RE: [obc] Cycling Accident
Highway Traffic Acts differ from province to province - in Ontario, we have
'no fault', which limits claims to vehicular damage plus whatever personal injury is
not covered by corporate sick leave, provincial private health care plans. Only in
cases of permanent disability do the big insurance claims come into play.
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From: Brian Martin [mailto:bdmsle;sympatico.ca]
Sent: Saturday, November 02, 2002 7:06 PM
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Cc: OBC cycling group (E-mail)
Subject: Re: [obc] Cycling Accident
May I go a little OT here. A friend of mines little brother (45yrs
old), live in the blue nose province. His car insurance went up to
$4500.xx from $1500.xx this past little while. He told her he has done
nothing to deserve an increase, it is just that the courts are awarding
mega amounts and the insurance companies are getting their money back.
Do I hear ruminations that the same is coming to our province?
Brian
Hermann Christa Kerckhoff wrote:
David,
I join you in the Best Wishes to Phil. You write: ' hopefully next year
he'll be as fast as before...'. I have the very best information for Phil :
my TT times are faster then before I broke my hip in 1999 . A ' wise guy
' said : brake the other one . Don't think Avery would want me to be
even faster, ha,ha,ha...
My advise : re AGM info. Have good lights on your bikes in the dark and wear
a helmet. All to keep the ' mystery ' insurance fee at $ 12 per person, or
lower with no claims.
For my $ 12 I would like to have the name and policy number of our OBC or
OCA Liability Insurance company. Wouldn't all of you OBC Members like to
have that on file ?
And check your Home Owners Policy for adequate liability coverage. Most
people have 1 million. Is that enough today ?
Hermann Kerckhoff
Member
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RE: [obc] folding single gear High Performance bike
.. might also be son of BetaCam !
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From: Paul Lindsay [mailto:maclin;sympatico.ca]
Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2002 12:06 PM
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Subject: Re: [obc] folding single gear High Performance bike
Using the same Sling Power, that all of Slingshot's bikes are best
known for, the Single Shot provides the most efficient use of pedal
energy throughout the entire pedal revolution, ...
O.K. What is Sling Power? Another variation on the old elliptical
chainring idea?
(BTW. If anyone out there wants a couple of these rings, I have some
in my stock - unused).
...Paul Lindsay
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RE: [obc] Who's still commuting?
I've had to start my commute from the Kanata Park Ride since a construction crew scooped my parking spot at the Corkstown Pool - its just great going in but I'm somewhat leery about coming back on Corkstown at sunset. The worst part of the trip is getting across 417 - the access from Corkstown onto the Eagleson Expressway is hardly bike friendly even though there's a bike lane on the latter. I know I could opt for the Trim Road alternative, but I find the gravel paths of the TCT are a litlle too liberally spread with the loose stuff for cornering at speed (and there are lots of corners !). All that being said, cycle commuting sure beats the alternative ! -Original Message- From: Henry Troup [mailto:hwt;igs.net] Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2002 11:57 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [obc] Who's still commuting? Although cold, the weather is decent, and the conditions can be very pretty. Tuesday, I had a nice ride from Bell's Corners to Kanata, on pathways, with a lovely light carpet of fallen leaves. It was so nice, I thought of calling in well and keeping going. But I didn't. Tomorrow - Friday - looks reasonable, and Monday is a maybe. The Weather Network http://www.theweathernetwork.com/cities/can/Ottawa_ON.htm predicts white stuff Tuesday, however. Another useful weather URL is the Franktown radar station: http://www.weatheroffice.ec.gc.ca/radar/xft_e.html Henry Troup, OBC member form in the mail - For list help, please send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Club Office: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (613) 230-1064 Website: [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb Newsletter: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - - For list help, please send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Club Office: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (613) 230-1064 Website: [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb Newsletter: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - ==^^=== This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aVxiDo.a2i8p1.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^^===
[obc] Almonte Bicycle Club Dinner - Saturday, October 26 at 6:00 pm
Almonte Bicycle Club extends an invitation to local cyclists who may want to join them in an end of season celebration at the almonte Legion on Saturday October 26th at 6 pm for drinks and a sit down meal at 6:45. We open with a salad, followed by a roast pork main course, finishing with fruit pie for dessert. Tea or coffee will be served. The price is $15. Bar opens at 6pm. A brief awards ceremony will take place after the dinner, recognising club members' time trial performances. This will be followed by a slide presentation by duathlete, Jordan Smith, who recently completed a somewhat unorthodox trip to Africa. Please email [EMAIL PROTECTED] or phone 256-2498 if you would like to come - we need final figures by Monday 21st. - For list help, please send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Club Office: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (613) 230-1064 Website: [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb Newsletter: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - ==^^=== This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aVxiDo.a2i8p1 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^^===
[obc] Fallen Leaves Ride - Saturday, October 19th at 9:30 am, Almonte Arena
Tired of the traffic in Gatineau Park ? Come and enjoy fall colours in Lanark County - Almonte Bicycle Club offers the choice of a 40 km ride to Lanark or a 110 km ride to Dalhousie Lake starting from Almonte Arena at 10 am. Pick up maps from 9:30 on and be there for the group start at 10 am, weather permitting. Email [EMAIL PROTECTED] if you plan to attend, or call 256-2498. - For list help, please send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Club Office: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (613) 230-1064 Website: [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb Newsletter: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - ==^^=== This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aVxiDo.a2i8p1 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^^===
RE: [obc] Link Vote
The board have already voted on the issue - those who didn't agree with the decision first questioned the vote and are now questioning the integrity of those who voted. It seems to me that this whole business is not about time trial results (which affect only a fraction of the membership), but of the conduct of the board in general. If this is the case then those who are concerned can put the whole matter to rest by voting in a whole new board at the AGM, yes, even replacing those whose positions are not up for re-election, because I am sure that they, like many others in this club are totally sick of hearing about this issue. I just hope that if the board does indeed resign, as well they may, that the club will be able to find volunteers dedicated enough to fill their shoes, because, quite frankly, I wouldn't want to put up with the constant criticism. -Original Message- From: Joseph A Danis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, October 07, 2002 11:50 AM To: Knight, Ross; tim aubin; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Subject: RE: [obc] Link Vote Could the Board please resolve the issue concerning the reporting of Time Trial results as soon as possible? Celia has done an excellent job in reporting these results. My suggestion is that the Board accept her offer to provide this valuable service - not as a link to another site but as part of the OBC web site. I can't understand why the Board is refusing to accept the help of such a dedicated volunteer. I am beginning to wonder if the OBC is a Bike Club or Biker Club! Joseph A. Danis On Oct 7 , Knight, Ross [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: To the OBC Board Members. I request that NO LINK be placed to a web site that is reporting on OBC club activities. Specifically cycling results from only one activity, the OBC TT. Ross Knight - For list help, please send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Club Office: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (613) 230-1064 Website: [EMAIL PROTECTED]a href='http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb'http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb/a Newsletter: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Joseph A. Danis - For list help, please send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Club Office: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (613) 230-1064 Website: [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb Newsletter: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - - For list help, please send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Club Office: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (613) 230-1064 Website: [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb Newsletter: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - ==^^=== This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aVxiDo.a2i8p1 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^^===
RE: [obc] Dwyer Hill road to be resurfaced in Oct.
I wonder whether it would make a good 15 k course - the existing one at the Air Museum is getting rather bumpy ! -Original Message- From: PGY [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2002 2:40 PM To: 'OBC' Subject: [obc] Dwyer Hill road to be resurfaced in Oct. I came across the crew readying to resurface the Dryer Hill road between Richmond road and Roger Stevens drive yesterday. They said the work will take place for most of October. You probably want to make other route plans for that period. Despite the truly awful current road surface, this stretch is one of my favourites in the Ottawa flatlands. It's one of those rare Ottawa valley roads with curves and trees. And it goes to Burrit Rapids (nice), Merrickville (nice) and Smiths Falls (sweet) With a new surface I'll be grinning ear to ear on it. Thought you might like to know. PGY - For list help, please send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Club Office: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (613) 230-1064 Website: [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb Newsletter: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - - For list help, please send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Club Office: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (613) 230-1064 Website: [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb Newsletter: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - ==^ This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aVxiDo.a2i8p1 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
RE: [obc] Lack of TT results- posted on behalf of member Paul Smeulders
On the whole I prefer the laid back approach given in the following link - www.beastway.com -Original Message- From: Hall, David [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2002 2:04 PM To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Subject: RE: [obc] Lack of TT results- posted on behalf of member Paul Smeulders - - Original Message - From: Paul Smeulders [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: OBClist [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2002 11:00 Subject: Lack of TT results I'm loathe to step into this, but I'd like to point out a few things regarding SPECIFICALLY Michael's comments regarding the board, and Avery in particular: Avery, [snip] - the board is not a dictatorship in the 2 year interim between elections I understand that Avery has a vote on a board of how many...12 or 15? While Avery speaks with some influential fervour, he is not at all the board's dictator. They will vote, and Avery's opinion will carry the democratic weight it deserves. So happens, I guess, that the majority agree with him, from time to time. Evidently so, on this issue. You are free to disagree. - your attitudes and opinions surrounding a link to Celia's site are not attitudes and opinions that are the saving grace of the OBC. The OBC existed long before your ideas came along, with supporting websites and information, and the OBC will also continue to exist long after, even if these attitudes and opinions were to be dropped today. So, you needn't think you are doing the membership any favours with your position Okay, can repeat my above paragraph here again. But, more than this, the board has taken on an activity for which they were not asked or required to do by the membership. Where was this attitude in any election platform? The membership didn't have an issue or concern before, and still do not with Celia's sites. The board is responsible for their own difficult existence because of their stance. The board is spending time and resources on activities for which there are far better things to do. Just think what great things could be accomplished, if the board spent half as much time and energy as they do tackling this matter, on some more useful persuit. Anyone up for brainstorming of ideas for the board to spend an obvious over-abundance of energy? The other side of this coin is the following, please consider it, despite the argument over the details of the original premise, that of the resignation. Evidently, the board believed they were faced with a resignation. They believed they HAD to get the work done by someone else. That someone else was not prepared to immediately and magically complete the substitute website. I can understand that a board may say: What is the shortest path to a desired result? Negotiating more with someone who has resigned, or just launch the new-guy, and see what he comes up with?. The latter option has a definite desired result at some time, assuming commitment and competence. The former may never have a result, and in fact, could further delay the result if the latter option ultimately becomes to ONLY option, ie, negotiations fail. We may argue the resignation, as Celia has, and we can also argue about taking that second decision...perhaps a little more negotiation WOULD have resulted in achieving a satisfactory end-point even sooner than we had one. Fact is, now we can't know for sure. We can all place our own reasonable guesses. In the meantime, I greatly benefited from the work of BOTH volunteers, and I thank them. I'm not saying this as a voice against Celia (oh god, never). Let's be very very clear that I've come to respect and adore her, and enjoy the personality, colour, expertise, and overall contribution she makes to our community. I think her contribution would be dearly missed if she really stopped working for the TT and the club members. I hope I'm ONLY arguing some of Michael's points made with respect to how he believes Avery dictates to the board like some pied-piper, as well as Michael's points regarding the percieved wastage of time. Sometimes you make a decision, you go with it. Changing it later, well, that can be an even bigger waste of time. So to address Michael's comment : No business would tolerate such behaviour ...but they themselves do it often. How's your/my investment portfolio doing? ugh. Two sidesits all I'm saying. It's easy to attack Avery himself, since he has the sometimes dirty job of communicating board decisions to the membership. I have no idea whether the whole story is before us or not. I don't think it matters in so far as it affects my arguments regarding Michael's comments themselves. It does matter to the larger issue at hand, and I know nothing at all about that. Peace everybody. BTW: I think all the websites are in error. Didn't I do a 21:xx at some point?? Paul ohh, THAT was a flash-back, way, way back Smeulders. PS: Hey, if
[obc] FW: Almonte 40K TT - Sunday September 9 th - Union Hall 7:45 for 8 am
ABC 40 km TT - 8am Sunday September 8th - Catch a 'float' morning on the ABC 40k course. This is your definitely your last kick at the cat - a chance to excel while the big cats are whooping it up in Cornwall 40k results count towards the OBC Best All Rounder Competition (BAR) and, for, those who have signed up for the Almonte Series, the Almonte Club BAR. Advance registration to John Warren ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) or by phone (256-3195), no later than Saturday 7 th @ 6 pm, desirable. - For list help, please send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Club Office: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (613) 230-1064 Website: [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb Newsletter: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - ==^ This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aVxiDo.a2i8p1 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
RE: [obc] Worn out Shorts
or possibly even a case of shingles . -Original Message- From: Tom Trottier [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, August 26, 2002 7:56 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [obc] Worn out Shorts Yep, it's clearly an ass fault. tOM On Friday, August 23, 2002 at 9:23, Allan Anderson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote re Re: [obc] Worn out Shorts saying: Butt, that is the problem - the behind is being left Usually I comment that there is a nice view of the valley from back here. Then further remarks about the flanking hills, and so forth. --- Quidquid latine dictum sit altum viditur - ,__@ Tom A. Trottier +1 613 860-6633 fax:231-6115 _-\_, 758 Albert St.,Ottawa ON Canada K1R 7V8 (*)/'(*)ICQ:57647974 N45.412 W75.714 - Laws are the spider's webs which, if anything small falls into them they ensnare it, but large things break through and escape. --Solon, statesman (c.638-c558 BCE) - For list help, please send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Club Office: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (613) 230-1064 Website: [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb Newsletter: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - - For list help, please send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Club Office: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (613) 230-1064 Website: [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb Newsletter: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - ==^ This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aVxiDo.a2i8p1 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
RE: [obc] TT results on OBC links
Many are called but few are chosen ! Of the fact that Celia is doing a super job, there can be no doubt, however, in order to get results at all you need people to actually run the program. We have been very fortunate so far in having Jim Glover and his associates giving their time, but the high turn out of riders is not reflected in the numbers willing to volunteer. It would be just great if we had more than one candidate for Time Trial Co-Ordinator if that position were put up for election. -Original Message- From: Michael Coldwell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Sunday, August 18, 2002 2:42 PM To: OBC Subject: [obc] TT results on OBC links Earlier this season I had pointed out, to the OBC Board, the lack of TT results on the OBC website. I was told, at that time, that it was being developed and we should all be more patient. Since Celia had (and has!) continued to independently produce excellent quality result pages and since it appeared that development of the official TT pages had hardly started, I suggested that, at least until the work was complete, a link be made from the OBC web to Celia's result pages. My suggestion was ignored, and at one point there were no updates to the official TT result pages for more than a month of our competetive season. We have now had almost a whole season of TT's, and most members of the club have mostly viewed the results from Celia's link that she sends out each week. The reality is that Celia is supporting the club member requirements, and is certainly recognized within the membership for her superb work and dedication, though it seems unappreciated by the OBC board. If the OBC board is unwilling to appreciate the TT results we did have (which I feel were second to none of any bicycle club sites), then I would recommend that the TT keeper position be an elected position. You know where my vote will go. Advantages of Celia's site: colour coded for easy viewing and picking out relative placements; links from each line detail to access other grouping information (by category, name, or speed); timeliness of data onto the site; weather details; proper seed sheets; BAR calculations; ABC results; complete and accurate results (i.e. all categories (I notice the PeeWee is missing from August 8 official results - too bad, as I think it's great to encourage the young cyclists); complete volunteer lists (once again, we can't survive without volunteers, and they should always be recognized)); there may be more issues, but I sure haven't done an in depth search). I am a user of this information, appreciate having it, and knowing that we have had the quality support from Celia, certainly would not expect that we need to take a step backwards as technological capabilities generally takes steps forward. Michael __ Post your ad for free now! http://personals.yahoo.ca - For list help, please send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Club Office: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (613) 230-1064 Website: [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb Newsletter: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - - For list help, please send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Club Office: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (613) 230-1064 Website: [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb Newsletter: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - ==^ This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aVxiDo.a2i8p1 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
RE: [obc] ABC40 - Sunday Aug 18 @ 7:45 for 8am @ Union Hall
Last call on this Sunday's 40 - any more takers ? -Original Message- From: Les Humphreys (K) Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2002 11:35 AM To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Cc: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'; 'Métivier Chantal'; 'Nicole LaViolette'; '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'; '#Ian'; 'John Ajersch'; 'Michael Coldwell'; 'Gilles Lamenoise'; 'Rosmarie Gerber'; 'Marlon Tang'; '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'; Les Humphreys (K); '#Morvan, Jacques' Subject: RE: ABC40 - Sunday Aug 18 @ 7:45 for 8am @ Union Hall ABC 40 km TT - 8am Sunday - Catch a 'float' morning on the ABC 40k course. This is your last but one kick at the cat - a chance to excel while the big cats are playing away at the Provincials. 40k results count towards the OBC Best All Rounder Competition (BAR) and, for, those who have signed up for the Almonte Series, the Almonte Club BAR. Advance registration to Les Humphreys by phone (952-0325, office, 256-2498, home) desirable. No charge for OBC members but members of other clubs wishing to ride the series must join ABC as second claim members (cost $20). To get there Take 417 west to March Rd (CR49, formerly hwy44), go west 15 k to Almonte. On reaching Almonte go straight on through lights at the shopping plaza, Martin St and hwy 29 (formerly 15) and a further 8km west on Wolf Grove Rd (CR 16). Union Hall is at the intersection of Tatlock Rd (CR9). Course is 12 km out from Union Hall to Middleville and back on County Road 16, then 8 km out to Hwy 7 and back on County Road 9, finishing on 9 near Union Hall. First rider off at 8:15. Pre-registration is desirable. - For list help, please send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Club Office: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (613) 230-1064 Website: [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb Newsletter: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - ==^ This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aVxiDo.a2i8p1 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
RE: [obc] Champlain Bridge - Oh dear!
