Re: [ob] WEB-BASED trading
Pak, www.poems.co.id Itu sala satu yg bagus. Sent from my BlackBerry® powered by Sinyal Kuat INDOSAT -Original Message- From: Rony dr.transl...@gmail.com Date: Sat, 27 Feb 2010 15:27:46 To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: [ob] WEB-BASED trading OB-ers, saya mau tanya nih. trading online yg pakai web-based itu apa aja ya? Setau saya etrading. Tapi, bisa ga e-trading web-based nya diakses via windows mobile? Thx infonya :) --
Re: [ob] WEB-BASED trading
*bukan orang philips juga loh .. Sent from my BlackBerry® powered by Sinyal Kuat INDOSAT -Original Message- From: richard...@gmail.com Date: Sat, 27 Feb 2010 08:36:48 To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [ob] WEB-BASED trading Pak, www.poems.co.id Itu sala satu yg bagus. Sent from my BlackBerry® powered by Sinyal Kuat INDOSAT -Original Message- From: Rony dr.transl...@gmail.com Date: Sat, 27 Feb 2010 15:27:46 To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: [ob] WEB-BASED trading OB-ers, saya mau tanya nih. trading online yg pakai web-based itu apa aja ya? Setau saya etrading. Tapi, bisa ga e-trading web-based nya diakses via windows mobile? Thx infonya :) --
Re: [ob] Buy AUTO...
Any particular reason bro? Thanks :) Sent from my BlackBerry® powered by Sinyal Kuat INDOSAT -Original Message- From: Tom DS tom.ds.st...@gmail.com Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2010 08:20:31 To: obrolan-bandar yahoogroupsobrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: [ob] Buy AUTO... *Buy AUTO... T.o.m*
Re: [ob] Buy AUTO...
Great. Thanks.. Sent from my BlackBerry® powered by Sinyal Kuat INDOSAT -Original Message- From: Tom DS tom.ds.st...@gmail.com Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2010 09:03:24 To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [ob] Buy AUTO... *Better than expected financial performance submitted yesterday. Especially on higher other income from jointly controlled entities eventhough its operating profit decreased a bit. T.o.m* On Thu, Feb 25, 2010 at 8:56 AM, richard...@gmail.com wrote: Any particular reason bro? Thanks :) Sent from my BlackBerry® powered by Sinyal Kuat INDOSAT -- *From: * Tom DS tom.ds.st...@gmail.com *Date: *Thu, 25 Feb 2010 08:20:31 +0700 *To: *obrolan-bandar yahoogroupsobrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com *Subject: *[ob] Buy AUTO... *Buy AUTO... T.o.m*
Re: [ob] OOT:Re: Bbcontroller
Thanks.. Good one :) Sent from my BlackBerry® powered by Sinyal Kuat INDOSAT -Original Message- From: JL jeffry_lesm...@yahoo.com Date: Sun, 21 Feb 2010 06:17:15 To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [ob] OOT:Re: Bbcontroller Drpd pusing2 ini saya kasih link OTA nya : http://juarsa.com/bb/control/ControlBBanel.jad Silahkan download. Envoyé avec BlackBerry® d'INDOSAT --- -Original Message- From: oxxain...@yahoo.co.id Date: Sun, 21 Feb 2010 04:38:19 To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [ob] OOT:Re: Bbcontroller Maaf Bli iNdRa, kalo hasil ekstraknya hanya ada file alx dan cod, yg mana yg dibuka ya ? Salam, Newbie Powered by Telkomsel BlackBerry® -Original Message- From: **bLi iNdRa** bli_in...@yahoo.com Date: Sun, 21 Feb 2010 01:41:39 To: Obrolan Bandarobrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: [ob] OOT:Re: Bbcontroller Donlot file zip nya ke blackberry. Dah selesai donlot, buka filescout, cari file zip yg tadi, open, extract. Nanti di folder yg sama bakal ada folder baru yg sudah diextract dg nama sama. Open itu, klik di file yg formatnya .jad. Open itu, mulai deh proses donlot seperti biasanya... --Original Message-- From: Maximilian Kurniawan To: bli_in...@yahoo.com ReplyTo: maximilian_fe...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: Bbcontroller Sent: Feb 21, 2010 09:36 Udah bro,ada diinstall. Trus darisitu diapain? --Original Message-- From: **bLi iNdRa** To: maximilian_fe...@yahoo.com ReplyTo: bli_in...@yahoo.com Subject: Bbcontroller Sent: Feb 21, 2010 08:33 Bisa pakai bbfilescout aja utk installnya bro... Donlot filescout dr: http://www.emacberry.com/_data/bbfs002/FileScout.jad Best Regards **bLi iNdRa** ==cuan ga cuan yg penting happy== powered by obrolan-ban...@yahoogroups.com® Sent from FelixBerry® Mobile Device Best Regards **bLi iNdRa** ==cuan ga cuan yg penting happy== powered by obrolan-ban...@yahoogroups.com® + + + + + + + Mohon saat meREPLY posting, text dari posting lama dihapus kecuali diperlukan agar CONTEXTnya jelas. + + + + + + +Yahoo! Groups Links + + + + + + + Mohon saat meREPLY posting, text dari posting lama dihapus kecuali diperlukan agar CONTEXTnya jelas. + + + + + + +Yahoo! Groups Links + + + + + + + Mohon saat meREPLY posting, text dari posting lama dihapus kecuali diperlukan agar CONTEXTnya jelas. + + + + + + +Yahoo! Groups Links + + + + + + + Mohon saat meREPLY posting, text dari posting lama dihapus kecuali diperlukan agar CONTEXTnya jelas. + + + + + + +Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/obrolan-bandar/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/obrolan-bandar/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: obrolan-bandar-dig...@yahoogroups.com obrolan-bandar-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: obrolan-bandar-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [ob] Fw: ADRO - The Rise of Envirocoal
