of The Shorebird Guide). I was able to 
relocate and photograph the bird on Sunday, then discuss it with Kevin. He’s of 
the opinion that it’s a hybrid between Western and Semipalmated Sandpipers. In 
simplest terms, he described it as having the upperparts of a Semipalmated and 
the underparts of a Western. The bird is extensively marked underneath, not 
only along the flanks, but on the belly. Semipalmated would never be like that. 
And actually, neither species should be so extensively marked this late. The 
bill looks like that of a Semipalmated, while the head shows a squared look 
more typical of a Western. Pictures can be seen at my web site 
http://stevewalternature.com/
  under Birds, Recent Work.

For the record, other weekend birds at Jamaica Bay other than the much 
ballyhooed Hudsonian Godwit, include 1 Caspian Tern on the pond Saturday and 2 
fly bys Sunday, at least one juvenile Western Sandpiper both days, many 
White-rumped Sandpipers, and Stilt Sandpiper now starting to appear in the 
juvenile form. A Common Raven was seen by many, soaring over the visitor center 
Saturday.

The water level is decidedly on the high side, but there’s enough room for 
birds and people. Getting to the raunt requires walking through water in 
places. Note that the safest passage is sometimes well away from the edge of 
the pond. There are two deeper puddles that reach the phragmites in the 
southeast corner. Do not walk along their edges. And also watch out for the 
Salt Marsh Fleabane, if you can. These plants are in full bloom now and adding 
a touch of beauty to the pond. And if you pay close enough attention to the 
bright pink flowers, you just might be rewarded with the sight of a Salt Marsh 
Skipper.


Steve Walter
Bayside, NY
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[nysbirds-l] Setauket Stone Bridge Nighthawk Watch

[JOHN TURNER]

The 2018 season was kicked off last night with 68 nighthawks being seen 
in 141 minutes. Also, many chimney swifts and several dozen laughing 
gulls hawking for insects high over the ponds.


All are welcome.


John Turner  

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