The problem is historical - before renovations were complete, cyclists in both directions were obliged to use the northbound sidewalk - I'm sure there are many that are still unware that a southbound bike lane even exists ! If you are coming west along the north shore bikeway, you must pass under the bridge in order to reach the southbound bike lane - this access is not intuitively obvious to anyone who is used to exiting onto the lower Aylmer Road to gain access to the formarly bidirectional bike lane. -Original Message- From: Datars Sally [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, August 12, 2002 12:14 PM To: 'OBC' Subject: FW: [obc] Champlain Bridge - Oh dear! I used the bridge last week in the morning and encountered 3 other cyclists using the Northbound lane to go South. Normally when I encounter a person on a bike riding toward me, I inform them in no uncertain terms where they belong. But in this case, since there were 2 of them together and the bridge was newly opened, I thought there might be some stupid rule allowing 2 directions in one lane. But such was not the case. I can't figure out why people are doing this, as there are wide lanes on both sides for cyclists. Funny you witnessed the same thing Eric. It's beyond my comprehension. I don't think the white line is the reason for this but I agree with Eric that perhaps confusion for motorists might be avoided by removing the white line. Or, what about painting a bicycle symbol in the lane and an arrow indicating one way. Or overhead light indicators as used in the motorists lanes. As for the crud collecting along the side, that will happen with or without bike lanes. Still and all, a huge improvement, IMHO. Sally (OBC member) -Original Message- From: Wright, Eric [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, August 12, 2002 11:57 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [obc] Champlain Bridge - Oh dear! Insanity prevails. I drove the bridge last night. I ask why demark the bicycle/trash lane at all? I witnessed it promote poor behaviour from both a bike rider and a car: -Bike traveling southbound on the northbound side. -Car using it as a right-turn lane as you exit the bridge northbound. To a standard citizen, a white line on the right suggests a paved shoulder (upon which traffic should not be travelling). Save the paint, why not just a WIDE right lane? - For list help, please send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Club Office: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (613) 230-1064 Website: [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb Newsletter: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - - For list help, please send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Club Office: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (613) 230-1064 Website: [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb Newsletter: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - - For list help, please send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Club Office: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (613) 230-1064 Website: [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb Newsletter: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - ==^ This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aVxiDo.a2i8p1 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
RE: [obc] Wheel balancing?
There is no way anything as light as a reflector could affect the roundness of a wheel at the speeds at which bicycles travel. Reflectors do, however, make it difficult for a spoke wrench to reach the spokes to which reflectors are attached, so it wouldn't be beyond the realms of possiblity for a lazy bike mechanic to refrain from tightening those spokes during maintenance, leaving the wheel out of round in those spots. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 11:13 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [obc] Wheel balancing? Hi, I've been told that reflectors attached to spokes can indeed put your wheel out of true. I guess if you true the wheels with reflectors on, it would stand to reason that the removal would also put the wheel out of true. Can anyone confirm this? If you don't want to use reflectors, I have seen a few models of tires that have reflective sidewalls - one of the neatest things I've seen all summer! Probably more for touring bikes than road riding though. I've seen Maxxim (?), Vittoria and Hutchinson models. Not sure if any of these have MTB sizes, didn't ask! Jen [obc member] Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 09:38:05 -0400 From: skiza [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Wheel balancing? For some time now, I have been biking using a road bike (Specialized Epic) both outdoors and indoors. When indoors, I clamp my bike to a mag-trainer and just pedal for 30-40 minutes ... it's quite a workout. When I bike on the mag-trainer there is a very mild numbing vibration. I thought initially that it was because I had removed the reflectors on the wheels ... so I put them back on locating them opposite the valve, but the vibration is still there. Can anyone suggest a possible solution? . Is there such thing as wheel balancing for bicycles? Thanks ... John -- Jennifer Allen Cycling Safety and Promotion Program Coordinator 251 Bank Street Suite 504 (at Cooper) K2P 1X3 (613) 567-1288 (613) 567-1818 fax [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.cfsc.ottawa.on.ca/ - For list help, please send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Club Office: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (613) 230-1064 Website: [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb Newsletter: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - - For list help, please send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Club Office: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (613) 230-1064 Website: [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb Newsletter: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - ==^ This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aVxiDo.a2i8p1 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
[obc] The carapace is here !
Well, air bags have finally arrived in the cycling world! An Italian company is now marketing a vest which automatically monitors stability, so that when things are getting a little lop-sided, a built-in air bag inflates. In 0.1 of a second, you could do a very passable imitation of a sumo wrestler, or better still, the perfect copy of the Michelin Man, or alternatively, turn a wind resistant block into a streamlined blob ! - For list help, please send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Club Office: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (613) 230-1064 Website: [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb Newsletter: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - ==^ This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aVxiDo.a2i8p1 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
RE: [obc] MSNBC News Link: Great feat, but not a great athlete
To quote Ron Borges'comments about Mike Tyson . As much as you might want to ignore Ron Borges you cannot. Nuts tend to attract your attention -Original Message- From: Greg Franks [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, July 26, 2002 4:39 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [obc] MSNBC News Link: Great feat, but not a great athlete Greg Franks sent you this MSNBC News Link: Message: Well, the arm chair quarterbacks of the world want to yap. . . Heres one. ** Great feat, but not a great athlete ** Borges: Armstrong winning Tour impressive, but its not athletic http://www.msnbc.com/modules/exports/ct_email.asp?/news/785267.asp __ Check out the hour's top stories on MSNBC.com http://www.msnbc.com MSNBC does not confirm the E-mail address of the sender of this MSNBC News Link. For your information, the sender's IP Address is: 209.217.102.94 - For list help, please send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Club Office: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (613) 230-1064 Website: [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb Newsletter: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - - For list help, please send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Club Office: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (613) 230-1064 Website: [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb Newsletter: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - ==^ This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aVxiDo.a2i8p1 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
RE: [obc] LeBreton bicycle paths roads
At first sight it would appear to me that unless something is done to separate parkway traffic from residential traffic, this plan is a recipe for further downtown chaos. The Booth Street - Chaudière drag strip is already choc à bloc with traffic and it can only get worse. The parkway itself gets busy enough already during rush hour - adding Le Breton traffic will just exacerbate the situation. I'm sure that once this development is complete they'll be looking at widening both the parway, the Chaudière and the Portage bridges, or at least turning the two bridges into a one way scheme. As far as bike paths are concerned, my choice would be to keep the Pooley Bridge leg but to put another one along the river, akin to the informal one that currently exists. This would link to Portage via Victoria Island and afford acces to Hull via Chaudière. -Original Message- From: Tom Trottier [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, July 24, 2002 5:16 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [obc] LeBreton bicycle paths roads Folks, The NCC is proposing detouring the Ottawa River Parkway and demolishing the Parkway between the Portage bridge and the railway tracks. There are two cyclists' issues I see. 1. I think the Ottawa River recreational path should continue along the old Parkway route and over Booth Street on the existing overpass that seems doomed at the moment. This would avoid the current level crossing at Booth. 2. The lanes proposed on the detour are each 3.5m wide. I would suggest the curb lane be wider than the passing lane to allow more room for cyclists. This is City policy, but it's an NCC road. It you want to comment to the NCC[EMAIL PROTECTED] , you have until tomorrow, July 25, which is their comments cut-off date. See the bottom of http://www.canadascapital.gc.ca/corporate/youropinions/pm_lebreton_e.asp The exhibits show various maps of the area. Tom Trottier --- Quidquid latine dictum sit altum viditur - ,__@ Tom A. Trottier +1 613 860-6633 fax:231-6115 _-\_, 758 Albert St.,Ottawa ON Canada K1R 7V8 (*)/'(*)ICQ:57647974 N45.412 W75.714 - Laws are the spider's webs which, if anything small falls into them they ensnare it, but large things break through and escape. --Solon, statesman (c.638-c558 BCE) - For list help, please send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Club Office: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (613) 230-1064 Website: [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb Newsletter: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - - For list help, please send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Club Office: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (613) 230-1064 Website: [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb Newsletter: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - ==^ This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aVxiDo.a2i8p1 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
RE: [obc] Country Cycling in Ottawa map
As an out of towner, one of the biggest benefits to cycle touring within the city would be some indication as to where an out of town visitor can park to gain access to the trail network without getting dinged with a parking ticket. While parking tickets may be a lucrative source of revenue, it's a bit much when a visitor gets slapped with a $25 fine for spending more than 3 hours at the Lanark Avenue parking lot at Westboro Beach. -Original Message- From: Tom Trottier [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, June 28, 2002 10:16 AM To: Bennett, Robin Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [obc] Country Cycling in Ottawa map Dear Robin Bennett, The current cycling map does not cover the whole city. It would be great for cyclists and tourists if a second map, titled, say Country Cycling in Ottawa could be created which covers all of Ottawa. Current bike clubs could suggest tour routes along existing roads. The clubs already create route maps for half a dozen tours each week in the spring, summer and fall. This would encourage visitors and new cyclists to venture into the country, with attendant health benefits, and would be a great stepping stone to increased bicycle commuting. Since cyclists get hungry and thirsty, there would be benefits to country stores and restaurants. Perhaps they could be signalled on the map? It is also a great way for all residents to get to know all of Ottawa and foster a feeling of togetherness. Since the map would be based on existing roads in the the city's Geographical Information System Database, there would be a minimum of extra work to produce it. It would be an investment in reducing auto traffic and pollution and making healthier citizens. Perhaps your GIS department should expand so it can provide more resources for citizens, not only maps for city workers. Then you could reduce its backlog. The off-road trail maps at http://www.pathwaystohealth.on.ca/ could also be printed on the second side. This would make use of existing maps that are now only accessible through the web. These maps just cover Nepean and Kanata, so perhaps input could be solicited for other areas of the city. Perhaps expenses and work could be shared with the NCC since they maintain off-road trails in their properties. Also, I would like to suggest you print the URLs, addresses, and phone numbers of the local bicycle clubs on both maps. They are available from: http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb/ http://www.cfsc.ottawa.on.ca/ http://www.knbc.ca/ http://www.magma.ca/~abc/contact.html And I'm still hoping you identify the rental and repair shops on both maps! Thanks, Tom Trottier On Friday, June 28, 2002 at 8:44, Bennett, Robin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote re FW: Your Query to the City saying: -Original Message- From: Bennett, Robin Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2002 12:43 PM To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Cc: Arnold, Elisabeth; Hope, Daphne Subject: Your Query to the City Dear Mr. Trottier, Thank you for your suggestion. I have been asked to provide a comment with regard to it. As you are aware the City already produces a cycling map showing suggested routes as well as cycling facilities like mixed-use pathways and bicycle lanes on roads. This map is expected to be updated in 2003 and will have many improvements in accuracy of information. It is intended to be fully comprehensive showing all cycling routes in the City. A lot of effort goes into the production of this map. Past suggestions you have made with respect to improving the current version will be considered for the next revision. The City has also produced maps of off-road cycling in Nepean and Kanata and these can be viewed at http://www.pathwaystohealth.on.ca/. The City has the technology to produce more specialised maps showing or highlighting specific cycling routes or circuits, however there is considerable cost to such an endeavour, particularly in labour costs. The GIS department has a backlog of work to do and such a project aside from having an extra cost to it would not be a high priority for them. Rather than generating new cycling maps it would be better value for your tax dollars to continue to refine the current map. I trust this addresses your concerns. Sincerely Robin - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Robin Bennett, MCIP RPP Transportation Planner - Alternate Modes Mobility and Area Traffic Management Division Traffic and Parking Operations Branch Transportation and Public Utilities Department City of Ottawa 2 Constellation Crescent, 6th Floor Ottawa (Nepean) Ontario K2G 5J9 Tel: 580-2424 extension 13174 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Bergen,
RE: [obc] Hey Avery et al.
What accident statistics are there to justify this initiative - other than reducing the numbers of cyclists on the road, I wonder if there has been any reduction in the numbers of serious head injuries since helmet use has become mandatory. -Original Message- From: Avery Burdett [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, July 18, 2002 4:11 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [obc] Hey Avery et al. Apparently this is a private member's bill introduced by the Liberal MPP for Brant, Dave Levac. It appears to bring boarders, skaters, scooter riders, etc within the scope of the bicycle helmet law. What is not obvious from reading it is the proposal to repeal the regulation which exempts adults from the law. Looks like a helmet law for adults by stealth. Once again we have an MPP who thinks he should decide whether you, me and everyone else should wear a helmet or not. Since private member's bills are usually publicity stunts and don't go anywhere, it may just die. I am however trying to determine what the positions of the government and the opposition party are, just in case someone forgets there'll need to be a public discussion before thsi goes any further. Wright, Eric ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) writes: Okay...I'll start, Highway Traffic Amendment Act (Helmets), 2002 I believe helmet use should be mandatory only on multicrash paths (ie. 'bikepaths')...but it appears pathways would be excluded with he proposed ammendment. Maybe someone will have to form a new club that ONLY rides on multiuse paths http://www.ontla.on.ca/documents/Bills/37_Parliament/Session3/b111_e.htm Eric Wright [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] - For list help, please send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Club Office: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (613) 230-1064 Website: [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb Newsletter: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - -- Avery Burdett Ottawa, Ontario - For list help, please send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Club Office: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (613) 230-1064 Website: [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb Newsletter: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - - For list help, please send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Club Office: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (613) 230-1064 Website: [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb Newsletter: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - ==^ This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aVxiDo.a2i8p1 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
RE: [obc] Hey Avery et al.
