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Sent from my Galaxy Original message From: Deborah Allen Date: 10/9/22 9:20 PM (GMT-05:00) To: Jennifer Wilson-Pines Cc: Andrew Block , NYSBIRDS-L Subject: Re: [nysbirds-l] Sulphur-bellied Flycatcher at Wave Hill? Hi Jennifer, I seem to have touched a nerve. On the contrary, rather than being elitist, NYSBIRDS-L is accessible to anyone. No one needs to join a group to read posts on the NY State list. It's only necessary to go to the ABA Web site to find birding listservs from all over the country. I'm glad that there is a Manhattan Rare Bird Groupme and a Birdfinders Whatsap. There's also a NY County bird alert on Twitter @BirdCentralPark. I do wonder what upstate birders who might want to travel to see the first NY State record of a species must think. Must they also find out about and join local groups to learn about such a bird? Will the bird have disappeared in the meantime. We should make information on bird such as the Sulphur-bellied Flycatcher as accessible as possible. Ebird is a great source too, but there's often quite a lag between someone's seeing a bird and entering a checklist. There's an easily accessible archive of messages for both Ebird and the NYSBIRDS-L, which will serve us all well once the bird in question has flown elsewhere. My opinion, Deb Allen -Original Message-From: Jennifer Wilson-Pines Sent: Oct 9, 2022 8:43 PMTo: Deborah Allen Cc: Andrew Block , NYSBIRDS-L Subject: Re: [nysbirds-l] Sulphur-bellied Flycatcher at Wave Hill? The Sulphur was posted to the Manhattan Rare Bird Groupme by 11am. I saw it reposted to the BIrdfinders Whatsap at 11:15. There are many bird lists and groups beyond this one. On Sun, Oct 9, 2022 at 7:29 PM Deborah Allen wrote: Andrew, You are absolutely right. I really don't know why people who saw the bird in the afternoon did not post to NYSBIRDS-L.Probably they are not subscribed to the list - that's my guess. The flycatcher was not in Wave Hill in the afternoon but a bit north of there, ranging from Sycamore and 252nd to 254th for the rest of the day. I didn't post because I didn't see it and only heard it late in the afternoon. Several other people heard it after 5pm also. Several birders saw it between 12:30 and 3pm, and Bob DeCandido saw it at around 3:20pm close to 254th Street. I should think there would be some checklists on ebird later, but there's nothing like timely reporting. Hope it sticks around and shows itself tomorrow, Deb Allen -Original Message-From: Andrew Block Sent: Oct 9, 2022 5:59 PMTo: NYS Birds Subject: [nysbirds-l] Sulphur-bellied Flycatcher at Wave Hill? Just got back from Wave Hill in the bronx and the woman at the gate who was closing up said it wasn't seen since this am. A shame it was never posted here. Only saw it posted to the FB group and that was hours later. Shame shame on these people who don't post here and don't post on the FB group until hours later. The report never came up on my FB until about 40 minutes ago. A shame what birding has become. Andrew Andrew v. F. BlockConsulting Naturalist20 Hancock Avenue, Apt. 3 Yonkers, Westchester Co., New York 10705-4780 www.flickr.com/photos/conuropsis/albums -- NYSbirds-L List Info: Welcome and Basics Rules and Information Subscribe, Configuration and Leave Archives: The Mail Archive Surfbirds ABA Please submit your observations to eBird! -- -- NYSbirds-L List Info: Welcome and Basics Rules and Information Subscribe, Configuration and Leave Archives: The Mail Archive Surfbirds ABA Please submit your observations to eBird! -- -- Jennifer Wilson-Pines -- NYSbirds-L List Info: Welcome and Basics Rules and Information Subscribe, Configuration and Leave Archives: The Mail Archive Surfbirds ABA Please submit your observations to eBird! -- -- NYSbirds-L List Info: Welcome and Basics Rules and Information Subscribe, Configuration and Leave Archives: The Mail Archive Surfbirds ABA Please submit your observations to eBird! -- -- NYSbirds-L List Info: http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsWELCOME.htm http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsRULES.htm http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsSubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm ARCHIVES: 1) http://www.mail-archive.com/nysbirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html 2) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/NYSBirds-L 3) http://birding.aba.org/maillist/NY01 Please submit your observations to eBird: http://ebird.org/content/ebird/ --
Re: [nysbirds-l] Sulphur-bellied Flycatcher at Wave Hill?
