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Re: Hal: [obrolan-bandar] NICKEL LME STOCK
London Metal Exchange Warehouse Stocks ( June 26 ) Metal Tonnes in Storage Change from previous day Aluminum 200575 -525 Copper 118950 -75 Nickel 8418 -132 Lead 46400 +375 Zinc 72675 -425
Re: Hal: [obrolan-bandar] MASA
Di Kontan hari ini, analis said Rp. 400 is the target price.. On 6/26/07, bernard gunawan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ada info masa mau ditarik besok ke 300, liat saja. siap siap yah - Pesan Asli Dari: Freddy [EMAIL PROTECTED] Kepada: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Terkirim: Selasa, 26 Juni, 2007 11:54:13 Topik: [obrolan-bandar] MASA
Re: [obrolan-bandar] Re: Nickel nickel nickel
Harga di CNBC Asia pagi ini masih di US$ 37.600 / tonnes.. dan inventory turun dibawah comfort zone nya Watch tightly ANTM, INCO before they shoot
Re: [obrolan-bandar] all red...
Great color for those who short the market.. hehehe..he..
Re: [obrolan-bandar] Re: Balasan: RE: [saham] Harga wajar ANTM INC
CNBC Asia jam 17:29 WIB : Nickel 36400 ( - 0.27%) On 6/21/07, kang_ocoy_maen_saham [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: iyah bener, semoga tidak kurang dari 36000, itulah doa dan ekspektasi kita semua, hehe..
Re: [obrolan-bandar] FENI III ANTM RUSAK, lihat news di RTI !
IMHO, Kerusakan terjadi Sabtu dan saya rasa utk big money mereka udah factor that in Termasuk utk dividen udh di kalkulasikan juga.
Re: Hal: [obrolan-bandar] CP Prima tak ikut akuisisi saham Dipasena
Rasanya faktor ini sudah direfleksikan di harga yg berlaku. Despite the brouhahaha harga nya CPRO mandeg disana udah. Tinggal waktu aja yg akan membuktikan what is the story behind. Mungkin banyak dari kita silau dng size Dipasena, creating our own fantasy and hopes (greed)
Re: [obrolan-bandar] NICKEL --- THE BEAR IS BACK!!!
Nikel udah rebound harga commodities nya, Sekali lagi saya sih simple aja selama pembangunan infrastruktur global, FDI di negeri negeri high growth masih melaju kuat; ripple spt naik turun di bursa future nikel akan even out dlm long term curve yg relatif tinggi. Ini tentu utk porto folio investasi. (Refer rapalan elmu ne ajian mbah Buffet).
Re: [obrolan-bandar] INCO : PRICE OBJECTIVE RAISED BY MERRILL LYNCH TO RP 85.000
Hehehe hari ini dibanting banting biar copot semua penumpang wong cilik.. Analyst juga manusia bisa salah.. Liat aja Citigroup vs ML vs Sinarmas vs OD soal Inco... kita lihat aja .. .. best guestimate ndiri aja dah.
Re: [obrolan-bandar] TMPI apa harus keluar ?
Edan autreject bottom di 2950. I hope not too many victims.
Re: [obrolan-bandar] TMPI, mungkinkah dikerek lagi?
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Re: [obrolan-bandar] TMPI apa harus keluar ?
Menang ora ngasorake, kalah ora ngluruk friends. Let us be humble and emphatic to others. Who are we with out His blessing? On 6/5/07, Ki Ndhablek'z Cuan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Re: [obrolan-bandar] TMPI, mungkinkah dikerek lagi?
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Re: [obrolan-bandar] Laporan Intel TA - TMPI 070605 Part II
Jumat Management TMPI mau ketemu sama Direksi BEJ. Kalau benar ini diluar skenario TMPI bisa bisa dia minta diperpanjang suspen 3 hari lagi biar kringetan yg ngeshort
Re: [obrolan-bandar] www.new.poems.co.id bisa dibuka dg firefox
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[obrolan-bandar] Re: Super strong buy ANTM! PE 10,7
Kalau mau ratio utk FA ANTAM, lihat http://stocks.us.reuters.com/stocks/ratios.asp?symbol=ANTM.JKWTmodLOC=R2-Ratios-1-More Emiten lain juga bisa dilihat dng mudah tersaji di Reuters.com [image: Reuters] http://today.reuters.com/news/home.aspx http://ad.doubleclick.net/jump/reuters.com.dart/stocks/financialinfo/ratios/valuation;'+';type=L2Text;sz=1x1;i=GLDSLV;s=BASICM;t=RTRSY;tagb=b;ord=2944? Ratios Aneka Tambang Tbk PT ANTM.JK (Jakarta) *Sector:* Basic Materialshttp://www.investor.reuters.com/GoTo.aspx?indscrpage=%2findustriessectorcode=BASICM.t=browseindustries%2findbysectorsindtrgpage=%2findustries%2findhighlights%2findustrycenter *Industry:* Gold Silverhttp://www.investor.reuters.com/IndustryCenter.aspx?industry=GLDSLV View *ANTM.JK* on other exchangeshttp://stocks.us.reuters.com/stocks/lookup.asp?symbol=Aneka%20Tambang%20Tbk%20PTexactMatch=false As of 3:59 AM EST Rp.13,400IDR Price Change [image: Down]600.00 Percent Change [image: Down]4.29% http://ad.doubleclick.net/jump/reuters.com.dart/stocks/financialinfo/ratios/valuation;'+';type=riskalerts;sz=1x1;i=GLDSLV;s=BASICM;t=RTRSY;tagc=c;ord=2944? Valuation Ratioshttp://stocks.us.reuters.com/stocks/ratios.asp?symbol=ANTM.JKWTmodLOC=R2-Ratios-1-More#Valuation%20Ratios |Dividendshttp://stocks.us.reuters.com/stocks/ratios.asp?symbol=ANTM.JKWTmodLOC=R2-Ratios-1-More#Dividends |Growth Rateshttp://stocks.us.reuters.com/stocks/ratios.asp?symbol=ANTM.JKWTmodLOC=R2-Ratios-1-More#Growth%20Rates |Financial Strengthhttp://stocks.us.reuters.com/stocks/ratios.asp?symbol=ANTM.JKWTmodLOC=R2-Ratios-1-More#Financial%20Strength Profitability Ratioshttp://stocks.us.reuters.com/stocks/ratios.asp?symbol=ANTM.JKWTmodLOC=R2-Ratios-1-More#Profitability%20Ratios |Management Effectivenesshttp://stocks.us.reuters.com/stocks/ratios.asp?symbol=ANTM.JKWTmodLOC=R2-Ratios-1-More#Management%20Effectiveness |Efficiencyhttp://stocks.us.reuters.com/stocks/ratios.asp?symbol=ANTM.JKWTmodLOC=R2-Ratios-1-More#Efficiency Valuation Ratios Company Industry Sector SP 500 P/E Ratio (TTM) 10.7029.3817.52 20.69 P/E High - Last 5 Yrs. NM77.0045.3534.66 P/E Low - Last 5 Yrs. NM19.61 10.8714.08 Beta 1.380.440.961.00 Price to Sales (TTM) 3.585.713.452.92 Price to Book (MRQ) 4.993.134.584.18 Price to Tangible Book (MRQ) 5.383.824.587.82 Price to Cash Flow (TTM) 8.9414.0914.8014.63 Price to Free Cash Flow (TTM) 10.92 59.0513.2234.63 % Owned Institutions NM23.0140.8270.96 Learn about Valuation Ratioshttp://www.investor.reuters.com/GoTo.aspx?.m=%2fstocks%2ffinancialinfo%2fratios%2fvaluation.p=learnticker=ANTM.JK.t=%2f Dividends Company Industry Sector SP 500 Dividend Yield NM0.952.052.07 Dividend Yield - 5 Year Avg. --0.442.161.84 Dividend 5 Year Growth Rate 8.3627.52 54.0110.14 Payout Ratio (TTM) 11.4717.7326.0228.36 Learn about Dividendshttp://www.investor.reuters.com/GoTo.aspx?.m=%2fstocks%2ffinancialinfo%2fratios%2fdividend.p=learnticker=ANTM.JK.t=%2f Growth Rates Company Industry Sector SP 500 Sales (MRQ) vs Qtr. 1 Yr. Ago 323.5814.37127.4013.64 Sales (TTM) vs TTM 1 Yr. Ago 129.2511.4363.6614.79 Sales - 5 Yr. Growth Rate 26.5420.9125.4613.16 EPS (MRQ) vs Qtr. 1 Yr. Ago 719.11 -51.36382.5717.01 EPS (TTM) vs TTM 1 Yr. Ago 206.81112.3211.1820.25 EPS - 5 Yr. Growth Rate 34.0941.3181.9622.40 Capital Spending - 5 Yr. Growth Rate 12.0632.8732.037.08 Learn about Growth Rateshttp://www.investor.reuters.com/GoTo.aspx?.m=%2fstocks%2ffinancialinfo%2fratios%2fgrowthrate.p=learnticker=ANTM.JK.t=%2f Financial Strength Company Industry Sector SP 500 Quick Ratio (MRQ) 2.762.511.461.27 Current Ratio (MRQ) 3.673.191.971.80 LT Debt to Equity (MRQ) 0.170.150.220.60 Total Debt to Equity (MRQ) 0.210.170.360.76 Interest Coverage (TTM) 10.727.3318.96 13.35 Learn about Financial Strengthhttp://www.investor.reuters.com/GoTo.aspx?.m=%2fstocks%2ffinancialinfo%2fratios%2ffinancialcondition.p=learnticker=ANTM.JK.t=%2f Profitability Ratios Company Industry Sector SP 500 Gross Margin (TTM) 54.4649.7445.42 45.22 Gross Margin - 5 Yr. Avg. 42.4948.7637.4344.09 EBITD Margin (TTM) 56.0035.7833.5922.87 EBITD - 5 Yr. Avg. 40.7928.4537.8321.12 Operating Margin (TTM) 49.3922.4539.1619.65 Operating Margin - 5 Yr. Avg. 33.9719.27 29.7019.21 Pre-Tax Margin (TTM) 47.8729.7238.6918.44 Pre-Tax Margin - 5 Yr. Avg. 33.0422.3427.5517.75 Net Profit Margin (TTM) 33.4822.0926.1213.60 Net Profit Margin - 5 Yr. Avg. 23.1517.4218.2212.19 Effective Tax Rate (TTM) 30.0531.0030.5729.94 Effective Tax Rate - 5 Yr. Avg. 29.9223.2731.3230.86 Learn about Profitability Ratioshttp://www.investor.reuters.com/GoTo.aspx?.m=%2fstocks%2ffinancialinfo%2fratios%2fprofitmargin.p=learnticker=ANTM.JK.t=%2f Management Effectiveness Company Industry Sector SP 500 Return On Assets (TTM) 35.225.18 24.558.12 Return On Assets - 5 Yr. Avg. 14.900.9712.176.81 Return On Investment (TTM) 39.495.9531.2312.01 Return On Investment - 5 Yr. Avg. 17.32 1.1614.8010.32 Return On Equity (TTM)
Re: [obrolan-bandar] Online Trading
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Re: [obrolan-bandar] www.new.poems.co.id bisa dibuka dg firefox
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Re: [obrolan-bandar] Nikel ~ analysis
Supply chain effect.. selama rantai permintaan di paling ujung masih tinggi (demand side) paling distorsi adalah karena future tradings. Secara fundamental selama konsumen (mata rantai akhir) masih mau bayar, substitusi riel masih blm ada dan signifikan maka barang apapun akan tetap dicari. Satu hari kalau sudah sedemikian mahal (dan supply meningkat dng berarti - walau Riotinto et al masih perlu waktu utk bisa ikut the band wagon ride), maka tentu harga akan turun. World economic growth masih ckup bagus so far, masa damai ini adalah salah satu masa terpanjang dalam sejarah modern humanity secara global sejak PD II. Less something very very bad happened secara global rasanya pertumbuhan ekonomi masih akan jadi lokomotif utk berbagai bahan dasar. Industri ekstraksi bahan alam masih baik jangka panjangnya. Kesimpulannya menurut saya nikel, timah dan logam dasar lain masih akan tetap diminta dan dibayar. Tentu baik utk being prudent, humble in any case. Still dont put all yer eggs in one basket. All these happened because of His blessing as well.