It's not a question of looking dorky. Long before automobiles took over the roads, bicycles were a convenient form of transportation for shoppers and commuters. Until SUVs became the weapon of choice, people had actually started to think that there was some merit in the bicycle as a non polluting alternative to the automobile. Although helmets have been embraced by cycling afficionados, joe blow is not going to use his bike to go down the store for groceries if he has to drag a helmet everywhere he goes - the convenience of using a bicycle for short trips is lost. The mindless application of legislation to mould the person next door into someone worthy of being considered a neighbour diminishes us all. -Original Message- From: Dominic Richens [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2002 10:27 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [obc] Hey Avery et al. Tom Trottier writes: The question in my mind is not whether helmets, or helmet laws, save lives. They do. The question is whether people have the right to live dangerously. Do we have to have all danger mandated out of our control? Will skydiving and rockclimbing be outlawed? If adult macho idiots want to avoid safety gear, let them improve the gene pool by leaving it. Actually the question is whether helmet laws save lives by better protecting cyclists during accidents, or by deterring people (i.e. the 15%) from cycling all together because they don't want to look dorky :-) Dominic Dorky-looking but still able to tie my own shoelaces Richens [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] - For list help, please send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Club Office: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (613) 230-1064 Website: [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb Newsletter: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - - For list help, please send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Club Office: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (613) 230-1064 Website: [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb Newsletter: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - ==^ This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aVxiDo.a2i8p1 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
[obc] Youth bike racing
We used to put kids races on at the Gt Canadian Rally - they were certainly great entertainment - for the 5-6yr olds, the biggest problem was navigation, while in the backwards race, it was the crashes. The mustang race for the 14 year olds was definitely the most competitive, and the gravel running track ideal for that competition. The wheelie competition was the most difficault to judge and the slow bicycling race was a breeze for those who could hold an indefinite balance. All in all it certainly went down well on a one time basis, but if it became a competitive activity its own right, people would start taking it too seriously and a lot of the fun aspect would be lost. -Original Message- From: Simpson, Bob [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, July 08, 2002 10:51 AM To: 'OBC Mailing List' (E-mail) Subject: [obc] FW: Youth bike racing Lynda Kadey-Smith brought this website to my attention, aimed at encouraging youth bike racing. I was wondering if there is much interest in this kind of thing? Events could include time trials, obstacle races, slow races, coasting contests, etc. I know that we've had some kids as young as 12 years old attend the Learn to Race clinics and it could be a lot of fun. This is the kind of thing that a local track would be perfect for. Bob Simpson -Original Message- From: Kadey-Smith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 2002,July,08,Monday 9:16 AM To: Simpson, Bob Subject: Youth bike racing I came upon a website that encourages youth to get involved with bike racing. I think I remember reading something about encouraging youth in cycling somewhere in the Spokesperson as part of OBC's mandate. I thought this might be of interest. They seem quite successful. If you are interested or know someone who is this is the website: http://www.mcf.net/ycl/ Lynda - For list help, please send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Club Office: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (613) 230-1064 Web/mailing list: [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb Newsletter: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb/Newsletter - - For list help, please send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Club Office: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (613) 230-1064 Web/mailing list: [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb Newsletter: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb/Newsletter - ==^ This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aVxiDo.a2i8p1 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
RE: [obc] ABC40 - Sunday July 7 @ 7:45 for 8am @ Union Hall
Correction - That last sentence should read 8:11 am and NOT 6:15. Registration closes at 8am, be ready to start your watches shortly thereafter. -Original Message- From: Les Humphreys (K) Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2002 4:41 PM To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Cc: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'; 'Métivier Chantal'; 'Nicole LaViolette'; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; '#Ian'; 'John Ajersch'; 'Michael Coldwell'; 'Gilles Lamenoise'; 'Rosmarie Gerber'; 'Marlon Tang' Subject: [obc] ABC40 - Sunday July 7 @ 7:45 for 8am @ Union Hall ABC 40 km TT - 8am Sunday Don't be too tired to get out to Almonte for one of ABC's sunday morning time trials - just think, you've got the whole day to relax after you've burned yourselves out on Wolf Grove Road. Here's the opportunity for early risers to catch a float morning on the ABC 40k course Advance registration to Les Humphreys by phone (952-0325, office,256-2498, home) desirable. No charge for OBC members but $20 to non-members for the series. This is your second kick at the cat - only two more to go after this ! To get there Take 417 west to March Rd (CR49, formerly hwy44), go west 15 k to Almonte. On reaching Almonte go straight on through lights at the shopping plaza, Martin St and hwy 29 (formerly 15) and a further 8km west on Wolf Grove Rd (CR 16). Union Hall is at the intersection of Tatlock Rd (CR9). Course is 12 km out to Middleville and back on 16, and 8 km out to hwy 7 and back on 9. First rider off at 6:15, so pre-registration desirable. - For list help, please send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Club Office: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (613) 230-1064 Web/mailing list: [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb Newsletter: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb/Newsletter - - For list help, please send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Club Office: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (613) 230-1064 Web/mailing list: [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb Newsletter: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb/Newsletter - ==^ This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aVxiDo.a2i8p1 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
[obc] ABC40 - Sunday July 7 @ 7:45 for 8am @ Union Hall
ABC 40 km TT - 8am Sunday Don't be too tired to get out to Almonte for one of ABC's sunday morning time trials - just think, you've got the whole day to relax after you've burned yourselves out on Wolf Grove Road. Here's the opportunity for early risers to catch a float morning on the ABC 40k course Advance registration to Les Humphreys by phone (952-0325, office,256-2498, home) desirable. No charge for OBC members but $20 to non-members for the series. This is your second kick at the cat - only two more to go after this ! To get there Take 417 west to March Rd (CR49, formerly hwy44), go west 15 k to Almonte. On reaching Almonte go straight on through lights at the shopping plaza, Martin St and hwy 29 (formerly 15) and a further 8km west on Wolf Grove Rd (CR 16). Union Hall is at the intersection of Tatlock Rd (CR9). Course is 12 km out to Middleville and back on 16, and 8 km out to hwy 7 and back on 9. First rider off at 6:15, so pre-registration desirable. - For list help, please send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Club Office: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (613) 230-1064 Web/mailing list: [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb Newsletter: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb/Newsletter - ==^ This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aVxiDo.a2i8p1 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
RE: [obc]
You could alternate from year to year, odd years the cruise, even years the classic - it would reduce the need for support crew without removing entirely the freedom of choice. -Original Message- From: Jeffrey Furry [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2002 2:38 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [obc] For some non-meat related RLCT feedback... Has the club considered making the Cruise route the default? I rode that route for the first time this year and it was great. No gravel roads, siginificantly less traffic, and the twisty section right before Battersea is a blast on a bike. It's a nice change from the Classic year after year. Jeffrey Avery Burdett wrote: Please forward other feedback, constructive comments, etc here or to Rosmarie at: [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] - For list help, please send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Club Office: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (613) 230-1064 Web/mailing list: [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb Newsletter: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb/Newsletter - - For list help, please send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Club Office: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (613) 230-1064 Web/mailing list: [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb Newsletter: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb/Newsletter - ==^ This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aVxiDo.a2i8p1 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
[obc] FW: Official opening of the Carleton Place - Ottawa section of the trans
All cyclists officially invited to attend - the presence of cyclists will ensure that the trail will not be taken over by motorized interests, whose objective is a nation wide network of ATV and Snowmobile safe trails for which all users except pedestrians must pay a fee. The trail is now hard pack all the way to Stittsville and affords a traffic free alternative to all other routes. Anyone interested should be at the trailhead at McNeely and Coleman Streets at 10:25 am. Those from Almonte could ride the trail to Appleton Road and return that way. Those from Ottawa might want to take it all the way to Stittsville. For further entertainment, the annual Electrothon is taking place at the speedway off highway 7 from 10 till 3 that day. High schools in eastern ontario compete in a race around the track on home-built battery powered vehicles, many made up of bike parts.Each must be capable of carrying a driver and completing the full distance. Some of the designs are quite fancy - the static displays are well worth a second look. - For list help, please send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Club Office: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (613) 230-1064 Web/mailing list: [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb Newsletter: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb/Newsletter - ==^ This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aVxiDo.a2i8p1 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
RE: [obc] First Ottawa Valley Vintage ride!
Don't you mean helmet on, Ross ? -Original Message- From: Knight, Ross [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, May 24, 2002 10:13 AM To: OBC Mailing List Subject: RE: [obc] First Ottawa Valley Vintage ride! Humm, These young pups have a different definition of vintage. Another ageing moment hits us head on. Ross D. Knight ... The idea is for folks to ride older (pre index shifting and aero brake levered, mid eighties is a nominal cut off) bikes that perhaps don't get out as often as they used to. Gee, that's my standard bike Tom - For list help, please send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Club Office: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (613) 230-1064 Web/mailing list: [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb Newsletter: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb/Newsletter - - For list help, please send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Club Office: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (613) 230-1064 Web/mailing list: [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb Newsletter: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb/Newsletter - ==^ This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aVxiDo.a2i8p1 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
RE: [obc] Rideau Lakes tour questions
Anyone who is any doubt as to whether his bike will hold together for the duration shouldn't be thinking about the 225 km option. Those who do take that option generally come prepared to deal with their own emergencies, but that doesn't mean that the group won't stop to wait for them if they break down, or even offer a spare tube in the event of multiple flats. Broken spokes should not be a reason for abandoning a ride, unless you happening to be riding wheels that are already spoke poor. Generally, a rim can be made to run true by loosening off the spokes on the other side of the broken one. If there are multiple breaks, two broken spokes twisted together will make one spoke good enough to get you home. Pretzeled rims can be straightened with the judicious use of body english. On a long unsupported ride, stick to equipment that can be serviced on the road and make sure you bring an adequate toolkit as well as a spare tube, pump and tire repair kit. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 10:23 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [obc] Rideau Lakes tour questions Was doing some reading on the up-coming Rideau Lakes tour. Since I am back in town and fit to ride, I plan on doing this for the first time. I have two questions, the first is regarding the routes you select, it looks like you have to choose which route and distance you want to do, does this also apply to the homeward bound section?. For example I may do the 225K going to Kingston but depending on how I feel the next day and the weather I might want to come home via the 177K route and not the 225K, is this a problem? Also on the 225K route, is there any unofficial SAG support for bike problems, does the group stop and help or are you left to your own devices. Last Sunday one of the riders in our group broke some some spokes he had to get a family member come and get him, just wondering how this would be handled on the 225K route. Looking for some feedback from previous riders, what's the size of the groups, do they separate the different speeds at the start like Sundays ride or is it one big group thing, just looking for more info. Thanks, Brian - For list help, please send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Club Office: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (613) 230-1064 Web/mailing list: [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb Newsletter: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb/Newsletter - - For list help, please send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Club Office: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (613) 230-1064 Web/mailing list: [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb Newsletter: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb/Newsletter - ==^ This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aVxiDo.a2i8p1 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
RE: [obc] Rideau Lakes tour questions
It has been my experience that bikes whose owners pull them apart on a regular basis for 'preventive maintenance' are the very ones that seem to break down the most often, but then, all that was pre-Shimano ! -Original Message- From: Dominic Richens [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, May 16, 2002 1:43 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [obc] Rideau Lakes tour questions Too true. As an aside, what kinds of things have broken down in years past that required either SAGging or a mechanic to fix? Any stats on that? Anything on my bike that cannot be repaired (even temporarily) with the tools in my tool sock gets a quick visual inspection before any long ride. I've: - broken spokes - gashed tires - mash rear-derailleur - rear-derailleur fell apart, launching sprocket wheel into some field - broken chain In all cases I was able to fix the bike enough to ride another 100km. I have had a seat post fail on me _three times_ (either the seat-clamp pin or at the post/clamp interface), but always on my 18km commute to/from work, where I've been able to ride w/o seat the rest of the way (were my legs sore!). I have also heard of pedal axels snapping...which would be a problem. BTW Greg: where there any signs before you started that the wheel would pretzel? cheers! -Original Message- From: Les Humphreys (K) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, May 16, 2002 8:54 AM To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [obc] Rideau Lakes tour questions Anyone who is any doubt as to whether his bike will hold together for the duration shouldn't be thinking about the 225 km option. Those who do take that option generally come prepared to deal with their own emergencies, but that doesn't mean that the group won't stop to wait for them if they break down, or even offer a spare tube in the event of multiple flats. Broken spokes should not be a reason for abandoning a ride, unless you happening to be riding wheels that are already spoke poor. Generally, a rim can be made to run true by loosening off the spokes on the other side of the broken one. If there are multiple breaks, two broken spokes twisted together will make one spoke good enough to get you home. Pretzeled rims can be straightened with the judicious use of body english. On a long unsupported ride, stick to equipment that can be serviced on the road and make sure you bring an adequate toolkit as well as a spare tube, pump and tire repair kit. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 10:23 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [obc] Rideau Lakes tour questions Was doing some reading on the up-coming Rideau Lakes tour. Since I am back in town and fit to ride, I plan on doing this for the first time. I have two questions, the first is regarding the routes you select, it looks like you have to choose which route and distance you want to do, does this also apply to the homeward bound section?. For example I may do the 225K going to Kingston but depending on how I feel the next day and the weather I might want to come home via the 177K route and not the 225K, is this a problem? Also on the 225K route, is there any unofficial SAG support for bike problems, does the group stop and help or are you left to your own devices. Last Sunday one of the riders in our group broke some some spokes he had to get a family member come and get him, just wondering how this would be handled on the 225K route. Looking for some feedback from previous riders, what's the size of the groups, do they separate the different speeds at the start like Sundays ride or is it one big group thing, just looking for more info. Thanks, Brian - For list help, please send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Club Office: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (613) 230-1064 Web/mailing list: [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb Newsletter: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb/Newsletter - - For list help, please send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Club Office: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (613) 230-1064 Web/mailing list: [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb Newsletter: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb/Newsletter - [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] - For list help, please send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Club Office: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (613) 230-1064 Web/mailing list: [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb Newsletter: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb/Newsletter
RE: [obc] Wheel overlap
Gaps once opened are getting harder to bridge, especially on those ever steepening hills ! -Original Message- From: Rod Plunkett [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, May 09, 2002 9:07 PM To: OBC List Subject: Re: [obc] Wheel overlap -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Okay okay, let's see if we can keep this thread going all the way to December! - -Rod - - Original Message - From: Paul Smeulders [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: OBClist [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, May 09, 2002 2:38 PM Subject: [obc] Wheel overlap snip -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGPfreeware 7.0.3 for non-commercial use http://www.pgp.com iQA/AwUBPNsdJy2G1ETgdA0gEQJfFgCfbvTKAKrRHGS1IyGLuqdeNYDJ97EAoO6w t5Se0MZ7RV42jwOhA+C/9Hm8 =Kqj/ -END PGP SIGNATURE- - For list help, please send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Club Office: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (613) 230-1064 Web/mailing list: [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb Newsletter: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb/Newsletter - - For list help, please send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Club Office: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (613) 230-1064 Web/mailing list: [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb Newsletter: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb/Newsletter - ==^ This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aVxiDo.a2i8p1 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
[obc] ABC time trials begin this Tuesday - May 14th
Venue is Union Hall - registrations close at 6:15 pm for a 6:30 pm start. Course : Tatlock Road. Open to OBC and ABC members. ABC membership forms are available at Union Hall. Union Hall is 8km west of Almonte on County Road 16 (continuation of County Rd 49 (formerly 44) beyond Petro Canada (intersection County Rd 29, formerly 15) in Almonte. To get there, take 49 (March Rd) exit west from 417, 6km west of the highway 7 exit, direction Almonte. Les Humphreys 952-0325 - For list help, please send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Club Office: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (613) 230-1064 Web/mailing list: [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb Newsletter: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb/Newsletter - ==^ This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aVxiDo.a2i8p1 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
FW: [obc]
This email might be of interest to anyone looking to buy a new pair of wheels - regrettably they would probaly be wasted on me ! -Original Message- From: Balerna, Lisa [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2002 10:51 AM To: Les Humphreys (K) Subject: RE: [obc] Importance: High Hi Les, I forgot about the email. The wheels are Gipiemme wheels(made in Italy), 55mm or 60mm profile, 16 spokes with Campi cassette(Veloce). I bought them at sportables for 1000 dollars. Only used one season by a tiny rider (me! being 100lbs) so in great condition. It also has new Hutchinson Gold race tires (70 dollars + tax each). The reason for selling is that it was recommended I purchase 650w due to my stature. I bought Zipp 404's last year. I would be willing to sell wheel set for $500. Let me know if you are interested or would like to see the wheels. Have a super day! Lisa Balerna Computer Programmer/Systems Analyst Canada Customs and Revenue Agency ITB - CDD - ICD - Batch Output (819) 994-3457 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Les Humphreys (K) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: April 19, 2002 8:33 AM To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Subject: RE: [obc] You just did but you didn't say what rims, which hubs and how much ! -Original Message- From: Balerna, Lisa [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, April 19, 2002 7:48 AM To: OBC Mailing List Subject: [obc] Importance: High Hi, I have wheels to sell700's...is there a place on the website to post things for sale?? Have a nice weekend. Lisa Balerna Computer Programmer/Systems Analyst Canada Customs and Revenue Agency ITB - CDD - ICD - Batch Output (819) 994-3457 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: David Bilenkey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: April 18, 2002 9:42 PM To: OBC Mailing List Subject: [obc] WTB: Campagnolo 2-bolt seatpost 26.4 mm diameter Thanks to all at the swap last night, I'd say it was a great success, and I hope others feel the same. One thing I hoped maybe might show up is a seatpost/seatpin I need. Alas it did not so I guess I'll ask here first and see what turns up. So what I'm looking for is a Campagnolo old style 2-bolt seatpost 26.4 mm in diameter. It would have a smooth finish, no flutes or any pantographing, and hopefully no minimum insertion indicator. I'd need one of the longer ones (they came in two lengths) which would measure about 180 mm long. Any chance anyone out there can help? Cheers, David Bilenkey Bilenkey Industrial Design Ottawa, Ontario, Canada [EMAIL PROTECTED] (613) 722-2552 -- Club Office: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (613) 230-1064 Web/mailing list: [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb Newsletter: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb/Newsletter -- Club Office: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (613) 230-1064 Web/mailing list: [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb Newsletter: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb/Newsletter - For list help, please send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Club Office: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (613) 230-1064 Web/mailing list: [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb Newsletter: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb/Newsletter - ==^ This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aVxiDo.a2i8p1 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
RE: [obc] German - Cycling Clubs / Organizations / Advisory Groups ?