Some of us choose not to do Facebook or Twitter for innumerable reasons. NYSBIRDS is a State list accessible to any and all (even beyond its borders). It is free to join for free merely with an email address and as far as I know doesn’t track your “likes”. It has no political bent and you need not know someone to join or perhaps do not want to join a closed eg WhatsApp group. How hard is the 20 seconds it may take to cross-post such an extremely rare bird (eg recently anhinga, neotropic cormorant (but not the upstate one I learned from weekly NYSBIRDS rare alert), loggerhead shrike, etc.) to this statewide list (and beyond), even if already posted to your venue of choice? As to Sulphur bellied fly, “I’ve been empty since Arizona”. (A nod to AE.) L. Trachtenberg Ossining Sent from my iPhone > On Oct 9, 2022, at 9:35 PM, Jennifer Wilson-Pines wrote: > > > not to forget twitter threads, > >> On Sun, Oct 9, 2022 at 9:32 PM Jennifer Wilson-Pines >> wrote: >> This list is not accessible unless you are a member, and unless you know it >> exists, not easy to find. Perhaps a push to the dozens of facebook, discord, >> whatsapp and groupme lists with instructions on how to join might make it >> more useful. I have seen that most visiting birders use Facebook, since it's >> easily searchable for local birding groups and doesn't require special >> knowledge to find or join. It doesn't give them rare birds but it does ge >> them in touch with local birders. >> And I also note that "largely useless" Long Island Whatsapp group had the >> bird reposted within minutes. >> >> Jennifer Wilson Pines >> >>> On Sun, Oct 9, 2022 at 9:19 PM Deborah Allen wrote: >>> Hi Jennifer, >>> >>> I seem to have touched a nerve. >>> >>> On the contrary, rather than being elitist, NYSBIRDS-L is accessible to >>> anyone. No one needs to join a group to read posts on the NY State list. >>> It's only necessary to go to the ABA Web site to find birding listservs >>> from all over the country. >>> >>> I'm glad that there is a Manhattan Rare Bird Groupme and a Birdfinders >>> Whatsap. There's also a NY County bird alert on Twitter @BirdCentralPark. >>> >>> I do wonder what upstate birders who might want to travel to see the first >>> NY State record of a species must think. Must they also find out about and >>> join local groups to learn about such a bird? Will the bird have >>> disappeared in the meantime. >>> >>> We should make information on bird such as the Sulphur-bellied Flycatcher >>> as accessible as possible. Ebird is a great source too, but there's often >>> quite a lag between someone's seeing a bird and entering a checklist. >>> There's an easily accessible archive of messages for both Ebird and the >>> NYSBIRDS-L, which will serve us all well once the bird in question has >>> flown elsewhere. >>> >>> My opinion, >>> >>> Deb Allen >>> >>> >>> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: Jennifer Wilson-Pines >>> Sent: Oct 9, 2022 8:43 PM >>> To: Deborah Allen >>> Cc: Andrew Block , NYSBIRDS-L >>> >>> Subject: Re: [nysbirds-l] Sulphur-bellied Flycatcher at Wave Hill? >>> >>> >>> The Sulphur was posted to the Manhattan Rare Bird Groupme by 11am. I saw it >>> reposted to the BIrdfinders Whatsap at 11:15. There are many bird lists and >>> groups beyond this one. >>> >>>> On Sun, Oct 9, 2022 at 7:29 PM Deborah Allen >>>> wrote: >>>> Andrew, >>>> >>>> You are absolutely right. I really don't know why people who saw the bird >>>> in the afternoon did not post to NYSBIRDS-L.Probably they are not >>>> subscribed to the list - that's my guess. >>>> >>>> The flycatcher was not in Wave Hill in the afternoon but a bit north of >>>> there, ranging from Sycamore and 252nd to 254th for the rest of the day. I >>>> didn't post because I didn't see it and only heard it late in the >>>> afternoon. Several other people heard it after 5pm also. Several birders >>>> saw it between 12:30 and 3pm, and Bob DeCandido saw it at around 3:20pm >>>> close to 254th Street. I should think there would be some checklists on >>>> ebird later, but there's nothing like timely reporting. >>>> >>>> Hope it sticks ar
Re: [nysbirds-l] Sulphur-bellied Flycatcher at Wave Hill?
A “member” of what exactly? Please excuse my brevity. Sent from my iPhone > On Oct 9, 2022, at 9:33 PM, Jennifer Wilson-Pines wrote: > > > This list is not accessible unless you are a member, and unless you know it > exists, not easy to find. Perhaps a push to the dozens of facebook, discord, > whatsapp and groupme lists with instructions on how to join might make it > more useful. I have seen that most visiting birders use Facebook, since it's > easily searchable for local birding groups and doesn't require special > knowledge to find or join. It doesn't give them rare birds but it does ge > them in touch with local birders. > And I also note that "largely useless" Long Island Whatsapp group had the > bird reposted within minutes. > > Jennifer Wilson Pines > >> On Sun, Oct 9, 2022 at 9:19 PM Deborah Allen wrote: >> Hi Jennifer, >> >> I seem to have touched a nerve. >> >> On the contrary, rather than being elitist, NYSBIRDS-L is accessible to >> anyone. No one needs to join a group to read posts on the NY State list. >> It's only necessary to go to the ABA Web site to find birding listservs