[obrolan-bandar] Nikel ~ analysis
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Headlines From The Latest Nickel Monthly Report
5/30/2007 10:22:01 AM
Nickel prices rose sharply at the start of May, from $50,050/t (US$22.70/lb,
cash) on 30th April to $52,550/t (US$23.84/lb) on 4th May. Subsequently,
prices increased gradually to a peak of around $54,000/t (US$24.50/lb) on 16
th and then again on 21st May before the arrival of approximately 2kt nickel
at LME warehouses caused a sharp correction to $50,197/t (US$/lb) on 23rd.
Our latest research on mined and refined nickel (excluding Ni-pig iron)
production in China has extended our list of known operations and has also
raised our forecast of mined nickel production in China. This research,
combined with the additional nickel that we expect to become available from
the rapidly expanding Ni-pig iron sector, has also lead us to raise our
forecast of refined nickel output in China.
Following this re-evaluation and despite increases made to our forecast of
nickel demand from the Chinese stainless steel industry, we now forecast
that the global nickel market will accumulate a small surplus by the end of
2007.
Even though we believe the market will move into surplus in 2007 and 2008,
prices should continue to be supported by strong end use demand for
stainless steel, especially once stainless steel distributors have worked
off their current inventory excess.
Consequently, comparatively weak demand for nickel at present will be
followed by resurgent nickel demand at the end of 2007 and through the first
half of 2008, when we forecast small net deficits in the first half of 2008.
This suggests that the present tight nickel market is likely to be sustained
for at least another 12 months. In price terms, we forecast some near term
moderation followed by rising nickel prices between the end of 2007 and the
middle of 2008.
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NEW DELHI (Reuters) - India's largest stainless steel maker, Jindal
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expects its monthly nickel consumption to double to more than 1,600 tonnes
when a new plant starts operation in three years, a top company official
said.
Jindal, which runs a 600,000 tonnes a year plant at Hissar in northern
Haryana state, is building a new factory in the eastern state of Orissa that
will make 800,000 tonnes of stainless steel when it begins production in
2009/10.
Our total nickel requirement now is about 800 to 900 tonnes per
[obrolan-bandar] Re: [Rebound in Shanghai, HSI+Nikkei surge ahead ~ China retreat 2% this morning, slump not over yet.
^AORD http://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=%5EAORDAll Ordinaries*6,341.80* 2:11AM ET[image: Up] *70.10* *(1.12%)*^SSEC http://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=%5ESSECShanghai Composite*4,156.51* 2:10AM ET[image: Up] *103.43* *(2.55%)*^HSIhttp://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=%5EHSIHang Seng*20,558.40* 2:25AM ET[image: Up] *264.64* *(1.30%)*^BSESNhttp://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=%5EBSESNBSE 30*14,543.63* 2:40AM ET[image: Up] *132.25* *(0.92%)*^JKSEhttp://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=%5EJKSEJakarta Composite*2,078.75* 2:40AM ET[image: Up] *23.36* *(1.14%)*^KLSEhttp://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=%5EKLSEKLSE Composite*1,339.18* May 30[image: Down] *3.82* *(0.28%)*^N225http://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=%5EN225Nikkei 225*17,875.75* 2:00AM ET[image: Up] *287.49* *(1.63%)*^NZ50http://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=%5ENZ50NZSE 50*4,302.35* 1:34AM ET[image: Up] *22.74* *(0.53%)*^STIhttp://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=%5ESTIStraits Times*3,511.13* May 30[image: Down] *15.95* *(0.45%)*^KS11http://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=%5EKS11Seoul Composite*1,700.91* 2:02AM ET[image: Up] *38.19* *(2.30%)*^TWIIhttp://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=%5ETWIITaiwan Weighted*8,144.95* 1:46AM ET[image: Down] *2.39* *(0.03%)* On 5/31/07, Bettina Tan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What about JCI?
Re: Fw: [obrolan-bandar] Re: Shanghai drops more than 6%, others follow. Not for long.
Lihat aja statistika nya pak, spt di posting yg lalu ada beberapa ttg ini. Sekarang rata rata 300.000 membuka account setiap hari, dan jumlah pemegang account di broker broker mendekati 100 juta account Supir kami, dan istrinya di Shanghai juga sudah punya 2 account di 2 securitas, mereka trade / invest di stock market krn bunga deposito ampir nihil. Banyak sekali idle money di bawah bantal disana. Melihat sehari hari di gallery dimana ratusan orang datang masih naik sepeda, jalan kaki, naik bus mungkin benar sekali investor atau trader grass root memang banyak sekali. Utk ilustrasi, seorang petani tak jauh dari Shanghai, pernah waktu musim dingin mencacah buntalan rumput yg diikat waktu summer, dgn mesin pencacah rumput utk ngasih makan sapi nya. Sialnya duit yg dia simpan di dalam rumput itu sebanyak rmb 100.000 dalam denominasi rmb 100 ikut tercacah. Rmb 1= rp. 1.200.- Ini kejadian benar diberitakan di koran local. Tingkat tabungan di Tiongkok mencapai 45~ 50% GDP, jadi kalau duit nganggur sekrg ngalir ke pasar modal krn infrastruktur yg memudahkan tentu tidak diherankan bila orang orang di akar rumput ikut stock-mania. Tiongkok memiliki backbone fiber optic menghubungi setiap kota yg dianggap signifikan secara ekonomis dlm hitungan terrabyte dan sekitar ampir 2 juta km fiber. Ini membuat gallery gallery on-line tumbuh secara masif dimana mana krn dukungan teknologi informasi yg memadai. Secara regulasi bisa anda lihat posting lalu juga bertahap dibuat menjadi mudah, dan pilihan lebih banyak. Sekali kali dibuat regulasi juga utk mengendalikan ekses spt dng stamp duty kemarin. Tapi itu reaksi pasar yg knee-jerk kemarin tidak ada hubungan dng performa emiten menurut saya. Tiongkok masih menjadi pemasok dunia (manufacturer of the world). Ttg ekonomi Tiongkok, memang mereka harus memperlambat agar tidak over-heated, keliatannya pemerintahnya tahu apa yg harus dilakukan dan sudah dilakukan sejak 4 thn lalu dng sistimatis. Tidak mudah memang, tapi usahanya jelas dan berdampak tanpa membuat ekonominya out of control. Mudah mudahan knee-jerk ini tidak menjalar, kemarin JSX memperlihatkan hal ini sudah, dng tidak ikutan panik. Mudah mudahan artinya pula, investor/trader Indonesia sudah jauh lebih cerdas utk memilah berita. Saya percaya itu memang demikian dng bukti JSX turun sedikit dalam range yg normal. My two lots, th On 5/30/07, Heryadi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Emang ente ngerti bahasa mandarin?
Re: [obrolan-bandar] Re: RISET INCO FROM BK
Bagus lah, murah gw beli lagi. Sakit deh kalau tiap hari ngeliatin dan Inco toh bukan pop and mom store yg hari dagang nikel besok jual perkedel. Bukan ngebelain Inco tapi be realistic aja. Utk trading emang ga bagus sekarang Inco.
Re: [obrolan-bandar] Re: China retreat 2% this morning, slump not over yet.
Rebound ke - 3.1% hehehe .. On 5/31/07, jsxid [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sekarang sudah turun 4.5% bu..
Re: Kenaikan IHSG Tak Mampu Kerek Jumlah Investor.. Re: [obrolan-bandar] Re: Trader Vs Investor !
Di Tiongkok, tiap hari 300.000 account retail baru dibuka, jumlah investor kecil sudah mendekati angka 100 juta orang. Manajemen regulasinya dibuat sedemikian rupa sehingga menggairahkan, dari kebijakan makro sampai ke rincian juklak, juknis dibuat dng lengkap. Setindak demi setindak menuju ke perbaikan yg jelas. Data Bapepam bbrp bulan lalu cuman 300.000 account retail di Indonesia dan ga nambah nambah signifikan. Ini pun sudah sebagian besar yg memiliki account di berbagai bursa atas nama satu orang. Kmd di Tiongkok ada siaran TV khusus yg sepanjang jam trading membuat berbagai analisis online dng berbagai tools mendukung para investor wong cilik secara impartial dan untuk pembelajaran. Blm situs situs interaktif dan galery dimana mana bertebaran memudahkan orang kecil utk mendapatkan akses informasi yg berkualitas baik tanpa biaya mahal. Lha wong autoritas kita melihat berbagai engineering di bursa ga mudeng boro boro menindak... kalah elmu sama bandar bandar.. Apa ga takut wong cilik mau masuk bursa? Makanya di Indonesia istilah keren nya main saham wong saham dipake main main aja..
Re: [obrolan-bandar] FW: TMPI dari IPO
Kalau break out di 2900 bila dibaca chart TA pak Tasrul point utk masuk. Tul ga gitu bacanya pak Tasrul?
Re: [obrolan-bandar] PTBA
Udah sampai terminal pak T. 4875 skrg (13:46) On 5/25/07, Tasrul [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: FYI.. Japri sampai pukul 11.25 ya.. *Tasrul* *Research Analyst* [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [obrolan-bandar] PTBA
Wah saya juga bukan expert pak.. cuman penumpang gelap doang. Tapi saya sih ga jual beli utk PTBA, udah beli dari di 3300an nunggu ampe ntar kalok udah mahal baru jual kali. Kalok ga mo dikasih utk anak saya aja. th On 5/28/07, Daniel Wong [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Pak Teddy, apakah ini Cuma transit doang buat isi bensin trus jalan lagi ke terminal selanjutnya atau balik ke stasiun awalnya lagi? Many thx DW
Re: [obrolan-bandar] Cum dividen PTBA.
Besok tgl 28 pak menurut pendapat saya. On 5/28/07, highwaystar91 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tgl. 29 besok ya? berarti hari ini naik gara2 cum dividen atau kabar ptba mau akuisisi tambang? Setelah tgl. 29 apakah akan jatuh lagi? Ada yang punya pendapat? Thanks!
