Re: [ob] Re: ENRG: Profitunity day trading method using 5 minute chart
Apakah bukannya garis merah sbg Sell stop? 2010/4/8 jsx_consultant jsx-consult...@centrin.net.id Tambahin Cut Loss levelnya, IHSG udah -30 - Jika ragu, kalo turun dibawah buaya boleh Cut Loss - Tapi kalo metode Profitunity asli menggunakan SELL FRACTAL sebagai trigger Cut loss karena sebenarnya metode Profitunity adalah metode Trading yg mengikuti Wave tapi si BILL nya engga mau ngomong soal ini karena orang TAKUT dengan yg berbau Elliott Wave. - Jadi Sell Stop nya 1 level dibawah SELL FRACTAL 153 http://www.obrolanbandar.com/pibenrgzz.png --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, jsx_consultant jsx-consult...@... wrote: 10:50 ENRG: Profitunity day trading method using 5 minute chart http://www.obrolanbandar.com/pibenrgzz.png - Strong Wave 1 impulse - Correction wave 2 antara 23%-38% - BUY at fibo 38%, CL kalo jebol - Naik diatas Buaya dan Buy Fractal 1 - Buy more kalo naik diatas Buy Fractal 2 (159) - Momentum and Price divergen -- Good + + + + + + + Mohon saat meREPLY posting, text dari posting lama dihapus kecuali diperlukan agar CONTEXTnya jelas. + + + + + + +Yahoo! Groups Links
Re: [ob] Orang bodoh vs orang pintar by Mario Teguh
Sekarang ini ada kecenderungan orang berpikir bahkan berbicara -- Sekolah tidak usah tinggi2, yang penting bisa cari duit. Orang2 semacam ini tidak pernah berpikir, bagaimana mereka bisa menggunakan Blackberry, atau Laptop yang canggih. Bagaimana mungkin barang2 secanggih itu bisa ada, kalau pikirannya seperti diatas.. Itulah sebabnya Indonesia selalu tertinggal dalam industri teknologi.. bisanya import saja. 2010/2/1 inderaw...@gmail.com Amen pak.. Saya juga benci sama artikel sampah begini.. But hey, next/delete button just one click away, rite? :) Tetap semangat, orang pandai! Stay in school! Dan jangan lupa bergaul buat networkingnya! :) Sent from my BlackBerry® powered by Sinyal Kuat INDOSAT -- *From: * mikey lionb...@gmail.com *Date: *Mon, 1 Feb 2010 07:15:13 +0800 *To: *obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com *Subject: *Re: [ob] Orang bodoh vs orang pintar by Mario Teguh Ini artikelnya sepertinya tidak ada background checknya BIll Gates itu bukan orang bodoh, dia itu anak orang kaya, kakeknya punya bank di seattle maminya punya banyak koneksi. Dia bisa sukses dengan microsoft lantaran maminya kenalin Bill dengan CEO IBM, dan hoki aja programnya mau dipakai di personal computer. Kalau maminya orang biasa2 kakeknya bukan konglomerat yang punya bank, ga mungkin lah yah bisa sukses Dan Bill sendiri terbukti orang pintar karena masuknya pun ke Harvard (kalau tidak salah) Goggle bisa sukses dengan 2 orang baru lulus, coba cek dulu backingnya siapa. CEO Pepsi, CEO Kodak, dan satu CEO lagi (saya lupa) sebagai backing financialnya, dan ada 1 orang ex CEO lagi umur 60an yang masuk ke google pertama kali untuk mempromosikan karya 2 orang undergrads ini. Artikel2 seperti ini menghasut. Kakak ipar saya sampe drop out dari kuliah karena terlalu banyak membaca artikel seperti ini tanpa membaca lebih detail lagi cerita yang sebenarnya. Kalau semua orang berpikir mau jadi orang bodoh, apa jadinya dunia ini? Mana ada lagi orang pintar? Jaman sekarang, orang pintar juga tidak bodo, dia liat bossnya bodo, tinggal bikin usaha serupa dengan si boss bodo, customernya ditarikin semua, si boss bodo udah ga bisa apa2 (namanya juga bodo). Customernya juga tau siapa yang pintar dan siapa yang bodo. Satu lagi, orang bodo itu biasanya meniru, tidak bisa menciptakan inovasi. Inovasi diciptakan sama orang pintar. Sukses tidaknya anda, bukan karena pintar atau bodoh. Semua ditentukan dengan networking. Rumus sukses 20% kerja keras, 80% network Masih ga percaya, tanya aja sama Om Liem / Eka Cipta Kalau bukan karena network, bagaimana mereka bisa sukses?
Re: [ob] OLT di Indo bisa pake Ipad ?
IPad w/ keyboard [image: ?ui=2view=attth=1267294140be5322attid=0.1disp=attdrealattid=ii_1267294140be5322zw] 2010/1/28 Febry Hariyannugraha febry.hariyannugr...@gmail.com Kayaknya akan banyak kritik .. Kindle dari Amazon di US sudah banyak yang bawa .. Baca e-book pake kindle di bis kelihatannya nyaman .. Ipad bisa jadi terinspirasi dari Kindle .. tapi who know's lah .. Nanti juga costumer yang menilai hehehe IPad.JPG
Re: [ob] BNBR QUIZ: Berapa target BNBR ?
Dgn AP..kl hr ini melanjutkan rally, maka target pertama di median line, sekitar 104. [image: ?ui=2view=attth=126253afbf9974e0attid=0.1disp=attdrealattid=ii_126253afbf9974e0zw] 2010/1/12 jsx_consultant jsx-consult...@centrin.net.id BNBR QUIZ: Berapa target BNBR ? Dari gambar dibawah, bisakah kita ngitung target BNBR ?. http://www.obrolanbandar.com/piwbumibnbr.png Jika bisa berapa: - Target minimal ? - Target maximal ? Engga usah tepat tepat, kira kira aja bantuin embah ngitung targetnya... + + + + + + + Mohon saat meREPLY posting, text dari posting lama dihapus kecuali diperlukan agar CONTEXTnya jelas. + + + + + + +Yahoo! Groups Links BNBR.PNG
Re: [ob] Buku EW Prechter......Re: Workshop Elliottwave ....
Elliott Wave Principle by Frost and Prechter, introduction by Charles J. Collins ...total 254 pages jadi kalau hanya 112 p pasti sdh didiskon On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 12:24 AM, sasha winata sashawin...@ymail.com wrote: Mbah Ganteng http://rapidshare.com/files/165197778/Prechter_R_-_The_Elliott_Waves_Principles_112p.pdf2.24 MB http://rapidshare.com/files/101414470/Mastering_Elliott_Wave.rar 17.65 MB http://rapidshare.com/files/177230292/Prechter__Robert_-_The_Major_Works_Of_R_N_Elliott_www.dl4all.com.pdf8.53 MB http://rapidshare.com/files/165834859/Prechter__Robert__1990__-_The_Major_Works_Of_R_N_Elliott.pdf8.53 MB http://rapidshare.com/files/177234171/Prechter__Robert-_The_Elliott_Waves_Principles_www.dl4all.com.pdf http://rapidshare.com/files/165197778/Prechter_R_-_The_Elliott_Waves_Principles_112p.pdf BENJAMIN VAN VLIET Modeling Financial Markets. Using Visual Basic To Create PRICING,TRADING,RISK.pdf Bill M.williams - New Trading Dimensions - How To Profit From Chaos In Stocks, Bonds, And Commod... BILL WILLIAMS - Trading Chaos - - Wiley Finance.pdf BRUCE I JACOBS - Market Neutral Strategies-WILEY.pdf BRUCE J. FEIBEL - Investment Performance Measurement (Wiley-2003) (pdf).pdf Callum Henderson-Currency Strategy - A Practitioner's Guide To Currency Investing, Hedging And F... CBOT MARKET PROFILE HANBOOK STUDY GUIDE PARTS 1-6.pdf Charles Brandes - Value Investing Today (Mcgraw Hill-3rd Ed-2004) (pdf).pdf Charles C. Zhang - .Make.Yourself.A.Millionaire.pdf Charles Le Beau Lucas, David W - Day Trading Systems Methods.pdf CHARLES M LALOGGIA The Superstock Investor.pdf Charles Mackay - Memoirs Of Extraordinary Popular Delusions Vol 1.(Doc).doc Charles Mackay - Memoirs Of Extraordinary Popular Delusions Vol 2.(Doc).doc Charles Mackay - Memoirs Of Extraordinary Popular Delusions Vol 3.(Doc).doc Total files size: 58 MB http://rapidshare.com/files/73858529/Trading_Market_Forex_03.zip password: helijoop Slm S --- On *Thu, 1/7/10, jsx_consultant jsx-consult...@centrin.net.id*wrote: From: jsx_consultant jsx-consult...@centrin.net.id Subject: [ob] Buku EW Prechter..Re: Workshop Elliottwave To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, January 7, 2010, 1:59 PM Buku import hardcover Elliottwave Principle by Frost and Prechter (worth USD 35, shipping applied). Ini merupakan buku pegangan wajib bagi anda yang ingin menguasai Elliottwave principles. Dulu buku EW yg kita download, pengarangnya hanya Precter saja atau berikut Frost Apakah buku ini BERBEDA dengan yg kita download ?. Sasha manis , apakah ini sama ?.
Re: Bls: [ob] Tips Untuk Speedy
Pengalaman saya dengan Speedy : Saya tinggal di Jakarta Barat (kembangan), jadi telkom speedy terdekat di Kedoya (021-581), ternyata gangguan timbul karena terjadi bending (..tidak tahu istilah sebenarnya, mungkin sama dengan terblokir). Oleh karena itu setiap kali terjadi gangguan saya telepon ke nomor diatas untuk minta agar bendingannya dilepas..dan ternyata memang terjadi bending alias pemblokiran dari sistem. Segera teknisi melepaskan blokir dan internet tersambung dengan baik. Teknisi jg tidak tahu kenapa terjadi, hanya dikatakan mungkin terjadi gangguan di kabel telepon atau induksi, sehingga akan terblokir otomatis. Hal menhubungi langsung telkom saya sdh lakukan begitu sering, siang ini pun mengalami gangguan. Call center 147 tidak dapat diandalkan. DNS saya set automatic, tidak masalah Jadi bila tinggal diluar Kembangan, cari tahu nomor telepon telkom speedy terdekat..atau tanyakan pada sales nya Mudah2 an membantu... 2009/12/27 kobayashi mitsukuni ueno_kobaya...@yahoo.co.id Wah...Trims Bro David...! mungkin ini penyebabnya ya..dan sy pakai HOT spot lagi.. Letakkan modem jauh dari sumber listrik (+/- 1 m) seperti UPS, Stabilizer, TV, speaker, HP, USB Modem semua alat2 elektronik. sy punya saking dirapikan,jd numpuk kali..hehhehehe... *trims* koba. -- *Dari:* David Lau dj_davi...@yahoo.com *Kepada:* JT jsxtra...@yahoogroups.com *Cc:* obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com *Terkirim:* Ming, 27 Desember, 2009 13:51:01 *Judul:* [ob] Tips Untuk Speedy Bagi rekan2 yg bermasalah (sering putus koneksinya lambat) dengan Speedynya , berikut ini saya berikan tips untuk mengatasinya karena hal ini juga saya alami sdh saya lakukan cukup bermanfaat. - Ganti kabel telpon dari KTB s/d ke splitter dgn kabel yg baru (twisted pair yg isinya 2) tanpa sambungan. - Cek di KTB, apakah tembaganya sdh berwarna hitam. Jika sdh berwarna hitam harus diganti dgn yg baru. - Instalasi kabel telpon tidak boleh berhimpitan dgn kabel listrik / kabel antena / kabel2 lainnya yg memancarkan frekwensi. - Letakkan modem jauh dari sumber listrik (+/- 1 m) seperti UPS, Stabilizer, TV, speaker, HP, USB Modem semua alat2 elektronik. - Ganti modulasi di modem tsb menjadi ADSL_G.dmt - Pasang antivirus, usahakan yang original biar bisa update secara maksimal rutin lakukan scan. PS : KTB adalah kotak yg biasanya ada diluar rumah yg menghubungkan kabel telpon dari tiang telpon ke rumah kita. Semoga bermanfaat. Regards,... DvD? In Te Domine, Speravi Non Confundar In Aeternum -- -- Yahoo! Mail Kini Lebih Cepat dan Lebih Bersih. Rasakan bedanya sekarang!http://id.mail.yahoo.com/ -- Wajib militer di Indonesia? Temukan jawabannya di Yahoo! Answers!
Re: [ob] Sri Mulyani: Aburizal Bakrie Tidak Senang pada Saya
Kalau saya punya uang 1 milyar, tentu akan mencari bank yang punya reputasi (BCA, BRI, Citibank, HSBC dll.)...kok bisa2 nya orang punya 2 juta dollar ditaruh di bank seperti Bank Century ? Ada udang dibalik batu? 2009/12/11 Aria Bela Nusa ariab...@centrin.net.id Bank Century atau bank pencury – harta pengurus2nya yg kabur itu jg gede2 banget (kalo tidak salah ‘ampe triliunan jg) -- *From:* obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com [mailto: obrolan-ban...@yahoogroups.com] *On Behalf Of *jsx_consultant *Sent:* Friday, December 11, 2009 1:37 AM *To:* obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com *Subject:* Re: [ob] Sri Mulyani: Aburizal Bakrie Tidak Senang pada Saya Tambahan: BC itu hasil merger dari 3 bank, salah satu bank tsb banyak main Surat Berharga. Anda kan tahu, pada saat puncak krisis SM, surat2 berharga itu hampir tidak ada harganya lagi, banyaknya DEFAULT. Sebagai pembanding: BUMI saja dari 8000 tinggal 385. Tapi sesudah krisis lewat BUMI bisa ke 3000 lagi. Komposisi Surat Berharga sangat besar dan sudah diperingatkan oleh BI. Tapi seperti embah bilang: Nasi udah jadi bubur borok, jadi terserah DPR saja mau apa. Tapi seorang pemimpin harus MEMUTUSKAN, dia tidak bisa memilih opsi DIAM. Keputusan Melikwidasi dan Mengambil alih , dua duanya keputusan JELEK, apapun yg dipilih akan BERAKHIR ke DPR karena urusan Borok2 tsb.. --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com obrolan-bandar%40yahoogroups.com, jsx_consultant jsx-consult...@... wrote: Masalah BOROK BC memang sudah lama, jauh hari dari sebelum krisis... Laporan BPK tentang BOROK yg seabrek abrek ini sih SUDAH terlambat, Nasi udah jasi bubur borok... BC harusnya sudah terjual kepada investor baru sebelum krisis datang tapi GAGAL. Sri Mulyani HANYA punya dua pilihan pada saat GENTING GENTINGnya krisis SM: - Melikwidasi atau Mengambil alih Kedua duanya MENYAKITKAN dan MERUGIKAN, TAPI harus DIPUTUSKAN !!! Dan saat itu diputuskan Mengambil alih, keputusan ini adalah LOGIS karena keadaan ekonomi sedang genting. Jika BC diambil alih pada keadaan ekonomi normal, maka keputusan ini GOBLOK dan CORRUPT. Note: - Jika saat itu diputuskan Melikwidasi BC, laporan BPK isinya akan sama dengan keputusan Mengambil alih karena itu adalah akibat/konsekwensi BOROK LAMA yg tidak terselesaikan sampai akhir krisis SM datang. _ From: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com obrolan-bandar%40yahoogroups.com[mailto: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com obrolan-bandar%40yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Parama Nandana Sent: Friday, December 11, 2009 12:40 AM To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com obrolan-bandar%40yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [ob] Sri Mulyani: Aburizal Bakrie Tidak Senang pada Saya Salah atau tidak salahnya pejabat negara dalam mengambil keputusan dan menjalankan kebijakannya, tinggal di backtest aja Mbah, khususnya terhadap peraturan dan UU yang berlaku. Hasil audit BPK jelas menunjukkan pelanggaran yang dilakukan BI dan KSSK terhadap berbagai peraturan dan UU mulai dari proses merger bank Pikko, BCIC dan bank Danpac, ketidak telitian BI dalam mengawasi bank Century, sampai dengan pelanggaran UU no 24 thn 2004 tentang LPS. Agar para OBers dapat mencerna dan menyimpulkan sendiri dengan lebih obyektif, dapat download detail hasil investigasi bank Century oleh BPK dalam link dibawah ini: http://media. http://media.vivanews.com/documents/2009/11/24/431_Audit%20Investigasi%20BP K%20Atas%20Bank%20Century.pdf vivanews.com/documents/2009/11/24/431_Audit%20Investigasi%20BPK%20Atas%20Ban k%20Century.pdf _ From: Bandar Bola bandarr.b...@... To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com obrolan-bandar%40yahoogroups.com Sent: Thu, December 10, 2009 2:21:55 PM Subject: Re: [ob] Sri Mulyani: Aburizal Bakrie Tidak Senang pada Saya Betul Mbah, ada dua issue besar yang Mbah katakan, ditambah dua issue lain: 1. Proses pengambilan keputusan KSSK yang diketuai Bu Sri Mulyani 2. Proses pengambil-alihan management Bank Century post-bailout 3. Aliran dana dari deposan besar / afiliasi pemilik lama 4. Diskriminasi BI terhadap Bank Century, yang seharusnya sudah ditutup dari dulu-dulu Point nomor satu: menurut saya tidak ada masalah karena discretionary decision itu hak dari pejabat yang berwenang, dalam hal ini Ketua KSSK. Keputusan kemarin tidak bisa dinilai salah kalau sudah ketahuan hasilnya (ini kayak Prof. JT yang bilang bahwa TA itu tidak error-proof 100%, kalau tahu SUMI naik besok, hari ini kita gadein rumah mertua sekalian, he he...), yang penting semua aspek sudah dipertimbangkan. Paling-paling kalau mau dipertanyakan adalah besarnya biaya bailout sebagai dasar pengambilan keputusan yang katanya cuma 600-an milyar tapi ternyata jadi membengkak. Selain itu ada dugaan, katanya Ketua KKSK pada awalnya tidak setuju bailout, dan lebih prefer untuk dilikuidasi, tapi ternyata
Re: [ob] Simbol USD Dollar index di Google finance ?