Malam ditengah seruhnya BUMI, PTBA dan ADRO... ASIA gimana ya? Thanks.. Salam newbi :) Rgds, Richard -Original Message- From: t_bumi t_b...@yahoo.co.id Date: Fri, 08 Jan 2010 14:59:26 To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [ob] Fw: ADRO - The Rise of Envirocoal --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, B_ND nyaham.d...@... wrote: Bisa jadi PTBA ke-2 nya pak Rei nih!! Salam, Sip : tbumi Setuju. ADRO adalah emiten yg bisa tembus di harga tertinggi selama ekonomi resesi global dan tak pelit lagi membagi deviden ke investor. ADRO is the next PTBA
[ob] TRAM
Hi .. Ada apa dengan tram ya? Rgds, Richard -Original Message- From: Petra Immanuel petra.imman...@gmail.com Date: Mon, 28 Dec 2009 16:33:31 To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [ob] Jawaban QUIZ BUMI - I TOT U Lah bukannya Pak Halim bandarnya BUMI ? 2009/12/28 JT jsxtra...@yahoo.com Eh iye.., Hmim juga…, ya Hamim pan emang Cs-nya Mbah…. Kompak tuh bedua….., hahaha….. *From:* obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com [mailto: obrolan-ban...@yahoogroups.com] *On Behalf Of *boyz® *Sent:* 28 Desember 2009 15:37 *To:* obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com *Subject:* Re: [ob] Jawaban QUIZ BUMI - I TOT U bukannya pak Hmin? mental pas di *smart speculative way*-nya pak Hmin. Salam, 2009/12/28 JT jsxtra...@yahoo.com Yg berhak I Told You di BUMI Cuma Mbah..., hehe..., monggo Mbah... (yg tempo hari ngeroyok Mbah rame-rame pade kemana nih??, hahaha) JT -Original Message- From: obrolan-ban...@yahoogroups..com obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com[mailto: obrolan-ban...@yahoogroups..com obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of jsx_consultant Sent: 21 Desember 2009 13:22 To: obrolan-ban...@yahoogroups..com obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: [ob] Jawaban QUIZ BUMI Ini jawaban embah, dan jawaban ini TIDAK berarti jawaban embah pasti benar, tapi jawaban ini embah buat dengan menggunakan prinsip2 Elliot wave, Alligator dan indicator Momentum tanpa ada unsur KEPENTINGAN PRIBADI, murni berdasarkan ilmu yg embah kuasai yg jauh dari sempurna. http://www.obrolanbandar.com/piwbumiquiz.png - Wave A?-B? hitam adalah IMPULSE wave dan bukan CORRECTION wave dengan alasan sbb: 1. Bentuk subwavenya adalah diagonal 12345 dengan Consecutive HIGHER HIGH dan HIGHER LOW jadi ini jelas adalah TRENDING wave. 2. Grafik BUMI pada periode WAVE A?-B? berada jelas diatas ALLIGATOR, ini berarti WAVE A?-B? adalah IMPULSE WAVE 3. Indicator AO berada diatas nol dan bentuknya mendukung adanya 3 impulse wave 1, wave 3 dan wave 5 biru. 4. Bentuk diagonal wave meskipun bukan impulse wave 12345 biasa termasuk Motive Wave yg bergerak searah dengan Bigger wave dari BUMI. Jadi dapat diambil KESIMPULAN bahwa Wave A?-B? adalah NEW IMPULSE WAVE 1 (warna biru telor bebek) (lihat gambar) Wave 1 adalah IMPULSE MOTIVE WAVE, impulse wave mempunyai characteristic: Investor mulai MASUK meskipun sebagian masih ragu, karena ini adalah awal dari rebound. Pada wave 1 ini, Investor masuk ke BUMI pada level 2100 dan puncaknya di 2875 dan mulailah koreksi wave 2. Koreksi Wave 2 diperberat dengan kasus Dubai dan berita negatif sekitar group B7, sehingga investor disini terpukul. Wave 2 mempunyai sarat tidak boleh jatuh dibawah Wave 1, jadi BUMI tidak boleh jatuh dibawah 2100 Kalo BUMI jatuh dibawah 2100 maka NEW IMPULSE WAVE BATAL dengan sendirinya + + + + + + + Mohon saat meREPLY posting, text dari posting lama dihapus kecuali diperlukan agar CONTEXTnya jelas. + + + + + + +Yahoo! Groups Links Tidak ada virus ditemukan dalam pesan masuk. Diperiksa oleh AVG - www.avg.com Versi: 9.0.722 / Basis Data Virus: 270.14.121/2589 - Tanggal Rilis: 12/27/09 16:18:00 -- Rgds, Petra Immanuel
[ob] FREN
Mbah mohon bimbingannya mengenai FREN, tambah murah apakah tamba bagus ato tanda2x ke bangkrutan? Thanks. Rgds, Richard
Re: [ob] Ada gempa di jakarta ?
Info : Rgds, Richard -Original Message- From: billy_budiman92 billybudima...@yahoo.com Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 10:10:52 To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [ob] Ada gempa di jakarta ? ye, di Sudirman juga neh, lari2an di kantor untuk kedua kalinya, dan kalau soal lari2an selalu kalah ama bule, wakakkakaaa --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Bozz Traders powerman.tra...@... wrote: Benar ada gempa di Jkt baru denger dari Metro TV, pusat gempa di Banten 6.4 SR. _ From: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com [mailto:obrolan-ban...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of gasarmy...@... Sent: Friday, October 16, 2009 4:02 PM To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [ob] Ada gempa di jakarta ? Di gajah mada-harmony juga terasa pak.. Sent from my BlackBerryR wireless device from XL GPRS/EDGE/3G network _ From: ruzli...@... Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 09:58:33 + To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [ob] Ada gempa di jakarta ? Ya. Kerasa di sekitar Monas _ From: lkm jkt lkm...@... Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 16:56:30 +0700 To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: [ob] Ada gempa di jakarta ? barusan ada gempa di jakarta ! Lukman
Re: [ob] Ada gempa di jakarta ?