[obrolan-bandar] LSIP ditawar 6900 doang ama INDF~] Re: tbla
Grup Salim Tawar Rp 6.900 per Saham, Nilai Akuisisi Lonsum Rp 9,1 T [image: Cetak halaman ini]http://www.investorindonesia.com/index2.php?option=com_contenttask=viewid=31872Itemid=pop=1page=0 [image: Kirim halaman ini ke teman via E-mail] javascript:void(0) 28/05/2007 01:44:26 WIB *JAKARTA, Investor Daily* Grup Salim melalui Indofood Agri Resources Ltd akan mengeluarkan dana Rp 9,1 triliun atau Sin$1,6 miliar untuk mengakuisisi 64,4% saham PT Perusahaan Perkebunan London Sumatra Indonesia Tbk. Nilai itu merupakan penawaran tender kelompok usaha tersebut. Grup Salim telah menunjuk*CIMB-GK Securities Pte. Ltd* sebagai *financial advisor* untuk akuisisi tersebut. Proposal akuisisi saham Lonsum sudah disepakati 25 Mei lalu. Pihak yang menandatangani proposal akuisisi adalah Indofood Agri Resources Ltd dari pihak Salim Group, First Durango Singapore Pte Ltd dari pihak Eddy K Sariaatmadja (pemegang saham Lonsum), dan Ashmore Investment Management Limited (Ashmore Fund). Dalam proposal itu dijelaskan, melalui Indo Agri, Grup Salim mengakuisisi 500.095.000 saham biasa yang mewakili 45,7% dari modal yang ditempatkan dan disetor penuh. Sedangkan dari pihak Ashmore Funds, Salim Group mengakuisisi US$ 47 juta surat utang wajib konversi (*mandatory convertible notes*/MNC). Bila MNC ini dikonversi pada 2009, Lonsum akan mengeluarkan saham baru sebesar 269.343.500 saham. Ashmore merupakan perusahaan manajer investasi asal London, Inggris, yang bersama Morton Bay (Holdings) Pte Ltd milik Eddy K Sariaatmadja menjadi pemegang saham mayoritas di Econ International Limited yang tercatat di bursa Singapura. Dengan akuisisi itu, jumlah saham Lonsum yang dimiliki Grup Salim setelah konversi MNC mencapai 878.959.500 atau setara dengan 64,4% saham perseroan. Dalam proposal itu dijelaskan, Indo Agri pun akan mengakuisisi 109.521.000saham Lonsum milik Eddy K Sariaatmadja. Namun, pihak Indo Agri akan mengeluarkan 98.082.830 saham baru yang akan dibeli oleh Eddy K Sariaatmadja. Dalam proposal akuisisi yang telah disepakati kedua pihak dan dikirim Direktur Indofood Agri Resources Ltd Moleonoto Tjang ke otoritas bursa Singapura dijelaskan, pihak Indofood Agri mengajukan sejumlah skema kepemilikan saham Lonsum melalui *tender offer*. Merujuk aturan pasar modal Indonesia, pihak Indofood Agri akan mengajukan penawaran tender untuk 35,6% saham Lonsum. Ando Agri akan menggelar penawaran atas saham Lonsum sebesar Rp 6.900 per saham. Jumlah dana yang disiapkan untuk *tender offer* saham Lonsum sebesar Rp 3,3 triliun. Menurut dokumen tersebut, setelah penawaran tender, dana yang dibutuhkan untuk mengakuisisi semua saham seperti yang ditetapkan dalam proposal mencapai Rp 9,1 triliun atau setara dengan Sin$ 1,6 miliar. Grup Indo Agri telah menyetujui untuk menempatkan deposito sejumlah US$ 10 juta pada agen *escrow*. Nanti semua ini tergantung kepada penyelesaian rencana pengambilalihan, tandas Direktur PT Indofood Sukses makmur Thomas Tjhie dalam siaran pers yang diterima *Investor Daily*, Minggu (27/5) . *Kuasai CPO Indonesia* Dengan akuisisi Lonsum, menurut Thomas Tjhie, luas lahan CPO yang dikuasai Indo Agri sekitar 224.083 hektar (ha). Dari jumlah itu, sekitar 74.878 ha telah ditanami kelapa sawit. Total lahan perkebunan dan total lahan yang telah ditanami dengan kelapa sawit, masing-masing akan meningkat menjadi sekitar 387.483 ha dan sekitar 138.081 ha. Secara keseluruhan luas lahan yang telah ditanami adalah sekitar 165.000 ha, termasuk tanaman karet dan tanaman lainnya. Dalam proposal akuisisi dijelaskan, nilai aset bersih Lonsum per akhir Maret 2007 adalah Rp 1,4 triliun dengan nilai kapitalisasi pasar sekitar Rp 7 triliun. Melalui rencana akuisisi ini, realisasi rencana jangka panjang Grup Indo Agri untuk memiliki 250.000 hektare perkebunan kelapa sawit akan dapat dipercepat. Setelah penyelesaian transaksi akuisisi, Grup Indo Agri akan menjadi salah satu pemilik perkebunan terbesar di Indonesia, jelasnya. Thomas menjelaskan, Grup IndoAgri, antara lain mengembangkan usaha inti yaitu perkebunan, memperluas lahan, dan meningkatkan produksi untuk memenuhi kebutuhan CPO internal sekaligus produsen atas bibit kelapa sawit unggul. Thomas menjelaskan, sumber dana untuk akuisisi dan penawaran tender akan dibiayai dari kas internal dan pinjaman. Tergantung kepada evaluasi selanjutnya, mungkin sebagian pinjaman yang dapat dibiayai kembali dengan modal atau aktivitas *fund raising, *jelasnya. Dia menambahkan, rencana akuisisi ini akan dilaksanakan berdasarkan pada pelaksanaan *due diligence *oleh Grup IndoAgri, persetujuan para pemegang saham IndoAgri,yaitu Indofood dan First Pacific Company Limited- serta seluruh institusi yang terkait di Indonesia, Singapura dan Hong Kong. Grup IndoAgri adalah perusahaan perkebunan yang terintegrasi dan pengolah minyak goreng, margarin dan *shortenings *dengan merek terkemuka. Nantinya, Grup Salim tercatat menjadi pemilik lahan perkebunan sawit terbesar. Salim berhasil melesat
Re: [obrolan-bandar] Review Part III for ANTM
http://www.antam.com/News/Publications/QR/1Q07.htm Sales ANTM increasing.. (see above link for detail report) RUPS ANTM 30 Mei 07, potential stock split decision 1 old share into 5 new one. Consider your decision carefully to sell or buy with sufficient home work.
[obrolan-bandar] Noon update nickel, tin ( from CNBC Asia TV)~ ] INCO kapan layak beli?
Nickle rose to 14550 (+1.1%) TIN up at 13850 (+100) while still on a down slope now KLTM price: [image: The image http://www.kltm.com.my/daily.gif; cannot be displayed, because it contains errors.]
Re: [obrolan-bandar] Re: INCO bear trend
Gile nickel keep on rising tuh di CNBC Asia ticker tape udah 45750 ampir 2% naiknya.. lha yg udah jualan INCO ANTM .. weleh weleh.. Mudah mudahan banyak retail yg beli murah. ANTM saya dengar dari temen jualannya ikut mayan dng fluktuatif dari market price. TINS jg naik Good luck and have a great weekend guys
Re: [obrolan-bandar] Re: INCO bear trend
Ticker tape does not lies, people does
Re: [obrolan-bandar] ANTM? For your review...
Come on guys, talking about prediction, the market is always right at the end, and for sure we all will die one day sooner or later like one of the suhu said. The mailing list meant to discuss, provoke better thinking. Dont take it personally please. Best regards and happy cuan (quote from one guru I respect).
[obrolan-bandar] Euro and US by 22:30 BBIB
Before retiring to the comfy mattress and snug warmly to your better half: Europe closing in red: SymbolNameLast TradeChange^ATX http://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=%5EATXATX*4, 877.52* 11:11AM ET[image: Down] *5.91* *(0.12%)*^BFXhttp://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=%5EBFX BEL-20*4,715.88* 11:26AM ET[image: Down] *40.94* *(0.86%)*^FCHIhttp://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=%5EFCHICAC 40 France *6,058.31* 11:26AM ET[image: Down] *61.89* *(1.01%)*^GDAXIhttp://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=%5EGDAXIDAX Germany *7,730.26* 11:11AM ET[image: Down] *5.62* *(0.07%)*^AEXhttp://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=%5EAEXAEX General*536.88* 11:26AM ET[image: Down] *4.73* *(0.87%)*^OSEAXhttp://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=%5EOSEAXOSE All Share*564.85* 10:29AM ET[image: Down] *1.19* *(0.21%)*^MIBTELhttp://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=%5EMIBTEL MIBTel*33,642.00* 11:26AM ET[image: Down] *393.00* *(1.15%)*^IXXhttp://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=%5EIXXISE National-100*102.67* 11:05AM ET[image: Down] *0.20* *(0.19%)*^SMSIhttp://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=%5ESMSIMadrid General*1,668.77* 6:15AM ET[image: Down] *8.28* *(0.49%)*^OMXSPIhttp://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=%5EOMXSPIStockholm General*416.97* 11:10AM ET[image: Down] *0.82* *(0.20%)*^SSMIhttp://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=%5ESSMISwiss Market*9,363.20* 11:19AM ET[image: Down] *75.57* *(0.80%)*^FTSEhttp://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=%5EFTSEFTSE 100*6,573.60* 11:26AM ET[image: Down] *42.80* *(0.65%)* DOW is still sliding in red, and so are NASDAQ and SP: SymbolLastChangeDow http://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=%5EDJI13,496.47[image: Down] *29.18* *(0.22%)*Nasdaq http://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=%5EIXIC2,548.86[image: Down] *28.19* *(1.09%)*SP 500 http://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=%5EGSPC1, 514.46[image: Down] *7.82* *(0.51%*
[obrolan-bandar] Update nickel di CNBC ~ INCO bear trend
INCO di CNBC ASIA TV jam 10:45 pagi ini US$ 45450 naik 0.94% Palm oil naik 1.08 % jadi 2524 Timah stabil di US$13750 US$ 1= Rp. 8780 (+ 45) Factor that in your decision carefully
Re: [obrolan-bandar] Re: Official Data 22 May 2007
15:23 INCO 64000
Re: [obrolan-bandar] Kayanya aku mau ikutan jualan INCO ANTM juga ni
10:30 am CNBC ASIA nickel naik lagi 0.2% beli lagi Inco?
Re: Re[2]: [obrolan-bandar] pesaing CPRO DI TENDER DIPASENA
CPRO gagal keliatannya udah ada yg punya info makanya diguyur terus kebawah? Srkg 600 semoga ga banyak yg nyangkut.
Re: Re[2]: [obrolan-bandar] pesaing CPRO DI TENDER DIPASENA
Berita di Tempo sih 23 Mei announcementnya. Apa saya salah baca?
Re: [obrolan-bandar] permintaan maaf , subject test , tidak perlu dibuka bila tidak diinginkan
Ya bukannya sekiranya bung DS, saya juga merasa terganggu dng test email yg tidak selayaknya di lakukan dimilis. Itu setahu saya aturan atau ethic di milis yg madani. th On 5/20/07, Dodik SUDIYONO [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: dear pak Tanu Jakaria mohon maaf sekiranya mengganggu para anggota milis dan pak Tanu, email saya dengan subject test, karena saya sedang mengoprek POP dan SMTP supaya lebih irit pulsa telepon. salam perkenalan -- Dodik Sudiyono Yahoo! Groups Links
[obrolan-bandar] AP - Dow Surge ahead (fyi)
Dow http://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=%5EDJI13,427.96[image: Up] *81.18* * ( 0.61%)*Nasdaq http://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=%5EIXIC2,547.36[image: Up] * 0.92* * (0.04%)*SP 500 http://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=%5EGSPC1,508.52[image: Up] *5.37* * (0.36%)*(jam 22:05 WIB). *AP* Stocks Surge on Inflation Figures Tuesday May 15, 10:34 am ET By Joe Bel Bruno, AP Business Writer Stocks Surge on Tame Inflation Data, Dow Crosses 13,400 NEW YORK (AP) -- Wall Street bounded higher Tuesday, propelling the Dow Jones industrials past 13,400 for the first time, after mild inflation figures raised hopes the Federal Reserve might cut interest rates later this year. Investors were encouraged to extend the market's months-long rally after the Labor Department reported prices paid by consumers rose less than expected in April, and indicated that inflation may be easing as the economy continues to cool. The consumer price index rose 0.4 percent after rising 0.6 percent in March, while core prices -- which exclude food and energy -- rose 0.2 percent after a 0.1 percent gain. It's certainly a good reaction to a lower-than-expected headline inflation number and that gives the Fed some will room if it needs to cut rates, said Nick Raich director of research at National City Private Client Group, referring to the Federal Reserve's next move on short-term interest rates. Dow components Home Depot Inc. and Wal-Mart Stores Inc. handed Wall Street disappointing first-quarter results. Both companies are considered to be proxies for consumer spending, and weaker sales were translated as another sign the economy continues to moderate. In midmorning trading, the Dow rose 91.42, or 0.68 percent, to 13,438.20after rising to a new trading high of 13, 452.75. Broader stock indicators also advanced. The Standard Poor's 500 index was up 8.85, or 0.59 percent, at 1,512.00, while the Nasdaq composite index recovered from an earlier loss and rose 10.67, or 0.42 percent, to 2,557.11. Bonds rose as fixed-income investors reacted to the economic reports, with the yield on the benchmark 10-year Treasury note falling to 4.68 percent from 4.69 percent late Monday. The dollar was mixed against other major currencies, while gold prices advanced. A barrel of light sweet crude declined 26 cents to $62.72 on the New York Mercantile Exchange. There remained looming concerns in the commodities market about refinery problems and uncertainties over whether U.S. gasoline inventories can meet summer driving demand. Investors were awaiting the National Association of Home Builders housing market index, which was being released later in the session. It could show whether the housing sector is showing any signs of recovery. On Wednesday, the Commerce Department will report housing starts and building permits that might provide more clues about the housing market. Builders broke ground on 1.52 million homes in March, and results for last month are expected to show a slight decline. The reports come after a government report last week that indicated moderating inflation at the wholesale level. That data also lifted hopes that the Federal Reserve might not need to raise rates, and might consider a cut later this year. Fed Chairman Ben Bernanke gave the market no new insights into his views on the economy and inflation. He addressed the growth of credit derivatives and other financial instruments during a speech before a financial markets conference in Georgia. Home Depot, the nation's largest home improvement chain, posted lower quarterly profit as a sluggish U.S. housing market dented sales. Sales at stores open at least a year, an important measure of how retailers fared, slumped 7.6 percent. Wal-Mart Stores, the world's largest retailer, missed Wall Street projections and warned second-quarter results might be disappointing. Last week, it reported April same-store sales were the weakest its history for April. Shares of Wal-Mart fell 19 cents to $47.65, while Home Depot shed 89 cents, or 2.3 percent, to $38.12. Lowe's Cos., the second-largest home improvement chain, fell 23 cents to $30.76. Sales figures reported by dozens of retailers last week raised concerns on Wall Street about consumer spending, which accounts for two-thirds of total economic activity. Reuters Group PLC agreed Tuesday to a $17.2 billion takeover by Thomson that would vault the combined entity ahead of Bloomberg to become the world's largest financial data and news provider. Shares of Reuters rose $2.62, or 3.7 percent, to $74.24; Thomson fell 9 cents to $41.91. Advancing issues outnumbered decliners by about 3 to 1 on the New York Stock Exchange, where volume came to 311.1 million shares. The Russell 2000 index of smaller companies rose 4.42, or 0.54 percent, at 826.75. Overseas, Japan's Nikkei stock average fell 0.93 percent. In afternoon trading, Britain's FTSE 100 was down 0.04 percent, Germany's DAX index rose 0.17 percent, and France's CAC-40 added 0.05 percent. New York Stock
Re: [obrolan-bandar] Re: ANTM
Betul emang perlu kesabaran dan emosi yg stabil kalau analisis sudah dilakukan dan homework been done. Baik trading apalagi investasi. Jangan harap spt kopi instan. On 5/14/07, Joel Lin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: valuasi ANTM udah lama di milis ini dan dari Pak Sudes sudah lama bicara kalo valuasi di +/-$2.5, nah itu tergantung sendiri, percaya hitungngan orang2? ... beli sesuai isi hati kamu dan kalo bener2 percaya analisa sendiri then go ahead, make your day! :D menurut saya sih ... tunggu ANTM bagi dividen trus stock split dan kinerjanya kalo memang bagus, nanti EPS bagus dan PER rendah harga saham menreflek harga valuasi ok . . . juga tersera bandar2 mau di naikin ke berapa deh . . . he he he
[obrolan-bandar] Re: [saham] Strong appetite for tin in China
Grafik KLTM kemarin 14 Mei 2007. [image: The image http://www.kltm.com.my/daily.gif; cannot be displayed, because it contains errors.]