UUP Power shares US Dollar Index bullish On Tue, Sep 22, 2009 at 10:53 AM, jsx_consultant jsx-consult...@centrin.net.id wrote: Ada yg tahu apa simbol USD Dollar index di Google finance ? + + + + + + + Mohon saat meREPLY posting, text dari posting lama dihapus kecuali diperlukan agar CONTEXTnya jelas. + + + + + + +Yahoo! Groups Links
Re: [ob] Re: WHAT IF....the recession is REALLY diminishing
Mungkin artikel dibawah ini menarik untuk disimak. Dari Investoralley.com Beware of the Obama stimulus trap By Martin Hutchinson http://www.moneymorning.com/, MoneyMorning Monday, August 3, 2009 Upbeat headlines have been everywhere in recent weeks, and they all seem to point to a single conclusion: The U.S. economy is in the early stages of a very rapid recovery. In fact, when you peruse the news it’s difficult to come to any other conclusion. For instance: - A number of key earnings reports have been much better than expected, and company executives buttressed those profit figures with positive comments about the next 18 months. - The trading operations of Goldman Sachs Group Inc. (NYSE:GS) and JPMorgan Chase Co. (NYSE: JPM) both just reported record profits. - U.S. housing prices rose in May for the first time in three years. Initial jobless claims have plunged 15% since their April peak. The Conference Board’s Index of Leading Economic Indicators rose 0.7% in June, its third successive positive reading. - And just yesterday (Thursday), the Dow Jones Industrial Average topped the 9,200 mark for the first time since November, a potentially highly bullish development for the economy, since stock prices are forward-looking. But while many experts will look at these developments as an excuse to celebrate the looming rebound to come, I actually see them as a real cause for concern. The reality is that these reports, when viewed in concert with other data, are actually a sign of a re-inflating financial bubble. This is actually an Economic Recovery Trap that, when sprung, will inflict a lot of pain on overly optimistic investors. Now that we’re sufficiently forewarned, we should re-orient our money accordingly. *Doomed by Deficits* It’s not surprising that the U.S. economy has shown signs of strength in recent weeks; it has had huge amounts of money thrown at it. On the fiscal side, the Obama administration’s May budget plan suggested deficit for the 2009 fiscal year (which ends in September) would reach $1.83 trillion, about 13% of gross domestic product (GDP). However, subsequently released unemployment figures have shown that the U.S. jobless level reached 9.5% in June, far above the 8.3% rate assumed in the budget. And unemployment is expected to spike further in the second half of the year. This worsening unemployment situation strongly suggests that the true budget-deficit figures will be even worse than those already announced, a supposition strengthened by the postponement from mid-July to mid-August of the normal mid-term budget review. Since U.S. President Barack Obama is currently attempting to steer two difficult and expensive pieces of legislation, the cap-and-trade energy bill and the healthcare-reform bill, through Congress, he does not want unfavorable budget numbers appearing that might be used to persuade wavering legislators to oppose them. Even at 13% of GDP in fiscal 2009 and 10% of GDP in fiscal 2010, the U.S. federal deficit is far above any previous level reached in peacetime, so it’s likely that if the economy begins to recover these deficits will prove difficult to finance, meaning the budgetary shortfalls will push up long-term interest rates. That escalation in long-term rates, in turn, could choke off the economic recovery, which to be healthy requires a rebuilding of inventories, extensions of credit to new domestic-and-foreign customers, and a revival of enthusiasm for such large-ticket items as housing and automobiles. With the yield on 10-year U.S. Treasuries already up from a low of 2.07% in December to a recent level of 3.60%, the dampening effect of rising interest rates may already be becoming apparent. In any case, the deficit is a dark cloud that threatens to obscure the economic outlook. And that dark deficit cloud will be very difficult to remove. *Know Your (Real) Enemy* The other main problem with today’s economy is the likely resurgence of inflation. Even the U.S. Federal Reserve, which under central bank Chairman Ben S. Bernanke for a long time apparently maintained a fear of deflation above all else, admitted in its last meeting that the likelihood of deflation had receded. That’s not surprising: In the last six months, core consumer price inflation (excluding food and energy) was a reported 2.4% annually. Although the headline figure has been low because of the sharp drop in energy prices the United States economy has experienced since last year, that effect is about to disappear, as energy prices peaked in early July 2008 and fell sharply throughout the fall. Thus, even reported consumer price inflation, on a year-over-year basis, is likely to surge in the months after this one (July). Moreover, the reported inflation figure may be low. Each month, the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics seasonally adjusts consumer price statistics to remove normal seasonal patterns from the data. That seasonal adjustment
Re: [ob] Confirmasi Ikut serta Workshop Elliot Wave
Namanya saja Rokaya...pakai Rok, jadi pasti Ibu lah...heheh 2009/7/31 Rokaya Aritonang rok...@yahoo.com Hallo pak .. apa kabar? Bagaimana perkembangan pemahaman Elliot Wave nya? sudah ada perkembangan? Dan saya mau mengetahui apakah bapak jadi akan ikut serta workshop Elliot Wave yg akan saya adakan tgl.9 Agustus 2009 di The Suite Aryaduta Semanggi? Saya lagi semangat mengajar ni... Dalam workshop tersebut akan saya ulas mulai dari phyloshophy dr Elliot Wave sampai cara mengoperasikan dengan software dan manual...dan yang terpenting adalah pemahaman manual sedangkan software hanya membantu. Saya menunggu informasi dari bapak/Ibu. Atas perhatian dan tanggapannya saya ucapkan terimakasih. Best Regard, Rokaya Aritonang. --- On *Tue, 6/16/09, mh ngit...@yahoo.com* wrote: From: mh ngit...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [ob] History OB To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, June 16, 2009, 2:06 PM Bu, saya juga berkali2 salah paham anggap rokaya aritonang itu pak, Maaf ya. Mungkin ada baiknya di kasi Ms. Rokaya aritonang biar ga salah paham, Kapan bu diadain training EW, tolong diinfo in ya, Thanks Mh Powered by Telkomsel BlackBerry® -- *From*: Rokaya Aritonang *Date*: Tue, 16 Jun 2009 00:00:09 -0700 (PDT) *To*: obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. com *Subject*: Re: [ob] History OB Hee3x...Pak Ruz7 ...saya belum pernah menulis buku... dan saya benar-benar WANITA.. kalau tidak percaya tanya ke Pak Tasrul atau Wan AL atu Pak Adi Sukmono yang sudah mengenal saya... Best Regard, Rokaya A. --- On *Tue, 6/16/09, Ruz7 indeksbei3000@ gmail.com* wrote: From: Ruz7 indeksbei3000@ gmail.com Subject: Re: [ob] History OB To: obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. com Date: Tuesday, June 16, 2009, 1:49 PM Ibu ? Sepertinya Bapak deh ? Pak Rokaya kan penulis buku jugaPowered By FREN BondBerry. (Bayar Pake Daun). Indeksbei3000® -- *From*: HOTMONEY *Date*: Tue, 16 Jun 2009 13:32:48 +0700 *To*: obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. com *Subject*: Re: [ob] History OB Dear Ibu Rokaya Aritonang, mohon contoh analisa EWnya utk IHSG dan DJI dishare disini. Sy ingin lihat. Sy masih awam soal EW cuma tau 12345abc aja. regards, HotMoney ^^ Pada 15 Juni 2009 10:13, Rokaya Aritonang rok...@yahoo. comhttp://us.mc543.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=rok...@yahoo.com menulis: Saya akan memberikan training elliotwave di Jakarta bila peminat minimal 20 orang dan maksimal 40 orang..karena Elliot wave adalah masuk katagori ADVANCE TA. Bagi yang berminat silahkan email japri kepada saya. NB. Mbah saya minta ijin untuk memberikan informasi Training ini.. Best Regard, Rokaya A. --- On *Sun, 6/14/09, kusumo k kusu...@gmail. comhttp://us.mc543.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=kusu...@gmail.com * wrote: From: kusumo k kusu...@gmail. comhttp://us.mc543.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=kusu...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [ob] History OB To: obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. comhttp://us.mc543.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=obrolan-ban...@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, June 14, 2009, 7:58 PM Kalo ada training elliot wave saya ikut.. Jakarta ya pak... 2009/6/14 Rokaya Aritonang rok...@yahoo. comhttp://us.mc543.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=rok...@yahoo.com Hi pak yudizz pak kabar? Jgn salahkan elliot wave, trus terang saya kagum dg penemu elliot wave... Klo ada yg gaya2an pk elliot wav tp salah melulu berarti orang tsb blum kuasai rule of the elliot wave. Klo saya mau adakan training elliot wave kira2 ada yg minat? Best Regard, Rokaya A. --- On Sun, 6/14/09, Yudizz yudiz...@gmail. comhttp://us.mc543.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=yudizz28%40gmail.com wrote: From: Yudizz yudiz...@gmail. comhttp://us.mc543.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=yudizz28%40gmail.com Subject: RE: [ob] History OB To: obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. comhttp://us.mc543.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=obrolan-bandar%40yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, June 14, 2009, 4:51 PM Kalo nggak salah tujuan awal berdirinya OB itu sebagai tempat pertukaran RUMOR antar bandar dan tukang goreng. Jadi dulu malah lebih sangar dari sekarang, liar banget, banyak provokatornya. Dulu mah jarang banget yang kasih ulasan TA model Pak JT atau Pak Tasrul. Baru akhir2 ini aja orang gaya2an ngomong Elliot Wave. :p Kalo mau didongengin, minta Pak Gangway atau Pak Tommy Jayamudita yang cerita. Dua orang itu yang masih eksis sejak milis ini berdiri. Regards, Yudizz Powered by BEI BerbullishT May The BULL Be With You -Original Message- From: obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:obrolan-bandar@http://us.mc543.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of [ M S ] Sent: Sunday, June 14, 2009 4:23 PM To: Milis OB Subject: [ob] History OB OB dibentuk oleh embah sejak tahun
Re: [ob] ADRO crossing 10T
http://www.idx.co.id/Portals/0/Emiten/200907/18FDEF54-978C-432A-AB8E-1F7A0CAF4432.PDF On Thu, Jul 23, 2009 at 1:41 PM, Dean Earwicker dean.earwic...@gmail.comwrote: Regards, DE + + + + + + + Mohon saat meREPLY posting, text dari posting lama dihapus kecuali diperlukan agar CONTEXTnya jelas. + + + + + + +Yahoo! Groups Links
Re: [ob] Prediksi EL is being TESTED this week
Mbah, Bgmn kl dibandingkan dengan Nasdaq Composite index, nampaknya lebih meyakinkan. Apakah sdh memasuki bullish area? MACD untuk monthly sekarang berada pada titik crossing, sementara DJI memang belum. Tks 2009/7/24 jsx_consultant jsx-consult...@centrin.net.id --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Rei highwaysta...@... wrote: Mbah, sptnya walau masih di bearish area, tiap kali buat HH ya? Thanks. Gerakan harga mirip gerakan gelombang, dengan SIFAT sbb: - NORMAL wave: Harga bergerak dari Lower PIG line ke Centre Line lalu ke Higher PIG line. - WEAK wave: Jika harga tidak berhasil menembus Centre line maka ia akan jatuh balik ke Lower PIG line DJI sudah 3 kali mencoba menembus centre line, 2 kali gagal dan saat ini lagi mencoba lagi. Jadi meskipun DJI membuat Highger High, selama dia belum bisa menembus Centre Line, maka kemungkinan DJI kembali ke Lower PIG line masih besar. 2009/7/24 jsx_consultant jsx-consult...@... Apakah prediksi EL tentang datangnya PERIODE BEARISH akan menjadi kenyataan ?. Coba lihat grafik DJI ini: - http://www.obrolanbandar.com/pwldjiazz.png Biarkanlah market yg memutuskan siapa yg benar ? + + + + + + + Mohon saat meREPLY posting, text dari posting lama dihapus kecuali diperlukan agar CONTEXTnya jelas. + + + + + + +Yahoo! Groups Links
Re: [ob] QUIZ Bandarmologi sector BANK
Embah, BBRI dengan FIBO Extension, di plot dari Low di bln Nov/08 ke High di awal Januari 09, lalu diproyesikan ke Low di awal Maret/09, ternyata belum mencapai 161%, sementara dengan metode sama BMRI maupun BDMN bahkan sdh mencapai 261.8%. Sementara BBCA di plot dr Low di Oct/08, baru mencapai 100%. Apakah Banking akan didorong keatas untuk mencapai target Fibo extension BBRI dan BBCA ?? Salam, 2009/6/13 jsx_consultant jsx-consult...@centrin.net.id QUIZ Bandarmologi sector BANK Week end ini embah kasih quiz Bandarmologi untuk sector BANK: - http://www.obrolanbandar.com/piwquizbank.htm Liat gambar dan step2 dibawah ini: 1. Angkat BBRI 2. Angkat BDMN dan BMRI untok dorong BBRI 3. Angkat BBCA sambil Jual BBRI +BDMN+BMRI 4. Reboundkan BBRI sanbil teruskan jualan 5. Reboundkan BBCA sambil terus jualan 6. Jatuhkan BBRI, tahan yg lain .. UPS ?. - Apa maksud/tujuan BD dengan step no 6 ? - Apa yg akan terjadi dengan ke 4 saham diatas minggu depan ? - Apakah saham perbankan akan koreksi seperti dibilang IFM APUT ?. + + + + + + + Mohon saat meREPLY posting, text dari posting lama dihapus kecuali diperlukan agar CONTEXTnya jelas. + + + + + + +Yahoo! Groups Links
Re: [ob] IPOT macet lagi,....!!!!