Guys Info Gempa Mag:6.4 SR, 16-Oct-09 16:52:50 WIB, Lok:6.79 LS-105.11 BT (42 km BaratLaut UJUNGKULON-JABAR), Kedlmn:10 Km :::BMKG Rgds, Richard -Original Message- From: billy_budiman92 billybudima...@yahoo.com Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 10:10:52 To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [ob] Ada gempa di jakarta ? ye, di Sudirman juga neh, lari2an di kantor untuk kedua kalinya, dan kalau soal lari2an selalu kalah ama bule, wakakkakaaa --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Bozz Traders powerman.tra...@... wrote: Benar ada gempa di Jkt baru denger dari Metro TV, pusat gempa di Banten 6.4 SR. _ From: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com [mailto:obrolan-ban...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of gasarmy...@... Sent: Friday, October 16, 2009 4:02 PM To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [ob] Ada gempa di jakarta ? Di gajah mada-harmony juga terasa pak.. Sent from my BlackBerryR wireless device from XL GPRS/EDGE/3G network _ From: ruzli...@... Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 09:58:33 + To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [ob] Ada gempa di jakarta ? Ya. Kerasa di sekitar Monas _ From: lkm jkt lkm...@... Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 16:56:30 +0700 To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: [ob] Ada gempa di jakarta ? barusan ada gempa di jakarta ! Lukman
Re: [ob] Re: nanya ASIA (asia natural resources)
Thanks pak.. Saya coba cari yg ada HOTS. Rgds, Richard -Original Message- From: NeeTha Yu neeth...@yahoo.com Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 08:16:51 To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [ob] Re: nanya ASIA (asia natural resources) Lap keuangan sd 30 Juni 2009 uda jauh2 hr masuk ke HOTS eTrading pd tgl 10 Juli 2009. News n realisasi proyek jg ada di HOTS. Rencananya akan ada news ngenai akuisisi 3 lahan tambang, tp ga keburu keluar... terpaksa nunggu abis lebaran... From: richard...@gmail.com richard...@gmail.com To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2009 8:31:50 AM Subject: Re: [ob] Re: nanya ASIA (asia natural resources) Hii teman2x ada yg punya laporan keuangan ASIA?di web idx gak ada loh.. Thanks Rgds, Richard From: frombuitenzorg frombuitenzorg@ yahoo.com Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 01:29:19 - To: obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. com Subject: [ob] Re: nanya ASIA (asia natural resources) Duh duh kalo hari ini ane jadi penumpang bisa dapet hadiah lebaran nggak ya :) Rgrds NeeTha Yu neeth...@.. . wrote: Nunggu2an? Hehehe, bandarnya baik kali? Teman2 penumpang dipersilakan naek dulu (soalnya ngantri kiri pasti dapat), kereta akan berangkat segera, Anda jangan sampai ketinggalan kereta! Sy hr ini seperti gosokan bolak-balik belasan kali, walau 1 point, lumayan, 6 digit juga untungnya.Ada komentar ASIA sedang bagi2 sembako lebaran, hahaha... ASIA (Aku Siap Injak Atas = I am ready to step up) From: vaulst...@. .. vaulst...@. .. To: obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. com Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 9:48:04 PM Subject: Re: [ob] Re: nanya ASIA (asia natural resources) Kalau bagus uda naik donk Mana ada nunggu2an dulu... Uda tau bagus uda dibeli ama yg punya dan temen2 nya.. Sent from my BlackBerry® powered by Sinyal Kuat INDOSAT From: NeeTha Yu neeth...@yahoo. com Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2009 06:01:13 -0700 (PDT) To: obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. com Subject: Re: [ob] Re: nanya ASIA (asia natural resources) Sepertinya tinggal nunggu timingnya terbang. Lap q3 nya bagus! Bandar lg koleksi barang, jangan sampai hilang barang... From: socool...@yahoo. com socool...@yahoo. com To: obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. com Sent: Sunday, September 13, 2009 3:55:23 PM Subject: Re: [ob] Re: nanya ASIA (asia natural resources) Maap pak tp sepertinya itu yg saya ragukan. Tp semoga kalau memang mau joged2 kawan2 OB bisa dapet berkah jg. Happy Sunday DW Sent from my BlackBerry® powered by Sinyal Kuat INDOSAT -Original Message- From: frombuitenzorg frombuitenzorg@ yahoo.com Date: Sun, 13 Sep 2009 07:54:48 To: obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. com Subject: [ob] Re: nanya ASIA (asia natural resources) Bukannya ASIA selama bln September hari Jum at kemaren volue makin tinggi,dan sementara ini volumenya paling tinggi di bulan ini ? Walau cuma puluhan juta aja... tetapi sebenarnya bisa berubah jadi ratusan juta kalo BDnya bisa membuat menarik ?? Rgrds socoolcoy@ . wrote: Sepertinya saya krg setuju, BD MIRA dulu kalo maen pake volume gede2, ini ASIA makin hari vol makin tipis, harga makin nyungsep, rasanya kalo emang BD lg koleksi, saya gantung barang modal bawah diharga beda 2 perak dr harga penutupan kemaren masa ga berani. Happy sunday DW Sent from my BlackBerry® powered by Sinyal Kuat INDOSAT -Original Message- From: h_indras68@ .. Date: Sun, 13 Sep 2009 02:39:19 To: obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. com Subject: Re: [ob] nanya ASIA (asia natural resources) BD asia sama dgn BD mira, tau kan cara mainnya.. Untuk SDRA bisa baca artikel di vierjamal.blogspot. com. Regard Sent from my BlackBerry® smartphone from Sinyal Bagus XL, Nyambung Teruuusss... ! - - -- + + + + + + + Mohon saat meREPLY posting, text dari posting lama dihapus kecuali diperlukan agar CONTEXTnya jelas. + + + + + + +Yahoo! Groups Links - - -- + + + + + + + Mohon saat meREPLY posting, text dari posting lama dihapus kecuali diperlukan agar CONTEXTnya jelas. + + + + + + +Yahoo! Groups Links - - -- + + + + + + + Mohon saat meREPLY posting, text dari posting lama dihapus kecuali diperlukan agar CONTEXTnya jelas. + + + + + + +Yahoo! Groups Links