from >> all over the country. >> >> I'm glad that there is a Manhattan Rare Bird Groupme and a Birdfinders >> Whatsap. There's also a NY County bird alert on Twitter @BirdCentralPark. >> >> I do wonder what upstate birders who might want to travel to see the first >> NY State record of a species must think. Must they also find out about and >> join local groups to learn about such a bird? Will the bird have disappeared >> in the meantime. >> >> We should make information on bird such as the Sulphur-bellied Flycatcher as >> accessible as possible. Ebird is a great source too, but there's often quite >> a lag between someone's seeing a bird and entering a checklist. There's an >> easily accessible archive of messages for both Ebird and the NYSBIRDS-L, >> which will serve us all well once the bird in question has flown elsewhere. >> >> My opinion, >> >> Deb Allen >> >> >> >> -Original Message- >> From: Jennifer Wilson-Pines >> Sent: Oct 9, 2022 8:43 PM >> To: Deborah Allen >> Cc: Andrew Block , NYSBIRDS-L >> Subject: Re: [nysbirds-l] Sulphur-bellied Flycatcher at Wave Hill? >> >> >> The Sulphur was posted to the Manhattan Rare Bird Groupme by 11am. I saw it >> reposted to the BIrdfinders Whatsap at 11:15. There are many bird lists and >> groups beyond this one. >> >>> On Sun, Oct 9, 2022 at 7:29 PM Deborah Allen wrote: >>> Andrew, >>> >>> You are absolutely right. I really don't know why people who saw the bird >>> in the afternoon did not post to NYSBIRDS-L.Probably they are not >>> subscribed to the list - that's my guess. >>> >>> The flycatcher was not in Wave Hill in the afternoon but a bit north of >>> there, ranging from Sycamore and 252nd to 254th for the rest of the day. I >>> didn't post because I didn't see it and only heard it late in the >>> afternoon. Several other people heard it after 5pm also. Several birders >>> saw it between 12:30 and 3pm, and Bob DeCandido saw it at around 3:20pm >>> close to 254th Street. I should think there would be some checklists on >>> ebird later, but there's nothing like timely reporting. >>> >>> Hope it sticks around and shows itself tomorrow, >>> >>> Deb Allen >>> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: Andrew Block >>> Sent: Oct 9, 2022 5:59 PM >>> To: NYS Birds >>> Subject: [nysbirds-l] Sulphur-bellied Flycatcher at Wave Hill? >>> >>> >>> Just got back from Wave Hill in the bronx and the woman at the gate who was >>> closing up said it wasn't seen since this am. A shame it was never posted >>> here. Only saw it posted to the FB group and that was hours later. Shame >>> shame on these people who don't post here and don't post on the FB group >>> until hours later. The report never came up on my FB until about 40 >>> minutes ago. A shame what birding has become. >>> >>> Andrew >>> >>> Andrew v. F. Block >>> Consulting Naturalist >>> 20 Hancock Avenue, Apt. 3 >>> Yonkers, Westchester Co., New York 10705-4780 >>> www.flickr.com/photos/conuropsis/albums >>> -- >>> NYSbirds-L List Info: >>> Welcome and
Re: [nysbirds-l] Sulphur-bellied Flycatcher at Wave Hill?
not to forget twitter threads, On Sun, Oct 9, 2022 at 9:32 PM Jennifer Wilson-Pines wrote: > This list is not accessible unless you are a member, and unless you know > it exists, not easy to find. Perhaps a push to the dozens of facebook, > discord, whatsapp and groupme lists with instructions on how to join might > make it more useful. I have seen that most visiting birders use Facebook, > since it's easily searchable for local birding groups and doesn't > require special knowledge to find or join. It doesn't give them rare birds > but it does ge them in touch with local birders. > And I also note that "largely useless" Long Island Whatsapp group had the > bird reposted within minutes. > > Jennifer Wilson Pines > > On Sun, Oct 9, 2022 at 9:19 PM Deborah Allen > wrote: > >> Hi Jennifer, >> >> >> >> I seem to have touched a nerve. >> >> >> >> On the contrary, rather than being elitist, NYSBIRDS-L is accessible to >> anyone. No one needs to join a group to read posts on the NY State list. >> It's only necessary to go to the ABA Web site to find birding listservs >> from all over the country. >> >> >> >> I'm glad that there is a Manhattan Rare Bird Groupme and a Birdfinders >> Whatsap. There's also a NY County bird alert on Twitter @BirdCentralPark. >> >> >> >> I do wonder what upstate birders who might want to travel to see the >> first NY State record of a species must think. Must they also find out >> about and join local groups to learn about such a bird? Will the bird have >> disappeared in the meantime. >> >> >> >> We should make information on bird such as the Sulphur-bellied Flycatcher >> as accessible as possible. Ebird is a great source too, but there's often >> quite a lag between someone's seeing a bird and entering a checklist. >> There's an easily accessible archive of messages for both Ebird and the >> NYSBIRDS-L, which will serve us all well once the bird in question has >> flown elsewhere. >> >> >> >> My opinion, >> >> >> >> Deb Allen >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -Original Message- >> From: Jennifer Wilson-Pines >> Sent: Oct 9, 2022 8:43 PM >> To: Deborah Allen >> Cc: Andrew Block , NYSBIRDS-L < >> NYSBIRDS-L@cornell.edu> >> Subject: Re: [nysbirds-l] Sulphur-bellied