Re: [obrolan-bandar] Re: ANTM
Lihat berita di koran Kontan hari ini tentang ANTAM, target analis Rp. 25.000.- Good luck.. On 5/14/07, Vic [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Re: [obrolan-bandar] Re: ANTM
Udah 16150 tadi On 5/14/07, Rei [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Saya rasa ok pak, antm support di 16rb kan? Open langsung 16100. Sapa tahu bisa dapat 15900-16000, biasa kan ada tp? *James Arifin [EMAIL PROTECTED]* wrote: Gimana kalau pas market buka langsung buy di harga berapapun karena ANTM sudah konfirm valuasinya 25000 seperti dipublish di KONTAN On 5/14/07, Joel Lin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kita invest karena fundamentalnya ANTM bagus ... gak usah peduli jangka pendek ... yg penting evaluasinya per share +/-$2.5 asumsi $ - Rp.8000 masih di Rp.20,000 so wait aja kalo udah capai target. On 5/14/07, Teddy Halim [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Lihat berita di koran Kontan hari ini tentang ANTAM, target analis Rp. 25.000.- Good luck.. On 5/14/07, Vic [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -- Got a little couch potato? Check out fun summer activities for kids.http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=48248/*http://search.yahoo.com/search?fr=oni_on_mailp=summer+activities+for+kidscs=bz
Re: [obrolan-bandar] Yamaha kembali Ungguli Honda
Saya lebih tertarik membaca fenomena ini dampaknya apa terhadap ASII. Honda Motor di Indonesia masih dibawah Astra kah? Berapa persen kontribusi mereka thdp ASII? Kalau dibaca sederhana, sales nya turun ya profitnya bisa bisa ikut turun apalagi kehilangan market share gini. Dan apa strategi perlawanan Honda thdp Yamaha itu yg bisa meyakinkan saya sbg investor mereka sudah punya resep jitu utk membalikkan arus erosi pangsa pasar?
[obrolan-bandar] China's equity bubble is building, may bust
China's equity bubble is building, may bust (chinadaily.com.cn) Updated: 2007-05-07 10:30 China's all-time high equity market needs cool water and cool heads after taking a 7-day Golden Week breather, otherwise the stock bubble runs the danger of a quick bust, experts said. Since its nine-percent correction in late February, the Shanghai A-share equities have now moved back up more than 40 percent, and no letup is seen on the horizon, buoyed by a series of successful initial public offerings as the ranks of investors swell at over 200,000 a day. There are now more than 91 million accounts held at brokers or mutual funds. Xia Bing, director of the State Council's Development and Research Center's Finance Department, warned at a recent CCTV talk show program, that the stock market bubble is building. He and a string of other economists suggested investors take extra caution before jumping onto the bandwagon. And, analysts at BCA Research put it in a recent note to its customers: We have no doubt if China's market continues to spike up, the stage will be set for a very violent drop. In late April, the People's Bank of China ordered the ratio of commercial banks deposits at the central bank be raised to 11 percent, but the measure failed to dampen the bullish market. The surge has continued. Many economists are anticipating another interest rate hike in May or June to stonewall the soar. Some critics argue the way the mainland IPO market is being run systematically fans the irrational expectations of a huge number of novice investors with the promise of easy and quick money, storing up trouble ahead. It is widely believed that mainland investors are mostly momentum-driven and ignorant of valuations, but they can see the IPO market is serving up a bargain. While stocks in the A-share market trade at stiff premiums to Hong Kong, dual-listed equities often continue to list at a discount in the mainland. The situation is due to the influence of the powerful China Securities Regulatory Commission (CSRC) which micromanages new listings, sets final pricing of IPOs and subsequent fund-raisings as well as deciding who gets to list, analysts said. For example, Bank of Communications recently listed at 7-20% cheaper in Shanghai than in Hong Kong, following a similar practice for China Life Insurance and Ping An Insurance. In most other competitive markets, pricing is a commercial compromise based on what companies think they can get and what investment banks think the market can take. A standard move these days is for the CRSR to force companies to set a lower price on their IPOs in the hope of a strong stock market performance. This has undoubtedly contributed to the general market euphoria. The average price-to-earnings ratio of Shanghai and Shenzhen markets is now over 50. In the absence of traditional measures to cool the market such as significantly raising interest rates, another solution the authorities, in the hope to achieve a stronger and more stable market, are eyeing to bolster the stock market is by adding more quality companies to soak up excess liquidity. The authorities have inspired mainland companies to list on domestic bourses rather than Hong Kong's, it has further encouraged overseas quality companies, such as the venerable HSBC Holdings to list A-shares in the mainland.
Re: [obrolan-bandar] TP INCO 51000???
INCO 64200 sessi 2
Re: [obrolan-bandar] stok split ANTM
www.antam.com On 5/7/07, sualemm m [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ada isuu stok split ANTM kapanya -- Ahhh...imagining that irresistible new car smell? Check out new cars at Yahoo! Autos.http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=48245/*http://autos.yahoo.com/new_cars.html;_ylc=X3oDMTE1YW1jcXJ2BF9TAzk3MTA3MDc2BHNlYwNtYWlsdGFncwRzbGsDbmV3LWNhcnM-
Re: [obrolan-bandar] Re: tambahan dari Pak Adi Chandra untuk para milis saham.
Jadi jawaban atas soal yg dilempar mbah apa ya pak Adi? Pengen tahu opini bapak. thanks, th
Re: [obrolan-bandar] Re: Yo wis lah aku cover short INCO, isk.. gajah aja ludes
JEbol INCO ke 63750 dah barusan cak..
Re: [obrolan-bandar] Nikel 3 months membentuk pola ascending triangle dengan target 46rb.
Ya mungkin kenaikan volume Inco kemarin yg luar biasa dan harganya sudah discounted dahulu oleh pemain besar dng sumber info yg prima. Hari ini keliatannya bakal gap up,bbrp broker broker pada recommend beli tuh. Overall secara fundamental industrinya (global) nikel tetap sangat prospektif. Rio Tinto driving a hard drive utk dapatkan ijin penambangan juga di Sulawesi. Keep Inco for long term investment menurut saya. On 5/4/07, Herman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Re: [obrolan-bandar] Re: Cak.. aku mau tunggu harga bawah lagi mau ambil INCO
Tuh dpt di 62400 buruan deh..
Re: [obrolan-bandar] Cina macan kertas?
Mungkin bener juga ya Tiongkok macan kertas. Kenapa tapi Amrik cemas banget dng mata uang Tiongkok? Dulu desek desek spy di peg, skrg minta minta ngancam segala spy di apresiasi.. Double standard Amrik dimana mana udah terkenal. Kalau kata bung Karno alm. neo imperialism. Selamat berakhir minggu happy cuan,
Re: [obrolan-bandar] MLPL -- Saham gorengan masa depan
saham group Lippo mah jangan dipegang deh kalau buat investor. Kalu ada temen di grup situ tanya baik baik gimana cara manajemennya. On 4/25/07, julius_angkawijaya [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: percaya gak ..? buy now for future profit
Re: [obrolan-bandar] Inco
Pak I, Pak JA, apakah news / laporan Quarter 1 udah di discounted / factored in thdp down trend harga Inco ini? Kindly enlighten please. thanks pak On 4/26/07, ihsg 88 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 54000 tidak akan tersentuh kecuali market crash. Dan dalam seminggu lagi saya tidak melihat tanda-2 tersebut. Saya tunggu Bozz di 58500 - 59000. Patternnya sudah bagus. Waktu sudah dekat tinggal 6 hari kerja. Paling-2 kalau Bozz niat kerjain cuma 3 hari lagi, tapi tidak hari ini. Dalam analisa saya (BIN) cuma ada 2 bozz yang konsisten PT. Salam cuan.
Re: [obrolan-bandar] Re: Selasa Koreksi
udah ada mas, di posting pa Sudes pertama, roughly bisa ngitung sendiri dng ratio itu saya pikir. 1 poin INCO = Rp.50 = 0,077647 poin index 20 poin INCO = Rp.1.000 = 1,552941 poin index On 4/24/07, Daniel Wong [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Berarti lebih baik diajarkan cara menghitungnya saja pak, biar kita bisa menghitung sendiri? ;) Peace. DW
[obrolan-bandar] Timah di bursa KL siang ini rebound dikit
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[obrolan-bandar] Re: ANTM upgrade, INCO-- TARGET WAJAR
Betul pak Oentoeng, setelah tgl pencatatan nama pemegang saham Inco kemungkinan akan ada penurunan setidaknya sebesar dividen yg diperkirakan sekitar Rp.4000 after tax. Namum perlu di ingat juga ga lama lagi hasil Quarter I 2007 akan di umumkan, dan secara jangka panjang utk porto folio Inco saya pikir ada baiknya di consider sebagai investment bukan utk trading. Jadi ekspektasi saya dividen interimnya pun nanti akan gemericing nyaring spt dividen 2006 ini. Saya percaya dng rata rata harga jual nikel masih tinggi spt di analisis oleh pak Eka beberapa bln lalu, tingkat keuntungan PT Inco akan tetap kinclong banget. So will ANTM. Beli saham sebenarnya seperti kita ikut berusaha diperusahaan tsb jangan lupa. Jangan selalu melihat saham sbg komoditas. At the end it is important to win the war (if we can say bursa is a battle ground). Itu pandangan saya sbg pemula di portofolio investasi kategori equities. So Rp. 100.000 per lembar is realistic dan cukup konservatif. Ada kemungkinan juga saham Inco post dividen minggu depan, malah naik kencang ngambilin yg jual utk trading paska dividen. Ingat barangnya udah langka. Plan your investment. As the wise saying says: no body plan to fail, we only fail to plan. Selamat berhari Minggu yg bahagia, sejahtera, th
Re: [obrolan-bandar] Trading Softwares in 36 Hrs India/4 Days Non-India.
Friends, Just be carefull to all with this kind of offers. We recently had so many fly by night operators in Indonesia swindling so much from unaware, unsophiticated investors. Trust no body but yourself and do lots of homework to verify before you part with your monies. Best regards, th ps: Pak Moderator, mudah mudahan info spt ini tetap dianggap spam, krn unsolicitated. On 4/20/07, Trading Softwares [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: DEAR MODERATOR/GROUP OWNER: I apologise if U do not allow your group to be used for business purpose, but I am sure there will be many members in this group who would be interested in this offer. Hence I am taking this Liberty this ONE Time. Pls Xcuse me allow me to mail. Appreciated. This is not a SPAM as its mailed bcz V R in same group.This is Sale offer of SWs. Pls reply if U dont want this mail with subject ~DELETE ME~. Read the attached file about Technicals Analysis-A readworthy info.