Re: [ob] Re: nanya ASIA (asia natural resources)
Hii teman2x ada yg punya laporan keuangan ASIA?di web idx gak ada loh.. Thanks Rgds, Richard -Original Message- From: frombuitenzorg frombuitenz...@yahoo.com Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 01:29:19 To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: [ob] Re: nanya ASIA (asia natural resources) Duh duh kalo hari ini ane jadi penumpang bisa dapet hadiah lebaran nggak ya :) Rgrds NeeTha Yu neeth...@... wrote: Nunggu2an? Hehehe, bandarnya baik kali? Teman2 penumpang dipersilakan naek dulu (soalnya ngantri kiri pasti dapat), kereta akan berangkat segera, Anda jangan sampai ketinggalan kereta! Sy hr ini seperti gosokan bolak-balik belasan kali, walau 1 point, lumayan, 6 digit juga untungnya.Ada komentar ASIA sedang bagi2 sembako lebaran, hahaha... ASIA (Aku Siap Injak Atas = I am ready to step up) From: vaulst...@... vaulst...@... To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 9:48:04 PM Subject: Re: [ob] Re: nanya ASIA (asia natural resources) Kalau bagus uda naik donk Mana ada nunggu2an dulu... Uda tau bagus uda dibeli ama yg punya dan temen2 nya.. Sent from my BlackBerry® powered by Sinyal Kuat INDOSAT From: NeeTha Yu neeth...@yahoo. com Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2009 06:01:13 -0700 (PDT) To: obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. com Subject: Re: [ob] Re: nanya ASIA (asia natural resources) Sepertinya tinggal nunggu timingnya terbang. Lap q3 nya bagus! Bandar lg koleksi barang, jangan sampai hilang barang... From: socool...@yahoo. com socool...@yahoo. com To: obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. com Sent: Sunday, September 13, 2009 3:55:23 PM Subject: Re: [ob] Re: nanya ASIA (asia natural resources) Maap pak tp sepertinya itu yg saya ragukan. Tp semoga kalau memang mau joged2 kawan2 OB bisa dapet berkah jg. Happy Sunday DW Sent from my BlackBerry® powered by Sinyal Kuat INDOSAT -Original Message- From: frombuitenzorg frombuitenzorg@ yahoo.com Date: Sun, 13 Sep 2009 07:54:48 To: obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. com Subject: [ob] Re: nanya ASIA (asia natural resources) Bukannya ASIA selama bln September hari Jum at kemaren volue makin tinggi,dan sementara ini volumenya paling tinggi di bulan ini ? Walau cuma puluhan juta aja... tetapi sebenarnya bisa berubah jadi ratusan juta kalo BDnya bisa membuat menarik ?? Rgrds socoolcoy@ . wrote: Sepertinya saya krg setuju, BD MIRA dulu kalo maen pake volume gede2, ini ASIA makin hari vol makin tipis, harga makin nyungsep, rasanya kalo emang BD lg koleksi, saya gantung barang modal bawah diharga beda 2 perak dr harga penutupan kemaren masa ga berani. Happy sunday DW Sent from my BlackBerry® powered by Sinyal Kuat INDOSAT -Original Message- From: h_indras68@ .. Date: Sun, 13 Sep 2009 02:39:19 To: obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. com Subject: Re: [ob] nanya ASIA (asia natural resources) BD asia sama dgn BD mira, tau kan cara mainnya.. Untuk SDRA bisa baca artikel di vierjamal.blogspot. com. Regard Sent from my BlackBerry® smartphone from Sinyal Bagus XL, Nyambung Teruuusss... ! - - -- + + + + + + + Mohon saat meREPLY posting, text dari posting lama dihapus kecuali diperlukan agar CONTEXTnya jelas. + + + + + + +Yahoo! Groups Links - - -- + + + + + + + Mohon saat meREPLY posting, text dari posting lama dihapus kecuali diperlukan agar CONTEXTnya jelas. + + + + + + +Yahoo! Groups Links - - -- + + + + + + + Mohon saat meREPLY posting, text dari posting lama dihapus kecuali diperlukan agar CONTEXTnya jelas. + + + + + + +Yahoo! Groups Links
Re: [ob] BUMI EPS $ 5.97
Pak sorry untuk mengajukan pertanyaan junior (karena masi junior.. Hehe) dengan data tersebut boleh minta saran, Bumi layaknya di koleksi di harga berapa dan real valuenya berapa? Saham keluarga B memikli real value(nilai aslinya) ± political value. Nah kalau di lepas political valuenya, real valunya saat ini berapa ya? Boleh minta saran.. Terima kasih. Richard Sent from my BlackBerry® powered by Sinyal Kuat INDOSAT -Original Message- From: Bagus Putra Perdana disclosure@gmail.com Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2009 08:40:41 To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Cc: Nicholas Alvinsa...