Check the UCI website - they would have record of all affiliated bodies - check www.uci.ch -Original Message- From: Bill Taylor who's a [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2002 5:55 PM To: OBC Mail List Subject: [obc] German - Cycling Clubs / Organizations / Advisory Groups ? Hello all, My name's Bill Taylor, and I along with my family, we've been OBC members going back to the early 80's [feeling old now, considering that's a good 20+ years!] I'm helping out with Paul 'Boomer' Throops' Ride To Survive. As a volunteer, and one who's life like so many has been touched by cancer, when I heard about Paul's round the world tour to raise for funds for cancer research, I knew I had to become involved. FYI: the web site can be found at: http://www.ridetosurvive.org They've asked me to find all bicycle clubs in Germany. So, while I'm going through the standard search engines, I thought I'd ask here if anyone knows of any specific clubs? According to Paul's itinerary, he'll be going through Berlin, Whittenberg, Hamberg and Bremen. I'm contacting as many cycling clubs and organizations along Paul's planned route in an effort to bring greater pubic exposure to his undertaking. I'm still very new at all this, but my understanding is that through increased public awareness, those who Paul encounters along his journey will be inclined to make a financial donation to their local cancer research center. Alternatively, if you know of other sites on the web, or sources on the Internet in general, where I can locate such listings, I'd be very grateful if you could please pass them along to me. Just as there's a provincial and federal organizations / bodies for cycling in Canada, does anyone know of similar counterparts in Germany? Many thanks, Bill Taylor - For list help, please send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Club Office: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (613) 230-1064 Web/mailing list: [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb Newsletter: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb/Newsletter - - For list help, please send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Club Office: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (613) 230-1064 Web/mailing list: [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb Newsletter: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb/Newsletter - ==^ This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aVxiDo.a2i8p1 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
RE: [obc] legal wheels
I wouldn't recommend contacting the insurer - go thru the provincial association - there are already too many caveats in the insurance policy without us asking for more. The way things are right now, we are lucky there is any insurance at all ! -Original Message- From: Aaron Fillion [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, April 15, 2002 1:47 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [obc] legal wheels Michael Coldwell wrote: Bob, I don't know if this is obvious or not, but for the Grand Prix **Novice** category race, would the legal wheels still be required? Yes, because it is a sanctioned race. I have been following some discussion on the use of non-legal wheels for non-sanctioned races. The only way to know for sure if non-legal wheels would be ok for non-sanctioned events, is for someone to contact the company that provides insurance for the races in Canada, and ask them if a mishap occured with UCI non-legal wheels, if the injuries sustained from falling on a non-legal wheel would still be covered. For some reason it seems that no one has done this, or at least made any kind of announcement about it. What one organsier of midweek week races is stating, is that you can use the wheels, but should anything happen you could be liable. The whole reason this rule stated in the first place, was because an insurance provider had concerns about certain wheels breaking then someone getting hurt from the broken pieces. I really wonder if anyone has EVER been hurt as a direct result of a non-legal wheel? I have given up on trying to figure out how I can get to use my Rolf Vector Comps for any mass start event, and will just regular 32 or 36 spoked wheels. -- Club Office: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (613) 230-1064 Web/mailing list: [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb Newsletter: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb/Newsletter -- Club Office: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (613) 230-1064 Web/mailing list: [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb Newsletter: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb/Newsletter ==^ This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aVxiDo.a2i8p1 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
RE: [obc] .... More on Cycling Fashion
and if anyone else is looking for a like bike, I have a CCM Targa (Jocelyn Lovell design) equipped with a single fixed, available at a vey reasonable $40 price -Original Message- From: Michael Slavitch [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2002 11:55 AM To: Les Humphreys (K); [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [obc] More on Cycling Fashion Which is why I searched far and wide for an old Peugeot PX-10 for my city fixed-gear/single-speed. Lots of room for fenders. The Mafac racers tell you I'm braking, and with Kool-Stop pads they actually work! Michael - Original Message - From: Les Humphreys (K) [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2002 11:38 AM Subject: RE: [obc] More on Cycling Fashion The only problem with putting mudguards on a bike with fag paper clearance is that such bikes usually come without mudguard eyes, which presents a challenge for which only the Red Greeens of the cycling world have a solution. -Original Message- From: Avery Burdett [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2002 9:54 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [obc] More on Cycling Fashion I suppose fenders would appear a little incongruous on a Colnago C40 (that is what you slum around on, isn't it?), on the other hand they might prevent a full MAPEI kit from getting soiled. Paul Smeulders ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) writes: I resemble that remark One should always fear to appear unfashionable! One should never fear, however, to be seen to use fenders. Paul I try so hard and then this... THIS!!! Smeulders - Original Message - From: Avery Burdett [EMAIL PROTECTED] Newsgroups: culist.obc To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2002 18:42 Subject: Re: [obc] Tuesday Night Tours 02/04/02 As Paul Smeulders might say, never be afraid to appear unfashionable by using fenders. -- Club Office: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (613) 230-1064 Web/mailing list: [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb Newsletter: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb/Newsletter -- Avery Burdett Ottawa, Ontario -- Club Office: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (613) 230-1064 Web/mailing list: [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb Newsletter: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb/Newsletter -- Club Office: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (613) 230-1064 Web/mailing list: [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb Newsletter: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb/Newsletter -- Club Office: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (613) 230-1064 Web/mailing list: [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb Newsletter: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb/Newsletter ==^ This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aVxiDo.a2i8p1 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
RE: [obc] .... More on Cycling Fashion
The only problem with putting mudguards on a bike with fag paper clearance is that such bikes usually come without mudguard eyes, which presents a challenge for which only the Red Greeens of the cycling world have a solution. -Original Message- From: Avery Burdett [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2002 9:54 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [obc] More on Cycling Fashion I suppose fenders would appear a little incongruous on a Colnago C40 (that is what you slum around on, isn't it?), on the other hand they might prevent a full MAPEI kit from getting soiled. Paul Smeulders ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) writes: I resemble that remark One should always fear to appear unfashionable! One should never fear, however, to be seen to use fenders. Paul I try so hard and then this... THIS!!! Smeulders - Original Message - From: Avery Burdett [EMAIL PROTECTED] Newsgroups: culist.obc To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2002 18:42 Subject: Re: [obc] Tuesday Night Tours 02/04/02 As Paul Smeulders might say, never be afraid to appear unfashionable by using fenders. -- Club Office: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (613) 230-1064 Web/mailing list: [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb Newsletter: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb/Newsletter -- Avery Burdett Ottawa, Ontario -- Club Office: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (613) 230-1064 Web/mailing list: [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb Newsletter: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb/Newsletter -- Club Office: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (613) 230-1064 Web/mailing list: [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb Newsletter: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb/Newsletter ==^ This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aVxiDo.a2i8p1 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
[obc] Beaver Valley Weekend
Come with the Freewheelers on a great weekend ride around Beaver Valley. Stay in a bunkhouse with no electricity and bring a flash light if you need to use the outhouse in the night.. We can cook on the propane stove or you can bring your camp stove. There are propane lights and if you like to be outside you can camp on the property. To some this may sound like hell but to others this is heaven and at $30 for two nights including a sagwagon it is undeniably cheap. Two nights in a Cabin or tent Two great rides with a great bunch of people. A sagwagon. This is not a difficult ride the sag is there for emergencies only All this only $30 We have twenty spots in the cabin and they will go fast. Contact Peter right away an save your spot. Bring your bike and a helmet (club rules) Bring a sleeping bag Bring a flashlight Bring inside shoes Bring food for yourself. Bring restaurant money Don t bring a generator and TV. We are having a weekend away from that stuff. Beaver Valley Cycling Weekend May 31st. 2002 Phone: 905 646 7505 Fax: 905 646 8010 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Organizer Peter Marshall 38 Nickerson Avenue St. Catharines, Ontario L2N 3M4 When Friday: May 31, arrive at cabin in the evening. Saturday: After breakfast a choice of two rides in Beaver Valley $40k or 106k Sunday: Ride to Collingwood and along the Georgian Trail 60k Where The UOT Outers Club cabin near Kolapore. All participants will be given a map to get there. Cabin on the Trail Beaver Valley Weekend Ride Open to all Niagara Freewheelers on a first come basis Les Humphreys 952-0325 -- Club Office: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (613) 230-1064 Web/mailing list: [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb Newsletter: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb/Newsletter ==^ This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aVxiDo.a2i8p1 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
RE: [obc] Why looking for new TT course, really?
That's more than two cents, Monique. Are there any volunteers with access to a road roller ? -Original Message- From: Monique Menard [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, March 25, 2002 5:07 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [obc] Why looking for new TT course, really? My 2 cents on this topic is why change a good thing when it's not needed? If the NCC adds building around the area which could create more traffic or add road signs and it makes it difficult for us to ride a proper TT, then it'll be time to look for another course.but until that happens, I say we stay put. This is the 4th TT course since I started riding 15k TT's in 87 and the reasons for changing a course has always been a factor of road changes...such as stop signs or light intersection added to the course (which didn't give us a choice) but since this is a parkway, I don't think that will ever happen there. So why even think of changing? What we maybe could do is put in a word to the NCC that it would be nice to have the road re-paved. I mean doesn't the OBC contributes money to the NCC for the use of the road for our TT's? Therefore we should have a say. Cause finding a new course is not easy, there are a lot of factors involved, having it central enough for all 4 corners of the city. You need a lot of parking space, facilities, look at the security aspect of the course and easy access by bicycle for those that don't drive. When you look at all this, this course is the best, we have a free parking lot, it's easy access by bicycle along a picturesque route, the road offers a good shoulder where riders should ride (that's another subject) and we have the museum that always welcomes us to use their facilities, what more can we ask for? I'm over my 2 cents but I'd like to add that instead of commenting on changing a course because of a few bumps on the road, why not volunteer for the event and you'll get the idea that this course is well situated for running such an event when you have 80 plus riders to look after. I for one would like to see one year where volunteers come forward instead of always having to ask. So having said that...let's kick off the season on Good Friday with the wind at our backs and plenty of volunteers :-) PS: I have to say that I have volunteered on Good Friday for well over 13 years and this year I'm moving on that weekend and I really should be finishing my packing but chances are I'll still be there. Cheers, Monique M. -- Club Office: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (613) 230-1064 Web/mailing list: [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb Newsletter: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb/Newsletter -- Club Office: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (613) 230-1064 Web/mailing list: [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb Newsletter: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb/Newsletter ==^ This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aVxiDo.a2i8p1 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
[obc] News from the Canadian Cycling Assoc website:
March 21, 2002 Memo Re: Dissolution of Air Canada Partnership Further to the financial difficulties Air Canada has been experiencing in recent years, and particularly since September, the CCA has recently informed that they will be suspending the Waiving of Excess Baggage Charges for bicycles, for CCA members, as of March 31, 2002. Officially, the partnership ended March 31, 2001, but has been continually rolling over on a monthly basis. These cutbacks are not restricted to the CCA, as all other National Sport Associations with similar agreements with Air Canada are experiencing the same cutbacks. Air Canada is in the process of re-negotiating their contracts with other National Sport Associations, where in which case it is my hope that the Waived Bicycle Fee will be put back in place for CCA members. Until then, the agreement ends March 31, 2002. All Air Canada flights taken prior to that date should honour the Waiving of the Excess Baggage charge for bicycles of CCA members. Any flights taken after March 31, 2002 will no longer benefit from the partnership. On behalf of the CCA, please accept my apologies for the eventual inconvenience this will cause. I certainly hope that Air Canada will be willing to put this agreement back in place in the near future. If you have any questions, comments or suggestions, please do not hesitate to contact me, and I appreciate your understanding of this matter. Fiona Morrow Marketing and Communications Canadian Cycling Association [EMAIL PROTECTED] Les Humphreys 952-0325 -- Club Office: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (613) 230-1064 Web/mailing list: [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb Newsletter: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb/Newsletter ==^ This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aVxiDo.a2i8p1 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
RE: [obc] Why looking for new TT course, really?