Re: [obrolan-bandar] Re: ANTM upgrade, INCO-- TARGET WAJAR
Betul pak I, beli lagi kalau turun itu rencana saya minggu depan ini. Percentage saya akan bobotkan lebih banyak dari total portofolio ekuitas. I will take this one for a long haul.. Best regards, th
[obrolan-bandar] Graph Jumat lalu nikel Re: ANTM upgrade, INCO-- TARGET WAJAR
Tambahan info latest graph ex LME.com per hari Jumat kemarin dulu ini, kalau di related dng kejadian data pertumbuhan ekonomi Tiongkok maka kebutuhan nikel utk proses stainless stell tidak akan surut dalam thn ini. Blm ditambah kebutuhan negeri negeri dng pertumbuhan tinggi spt BRICK. [image: http://www.lme.com/price_charts_director.asp]
[obrolan-bandar] Re: Ada apa dg INCO ?? FRIDAY the 13th
Weleh weleh koq bisa balik ke Jumat tgl 13 Mr Boen? Besok mah udah tgl 25 April .. wake up sir it is just a nightmare dream.. Have a great Friday the morrow. th yang punya TINS and ANTM mulai pusing pusing dan kalau gak cepat cut loss mungkin mulai mencret mencret . Kalau tetap maksain market mungkin besok pingsan beneran ..muntah darah hehehe remember,.. tomorrow is friday the 13th ( bad dreams ) ada yang bisa nolongin gak !! mr.boen
Re: [obrolan-bandar] Re: Ada apa dg INCO ?? FRIDAY the 13th
Hahaha kirain ga pada ngeh ..betul pak 20 April 2007.. Dan rasanya besok masih lanjut rah merah... kali tergantung bank Sentral Tiongkok apa naik ga interest rate nya dng segera. Kalau masih pending ya market saya rasa akan wait and see. Tiongkok Consumer Indexnya sih turun , cuman GDP Quarter I yg naik gile..jauh diatas prakiraan. th
Re: [obrolan-bandar] Re: Ada apa dg INCO ??
Ayo dong bang bandar cobain tuh masa ditantangin ga geming dikit? Apa kontrarian aja mau mau gw dong hahaha.. market mau turun gw naikin swgl
[obrolan-bandar] Tin closing di Kuala Lumpur hari ini
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Re: [obrolan-bandar] Mr Fs tidak pelit :(
Pentingkah orang mana? Yg penting buat saya mendapatkan informasi secara berimbang dan saya mencoba mencernakan, menafsirkan sebaik baiknya di kombinasi dng masukan lain dari TA, FA, termasuk juga rasa takut dan congok bin serakah saya. Bahasa? Selama saya bisa ngerti maksudnya cukup. Kita bukan milis bahasa rasanya. Salam sejahtera, investor proletar my two lots. th
[obrolan-bandar] Re: TINS
Mid-day price Kuala Lumpur Exchange: Tin price. [image: The image http://www.kltm.com.my/daily.gif; cannot be displayed, because it contains errors.]
Re: [obrolan-bandar] K.E.J.U.T.A.N. M.A.N.D.I.R.I
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[obrolan-bandar] Timah sareng nikel
Timah siang ini di KL rebound, sementara berita di LME nikel juga positif rebound lagi. [image: Subscribers only]javascript:OpenPopup(HelpItem.aspx?Code=AVreps,BaseMetals,scrollbars=yes,width=400,height=450,) *Nickel closes LME up $3,100 at $48,500/t, just $50 below recordjavascript:OpenPopup(HelpItem.aspx?Code=AVreps,BaseMetals,scrollbars=yes,width=400,height=450,) *BaseMetals.com - Martin Hayes - Nickel ended an active LME session trading $3,100 a tonne, or 6.8 percent, higher at $48,500, having earlier equalled its March 16 all-time high of $48,550. Gains were trigged by the general strong trend in the wholjavascript:OpenPopup(HelpItem.aspx?Code=AVreps,BaseMetals,scrollbars=yes,width=400,height=450,) [image: The image http://www.kltm.com.my/daily.gif; cannot be displayed, because it contains errors.]
[obrolan-bandar] Bombay India drop 3.27%, hati hati
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Re: [obrolan-bandar] Re: Ngambil Deviden INCO dimana?
Baca di iklan INCO di Kompas hari ini ada. th
[obrolan-bandar] Norilsk Says Nickel May Be in Surplus on New Chinese Supplies
http://www.bloomberg.com/ Norilsk Says Nickel May Be in Surplus on New Chinese Supplies By Matthew Craze March 29 (Bloomberg) -- MMC Norilsk Nickel, the world's largest producer of the metal, said the market may be in surplus this year on increasing ``unconventional'' supplies from China, easing near-record prices. Nickel pig iron, which China makes from laterite ores imported from the Philippines and New Caledonia, may make up for a global shortage of the metal, Moscow-based Norilsk's chief economist David Humphreys said. China may be producing between 70,000 and 100,000 tons a year of the metal, he said, citing estimates made by other analysts. China's imports of laterite ores may rise more than 59 percent this year as demand for nickel increases from mills that need the raw material for booming stainless-steel production, according to Beijing Antaike Information Co., which advises the government on metal policies. ``This unconventional supply from China is big,'' Humphreys said in an interview at the CRU World Copper Conference in Santiago. ``China is not going to be growing its purchases of refined nickel.'' Nickel closed at a record $47,700 a ton on March 16 and has risen eightfold on the London Metal Exchange since 2001 amid falling stockpiles. The substitute nickel pig iron may cause China's nickel imports to slow, according to Norilsk. The material costs 40 percent less than the refined metal, Xu Aidong, a metals analyst at Beijing Antaike, said March 21. Currect nickel prices may discourage buying from stainless- steel producers because they may be unable to pass on the cost of purchasing the metal as a surcharge, Humphreys said. Norilsk Nickel may have a ``small'' increase in production this year through the acquisition of Cleveland, Ohio-based OM Group, a $408 million deal it completed on March 1, Humphreys said. Norilsk may increase nickel production to 260,000 tons a year by 2010, compared with 240,000 tons now, he said. Norilsk may be overtaken by Rio de Janeiro-based Cia. Vale do Rio Doce as the world's largest nickel producer after Vale purchased Toronto-based Inco Ltd. for $16.7 billion this year. To contact the reporter on this story: Matthew Craze in Santiago at [EMAIL PROTECTED] . *Last Updated: March 29, 2007 20:06 EDT* [image: Print] javascript:window.print() Terms of Service http://www.bloomberg.com/notices/tos.html | Privacy Policy http://www.bloomberg.com/notices/privacy.html | Trademarkshttp://www.bloomberg.com/notices/trademarks.html
Re: [obrolan-bandar] FTSE opening lower
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[obrolan-bandar] Re: Sideways was Setelah membaca berita dibawah ini, kita tunggu DOW malam ini.
Ameriak Syarikat tutup: Streaming Quotes: javascript:void(0) Turn OFF javascript:void(0)[image: NASDAQ Composite Index (^IXIC)]http://finance.yahoo.com/q/bc?s=%5eIXICt=1dc= SymbolLastChangeDow http://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=%5EDJI12,300.36[image: Down] *96.93* *(0.78%)*Nasdaq http://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=%5EIXIC2,417.10[image: Down] *20.33* *(0.83%)*SP 500 http://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=%5EGSPC1, 417.23[image: Down] *12.38* *(0.87%)* Stocks End Lower Amid Inflation Concernshttp://us.rd.yahoo.com/finance/finhome/topstories/apf/*http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/070328/wall_street.html?.v=32AP - Stocks fell Wednesday after Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke chided investors who may have looked past long-standing concerns about inflation after recent comments from the central bank. - Bernanke: Economic Expansion Not Donehttp://us.rd.yahoo.com/finance/news/topnews/*http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/070328/bernanke.html?.v=23 AP Sementara Eropa kemarin: SymbolNameLast TradeChange^ATX http://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=%5EATXATX*4, 609.69* 11:35AM ET[image: Down] *33.28* *(0.72%)*^BFXhttp://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=%5EBFX BEL-20*4,441.23* 12:27PM ET[image: Down] *30.99* *(0.69%)*^FCHIhttp://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=%5EFCHICAC 40*5,552.69* 12:32PM ET[image: Down] *34.37* *(0.62%)*^GDAXIhttp://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=%5EGDAXI DAX*6,816.89* 11:45AM ET[image: Down] *41.45* *(0.60%)*^AEXhttp://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=%5EAEXAEX General*505.11* 12:27PM ET[image: Down] *3.10* *(0.61%)*^OSEAXhttp://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=%5EOSEAXOSE All Share*519.52* 10:29AM ET[image: Up] *3.67* *(0.71%)*^MIBTELhttp://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=%5EMIBTEL MIBTel*32,074.00* 11:40AM ET[image: Down] *77.00* *(0.24%)*^IXXhttp://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=%5EIXXISE National-100*95.08* 4:29PM ET[image: Down] *0.78* *(0.81%)*^SMSIhttp://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=%5ESMSIMadrid General*1,605.07* 11:38AM ET[image: Down] *5.18* *(0.32%)*^OMXSPIhttp://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=%5EOMXSPIStockholm General*391.68* 11:44AM ET[image: Down] *3.92* *(0.99%)*^SSMIhttp://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=%5ESSMISwiss Market*8,870.56* 11:30AM ET[image: Down] *95.73* *(1.07%)*^FTSEhttp://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=%5EFTSEFTSE 100*6,267.20* 11:36AM ET[image: Down] *25.40* *(0.40%)*
Re: [obrolan-bandar] UBS : UNSP is top plantation pick of UBS
Jangan lupa UNSP ini grup Bakri.. jadi consider bener bener deh. Saya mending pegang AALI, LSIP.