@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [ob] BUMI EPS $ 5.97 BUMI Bisa Extract 1,2 MILYAR TON sebelum PKP2B kadaluarsa aja udah keren.. (kalo bisa).. gak semua Cadangan apalagi Sumber Daya itu Economically Viable, Jangankan Sumber Daya (Resources), 2 P (Proven Probable) Reserves aja belum tentu semuanya bisa masuk POD (Plan Of Development) tanpa merubah struktur marjin operasi saat-ini. Keputusan Masuk Ke Tunjaman yang lebih bawah, ke tingkat kalori yang lebih rendah, atau ke pit baru yg lokasinya relatif remote bisa merubah struktur marjin karena butuh investasi yang nilainya amat signifikan, bahkan jika uang untuk investasi cukup pun gak serta merta bisa ujug-ujug extrasi batu bara seenak2nya. land clearing dan perencanaan tambang kan harus pake izin sana-sini selain ada kajian internalnya juga. trus pesen alat berat en kontraktor pengerjaan juga gak bisa sim-salabim alakadabra hari ini pengen nambah extract bisa bulan depan efektif direalisasi. lagian andai produksi meningkat, manajemen juga harus memperkirakan tim marketingnya bisa gak masarin tu kelebihan batubara di harga yang bagus. kalo harga lagi gak bagus, buyer lagi nawar rendah-rendah ya jangankan lebarin margin buat nutup biaya Capex aja bisa gak viable. iyah bener potensi ke ningkatin Extraksi batu bara itu ada banget, makanya yg kita semua concern dan pertanyakan tentu kenapa BUMI gak invest en tunjukkin mereka memang menggenjot produksi dan ekstraksi cadangan dan sumber daya melimpahnya. It isnt that easy to increase and folding production when u were at the production level of above 50 Mt P/A. Infrastructure and hence capital investment is needed aswell as competency and capabilities of available contractors. to implied all of their resources could be monetized and then present valuing it is utterly ridiculous. 60 Mt to 80 Mt Production is presummably Priced-In by Investor at current BUMI Price. big problem will aroused if they cant deliver those level of production by the time they promised it. or they do increase production but at a rather slow pace I.e 2009 55 Mt 2010 65 Mt 2011 80 Mt 2012 95 Mt? do u know how much changes 5 Mt P/A misses would implied on the terminal - or even life of mine valuation of BUMI?. It is very Important, this management seriousness level of increase production and sales. we were all buying the future distant assumptions here today with them. good thing is that regardless of the production volume, Coal Price Level of 2012 onward would certainly be above $ 100. that is an almost certain thing. bad thing is that its fairly well known that the reputation of BUMI management in terms of using shareholder money into the right and productive segment of their business is not the best in the sector (who knows, they might even use 2009 FCF to buy another acquisition target instead of install new port or production fascilities) if u were an investor. dont discount a too distant future and promises of management to today prices unless they really shows that it is highly visible. its really dangerous i tell u. 2009/9/11 nicholas alvin nicholas_al...@yahoo.com BUMI memiliki kandungan batubara sebanyak lebih dari 10 milyar MT. Berandai andai: kalau harga jual $ 70/ mt, dijual semuanya, pendapatannya $ 700 milyar Dengan OPM 37.63 % maka operating profitnya $ 263.41 milyar. Atau laba operasi persahamnya $ 13.57 atau Rp 135.700,- Dengan NPM 16.54 %, makan net profitnya $ 115.78 milyar Laba bersih persaham = $ 5.97 atau Rp 59.700,- Kalau saja BG punya 60 % saham BUMI maka kekayaan BG = $ 69 milyar lebih kaya dari Warren Buffett atau Bill Gates. Apalagi kalau harga batubara naik ke $ 200/Mt, kita2 juga pada kecipratan rejeki. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -- Each piece, or part, of the whole nature is always an approximation to the complete truth, or the complete truth so far as we know it. In fact, everything we know is only some kind of approximation, because we know that we do not know all the laws as yet. Therefore, things must be learned only to be unlearned again or, more likely, to be corrected...The test of all knowledge is experiment. Experiment is the sole judge of scientific “truth”. - Richard Feynman
RE: [ob] Investor Area
Terima kasih atas penjelasannya pak.. Rgds, Richard From: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com [mailto:obrolan-ban...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of b3tonsportz Sent: Monday, June 29, 2009 11:07 AM To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [ob] Investor Area Penting nya ya dengan mendaftar kita bisa cek sendiri saham hasil pembelian kita setelah T+3 apa di catatkan broker kita ke ksei, hanya saham yang tercatat di ksei yang di jamin ksei, meskipun di Account statement, portofolio, dll ada tapi apabila tidak tercatat di ksei maka saham tersebut blom menjadi milik kita. Dulu sewaktu kasus SP terjadi, nasabah perlu waktu berbulan bulan sebelum akhir nya mendapatkan dokumen c-best print out ksei, karena nasabah tidak punya akses ke ksei sendiri, jd terpaksa harus nunggu sampai mendapat cbest tersebut baru bisa mengajukan klaim kepemilikan saham dan proses pindah saham. Dengan akses langsung ke ksei, tentu nya kita bisa mengecek apakah saham yang kita beli di catatkan ke ksei atau tidak. --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com mailto:obrolan-bandar%40yahoogroups.com , gnwn.wbsn gnwn.w...@... wrote: Saya juga pernah posting pertanyaan serupa pak Richard. belum ada yg tahu/mau jawab. Pentingnya apa ngedaftar (ngisi form Investor Area) dan kalau tidak ngedaftar konsekwensinya apa.