Flycatcher at Wave Hill? >> >> >> The Sulphur was posted to the Manhattan Rare Bird Groupme by 11am. I saw >> it reposted to the BIrdfinders Whatsap at 11:15. There are many bird lists >> and groups beyond this one. >> >> On Sun, Oct 9, 2022 at 7:29 PM Deborah Allen >> wrote: >> >>> Andrew, >>> >>> >>> >>> You are absolutely right. I really don't know why people who saw the >>> bird in the afternoon did not post to NYSBIRDS-L.Probably they are not >>> subscribed to the list - that's my guess. >>> >>> >>> >>> The flycatcher was not in Wave Hill in the afternoon but a bit north of >>> there, ranging from Sycamore and 252nd to 254th for the rest of the day. I >>> didn't post because I didn't see it and only heard it late in the >>> afternoon. Several other people heard it after 5pm also. Several birders >>> saw it between 12:30 and 3pm, and Bob DeCandido saw it at around 3:20pm >>> close to 254th Street. I should think there would be some checklists on >>> ebird later, but there's nothing like timely reporting. >>> >>> >>> >>> Hope it sticks around and shows itself tomorrow, >>> >>> >>> >>> Deb Allen >>> >>> >>> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: Andrew Block >>> Sent: Oct 9, 2022 5:59 PM >>> To: NYS Birds >>> Subject: [nysbirds-l] Sulphur-bellied Flycatcher at Wave Hill? >>> >>> >>> Just got back from Wave Hill in the bronx and the woman at the gate who >>> was closing up said it wasn't seen since this am. A shame it was never >>> posted here. Only saw it posted to the FB group and that was hours later. >>> Shame shame on these people who don't post here and don't post on the FB >>> group until hours later. The report never came up on my FB until about 40 >>> minutes ago. A shame what birding has become. >>> >>> Andrew >>> >>> *Andrew v. F. Block* >>> *Consulting Natural
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This list is not accessible unless you are a member, and unless you know it exists, not easy to find. Perhaps a push to the dozens of facebook, discord, whatsapp and groupme lists with instructions on how to join might make it more useful. I have seen that most visiting birders use Facebook, since it's easily searchable for local birding groups and doesn't require special knowledge to find or join. It doesn't give them rare birds but it does ge them in touch with local birders. And I also note that "largely useless" Long Island Whatsapp group had the bird reposted within minutes. Jennifer Wilson Pines On Sun, Oct 9, 2022 at 9:19 PM Deborah Allen wrote: > Hi Jennifer, > > > > I seem to have touched a nerve. > > > > On the contrary, rather than being elitist, NYSBIRDS-L is accessible to > anyone. No one needs to join a group to read posts on the NY State list. > It's only necessary to go to the ABA Web site to find birding listservs > from all over the country. > > > > I'm glad that there is a Manhattan Rare Bird Groupme and a Birdfinders > Whatsap. There's also a NY County bird alert on Twitter @BirdCentralPark. > > > > I do wonder what upstate birders who might want to travel to see the first > NY State record of a species must think. Must they also find out about and > join local groups to learn about such a bird? Will the bird have > disappeared in the meantime. > > > > We should make information on bird such as the Sulphur-bellied Flycatcher > as accessible as possible. Ebird is a great source too, but there's often > quite a lag between someone's seeing a bird and entering a checklist. > There's an easily accessible archive of messages for both Ebird and the > NYSBIRDS-L, which will serve us all well once the bird in question has > flown elsewhere. > > > > My opinion, > > > > Deb Allen > > > > > > > > -Original Message----- > From: Jennifer Wilson-Pines > Sent: Oct 9, 2022 8:43 PM > To: Deborah Allen > Cc: Andrew Block , NYSBIRDS-L < > NYSBIRDS-L@cornell.edu> > Subject: Re: [nysbirds-l] Sulphur-bellied Flycatcher at Wave Hill? > > > The Sulphur was posted to the Manhattan Rare Bird Groupme by 11am. I saw > it reposted to the BIrdfinders Whatsap at 11:15. There are many bird lists > and groups beyond this one. > > On Sun, Oct 9, 2022 at 7:29 PM Deborah Allen > wrote: > >> Andrew, >> >> >> >> You are absolutely right. I really don't know why people who saw the bird >> in the afternoon did not post to NYSBIRDS-L.Probably they are not >> subscribed to the list - that's my guess. >> >> >> >> The flycatcher was not in Wave Hill in the afternoon but a bit north of >> there, ranging from Sycamore and 252nd to 254th for the rest of the day. I >> didn't post because I didn't see it and only heard it late in the >> afternoon. Several other people heard it after 5pm also. Several birders >> saw it between 12:30 and 3pm, and Bob DeCandido saw it at around 3:20pm >> close to 254th Street. I should think there would be some checklists on >> ebird later, but there's nothing like timely reporting. >> >> >> >> Hope it sticks around and shows itself tomorrow, >> >> >> >> Deb Allen >> >> >> >> -Original Message- >> From: Andrew Block >> Sent: Oct 9, 2022 5:59 PM >> To: NYS Birds >> Subject: [nysbirds-l] Sulphur-bellied Flycatcher at Wave Hill? >> >> >> Just got back from Wave Hill in the bronx and the woman at the gate who >> was closing up said it wasn't seen since