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[ob] Coal Stocks Push up Australia
SINGAPORE -- Asian share markets were higher Tuesday on hopes for some stability in the global economy, and as coal stocks rose, although trade was quiet with markets shut in Japan and South Korea for holidays. Australia's SP/ASX 200 was up 0.5% -- after a 3% rise Monday to six-month highs -- with New Zealand's NZX-50 up 2.1%, briefly hitting its best level since Nov. 11. The Dow Jones Industrial Average jumped 2.6% while the SP 500 turned positive for the year to date. There's quite a bit of literature from around the world these days about economies slowly picking up, said Peter Young, an adviser at Forsyth Barr. Data from the U.S. and China have been reassuring in recent days, although there are also signs of ongoing economic weakness and concerns about the health of the large U.S. banks. We have made a lot of money over the last eight weeks and continue to think the trick from here will be to keep that money, said analyst Jeffrey D. Saut at Raymond James Equity Research in the U.S. Longer-term we are pretty optimistic. Near-term, we are cautious. Stocks tied to the economic cycle led the way in Sydney, with David Jones up 6%, Macquarie Group up 5.2%, Boral up 7.5% and Rio Tinto up 3.8%. Coal-sector stocks took their lead from a rise in U.S. coal shares Monday after Goldman Sachs raised its coverage view on the companies to attractive from neutral, saying there was expectations for an economic recovery in China. Maccarthur Coal was up 4.2% with Centennial Coal rising 9.6%, while Whitehaven Coal added 2.5%. Singapore's Noble Group said it was increasing its cash offer for Gloucester Coal, calling on the board of Gloucester to act immediately to declare the offer superior to a proposed merger deal with Whitehaven Coal. In Australia, BlueScope Steel, the country's largest steel maker, said it planned to raise up to 1.41 billion Australian dollars ($1.11 billion) through an entitlement offer to cut debt and strengthen its balance sheet. That stock was suspended from trade. Cyclical stocks were higher also in New Zealand, with chipmaker Rayon up 13.6% after announcing a research project, to be half funded by a government grant. Fisher Paykel Appliances was up 13.7%, Fletcher Building up 4.4%, Contact Energy up 2.7% and Telecom 2.6% higher. The euro was still stronger in currency markets as risk appetite improved, with the single currency at $1.3421, from $1.3405 late in New York, and at ¥132.68, from ¥132.60, off an early low of ¥132.35. I am bullish risk, so I am bullish the euro, said ANZ Bank senior dealer Alex Sinton. The U.S. dollar was at ¥98.86, from ¥98.93 in New York, while the Australian dollar was sticking near US$0.7400 before the Reserve Bank of Australia's interest-rate decision, with the central bank expected to stand pat. Despite the recent market inclination to sell the U.S. dollar, Westpac said that, based on leading indicators, it was the most desirable currency among the Group of Three, followed by the euro and the yen. The temptation is to ignore these signals and to be short the dollar by focusing exclusively on improving risk appetite, said analyst Richard Franulovich, but sentiment is fickle. Spot gold was down 95 cents at $902.25 a troy ounce after a strong performance in New York. Three-month copper on the London Metal Exchange gained 2.7% in electronic trade after Monday's London holiday, to $4,720 a metric ton. David Moore, an analyst at Commonwealth of Australia, said the market was taking a glass is half full view on the global economic outlook. Front-month Nymex crude oil futures were down 14 cents on Globex at $54.33 a barrel, having risen $1.27 in New York. *Write to* Rosalind Mathieson at rosalind.mathie...@dowjones.com
[ob] Asian Shares Rise As Cyclical Stocks Lead; Aussie Mkt +0.5%
SINGAPORE (MarketWatch) -- Asian share markets were higher Tuesday with cyclical stocks and coal miners rising on hopes for some stability in the global economy, but trade was quiet with markets shut in Japan and South Korea. Australia's SP/ASX 200 was up 0.5% - after a 3.0% rise Monday to six-month highs - with New Zealand's NZX-50 up 2.1%, briefly hitting its best level since November 11. Investors were comforted by a strong night on Wall Street, with quite a bit of literature from around the world these days about economies slowly picking up, said Peter Young, an adviser at Forsyth Barr. The Dow Jones Industrial Average jumped 2.6% while the SP 500 turned positive for the year to date. Data from the U.S. and China in particular have been reassuring in recent days, though there are also signs of ongoing economic weakness and concerns about the health of the large U.S. banks. Some analysts have urged caution given the pace of the recent rise in global stock markets, and the large gains made in Asia Monday may have pre-empted Wall Street to some extent. We have made a lot of money over the last eight weeks and continue to think the trick from here will be to keep that money, said analyst Jeffrey D. Saut at Raymond James Equity Research in the U.S. Longer-term we are pretty optimistic. Near-term, we are cautious. Stocks tied to the economic cycle led the way in Sydney, with David Jones up 6.0%, Macquarie Group up 5.2%, Boral up 7.5% and Rio Tinto up 3.8%. Coal-sector stocks took their lead from a rise in U.S. coal shares Monday after Goldman Sachs raised its coverage view on the companies to attractive from neutral, saying there were several reasons to buy coal stocks now, including expectations for an economic recovery in China. Maccarthur Coal was up 4.2% with Centennial Coal rising 9.6%, while Whitehaven Coal added 2.5%. Singapore's Noble Group said it was increasing its cash offer for Gloucester Coal, calling on the board of Gloucester to act immediately to declare the offer superior to a proposed merger deal with Whitehaven Coal. There was news of more capital raisings in Australia with BlueScope Steel, the country's largest steel maker, saying it planned to raise up to A$1.41 billion through an entitlement offer to cut debt and strengthen its balance sheet. That stock was suspended from trade. Cyclical stocks were higher also in New Zealand, with chipmaker Rayon up 13.6% after announcing a NZ$9 million research project, to be half funded by a government grant. Fisher Paykel Appliances was up 13.7%, Fletcher Building up 4.4%, Contact Energy up 2.7% and Telecom 2.6% higher. The euro was still stronger in currency markets as risk appetite improved, with the single currency at $1.3421, from $1.3405 late in New York, and at Y132.68, from Y132.60, off an early low of Y132.35. I am bullish risk, so I am bullish the euro, said ANZ Bank senior dealer Alex Sinton. The U.S. dollar was at Y98.86, from Y98.93 in New York, while the Australian dollar was sticking near US$0.7400 before the Reserve Bank of Australia's interest rate decision, with the central bank expected to stand pat. Despite the recent market inclination to sell the U.S. dollar, Westpac said that, based on leading indicators, it was the most desirable currency among the Group of Three, followed by the euro and the yen. The temptation is to ignore these signals and to be short the dollar by focusing exclusively on improving risk appetite, said analyst Richard Franulovich, but sentiment is fickle. Spot gold was down 95 cents at $902.25 a troy ounce after a strong performance in New York. LME three-month copper gained 2.7% in electronic trade after Monday's London holiday, to $4,720 a metric ton. David Moore, an analyst at Commonwealth of Australia, said the market was taking a glass is half full view on the global economic outlook. Front-month Nymex crude oil futures were down 14 cents on Globex at $54.33 a barrel, having risen $1.27 in New York. [image: End of Story]
[ob] Fwd: IPOT intermittent
-- Forwarded message -- From: ungkoro.darmosus...@ipc.co.id Date: 2009/4/22 Subject: Re: IPOT intermittent To: Adhi Sukmono adhis...@gmail.com Terima kasih pak Adhi atas tanggapannya, kita sedang mau taruh server2 lagi di tempat telkom dan satu tempat lagi dalam waktu 1-2 minggu ini. Sekarang padahal server kita sudah lebih dari 80 biji pak Adhi. Terima kasih sekali lagi atas inputnya. Sent from my BlackBerry® powered by Sinyal Kuat INDOSAT -- *From*: Adhi Sukmono *Date*: Tue, 21 Apr 2009 16:16:18 +0700 *To*: ungkoro.darmosus...@ipc.co.id *Subject*: IPOT intermittent Dear Pak Ungky, Apa kabar? Saya hanya menyampaikan beberapa hr ini IPOT sering kali *mati *untuk sejenak (sekitar 1 menit) lalu on lagi. Dan ketika on lagi, menuDone by Stock perlu waktu yg cukup lama untuk menampilkan isinya. Demikian di milis OB juga ramai dibicarakan ttg hal ini, agak sulit bagi saya untuk komunikasi dg call center, karena jawabannya standard disini tidak ada masalah. Jd saya kirim email, agar pak Ungky jg waspada akan kejadian ini. Saya forward jg email dr milis OB ttg IPOT. Ok, salam dr teman lama. Adhi Sukmono
[ob] Indonesia's Bumi says 2008 net profit down 18 pct
JAKARTA, April 1 (Reuters) - Indonesia's top coal producer, PT Bumi Resources Tbk (BUMI.JKhttp://www.reuters.com/finance/stocks/overview?symbol=BUMI.JK), on Wednesday said net profit fell 18 percent to $645.4 million in 2008, from $789 million a year ago, but still beat analysts' forecasts. Bumi, which has a market capitalisation of $1.35 billion, also reported sales of $3.38 billion in 2008, compared with $2.27 billion a year ago. Analysts polled by Reuters Estimates had forecast a net profit of $584 million. (Reporting by Andreas Ismar; Editing by Sara Webb)
Re: [ob] Re: Bls: [obrolan-bandar] Re: Yahoo group lelet
Pakai GMAIL, semua mail akan di filter dulu, SPAM akan masuk ke Spam Folder Masih pakai Outlook ? Dgn Gmail semua mail kan tersimpan di Google bukan di komputer Anda. 2009/3/22 Rokaya Aritonang rok...@yahoo.com Ya..syukur komputer anda baik2 saja... Problemnya mau buka spam atau baca di inbox..komputer sering kn virus trojan/worm yg membuat speed komputer drop...atau lebih seru lagi meng-log off komputer saya...klo dah men-log off..komputer hrs dimatikan..tp untungnya data saya selalu di back-up..dan klo buka email..tdk akan buka data2 penting.. Trimakasih pada orang yg kirim virus ke saya dgn kepandaiannya men-log off komputer saya...blum bosan yaaa.. NB. Bosan ah saya disapa Pak terus... Saya wanita/ I am Lady.. Best Regard, Rokaya A. --- On *Sat, 3/21/09, bayu murti bayumurti1...@yahoo.co.id* wrote: From: bayu murti bayumurti1...@yahoo.co.id Subject: Bls: [obrolan-bandar] Re: Yahoo group lelet To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, March 21, 2009, 9:12 AM comku baik2 aja tu? kan dah disaring dulu di yahoo, jadi ga ada virus Mungkin Pak Rokaya buka email spam? kl email OB baik2 aja kok --- Pada *Jum, 20/3/09, jsx_consultant jsx-consultant@ centrin.net. id*menulis: Dari: jsx_consultant jsx-consultant@ centrin.net. id Topik: [obrolan-bandar] Re: Yahoo group lelet Kepada: obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. com Tanggal: Jumat, 20 Maret, 2009, 9:13 AM Lelet PC dan lelet Yahoo adalah dua hal yg berbeda. Lelet Yahoo group bisa dilihat dengan menghitung selisih Jam Sent dan Jam Received pada Email client seperti pada Microsoft Outlook... Hari ini KETERLAMBATAN bisa mencapai 6 jam seperti yg dialami posting Mr Daniel B. Posting yg lelet termasuk juga posting yg dilakukan lewat web, jadi JELAS penyebab kelambatan ada di server Yahoo. Sepertinya ada traffic posting yg BESAR diserver Yahoo akibat bullishnya index Dowjones atau ada VIRUS atau 'VIRUS' diserver Yahoo... --- In obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. com, Rokaya Aritonang rok...@... wrote: Satu hal lagi yg membuat lelet...email2 OB'r banyak yg tertempel/kena virus yg membuat kerja komputer lambatitu jg penyebabnya. . Kalau saya baca email OB.. komputer langsung jd lelet..tiap 2x sehari hrs scan virus.. Best Regard, Rokaya A. --- On Fri, 3/20/09, jsx_consultant jsx-consultant@ ... wrote: From: jsx_consultant jsx-consultant@ ... Subject: [obrolan-bandar] Yahoo group lelet To: obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. com Date: Friday, March 20, 2009, 9:05 AM Yahoo group lelet 09:05 Kalo market lagi kritis, Yahoo sering lelet... Harap sadar bahwa posting posting akan lama munculnya... -- Berselancar lebih cepat dan lebih cerdas dengan Firefox 3http://sg.rd.yahoo.com/id/search/firefox/mail/signature/*http://downloads.yahoo.com/id/firefox/!
[obrolan-bandar] Citi, BofA Get a Reprieve
BusinessWeek Posted by: Ben Levisohn on February 20 With the Dow Jones industrial average off nearly 300 points over fears of bank nationalization, Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner, like his counterparts in the FDIC, rushed in on a Friday to rescue beleaguered financial institutions – at least for one day. Unlike the FDIC, which seizes a bank on Friday and has it ready to open on Mondayhttp://www.salon.com/tech/htww/?last_story=/tech/htww/2009/02/20/nationalization/, the White House sought to avoid that scenario with a mid-day announcement that it would release details of its financial rescue plan next week — and nationalization would not be part of the planhttp://www.businessweek.com/ap/financialnews/D96FH8H80.htm?chan=top+news_top+news+index+-+temp_news+%2B+analysis . The announcement worked. The Dow Jones Industrial Average and SP 500, both down over 3% at the time, fought their way back to unchanged before giving back some of the rally to close down around 1% for the day. It's déjà vu all over again. Back in November, only a Federal Reserve pledge to support the bankshttp://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/24/business/24citibank.htmlprevented the stock market from trading much below its 10-year low http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/08_49/b4111070916088.htmand the market rallied 25%. Now, as the SP 500 approaches those lows again – it traded as low as 754 on February 20, just two points above its 752 close on November 20 – investors hope to see some radical solution from the Treasury Department and the Federal Reserve. If they're disappointed, expect the market to test those lows. But this is really about banks and two banks in particular: Citigroup and Bank of America. Citi closed down 22% on Friday, while Bank of America was down around 4%. Citihttp://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087sid=a4gHEFpqNWcIrefer=homeand B of Ahttp://money.cnn.com/news/newsfeeds/articles/djf500/200902201552DOWJONESDJONLINE000851_FORTUNE5.htmcan talk all they want about having adequate capital, but if it weren't for the sheer size of the two financial behemoths – and the worries about the knock-on effects their demise would have on the financial system - the banks would have been seized and sold off months ago. The hope that the feds will figure out some way out of this mess without wiping out shareholders is the only force keeping BofA and Citi's shares aloft. But Geithner is no Luke Skywalker — and Bernanke no Ben Kenobi. The ending to this saga may not be pretty.
[obrolan-bandar] Fwd: [watr-workshop] Progress report prihal SPS
-- Forwarded message -- From: Wan Al stock...@gmail.com Date: 2009/2/16 Subject: [watr-workshop] Progress report prihal SPS To: Watr Workshop watr-works...@yahoogroups.com Dear nasabah WATR, Dengan hormat, Pada kesempatan ini saya sampaikan rasa dan ucapan terima kasih kepada anda semua atas kesabaran, kepercayaan, dan dukungan kepada saya dalam hal penyelesaian masalah yg kami hadapi bersama di SPS. Sejak 6 jan 09 PT.SPS dibekukan oleh SROs dan BAPEPAM karena dugaan penggelapan dana dan efek milik nasabah, termasuk milik kami nasabah WATR. Sejak itu saya mengupayakan jalur lobby melalui teman teman saya pejabat dan petinggi SROs dan BAPEPAM, agar masalah ini bisa segera diatas dan diselesaikian demi kepentingan seluruh nasabah. Saya tidak pernah mau berhubungan dengan jalur manapun, media dan wartawan sering menghubungi saya, teman teman dg jalur dan relasi politik DPR, pengacara, namun saya tetap focus dan konsisten dengan jalur lobby yg saya upayakan dan saya yakini, dan telah terbukti berhasil. Masalahnya belum selesai sampai disini, namun seluruh efek saham milik nasabah bisa dipastikan kembali utuh 100% pada minggu ini, sebagian dari nasabah sudah terima hasil verifikasi 100% utuh, dan sebagian lain masih dalam antrian. Saya percaya bahwa jalur lobby yg selama ini saya upayakan akan berhasil dan telah berhasil, dan untuk sisa cash milik nasabah, saya juga akan mengupayakan jalur lobby yg sama, namun tidak dapat saya pungkiri bahwa permasalahan dana cash akan lebih sulit dibandingkan saham. Entah berapa lama waktu lagi, namun saya akan tetap melobby SROs dan BAPEPAM lewat jalur jalur yg ada saat ini, agar sisa dana cash milik nasabah bisa ada kepastiannya, apa pun hasilnya, yang penting ada kejelasan dari SROs dan BAPEPAM. Demikian alhamdulilah, progress ini berjalan dan tidak terabaikan sepeti pada sekuritas atau bank lain yg pernah terjadi. Wassalam Hishmad Abubakar Al-Amudi (Wan Al) www.watr-workshop.net
[obrolan-bandar] Weekend Reading : Why China Can't Dump U.S. Treasuries
*By David Fessler* As if we needed something else to concern ourselves with, the Is-China-Going-To-Start-Selling-Treasuries worry mill is cranking up… again. It seems every once in awhile - and more so lately - the financial pundits begin to climb the China wall of worry. And it's not an unreasonable question: Last year, China became the biggest foreign holder of U.S. securities, when it plunked down almost $66 billion for them in October alone. With that big of a stick, some believe that China could bring down the U.S. without ever setting foot here. Others feel it already is, by artificially setting the rate at which its currency is tied to the dollar. Still others feel that we are worrying needlessly, and we have nothing to worry about, as China has few other investment alternatives. Will China continue to buy Treasuries? What will happen when it stops and starts buying something else? Or worse - what if it starts dumping U.S. debt? The answers to these questions may surprise you. But first, let's see if we can get our hands around the size of China's problem. *The World's Biggest Cash Pile* Make no mistake: it's a much bigger problem for Chinahttp://www.investmentu.com/IUEL/2009/January/investing-in-china.htmlthan it is for us. When you're sitting on the biggest mountain of surplus cash in the world, what do you do with it? This is the roughly $2 trillion dollar question that Chinese central bank officials have to wrestle with. And the problem just keeps getting bigger. For the first three quarters of 2008, China's foreign exchange reserves increased by a whopping $377 billion. That's $10 billion more than the same period in 2007. Why does it continue to buy them? The simple reason is that is has to, because of its exchange rate policy. In order to keep the value of the Chinese yuan from appreciating versus the dollar, China's central bank must buy U.S. dollars in massive quantities. And rather than just sitting on the physical currency - which pays zero interest - it buys foreign securities. What percentage of China's foreign reserves is held in U.S. Treasuries? No one knows for sure, but analysts generally believe the figure could be as high as 70%. That would put China's U.S. debt paper pile at around $1.4 trillion. So what are China's options if it wants to diversify its holdings? The short answer is: not many… not many at all. *China's Investment Options* - All the gold in the world… What about gold? That one's easy: it's estimated that all the physical gold in the world that's ever been produced amounts to roughly 140,000 tons (worth about $4.5 trillion dollars using $1,000 an ounce). About 75% of that is either in coins or jewelry… not available to China, or to any other government. The new gold available each year is miniscule: about 2,600 tons (almost $83 billion dollars worth) of new gold is being mined and refined annually, increasing the total supply by 2% per year. You can see that China's problem - if it wants to invest in goldhttp://www.investmentu.com/IUEL/2009/February/shorting-gold.htmlas a diversification strategy - is that there isn't enough available for sale. 30,000 tons are held in various government central bank vaults. Privately held bullion amount to about 20,000 tons. Any major purchase of gold on the open market - which is where China would have to buy it - would drive up its price. To put this in perspective: China buys enough U.S. treasuries in one month to pay for all the gold mined in a year everywhere in the world. So we can throw gold onto the won't pile… - Other foreign currencies… As of the end of 2008, the value of all Eurodollars in circulation exceeded the value of U.S. dollars. Since then, the Euro has fallen 8% against the dollar. Other world currencies have suffered similar fates. Assuming China sold their dollars and bought a basket of currencies, it would clearly have lost money on its investment. The reason is that the global economic crisis deepened, other countries have flocked to the dollar as the only safe haven investment… driving it up in value against all other comers. This will likely continue to be the case. Another one for the won't pile… - Private Sector Bonds… Way too risky. Most companies have been severely affected by the global economic slowdown. Their balance sheets have decimated credit ratings across the board, reducing much of the available corporate debt to well below investment grade. *Back to Square One* In summary… 1. Will China continue to buy U.S. Treasuries? Yes. - If fact, purchases of U.S. debt by China will likely continue to increase for the foreseeable future, as it continues its policy of propping up the Yuan. By fixing its currency to the dollar and by buying them, it keeps both strong, thereby protecting its investment. 2. What will happen when it stops and starts buying something else? Forget it. - There IS nothing else that's as good of an investment as the U.S.