I was just floating an idea - we really are so lucky in having the use of the parkway but we are so dependent on external influences over which we have no control. Right now, its a matter of the road surface, but for the future there's always the possibility of a new museum, marina, sewage treatment plant or housing development going in, bringing with it the need for another interchange -Original Message- From: Datars Sally [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, March 22, 2002 10:47 AM To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [obc] Why looking for new TT course, really? Hi Paul, In the thread about the Parkway bike paths, Les said something about finding a new TT route, if the NCC doesn't sharpen up. I don't know what he meant by that but that's what got things going. I agree with you, let's stick with the Rockcliffe Parkway. Sally -Original Message- From: Paul Smeulders [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2002 5:56 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [obc] Why looking for new TT course, really? Did I miss something here? Has the NCC said we can't use the parkway, or was this started with Dave's posting about it being bumpy on his last (still winter) ride? I agree it gets worse and worse each year, but Dave rode the parkway just a few days ago, and it's still buckledits still cold. When the weather gets warm, the buckles become just cracks. No doubt it progressively gets worse, but I think finding a new venue is just a bit premature. Asticou, 2km loop? that will never work for a 15 km TT. Paul. -- Club Office: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (613) 230-1064 Web/mailing list: [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb Newsletter: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb/Newsletter -- Club Office: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (613) 230-1064 Web/mailing list: [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb Newsletter: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb/Newsletter -- Club Office: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (613) 230-1064 Web/mailing list: [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb Newsletter: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb/Newsletter ==^ This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aVxiDo.a2i8p1 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
RE: [obc] Digest for obc@topica.com, issue 618
We may have to find a new course if the NCC doesn't sharpen up - any ideas ? -Original Message- From: Monique Menard [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2002 9:52 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [obc] Digest for [EMAIL PROTECTED], issue 618 Subject : TT course. Actually, I think that David B. meant the Rockcliff Parkway and not the Aviation Parkway (The AP runs from the Aviation Museum to Ogilvie Rd south/north). The TT are held on the Rockcliff Parkway shortly after the Aviation Parkway overpass going east toward the intersection of Montreal Rd (Rt 174) and Bearbrook (towards Blackburn Hamlet). The Turn around is about 500 meters before the intersection. As too when we started TT on that road? We did a few in the fall of 1989 when the road was newly paved and not open to traffic yet... ah that was heaven. Then officially started the TT's on that stretch of road in 1990. I have to agree that the quality of the pavement has deteriorated over the years and I always wondered what the cost would be to just pave 3 or 4 feet on each side...that's all we need really :-) Monique M. Greg asked: When did the TT move to the _Avaiation_ Parkway? Where's the turn around, the Innes Road interchange, or do only go as far as Ogilvie? This message was brought to you by MapQuest.com :-) ..greg -- Club Office: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (613) 230-1064 Web/mailing list: [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb Newsletter: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb/Newsletter -- Club Office: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (613) 230-1064 Web/mailing list: [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb Newsletter: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb/Newsletter ==^ This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aVxiDo.a2i8p1 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
RE: [obc] (Fwd) [CfSC] Ottawa River rec pathway open house
Since when was Island Park Drive on the north side of the river - does this refer to the pathways on the Quebec side or the Ontario side ? -Original Message- From: Tom Trottier [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, March 04, 2002 12:33 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [obc] (Fwd) [CfSC] Ottawa River rec pathway open house FYI --- Forwarded message follows --- Date sent:Mon, 4 Mar 2002 10:36:55 -0500 (EST) From: Alayne McGregor [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Copies to:Alayne McGregor [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [CfSC] Ottawa River rec pathway open house Send reply to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] The National Capital Commission is holding an open house on phase 2 of improvements to the Ottawa River recreational pathways, on: Wednesday March 20 4:30 to 8:30 p.m. First Unitarian Church 30 Cleary Avenue (off Richmond Road, east of Woodroffe) There will be formal presentations at 5:00 and 7:00 p.m. followed by a question answer period. NCC staff will be available at other times for individual questions. The project consists of rehabilitating the pathways between Island Park Drive and New Orchard Road in order to: * consolidate the pathway on the north side of the Ottawa River * meet multi-use path design standards (width, universal accessibility) * take advantage of the scenic vistas along the water's edge For more info: 239- -- Alayne McGregor [EMAIL PROTECTED] / [EMAIL PROTECTED] Ah, ah, it must be a terrible burden, though, being a hero -- glory reaper, harvester of monsters! Everybody always watching you, weighing you, seeing if you're still heroic. -- John Gardner, Grendel --- End of forwarded message --- --- Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum viditur - ,__@ Tom A. Trottier +1 613 860-6633 fax:231-6115 _-\_, 758 Albert St.,Ottawa ON Canada K1R 7V8 (*)/'(*) ICQ:57647974 N45.412 W75.714 - Laws are the spider's webs which, if anything small falls into them they ensnare it, but large things break through and escape. --Solon, statesman (c.638-c558 BCE) -- To unsubscribe, send a blank message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Club Office: [EMAIL PROTECTED], (613) 230-1064 Web/mailing list: [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb Newsletter: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb/Newsletter -- To unsubscribe, send a blank message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Club Office: [EMAIL PROTECTED], (613) 230-1064 Web/mailing list: [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb Newsletter: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb/Newsletter ==^ This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aVxiDo.a2i8p1 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
RE: [obc] [CfSC] Lulling effect of safety measures
I wonder what the next layer will be - a cycling carapace perhaps, affording upper body and hip protection ? -Original Message- From: Tom Trottier [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, January 18, 2002 12:33 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; OBC List Subject: RE: [obc] [CfSC] Lulling effect of safety measures Safety and security is always a layered thing, even more so than other objectives which have different components or layers, like performance. The problem is that when adding another layer of safety via safety belts, a helmet, or safety bottle top, people tend to relax other layers, such as safe behaviour, worn tires, baby locks, etc. In part, this is because new safety layers are sold as solutions rather than additional safety layers, just to get them adopted by government. Then safety proponents are told they need less money for other layers, like education, because the solution has been found and adopted. So how do we adopt layers without overselling them? Do we point out where helmets or safety belts failed to save a life? That seems counterproductive. I think the only solution is to make safety measures mandatory, especially for role models, like the cyclists in the Tour de France! When safety measures are automatic, people are free to add more layers. Then other layers can be promoted as well, layers like behaviour or skills, which are less mandateable. Tom On Friday, January 18, 2002 at 7:16, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote re [CfSC] Lulling effect of safety measures saying: The following is an excerpt from a book called Target Risk by Gerald J.S. Wilde. The following are comments that are made with the regard to the lulling effect many so called safety features, courses etc. have in our lives. This includes such things as helmets and education. Whether or not you buy into it, it certainly is an interesting read and you have to read the whole thing. It has caused quite the debate in the road safety industry. Lynda Other victims of the lulling effect have been reported, e.g. children under the age of five. In 1972, the Food and Drug Administration in the USA ordered manufacturers of painkillers and other selected drugs to equip their bottles with child-proof lids. These are difficult to open for children (and sometimes for adults as well) and often go under the name of safety caps, a misleading name, as we will see. Their introduction was followed by a substantial increase in the per capita rate of fatal accidental poisonings in children. It was concluded that the impact of the regulation was counterproductive, leading to 3,500 additional (fatal plus non-fatal) poisonings of children under age 5 annually from analgesics.[17] These findings were explained as the result of parents becoming less careful in the handling and storing of the safer bottles. It is clear that individual actions are an important component of the accident-generating process. Failure to take such behavi! or into account will result in regulations that may not have the intended impact. Indeed, safety is in people, or else it is nowhere. If parents can be blamed for the lack of effectiveness of safety caps, does a government that passes such near-sighted safety legislation go guilt-free? Does an educational agency that instills a feeling of overconfidence in learner drivers go guilt-free? Does a traffic engineering department that gives pedestrians a false sense of safety remain blameless; or a government that requires driver education at a registered driving school before one is allowed to take the licensing test? Is it responsible to call a seatbelt a safety belt, to propagate through the media such slogans as seatbelts save lives, speed kills, to be sober is to be safe, use condoms for safe sex, or others of the same ilk? --- Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum viditur - ,__@ Tom A. Trottier +1 613 860-6633 fax:231-6115 _-\_, 758 Albert St.,Ottawa ON Canada K1R 7V8 (*)/'(*) ICQ:57647974 N45.412 W75.714 - Laws are the spider's webs which, if anything small falls into them they ensnare it, but large things break through and escape. --Solon, statesman (c.638-c558 BCE) -- To unsubscribe, send a blank message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Club Office: [EMAIL PROTECTED], (613) 230-1064 Web/mailing list: [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb Newsletter: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb/Newsletter -- To unsubscribe, send a blank message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Club Office: [EMAIL PROTECTED], (613) 230-1064 Web/mailing list: [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb Newsletter: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb/Newsletter
[obc] ABC Preliminary Calendar 2002
Attached as requested 2002CAL.XLS thanx Rosemarie ! Les Humphreys 952-0325 -- To unsubscribe, send a blank message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Club Office: [EMAIL PROTECTED], (613) 230-1064 Web/mailing list: [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb Newsletter: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb/Newsletter ==^ This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aVxiDo.a2i8p1 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^ 2002CAL.XLS Description: MS-Excel spreadsheet
[obc] Twas the Night of the Crit Mass
'Twas the night of the Crit Mass, when all through the street Happy cyclists were joyously pedaling feet; Riding on two wheels to show that they care about hopes of safe streets, world peace, and clean air. The children would watch and smile to see, These people ride bicycles exactly like me! They don't need a chauffeur, a taxi, or car, They just have fun riding from here to afar When gliding along there was barely a clatter, No insurance fees, gas, or license would matter. A virtual dream in a modern-day world, Where the hustle and bustle of traffic unfurled. When I first gazed upon them I thought it a trick, That people on bikes could travel so quick. More rapid than cars stuck in traffic they came, And they whistled and shouted and cheered once again. The moon on the smiles of bikers below Gave proof to their vision of happiness so, Social Space would be conjured and friendships appear, Where autos once jostled in streets filled with fear. Now, CYCLIST! Now, WALKER! Now BUS RIDER TOO! On, RAIL! On BIKES! On SANDAL and SHOE Come out of your homes and come out of your stalls, To the streets which are here for the use of us all! We will share with you now this magic we. know Of laughter and fun, no more life-on-the-go. There's FREEDOM inside every person on Earth, And there's happiness waiting to spring forth with mirth! But for many unsuspecting and steady a soul, Car-culture has become 3 spinning black hole. The pollution has darkened the blue sky above, Oil wars have come, and jailed the Peace Dove. The car is a jail for its driver as well, Changing farmland and woodland to cartoonish hell. Replaced with oppressive parking lot and mail, And the lackluster views of unending sprawl. What happened? you ask. I do see it now, How do I fix this? Won't you please tell me how? Go back to your families and neighbours and friends Share the word now, before the chance ends! When you take for yourself before sharing, you see, And set aside caring for community, You forsake the value of LOVE for a collar, And sell out your soul for the $ign of the dollar. But if you're looking to live in a happier way, Then just stop, Come join Us. Right now! Today! For the story's not finished, you can write the end, Unite and be heard, empower your friends! Just keep growing and caring, it's not out of style. This short season of sharing should last all the while, So the Trumpets of Victory shall ring every clay, And the spirit of community will return to stay. Ride a bike, fly a kite, take, a swim, have a hike, Flarit some flowers, hue a tree, count the stars out at night. Play some, music, learn to dance, make, a painting and find. That the key to be happy is all in your mind, Yes, 'Do Unto Others was the message they called, Love your neighbour, and nature, and our fragile blue ball. And I heard them exclaim as they biked out of sight, HAPPY CRIT MASS TO ALL AND TO ALL A GOOD NIGHT! Mark Motyka -- To unsubscribe, send a blank message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Club Office: [EMAIL PROTECTED], (613) 230-1064 Web/mailing list: [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb Newsletter: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb/Newsletter ==^ This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aVxiDo.a2i8p1 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
[obc] Fraser's Garage Sale - DEC 27th
Don't let the Xmas lunch at Ashton stand in the way of your attendence at the Fraser's Garage sale at 16 Hadley Circle from 2-4pm on Thursday Dec 27th. There will be plenty of time to get from the Ashton pub to Moody Drive, and there'll still be plenty of bargains for the taking. The luncheon starts at 12 noon. Les Humphreys 952-0325 -- To unsubscribe, send a blank message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Club Office: [EMAIL PROTECTED], (613) 230-1064 Web/mailing list: [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb Newsletter: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb/Newsletter ==^ This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aVxiDo.a2i8p1 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
RE: [obc] Perth Rd as a provincial cycling route
I don't know whether there is any connection but I have just been advised by a member of the Ontario Trail Riders Association, an equestrian organisation in Lanark county, that trails in Frontenac, Lennox and Addington counties are under the management of a private company, the Eastern Ontario Trails Alliance, whose main focus appears to be the promotion of ATV and Snowmobile use. These trails are being promoted in the US with the objective of drawing tourists. Tail users are expected to buy permits in much the same way as snowmobilers now do, and fees are enforced by privately employed trail patrollers. Permit revenues, along with Trillium grants cover trail maintenance and enforcement. Non motorised trail users are not necessarily excluded, but the writing is on the wall. I wonder if those who are protesting the opening of trails for bicycle use will be equally vociferous when the ATVs start rolling in. Could it be that there is a hidden agenda. My source has been campaigning for closer public scrutiny of trail management groups, since large sums of public money are involved, and there is the potential for non partisan users, such as equestrians, cyclists, skiers and hikers to be excluded altogether. There is a meeting in Perth Dec 12th at 5pm to solicit public input into the management of the Glen Tay - Sharbot Lake section of the Trans Canada Trail, which could go to the Eastern Ontario Trails Alliance in the absence of any public objections. For more details, contact Gayda Everett at the above address. -Original Message- From: Bob Hicks [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2001 8:44 AM To: OBC Mailing List Subject: [obc] Perth Rd as a provincial cycling route I just came across the following message on Rudy Hollywood's daily email letter. From the Frontance Gazette: by Ian Reid If last week's meeting was any indication, South Frontence council is not welcome to the idea of Perth Road being used as part of a provincial cycling route. The municipality received a form letter last month from the Ontario Cycling Association asking for comments on an initiative called the Provincial Cycling Route Network. According to the letter, the bicycle route is a vision to implement an on road cycling network across Ontario that would connect all regions, many municipalities and key points of interest. The local branch of the network would join Kingston to Perth. Several councilors around the table last week in Bedford expressed concern about the possibility of one township's main thoroughfares being used on a regular basis by two-wheeled travelers. In a memo to representatives, township clerk-administrator Gary Stefan assured council the municipality would not be held responsible for any injuries resulting from bicuclists using Perth Road. While there has been legitimate concern expressed about the potential for injury resulting from poor driving habits on either the part cyclist or the operators of automobiles, the municipality would not be liable if its roads are adequately maintained, he said. Coun. Jack Barr noted that an annual race between Kingston and Ottawa clogs Perth Road, causing traffic problems during a May weekend along a road heavily used by people traveling to lunch their boats. Yes, there's benefits, but there's a lot more negatives, he said of adding the road to the Provincial Cycling Route Network. The Ottawa-Kingston race is a disgrace every May.[the bicyclists] take over Perth Road. Barr added that the potential of having large-scale events on a regular basic would not have a positive impact on the township economically be cause visitors will likely avoid the related traffic problems. Other councilors said safety concerns top their list of reasons to say no to the proposed bike trail. Coun. Bill Lake has raised objection on a number of occasions about the annual race that already takes place on Perth Road, saying bicyclist stake up half of the road and force motorists to make unsafe passes. Someone's going to get killed along there, he said. It's just a matter of time, Not all comments about the proposed network were negative, however. Coun. David Hahn said becoming part of something like this would be an ideal way for South Frontence to attract tourists and promote healthy lifestyles. I think it's reasonable thing to do, he said of the proposal. This is, after all, a new age of tourism. With a number of question still hanging in the air, council decided to write a letter to the Ontario Cycling Association asking for more information regarding safety, financing and any work that would need to be done to Perth Road before making a final decision. Rudy Hollywood [EMAIL PROTECTED] trirudy.com Rudy Hollywood TriRudy.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] sponsors by: Madshus skis; Guru bike;
RE: [obc] Perth Rd as a provincial cycling route