this am. A shame it was never >> posted here. Only saw it posted to the FB group and that was hours later. >> Shame shame on these people who don't post here and don't post on the FB >> group until hours later. The report never came up on my FB until about 40 >> minutes ago. A shame what birding has become. >> >> Andrew >> >> *Andrew v. F. Block* >> *Consulting Naturalist* >> 20 Hancock Avenue, Apt. 3 >> Yonkers, Westchester Co., New York 10705-4780 >> www.flickr.com/photos/conuropsis/albums >> -- >> *NYSbirds-L List Info:* >> Welcome and Basics <http://www.northeastbirding.com/NYSbirdsWELCOME.htm> >> Rules and Information <http://www.northeastbirding.com/NYSbirdsRULES.htm> >> Subscribe, Configuration and Leave >> <http://www.northeastbirding.com/NYSbirdsSubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm> >> *Archives:* >> The Mail Archive >> <http://www.mail-archive.com/nysbirds-l@corn
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Cross posting is always encouraged and we do have a handful of folks who always make the effort to cross post. Unfortunately, we have more takers than givers and the spin offs of a variety of groups makes it even harder. A reminder like the one from Mr. Block is alway good to let folks know that the list serve is not yet dead. Let’s keep on sharing y’all. Bless up! “Emancipate yourself from mental slavery, none but ourselves could free our mind.” ~ Bob Marley “Tenderness and Kindness are not signs of weakness and despair but manifestations of strength and resolution” ~ Khalil Gibran "I prefer to be true to myself, even at the hazard of incurring the ridicule of others, rather than to be false, and to incur my own abhorrence." ~ Frederick Douglass 風 Swift as the wind 林 Quiet as the forest 火 Conquer like the fire 山 Steady as the mountain Sun Tzu The Art of War > (\__/) > (= '.'=) > (") _ (") > Sent from somewhere in the field using my mobile device! Andrew Baksh www.birdingdude.blogspot.com > On Oct 9, 2022, at 9:20 PM, Deborah Allen wrote: > > > Hi Jennifer, > > I seem to have touched a nerve. > > On the contrary, rather than being elitist, NYSBIRDS-L is accessible to > anyone. No one needs to join a group to read posts on the NY State list. It's > only necessary to go to the ABA Web site to find birding listservs from all > over the country. > > I'm glad that there is a Manhattan Rare Bird Groupme and a Birdfinders > Whatsap. There's also a NY County bird alert on Twitter @BirdCentralPark. > > I do wonder what upstate birders who might want to travel to see the first NY > State record of a species must think. Must they also find out about and join > local groups to learn about such a bird? Will the bird have disappeared in > the meantime. > > We should make information on bird such as the Sulphur-bellied Flycatcher as > accessible as possible. Ebird is a great source too, but there's often quite > a lag between someone's seeing a bird and entering a checklist. There's an > easily accessible archive of messages for both Ebird and the NYSBIRDS-L, > which will serve us all well once the bird in question has flown elsewhere. > > My opinion, > > Deb Allen > > > > -Original Message----- > From: Jennifer Wilson-Pines > Sent: Oct 9, 2022 8:43 PM > To: Deborah Allen > Cc: Andrew Block , NYSBIRDS-L > Subject: Re: [nysbirds-l] Sulphur-bellied Flycatcher at Wave Hill? > > > The Sulphur was posted to the Manhattan Rare Bird Groupme by 11am. I saw it > reposted to the BIrdfinders Whatsap at 11:15. There are many bird lists and > groups beyond this one. > > On Sun, Oct 9, 2022 at 7:29 PM Deborah Allen wrote: >> Andrew, >> >> You are absolutely right. I really don't know why people who saw the bird in >> the afternoon did not post to NYSBIRDS-L.Probably they are not subscribed to >> the list - that's my guess. >> >> The flycatcher was not in Wave Hill in the afternoon but a bit north of >> there, ranging from Sycamore and 252nd to 254th for the rest of the day. I >> didn't post because I didn't see it and only heard it late in the afternoon. >> Several other people heard it after 5pm also. Several birders saw it between >> 12:30 and 3pm, and Bob DeCandido saw it at around 3:20pm close to 254th >> Street. I should think there would be some checklists on ebird later, but >> there's nothing like timely reporting. >> >> Hope it sticks around and shows itself tomorrow, >> >> Deb Allen >> >> -Original Message- >> From: Andrew Block >> Sent: Oct 9, 2022 5:59 PM >> To: NYS Birds >> Subject: [nysbirds-l] Sulphur-bellied Flycatcher at Wave Hill? >> >> >> Just got back from Wave Hill in the bronx and the woman at the gate who was >> closing up said it wasn't seen since this am. A shame it was never posted >> here. Only saw it posted to the FB group and that was hours later. Shame >> shame on these people who don't post here and don't post on the FB group >> until hours later. The report never came up on my FB until about 40 minutes >> ago. A shame what birding has become. >> >> Andrew >> >> Andrew v. F. Block >> Consulting Naturalist >> 20 Hancock Avenue, Apt. 3 >> Yonkers, Westchester Co., New York 10705-4780 >> www.flickr.com/photos/conuropsis/albums >> -- >> NYSbirds-L List Info: >> Welcome and Basics >> Rules and Information
Re: [nysbirds-l] Sulphur-bellied Flycatcher at Wave Hill?