[obrolan-bandar] Declining Stockpiles in Malaysia Lifts Palm Oil Futures for 2nd Straight Week
February 13, 2009 SHARE THIS PAGE http://www.thejakartaglobe.com/business/article/9613.html# GOOGLEhttp://www.google.com/bookmarks/mark?op=addbkmk=http%3A%2F%2Fwww%2Ethejakartaglobe%2Fhome%2Farticle%2F9613%2Ehtmltitle=Declining%20Stockpiles%20in%20Malaysia%20Lifts%20Palm%20Oil%20Futures%20for%202nd%20Straight%20Week YAHOOhttp://myweb.yahoo.com/myresults/bookmarklet?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww%2Ethejakartaglobe%2Fhome%2Farticle%2F9613%2Ehtml FACEBOOKhttp://www.facebook.com/sharer.php?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww%2Ethejakartaglobe%2Fhome%2Farticle%2F9613%2Ehtmlt=Declining%20Stockpiles%20in%20Malaysia%20Lifts%20Palm%20Oil%20Futures%20for%202nd%20Straight%20Week REDDIThttp://reddit.com/submit?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww%2Ethejakartaglobe%2Fhome%2Farticle%2F9613%2Ehtml STUMBLEUPONhttp://www.stumbleupon.com/submit?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww%2Ethejakartaglobe%2Fhome%2Farticle%2F9613%2Ehtmltitle=Declining%20Stockpiles%20in%20Malaysia%20Lifts%20Palm%20Oil%20Futures%20for%202nd%20Straight%20Week DELICIOUShttp://del.icio.us/post?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww%2Ethejakartaglobe%2Fhome%2Farticle%2F9613%2Ehtmltitle=Declining%20Stockpiles%20in%20Malaysia%20Lifts%20Palm%20Oil%20Futures%20for%202nd%20Straight%20Week Declining Stockpiles in Malaysia Lifts Palm Oil Futures for 2nd Straight Week Singapore. Palm oil futures in Malaysia headed for a second week of gains as stockpiles in the world's second- biggest producer of the commodity dropped to a nine-month low. Output of the vegetable oil in the Southeast Asian country fell in January for a second month to 1.33 million metric tons, the nation's palm oil board said on Wednesday. This cut stockpiles 8.3 percent to 1.83 million tons. The drop in stockpiles moves the industry one more step away from the oversupply situation, said a research report by ECM Libra Capital Sdn. in Kuala Lumpur. April-delivery palm oil gained 0.2 percent to 1,928 ringgit ($533) a metric ton on the Malaysia Derivatives Exchange. Earlier, futures gained as much as 1 percent to 1,945 ringgit. Production of the tropical oil typically peaks in the second half of the year. Wednesday's data shows output likely peaked in November, easing concerns about output exceeding demand during a global recession. Both Malaysia and Indonesia, which control 90 percent of world output, had record production in 2008. Palm oil may average 2,000 ringgit this year on improved supply-demand dynamics, according to an AmResearch report from Kuala Lumpur. Prices have averaged 1,861 ringgit this year. Futures climbed to a four-week high this week after drought damaged soybean crops in South America, the biggest exporters of the vegetable oil crushed from the oilseed. Palm and soybean oils are substitutes. There's an upside to crude palm oil prices if the supply of competing oils tightens, Citigroup Inc. analyst Penny Yaw said on Thursday. Soybean oil futures for March delivery was unchanged at 33.2 cents a pound at 6:03 p.m. Singapore time on Thursday in after-hours trading on the Chicago Board of Trade. That left the commodity 37 percent more expensive than palm, according to Bloomberg data. Palm oil's appeal lies in the substantial discount it trades at compared with soybean oil, said Alvin Tai, an analyst at OSK Research Sdn. in Kuala Lumpur on Thursday. Bloomberg
[obrolan-bandar] Bapepam Jamin Efek Nasabah Sarijaya Kembali
http://economy.okezone.com/index.php/ReadStory/2009/02/10/278/191428/bapepam-jamin-efek-nasabah-sarijaya-kembali * * *JAKARTA* - Badan Pengawas Pasar Modal menjamin nasabah Sarijaya akan mendapatkan kembali efeknya secara utuh. Saat ini tercatat ada 6.743 klaim yang diajukan nasabah. Besok nasabah sudah bisa mengakses efeknya di Sarijaya dan dipastikan sebanyak 6.000 nasabah efeknya akan kembali 100 persen, janji Kepala Bapepam Fuad Rahmany kepada wartawan di Gedung DPR, Senayan, Jakarta, seusai rapat dengan Komisi XI DPR, Selasa (10/2/2009). Sementara untuk sebagian, Fuad menyampaikan, efek nasabah tetap akan diusahakan bisa dikembalikan secara utuh dan tidak akan berkurang. Sedangkan dana nasabah sebesar Rp245 miliar yang digelapkan Herman Rusli diserahkan sepenuhnya kepada Bareskrim Polri yang sedang dalam pengusutan dan penyidikan bersama PPATK. Tidak hanya itu, pihak Bapepam sudah mengantisipasi terjadinya lonjakan nasabah pada Rabu esok di saat akses informasi efek sudah dibuka oleh Sarijaya Permana Sekuritas, baik di pusat dan di cabang. Kita sudah minta bantuan polisi untuk melayani kedatangan nasabah dan termasuk didaerah yang kantor cabangnya sudah tidak aktif lagi, paparnya. Mengingat besok akses informasi efek nasabah sudah bisa diakses dan menghindari terjadinya penumpukan nasabah di satu tempat, para nasabah diimbau untuk tidak panik dan tidak memaksa diri datang pada hari H. Pasalnya akses informasi masih akan dibuka dalam waktu lama. Dalam rapat dengan Komisi XI DPR, Bapepam LK menyampaikan perkembangan verifikasi nasabah Sarijaya Sekuritas yang tercatat rekonsiliasi sudah mencapai 99,6 persen dari klaim 6.743 nasabah yang masuk dengan nilai sekitar Rp1,045 triliun. * (jri) *
Re: [obrolan-bandar] Dokumen verifikasi SP
Kabarnya tidak jadi dikirim via email, tapi pakai pos atau kurir. Tunggu 3 hari lagi 2009/2/11 Marselinus Sujoko ms_joli2...@yahoo.co.id tolong share, ada gak yang sudah trima dokumen hasil verifikasi final SP? -- Berselancar lebih cepat dan lebih cerdas dengan Firefox 3http://sg.rd.yahoo.com/id/search/firefox/mail/signature/*http://downloads.yahoo.com/id/firefox/!
Re: [obrolan-bandar] Teori BD.....Re: Watch List buat hari ini... BD banyak expensesnya...
Coba disini: http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-obama-stimulus5-2009feb05,0,4277303.story On Thu, Feb 5, 2009 at 2:26 PM, jsx_consultant jsx-consult...@centrin.net.id wrote: Liat dimana berita stimulus Obama ditolak ?. Di Bloomberg engga ketemu nih... --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com obrolan-bandar%40yahoogroups.com, ART art_stock...@... wrote: Mbah, stimulus Obama ditolak neh Mohon petunjuk. Kabur? Pak JT, msh tetap pegang TLKM ? Sent from my BlackBerry(R) smartphone from Sinyal Bagus XL, Nyambung Teruuusss...! -Original Message- From: jsx_consultant jsx-consult...@... Date: Thu, 05 Feb 2009 07:04:58 To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com obrolan-bandar%40yahoogroups.com Subject: [obrolan-bandar] Teori BD.Re: Watch List buat hari ini... BD banyak expensesnya... IHSG turun ikut regional, tinggal +2, BUMI 540 dapet... Coba bener engga teori embah: - BUMI naek kalo IHSG turun.. --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com obrolan-bandar%40yahoogroups.com, jsx_consultant jsx- consultant@ wrote: Goreng BUMI paling gampang kalo IHSG minus... --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.comobrolan-bandar%40yahoogroups.com, Rei highwaystar91@ wrote: Hangseng +2.5% Mbah...Singapore juga ijo...pada gak ikut DJ. 2009/2/5 jsx_consultant jsx-consultant@ KLBF Menyangga IHSG melalui SENTIMEN... KLBF +10% saat ini... Naekin TLKM kan GEDE expensenya, jadi cukup TADI PAGI... Goreng KLBF kan murah, malah BD bisa untung. Sedang di TLKM tapi pagi pasti MM rugi, TAPI INI harus dilakukan untuk menciptakan IMAGE bahwa IHSG tidak ngekor DJI.. --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.comobrolan-bandar%40yahoogroups.comobrolan-bandar% 40yahoogroups.com, w | i | d | h | i | e widhie@ wrote: Market cap KLBF kecil, apalagi trx-nya juga relatif kecil, jadi kurang tepat kalau dikatakan untuk menyangga IHSG. Kita ndak tau apa yang sebenarnya terjadi dengan KLBF, tapi beruntunglah buat yang sudah 'mencegat' KLBF sejak tanggal 3 Feb pagi karena saham ini sebenarnya sudah mulai masuk 'radar' WD Watch List edisi 2 Feb (berdasar penutupan market 2 Feb). Tapi untuk kondisi sekarang nampaknya sudah agak rawan untuk masuk, mungkin tunggu koreksi teknikal sejenak agar dapat harga diskon sedikit. Rgds On 2/5/09, M|C michael.cupert@ wrote: Apakah bisa diartikan IHSG sampai sore akan di tahan segini- segini saja mbah ? kalau iya, enak nih gak usah ngliatin running trade, hemat kesehatan mata sejenak.. Salam 2009/2/4, jsx_consultant jsx-consultant@: Perhatikan engga pada waktu pembukaan BD berusaha menahan IHSG pake TLKM, GGRM, KLBF, ADRO dll: BD mengeluarkan EXPENSES yg tidak perlu dikeluarkan Trader.. --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.comobrolan-bandar%40yahoogroups.com obrolan-bandar% 40yahoogroups.com, jsx_consultant jsx- consultant@ wrote: --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.comobrolan-bandar%40yahoogroups.com obrolan-bandar% 40yahoogroups.com, FromBuitenzorg frombuitenzorg@ wrote: Watch List sy kebetulan ADRO, GGRM, dan UNVR(slow but sure)...tapi utk GGRM perlu perhatian krn sewaktu waktu bisa down agak tajam. Regards Saham saham piaraan BD buat index balancing... hehehe... + + + + + + + Mohon saat meREPLY posting, text dari posting lama dihapus kecuali diperlukan agar CONTEXTnya jelas. + + + + + + +Yahoo! Groups Links
Re: [obrolan-bandar] Bapepam: Akuisisi BUMI Terafiliasi
Beritana ko tidak sinkron dengan yg di DetFinance? http://www.detikfinance.com/read/2009/01/20/174805/1071678/6/bapepam-usut-rumor-pasar-soal-akuisisi-bumi 2009/1/20 troyanese troyan...@yahoo.com http://www.inilah.com/berita/ekonomi/2009/01/20/77493/bapepam-- akuisisi-bumi-terafiliasi/ Mangement yang begini dapat penghargaan GCG :D
Re: [obrolan-bandar] Re: [saham] Manajemen BUMI Layak Dipecat Semuanya
Perlu dipikirkan dengan dingin: Adakah yang mau menjual 55% saham DEWA dengan harga Rp.50 ? Kalau ada yang bersedia melepas 55% DEWA dengan harga pasar, BUMI pasti akan membelinya. 2009/1/16 simon bolenang simon_bolen...@yahoo.com Skandal besar ini jangan sampai merusak pasar modal ( modar ) kita. Perlu KPK KPPU sekalian turun tangan, atau dibentuk badan khusus untuk menyelidiki kasus ini, jangan sampai investor menjadi tumbal. Perlu dibatalkan kalau pembelian tsb melanggar aturan pasar modal, apalagi beli dengan harga tidak wajar. --- On *Thu, 1/15/09, Irwan Ariston Napitupulu irwanaris...@gmail.com*wrote: From: Irwan Ariston Napitupulu irwanaris...@gmail.com Subject: [saham] Manajemen BUMI Layak Dipecat Semuanya To: sa...@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, January 15, 2009, 10:59 PM Melihat kinerja harga saham BUMI yang amburadul ditambah dengan aksi korporasi yang aneh belakangan ini, dimana melakukan akuisisi dengan harga yang jauh di atas harga kewajaran, sudah selayaknya manajemen BUMI semuanya dipecat sekaligus. Kalau perlu dipecat dengan tidak hormat. Bagaimana mungkin bisa mengakuisisi perusahaan sekitar 44% saham DEWA secara tidak langsung dengan mengakuisisi 80% saham Zurich Investment yang memiliki 55% saham DEWA dengan harga setara dengan harga DEWA di Rp351 sementara harga pasarnya hanya sekitar Rp50 saja. Orang lulusan SD juga tidak akan sebodoh itu melakukan akuisisi dengan harga yang sangat tidak mencerminkan mendahulukan kepentingan pemegang saham BUMI. Badan investigasi khusus perlu segera dibentuk. Kalau ditemukan fraud, penyalahgunaan wewenang dan jabatan, langsung dipenjarakan saja semua manajemen BUMI. Yang juga jadi pertanyaan adalah bagaimana kontrol dari Komisaris Independen di BUMI yang seharusnya berada di BUMI untuk melindungi kepentingan pemegang saham publik. Hal ini mengingat komisaris independen di BUMI salah satu fungsinya dibentuk adalah menjaga kepentingan pemegang saham publik dan bukan kelompok tertentu. Kalau seandainya komisaris independen ini tidak juga melakukan tindakan-tindakan yang membela kepentingan publik, sebaiknya posisinya dicopot saja dan diganti dengan orang yang memang mau benar-benar dan sungguh-sungguh mengontrol gerakan-gerakan manajemen BUMI agar tidak merugikan kepentingan pemegang saham publik. Bagi saya jauh lebih baik BUMI dipimpin oleh orang lulusan SD saja tapi punya kejujuran yang tinggi ketimbang dipimpin oleh orang berpendidikan tinggi tapi kejujurannya sangat dipertanyakan. jabat erat, Irwan Ariston Napitupulu
Re: [obrolan-bandar] Re: Sarijaya Tidak Akan Laku Dijual (MKBD minus 5,5 triliun)
Ternyata perhitungan MKDB ada rumusnya sendiri. (dari detik Finance) *Jakarta* - PT Sarijaya Permana Sekuritas memiliki nilai Modal Kerja Bersih Disesuaikan (MKBD) minus Rp 5,644 triliun. Salah satunya disebabkan oleh adanya penggelapan dana nasabah oleh Komisaris Utama Sarijaya Herman Ramli sebesar Rp 245 miliar. Hal tersebut diungkapkan Direktur Perdagangan Fix Income dan Derivatif, Keanggotaan dan Partisipan Bursa Efek Indonesia, Guntur Pasaribu saat dihubungi *detikFinance,* Selasa (13/1/2009). Jadi ada formula penghitungan MKBD. Banyak variabel didalamnya, termasuk kerugian dana nasabah yang sebesar Rp 245 miliar itu juga dimasukkan yang kemudian dilakukan perkalian sesuai rumusnya, sehingga hasilnya seperti itu, ujarnya. Guntur menjelaskan, MKBD memiliki metode perhitungan yang berbeda dengan perhitungan aset dan liabilities yang merupakan standar yang telah ditetapkan oleh Badan Pengawas Pasar Modal Lembaga Keuangan (Bapepam-LK). Perhitungan MKBD ada perhitungannya sendiri, standar Bapepam, ada teknisnya. Kalau tidak salah nilai kerugian nasabah yang Rp 245 miliar itu dikalikan 25, sehingga muncul angka sebesar itu, jelas Guntur. Guntur juga menegaskan, angka MKBD Sarijaya yang mencapai minus Rp 5,644 triliun tersebut tidak mengartikan bahwa nilai dana nasabah yang diselewengkan telah membengkak dari jumlah yang diumumkan semula. Nilai dana yang digelapkan tetap Rp 245 miliar. Hanya saja angka itu dikalikan dengan beberapa komponen sesuai rumusnya. Jadi tidak berarti dana yang diselewengkan menjadi Rp 5 triliun. Jumlahnya masih sama. Nilai Rp 5 triliun itu ada perhitungannnya sendiri, jelas Guntur.*(dro/qom)* http://ad.au.doubleclick.net/click%3Bh=v8/37b4/17/63/%2a/d%3B210407669%3B0-0%3B1%3B32000846%3B3724-180/125%3B29626176/29644055/1%3B%3B%7Eokv%3D%3Bclick0%3Dhttp%3A//openx.detik.com/delivery/ck.php%3Foaparams%3D2__bannerid%3D575__zoneid%3D28__cb%3Db3e4dc6f15__maxdest%3D%3Bsite%3Diddetikfinance%3Bsz%3D180x125%3B%7Esscs%3D%3fhttp://openx.detik.com/delivery/ck.php?oaparams=2__bannerid=575__zoneid=28__cb=b3e4dc6f15__maxdest=http://www.uts.edu.au/internationalhttp://openx.detik.com/delivery/ck.php?oaparams=2__bannerid=575__zoneid=28__cb=b3e4dc6f15__maxdest=http://ad.au.doubleclick.net/jump/Universities/UTS;site=iddetikfinance;sz=180x125;ord=123456789? http://openx.detik.com/delivery/ck.php?n=a632e9b5cb=INSERT_RANDOM_NUMBER_HERE http://openx.detik.com/delivery/ck.php?n=a713aec5cb=INSERT_RANDOM_NUMBER_HERE 2009/1/13 jsx_consultant jsx-consult...@centrin.net.id Pak Hansen, Saya rasa angka piutang Sarijaya mencapai 5,5 triliun TIDAK masuk akal. MUSTAHIL, Sarijaya punya CASH nganggur 5,5 triliun dan dipinjam kan pada pihak lain.. Ada yg punya Neraca Sarijaya engga ?. Data dari IDX itu rasanya NGACO BERAT deh... --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com obrolan-bandar%40yahoogroups.com, hansen_61 hansen...@... wrote: Sarijaya tidak akan laku dijual ke investor apa pun. Itu hanya pengalihan perhatian dari pihak otoritas untuk menghilangkan kepanikan investor. Pasalnya, kasus ini ternyata sangat besar dan akan menyeret puluhan broker lainnya. Bayangkan saja, berdasarkan data MKBD harian yang dipublikasikan BEI, MKBD Sarijaya per Senin (12/1) sudah minus 5,5 triliun rupiah. (Silahkan lihat di situs BEI). Padahal, sebelum disuspensi MKBD-nya masih positif 29 miliar. Dari sisi akuntansi sederhana, MKBD minus 5,5 triliun berarti setidaknya Sarijaya punya utang yang berpotensi gagal bayar dengan jumlah yang hampir sama. Jika ada investor baru, dia harus mau membayar kerugian ini. (Apa mungkin V, investor dari antah-berantah itu masih mau?). Kemungkinan kedua adalah, MKBD minus itu 5,5 triliun rupiah itu sebagian berasal dari dana nasabah yang tidak akan mampu dikembalikan Sarijaya. Artinya, kewajiban ini tetap menjadi tanggung jawab investor baru. Dari sisi industri, potensi default sebesar 5,5 triliun rupiah akan merupakan pukulan besar bagi industri sekuritas. Pertanyaannya adalah, dimana eksposure utang Sarijaya yang paling besar? Kemungkinan besar, sama seperti perusahaan sekuritas lainnya, utang yang terancam gagal bayar itu merupakan utang bisnis kepada perusahaan efek lainnya. Jika benar rumor selama ini yang menyebut ada 50-an broker yang terkait maka ini sangat, sangat, sangat mengancam pasar modal secara keseluruhan. Jika 5,5 triliun itu dibagi rata saja terhadap 50-an broker, maka setiap broker akan rugi rata-rata 110 miliar rupiah. Ini jumlah yang sangat besar bagi broker yang saat ini rata-rata MKBD-nya hanya di kisaran 30 miliar rupiah. Hal ini berarti, puluhan broker itu cepat atau lambat pasti akan kesulitan MKBD. Jika pemilik tidak mau top up maka otomatis mereka tidak bisa trading, karena syarat minimal MKBD adalah 25 miliar rupiah. Namun, top up tambaknya akan cukup sulit dilakukan sebab sebelumnya beberapa pemilik perusahaan sekuritas sudah melakukannya. Apakah pemilik yang
[obrolan-bandar] Sarijaya - Investor Baru - No. KSEI
*1. Investor Baru SP * Berbagai pemberitaan media mengatakan ada sejumlah Investor berminat mengambil alih SP (termasuk Direksi SP, Alamsyah). Pertanyaan saya : Apakah berita ini hanya *angin surga* saja yang sedikit menghibur para investor dan sekedar konsumsi wartawan? Apakah pihak BAPPEPAM bisa mengkonfirmasi hal ini? *2. No. KSEI *Apakah kalau sdh ada No. KSEI berarti saham2 para investor aman? Ternyata meski saya sdh punya No.KSEI dan melihat isinya, memang benar daftar saham yg saya miliki, namun *quantity*nya *NOL*, karena saham2 ini dimasukan ke rekening penampungan di SP, katanya sebagai jaminan kredit limit. Saya sendiri belum jelas ttg. soal ini. Saya kira item no.2) diatas sangat penting, karena ada anggapan kalau pegang saham aman, yg penting ada No.KSEI. Nah ternyata dalam agreement pembukaan rekening dengan sekuritas memang katanya ada klausul memberikan kuasa kepada pihak sekuritas untuk menempatkan pada rekening semacam ini dst (detail tidak tahu persis). Klausul baku semacam ini memang sering kali tidak terbaca, walaupun terbaca kalau kita tidak setuju, tentu tidak bisa bikin rekening di perus. Sekuritas. Ada baiknya BAPPEPAM untuk selanjutnya menertibkan kontrak pembuatan rekening antara nasabah dan sekuritas. Apabila kasus SP tidak dapat diselesaikan dengan baik, maka BEI akan *kehilangan ribuan nasabah retail*. Apakah Bappepam dan BEI sudah memonitor berapa penurunan transaksi perdagangan akibat suspensi SP dalam 2 hari perdagangan?