The meeting has now been postponed to Wednesday, January 9th - 5:00 p.m. at the Lanark County Municipal Building in Perth ! -Original Message- From: Les Humphreys (K) Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2001 9:14 AM To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'; OBC Mailing List Cc: 'Gayda Errett' Subject: RE: [obc] Perth Rd as a provincial cycling route I don't know whether there is any connection but I have just been advised by a member of the Ontario Trail Riders Association, an equestrian organisation in Lanark county, that trails in Frontenac, Lennox and Addington counties are under the management of a private company, the Eastern Ontario Trails Alliance, whose main focus appears to be the promotion of ATV and Snowmobile use. These trails are being promoted in the US with the objective of drawing tourists. Tail users are expected to buy permits in much the same way as snowmobilers now do, and fees are enforced by privately employed trail patrollers. Permit revenues, along with Trillium grants cover trail maintenance and enforcement. Non motorised trail users are not necessarily excluded, but the writing is on the wall. I wonder if those who are protesting the opening of trails for bicycle use will be equally vociferous when the ATVs start rolling in. Could it be that there is a hidden agenda. My source has been campaigning for closer public scrutiny of trail management groups, since large sums of public money are involved, and there is the potential for non partisan users, such as equestrians, cyclists, skiers and hikers to be excluded altogether. There is a meeting in Perth Dec 12th at 5pm to solicit public input into the management of the Glen Tay - Sharbot Lake section of the Trans Canada Trail, which could go to the Eastern Ontario Trails Alliance in the absence of any public objections. For more details, contact Gayda Everett at the above address. -Original Message- From: Bob Hicks [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2001 8:44 AM To: OBC Mailing List Subject:[obc] Perth Rd as a provincial cycling route I just came across the following message on Rudy Hollywood's daily email letter. From the Frontance Gazette: by Ian Reid If last week's meeting was any indication, South Frontence council is not welcome to the idea of Perth Road being used as part of a provincial cycling route. The municipality received a form letter last month from the Ontario Cycling Association asking for comments on an initiative called the Provincial Cycling Route Network. According to the letter, the bicycle route is a vision to implement an on road cycling network across Ontario that would connect all regions, many municipalities and key points of interest. The local branch of the network would join Kingston to Perth. Several councilors around the table last week in Bedford expressed concern about the possibility of one township's main thoroughfares being used on a regular basis by two-wheeled travelers. In a memo to representatives, township clerk-administrator Gary Stefan assured council the municipality would not be held responsible for any injuries resulting from bicuclists using Perth Road. While there has been legitimate concern expressed about the potential for injury resulting from poor driving habits on either the part cyclist or the operators of automobiles, the municipality would not be liable if its roads are adequately maintained, he said. Coun. Jack Barr noted that an annual race between Kingston and Ottawa clogs Perth Road, causing traffic problems during a May weekend along a road heavily used by people traveling to lunch their boats. Yes, there's benefits, but there's a lot more negatives, he said of adding the road to the Provincial Cycling Route Network. The Ottawa-Kingston race is a disgrace every May.[the bicyclists] take over Perth Road. Barr added that the potential of having large-scale events on a regular basic would not have a positive impact on the township economically be cause visitors will likely avoid the related traffic problems. Other councilors said safety concerns top their list of reasons to say no to the proposed bike trail. Coun. Bill Lake has raised objection on a number of occasions about the annual race that already takes place on Perth Road, saying bicyclist stake up half of the road and force motorists to make unsafe passes. Someone's going to get killed along there, he said. It's just a matter of time, Not all comments about the proposed network were negative, however. Coun. David Hahn said becoming part of something
RE: [obc] Dump Trucks, Dogs, Damsels and Jaguars
I'll never forget the dog that used to come after us out training on snake Road in Hamilton. Snake road climbs quite steeply all the way up from Lake Ontario to the top of the escarpmemt in Waterdown. The dog used to come running down a driveway right on the corner of the steepest part of the hill, at a point where, although you could see him coming, there was no way you could accelerate fast enough to get out of his way. Although no one ever got bitten, this happened so often and became so tiresome that we all swore revenge. One day, my buddy managed to get his foot out of the toeclip in time to catch the beast right on the end of its nose. The dog ran back down the driveway yelping in pain. The incident didn't stop him from going after us again, but he sure kept his distance after that. -Original Message- From: Michael Lau [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2001 9:23 AM To: OBC Mailing List Information Page Subject: Re: [obc] Dump Trucks, Dogs, Damsels and Jaguars I had a similar incident with a golden retreiver about 4 km east of Russell on RR #3 on Nov 18. The nose of the dog was less than 6 inches from my right calf. The dog suddenly stopped and went back to the owner. When I cleaned my drivetrain and pulleys yesterday, I noticed a patch of golden dog hairs caught in the centre of the top pulley of my rear derraileur. Ripping hairs off the dog with your rear derraileur is probably not the safest way to stop dog attack. I would not recommend it. Michael -- To unsubscribe, send a blank message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Club Office: [EMAIL PROTECTED], (613) 230-1064 Web/mailing list: [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb Newsletter: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb/Newsletter -- To unsubscribe, send a blank message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Club Office: [EMAIL PROTECTED], (613) 230-1064 Web/mailing list: [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb Newsletter: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb/Newsletter ==^ This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aVxiDo.a2i8p1 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
RE: [obc] President's Award to Sir James
It couldn't have happened to a nicer 'Knight of the Square Wheel' - Sancho Panza would be proud if he had lived ! -Original Message- From: Avery Burdett [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2001 7:52 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [obc] President's Award to Sir James I'm pleased to announce that the winner of the President's Award for 2001 is Sir James (Wilson). The award is made in recognition of James' outstanding service to the club in organizing and leading Tuesday night rides, Montreal tours, Sunday rides, and in performing other volunteer work. Maybe not so well known to club members has been James' efforts to first save and then pump new life into the Canadian Kilometres Achievement Program (C-KAP). The latter almost died with the near demise of the Ontario Cycling Association a couple of years ago. Recent past winners of the award are Serge Boudreau and Suzan Bouchard, Bram Moerman, Greg Franks, and Don Moxley. James will be honoured on December 1st at this year's Annual Awards Banquet. Avery Burdett President -- Avery Burdett Ottawa, Ontario -- To unsubscribe, send a blank message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Club Office: [EMAIL PROTECTED], (613) 230-1064 Web/mailing list: [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb Newsletter: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb/Newsletter -- To unsubscribe, send a blank message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Club Office: [EMAIL PROTECTED], (613) 230-1064 Web/mailing list: [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb Newsletter: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb/Newsletter ==^ This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aVxiDo.a2i8p1 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
RE: [obc] OBC Infiltrates CfSC
All of the foregoing only serves to emphasise the differences in focus that exist between the commuting community and the recreational/racing fraternity. Even on what appears to be the ostensibly trivial notion of a common shared interest, the discussion has become prolonged and somewhat rancorous. Where the common interest involves cars, bikes and pedestrians sharing the same roadspace, the differences in focus become even more extreme and the discussions even more prolonged and even more contentious, if not rancorous. This was probably at the root of what drove the separation of the two groups. Those whose prime interest was out of town riding didn't want to devote their time and effort into what is perceived to be an urban issue. The club was indeed fortunate in having Bruce around, who had both the time and inclination to get involved, but the Bruce's of this world are even thinner on the ground, now that he is no longer with us. I believe there is still a role for a club member who has the knowledge, interest and time to become more involved in urban cycling issues, especially as these now extend across the whole region. I just hope that all this rancorous discussion doesn't deter the right person from coming forward when the moment is ripe. That moment is now ! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2001 3:01 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [obc] OBC Infiltrates CfSC [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Earlier in the year someone posted message on the OBC list about how he was going to help his sister out with a bike rodeo at her school and show his OBC colours. This is a wonderful thing to do except that bike rodeos don't work. The problem with this is that now the OBC looks like it is promoting ineffective cycling education. Look, I'm was pretty prepared to stop picking at this stuff, having contributed before with clarity and some humour, but now you are making some pretty strong and limiting statements, and it goes a long way toward explaining (again) why I don't think you should get broad and unlimited support from the OBC. You make some pretty firm value judgements and statements akin to there are no choices here (see below: education is an issue not a fence side). the following intentionally contains no humour at all. You are passing some pretty strong (and uninformed, since you pre-judged the course and lumped it in as a rodeo) value judgements on the effectiveness of whatever rodeo this happened to be (in your example). You are also asking us to align with your opinions on what is effective and accurate, and to support that. The world doesn't work that way. Now here is just a suggestion of how OBC members could help out -- by dissementing information to their neighbours and families about what works and what doesn't work and why only effective CAN-BIKE courses work. So wave the OBC colours, encourage the young ones to join the OBC --- all that I ask at the very least is that we have a responsibility as cyclists to pass on accurate information. Wow. Now i have a bit of a problem with your implication that we should ONLY support CAN-bike type cycling education. OBC doesn't teach CAN-bike at the Learn to race. Is that inaccurate and ineffective information? I have no doubt you would be abhorred by some of the things we teach in the light of racing and even fast touring. Once again, the goals are quite different. Are you suggesting we change that curriculum so as not to be at odds with CAN-bike? Sorry, I doubt it would meet my goal to produce a competent racer or pack rider. Another prominent member of our cycling community did put on a four-weekend course for children in the past, it wasn't CAN-bike. Was that also ineffective and inaccurate? How do you know, either way, to pass off such a judgemental statement for the fine work he and his volunteers accomplished in getting kids on their bikes? From me, you have the moral support you request for your CAN-bike initiative for children. You do not have my support (nor agreement) at all for your statement: only effective CAN-BIKE courses work. That is something I wouldn't even support morally. You do not have my support for any of your other broad statements regarding effectiveness and accuracy. Here is a great example (one) of why you cannot get the broad-brush support you seek from this OBC member, and why I suggest the OBC should not be too forthcoming with any such unrestricted support. I can support some specific projects and statements, with some scope and limitations, not generalizations and black-and-white stances such as the ones that seems to pervade your requests for support. We are slowly exposing the lobby/political group versus activity-group aspects of our
RE: [obc] Group Rides
The very fact that there are listed speeds for the various rides does tend to encourage some to aspire to a faster pace than is comfortable for others in the group. A good leader will try to moderate the pace or leave the renegades to forge ahead on their own. The best organised groups have two leaders, one at the front, to lead the way, the other a 'tail end charlie' to ensure no one gets dropped. Regrettably, as with all organisations reliant on volunteers, there can never be enough of the latter, and OBC is no exception. We are fortunate indeed that we have two volunteers vying for the presidency. The incident that triggered this whole discussion was, I suspect, the article in the Citizen by Trent Edwards, in which he slammed the club for riding in excess of the listed average speed, resulting in his being dropped. I believe that he joined the ride as a $3 non-member. This situation could have been avoided if there had been a 'tail end charlie' in that group. Another approach would be to give everyone a map, let individuals make their own way and povide a sag waggon to pick up stragglers. Even this doesn't always work, as some riders learned to their cost on the 2000 Rideau Lakes Ride. It can even happen to experienced club riders - ask Sir James how he enjoyed dinner on Day 3 of this year's Kennebunkport Ride. Hopefully the enthusiasm we now see in the election process will carry through into 2002. It will indeed be a bonus if for every vacant volunteer position, we could find two candidates waiting at the door ! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2001 8:54 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [obc] Group Rides My experience riding is with the touring 1 and with the James' Tuesday night group. These areusually the same groups with the same leaders week after week, so they would know that I have a bit of trouble on the climbs. When the group would to go at a pace between 23 and 26km/hr, I would catch up within a km or two. But, when the touring 1 group goes at a pace between 27 and 29 km/hr,catching up after a climb becomes almost impossible. I'm able to ride at this pace, according to the Tuesday night rides, but only to the next uphill. Asa result, the Sunday rides turn out to be solo rides. Unfortunately, you can't legislate 'group' riding practices. Nobody can make a tourleader wait for slower climbers or keep the group within posted range for a givenspeed category or allow riders in the group to warm up at the start of a ride (i.e. go at a more casual pace for that first 15 km). Cheers, John Twemlow -- To unsubscribe, send a blank message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Club Office: [EMAIL PROTECTED], (613) 230-1064 Web/mailing list: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb Newsletter: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb/Newsletter --part1_fe.e021e3d.29076b2f_boundary-- -- To unsubscribe, send a blank message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Club Office: [EMAIL PROTECTED], (613) 230-1064 Web/mailing list: [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb Newsletter: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb/Newsletter ==^ EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aVxiDo.a2i8p1 Or send an email To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] This email was sent to: archive@jab.org T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
[obc] Almonte Bicycle Club Dinner - Friday, April 26th 6:30 pm - Almonte Legio
Almonte Bicycle Club Dinner and awards Presentation takes place at the Almonte Legion on Friday October 26th at 6:30 for a 7pm Turkey Dinner. Join your friends for drinks and a convivial evening in a relaxed atmosphere. Tickets are $15 - available from Les Humphreys (256-2498). Deadline for bookings is Monday, October 22nd. Les Humphreys 952-0325 -- To unsubscribe, send a blank message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Club Office: [EMAIL PROTECTED], (613) 230-1064 Web/mailing list: [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb Newsletter: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb/Newsletter ==^ EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aVxiDo.a2i8p1 Or send an email To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] This email was sent to: archive@jab.org T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
RE: [obc] TT Handicapping Method
Such a program would certainly add dimension to the TT competition, however, it would also add extra workload for someone - do we have enough volunteers to handle it ? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2001 3:11 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [obc] TT Handicapping Method Hi Bob - I'm pretty much out of patience and time for this - Here's my last attempt - Please give me a phone call if I can clarify anything else. It's much more efficient than email... The facts: 1. Open time trial - men and women. 2. Age-Handicap event. 3. Men in the event are handicapped towards a DIFFERENT standard than the women (since men at their prime are faster than women (of the same fitness/training level) at their prime) with the men getting an UNSURMOUNTABLE advantage for the top in the OVERALL standings. 4. The math dictates that such a handicapping method will almost certainly move most women downwards in the overall rankings from where they'd otherwise be. What was Offensive: 1. Rather than trying to fix the unsurmountable gender advantage (which is SIMPLE to do), the organizer breaks the handicap into two events. 2. The main event (naturally defined as the one with the most participants) is the male event (4 times as many participants).. 3. There can be NO open event (with the official rules) - or at least no FAIR open event, since the women have essentially been handicapped out of the action. (In fact I was told to not even show the results on the same page...). 4. Women are relegated to a second (smaller) event. THIS is offensive to me (and some others) . As a participant in the open tt series for 15 years - I don't come out to this event to just compare my results to the women - Gee, sometimes I have been the only woman out there...). I didn't come last year to the age/handicap event because I found the format (and even more so the reaction to my pointing out the problem with it) objectionable. I only came this year because I'd been away for the whole season and I wanted to get in one of the few remaining TT's. I certainly was NOT there for the official handicap event... Please look at and consider the numbers (handicaps, results, the number of women who did or did not show up, proportion of women participating, etc.). I'm sure that you'll agree that we can make this a better event which draws women in as full participants. And why not? Is my conservative suggesion offensive to others? Again, as I said in my response to Aaron's notes: 1. I offer to produce age/gender handicap pages for each TT (if we can find some statistically sound age/gender performance tables). This would be easy for me to do and I think that many participants would like to see such pages. 2. The age/gender trophies could then perhaps be given to the best male and female age/gender result for the whole year. 3. We could also devise a personal-handicapping method - and perhaps have a special personal-handicap night. (This could of course, also be done every week in the background, but, since we ought to have some recent historical data, and since the event could be presented as something different and special, it might be better to just do it once late in the TT series). Celia Bob Hicks wrote: I really am having trouble understanding the offense to women with the current handicapping system. As far as I can understand, there are 2 distinct sets of results and neither is given precedence. Men are handicapped by age against other men, and women are handicapped by age against other women. What, pray tell, is the main event? I'm not aware that there is one. There is no pretense that this is an individual handicap; it has been presented as a way of determining the best time trialists in the club, with consideration for age. End of history (for now). If the results are consistently skewed in favour of older riders with the current handicapping algorithm, then the algorithm should be reviewed and perhaps revised. It is true that an individual handicapping system could easily be established and that this kind of event would be quite fun. But it is certainly not the only fair handicapping method. Indeed, it could be argued that it would be grossly unfair to the riders who are the most serious and dedicated time trialists, since they would be the least likely to improve their handicap time. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 1:12 AM Subject: Re: [obc] TT Handicapping Method Aaron Fillion As a person who got no Handicap, I thought this years handicapping method was completely fair. Perhaps you'd think differently if you were a woman who got no handicap in the official event? Or perhaps you'd be a little offended if