Hi Jennifer, I seem to have touched a nerve. On the contrary, rather than being elitist, NYSBIRDS-L is accessible to anyone. No one needs to join a group to read posts on the NY State list. It's only necessary to go to the ABA Web site to find birding listservs from all over the country. I'm glad that there is a Manhattan Rare Bird Groupme and a Birdfinders Whatsap. There's also a NY County bird alert on Twitter @BirdCentralPark. I do wonder what upstate birders who might want to travel to see the first NY State record of a species must think. Must they also find out about and join local groups to learn about such a bird? Will the bird have disappeared in the meantime. We should make information on bird such as the Sulphur-bellied Flycatcher as accessible as possible. Ebird is a great source too, but there's often quite a lag between someone's seeing a bird and entering a checklist. There's an easily accessible archive of messages for both Ebird and the NYSBIRDS-L, which will serve us all well once the bird in question has flown elsewhere. My opinion, Deb Allen -Original Message- From: Jennifer Wilson-Pines Sent: Oct 9, 2022 8:43 PM To: Deborah Allen Cc: Andrew Block , NYSBIRDS-L Subject: Re: [nysbirds-l] Sulphur-bellied Flycatcher at Wave Hill? The Sulphur was posted to the Manhattan Rare Bird Groupme by 11am. I saw it reposted to the BIrdfinders Whatsap at 11:15. There are many bird lists and groups beyond this one. On Sun, Oct 9, 2022 at 7:29 PM Deborah Allen mailto:dalle...@earthlink.net)> wrote: Andrew, You are absolutely right. I really don't know why people who saw the bird in the afternoon did not post to NYSBIRDS-L.Probably they are not subscribed to the list - that's my guess. The flycatcher was not in Wave Hill in the afternoon but a bit north of there, ranging from Sycamore and 252nd to 254th for the rest of the day. I didn't post because I didn't see it and only heard it late in the afternoon. Several other people heard it after 5pm also. Several birders saw it between 12:30 and 3pm, and Bob DeCandido saw it at around 3:20pm close to 254th Street. I should think there would be some checklists on ebird later, but there's nothing like timely reporting. Hope it sticks around and shows itself tomorrow, Deb Allen -Original Message- From: Andrew Block mailto:ablock22...@yahoo.com)> Sent: Oct 9, 2022 5:59 PM To: NYS Birds mailto:nysbirds-l@cornell.edu)> Subject: [nysbirds-l] Sulphur-bellied Flycatcher at Wave Hill? Just got back from Wave Hill in the bronx and the woman at the gate who was closing up said it wasn't seen since this am. A shame it was never posted here. Only saw it posted to the FB group and that was hours later. Shame shame on these people who don't post here and don't post on the FB group until hours later. The report never came up on my FB until about 40 minutes ago. A shame what birding has become. Andrew Andrew v. F. Block Consulting Naturalist 20 Hancock Avenue, Apt. 3 Yonkers, Westchester Co., New York 10705-4780 www.flickr.com/photos/conuropsis/albums (http://www.flickr.com/photos/conuropsis/albums) -- NYSbirds-L List Info: Welcome and Basics (http://www.northeastbirding.com/NYSbirdsWELCOME.htm) Rules and Information (http://www.northeastbirding.com/NYSbirdsRULES.htm) Subscribe, Configuration and Leave (http://www.northeastbirding.com/NYSbirdsSubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm) Archives: The Mail Archive (http://www.mail-archive.com/nysbirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html) Surfbirds (http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/NYSBirds-L) ABA (http://birding.aba.org/maillist/NY01) Please submit your observations to eBird (http://ebird.org/content/ebird/)! -- -- NYSbirds-L List Info: Welcome and Basics (http://www.northeastbirding.com/NYSbirdsWELCOME.htm) Rules and Information (http://www.northeastbirding.com/NYSbirdsRULES.htm) Subscribe, Configuration and Leave (http://www.northeastbirding.com/NYSbirdsSubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm) Archives: The Mail Archive (http://www.mail-archive.com/nysbirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html) Surfbirds (http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/NYSBirds-L) ABA (http://birding.aba.org/maillist/NY01) Please submit your observations to eBird (http://ebird.org/content/ebird/)! -- -- Jennifer Wilson-Pines -- NYSbirds-L List Info: Welcome and Basics (http://www.northeastbirding.com/NYSbirdsWELCOME.htm) Rules and Information (http://www.northeastbirding.com/NYSbirdsRULES.htm) Subscribe, Configuration and Leave (http://www.northeastbirding.com/NYSbirdsSubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm) Archives: The Mail Archive (http://www.mail-archive.com/nysbirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html) Surfbirds (http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/NYSBirds-L) ABA (http://birding.aba.org/maillist/NY01) Please submit your observations to eBird (http://ebird.org/content/ebird/)! -- --
Re: [nysbirds-l] Sulphur-bellied Flycatcher at Wave Hill?