[obrolan-bandar] Kasus SP
Semoga berita ini benar dan dana serta portofolio investor aman * Rekening Nasabah Sarijaya akan Dipindahkan ke Sekuritas Lain* *Jakarta* - Rekening efek para nasabah PT Sarijaya Permana Sekuritas akan dipindahkan ke perusahaan efek lain guna mengamankan uang serta portofolio investasi milik nasabah Sarijaya. Hal ini dikatakan oleh Ketua Bapepam LK Fuad Rahmany ketika ditemui di kantor Menteri Keuangan, Jalan Wahidin Raya, Jakarta, Rabu malam (7/1/2009). Kalau misalnya verifikasi saham dan uang nasabah sudah jelas, oke kita pindahkan ke perusahaan efek lain, mereka tinggal pilih, kan banyak tuh perusahaan efek, nanti supaya aman, jelasnya. Meskipun begitu Fuad mengakui akan sulit untuk melacak keberadaan saham-saham para nasabah Sarijaya pada proses verifikasi yang akan dilakukan. Kita belum tahu nih efek-efeknya ada atau tidak. Kita kan mau tahu dulu caranya mereka menyimpan bagaimana. Kacau nih mereka (Sarijaya), mereka kan melanggar dari aturan kita. Nah kita temukan dari hasil auditnya bursa. Bursa melihat, mencurigai sesuatu. Untung saja, kalau tidak ketahuan kan bisa membesar kayak Bank Century, sampai Rp 1,4 triliun tidak ada yang tahu kan, tuturnya. Dijelaskan Fuad tiap-tiap nasabah perusahaan efek pasti mempunyai rekening efek di perusahaan tempat dia berinvestasi, dan rekening efek tersebut berupa saham dan uang tunai, yang akan dipindahkan ke perusahaan efek lain adalah saham para nasabah Sarijaya. Yang dicuri ini cash-nya. Masing-masing orang mungkin kehilangan cash sedikit-sedikit, tapi 8.000 orang kan totalnya bisa Rp 240 miliar, tiap orang kan ada yang hilang Rp 100 juta atau Rp 20 juta kita nggak tahu juga, ujarnya. Fuad mengatakan kecurigaan Bapepam terhadap penggelapan dana nasabah Sarijaya sudah terjadi sejak 2 atau 3 pekan yang lalu sehingga Bapepam langsung dengan cepat mengambil tindakan bersama dengan BEI (Bursa Efek Indonesia). Kita lakukan due diligence untuk cek sejak kapan penyimpangan ini dilakukan. Nah kita pakai due diligence kalau tidak salah ditunjuk Ernst Young, katanya. Saat ini Fuad juga mengakui sudah mengetahui modus yang dilakukan oleh tersangka Herman Ramli berdasarkan keterangan dari para direksi Sarijaya. Ya diambil dia pakai uangnya, dia bilang pinjam, dia beli untuk macam-macam, dia tidak bisa mengembalikan. Jadi perusahaan disebut sebagai piutang, jadi seolah-olah orang itu berutang dengan perusahaan Rp 240 miliar. Nah ternyata yang 17 rekening ini ternyata HR. HR yang buka, nah disini penyimpangannya. Ketahuan kan dia yang pegang itu duit, berarti dia yang harus mengembalikan duit. Di perusahaan dicatat sebagai piutang. Waktu diaudit piutang ini lama banget, nggak jelas, ini dicek tidak ada piutang itu, memang hilang, paparnya panjang. Otoritas Bursa Efek Indonesia (BEI) telah menghentikan sementara atau suspensi sejak 6 Januari 2009 terhadap anggota bursa (broker) PT Sarijaya Permana Sekuritas karena adanya penyalahgunaan dana nasabah dan pelaporan Modal Kerja Bersih Disesuaikan (MKBD) yang tidak benar. Anggota Bursa dengan kode perdagangan SP tersebut terakhir melaporkan nilai MKBD sebesar Rp 29,318 miliar. Herman Ramli sendiri telah ditahan Bareskrim-Mabes Polri sejak 24 Desember 2008 karena dugaan penggelapan dana nasabah Rp 245 miliar.
Re: [obrolan-bandar] Tolong kirim data BEI: SSXXXX dong....Re: Web Untuk Download Data BEJ berubah?
http://www.idx.web.id/Download_Data/Daily/Stock_First_Trx/ 2008/12/8 jopie santoso [EMAIL PROTECTED] Pak Tolong dong SO081205.DBF,kalau cuman SS081205.DBF CONFMETA saya tdk bisa. Thanks banget --- Martono *[EMAIL PROTECTED]* schrieb am *Mo, 8.12.2008: * Von: Martono [EMAIL PROTECTED] Betreff: Re: [obrolan-bandar] Tolong kirim data BEI: SS dongRe: Web Untuk Download Data BEJ berubah? An: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Datum: Montag, 8. Dezember 2008, 3:49 ini bukan mbah? 2008/12/8 jsx_consultant jsx-consultant@ centrin.net. idjsx-consultant%40centrin.net.id : http:///202. 155.2.90/ download_ data/Daily/ Stock_Summary/http:///202.155.2.90/download_data/Daily/Stock_Summary/udah 3 hari ampe hari ini DOWN Tolong kirimin data data SSXX dong --- In obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. comobrolan-bandar%40yahoogroups.com, Odink [EMAIL PROTECTED] . wrote: web yg baru sangat informatif, melengkapi web lama yg space nya mubazir (dan juga lelet :P) di web yg baru ada info ohlc index beserta volume dan value. untuk stock summary jg lebih lengkap krn sdh disertakan jumlah saham beredar beredar dan yg dibobotkan dalam index, dan data opennya sdh terintegrasi dan gak repot2 merge dengan file SOxx.zip. format filenya sdh csv. data mentah dari web baru: http://202.155. 2.90/download_ data/Superset/http://202.155.2.90/download_data/Superset/ SS jumat maren: http://202.155. 2.90/download_ data/Superset/ S_070720. csvhttp://202.155.2.90/download_data/Superset/S_070720.csv data index jumat: http://202.155. 2.90/download_ data/Superset/ I_070720. csvhttp://202.155.2.90/download_data/Superset/I_070720.csv format field headernya disesuaikan dengan yg di: http://www.jsx. co.id/MarketData /DefinedData/ tabid/166/ Default.aspxhttp://www.jsx.co.id/MarketData/DefinedData/tabid/166/Default.aspx sedangkan yg masih cinta dengan format file lama (SSxx.zip SOxx.zip) bisa jg akses: http:///202. 155.2.90/ download_ data/Daily/ Stock_Summary/http:///202.155.2.90/download_data/Daily/Stock_Summary/ http:///202. 155.2.90/ download_ data/Daily/ Stock_First_ Trx/http:///202.155.2.90/download_data/Daily/Stock_First_Trx/ moga2 akses ke web bej jg tambah kenceng.. heheee malem minggu koq masih ngoprek data.. nasib.. nasib... cari data gretongan :)) On Sat, 21 Jul 2007 23:25:41 +0700, Bambang V Subroto [EMAIL PROTECTED] . wrote: Thanks. Bambang _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] com saham%40yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] com saham%40yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of frans anthony Sent: Saturday, July 21, 2007 11:03 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] com saham%40yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [saham] Web Untuk Download Data BEJ berubah? ada yang bisa bantu? BUAT DOWNLOAD DATA METASTOCK www.jsx.web. id/download_ data/daily/ stock_summary --- Bambang V Subroto [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:esubroto%esubroto%25 40gmail.com com wrote: Teman2, Biasanya aku download data Stock Summary di BEJ lewat alamat ini: http://www.jsx. http://www.jsx. co.id/_dl. asp?cmd=dlhttp://www.jsx.co.id/_dl.asp?cmd=dl co.id/_dl.asp? cmd=dl http://www.jsx. http://www.jsx. co.id/_dl. asp? http://www.jsx.co.id/_dl.asp? cmd=dlid=2 TODIR=CURDIR= /download_ data/daily co.id/_dl.asp? cmd=dlid= 2TODIR= CURDIR=/download _data/daily /Stock_Summary/ id=2TODIR= CURDIR=/ download_ data/daily/ Stock_Summary/ Kenapa sekarang gak bisa?. Situs BEJnya dah berubah tampilannya, alamat di atas gak nemu. ada yang bisa bantu? File stock summary yang baru nampaknya juga gak sama dengan format lama. ada yang bisa bantu? - - -- + + + + + + + Mohon saat meREPLY posting, text dari posting lama dihapus kecuali diperlukan agar CONTEXTnya jelas. + + + + + + +Yahoo! Groups Links
Re: [obrolan-bandar] Tolong kirim data BEI: SSXXXX dong....Re: Web Untuk Download Data BEJ berubah?
sometimes use this : http://www.idx.web.id/Download_Data/Daily/Stock_Summary/ 2008/12/8 jsx_consultant [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com obrolan-bandar%40yahoogroups.com, Martono [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ini bukan mbah? Yup, thanks to pak Martono pak Inderawidi
Re: [obrolan-bandar] Re: OOT : Subjek Pajak Dalam/Luar Negeri
c 1 dlm Peraturan Men Keu No.66/2008 ttg Sunset Policy : Pasal 1 (1) Wajib Pajak orang pribadi yang secara sukarela mendaftarkan diri untuk memperoleh Nomor Pokok Wajib Pajak dalam tahun 2008 dan menyampaikan Surat Pemberitahuan Tahunan Wajib Pajak Orang Pribadi untuk Tahun Pajak 2007 dan sebelumnya, diberikan penghapusan sanksi administrasi berupa bunga atas pajak yang tidak atau kurang dibayar. (2) Wajib Pajak yang dalam tahun 2008 menyampaikan pembetulan: a. Surat Pemberitahuan Tahunan Pajak Penghasilan Wajib Pajak Orang Pribadi sebelum Tahun Pajak 2007: atau b. Surat Pemberitahuan Tahunan Pajak Penghasilan Wajib Pajak Badan sebelum Tahun Pajak 2007, yang mengakibatkan pajak yang masih harus dibayar menjadi lebih besar, diberikan penghapusan sanksi administrasi berupa bunga atas keterlambatan pelunasan kekurangan pembayaran pajak. Bila kita mendaftarkan untuk memperoleh NPWP dalam rangka Sunset Policy, tetap harus mengisi SPT PPh untuk Tahun 2007 dan sebelumnya, tentunya pajak pajak yang terhutang dalam tahun2 2007 dan sebelumnya harus *dibayar. *Karena ikut program Sunset, maka tidak akan dikenakan denda. et.id --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com obrolan-bandar%40yahoogroups.com, Tommy Jayamudita [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yang saya dengar dari orangnya tax consultant, memang asal usul asset tidak diusut dan tidak kena denda, tapi pajak atas kekayaan yang diperoleh atau penghasilan tahun berjalan tetap harus bayar. Jadi bukan sudah dilaporkan lalu selesai, yang tidak dikenakan adalah dendanya. Tolong di-cross check lagi. Sunset Policy untuk Denda dan Bunga tapi Assetnya tetap kena...
Re: [obrolan-bandar] Pajak Penghasilan dr Trading Saham
Sebagaimana dengan Deposito dan Tabungan, dimana PPh atas bunga Deposito dan tabungan adalah bersifat FINAL, demikian pula PPh atas transaksi penjualan saham (0.1%) juga bersifat FINAL. (catatan : PPh = Pajak Penghasilan, bukan pajak penjualan !) Jadi dalam SPT tahunan PPh WP Pribadi dapat dicantumkan dalam Lampiran III (Penghasilan Yang Dikenakan Pajak Final). Sementara PPh atas *Dividen **belum bersifat final*, jadi harus digabungkan dengan penghasilan lain (mis gaji atau dr usaha lain), dalam Lampiran I, bagian C. Disitu tercantum Penghasilan dalam negeri lainnya, antara lain Dividen,Sewa dll 2008/12/2 JOsh WaiKIKI [EMAIL PROTECTED] temen2 saya tanya ... Apakah Penghasilan dari trading saham dikenai pajak? atau apakah pajak penjualan saham yg kita bayar ke broker sudah final? thx
Re: [obrolan-bandar] Re: USDIDR = 11550 ? (bloomberg)
RUPIAH: weaker this morning as there are plans to force reporting to the tax office every purchase of FX in excess of USD 10,000. I guess since implementation date not certain yet, many are rushing to buy USD now. This will pass, but is causing a short-term spike. Rupiah now at 11,675 2008/11/12 bejwatch [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mungkin ada hubungannya dengan rencana dirjen pajak mewajibkan pencantuman NPWP untuk pembelian USD 10rb.
Re: [obrolan-bandar] Re: PUSinnGG baca email di OB yg buanyaak banget..
Yang pakai Gmail lumayan tertolong, karena mail dg subject yang sama akan digabung. Jd bagi yg punya account Gmail, mail dari OB bs dibuka via gmail. 2008/11/6 sylar_fang [EMAIL PROTECTED] .. mbah ... khusus untuk milist sbaikna kita menggunakan email tersendiri ... dan ane kl baca milist ob tdk pernak via email ... tapi via groups.yahoo.com/group/obrolan-bandar kl ada attachment baru ane buka email ane tsb ... :) --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com obrolan-bandar%40yahoogroups.com, jsx_consultant [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com obrolan-bandar%40yahoogroups.com, mahamerubiru mahamerubiru@ wrote: milis OB emang tambah maju pesat.. tp saya jd tambah pusing tiap buka email.. buannnyaak banget.. Embah akan berusaha lebih keras lagi mengatasi hal ini. Percayalah, ini akan ditangani secara serius. Embah juga mohon kepada rekan rekan agar mengurangi posting yg TIDAK terlalu perlu agar milis lebih nyaman...
[obrolan-bandar] Fwd: Obama wins Pennsylvania
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Re: [obrolan-bandar] Laporan keuangan apa yang akan keluar nanti malam di US?