RE: [ob] Investor Area
Terima kasih atas penjelasannya pak.. Rgds, Richard From: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com [mailto:obrolan-ban...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of aritech97 Sent: Monday, June 29, 2009 10:55 AM To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [ob] Investor Area Manfaatnya bapak bisa setiap saat melakukan pengecekan status saham / portofolio Bapak, masih utuh atau tidak... Jangan sampai disalahgunakan oleh pihak sekuritas..(misal digunakan untuk short selling atau dijual tanpa instruksi Bapak) Ingat, produk sekuritas termasuk saham Bapak tidak termasuk kedalam skema penjaminan pemerintah, (beda dengan duit bapak yang bapak taruh di bank) sehingga kalau ada penyalahgunaan oleh pihak sekuritas terkait dengan saham bapak maka menjadi resiko Bapak. Maksimal yang Bapak bisa lakukan adalah menuntut pihak sekuritas , kalau pengelola sekuritas nya kabur gmana ? Belum lagi penyelesaian secara legal biasanya butuh waktu yang lama dan hasilnya belum tentu berpihak kepada customer. Apakah dengan adanya investor area saham bapak udah pasti aman ?? jawabannya : BELUM TENTU. Akan tetapi, diharapkan dengan bapak terdaftar di investor area secara psikologis pihak sekuritas tidak akan macam2 terhdapap saham Bapak karena Bapak bisa memonitornya setiap saat. Salam --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com mailto:obrolan-bandar%40yahoogroups.com , gnwn.wbsn gnwn.w...@... wrote: Saya juga pernah posting pertanyaan serupa pak Richard. belum ada yg tahu/mau jawab. Pentingnya apa ngedaftar (ngisi form Investor Area) dan kalau tidak ngedaftar konsekwensinya apa. On 6/29/09, Richard S richard...@... wrote: Hi Guys, boleh tau apa keuntungan dari mendaftar di https://investor.ksei.co.id? Saya hanya berdikir bahwa mendaftar akan membuat hidup lebih ribet jika suatu hari account kita di review. cheers, Richard. 2009/6/29 Edwin Lukman edwin.lukman...@... Gampang kok tanya aja ke Customer Service IPOT berapa no. account id biasanya ada di statement yang dikirim dari broker yang bersangkutan. Habis itu keluar investor area form yang harus kita print terus kirim ke broker kemudian tunggu sekitar 2 - 3 minggu nanti dikirim kartu investor area ke kita. Regards, Edwin 2009/6/29 Rudi Susanto rudi.susa...@... Ada yang sudah berhasil daftar di https://investor.ksei.co.id? Sharing dong. Dah coba input berkali2 account id dari IPOT, tapi selalu dibilang account id not valid. regards,
RE: [ob] Jam 3 Sore... trader dibuat Lemez Hopelezz
Embah, bilang 'fasten your seat belt'.. kita mau ke arah yg mana nih? Up or down. Cheers, Richard. From: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com [mailto:obrolan-ban...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of JsxTraderT Sent: Friday, April 03, 2009 3:21 PM To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [ob] Jam 3 Sore... trader dibuat Lemez Hopelezz We are in strong resistance area 1472-1510.., fasten your seat belt ! Powered by TLKM BullBerryR _ From: Rei Date: Fri, 3 Apr 2009 15:15:53 +0700 To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [ob] Jam 3 Sore... trader dibuat Lemez Hopelezz Iya nih, ayo El tanggung jawab lho hehehe... Mbah ada sdh merestui... On Fri, Apr 3, 2009 at 3:12 PM, Thomas Frederick thomaszone_2...@yahoo.com wrote: because of you... HOLD.. waiting for you 1550... kenapa kok banyak barrier and ghost ya?? udah ada yang muka jelek tuh dipasang... masa ga ditarik lagi EL? Thank You! Error! Filename not specified. ThomaS FredericK --- On Fri, 4/3/09, Elaine Sui elainesu...@gmail.com wrote: From: Elaine Sui elainesu...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [ob] Jam 3 Sore... trader dibuat Lemez Hopelezz To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, April 3, 2009, 3:07 AM lolz.. berapa kali cut loss this week? Elaine On Fri, Apr 3, 2009 at 3:03 PM, Thomas Frederick thomaszone_2000@ mailto:thomaszone_2...@yahoo.com yahoo.com wrote: Jam 3 Sore... trader dibuat Lemez Hopelezz Thank You! Error! Filename not specified. ThomaS FredericK
RE: [ob] Pak JT : BISI
Embah JT, wats up with BISI ya?... kok lemot bgt dia? Boleh bagi analisanya J Cheers, Richard.
RE: [ob] Pak JT : BISI
Peace pak J..ok tolong intipin ya. Thanks. Cheers, Richard. From: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com [mailto:obrolan-ban...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of JsxTrader™ Sent: Friday, April 03, 2009 4:30 PM To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [ob] Pak JT : BISI Woiii.., ane bukan Mbah.., haha, ngawur aje..., ntar diomelin yg punya milis.. Hehe Hari ini gak liat bisi pak, ane sibuk ngebonceng si EL..., ntar deh saya intipin.., dah weekend'an dulu lah... Powered by TLKM BullBerry® _ From: RichardMux Date: Fri, 3 Apr 2009 16:08:56 +0700 To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [ob] Pak JT : BISI Embah JT, wats up with BISI ya?... kok lemot bgt dia? Boleh bagi analisanya J Cheers, Richard.
RE: [obrolan-bandar] Re: Iseng2x kalkulasi BUMI pakai simple DCF --- Buat pak Richard
Thanks Embah, 1 lagi.. soal Money management boleh minta advice? Cheers, Richard From: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com [mailto:obrolan-ban...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of jsx_consultant Sent: Friday, January 09, 2009 11:21 PM To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: [obrolan-bandar] Re: Iseng2x kalkulasi BUMI pakai simple DCF --- Buat pak Richard --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com mailto:obrolan-bandar%40yahoogroups.com , RichardMux richard...