Unfortunately, Jennifer, you reference an exclusively NYC-based Groupme and a largely useless Long Island-based WhatsApp Group. This is a state-wide list and, as you might imagine, this is a bird which people beyond the confines of the NYC-metro area might want to see! Would you suggest it sufficient if this bird were in Buffalo and the information only circulated among Western-NY lists, through applications many birders may not even utilize!? I would think the greater issue is NYC birders forgetting that the state is not 5-counties wide. I, like many people, received information about this bird by Mr. Block’s post. As this bird is of obvious interest to people beyond even the limits of this state, I think using the broadest listserve possibly should not be discouraged; but rather highly encouraged! I dare not shame but if this list is not good enough for a sulphur-bellied flycatcher than what on Earth is it for? PWM On Sun, Oct 9, 2022 at 19:29 Deborah Allen wrote: > Andrew, > > > > You are absolutely right. I really don't know why people who saw the bird > in the afternoon did not post to NYSBIRDS-L.Probably they are not > subscribed to the list - that's my guess. > > > > The flycatcher was not in Wave Hill in the afternoon but a bit north of > there, ranging from Sycamore and 252nd to 254th for the rest of the day. I > didn't post because I didn't see it and only heard it late in the > afternoon. Several other people heard it after 5pm also. Several birders > saw it between 12:30 and 3pm, and Bob DeCandido saw it at around 3:20pm > close to 254th Street. I should think there would be some checklists on > ebird later, but there's nothing like timely reporting. > > > > Hope it sticks around and shows itself tomorrow, > > > > Deb Allen > > > > -----Original Message- > From: Andrew Block > Sent: Oct 9, 2022 5:59 PM > To: NYS Birds > Subject: [nysbirds-l] Sulphur-bellied Flycatcher at Wave Hill? > > > Just got back from Wave Hill in the bronx and the woman at the gate who > was closing up said it wasn't seen since this am. A shame it was never > posted here. Only saw it posted to the FB group and that was hours later. > Shame shame on these people who don't post here and don't post on the FB > group until hours later. The report never came up on my FB until about 40 > minutes ago. A shame what birding has become. > > Andrew > > *Andrew v. F. Block* > *Consulting Naturalist* > 20 Hancock Avenue, Apt. 3 > <https://www.google.com/maps/search/20+Hancock+Avenue,+Apt.+3+%0D%0A+Yonkers,+Westchester+Co.,+New+York+10705-4780?entry=gmail&source=g> > > <https://www.google.com/maps/search/20+Hancock+Avenue,+Apt.+3+%0D%0A+Yonkers,+Westchester+Co.,+New+York+10705-4780?entry=gmail&source=g> > Yonkers, Westchester Co., New York 10705-4780 > <https://www.google.com/maps/search/20+Hancock+Avenue,+Apt.+3+%0D%0A+Yonkers,+Westchester+Co.,+New+York+10705-4780?entry=gmail&source=g> > > www.flickr.com/photos/conuropsis/albums > -- > *NYSbirds-L List Info:* > Welcome and Basics <http://www.northeastbirding.com/NYSbirdsWELCOME.htm> > Rules and Information <http://www.northeastbirding.com/NYSbirdsRULES.htm> > Subscribe, Configuration and Leave > <http://www.northeastbirding.com/NYSbirdsSubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm> > *Archives:* > The Mail Archive > <http://www.mail-archive.com/nysbirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html> > Surfbirds <http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/NYSBirds-L> > ABA <http://birding.aba.org/maillist/NY01> > *Please submit your observations to **eBird* > <http://ebird.org/content/ebird/>*!* > -- > > > -- > *NYSbirds-L List Info:* > Welcome and Basics <http://www.northeastbirding.com/NYSbirdsWELCOME.htm> > Rules and Information <http://www.northeastbirding.com/NYSbirdsRULES.htm> > Subscribe, Configuration and Leave > <http://www.northeastbirding.com/NYSbirdsSubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm> > *Archives:* > The Mail Archive > <http://www.mail-archive.com/nysbirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html> > Surfbirds <http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/NYSBirds-L> > ABA <http://birding.aba.org/maillist/NY01> > *Please submit your observations to **eBird* > <http://ebird.org/content/ebird/>*!* > -- > -- Með Kveðju, Phillip W Magnussen -- NYSbirds-L List Info: http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsWELCOME.htm http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsRULES.htm http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsSubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm ARCHIVES: 1) http://www.mail-archive.com/nysbirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html 2) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/NYSBirds-L 3) http://birding.aba.org/maillist/NY01 Please submit your observations to eBird: http://ebird.org/content/ebird/ --
Re: [nysbirds-l] Sulphur-bellied Flycatcher at Wave Hill?
The Sulphur was posted to the Manhattan Rare Bird Groupme by 11am. I saw it reposted to the BIrdfinders Whatsap at 11:15. There are many bird lists and groups beyond this one. On Sun, Oct 9, 2022 at 7:29 PM Deborah Allen wrote: > Andrew, > > > > You are absolutely right. I really don't know why people who saw the bird > in the afternoon did not post to NYSBIRDS-L.Probably they are not > subscribed to the list - that's my guess. > > > > The flycatcher was not in Wave Hill in the afternoon but a bit north of > there, ranging from Sycamore and 252nd to 254th for the rest of the day. I > didn't post because I didn't see it and only heard it late in the > afternoon. Several other people heard it after 5pm also. Several birders > saw it between 12:30 and 3pm, and Bob DeCandido saw it at around 3:20pm > close to 254th Street. I should think there would be some checklists on > ebird later, but there's nothing like timely reporting. > > > > Hope it sticks around and shows itself tomorrow, > > > > Deb Allen > > > > -----Original Message- > From: Andrew Block > Sent: Oct 9, 2022 5:59 PM > To: NYS Birds > Subject: [nysbirds-l] Sulphur-bellied Flycatcher at Wave Hill? > > > Just got back from Wave Hill in the bronx and the woman at the gate who > was closing up said it wasn't seen since this am. A shame it was never > posted here. Only saw it posted to the FB group and that was hours later. > Shame shame on these people who don't post here and don't post on the FB > group until hours later. The report never came up on my FB until about 40 > minutes ago. A shame what birding has become. > > Andrew > > *Andrew v. F. Block* > *Consulting Naturalist* > 20 Hancock Avenue, Apt. 3 > Yonkers, Westchester Co., New York 10705-4780 > www.flickr.com/photos/conuropsis/albums > -- > *NYSbirds-L List Info:* > Welcome and Basics <http://www.northeastbirding.com/NYSbirdsWELCOME.htm> > Rules and Information <http://www.northeastbirding.com/NYSbirdsRULES.htm> > Subscribe, Configuration and Leave > <http://www.northeastbirding.com/NYSbirdsSubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm> > *Archives:* > The Mail Archive > <http://www.mail-archive.com/nysbirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html> > Surfbirds <http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/NYSBirds-L> > ABA <http://birding.aba.org/maillist/NY01> > *Please submit your observations to **eBird* > <http://ebird.org/content/ebird/>*!* > -- > > > -- > *NYSbirds-L List Info:* > Welcome and Basics <http://www.northeastbirding.com/NYSbirdsWELCOME.htm> > Rules and Information <http://www.northeastbirding.com/NYSbirdsRULES.htm> > Subscribe, Configuration and Leave > <http://www.northeastbirding.com/NYSbirdsSubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm> > *Archives:* > The Mail Archive > <http://www.mail-archive.com/nysbirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html> > Surfbirds <http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/NYSBirds-L> > ABA <http://birding.aba.org/maillist/NY01> > *Please submit your observations to **eBird* > <http://ebird.org/content/ebird/>*!* > -- > -- Jennifer Wilson-Pines -- NYSbirds-L List Info: http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsWELCOME.htm http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsRULES.htm http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsSubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm ARCHIVES: 1) http://www.mail-archive.com/nysbirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html 2) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/NYSBirds-L 3) http://birding.aba.org/maillist/NY01 Please submit your observations to eBird: http://ebird.org/content/ebird/ --
Re: [nysbirds-l] Sulphur-bellied Flycatcher at Wave Hill?