RE: [obc] TT Handicapping Method
Not the AGM - we'll never get our beer if we start talking about that - better refer the matter to a handicapping committee, which is the way it was always handled by my alma mater cycling club, the Finsbury Park (www.finsburyparkcc.org). All this, of course is contingent on there being enough interested parties to form such a committtee. -Original Message- From: Aaron Fillion [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 1:27 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [obc] TT Handicapping Method Perhaps you'd think differently if you were a woman who got no handicap in the official event? No, I would not. In fact, as a woman I think would have had a better chance at winning the handicap event. As a woman, I would have only needed to do a time of 21:55 to win. As a man I needed a time of 19:16 to win. Granted, that if I were a woman, I would have a body that is physiologically not capable as producing that same amount of power as a man's body. However, if I were to apply the same amount of training and intensity to that body as I do my own, I would be very surprised if I did not go any faster 21:55. Or perhaps you'd be a little offended if you were told that sorry, you're not even a participant in the main event, but just to be ranked amongst the other women??? There was an award for both the man's and woman's category, so I would not be offended. Now, if I were a woman and had the fastest handicapped time amongst women and got nothing because I had to compete against the men, I would be a little offended. Hmmm - The current official age-handicapping event actually suffers from this type of problem, whereas a personal handicapping system CAN certainly be devised to avoid it! The current official handicapping event gives an unfair advantage to the faster riders in each year of birth - ie., giving all 64 year old males a 165 second advantage regardless of their speed will benefit the faster 64 year old more than the slower 64 year old (ie., the faster rider will travel farther in 165 seconds than will the slower rider) and since we're comparing the performance of both of those 64 year olds with people of OTHER ages, we probably shouldn't be giving one more of an advantage than the other relative to the other age categories... With the current handicapping, it does give the advantage to older fast riders. But, personally, I think older faster riders should be given some type of recognition for being fast. It depends on what you want to accomplish with the handicap event. Do you want give people an advantage for having an older body that should not be able to go as fast. Or do you simply want to make everyone equal going into the event? If everyone is made equal, then the person that wins is the person who improves upon their time the most. I do not think that a improvement event is the way to go, however the club could have a separate award for the most improved male and female cyclist for the year. The only way I can see Personal Handicapping as being fair is to base the improvement required to win on power. Say the person the largest power increase would win. That I guess would be fair, but still it would just be an improvement event. But for a person with a 30-minute baseline would have to reduce their time, much more than a person with a 20-minute baseline time to equal the same amount of power increase. Maybe the club should just have 2 events, one event based on the current system and another based on a Personal Handicap system. The entire handicap system could be an excellent item to bring up at the AGM. Maybe there could even be a vote or something like that on which handicap system most people wish to use. However, it will not be myself bringing the topic up, as I am happy with the current system. -- To unsubscribe, send a blank message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Club Office: [EMAIL PROTECTED], (613) 230-1064 Web/mailing list: [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb Newsletter: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb/Newsletter -- To unsubscribe, send a blank message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Club Office: [EMAIL PROTECTED], (613) 230-1064 Web/mailing list: [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb Newsletter: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb/Newsletter ==^ EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aVxiDo.a2i8p1 Or send an email To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] This email was sent to: archive@jab.org T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
RE: [obc] 40 km Time Trial - Sept 9th - 7:45 for 8:00 am at Union Hall
Starters listed below (not necessarily in starting order). Bob Chlebek Ken McGillivray Eric Wright Leona Gray Geoff Wright Larry Leduc Cathy Bakker Shawn Clarke Dave Barnett Janet Capling Mary Ajersch Erica Revez Robert Gustavsson Tim Aubin Greg Crevier Bill Mclennan Les Humphreys Hrman Kerckhoff Michael Caldwell Colin Campbell Richard Hinz Aaron Filion Have I missed anyone ? -Original Message- From: Les Humphreys (K) Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2001 1:52 PM To: 'OBC List' Subject: RE: 40 km Time Trial - Sept 9th - 7:45 for 8:00 am at Union Hall Last call for the 40 km - last opportunity to better Paul Datars' 55 minute ride of August 19 to secure your spot in the 2001 BAR. (best 15 + best 40). I can be reached at 952-0325 at work, or at 256-2498 at home. Course is 12 km out from Union Hall to Middleville where, U-turn and retrace to Union Hall where right on Tatlock Rd and 8 km out to hwy 7, where U-turn and back to finish at Union Hall. First rider off at 8:16. To get there : Take 417 west to March Rd (CR49, formerly hwy44), go west 15 k to Almonte. On reaching Almonte go straight on through lights at the shopping plaza, Martin St and hwy 29 (formerly 15) and a further 8km west on Wolf Grove Rd (CR 16). Union Hall is at the intersection of Tatlock Rd (CR9) and Wolf Grove Rd (CR16). Please respond before saturday if you intend to ride I can be reached at 952-0325 at work, or at 256-2498 at home. -- To unsubscribe, send a blank message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Club Office: [EMAIL PROTECTED], (613) 230-1064 Web/mailing list: [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb Newsletter: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb/Newsletter ==^ EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aVxiDo.a2i8p1 Or send an email To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] This email was sent to: archive@jab.org T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
RE: [obc] 40 km Time Trial - Sept 9th - 7:45 for 8:00 am at Union Hall
Correction Starters listed below (not necessarily in starting order). Cathy Bakker Ken McGillivray Bob Chlebek Geoff Wright Leona Gray Larry Leduc Eric Wright Shawn Clarke Dave Barnett Andrea McKay Janet Capling Mary Ajersch Robert Gustavsson Alison McKay Erica Revez Tim Aubin Bill Mclennan Les Humphreys Herman Kerckhoff Greg Crevier Michael Caldwell Colin Campbell Richard Hinz Aaron Filion Have I missed anyone ? -Original Message- From: Les Humphreys (K) Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2001 1:52 PM To: 'OBC List' Subject:RE: 40 km Time Trial - Sept 9th - 7:45 for 8:00 am at Union Hall Last call for the 40 km - last opportunity to better Paul Datars' 55 minute ride of August 19 to secure your spot in the 2001 BAR. (best 15 + best 40). I can be reached at 952-0325 at work, or at 256-2498 at home. Course is 12 km out from Union Hall to Middleville where, U-turn and retrace to Union Hall where right on Tatlock Rd and 8 km out to hwy 7, where U-turn and back to finish at Union Hall. First rider off at 8:16. To get there : Take 417 west to March Rd (CR49, formerly hwy44), go west 15 k to Almonte. On reaching Almonte go straight on through lights at the shopping plaza, Martin St and hwy 29 (formerly 15) and a further 8km west on Wolf Grove Rd (CR 16). Union Hall is at the intersection of Tatlock Rd (CR9) and Wolf Grove Rd (CR16). Please respond before saturday if you intend to ride I can be reached at 952-0325 at work, or at 256-2498 at home. -- To unsubscribe, send a blank message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Club Office: [EMAIL PROTECTED], (613) 230-1064 Web/mailing list: [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb Newsletter: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb/Newsletter -- To unsubscribe, send a blank message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Club Office: [EMAIL PROTECTED], (613) 230-1064 Web/mailing list: [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb Newsletter: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb/Newsletter ==^ EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aVxiDo.a2i8p1 Or send an email To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] This email was sent to: archive@jab.org T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
RE: [obc] results, handicapping?
While the notion of age handicapping may be appropriate to level the
playing field for older competitors, it will always favour riders who have
always been fast, no matter what their age.
An alternative approach would be to compute a handicap based on a
rider's ability compared with a known standard ('scratch time'), such as the
current club champion, and allocate a handicap based on the difference
between a riders average time and the scratch time.
Under the latter approach, the person with the best improvement
would be the winner of the handicap competition. This method discriminates
against nobody except possibly those who do not have enough performances on
record to yield a reliable average. (Such individuals would be accorded zero
handicap).
'Average' may not necessarily be the best measure - median could
also be used, or some combination.
-Original Message-
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Subject: [obc] results, handicapping?
Hi all:
Well, I finally got my laptop hooked back up to my home network after
arriving home - so the tt results from Aug 9 (found in my huge stash of
snail mail), Aug 30 and Sep 6 are now posted and accessible from the
obcweb. I actually put a few different displays of yesterdays results up
there. Please comment and discuss. It's our club!
Some Backgound on the handicapping disussions (or not...):
Last year when the age-handicapping event was introduced, I immediately
expressed my view to Avery that the method of handicapping would tend to
move women downwards in the overall open rankings since it handicapped
the men and women towards different means (Men at their prime are faster
than women (of the same training/fitness level) at their prime)).
Discussion was not possible. I expressed the view again this year to a
few more of the powers that be and the reactions ranged from unpleasant
to disinterest. I was basically told to not show the men's and women's
rankings on the same page. (I had neither the time to break down the
resistance nor the time (or desire) to comply with the programming
request).
The best female time of 21:06 by Meshy Holt (a professional rider from
New Zealand), is 2:23 slower than Ray Duggan's 18:43 (which is said to
not even be the fastest men's time!). A simple solution would be to
remove 143 seconds from all of the women's times. This doesn't in any
way upset the rankings within the genders - it just draws the women into
the event as full participants with the same opportunity as men to hit
any position (from top to bottom) in the overall rankings. After all it
is a handicap event in the OPEN time trial series. To see the results of
this method, go to
http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb/Racing/TimeTrials/Results/tt/2001/sep06agh.h
tml
.
I don't think that the current age-handicapping scheme was intended to
disadvantage women or to keep women in their place - but it does, and
hence I have provided a constructive suggestion.
Do others have any views on this? It's our club! Please discuss. In my
view it's all a matter of healthy fun with motivation and competition
for all. (Actually I am really partial towards completely personal
handicapping methods - and that should be up for discussion too!).
Celia
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RE: [obc] Lowell Green on CFRA
It used to be in some municipalities that bicycles of a wheelsize less than 20 were allowed to use the sidewalk, this to allow kids under a certain age to expose themselves to the dangers of the road. I have always thought this to be a good safety practice, to prevent riders who are too young to know right from left from getting mixed up with traffic. It's really too bad that this measure is not promoted. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2001 9:19 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [obc] Lowell Green on CFRA There are many competent cyclist out there who may or may not belong to the many great cycling clubs and organizations this whole region has to offer. In saying that I noticed out of between 15 to 20 child cylist I saw riding home on their bikes, only one rode appropriately. The others rode on the sidewalk, did not look, turned left from the right side of the road, rode up the wrong side of the street. There are apporximately 100,000 school age child cyclist in this city. That would mean they outnumber OBC riders 100:1. Mom on a Bike Paul Lindsay wrote: Re: [obc] Lowell Green on CFRAThing is, a lot of cyclists are jerks. How many cyclists out there are actually following the rules of the road and behaving decently? Not many. We're used to riding with our OBC friends and on club rides and loops in the Gats when for the most part most cyclists are either incompetant commuters or bike path and sidewalk noodlers that are two eggs short of a dozen. Just a day or two ago I wrote an e-mail to one of the editors of the car magazine Wheels for tarring all cyclists with scorn and innuendo similar to the reported Lowell Green incident. This guy referred to all riders as suicyclists and was angry that we all bitch and complain about car drivers but don't follow the rules of the road ourselves. Such media people are dangerous. On the other hand, I think Michael's comments sound a bit 'elitist'. I think there are many commuters, bike path riders, and general tourist cyclists, equally competent and law-abiding as those of the OBC. And there are numerous times I have seen club members running lights and stop signs (somtimes wearing their OBC jersey). Paul L. -- To unsubscribe, send a blank message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Club Office: [EMAIL PROTECTED], (613) 230-1064 Web/mailing list: [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb Newsletter: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb/Newsletter -- To unsubscribe, send a blank message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Club Office: [EMAIL PROTECTED], (613) 230-1064 Web/mailing list: [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb Newsletter: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb/Newsletter -- To unsubscribe, send a blank message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Club Office: [EMAIL PROTECTED], (613) 230-1064 Web/mailing list: [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb Newsletter: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb/Newsletter ==^ EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aVxiDo.a2i8p1 Or send an email To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] This email was sent to: archive@jab.org T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
RE: [obc] 40 km Time Trial - Sept 9th - 7:45 for 8:00 am at Union Hall
Last call for the 40 km - last opportunity to better Paul Datars' 55 minute ride of August 19 to secure your spot in the 2001 BAR. (best 15 + best 40). I can be reached at 952-0325 at work, or at 256-2498 at home. Course is 12 km out from Union Hall to Middleville where, U-turn and retrace to Union Hall where right on Tatlock Rd and 8 km out to hwy 7, where U-turn and back to finish at Union Hall. First rider off at 8:16. To get there : Take 417 west to March Rd (CR49, formerly hwy44), go west 15 k to Almonte. On reaching Almonte go straight on through lights at the shopping plaza, Martin St and hwy 29 (formerly 15) and a further 8km west on Wolf Grove Rd (CR 16). Union Hall is at the intersection of Tatlock Rd (CR9) and Wolf Grove Rd (CR16). Please respond before saturday if you intend to ride I can be reached at 952-0325 at work, or at 256-2498 at home. -- To unsubscribe, send a blank message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Club Office: [EMAIL PROTECTED], (613) 230-1064 Web/mailing list: [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb Newsletter: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb/Newsletter ==^ EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aVxiDo.a2i8p1 Or send an email To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] This email was sent to: archive@jab.org T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
[obc] Correction: ABC40/80 - Sunday Aug 19th @ 7:45 for 8am @ Union Hall
Of coursethe date should have read Sunday Aug 19th - thanx to all who brought that senior moment to my attention. -Original Message- From: Les Humphreys (K) Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2001 12:33 PM To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Subject: ABC40/80 - Sunday Aug 23rd @ 7:45 for 8am @ Union Hall Here's the opportunity for time triallers to test their mettle at the 80 k distance, on ABC's challenging 40k course and then some. Advance registration to Les Humphreys by phone (952-0325, office, 256-2498, home) desirable. No charge for OBC members but $5 to non-members or $20 the series. (The last 40 is in September). Course is 12 km out to Middleville and 4 km on to Hopetown where right on hwy 511 for 15.5 k (4km beyond Marble Bluff ), U-turn and retrace to Hopetown, back on 16 thru Middleville to Union Hall where right and 8 km out to hwy 7 and back on 9. First rider off at 8:15. For those who only want to ride 40 km, the regular 40 k route will apply. To get there : Take 417 west to March Rd (CR49, formerly hwy44), go west 15 k to Almonte. On reaching Almonte go straight on through lights at the shopping plaza, Martin St and hwy 29 (formerly 15) and a further 8km west on Wolf Grove Rd (CR 16). Union Hall is at the intersection of Tatlock Rd (CR9) and Wolf Grove Rd (CR16). Please respond before August 13 if you intend to ride. -- To unsubscribe, send a blank message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Club Office: [EMAIL PROTECTED], (613) 230-1064 Web/mailing list: [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb Newsletter: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb/Newsletter ==^ EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aVxiDo.a2i8p1 Or send an email To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] This email was sent to: archive@jab.org T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
[obc] ABC40/80 - Sunday Aug 23rd @ 7:45 for 8am @ Union Hall
Here's the opportunity for time triallers to test their mettle at the 80 k distance, on ABC's challenging 40k course and then some. Advance registration to Les Humphreys by phone (952-0325, office, 256-2498, home) desirable. No charge for OBC members but $5 to non-members or $20 the series. (The last 40 is in September). Course is 12 km out to Middleville and 4 km on to Hopetown where right on hwy 511 for 15.5 k (4km beyond Marble Bluff ), U-turn and retrace to Hopetown, back on 16 thru Middleville to Union Hall where right and 8 km out to hwy 7 and back on 9. First rider off at 8:15. For those who only want to ride 40 km, the regular 40 k route will apply. To get there : Take 417 west to March Rd (CR49, formerly hwy44), go west 15 k to Almonte. On reaching Almonte go straight on through lights at the shopping plaza, Martin St and hwy 29 (formerly 15) and a further 8km west on Wolf Grove Rd (CR 16). Union Hall is at the intersection of Tatlock Rd (CR9) and Wolf Grove Rd (CR16). Please respond before August 13 if you intend to ride. -- To unsubscribe, send a blank message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Club Office: [EMAIL PROTECTED], (613) 230-1064 Web/mailing list: [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb Newsletter: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb/Newsletter ==^ EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aVxiDo.a2i8p1 Or send an email To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] This email was sent to: archive@jab.org T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
[obc] Anyone riding back from Vermont ?