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[obrolan-bandar] Taiwan Government: To Cut Stock Market Daily Fall Limit To 3.5% Vs 7%
TAIPEI -(Dow Jones)- The Taiwan government said Sunday it will cut the stock market's daily decline limit to 3.5% from 7%, from Monday through Oct. 17 in order to stabilize the local market. http://clk.atdmt.com/INV/go/mrnngfsi0110001141inv/direct/01/ The daily rise limit will remain at 7%, Financial Supervisory Commission Chairman Gordon Chen. The U.S. stock market had a rare plunge on Oct. 10 and Asian markets, like Singapore, Hong Kong and Japan fell more than 7%, so Taiwan is taking measures to boost the stock market, said Chen. The government also extended the ban on short-selling until the end of the year, he said. The government will also let the National Stabilization Fund to continue supporting the market, said Minister of Finance Lee Sush-der. The Weighted Price Index of the Taiwan Stock Exchange fell 75.69 points, or 1.45%, Thursday, to 5130.71, its lowest close since 5095.31 seen on July 3, 2003. Markets were closed Friday for a national holiday.
Re: [obrolan-bandar] USD/IDR tembus 10000!
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[obrolan-bandar] Indonesia looking to bolster currency - bank
ROME, June 26 (Reuters) - Indonesia is prepared to employ a series of steps to buoy its currency, Bank Indonesia's second in command said on Thursday. We would like to enhance, we would like to appreciate our currency, Budi Mulya, the deputy governor of Bank Indonesia, told reporters ahead of a meeting of Asian and European central bankers. We will no doubt use all our monetary instruments, not only interest rate but also try to stabilise the currency as well as stock up liquidity because interest rates will not be enough to address this inflation, the majority of which is from the supply side, he added. The archipelago has already raised interest rates by 25 basis points this month after inflation shot up to 10 percent on the back of an increase in subsidised fuel prices. Central banks in Asia are struggling to decide how to fight off inflation without hampering growth. After dallying for months, many central banks have been caught out by a sudden surge in commodity prices. (Reporting by Phil Stewart, writing by Marc Jones; Editing by Jonathan Oatis)
[obrolan-bandar] Reksa Mega Dana Saham
6 Mei NAV = 1155.60 Monthly yield 23.26% 7 Mei NAV = 1268.53 Monthly yield 29.70% Yield tertinggi diantara semua Reksadana saham. Highest NAV pd tgl 14 Jan08 = 1405.06 NAV kemarin 10% dibawah NAV tertinggi Komposisi portofolio (2 mei 2008, dari Bapepam-LK) : 1. UNSP 2. SGRO 3. TINS 4. PTBA 5. LSIP 6. MEDCO 7. ASII 8. BUMI 9. ITMG 10. UNTR (tidak ada Banking) ternyata kemarin naik semua.
[obrolan-bandar] Indonesia's Indofood says Q1 net profit more than doubled
JAKARTA, April 29 (Reuters) - The world's largest instant noodle maker, PT Indofood Sukses Makmur Tbk INDF.JK, on Tuesday said that first-quarter net profit more than doubled due to strong consumer demand. Indofood, which is controlled by the Salim family through Hong Kong-listed First Pacific Co Ltd (0142.HK: Quote, Profile, Research), reported that January-March net profit rose to 382.93 billion rupiah ($41.5 million), up 116 percent from a year ago. Net sales jumped 51.8 percent to 8.85 trillion rupiah. Indofood, which has a market capitalisation of $2.2 billion, controls two of the world's largest flour millers through its unit, Bogasari Flour Mills. Indonesians are among the world's biggest consumers of instant noodles, getting through an average of 60 packs per person a year.
[obrolan-bandar] AKRA reports strong Q 1’08 results- net profit grows 92% to Rp 83.8 billion
[obrolan-bandar] ALERT-CIMB downgrades Indonesian telecoms
JAKARTA, April 29 (Reuters) - Malaysian investment bank CIMB has downgraded Indonesia's telecommunication sector to underweight from neutral on concerns about rising competition in the industry. CIMB said in a report that it had also cut the recommendation on Indonesia's largest telecommunication company, PT Telekomunikasi Indonesia Tbk (Telkom)TLKM.JK to underweight from neutral and reduced its target price to 8,100 rupiah ($0.879) from 11,300 rupiah. The investment bank also cut the target price for Indonesia's second-largest mobile operator, PT Indosat Tbk ISAT.JK, to 5,900 rupiah from 6,700 rupiah. We believe Indonesia's telecom sector is undergoing a structural shift from high tariffs-low usage to low tariffs-high usage, CIMB said in the report. Telkom controls 65 percent of PT Telekomunikasi Selular (Telkomsel), the largest mobile operator in the country with a more than 50 percent market share. We believe Telkomsel and Indosat are not prepared for this, and there networks will be congested in the coming quarters, the bank added. The number of cellular phone subscribers in Indonesia has been growing rapidly in recent years and is expected to reach 120 million by the end of this year from around 90 million in 2007. Despite the strong growth, the penetration rate in the country is relatively low at only about a third of the population compared to regional peers like Malaysia which has around 80 percent penetration rate and 60 percent in Thailand. But with around a dozen operators serving the market, the competition has intensified recently resulting in tariff cuts in recent months. ($1=9,215 rupiah) (Reporting by Harry Suhartono, editing by Ed Davies)
Re: [obrolan-bandar] Menit 2 terakhir beli BC non BUMI
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[obrolan-bandar] 2007, Laba Bank Bukopin Naik 18,24%
Minggu, 30 Maret 2008 - 10:46 wib M Budi Santosa - Okezone JAKARTA - Pertumbuhan kredit yang signifikan dan naiknya dana pihak ketiga sebagai hasil penetrasi pasar dan promosi yang agresif, berdampak positif terhadap kinerja PT Bank Bukopin Tbk (Bank Bukopin). Hal ini tercermin dari laba sebelum pajak per 31 Desember 2007 (telah diaudit) yang naik 18,24 persen menjadi Rp543,57 miliar, dibandingkan periode yang sama tahun sebelumnya sebesar Rp459,73 miliar. Demikian diungkapkan Direktur Utama Bank Bukopin, Glen Glenardi, dalam siaran pers yang diterima okezone, Minggu (30/3/2008). Konsistensi dalam pencapaian kinerja operasional yang baik ini diperoleh dengan tetap mengembangkan fokus bisnis utama di bidang usaha mikro, kecil, menengah dan koperasi (UMKMK), konsumer serta komersial, dengan tetap menjaga asas prudential banking. Peningkatan laba yang berhasil kami capai ini menunjukkan tren pertumbuhan yang cukup menjanjikan, mengingat kondisi ekonomi makro yang menantang pada sebagian besar tahun 2007 lalu., ungkap Glen. Pencapaian laba tersebut didorong oleh naiknya pendapatan bunga bersih sebesar 4,86 persen menjadi Rp1,280 triliun, serta meningkatnya pendapatan operasional non-bunga (fee based income) sebesar 56,26 persen menjadi Rp273,69 miliar. Hal ini tentunya mengindikasikan bahwa kondisi profitabilitas Bank Bukopin berada dalam tingkatan yang sehat, yang didukung oleh kualitas aktiva produktif yang baik serta pengendalian atas biaya dana pihak ketiga. Kontribusi pendapatan fee based ini berasal dari transaksi valuta asing, pendapatan atas transaksi surat berharga, serta disusul oleh pendapatan dari jasa-jasa perbankan, antara lain pengelolaan rekening, pendapatan dari bisnis kartu, jasa ATM, bank garansi, dan transaksi ekspor-impor (trade finance). Sementara itu, dari sisi total aset per 31 Desember 2007 tercatat sebesar Rp34,455 triliun, naik 9,13 persen dibandingkan tahun sebelumnya, terutama didorong oleh melonjaknya pertumbuhan dana pihak ketiga sebesar 17,94 persen dari Rp24,848 triliun menjadi Rp29,305 triliun. Peningkatan DPK ini terjadi di semua jenis dana, dengan kenaikan terbesar pada tabungan (48,48 persen), deposito (20,14 persen), dan giro (6,71 persen). Total Ekuitas hingga akhir tahun 2007 juga mengalami kenaikan sebesar 17,79 persen dari Rp1,668 triliun menjadi Rp1,965 triliun. Sementara untuk komposisi kredit sampai saat ini telah sejalan dengan yang ditargetkan, dimana kredit kepada usaha-usaha Mikro, Kecil dan Menengah (UMKM) memberikan kontribusi lebih dari 60 persen terhadap total kredit. Ekspansi kredit di tahun 2007 mencerminkan bahwa Bank Bukopin tetap berkomitmen untuk menjalankan fungsi intermediasi secara konsisten. Loan to deposit ratio (LDR) mengalami peningkatan menjadi 65,26 persen dibandingkan periode yang sama sebelumnya sebesar 58,86 persen. Rasio kecukupan modal (CAR) terjaga pada level 12,75 persen. ROA dan ROE masing-masing mencapai angka 1,63 persen dan 22,34 persen. (mbs)
[obrolan-bandar] Laba Darma Henwa Tumbuh 203%
Minggu, 30 Maret 2008 - 11:54 wib Hadi Suprapto - Okezone JAKARTA - Perusahaan jasa pertambangan, PT Darma Henwa Tbk mebukukan laba bersih pada tahun buku 2007 sebesar USD8,7 juta. Laba bersih ini naik 203 persen dari tahun sebelumnya sebesar USD2,9 juta. Peningkatan profitabilitas 2007 ini didorong oleh pertumbuhan pendatapan perseroan yang mencapai USD226 juta atau naik 32 persen dari tahun sebelumnya, kontribusi terbesar berasal dari jasa pertambangan sebesar 84 persen dari pendapatan, disusul pendapatan jasa pemasaran dan konsultasi yang mencapai 16 persen, kata Presiden Direktur Darma Henwa A Kunwibowo dalam keterangan tertulis yang diterima okezone di Jakarta, Minggu (30/3/2008). Pertumbuhan profitabilitas yang lebih tinggi antara lainnya telah membantu meningkatkan net profit margin menjadi 3,84 persen pada Desember 2007 dari 1,68 persen tahun sebelumnya. Walaupun biaya bahan bakar, yang merupakan komponen terbesar dari struktur biaya perseroan, mengalami tekanan yang cukup tinggi, beban usaha perseroan masih terkendali pada level USD180 juta, meningkat 19 persen bila dibandingkan dengan posisi tahun 2006. Pendapatan jasa pertambangan berasal dari proyek di Bengalon. Selama tahun 2007, perseroan telah melakukan pengangkutan batu bara ke pelabuhan (coal hauling) sebesar 5,7 metrik ton (Mt), sementara tahun 2006 sebesar 5,6 Mt. Perseroan juga telah melakukan pemindahan lapisan penutup (overburden removal) sebesar 48,6 miliar kubik ton (bcm), yang pada tahun 2006 sebesar 44,2 bcm. (mbs)
Re: [obrolan-bandar] IHSG: psychological TA
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[obrolan-bandar] Indonesia's Bank Mandiri 2007 profit up 80 pct
JAKARTA, March 12 (Reuters) - Indonesia's largest lender, PT Bank Mandiri Tbk BMRI.JK, on Wednesday reported an 80 percent rise in 2007 profit, below analysts' forecasts. The state-owned lender said in a statement that full-year net profit was 4.35 trillion rupiah ($474.5 million), compared with 2.42 trillion rupiah a year earlier. Analysts had forecast a net profit of 4.44 trillion rupiah. Indonesia's banks are lending aggressively to businesses and consumers with loan growth of 25.5 percent last year, up from 14 percent in 2006. Demand for loans has picked up as the central bank steadily cut its benchmark interest rate in response to lower inflation. Bank Mandiri was hit by bad debt problems in 2005, but has since cleaned up its balance sheet and reduced its non performing loans. ($1=9168 Rupiah)
[obrolan-bandar] Indonesia BCA Q4 profit flat, sees slower loan growth
By Adriana Nina Kusuma JAKARTA, March 12 (Reuters) - PT Bank Central Asia Tbk BBCA.JK, Indonesia's number two bank, showed a 0.7 percent rise in fourth-quarter net profit, based on Reuters calculations, and said loan growth would slow in 2008 due to economic uncertainty. We don't see high credit growth this year due to global economic volatility, Jahja Setiaatmadja, vice president director, told reporters. BCA's said lending rose 34.1 percent in 2007 -- beating loan growth of 25.5 percent for the entire Indonesian banking sector, and far higher than Bank Mandiri's BMRI.JK 18 percent increase or Bank Danamon's BDMN.JK 24 percent rise. Setiaatmadja said the bank aims to extend new loans of between 14-16 trillion rupiah this year, implying loan growth of 17-19 percent. BCA, 51 percent controlled by Farindo Investments, made a fourth-quarter net profit of 1.13 trillion rupiah, up from 1.12 trillion rupiah a year ago, according to Reuters calculations based on the reported full-year and nine-month results. The Hartono family, which owns Indonesia's third-largest tobacco company Djarum, has a controlling interest in Farindo. On Wednesday, BCA reported full-year net profit of 4.5 trillion rupiah, up from 4.24 trillion rupiah in 2006. Analysts polled by Reuters Estimates had forecast that BCA, which has total assets of 218 trillion rupiah, would report full-year net profit of 4.60 trillion rupiah, which implied fourth-quarter net profit of 1.24 trillion rupiah. Net interest income at the bank, which has a market capitalisation of around $9 billion, inched up 0.13 percent to 2.44 trillion rupiah in the fourth quarter, based on Reuters calculations. Net interest margin fell to 6.1 percent, from 7.2 percent a year earlier, while net non-performing loans decreased to 0.2 percent from 0.3 percent. Indonesia's central bank has gradually cut its benchmark rate, known as BI rate BIPG, to 8 percent as of the end of last year, from 9.5 percent in January 2007 as inflationary pressure in Southeast Asia's largest economy subsided. BCA's share price rose 40.4 percent last year, lagging a 52 percent jump in the stock index .JKSE, but beating a 26 percent rise in the financial sub-index .JKFINA of the Indonesia Stock Exchange Index. Since the start of the year, BCA's shares have fallen 3.4 percent, while the broader index has dropped 6.9 percent and the financial sub-index has lost 9.1 percent. (Writing by Harry Suhartono and Andreas Ismar, editing by Sara Webb)
[obrolan-bandar] UPDATE 1-Indonesia's Mandiri Q4 net profit drops 3.3 pct
JAKARTA, March 12 (Reuters) - Indonesia's largest lender, PT Bank Mandiri Tbk BMRI.JK, showed a surprise 3.3 percent drop in fourth-quarter net profit, according to Reuters calculations, which the bank said reflected a sharp rise in operating expenses. But Mandiri said it would stick to its earlier loan growth target of 22 percent for this year, even though the Indonesian government has lowered its economic growth forecast for 2008 due to higher oil prices. Mandiri's fourth-quarter net profit fell to 1.19 trillion rupiah ($130 million), from 1.23 trillion rupiah a year ago, according to Reuters calculations based on the bank's reported 2007 results and its nine-month results. Pahala Mansury, Mandiri's chief financial officer, said the bank's operating expenses jumped 50.6 percent in the fourth quarter from a year ago, but did not give details. He also said that the bank had to pay higher tax in 2007 after it recovered bad loans from one of its customers. The state-owned bank said in a statement that lending grew nearly 18 percent in 2007, less than for the overall banking industry. Total assets increased 19.28 percent to 319.1 trillion rupiah, representing some 16 percent of the total in Indonesia's banking sector. Indonesia's banks have been lending aggressively to businesses and consumers, with industry loan growth increasing to 25.5 percent last year from 14 percent in 2006. Demand for loans has picked up as the central bank steadily cut its benchmark interest rate in response to lower inflation. Mandiri reported full-year net profit of 4.35 trillion rupiah in 2007, up 80 percent from 2.42 trillion rupiah a year ago. Analysts had expected the lender to book a full-year net profit of 4.44 trillion rupiah, which implied a quarterly net profit of 1.28 trillion rupiah. Bank Mandiri was hit by bad debt problems in 2005, but has since cleaned up its balance sheet and reduced its non performing loans. The bank said net non performing loans dropped sharply to 1.5 percent last year from 5.9 percent at the end of 2006, far below the central bank's requirement of 5 percent. Mandiri's net interest income in the three months to Dec. 31 rose 8.15 percent to 3.10 trillion rupiah, while net interest margin rose to 5.2 percent, from 4.7 percent a year ago. Indonesia's central bank has gradually cut its benchmark rate, known as BI rate BIPG to 8 percent as of the end of last year, from 9.5 percent in January 2007 as inflationary pressure in Southeast Asia's largest economy subsided. Mandiri's share price fell 0.7 percent to 3,500 rupiah in the last three months of 2007, reflecting concerns over the health of the global financial market, while the benchmark stock index .JKSE jumped 16.4 percent in the same period. Since the start of the year, Mandiri's share price has dropped 10 percent, underperforming a 6.9 percent drop in the benchmark index, and 9.1 percent fall in the financial sub-index. (Writing by Harry Suhartono, editing by Sara Webb)
[obrolan-bandar] UBS ups coal price forecasts on supply crunch
Mon Mar 3, 2008 7:39pm EST Email | Print | Share | Reprints | Single Page| Recommend (0) [-] Text [+] powered by Sphere Sphere Market News Stocks flat as Alcoa, Exxon rise; Nasdaq falls Thornburg Mortgage plunges on bankruptcy worry Barnes Noble drops after outlook More Business Investing News... Featured Broker sponsored link Money Center ¥ € $ - Learn. Practice. Trade. SYDNEY, March 4 (Reuters) - UBS has raised its forecasts for contract prices of coal for power plants and steel mills in 2008, citing an unprecedented tightness in global coal markets after recent supply disruptions among key exporters. Japanese utilities, such as Chubu Electric Power Co (9502.T: Quote, Profile, Research), may need to pay miners in Australia $130 a tonne for coal contracts in fiscal 2008 beginning April, up 134 percent from last year's agreed $55.65, UBS said in a research note issued on Monday. UBS had previously forecast 2008 thermal coal prices at $100 a tonne. UBS said contract price for coking coal, used to make steel, is expected to reach a record high of $225 a tonne, up 130 percent from the agreed price of $98 last year. Supply availability to key Asian consumers, hit by extreme weather events in Australia and China as well as continued doubts over South African exports, has worsened at a unprecedented rate, Glyn Lawcock, UBS head of resources research, said in the report. This has consolidated pricing power further in the hands of producers just as benchmark contract negotiations come closer to conclusion in both the coking and thermal coal markets. Key drivers for thermal coal prices include falling exports from China and South Africa as well as port and rail bottlenecks in Australia, Lawcock said. Lawcock said exports from China, which has suspended thermal coal exports until April following severe power shortages across the country in January, was likely to fall below 40 million tonnes in 2008. We anticipate a seaborne market deficit of some 14 million tonnes in 2008 and would suggest that, given recent exacerbations of supply dislocations, risk to that number remains to the upside, he said. UBS has forecast 2009 prices for thermal and metallurgical coal at $125 a tonne and $165 a tonne respectively. Lawcock said coking coal prices were expected to ease next year as producers in eastern Australia resume shipments. Australia is the world's largest exporter of coking coal. Extreme weather in coal-rich Queensland state in the past two months have prompted six producers, including BHP Billiton Ltd (BHP.AX: Quote, Profile, Research)(BLT.L: Quote, Profile, Research), Rio Tinto Ltd (RIO.AX: Quote, Profile, Research)(RIO.L: Quote, Profile, Research), Xstrata Plc (XTA.L: Quote, Profile, Research), to declare force majeure on shipments. BHP has indicated that coking coal production in 2008 could be down by as much as 8-9 million tonnes, representing about 3-4 percent of global coking coal supply. Updated forecasts for '08 Asia coal contract price -- BANK THERMALMETALLURGICAL UBS$130$225 Macquarie $125$225 Goldman Sachs JB Were $110$200 Citigroup $100$200 JP Morgan $90$140 Merrill Lynch $80$140 National Australia Bank $78$130 (Reporting by Fayen Wong) + + + + + + + Mohon saat meREPLY posting, text dari posting lama dihapus kecuali diperlukan agar CONTEXTnya jelas. + + + + + + + Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/obrolan-bandar/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/obrolan-bandar/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[obrolan-bandar] Lippo Bank net profit up 46%
JAKARTA, Feb 27 (Reuters) - Following are the results of PT Bank Lippo Tbk LPBN.JK for the 12 month ended December 2007. (in billions of rupiah unless stated otherwise) 2007 2006 Net profit 737.91 506.86 Net interest income 1,862.72 1,647.03 Operating Income 1,117.05 903.08 Earnings per share (rupiah) 188.45 129.44 NOTE - Mid-sized Bank Lippo is controlled by Malaysian state investment agency Khazanah Nasional Bhd. It has a total assets of around 39 trillion rupiah ($4.29 billion) and a market capitalisation of $807.2 million. ($1=9,082 rupiah) (Reporting by Nury Sybli, editing by Ed Davies)
Re: [obrolan-bandar] THANKS for BOZZZ
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[obrolan-bandar] Dow Fut
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Re: [obrolan-bandar] STI +400an?