Andrew, You are absolutely right. I really don't know why people who saw the bird in the afternoon did not post to NYSBIRDS-L.Probably they are not subscribed to the list - that's my guess. The flycatcher was not in Wave Hill in the afternoon but a bit north of there, ranging from Sycamore and 252nd to 254th for the rest of the day. I didn't post because I didn't see it and only heard it late in the afternoon. Several other people heard it after 5pm also. Several birders saw it between 12:30 and 3pm, and Bob DeCandido saw it at around 3:20pm close to 254th Street. I should think there would be some checklists on ebird later, but there's nothing like timely reporting. Hope it sticks around and shows itself tomorrow, Deb Allen -Original Message- From: Andrew Block Sent: Oct 9, 2022 5:59 PM To: NYS Birds Subject: [nysbirds-l] Sulphur-bellied Flycatcher at Wave Hill? Just got back from Wave Hill in the bronx and the woman at the gate who was closing up said it wasn't seen since this am. A shame it was never posted here. Only saw it posted to the FB group and that was hours later. Shame shame on these people who don't post here and don't post on the FB group until hours later. The report never came up on my FB until about 40 minutes ago. A shame what birding has become. Andrew Andrew v. F. Block Consulting Naturalist 20 Hancock Avenue, Apt. 3 Yonkers, Westchester Co., New York 10705-4780 www.flickr.com/photos/conuropsis/albums -- NYSbirds-L List Info: Welcome and Basics (http://www.northeastbirding.com/NYSbirdsWELCOME.htm) Rules and Information (http://www.northeastbirding.com/NYSbirdsRULES.htm) Subscribe, Configuration and Leave (http://www.northeastbirding.com/NYSbirdsSubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm) Archives: The Mail Archive (http://www.mail-archive.com/nysbirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html) Surfbirds (http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/NYSBirds-L) ABA (http://birding.aba.org/maillist/NY01) Please submit your observations to eBird (http://ebird.org/content/ebird/)! -- -- NYSbirds-L List Info: http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsWELCOME.htm http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsRULES.htm http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsSubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm ARCHIVES: 1) http://www.mail-archive.com/nysbirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html 2) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/NYSBirds-L 3) http://birding.aba.org/maillist/NY01 Please submit your observations to eBird: http://ebird.org/content/ebird/ --
[nysbirds-l] Sulphur-bellied Flycatcher at Wave Hill?
Just got back from Wave Hill in the bronx and the woman at the gate who was closing up said it wasn't seen since this am. A shame it was never posted here. Only saw it posted to the FB group and that was hours later. Shame shame on these people who don't post here and don't post on the FB group until hours later. The report never came up on my FB until about 40 minutes ago. A shame what birding has become. Andrew Andrew v. F. Block Consulting Naturalist 20 Hancock Avenue, Apt. 3 Yonkers, Westchester Co., New York 10705-4780 www.flickr.com/photos/conuropsis/albums -- NYSbirds-L List Info: http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsWELCOME.htm http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsRULES.htm http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsSubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm ARCHIVES: 1) http://www.mail-archive.com/nysbirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html 2) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/NYSBirds-L 3) http://birding.aba.org/maillist/NY01 Please submit your observations to eBird: http://ebird.org/content/ebird/ --
[nysbirds-l] Sulphur-bellied Flycatcher at Wave Hill!
Just saw a report on the NY Rare Bird Alert FB group that a Sulphur-bellied Flycatcher was seen a few hours ago at Wave Hill in the Bronx! Amazing. Don't know anymore details. Andrew Andrew v. F. Block Consulting Naturalist 20 Hancock Avenue, Apt. 3 Yonkers, Westchester Co., New York 10705-4780 www.flickr.com/photos/conuropsis/albums -- NYSbirds-L List Info: http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsWELCOME.htm http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsRULES.htm http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsSubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm ARCHIVES: 1) http://www.mail-archive.com/nysbirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html 2) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/NYSBirds-L 3) http://birding.aba.org/maillist/NY01 Please submit your observations to eBird: http://ebird.org/content/ebird/ --