[obrolan-bandar] Berapa harga jual terkontrak INCO d/h Re: China Jinchuan
Apakah total (100%) product INCO sudah terikat kontrak beli jangka panjang? Kalau iya apakah ada klausul bila ada kenaikan harga atau penurunan harga yg bisa mempengaruhi tingkat profitabilitas INCO? Seandainya sudah terkontrak katakan di harga U$ 24.725 ./ ton ga banyak artinya kenaikan harga nikel global kepada bottom line INCO thn 2006/2007. Bisa tolong pencerahan terhadap aspek ini. Sejauh ini saya blm baca ada analisa (atau keliwat ga baca) ttg ini. terima kasih, th On 3/24/07, Ardiat P. Purna [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mengulang kembali informasi dari direksi, berdasarkan press release direksi INCO awal Maret, harga rata2 nikel penjualan 2006 terealisasi di harga US$24,725/ton. Produksi 2006 turun 7% dibanding 2005, tapi tahun ini ditargetkan akan naik kembali menyamai 2005. Kemungkinan target bisa tercapai, indikasi adalah produksi Q4 2006 lebih baik dari Q4 2005 dg kondisi tidak lebih baik dari 2005. Untuk mendukung produksi 2007 berjalan lancar, INCO sudah memesan generator diesel, jika kekurangan pasokan listrik dari PLTA. Komentar saya, setuju dg analisis bahwa EPS INCO sebesar US$ 1 bisa tercapai dg harga nikel US$ 32,000 saja. Pergerakan harga nikel yg kembali jatuh di LME mungkin akan berhenti stabil di kisaran US$ 40,000. Jadi INCO secara fundamental sudah sangat murah sekali di harga pasar Rp. 49,000 saat ini. Dari analisa bandar, kelihatan transaksi Jumat, bandar sudah berhitung dari inventory LME bahwa meskipun nikel telah rebound hari sebelumnya, tapi akan jatuh kembali. Dan terbukti harga nikel anjlok ke kisaran US$ 45,000 ( sekitar 5% ). Senin kemungkinan bandar akan nge-short, dibawa ke 48,000, lalu ke 46,000 .. Bagi fundamentalis tidak usah hiraukan pergerakan harga, tapi bagi trader silakan ambil bagian Salam, On 3/23/07, dazzledtrader [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: USD 32000/wmt adalah kira2 rata2 harga nikel pada 4Q06. Sedangkan untuk 1Q07, kira2 harga rata2 nikel adalah USD 42000/wmt. Dg asumsi USD 32000/wmt EPS INCO = 1 USD, dg hitungan USD 42000/wmt INCO EPS = 1.6 USD. Dengan EPS = 1.6 USD, bukankah INCO menjadi pencetak laba terbesar BEJ, bahkan melebihi TLKM utk 2007 ini? Untuk EPS = 1.6 USD, bahkan dengan PER hanya 8x, harga sudah di atas 100rb. Bagaimana kalau PER = 10x? Dan jika nikel tahun 2007 terus naik dan rata2nya menjadi USD 47000/wmt?? Bagaimana opini para fundamentalist ttg ini? Salam, -Darmawan --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com obrolan-bandar%40yahoogroups.com, Samuel Sudeswanto Yeung [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: harga nikel memang bisa turun suatu saat nanti, karena itu kita asumsikan harga jual nikel untuk ANTM dan INCO tetap di level USD 32000/mt, yang berarti diskon sekitar 30% dari harga nikel sekarang dan itu sudah lebih dari cukup sekedar tambahan, nikel maupun hasil tambang lainnya adalah sumber daya alam yang tidak dapat diperbaharui, kalaupun bisa, tidak dalam jangka waktu dekat; nikel adalah salah satu bahan logam yang dapat kita temui dalam sehari-hari sehingga kebutuhannya juga cukup tinggi. dengan jumlah sumber daya alam yang terbatas dan kebutuhan yang cukup tinggi, seberapa jauh dia akan turun? (dalam jangka panjang sekali...sumber daya nikel akan habis ditambang) yang bisa dilakukan hanya di daur ulang, biaya daur ulang untuk saat ini lebih mahal daripada biaya menambang mungkin saya salah mengenai pandangan akan nikel, (berbeda dengan sumber daya energi seperti minyak dan batubara, walaupun mereka tidak dapat diperbaharui, tetapi sekarang sumber daya energi sudah ada subtitusinya yaitu CPO dan ethanol yang bisa didapat dari kelapa sawit, pohon jarak, jagung, dsb), namun dengan asumsi harga nikel USD 32000/mt maka EPS dari INCO untuk tahun 2007 bisa mencapai USD 1/saham; berapa valuasinya per saham nya? silahkan hitung sendiri sekali lagi, perkiraan EPS sebesar USD 1/saham untuk INCO dibuat berdasarkan asumsi harga nikel sebesar USD 32000/mt, andaikata harga nikel di pasaran dunia bisa turun drastis, selama berada diatas USD 32.000/mt; EPS INCO tetap diperkirakan sebesar USD 1/saham (asumsi yang sama juga digunakan pada ANTM) i dont care about market mover or bandar, i care only to God! so...kalo harga INCO dan ANTM turun? silahkan...saya malah senang dan sangat berterimakasih ^^ ini dibuat berdasarkan perhitungan fundamental yang ada saat ini yang dapat berubah bila ada penyesuaian terhadap informasi yang ada, tolong dibedakan dengan pergerakan harian yang lebih cenderung ke arah teknikal. semoga bermanfaat dan God bless you all ^^ --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.comobrolan-bandar%40yahoogroups.com, Joe Grunk joe_grunk@ wrote: China Jinchuan warns pricey nickel may cause crash International nickel prices reached $48,500 a tonne on Friday China`s top nickel producer Jinchuan Group Ltd warned that oversupply could cause a crash in nickel proces in the next few years as crazy
Re: [obrolan-bandar] BULLISH 2 BULAN....INCO...
Ngumpulin buat dividen kali pak..udah dekat khan tgl 30 Maret RUPS di Grand Hyatt Jakarta. Kalu bener dividen 4-5 rb kan mayan tuh. Ave jadi murah hehehe..he.. Tadi di gejrot kaya tahu gejrot biar rontok semua kaum proletar abis itu di pancing lagi barangnya balik. Mayan kan tadi ngambil dibawah selagi hawa dingin serem bertiup. On 3/22/07, Rei [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: eh...ngomong2 Inco ada apa ya? Tadi masih -400, sekarang sudah +1800 hehe... *jsx_consultant [EMAIL PROTECTED]* wrote: Saat ini IHSG 1800 (+21)... Kalo dalam 2 bulan bisa sampe 2000 (+200), artinya KURANG LEBIH IHSG naik 7 point sehari Embah perkirakan dana yang masuk BEJ akan masuk secara merata selama 2 bulan kedepan AYO KAMU BISA. --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com obrolan-bandar%40yahoogroups.com, laksono dwighty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: hidup mbah...! ramalanbikin sedihbikin takut.. mending naikin ihsg ampe 1870 sampai april jsx_consultant [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Embah engga percaya sama yang namanya RAMALAN, embah cuman percaya ama ANALISA ILMIAH atau RAMALAN yg didasari analisa ilmiah... Embah sih percaya ama Mamanya Anak anak aja... hehehe... --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com obrolan-bandar%40yahoogroups.com, Rei highwaystar91@ wrote: Amin Mbah! Semoga saja, TAPI Mama Lauren meramalkan sebelum Juni ini akan ada gempa besar yang akan membuat Jakarta panik! Mirip dgn gempa di Kobe 1995... Alamak! Percaya nggak percaya... ini mah terserah yang di atas. Kita bisa apa? Salam, Rei jsx_consultant jsx-consultant@ wrote: Dari analisa FUND-FLOW, embah melihat kemungkinan dalam 2 bulan kedepan ini akan BULLISH... Embah meliat AWAL bullish ini kemarin ketika, index sectoral BEJ HIJAU tapi di 'REKAYASA' dengan menekan TLKM (-200) Strategi formasi X mungkin DIGELAR, tapi embah memprediksikan bahwa dalam 2 bulan ini IHSG akan bullish terlepas dari regional... Mudah mudahan benar hehehe... --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.comobrolan-bandar%40yahoogroups.com, Rei highwaystar91@ wrote: Dimana DJ naik kenceng, regional hijau (STI tadi sampe up 2%), index kita nggak bergerak banyak meski up 12 pts saja dan mandek...wuah, ngantuk. Bosan... - Need Mail bonding? Go to the Yahoo! Mail QA for great tips from Yahoo! Answers users. - It's here! Your new message! Get new email alerts with the free Yahoo! Toolbar. - The fish are biting. Get more visitors on your site using Yahoo! Search Marketing. -- Don't get soaked. Take a quick peek at the forecast with theYahoo! Search weather shortcut.
Re: [obrolan-bandar] Re: Nickel koreksi lagi
Maksudnya Rp.50.000 per lembar saham saya rasa. Data di LME sih turun harga nikel udah 2 hari ini. Entah kalau ada data lebih baru lagi tengah malam buta di London atau bursa lain? On 3/21/07, Mr. T [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kayaknya kebalik dia, mungkin ngomong harga spot?
[obrolan-bandar] Regional ini hari ijo, timah sidways, nikel naik ke US$ 50rb/ton
SymbolNameLast TradeChange^AORD http://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=%5EAORDAll Ordinaries5,839.30 1:10AM ET[image: Up] 21.50 (0.37%)^SSEChttp://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=%5ESSECShanghai Composite3,014.44 3:00AM ET[image: Up] 83.96 (2.87%)^HSIhttp://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=%5EHSIHang Seng19,172.44 2:44AM ET[image: Up] 218.94 (1.16%)^BSESNhttp://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=%5EBSESNBSE 3012,566.81 3:44AM ET[image: Up] 136.41 (1.10%)^JKSEhttp://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=%5EJKSEJakarta Composite1,777.89 Mar 16[image: Up] 1.53 (0.09%)^KLSEhttp://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=%5EKLSEKLSE Composite1,193.19 3:44AM ET[image: Up] 10.99 (0.93%)^N225http://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=%5EN225Nikkei 22517,009.55 3:00AM ET[image: Up] 265.40 (1.59%)^NZ50http://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=%5ENZ50NZSE 504,050.31 1:35AM ET[image: Up] 12.72 (0.31%)^STIhttp://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=%5ESTIStraits Times3,115.77 3:44AM ET[image: Up] 47.02 (1.53%)^KS11http://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=%5EKS11Seoul Composite1,443.39 2:01AM ET[image: Up] 15.51 (1.09%)^TWIIhttp://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=%5ETWIITaiwan Weighted7,737.46 1:46AM ET[image: Up] 17.66 (0.23%) Harga Timah Kuala Lumpur 19 Maret 2007: [image: The image http://www.kltm.com.my/daily.gif; cannot be displayed, because it contains errors.] * ** Nickel tops $50,000/tonne *http://www.thehindubusinessline.com/2007/03/18/stories/2007031800050400.htm * G Chandrashekhar * * Market fears delay in supplies, disruption in supplies * -- * Behind bull run Global nickel consumption posted a strong 8.1 per cent year-on-year rise in January. Experts say if price rally continues nickel demand will suffer from substitution. * -- Mumbai March 17 Nickel prices have rallied and are setting a series of all-time highs. The impressive price performance can be gauged from the market movement. London Metal Exchange cash prices registered $50,875 a tonne on Friday, up $800 from the previous day. LME three-month is $47,700/tonne, disclosing a cash to three-month backwardation of around the wide $3,000/tonne level. Strong demand for stainless steel has continued unabated. In addition is the delay in supplies and fear of disruptions. At the LME the inventory levels are critically low at 3,564 tonnes. High consumption The latest data released by International Nickel Study Group showed that the nickel market was in a 39,700 tonnes cumulative deficit in 2006 as a whole. In January this year, the market fell into a modest 1,800 tonnes surplus. Global nickel mine production edged modestly lower in January on a month-on-month basis, but is up 5.6 per cent year-on-year. Global refined nickel was up 6.4 per cent year-on-year and posted the highest ever monthly output figure at 12,190 tonnes. Consumption Global nickel consumption, meanwhile, posted a strong 8.1 per cent year-on-year rise in January, which is the third highest consumption figure ever. While much of the strength is attributed to positive demand conditions, in the light of sustained rally in prices, it looks likely that nickel demand will suffer from substitution before too long, according to experts. In the short term, there may not be any easing in the supply situation. So, the market is only likely to ease should demand subside. Substitution is already taking place in certain stainless steel grades in China. If cash prices continue to be at $ 50,000/tonne, further substitution or reduced demand can be expected from the stainless steel sector. Interestingly, however, critically low nickel inventories suggest that price volatility will stay high with big price risk in either direction.