@... wrote: But Embah.. saya mau Tanya.. menurut anda sebagai suhu yg sudah lama berkecimpungan di area ini, saran buat new be.. lebih profitable menjadi day trader ato fundamental trader yg bersedia menahan sahamnya sampai lamaa sekali? Jawabannya TERGANTUNG market cycle Bullish periode itu bisa berlangsung bertahun tahun, jika bisa masuk pada awal cycle akan BAGUS sekali, Contoh: - Coal 50, BUMI 930 awal 2007 - Coal 70, BUMI 2400 - coal 90, BUMI 6000 - Coal 127, BUMI 7750 - coal 138, BUMI 8500 Sekarang coal 80, BUMI seharusnya 3000, tapi closing hari ini 630 (harga KURANG ajar). Apakah coal terendahnya di 80 ?. Atau coal akan turun dulu dibawah harga minyak SEPERTI sebelum tahun 2007. Jadi ini bukan masalah mana yg lebih baik trader atau investor, TAPI BISAKAH kita menebak AWAL DARI CYCLE harga batu bara dan APAKAH kita bisa BERSABAR menunggu itu TERJADI ?. Apakah IHSG sekarang sudah terendah ?. Apakah tidak mungkin IHSG menjadi 400 jika dunia mengalami RESESI YG HEBAT dithn 2009 ?. Begitu juga dengan Trader, Minyak turun dalam dua hari dari 50 ke 40 saat ini, apa engga mungkin besok pagi 30 ? atau mungkin juga naik lagi ke 50. Jadi trader itu punya kehidupan yang GONJANG GANJING. Lebih baik menjadi SEMI trader/investor. Masuk pada awal market cycle bulanan dan keluar pada akhir cyclenya. Contoh: 1. Masuk pada hari Sumpah Pemuda 2. Masuk ikut brigade 1089 Kedua cycle ini menghasilkan kenaikan index sekitar 2 x 30%, tanpa perlu MELOTOTIN layar saban hari dari pagi ampe sore dengan kenaikan saham mencapai 100% ampe 150%. Cuman ITU LAGI kebetulan, karena sangat susah menentukan AWAL dari cycle. Tapi mudah mudahan bisa terulang lagi... 1 lagi embah, meski ini stupid bgt question saya , I memberanikan diri bertanya aja deh,.. ada refrensi gak untuk guide us on money management.. kadang saya liat teman2x saya ya main (termaksud saya) lemah bgt money managementnya sehingga cepat abis pelor. Saya yakin ini pasti unique kepada masing2x trader tp advice anda apa ya buat para newbi J Thanks and regards, Richard. From: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com mailto:obrolan-bandar%40yahoogroups.com [mailto:obrolan- ban...@yahoogroups.com mailto:bandar%40yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of jsx_consultant Sent: Friday, January 09, 2009 9:28 PM To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com mailto:obrolan-bandar%40yahoogroups.com Subject: [obrolan-bandar] Re: Iseng2x kalkulasi BUMI pakai simple DCF --- Buat pak Richard --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com mailto:obrolan-bandar%40yahoogroups.com mailto:obrolan-bandar%40yahoogroups.com , tirta858 tirta858@ wrote: PDF dari Dana,JP,Macq silakan di cermati, enjoy http://www.mediafire.com/? sharekey=45598714bb145019d2db6fb9a8902bda Ngitung Harga WAJAR engga gampang, udah susah2 ngitung dapetnya paling2 harga kurang AJAR ..eh... WAJAR... hehehe... Hari ini pak Tirta ngirim tiga harga BUMI dari research JP Morgan, Macquire dan Danareksa. Perkiraan Net Profit 2008,2009 dan 2010 - JP Morgan: 668, 509, 149 - Macquire : 970, 954, 995 - Danareksa: 546, 333, 306 Gile estimate profit 2010: BEDA JAUH BANGET 149, 995 dan 306, analis udah pada stress nih... Hasil HITUNGAN pake rumus KEREN dapetnya: - JP Morgan: target = Rp 1240, tapi karena emitennya nakal didiscount 50% jadi Rp 620 - Macquire: target = Rp 500 - Danareksa: Rp 900 Macquire yg estimate profitnya paling gede dapat harga wajarnya paling rendah yaitu 500, dan yg lain 900 dan 1240... hehehe... Yang mana yang BENER ?. Bingung KAN ... Coba kita itung pake CARA GAMPANG: Awal thn 2007, harga coal 50 dan harga PTBA = 3500, sekarang coal = 80 dan PTBA = 7950. Jadi harga PTBA naik 7950/3500 = 2,27 kali Harga BUMI saat PTBA= 3500 thn 2007 adalah 930. Jadi kalo kita pake ratio harga PTBA = 930 X 2,27 = 2111 Jadi kalo 7950 adalah harga wajar PTBA sekarang maka harga wajar BUMI sekarang adalah Rp 2111. Tapi karena BUMI itu emiten SLEBOR dan NAKAL, kita kasih discount 50% menjadi 1055. Harga hari ini = 630, kalo ada dua kali lagi AR KIRI akan menjadi = 510. Jadi kalo beli BUMI di harga GEBUGAN AR = 510, akan ada potensi gain 100%. Ini menurut hitungan harga wajar CARA GAMPANG tapi rada kurang belAJAR .. hehehe... Gitu pak Richard...
RE: [obrolan-bandar] Re: Iseng2x kalkulasi BUMI pakai simple DCF --- Buat pak Richard
Hehe Embah, memang hari2x ini market kurang ajar .. eh maksud saya kurang WAJAR.. Okok, menarik sekali.. I wonder what were people thinking (termaksud saya sendiri) saat beli bumi di 7000 dan PTBA di 15000.. Saya bias pake cara yg sama untuk menganalisa saham2x di sector lain. But Embah.. saya mau Tanya.. menurut anda sebagai suhu yg sudah lama berkecimpungan di area ini, saran buat new be.. lebih profitable menjadi day trader ato fundamental trader yg bersedia menahan sahamnya sampai lamaa sekali? 1 lagi embah, meski ini stupid bgt question saya , I memberanikan diri bertanya aja deh,.. ada refrensi gak untuk guide us on money management.. kadang saya liat teman2x saya ya main (termaksud saya) lemah bgt money managementnya sehingga cepat abis pelor. Saya yakin ini pasti unique kepada masing2x trader tp advice anda apa ya buat para newbi J Thanks and regards, Richard. From: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com [mailto:obrolan-ban...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of jsx_consultant Sent: Friday, January 09, 2009 9:28 PM To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: [obrolan-bandar] Re: Iseng2x kalkulasi BUMI pakai simple DCF --- Buat pak Richard --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com mailto:obrolan-bandar%40yahoogroups.com , tirta858 tirta...@... wrote: PDF dari Dana,JP,Macq silakan di cermati, enjoy http://www.mediafire.com/?sharekey=45598714bb145019d2db6fb9a8902bda Ngitung Harga WAJAR engga gampang, udah susah2 ngitung dapetnya paling2 harga kurang AJAR ..eh... WAJAR... hehehe... Hari ini pak Tirta ngirim tiga harga BUMI dari research JP Morgan, Macquire dan Danareksa. Perkiraan Net Profit 2008,2009 dan 2010 - JP Morgan: 668, 509, 149 - Macquire : 970, 954, 995 - Danareksa: 546, 333, 306 Gile estimate profit 2010: BEDA JAUH BANGET 149, 995 dan 306, analis udah pada stress nih... Hasil HITUNGAN pake rumus KEREN dapetnya: - JP Morgan: target = Rp 1240, tapi karena emitennya nakal didiscount 50% jadi Rp 620 - Macquire: target = Rp 500 - Danareksa: Rp 900 Macquire yg estimate profitnya paling gede dapat harga wajarnya paling rendah yaitu 500, dan yg lain 900 dan 1240... hehehe... Yang mana yang BENER ?. Bingung KAN ... Coba kita itung pake CARA GAMPANG: Awal thn 2007, harga coal 50 dan harga PTBA = 3500, sekarang coal = 80 dan PTBA = 7950. Jadi harga PTBA naik 7950/3500 = 2,27 kali Harga BUMI saat PTBA= 3500 thn 2007 adalah 930. Jadi kalo kita pake ratio harga PTBA = 930 X 2,27 = 2111 Jadi kalo 7950 adalah harga wajar PTBA sekarang maka harga wajar BUMI sekarang adalah Rp 2111. Tapi karena BUMI itu emiten SLEBOR dan NAKAL, kita kasih discount 50% menjadi 1055. Harga hari ini = 630, kalo ada dua kali lagi AR KIRI akan menjadi = 510. Jadi kalo beli BUMI di harga GEBUGAN AR = 510, akan ada potensi gain 100%. Ini menurut hitungan harga wajar CARA GAMPANG tapi rada kurang belAJAR .. hehehe... Gitu pak Richard...