lihat disini : http://www.investasiaonline.com/ 2008/1/22 Johan [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Tolong konfirmasi, saya liat di ebursa index STI + 400 an?apa benar? __ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs
[obrolan-bandar] EU considers banning the import of certain fuel crops
From : International Herald Tribune Published: January 14, 2008 *PARIS http://www.iht.com/articles/2008/01/14/business/biofuels.php#:* In a sign of shifting attitudes toward biofuels, European Union officials are proposing to ban imports of certain fuel crops whose production could do more harm than good in fighting climate change, according to a draft law seen Monday. The proposals, to be unveiled next week, are aimed at enhancing the environmental credentials of biofuels like biodiesel or ethanol to counter concerns that European drivers are playing a role in destroying wetlands, forests and grasslands in areas like Southeast Asia or Latin America each time they fill up their tanks. In its draft, the EU requires that biofuels from crops grown on some kinds of land covered in forest, wetlands and grasslands as of January 2008 should be banned for use in the 27-nation bloc. The commission also would require that biofuels used in Europe should deliver a minimum level of greenhouse gas savings. The text, which could change before European commissioners meet Jan. 23 to adopt a final version, also emphasizes that areas like rainforests and lands with high levels of biodiversity should not be converted to growing biofuels. At the same time, the EU does not want to abandon biofuels because of the contribution they could still make to increasing Europe's energy independence. The problem is that we have no alternative to oil at the moment, and 90 percent of our transport in Europe depends on oil, making us extremely vulnerable to foreign supplies, said Ferran Tarradellas Espuny, the spokesman for the EU energy commissioner, Andris Piebalgs. Europe is drafting its rules on biofuels amid rising prices for gasoline and diesel and growing worries about climate change across the world. In recent years, a number of countries have started growing and using fuels produced from plants or agricultural waste. In the United States, ethanol produced from corn has boomed, as has sugar-cane ethanol in Brazil. In Europe and to a lesser extent in the United States, vegetable oils have been converted into a type of diesel fuel by a simple chemical procedure. In principle, these biofuels promise not only to displace imported oil but also to lower the amount of greenhouse gases being dumped into the atmosphere. The crops absorb carbon dioxide, the main greenhouse gas, as they grow, and the fuels made from them re-emit that same gas when they are burned a few months later. But it is turning out that fuel crops hold the potential for considerable environmental harm. Not only is native vegetation, including tropical rain forest, being chopped down in some cases to plant the crops, but the crops also are often grown using fossil fuels like diesel for tractors - and they demand nitrogen fertilizer made largely with natural gas. Moreover, turning the crops into fuels can demand huge amounts of water. Experts say certain types of fuels, particularly those made from agricultural wastes, still hold potential to improve the environment. But it is only now becoming clear that to achieve that goal, governments will have to set and enforce standards for how the fuels are produced. With its new proposal, Europe appears to be moving ahead of the rest of the world in that task. In part that is because biofuels - a blanket term covering fuels grown from crops to manufacture substitutes for diesel and gasoline - are the main weapon foreseen by the EU to lower emissions from the transport sector, which has the fastest growing levels of greenhouse gases among all sectors of its economy. The increasingly negative image of biofuels has left officials pulled in separate directions - on the one hand trying to clean up the market for biofuels that cause environmental damage while, on the other hand, seeking to rehabilitate biofuels to meet ambitious greenhouse gas emissions targets that have made Europe a world leader in tackling climate change. The draft EU rules probably would have the biggest effect on growers of palm oil in countries like Malaysia and Indonesia, according to Matt Drinkwater, a biofuels analyst with New Energy Finance in London. Some proposed developments in Southeast Asia will almost certainly be blocked by these provisions, he said, explaining that the rules would make it much harder to plant on recently cleared land or export fuels to Europe that emit significant amounts of greenhouse gases produced during the process of manufacturing biodiesel from palm oil. Growers of crops to produce ethanol - a substitute for gasoline that is more commonly used in the United States than in Europe - also could be affected because the EU rules contain previsions on preserving grasslands, said Drinkwater. Crops for ethanol are grown widely in parts of South America, including Brazil.
[obrolan-bandar] Headlines dari Yosefardi.com
Ada *Headlines* menarik dr website ini : *Bakrie Family Consolidation of Assets *Today, all Bakrie family-related listed companies announced audited financial reports for 10 months of 2007. This is unusual. Why? What's the relationship with Bakrie Brothers' plan to consolidate Bakrie family ownership in these companies? Listed companies controlled by Bakrie Family have announced audited financial performance for the period of Jan-Oct 2007 without comparison of the similar period in 2006. But overall, these companies have reported somewhat so-so performance from operations point of view. http://www.yosefardi.com/web/page.php?detail=1id=1210 *Tariff cut on telephone Telco stocks* By the end of this month government will issue a decree which cut significantly telephone cost by 10%-30%. What will be its impacts to revenue stream of telco companies and their stocks? (Saya tidak berlangganan, hanya baca headlines saja)
Re: [obrolan-bandar] Re: Akses Informasi (Berbahaya bagi OB !!!)
Embah, bagaimana kalau OB mempelopori penggunaan Bahasa Indonesia, untuk tiap posting (maap, bhs asing). Tentunya hal ini sedikit banyak bs membantu ungkapan2 yang tidak senonoh yg banyak dipakai di bhs Inggris (fuck etc.) On Jan 7, 2008 11:50 AM, jsx_consultant [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kang Ocoy, Tadi pagi udah saya jawab protest Pak Veter... IT IS DONE... Kita hentikan diskusi tentang EL... please --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com obrolan-bandar%40yahoogroups.com, kang_ocoy_maen_saham [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kmaren dulu Elaine Jr udah rada sopanan... ko skrg mpoknya dateng trus kumat lg yeh... gini aja deh.. we all just consider Elaine as Nil Factor or Zero (0) multiplier... jadi mo dia ngomong apa tinggal kita kali multiplier 0 ini aja... Elaine says XXX = XXX * 0 = 0 Elaine says ZZZ = ZZZ * 0 = 0 Elaine says xyz = xyz * 0 = 0 she can stays here as she brought adversities to the whole member here... tp ya itu, kalo udah keterlaluan, factor her words with the zero multiplier... she's a zero anyway, unreal, unexist, anonymous... an alter ego... but i think its okay to be anonymous in this forum for some particular reason.. nah coba elaine dan aimee suruh komen bareng sayah penasaran kaya apa tuh... --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com obrolan-bandar%40yahoogroups.com, soni beken sonibeken@ wrote: Saya setuju dengan apa yang ditulis oleh Pak Veter. Setiap postingan harus bermanfaat bukan tempat sumpah serapah yang tidak berdasar. Apa lagi dengan Nama samaran jangan seenaknya saja kirim posting2. Karena itu saya dukung dirobah/ registrasi ulang para member,apabila yang kirim posting harus dengan Nama Sebenarnya supaya member lain tahu siapa yang kirim. jangan berlindung dibalik alibi Takut dikenakan insider trading apabila kirim postingan. Saya sendiripun akan memakai nama asli saya. Wassalam. Veter jhon_veter@ wrote: To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com obrolan-bandar%40yahoogroups.com From: Veter jhon_veter@ Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2008 08:51:03 +0700 Subject: [obrolan-bandar] Re: Akses Informasi (Berbahaya bagi OB !!!) Dear ALL, Bagi saya postingan Elaine terakhir-terakhir ini terlalu…. Terlalu provoaktif, sangat-sangat tidak mendidik. Semua orang bisa memberikan pendapat dan argument tapi TOLONG dengan bahasa yang sopan dan ada ALASAN…. Jadi kita bisa diskusi. Jangan sampai milis kita ini Cuma jadi tempat orang sumpah serapah…. Please where is our ethics, Jangan mentang-mentang NAMA SAMARAN bisa ngomong semaunya. NB : Mbah sebagai moderator mohon lakukan tugasnya sekarang. Salam hangat JV Posted by: Elaine orkaybgt@ Sun Jan 6, 2008 11:33 am (PST) A true example of the market. I love you, I do. It is you that I need the most. You are the RIGHT person to me. Honey, you don't need to learn about anything, just do whatever your broker tells you to do. After that you can go fuck yourself. LOL. Hey, listen to this mp3 first. hillarious. I'm sure you'll love the f word. I use this word only to friends. You are my friends. :) *EL* On Jan 7, 2008 1:52 AM, abdulrahim abdulrahim abdul.rahman.rahim@ wrote: Pak DE, saya kembali ke posting Anda yang ini. Anda bilang, modal itu bukan hanya berupa uang, tapi berupa akses informasi juga. Informasi apa aja sih yang dibutuhkan untuk menjaadi untuk trader/ investor yang berjaya? Thanks On Jan 6, 2008 5:59 PM, Dean Earwicker dean.earwicker@dean.earwicker%40gmail.com wrote: Kalau pengamatan saya, semakin volatile market, semakin dikit yang posting. Kenapa? Karena volatile market = ketidakpatian arah. Mungkin banyak trader sekarang yang pindah haluan jadi investor, atau masuk ke reksadana. Did you know, komunitas trader tidak secara langsung didukung oleh pemerintah/bapepam, karena kita tahu sifat trader adalah oportunis. Pemerintah inginnya BEI sebagai wadah INVESTASI, bukan SPEKULASI. BUMN banyak IPO untuk cari uang, bukan bagi-bagi uang. Kalaupun didukung kayanya banyakan dikerjainnya (!) Nah, para pendekar yang menghilang ini mungkin kedapatan salam tempel untuk agenda ini, entah bagaimana caranya, saya nggak ngerti. Tahun ini banyak sekali produk investasi yang mungkin launching, bahkan ada juga yangportfolionya terdiri dari saham-saham eksotik dan listed di wallstreet. NAH, produk ini perlu diisi (belanja). Duit sudah siap. Tinggal pinter-pinternya mereka cari harga yang bagus. Itu makanya trader semakin berat bebannya, karena sekarang gajah makin banyak berkeliaran. Maka dibuatlah agenda pemberantasan kaum marginal (maksudnya pemain margin :), yang intinya ingin merubah mindset trader menjadi investor. Yang malas akan tersingkir, yang smart
Re: [obrolan-bandar] IPOT
Saya pakai IPOT, saat ini memang dibandingkan HOTS. Sbg contoh, jam 16.00teng IPOT berhenti, tapi running trade HOTS masih berjalan, terkadang sampai jam 16.02. Yang penting pagi2 jg ngga pernah delay. jadi hubungi saja Indopremier, untuk jadi nasabah mereka. On 10/4/07, Angga Firlana [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dah liat liat websitenya, tapi gak ada sistem OLT apalagi IPOT http://www.ipc.co.id/ -- *From:* obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ps.com] *On Behalf Of *michael_utomo *Sent:* Thursday, October 04, 2007 11:13 *To:* obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com *Subject:* [obrolan-bandar] IPOT Rekans... Banyak sekali yang japri ke saya menanyakan IPOT. Saya hanya bisa refer rekan2 sekalian ke Call Centre IPOT di 021-5793-1200. Atau juga bisa ke kantornya langsung di Wisma GKBI lt 7 suite 718. Regards -mike-
Re: [obrolan-bandar] Fun with Neural Network
Di MG2 ada dijual software Trading Solution dan Neuroshell Trader, keduanya menggunakan neuroshell. On 9/19/07, Febry Hariyannugraha [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Pak Saidkat, Saya belum pernah coba pakai Neuroshell ... dan kebetulan juga saya bukan pengguna Metastock :) But, thanks for the advice, nanti saya coba explore-explore situs-situs tsb deh :) Bapak sudah sering pakai neuroshell ? Sharing dong Pak :) On 9/18/07, saidkat [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sudah pernah pakai neuroshell trader ? http://www.neuroshe ll.com/ kayaknya mereka juga pakai NN juga kok. tinggal pakai.data bisa langsung pakai dari data metastock. versi testingnya banyak di situs2 torrent. yang versi lamanya ada di m2m (hehehehee...) 401 *Febry Hariyannugraha [EMAIL PROTECTED]* wrote: Ok Pak sama-sama. Secara metholodogy, NN bisa dipakai untuk men-train apa saja termasuk price. Hanya saja, ada batasan-batasan tertentu atau constraint yang sampai saat ini pun masih banyak ketidakpastiannya. At least masih bentuk academia. Saya coba attach salah satu paper, yang mungkin menarik untuk dibaca. Saya berdiskusi dengan penulisnya disuatu forum di internet. Untuk memprediksi Price ... terus terang saya belum coba, tapi kalau bisa ... hehehe .. menarik cuy ... :) -- Be a better Heartthrob. Get better relationship answers http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=48255/*http://answers.yahoo.com/dir/_ylc=X3oDMTI5MGx2aThyBF9TAzIxMTU1MDAzNTIEX3MDMzk2NTQ1MTAzBHNlYwNCQUJwaWxsYXJfTklfMzYwBHNsawNQcm9kdWN0X3F1ZXN0aW9uX3BhZ2U-?link=listsid=396545433from someone who knows. Yahoo! Answers - Check it out.
Re: [obrolan-bandar] Kode emiten di USA
Pakai Amibroker, ke website disitu ada database US Stock, database ini bisa dimasukan ke Amybroker. EOD data bisa di download via Yahoo Setelah download, u/ tiap ticker muncul company name dan serta data perusahaan pada Amybroker. On 7/26/07, feter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks pak budi -- *From:* obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ps.com] *On Behalf Of *budi suryono *Sent:* Thursday, July 26, 2007 10:07 AM *To:* obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com *Subject:* Re: [obrolan-bandar] Kode emiten di USA Pake finance.google.com sangat gampang carinya pak, rgds *feter [EMAIL PROTECTED]* wrote: Friends, I need your information where can I get all listed company code with full name of the company for DOW, NASDAQ, SP 500? Example : GOOG = Google Thanks -- Moody friends. Drama queens. Your life? Nope! - their life, your story. Play Sims Stories at Yahoo! Games. http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=48224/*http:/sims.yahoo.com/
Re: [obrolan-bandar] CPRO Naik ada alasannya!
Lho memang uang pendaftarannya 25M (refundable), peserta tender lain juga menyetor sejumlah yang sama. Diluar itu pemenang diharuskan menyetor dalam bentuk kas sejumlah 1,7T (dikutip dari Bisnis Indonesia). On 4/30/07, EKA SUWANDANA [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Berita resmi dari CPRO, bahwa emiten sudah bayar 20M ke PPA utk downpayment akuisisi DIPASENA (ex-Nursalim grup Gajah). Kalo done dan sepertinya bakal mulus.CPRO bakal akuisisi lahan pond(tambak ) seluas 75000ha, sementara CPRO memiliki 16000ha. Lu guys bayangin TIKUS telan KUCING! Mirip transaksi BUMI dulu ambil ARUTMIN, KPC! Target Minimum 650!