Re: [obrolan-bandar] Re: Biodiesel: Minim incentive realization, reduce investor interest
Kuncinya juga di harga minyak bumi. Selama harga minyak bumi hovering di sekitar $ 60 - 70 ada insentif dan tekanan psikologis utk mmbuat biodiesel dan alternatif enersi lain. Tapi kalau minyak bumi di $ 30 ~ 40an manusia mahluk pelupa.. lihat kejadian fenomena kategori mobil SUV ..getting bigger and not energy efficient at all.. Dari jagung sulit krn jagung memakan banyak sekali air sehingga dampak lingkungannnya besar sekali konon. Kmd persaingan dng manusia sebagai pemakan minyak kelapa sawit itu juga merupakan disinsentif utk biodiesel krn akibatnya spt disebutkan di artikel tsb. Selama harga minyak bumi dan minyak biodiesel berbanding terbalik dng advantage harga di minyak bumi, maka sulit industri biodiesel tumbuh dng kompetitif dan alami (tanpa insentif dll). My two liter of ... th
[obrolan-bandar] INCO lari udah ke 47600 (9:39)
*DJ BASE METALS: Nickel Hits New High;Caution Over Equities* Wednesday, March 14, 2007 5:54:10 PM http://www.osterdowjones.com/ DJ BASE METALS: Nickel Hits New High;Caution Over Equities By Lisa Yuriko Thomas Of DOW JONES NEWSWIRES LONDON (Dow Jones)--London Metal Exchange nickel jumped to a fresh record high Wednesday amid low supplies and generally positive sentiment across the base metals, but traders will continue to cast a wary eye on further developments with the equity markets, analysts said. Recent metals price weakness illustrates that despite firming fundamental indicators, the sector remains extremely vulnerable to deteriorating economic sentiment, Barclays Capital said in its daily note. Late Wednesday, U.S. stocks were sharply lower following falls in European and Asian equities. On Tuesday, the Dow Jones Industrial Average posted its second-biggest points drop in four years as problems with subprime lenders grew. Fund selling early Wednesday emerged following the sell-off in Asian equities but by midday had regained ground on trade support and short-covering, said traders. Three-month nickel pushed to a record high of $45,000 a metric ton before retreating to a PM kerb of $44,800/ton. Nickel benefited from the positive sentiment seen across the base metals complex Wednesday, an LME trader said earlier. And a drawdown in LME nickel stocks highlights an already tight supply situation, adding to price support, he added. LME nickel stocks fell 60 tons to 3,816 tons Wednesday. And with canceled warrants - or material accounted for and to be drawn down at a later date - at 36% of global LME nickel stocks, available inventories comprise less than one day's worth of nickel consumption. Meanwhile, three-month lead inched towards it's recent record high of $1,955/ton by pushing to a session high of $1,890/ton before retreating to a PM kerb of $1,870/ton. Ongoing supply concerns in Australia add to an already tight market. Lead shipments at the Magellan mine in western Australia have been suspended on concerns that about 4,000 birds in the region have died of lead poisoning, with an investigation expected to take weeks. The suspension also follows on from Xstrata PLC declaring force majeure on lead deliveries at its Northfleet refinery in the U.K. due to falling lead grades at the Mount Isa mine in Australia. At the same time, total LME lead stocks are down over 20% since the start of the year. In other metals, copper and aluminum traded modestly lower by late Wednesday. Copper has traded in a range between $6,120 and $6,330/ton for the past several sessions as concerns over global risk aversion caps gains from strong supply/demand fundamentals. Uncertainty is keeping some investors on the sidelines, London-based commodities analyst Michael Widmer of Calyon said. It's a tricky situation at the moment and I expect copper to remain rangebound unless there is a major breakout in the outside markets. LME copper stocks fell 1,975 tons to 197,750 tons Wednesday and are down 8% from a month ago. Prices in dollars/ton. 3 Months Metal Bid-AskChange from Tuesday PM kerb Copper 6220.0-6230.0Unch Lead1870.0-1880.0 Up 25 Zinc3210.0-3220.0 Dn 10 Aluminum2714.0-2715.0 Dn 23 Nickel 44800.0-44900.0 Up 1225 Tin13500.0-13525.0 Dn 50 Aluminum Alloy 2230.0-2240.0 Up 10 Aluminum Alloy 2110.0-2120.0 Dn5 (NASAAC) -By Lisa Yuriko Thomas, Dow Jones Newswires; +44 (0)20 7842 9410; [EMAIL PROTECTED] (END) Dow Jones Newswires 03-14-07 1354ET Copyright (c) 2007 Dow Jones Company, Inc. DJ info: 82050 N/DJCS,N/DJME,N/DJOS,N/OSCM,N/OSME,N/OSOV,N/OSTR,N/CMD,N/DJWI,N/FCTV,N/MET,N/MK FSN2050 CMOT COMMENTS METALS 2007-03-14 17:54:10 UTC
[obrolan-bandar] Re: [saham] HOTS di kuasai MAFIA
Laporkan saja ke yang berwajib kalau memang bener demikian, boss On 3/15/07, Jack Cowok [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kemacetan HOTS yang semakin sering terjadi, buka lagi secara Technical. Sudah ada unsur DILUAR itu yang berperan. Maka, bagi penyedia jasa HOTS, sebaiknya ini di hentikan. Karena suatu hari, anda bisa di TUNTUT.
Re: [obrolan-bandar] 10:35;29 HOTS macet LAGI ?
HOTS macet di Indonesia sih sbenarnya lumrah saja. Ingat juga infrastruktur pendukung utk e-commerce di negeri kita masih jauh dari memadai. Baik hardware mapun perangkat lunak pendukung spt kompetensi HR nya. Jadi kalau suka macet ya kaya metro mini lah.. udah ga mampu beli spareparts, ban di vulkanisir. Menurut saya harus mahfum. Dari sisi HOTS sendiri menjual jasa informasi disini susah, uang langganan maunya pemakai semurah mungkin, sementara utk mendukung info dng lancar harus punya jalan tol yg bandwidthnya ya muahhaalll dinegeri kita.. Berapa user HOTS yg pake mereka utk trading sahamnya? Soal teori konspirasi saya lbh suka kalau ada bukti jadi kita bisa minta otoritas utk bertindak. Contoh tadi ada 2 sekuritas ngeguyur INDF dng 2 lot berpuluh puluh kali.. fenomena spt itu dibiarkan saja? Sigh..
[obrolan-bandar] Nyusul INCO ~ Fwd: TINS ANTM
Everything possible.. at JSX as anywhere else. masih inget dikasih berkah cuan, beli di 19rb siangnya lepasin di 19900 rasanya blm lama tuh kejadian..tapi ya koq udah lama juga skrg udah 46rb tadi. Harga nikel masih nembus rekor baru kemarin di LME di US$ 43.950 / mt dan TINS ini hari di KL naik ke 13800.- [image: The image http://www.kltm.com.my/daily.gif; cannot be displayed, because it contains errors.]
[obrolan-bandar] Nickel last 5 years trend for a view
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Re: [obrolan-bandar] ML : INCO Buy with a price target of Rp54,860, which implies a 34% potential upside.
Thanks for sharing this pak.. On the way kayanya pak Giri udah sempat 46300 tadi.. Keputusan dividen final 2006 blm keluar? th On 3/9/07, Giri [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: __
[obrolan-bandar] Asia Eropa naik siang dan pagi ini
14:23 Siang ini ASIA ijo kecuali Jkt, Bombay, Seoul dan Taiwan.. ^AORD http://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=%5EAORDAll Ordinaries*5,810.20* 12:11AM ET[image: Up] *10.60* *(0.18%)*^SSEC http://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=%5ESSECShanghai Composite*2,941.30* 1:52AM ET[image: Up] *13.28* *(0.45%)*^HSIhttp://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=%5EHSIHang Seng*19,178.58* 1:22AM ET[image: Up] *3.41* *(0.02%)*^BSESNhttp://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=%5EBSESNBSE 30*12,926.88* 2:22AM ET[image: Down] *122.47* *(0.94%)*^JKSEhttp://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=%5EJKSEJakarta Composite*1,762.77* 2:22AM ET[image: Down] *8.79* *(0.50%)*^KLSEhttp://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=%5EKLSEKLSE Composite*1,191.35* 2:22AM ET[image: Up] *4.29* *(0.36%)*^N225http://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=%5EN225Nikkei 225*17,164.04* 2:00AM ET[image: Up] *73.73* *(0.43%)*^NZ50http://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=%5ENZ50NZSE 50*4,079.97* Mar 8[image: Up] *10.56* *(0.26%)*^STIhttp://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=%5ESTIStraits Times*3,140.97* 2:22AM ET[image: Up] *18.48* *(0.59%)*^KS11http://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=%5EKS11Seoul Composite*1,423.58* 1:02AM ET[image: Down] *0.31* *(0.02%)*^TWIIhttp://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=%5ETWIITaiwan Weighted*7,568.20* 12:46AM ET[image: Down] *5.67* *(0.07%)* London edan naik 1.16% dan Jerman naik 1.48%, CAC 1.27% ^ATX http://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=%5EATXATX*4,498.95* Mar 8[image: Up] * 130.90* *(3.00%)* ^BFX http://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=%5EBFXBEL-20*4,369.55* Mar 8[image: Up] *68.36* *(1.59%)* ^OMXC20C http://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=%5EOMXC20COMXC20C ^FCHI http://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=%5EFCHICAC 40*5,524.26* Mar 8[image: Up] *69.19* *(1.27%)* ^GDAXI http://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=%5EGDAXIDAX*6,713.23* Mar 8[image: Up] *95.48* *(1.44%)* ^AEX http://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=%5EAEXAEX General*489.03* Mar 8[image: Up] *7.13* *(1.48%)* ^OSEAX http://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=%5EOSEAXOSE All Share*506.53* 1:00AM ET *0.00* *(0.00%)* ^MIBTEL http://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=%5EMIBTELMIBTel*31,779.00* Mar 8[image: Up] *407.00* *(1.30%)* ^IXX http://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=%5EIXXISE National-100*93.81* Mar 8[image: Up] *0.55* *(0.59%)* ^SMSI http://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=%5ESMSIMadrid General*1,577.09* Mar 8[image: Up] *32.45* *(2.10%)* ^OMXSPI http://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=%5EOMXSPIStockholm General*387.28* Mar 8[image: Up] *7.30* *(1.92%)* ^SSMI http://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=%5ESSMISwiss Market*8,955.70* Mar 8[image: Up] *77.27* *(0.87%)* ^FTSE http://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=%5EFTSEFTSE 100*6,227.70* Mar 8[image: Up] *71.20* *(1.16%)*
Re: [obrolan-bandar] JANGAN PERCAYA ANALISA dari BROKER
Broker jalanin perintah kita kita pemilik saham (pemegang account).. dan biasanya di disclaimer mrk tulis ga pegang saham tsb. Spt kalo istilah asing beli.. saya pake ML, CLSA, DBS, Kim Eng apa saya jadi asing? Who is actually asing, bugil? Can you elaborate pak JC? On 3/9/07, Jack Cowok [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jangan percaya sama analisa yang dikeluarkan BROKER. Karena BROKER sudah beli dan ngumpulin duluan baru mengeluarkan ANALISA dengan target POSTIF. Kalau analisa harga turun, BROKER juga sudah jualan sebelum menerbitkan ANALISA.
[obrolan-bandar] Nickel new high
From London Metal Exchange: [image: http://www.basemetals.com/freecharts/freechart.aspx?id=aea0671a-72a8-4552-a9bf-4b122a770b9b] Dow Jones news wire:http://www.alaron.com/news.aspx?action=storycID=ALARONiFSNi=i4747775957165801536 By Lisa Yuriko Thomas DOW JONES NEWSWIRES LONDON (Dow Jones)--London Metal Exchange nickel surged to a fresh record high Wednesday alongside price rises across the entire complex, and traders expect market fundamentals to continue dictating price direction. Three-month nickel jumped to a fresh record high of $42,350 a metric ton due to short-covering and light speculative buying as stocks remain at critically low levels. The stock fall Wednesday morning by 162 tons to 3,648 tons, although a small drawdown, was the impetus for steady short-covering, said an LME trader. Add to that trade support at the lows and prices are at new highs, he added. Although nickel stocks have steadied in the last month, current levels are down by roughly one half from the start of 2007. With canceled warrants - or material accounted for and to be drawn down at a later date - at 37% of global LME inventories Wednesday, available nickel stocks comprise less than a day of global consumption. Base metals across the board jumped Wednesday in line with other financial markets. Spot gold pushed through the key psychological resistance of $650 a troy ounce Wednesday due to gains in crude oil prices and the weaker dollar against the euro. Moreover, the rebound in the base metals complex wasn't a surprise as the market tried to recover from its jitters after a recent sharp fall in equities, Michael Skinner of Standard Bank said. The downward pressure from outside markets has subsided and allowed fundamentals to reassert themselves, said the LME trader. U.S. stocks were largely flat Wednesday after European stock markets were modestly higher and the Nikkei fell overnight. Meanwhile, both copper and aluminum climbed on technical buying, said the trader. A push through copper's 10-day moving average of $6,090/ton triggered a wave of buying to push the metal above $6,100/ton, the trader said, adding that $6,200/ton could be hit in the coming few days. In other metals, tin extended its recent rise to trade above $13,700/ton as supply concerns continue and stocks fell 30 tons to 10,160 tons Wednesday. Overall LME inventories have fallen roughly 20% since the start of 2007. At the same time, Indonesian news reports Wednesday said the government will impose a quota on tin exports to help maintain a global market price for the metal above $12,000/ton. However, the report failed to provide further details on what the quota's volume might be or when it might be imposed. Last October, Indonesia, which supplies about one third of the world's tin, closed dozens of small-scale smelters that together produce about half the country's annual tin output on allegations they were purchasing tin ore illegally, damaging the environment and evading taxes. Prices in dollar a metric ton. 3 Months Metal Bid-AskChange from Tuesday PM kerb Copper 6140.0-6150.0 Up 165 Lead 1850.0-1855.0 Up 30 Zinc 3355.0-3360.0 Up 46 Aluminum 2729.0-2730.0 Up 35 Nickel 42000.0-42005.0Up 1600 Tin 13600.0-13605.0Up 325 Aluminum Alloy 2220.0-2230.0 Up 25 Aluminum Alloy 2160.0-2170.0 Up 10 (NASAAC) -By Lisa Yuriko Thomas, Dow Jones Newswires; +44 (0)20 7842 9410; [EMAIL PROTECTED] (END) Dow Jones Newswires 03-07-07 1247ET Copyright (c) 2007 Dow Jones Company, Inc. DJ info: 82050
Re: [obrolan-bandar] Harga TIN di LME menyentuh support?