I'm thinking of riding back from Vermont on Monday, Aug 6th - anyone else interested ? The aim would be to reach Cornwall by 6pm at the latest. -- To unsubscribe, send a blank message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Club Office: [EMAIL PROTECTED], (613) 230-1064 Web/mailing list: [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb Newsletter: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb/Newsletter ==^ EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aVxiDo.a2i8p1 Or send an email To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] This email was sent to: archive@jab.org T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
RE: [obc] ABC40 - Sunday July 8 @ 7:45 for 8am @ Union Hall
Of course, the last sentence should read First rider off at 8:15, not 6:15 as originally stated. -Original Message- From: Les Humphreys (K) [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2001 2:54 PM To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Cc: '__Ron Elmer' Subject: RE: [obc] ABC40 - Sunday July 8 @ 7:45 for 8am @ Union Hall Don't be too tired to get out to Almonte for one of ABC's sunday morning time trials - just think, you've got the whole day to relax after you've burned yourselves out on Wolf Grove Road. Here's the opportunity for early risers to catch a float morning on the ABC 40k course. Advance registration to Les Humphreys by phone (952-0325, office, 256-2498, home) desirable. No charge for OBC members but $5 to non-members or $20 the series. Only two more to go after this (and one of them's an 80) . Take 417 west to March Rd (CR49, formerly hwy44), go west 15 k to Almonte. On reaching Almonte go straight on through lights at the shopping plaza, Martin St and hwy 29 (formerly 15) and a further 8km west on Wolf Grove Rd (CR 16). Union Hall is at the intersection of Tatlock Rd (CR9) and Wolf Grove Rd (CR16). Course is 12 km out to Middleville and back on 16, and 8 km out to hwy 7 and back on 9. First rider off at 6:15, so pre-registration desirable. -- To unsubscribe, send a blank message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Club Office: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web/mailing list: [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb Newsletter: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb/Newsletter -- To unsubscribe, send a blank message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Club Office: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web/mailing list: [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb Newsletter: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb/Newsletter -- To unsubscribe, send a blank message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Club Office: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web/mailing list: [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb Newsletter: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb/Newsletter ==^ EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aVxiDo.a2i8p1 Or send an email To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] This email was sent to: archive@jab.org T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
RE: [obc] Women's Frames
Annette - this may answer your question ... Longer cranks reach closer to the ground making it easier for people with small feet to put their toes on the ground without having to compromise seat height. With shorter cranks a person with small feet would either have to put up with a lower than optimum seat height (109% of inseam) or be obliged to get off the seat and onto the crossbar when stopped. -Original Message- From: Annette Bradfield [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Sunday, June 24, 2001 7:33 AM To: 0 Subject: Re: [obc] Women's Frames On Jun 23, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does anyone ride a Terry or Cannondale women's frame and how do you find the ride? I have a Miele that is the same style as Terry (small front wheel). My new bike is a Mariposa with a small frame and 26 inch (650) wheels. Marinoni also makes this size - and you don't have to carry 2 different tubes. I am 5'2, and both bikes are very comfortable - I would recommend either frame. It's great that it is becoming easier to find bikes that fit women, but does anyone know why they still put standard-sized crank arms on small bikes? I had them put smaller cranks (TA) on both bikes, but quite a few other adjustments needed to be made in order to change them. Annette Bradfield -- To unsubscribe, send a blank message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Club Office: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web/mailing list: [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb Newsletter: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb/Newsletter -- To unsubscribe, send a blank message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Club Office: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web/mailing list: [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb Newsletter: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb/Newsletter ==^ EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aVxiDo.a2i8p1 Or send an email To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] This email was sent to: archive@jab.org T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
[obc] ABC40 - Tuesday June 19 @ 5:45 for 6pm @ Union Hall
Too tired to get out to Almonte for one of ABC's sunday morning time trials ? Here's the opportunity for late risers to catch a float night on the ABC 40k course. Advance registration to Les Humphreys by phone (952-0325, office, 256-2498, home) desirable. No charge for OBC members but $5 to non-members or $20 the series. Take 417 west to March Rd (CR49, formerly hwy44), go west 15 k to Almonte. On reaching Almonte go straight on through lights at the shopping plaza, Martin St and hwy 29 (formerly 15) and a further 8km west on Wolf Grove Rd (CR 16). Union Hall is at the intersection of Tatlock Rd (CR9) and Wolf Grove Rd (CR16). Course is 12 km out to Middleville and back on 16, and 8 km out to hwy 7 and back on 9. First rider off at 6:15, so pre-registration desirable. -- To unsubscribe, send a blank message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Club Office: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web/mailing list: [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb Newsletter: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb/Newsletter ==^ EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aVxiDo.a2i8p1 Or send an email To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] This email was sent to: archive@jab.org T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
RE: [obc] Paving highway shoulders
Having just returned from a trip to the UK where the rumble strp is continuous along the sides of major highways, I would be the last to endorse the use of rumble strips along sections of highway shared with cyclists. The 'shoulder' on british highways is sometimes less than a foot in width, and given all the automotive detritus that accumulates in it, there is no way of avoiding contact with the rumble strip. Under these circumstances, cycling along these shoulders is comparable with riding along an unimproved railbed. Anyone who has taken the trip from Stiisvile to Carleton Place will know what that's like. As regards the transverse rumble strips found in Ontario (such as on highway 89 at Airport Road), I must say that I find them extremely hazardous, especially on a downhill section of highway with a stop sign at the bottom, as it is on Airport Road at Mulmur (south of Barrie). There is nothing worse than fighting to maintain balance with a juddering front wheel and trying to brake at the same time. Encountering a rumble strip on a strange piece of road in the dark can be equally unnerving, even if there is no downhill involved. -Original Message- From: Randy Legault [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, June 15, 2001 12:40 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [obc] Paving highway shoulders On June 14, 2001 09:46 pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Personally, I don't have any concerns so far with rumble strips. I think they do help to keep drivers awake on rural freeways. Hi, Thanks for sharing your letter with the subscribers to the Citizens for Safe Cycling and Ottawa Bicycle Club e-mail lists. I feel compelled to comment that I would have serious reservations if there were to be an expansion of the use of rumble strips particularlyif it is done without regard for the impact on cyclists. As it now stands, I find that paved shoulder widths are minimal. Reducing space for cyclists by installing rumble strips could present an inconvenience at least and a safety hazard at worst. This has been a matter of intense conflict between transport planners/engineers in several US states of late. You may want to check the following link to notes from a recent meeting of the Human Powered Transportation Committee of the American Society of Civil Engineers that touches on some of the issues in play. http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/kbarrett/curr_upd.htm I don't want to be alarmist. Rumble strips have their place. There is no conflict on major highways where bicycles are excluded. They could also be used to good effect where run-off accidents suggest that there are problems. I would contend that they should not be a general feature of highway design and that where they are used due attention must be paid to minimize negative impacts for cyclists. Thanks for the opportunity to participate in this discussion. Randy Legault Ottawa -- To unsubscribe, send a blank message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Club Office: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web/mailing list: [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb Newsletter: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb/Newsletter -- To unsubscribe, send a blank message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Club Office: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web/mailing list: [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb Newsletter: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb/Newsletter ==^ EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aVxiDo.a2i8p1 Or send an email To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] This email was sent to: archive@jab.org T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
RE: [obc] Smog daze
While I agree in principle with all of the aforementioned concepts, as an out of towner, I find that the proliferation of suburbia is making trips to Ottawa less and less desirable, except as a business imperative. Driving part way and riding the rest could help alleviate downtown smog but right now, all day parking facilities in the suburbs are very limited. Ottawa's attitude to parking doesn't help - there is no parking close to the bikeway where, the parking police won't ticket you if you leave a car for more than three hours. The park and ride at Kanata is now so full that I'm sure OC Transpo will start charging for it soon, so even that will not be an option for out of town cycle commuters. Although bike paths are not the safest place to be on weekends when everyone is out there, they are a great way for commuters to avoid traffic fumes and for the past 18 years they have afforded me a fume free corridor, which is greatly appreciated. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2001 9:44 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [obc] Smog daze Dear Mayor Chiarelli Councillor Arnold, We are having another smog alert. Smog not only makes people sick, it can kill them. In large part, the smog is due to all the internal combustion engines spewing their pollutants into the atmosphere. Please promote cycling and public transit to reduce the smog. How about bike racks on more long OCtranspo routes? How about more bike racks, near the attendants, as part of every parking lot? How about lockers showering facilities mandatory at every big workplace? How about more bike racks at OC transpo stations when the current ones are already full? How about more bike racks in the Market, and less parking spaces? How about spending money promoting cycling rather than studying ring roads? Then we can avoid: DURING THE EPISODE INDIVIDUALS MAY EXPERIENCE EYE IRRITATION. HEAVY OUTDOOR EXERCISE MAY CAUSE RESPIRATORY SYMPTOMS SUCH AS COUGHING OR SHORTNESS OF BREATH. PEOPLE WITH HEART OR LUNG DISEASE INCLUDING ASTHMA MAY EXPERIENCE A WORSENING OF THEIR CONDITION. Unless we address this, we may all be wearing gas masks - or pushing daisies up. Thanks, Tom Trottier --- http://members.home.net/tomatrottier [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ:57647974 +1 613 291-1168 fax:+1 613 594-5412 415-400 Slater St. Ottawa ON Canada K1R 7S7 ,__o Much Madness is divinest Sense _-\_, To a discerning Eye (*)/'(*) Much Sense--the starkest Madness. -Emily Dickinson, poet (1830-1886) -- To unsubscribe, send a blank message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Club Office: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web/mailing list: [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb Newsletter: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb/Newsletter -- To unsubscribe, send a blank message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Club Office: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web/mailing list: [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb Newsletter: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb/Newsletter ==^ EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aVxiDo.a2i8p1 Or send an email To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] This email was sent to: archive@jab.org T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
RE: [obc] RLCT Experiance 2001
Too much sag, perhaps.. hm ! -Original Message- From: Paul Smeulders [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2001 9:10 PM To: OBC List Subject: Fw: [obc] RLCT Experiance 2001 Excuse if double post. Some flakiness on my end. -Original Message- From: Paul Smeulders [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: OBC Mailing List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tuesday, June 12, 2001 9:07 PM Subject: Re: [obc] RLCT Experiance 2001 Okay, I for one will admit to never having known that sag was an acronym as described by Greg. I just thought is was a cruel term applied to some characteristic of me, or more cruelly, my body parts, when I am in need of such a wagon... Paul -Original Message- From: Greg Goodwin [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: OBC Mailing List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tuesday, June 12, 2001 8:18 PM Subject: Re: [obc] RLCT Experiance 2001 Peter, A suggestion: Please refrain from having a personal Support and Gear (SAG) vehicle accompany you on the route. The extra traffic causes congestion and can create more stress for the other riders -- To unsubscribe, send a blank message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Club Office: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web/mailing list: [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb Newsletter: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb/Newsletter -- To unsubscribe, send a blank message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Club Office: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web/mailing list: [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb Newsletter: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb/Newsletter ==^ EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aVxiDo.a2i8p1 Or send an email To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] This email was sent to: archive@jab.org T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
RE: [obc] Gatineau Parkway
Self destruct ? -Original Message- From: Simpson, Bob [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2001 2:45 PM To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Subject: RE: [obc] Gatineau Parkway So what happens when you get only most of the way across the bridge, but can't ride on the road?? Or are you referring to the part where you have to walk over the stone chips? Bob Simpson -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2001 2:10 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Subject: Re: [obc] Gatineau Parkway You can cycle most of the way across Champlain bridge on the east sidewalk. At the north end there is about 30 m of stone chips to walk over. Cycling north on the roadway is not allowed. I don't know about going south on the road - but then who would want to? Peter Scott -- To unsubscribe, send a blank message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Club Office: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web/mailing list: [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb Newsletter: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb/Newsletter -- To unsubscribe, send a blank message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Club Office: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web/mailing list: [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb Newsletter: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb/Newsletter ==^ EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aVxiDo.aVHtMM Or send an email To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Learn More. Surf Less. Newsletters, Tips and Discussions on Topics You Choose. http://www.topica.com/partner/tag01 ==^
RE: [obc] Metal life expectancy
Nothing that a new motor wouldn't cure ! Don't forget today's luncheon Avery ! -Original Message- From: Avery Burdett [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: None To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [obc] Metal life expectancy Les Humphreys K ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) writes: My 1969 Dave Davey track frame feels as good as it ever did - I still use it for time trials. So a downward performance trend must have something to do with something else :-) -- Avery Burdett Ottawa, Ontario -- To unsubscribe, send a blank message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Club Office: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web/mailing list: [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb Newsletter: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb/Newsletter -- To unsubscribe, send a blank message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Club Office: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web/mailing list: [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb Newsletter: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb/Newsletter ==^ EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aVxiDo.aVHtMM Or send an email To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Learn More. Surf Less. Newsletters, Tips and Discussions on Topics You Choose. http://www.topica.com/partner/tag01 ==^
RE: [obc] cfsc
I personally like to see cycling related stuff on the OBC website, regardless of the source. I know I could sign on to other chat lines, but the OBC default option serves my purpose very nicely. Whether club cyclists like it or not, cycling politics are important - you don't have to look any farther than the other side of the Ottawa River to see what the 'head in the sand' approach has done for organised cycling. Now you are forced to ride single file on whatever the local municipality cares to define as a bikepath, whether it be a two way contra flow lane or a while line painted on the sidewalk. -Original Message- From: Paul Lindsay [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: None To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Subject: Re: [obc] cfsc I know this is not realistic but is there any way that cfsc can have thier own e-mail list. I agree. I don't mind a short note to let OBC people know a file is available, but 'camping in' on what is supposedly an OBC related newsgroup seems a bit much. ... Paul L. -- To unsubscribe, send a blank message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Club Office: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web/mailing list: [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb Newsletter: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb/Newsletter -- To unsubscribe, send a blank message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Club Office: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web/mailing list: [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb Newsletter: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb/Newsletter ==^ EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aVxiDo.aVHtMM Or send an email To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Learn More. Surf Less. Newsletters, Tips and Discussions on Topics You Choose. http://www.topica.com/partner/tag01 ==^