Re: [obrolan-bandar] Dow Finishes Down 416 at 12,216, Nasdaq Finishes Down 97 at 2,408 on Global Market Plunge
Dari milis Elliott wave International, kejatuhan DJ sdh diramal oleh Bob Prechter, tengah bulan ini. Dow Plummets 400+ points ... What Now? Experienced analysts know that the time to expect a huge sell-off is when most people don't. So, no matter what you read in the after-the-fact explanations about the February 27 decline, remember this: *Every major market sentiment indicator showed record or near-record complacency among investors*. Virtually no one in the media or on Wall Street saw it coming. The just-published Conference Board report of a five-year high in consumer confidence simply confirmed previous data. From the VIX index (volatility), to the historic lows in the spread investors pay for investment-grade debt, to the low volatility in the FX market, to the *dozens* of feeble short-term volatility readings in financial assets around the globe -- the message was the same: A 500-point intraday decline in the Dow Industrials was the last thing people expected. Remember this as well: The downtrend did *not* begin with the big decline on Tuesday. The selling actually began last *Thursday*, February 22. The talk about weakness on the Shanghai market is simply noise. Ignore it. In fact, let's think again about February 22 -- because, notwithstanding the universal complacency of market participants -- that was the day immediately after one analyst actually did say, It appears time to get aggressive again. He wasn't talking about being bullish, either. That analyst, of course, was Bob Prechter. He made that comment in a special *Elliott Wave Theorist* Interim Report, which he only sends out at crucial market junctures. Bob's February 21 Interim was the urgent follow-up to his February 16 monthly issue, which itself said Now is a good time to assess the probability for a big decline … It's important to answer the question in the headline. And, you can have that answer from the *one* analyst who was NOT surprised by the big decline. In fact, as this email was being written, EWI's Chief Market Analyst Steve Hochberg was working on tonight's *Short Term Update* as well as Friday's *Elliott Wave Financial Forecast*. On 2/28/07, James Arifin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Seems can be lower than that number .. may be 1500 will be a good trial for entry On 2/28/07, Frederick Schubert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: JSX index to fall to 1688...? and shortly recovered and closed above 1700..? *Soeratman Doerachman [EMAIL PROTECTED]* wrote: *Dow Drops 416 on Global Market Plunge* Tuesday February 27, 4:51 pm ET By Madlen Read, AP Business Writer *Dow Finishes Down 416 at 12,216, Nasdaq Finishes Down 97 at 2,408 on Global Market Plunge* NEW YORK (AP) -- Stocks had their worst day of trading since the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks Tuesday, briefly hurtling the Dow Jones industrials down more than 500 points on a worldwide tide of concern that the U.S. and Chinese economies are stumbling and that share prices have become overinflated. The steepness of the market's drop, as well as its global breadth, signaled a possible correction after a long period of stable and steadily rising stock markets, which had not been shaken by such a volatile day of trading in several years. A 9 percent slide in Chinese stocks, which came a day after investors sent Shanghai's benchmark index to a record high close, set the tone for U.S. trading. The Dow began the day falling sharply, and the decline accelerated throughout the course of the session before stocks took a huge plunge in late afternoon as computer-driven sell programs kicked in. The Dow fell 546.02, or 4.3 percent, to 12,086.06 before recovering some ground in the last hour of trading to close down 416.02, or 3.29percent, at 12, 216.24, according to preliminary calculations. Because the worst of the plunge took place after 2:30 p.m., the New York Stock Exchange's trading limits, designed to halt such precipitous moves, were not activated. The decline was the Dow's worst since Sept. 17, 2001, the first trading day after the terror attacks, when the blue chips closed down 684.81, or 7.13 percent. The drop hit every sector of stocks across the market. Riskier issues such as small-cap and technology stocks suffered the biggest declines. But analysts who have been expecting a pullback after a huge rally that began last October and sent the Dow to a series of record highs, were unfazed by Tuesday's drop. This corrective consolidation phase isn't just going to be one day, but we don't believe this is going to be a bear market, said Bob Doll, BlackRock's global chief investment officer of equities. Some investors also tried to put Tuesday's slide into a longer-term perspective. All who invest should feel grateful that we've had a great run for the last 12 to 18 months, said Joel Kleinman, a Washington, D.C. attorney, adding that he has learned to not read too much into any short-term ups and downs. This is another day
Re: [obrolan-bandar] Re: SPEEDY PAYAH! LELET kayak KEONG! TO WHOM IT MAY CONCERN
Saya sdh hengkang dari Speedy sejak Juni yg lalu. Yang paling menjengkelkan Speedy mati tepat pada tanggal 15 mei 2006, ketika Index terjungkal.sekarang saya pakai Wireless Internet, DigiNet cuma 200,000 perbulan. Untuk koneksi lokal bagus sekali. Untuk download cukup lumayan lah, banyak buku2 yg saya download, termasuk majalah2 spt PCWorld (dari Torrent). Sebagai Info saja, sermoga bermanfaat.On 8/7/06, jsx_consultant [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Anthony Christiaan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mendingan ADSL, Pak, saya sekarang ini pakai 3 koneksi ADSL dikombinasi dengan Router Multi WAN. Idealnya 3 koneksi ADSL dari ISP yang berbeda (Telkom, CBN, Centrin) jadi kalo telkom 'DIKERJAIN', ISP yang lain masih jalan... Tapi karena JARINGAN TEMBAGA masih dikuasai telkom, maka jika line Tlp 'DIKERJAIN' secara phisik atau noise, impendansi/induktansi/capasitansi, Frekwensi jamming dll, maka INTERNET anda tidak FOOL PROOF dari SERANGAN... Untuk itu, koneksi Backup Wireless juga disambungkan ke Router MULTI WAN anda sehinga jika ADSL mati seperti kemarin untuk sebagian Jakarta, anda masih ON Biayanya GEDE yah hehehe Btw, logika anda tentang GPRS salah besar, kalau anda mengatakan 64kbps dipakai rame2 atau 128kbps dipake rame2 berbanding GPRS adalah sama hasilnya. Koneksi internet sharing itu intinya adalah berbagi, namun, dalam kenyataannya, tidak 100% koneksi adalah saat bersamaan, kalau sudah muncul yang namanya saat bersamaan, itu tandanya anda sudah membutuhkan koneksi baru atau koneksi yang lebih baik. Saya harap anda bisa memahami maksud cerita saya di atas. Cheers - Original Message - From: Cubit Aja To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, August 06, 2006 11:38 AM Subject: Re: [obrolan-bandar] SPEEDY PAYAH! LELET kayak KEONG! TO WHOM IT MAY CONCERN Lah wong 64 kbps dipake rame2, yg 128 kbps dipake sendiri aja berasa lelet banget apalagi 64 kbps dipake rame2. gprs juga kecepatannya kira2 segitu kok. kalo d/l bisa sampai 4-5 k(byte)ps, so kira2 mirip dong. - Original Message - From: Anthony Christiaan To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, August 04, 2006 4:10 PM Subject: Re: [obrolan-bandar] SPEEDY PAYAH! LELET kayak KEONG! TO WHOM IT MAY CONCERN GPRS buat koneksi internet sharing di kantor ??? Gak salah tuh, Pak ??? - Original Message - From: Cubit Aja To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, August 04, 2006 10:28 AM Subject: Re: [obrolan-bandar] SPEEDY PAYAH! LELET kayak KEONG! TO WHOM IT MAY CONCERN Wah 4,5 jt/bln?, wa bisa nawarin akses gprs hanya 3 jt/bln unlimited tuh. kecepatan yah sekitar segitu. cuma modal hp yg ada bluetooth n 1 bluetooth dongle (100rb harganya) - Original Message - From: Anthony Christiaan To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, August 03, 2006 2:08 PM Subject: Re: [obrolan-bandar] SPEEDY PAYAH! LELET kayak KEONG! TO WHOM IT MAY CONCERN 1,5 juta wireless rame2, berarti ada pengelola dari gedung yang manage, Pak, wireless gak ada yang semurah itu, soalnya saya baru saja mengundang beberapa ISP dan penawaran termurah sekitar 4,5 juta per bulan, itu saja 64kbps. Cheers - Original Message - From: A3K To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, August 03, 2006 12:21 PM Subject: RE: [obrolan-bandar] SPEEDY PAYAH! LELET kayak KEONG! TO WHOM IT MAY CONCERN Iya betul . maksud nya seperti dibawah, Aku sendiri gak percaya 100Mbps itu pasti bukan real .. Thanksalot, kan Cuma bayar 1.5 juta rame-rame cheers -- -- From: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com [mailto: obrolan- [EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Anthony Christiaan Sent: Thursday, August 03, 2006 11:21 AM To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [obrolan-bandar] SPEEDY PAYAH! LELET kayak KEONG! TO WHOM IT MAY CONCERN Itu maksudnya : ke ISP nya pakai wireless point to point 128kbps, ke Client nya pakai Ethernet Cable RJ-45 bisa 100mbps, munculnya di komputer client, speed 100mbps, padahal cuman 128kbps, itu aja dishare oleh ISP nya bisa 1:8 atau 1:4 dan di share lagi di kantornya buat berapa usernya. Cheers - Original Message - From: Cubit Aja To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, August 03, 2006 10:59 AM Subject: Re: [obrolan-bandar] SPEEDY PAYAH! LELET kayak KEONG! TO WHOM IT MAY
Re: [obrolan-bandar] Re: SPEEDY PAYAH! LELET kayak KEONG! TO WHOM IT MAY CONCERN
www.digi.net.id or 799 8919On 8/7/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Boleh tau Pak kalo mau langganan Diginet ke mana yathanks atas infonya Saya sdh hengkang dari Speedy sejak Juni yg lalu. Yang paling menjengkelkan Speedy mati tepat pada tanggal 15 mei 2006, ketika Index terjungkal. sekarang saya pakai Wireless Internet, DigiNet cuma 200,000 perbulan. Untuk koneksi lokal bagus sekali. Untuk download cukup lumayan lah, banyak buku2 yg saya download, termasuk majalah2 spt PCWorld (dari Torrent). Sebagai Info saja, sermoga bermanfaat. On 8/7/06, jsx_consultant [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com obrolan-bandar%40yahoogroups.com, Anthony Christiaan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mendingan ADSL, Pak, saya sekarang ini pakai 3 koneksi ADSL dikombinasi dengan Router Multi WAN. Idealnya 3 koneksi ADSL dari ISP yang berbeda (Telkom, CBN, Centrin) jadi kalo telkom 'DIKERJAIN', ISP yang lain masih jalan... Tapi karena JARINGAN TEMBAGA masih dikuasai telkom, maka jika line Tlp 'DIKERJAIN' secara phisik atau noise, impendansi/induktansi/capasitansi, Frekwensi jamming dll, maka INTERNET anda tidak FOOL PROOF dari SERANGAN... Untuk itu, koneksi Backup Wireless juga disambungkan ke Router MULTI WAN anda sehinga jika ADSL mati seperti kemarin untuk sebagian Jakarta, anda masih ON Biayanya GEDE yah hehehe Btw, logika anda tentang GPRS salah besar, kalau anda mengatakan 64kbps dipakai rame2 atau 128kbps dipake rame2 berbanding GPRS adalah sama hasilnya. Koneksi internet sharing itu intinya adalah berbagi, namun, dalam kenyataannya, tidak 100% koneksi adalah saat bersamaan, kalau sudah muncul yang namanya saat bersamaan, itu tandanya anda sudah membutuhkan koneksi baru atau koneksi yang lebih baik. Saya harap anda bisa memahami maksud cerita saya di atas. Cheers - Original Message - From: Cubit Aja To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com obrolan-bandar%40yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, August 06, 2006 11:38 AM Subject: Re: [obrolan-bandar] SPEEDY PAYAH! LELET kayak KEONG! TO WHOM IT MAY CONCERN Lah wong 64 kbps dipake rame2, yg 128 kbps dipake sendiri aja berasa lelet banget apalagi 64 kbps dipake rame2. gprs juga kecepatannya kira2 segitu kok. kalo d/l bisa sampai 4-5 k(byte)ps, so kira2 mirip dong. - Original Message - From: Anthony Christiaan To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com obrolan-bandar%40yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, August 04, 2006 4:10 PM Subject: Re: [obrolan-bandar] SPEEDY PAYAH! LELET kayak KEONG! TO WHOM IT MAY CONCERN GPRS buat koneksi internet sharing di kantor ??? Gak salah tuh, Pak ??? - Original Message - From: Cubit Aja To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com obrolan-bandar%40yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, August 04, 2006 10:28 AM Subject: Re: [obrolan-bandar] SPEEDY PAYAH! LELET kayak KEONG! TO WHOM IT MAY CONCERN Wah 4,5 jt/bln?, wa bisa nawarin akses gprs hanya 3 jt/bln unlimited tuh. kecepatan yah sekitar segitu. cuma modal hp yg ada bluetooth n 1 bluetooth dongle (100rb harganya) - Original Message - From: Anthony Christiaan To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com obrolan-bandar%40yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, August 03, 2006 2:08 PM Subject: Re: [obrolan-bandar] SPEEDY PAYAH! LELET kayak KEONG! TO WHOM IT MAY CONCERN 1,5 juta wireless rame2, berarti ada pengelola dari gedung yang manage, Pak, wireless gak ada yang semurah itu, soalnya saya baru saja mengundang beberapa ISP dan penawaran termurah sekitar 4,5 juta per bulan, itu saja 64kbps. Cheers - Original Message - From: A3K To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com obrolan-bandar%40yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, August 03, 2006 12:21 PM Subject: RE: [obrolan-bandar] SPEEDY PAYAH! LELET kayak KEONG! TO WHOM IT MAY CONCERN Iya betul . maksud nya seperti dibawah, Aku sendiri gak percaya 100Mbps itu pasti bukan real .. Thanksalot, kan Cuma bayar 1.5 juta rame-rame cheers -- -- From: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com obrolan-bandar%40yahoogroups.com[mailto: obrolan- [EMAIL PROTECTED] bandar%40yahoogrou ps.com] On Behalf Of Anthony Christiaan Sent: Thursday, August 03, 2006 11:21 AM To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com obrolan-bandar%40yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [obrolan-bandar] SPEEDY PAYAH! LELET kayak KEONG! TO WHOM IT MAY CONCERN Itu maksudnya : ke ISP nya pakai wireless point to point 128kbps, ke Client nya pakai Ethernet Cable RJ-45 bisa 100mbps, munculnya di komputer client, speed 100mbps, padahal cuman 128kbps, itu aja dishare oleh ISP nya bisa 1:8 atau 1:4 dan di share lagi di kantornya buat berapa usernya. Cheers - Original Message - From: Cubit Aja To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com
Re: [obrolan-bandar] Re: Ukuran email
Sedikit urun rembug.
Saya sdh engga lagi pakai outlook, melainkan pakai GMAIL. Semua mail disimpan di server gmail. Jadi kita bisa pilih mail mana yg akan dibuka.
Semoga bermanfaat.
On 3/31/06, jsx_consultant [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Rony Santoso [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote: Saya langganan milis menggunakan daily digest sehingga ukuran yangbiasanya 160 Kb sehari,Dalam bulan Maret, jumlah POSTING dimilis OB meningkat DRASTISmenjadi 812 posting dari 394 posting pada bulan sebelumnya.
Jadi rata rata ada 812/30 hari atau = 27 posting per hariJika bapak bilang ukuran email DAILY DIGEST BIASANYAadalah 160kb maka RATA2 ukuran email = 160/27 = 6 kb per email.JADI kalo data anda BENAR maka milis OB sangat EFFICIENT
karena UKURAN email anda TERAKHIR SAJA = 18 kb. atau ukuranemail bapak adalah TIGA kali dari average email dari memberyang lain...Note:- Ukuran email bapak yang pertama HANYA 4kb, sedang ukuran email
bapak yang terakhir adalah 18 kb. Jadi email yg kedua ITU350% lebih BOROS karena anda mengirim email tsb pake HTML modedan bukannya TEXT MODE sederhana saja. dalam beberapa hari terakhir membengkak menjadi 160 Kb bahkan
hingga puncaknya 717 Kb itu.MUNGKIN ini akibat dari kiriman HASIL ANALISA yang dikirim pakSamsudes dalam bentuk grafik Saya gunakaan outlook dengan filter **do not download message more
than 160 Kb** sehingga otomatis semua message yang lebih dari ukurantersebut harus dipilih secara manual untuk didownload atau tidak.Bagaimana kalo SETTING diubah dari DAILY DIGEST menjadi INDIVIDUAL
EMAIL dan FILTER nya diset: DO NOT DOWNLOAD message more thanSAY 20 kb. (embah belum pernah coba).Jadi RATA2 size download = 27 posting perhari x say 10 kb/email= 270 kb per day.Tapi anda ENGGA BISA menikmati grafik pak Samsudes yang
BAHENOL hehehe... Begitu Mbah, Cheers, Rony Thanks atas SARANnya.
Catatan: - Dimilis OB kemarin tidak ada email yang ukurannya 717 kbSENDIRI... - Ukuran rata2 email posting adalah dibawah 10 kb JADI masih NORMAL. - Ukuran posting terbesar kemarin ialah 37 kb, itupun BUKAN karena
rentetan message tidak dihapus, TAPI karena HTML MODE nya ON atau posting tidak menggunakan TEXT MODE yang sederhana. Mudah mudahan SEMUA INGAT akan hal ini termasuk
moderatornyahehehe... Rony Santoso wrote: Dear Rekan2, Tolong waktu mereply/forward ke milis dihapus dulu rentetan
message/percakapan yang terjadi sehingga tidak membebanidownload. Atau batasi maksimal 1-2 seri percakapan saja. Hari ini daku download satu email OB bisa sampai 717 Kb sendiri !
Kesian sama yang download pake pulsa rumah :( Yahoo! Groups Links
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