Ini chart TA nya per tgl 6 Maret utk yg demen analisa teknikal utk timah dan nikel: Timah: [image: The image http://www.sucden.co.uk/public/reports/tin/charts/snd06-mar-07.gif; cannot be displayed, because it contains errors.] Nickel [image: The image http://www.sucden.co.uk/public/reports/nickel/charts/nid06-mar-07.gif; cannot be displayed, because it contains errors.]
[obrolan-bandar] NAIK: TIMAH KL - jadi 13400
[image: The image http://www.kltm.com.my/daily.gif; cannot be displayed, because it contains errors.] On 3/7/07, indosaham17 wrote: Timah naik 1.53% (13.300), dari chart naik di support.. jd masih kemungkinan naik lagi...; nikel naik 2.8% (40.400)... djia(dow jon).. naik 1.3% (157.18)...regional masyoritas plus... jadi kemungkinan IHSG saham2 terkait (TINS, ANTM, INCO) dll akan mengikuti... silahkan kalau mau ikut
[obrolan-bandar] Toronto: China's growth to fuel copper, nickel demand: Expert
http://www.thestar.com/default China's growth to fuel copper, nickel demand: Expert TheStar.com - Business - China's growth to fuel copper, nickel demand: Expert March 04, 2007 Canadian Press An urban construction boom in China over the next decade will fuel the global market for copper, an analyst told delegates at an international commodities convention on Sunday. Demand will explode as some of China's rural population shifts to the cities, Onnu Rutten of Scotia Capital in Toronto said at a market-outlook forum, the first major event kicking off a four-day commodities industry love-in hosted by the Prospectors and Developers Association of Canada. Rutten predicted demand for copper in China will increase from seven kilograms per urban resident to 12 kg over the next eight to 10 years, and said he's not concerned about China's economy slowing until 2015. That's a bold statement, Rutten acknowledged, given widespread fears among some investors about the 8.8 per cent drop in the Shanghai stock index last Tuesday, which had a global ripple effect on markets. China is at the point where Japan was in 1960, Rutten said, adding demand is also growing for copper in Brazil, Russia, and India. He said he doesn't see India as a big consumer of copper over the next decade since its growth is primarily in the service sector. China is also leading the world in its demand for nickel, said Santo Ranieri of Xstrata Nickel. China will be the main driver of nickel demand, Ranieri said, noting demand for stainless steel rises as countries become more prosperous. China is expected to remain heavily reliant on imports. The main problem will be trying to maintain supply to keep up with demand, and the industry has little wiggle room to increase output, Ranieri said. The market for commodities will remain robust, Ranieri concluded, noting pension funds and other major investors have also boosted demand in the sector, keeping prices generally healthy. Supply is also plaguing silver, said Jim Steel, a commodities analyst with HSBC Securities Inc. in New York, who said prices are at historic highs. It will take many, many years before the market can catch up with the rapacious demand we're seeing from the far east, Steel told a rapt crowd packed into a large theatre at the convention centre. It's safe to say industrial demand for silver is going to remain quite firm. . . . Even my . . .10-year-old is aware demand in China is going up, Steel said. Silver is also popular among older, sophisticated retail investors, Steel said, who are buying it to diversify their portfolios. These people are not going to be shaken out by a few dollars off (in price), he said. While prices in precious metals dropped in the 1990s during a period of globalization and the opening up of the former Soviet Union, the current tension in international politics will keep silver prices propped up, Steel said, noting silver has been outperforming gold. If investors choose to liquidate their precious metals, it would affect silver more than gold, Steel said. The 75th annual conference for the mining exploration and development industry, which continues through Wednesday, is expected to attract more than 15,000 industry players. Highlights include seminars, speakers, technical programs in geoscience and geochemistry, investor booths and an industry trade show. Another speaker was bullish about the yellow metal, predicting prices for gold will be more than US$700 an ounce by the end of 2007. We're not too perturbed about what happened to the gold market last week, Martin Murenbeeld, an analyst with the Dundee Group of Companies, said. Murenbeeld outlined a handful of reasons why demand for gold will stay strong, including the influence of the overvalued U.S dollar; high oil prices, which will encourage wealthy investors in the Middle East to buy gold; a drop in worldwide mining output, which should reduce supply; and increased consumer spending on gold as a way to diversify investment portfolios. TheStar.com Corrections http://www.thestar.com/opinion/corrections | Contact Webmaster http://www3.thestar.ca/cgi-bin/star_static.cgi?section=newspage=/Forms/webmaster/index.html | FAQ http://www.thestar.com/generic/article/109985 | RSS http://www.thestar.com/generic/article/111417 | Star P.M. http://www.thestar.com/starpm | Star P.M. Mobile http://starpm.thestar.com/ | Brand New Planet http://www.brandnewplanet.ca/ Toronto Star About Us http://www.thestar.com/aboutus | Subscribe http://www.thestar.com/static/article/174868 | Subscriber Self Services http://www.thestar.com/utilities/delivery | Contact Us http://www.thestar.com/generic/article/108483 | News Releases http://www.thestar.com/aboutus/news | Star Internships http://www.thestar.com/generic/article/124827 | Careers at the Star http://jobs.workopolis.com/jobshome/db/thestar.featured_joblist?pi_employer=18950 Advertise With Us Media Kit
[obrolan-bandar] Fwd: Siapa takut?
Date: Mar 5, 2007 1:26 PM Subject: Siapa takut? To: http://www.bloomberg.com/ Putnam, Citigroup, UBS Unshaken by Global Rout, Say Buy Stocks By Michael Tsang and Daniel Hauck March 5 (Bloomberg) -- The biggest money managers and strategists on Wall Street are standing their ground. They say the four-year bull market in U.S. stocks will persist even after the Standard Poor's 500 Index plunged the most since January 2003 last week on concern a slowing economy will hurt corporate profits. Putnam Investments, which oversees one of the best- performing U.S. equity funds, and BlackRock Inc., the second- largest publicly traded U.S. money manager, say stocks are cheap. Citigroup Inc. and UBS AG are telling investors to add to their U.S. holdings. All 15 strategists tracked by Bloomberg were sticking with their forecasts as of March 2. The SP 500 lost 1.1 percent that day, bringing its weekly decline to 4.4 percent. ``We're more favorably disposed to the U.S. market than we were at the end of last year,'' said Kevin Cronin, who oversees $192 billion as head of investments at Boston-based Putnam. The selloff has been a ``bit overblown.'' The strategists surveyed by Bloomberg predict, on average, a 12 percent increase for the SP 500 within a year. Following last week's decline, members in the index trade at an average 15 times forecast earnings, 45 percent less than the monthly average of 27.3times over the past 10 years. U.S. technology stocks, consumer-related companies and homebuilders have become ``more attractive,'' Cronin said, and he is looking to add to his firm's positions. The $4.11 billion Putnam Investors Fund has outperformed 92 percent of its rivals during the past five years, according to data from Bloomberg. Private Equity Private-equity investors, who have an estimated $1.6 trillion to spend this year, may also help stocks to rebound from losses, BlackRock's Robert Doll and David Bianco at UBS said. London-based Dresdner Kleinwort, the top-ranked global equity strategy team in Thomson Extel's surveys the past three years, doesn't share Wall Street's optimism. The investment- banking arm of Dresdner Bank AG said last week that investors should cut stock holdings and buy government bonds because the retreat is not over. The worldwide selloff has already wiped out more than $800 billion from the U.S. stock market since the rout started on Feb. 27. Figures last week showed U.S. new-home sales fell in January by the most in 13 years, while the economy expanded less than initially estimated in the fourth quarter of 2006. Mortgage defaults are climbing by the most since 2000. Analysts have cut first-quarter earnings projections by half since the start of 2007, according to data compiled by Bloomberg. More U.S. companies fell short of profit estimates last quarter than at any other time this decade. Greenspan's Recession Alan Greenspan, former chairman of the Federal Reserve, weighed in last week by saying profit margins at U.S. companies are peaking and the growth cycle is in a mature phase. He also said a recession in the U.S., while unlikely, is possible. Robert Doll, who manages $1.1 trillion as chief investment officer of global equities at BlackRock in New York, said he expects global economic growth to remain strong enough this year to support a 12 percent rally in the SP 500 to a record 1549. ``This isn't going to lead to a major bear market,'' said Doll. ``Out of this will come some better buying opportunities.'' Investors should shift out of riskier areas such as emerging markets and ``slowly add'' to holdings of the biggest energy and technology companies, he said. Doll cited Microsoft Corp., the world's largest software maker, International Business Machines Corp., the biggest computer-services company, and Cisco Systems Inc., the biggest maker of Internet routing gear. The $3.81 billion BlackRock Large Cap Core Fund has outperformed 95 percent of its peers during the past five years. Global Stampede The past week's rout started in China. Mainland stocks, which have more than doubled in the past 12 months, swooned after the government set up a task force to clamp down on illegal share offerings and investments with borrowed money. Sparked by a 9.2 percent plunge in the Shanghai and Shenzhen 300 Index on Feb. 27, the selloff rippled through Asia and Europe and pushed down the Dow Jones Industrial Average as much as 546.20 points. ``The idea of separating the rest of the world from the U.S., as might have been the case once upon a time, will be increasingly rare,'' said Michael Steinhardt, whose hedge funds posted annual returns of more than 20 percent for almost three decades. ``We've seen the bulk of the rise, and the bulk of the bull market,'' according to the former managing partner of New York-based Steinhardt Management Co. One-Day Slump The Dow's drop was the steepest since the first trading day after the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks. The 30-stock average
Re: [obrolan-bandar] BANK INDONESIA CUTS INTEREST RATE TO 9% FROM 9.25%
As anticipated by the market. So good news for banking financing, property, automotive, motorbike industries? Let see part 2 today.
Re: [obrolan-bandar] Warning buat besok... Re: IS IT TRUE?
Diarhoea... MAJOR WORLD INDICES SymbolNameLast TradeChange^AORD http://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=%5EAORDAll Ordinaries5,653.20 11:51PM ET[image: Down] 122.00 (2.11%)^SSEChttp://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=%5ESSECShanghai Composite2,794.37 10:30PM ET[image: Down] 37.15 (1.31%)^HSIhttp://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=%5EHSIHang Seng18,943.58 10:51PM ET[image: Down] 498.43 (2.56%)^BSESNhttp://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=%5EBSESNBSE 3012,387.77 11:51PM ET[image: Down] 498.36 (3.87%)^JKSEhttp://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=%5EJKSEJakarta Composite1,716.78 11:51PM ET[image: Down] 43.24 (2.46%)^KLSEhttp://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=%5EKLSEKLSE Composite1,110.77 11:32PM ET[image: Down] 53.91 (4.63%)^N225http://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=%5EN225Nikkei 22516,748.99 11:31PM ET[image: Down] 468.94 (2.72%)^NZ50http://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=%5ENZ50NZSE 504,035.33 11:36PM ET[image: Down] 63.36 (1.55%)^STIhttp://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=%5ESTIStraits Times2,954.46 11:29PM ET[image: Down] 124.28 (4.04%)^KS11http://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=%5EKS11Seoul Composite1,385.67 11:51PM ET[image: Down] 28.80 (2.04%)^TWIIhttp://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=%5ETWIITaiwan Weighted7,372.02 11:51PM ET[image: Down] 258.13 (3.38%) On 3/5/07, jsx_consultant [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 10:53 IHSG -36 yang OPTIMIS lagi SAKIT PERUT
[obrolan-bandar] Re: [saham] PGAS jadi Mercedez Benz - Siap2
Kabar bagus pak JC? Buat yg nyangkut di 12.000an kaya saya. Dalam berapa lama bisa 13 rb pak JC waktu dekat ini? Dan apa reasoningnya? Mohon pencerahan ya pak JC. th On 3/3/07, Jack Cowok [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Saham ini dalam beberapa hari ini sengaja ditekan oleh kawanan Gajah-Gajah. Cuma sayang tekannya setengah setengah. Maklum ragu-ragu kalau ada yg nekat tubruk ke atas. Biasa, kalau gajah mau cari area baru, nakut nakuti musuh terlebih dahulu. Setelah musuh lari semua, baru mereka berpesta pora. Bagi yg punya amunisi, tembak saja. Dalam waktu dekat akan back to the future. Rp.13.000,-