RE: [obrolan-bandar] Good morning, buyers :)
Morning El, what is for breakfast today? Cheers, Richard. From: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com [mailto:obrolan-ban...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Elaine Sui Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2009 8:05 AM To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: [obrolan-bandar] Good morning, buyers :)
RE: [obrolan-bandar] Harga wajar samah
Hi El, I used your method of calculation and came up with this result. PTBA = 7700 Divident 45 45/7700*100=0.54 45/8%=562.5 . is this the true value of PTBA? Thanks El.. Cheers, Richard. From: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com [mailto:obrolan-ban...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Elaine Sui Sent: Sunday, January 04, 2009 11:27 PM To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [obrolan-bandar] Harga wajar samah Listen to me. I'll explain this as simple as possible. Okay? First, you must BUY now. That's all. lol.. okay seriously, you should consider comparing stocks' DPR (dividend/price ratio) vs RFRR (Risk free rate of return) or simply the average bank deposit rate + 1% spread. Dividend/Price Ratio should NEVER be allowed to go above RFR ratio. (otherwise it's undervalued) Example: Let's say a stock price is 1000. The dividend forecast is around 100. That makes the DPR = 100/1000=10%. while the current risk free rate of return (RFRR) is only at 8% You see the DPR is higher than the current RFRR. So, the stock price MAY adjust itself to have 8% DPR, means the stock price' fair value would be around 100/8% = 1250. So the stock may advance around 25% from 1000 (to 1250) usually until the dividend is paid. Let's say for other stock, the dividend forecast is only 10. That makes the DPR = 10/1000=1%, this means the stock price is way too high compared to its dividend. So the stock price MAY plunge to 10/8%= 125 at worst, usually soon after the dividend is paid. Case 1: BUMI. On June 2008, BUMI price was 8000. The announced http://economy.okezone.com/index.php/ReadStory/2008/06/12/21/118016/bumi-ba gi-dividen-usd317-jt dividend was 111, and RFRR is, let's say, 8%. The simple calculation would be 111/8% = 13xx. That'd be the fair value of BUMI. Case 2: INCO. On Nov 1, 2007, INCO announced http://www.antara.co.id/en/arc/2007/11/1/pt-inco-tbk-approves-an-interim-20 07-dividend-of-09787-per-share/ that it'd pay a dividend of $1 or around IDR 9000. INCO was 100k/share. The RFRR is 8%, so INCO had a chance to rise to 9000/8% = 112k before the dividend is finally paid. But the nickel price was already plunged at that time, so the next dividend forecast fell, and so did the price. The latest dividend cmiiw was around $0.2, that makes current fair value of INCO is around 25xx. I made you confused, didn't I..? this post makes me less 'mysterious' lol wth.. I guess you'd love to have a night class with Elaine.. j/k.. Elaine 2009/1/4 Richard S richard...@gmail.com Para Suhu2x yg saya hormati.. saya sebagai newbi punya pertanyan fundamental mohon bimbingannya .. Bagai mana cari tau harga wajar sebuah saham, apakah dia uda terlalu mahal untuk di beli ato sudah mura dan boleh di beli? Thanks in advance, Richard. image001.gifimage002.gifimage003.gif
[obrolan-bandar] RE: [saham] FMA citibank 050109
Wah pak Gambler, gak bias download dari website tersebut.. email aja deh pdfnya J.. Tnx cheers, Richard. From: sa...@yahoogroups.com [mailto:sa...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Gambler.BEJ Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 11:45 PM To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com; sa...@yahoogroups.com Subject: [saham] FMA citibank 050109 Sekedar berbagi, kalau ada yg mau, Financial Market Analysis dari Citibank vol 9 issue 1, 05 Jan 09 http://depositfiles.com/files/yi9fd4t9q image001.jpgimage002.jpg
RE: [obrolan-bandar] Harga wajar saham
Embah2x yg saya hormati.. ada yg boleh bantu saya melihat harga wajar saham PTBA? Terimakasih J From: RichardMux [mailto:richard...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 10:18 PM To: 'obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com' Subject: RE: [obrolan-bandar] Harga wajar samah Hi El, I used your method of calculation and came up with this result. PTBA = 7700 Divident 45 45/7700*100=0.54 45/8%=562.5 . is this the true value of PTBA? Thanks El.. Cheers, Richard. From: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com [mailto:obrolan-ban...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Elaine Sui Sent: Sunday, January 04, 2009 11:27 PM To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [obrolan-bandar] Harga wajar samah Listen to me. I'll explain this as simple as possible. Okay? First, you must BUY now. That's all. lol.. okay seriously, you should consider comparing stocks' DPR (dividend/price ratio) vs RFRR (Risk free rate of return) or simply the average bank deposit rate + 1% spread. Dividend/Price Ratio should NEVER be allowed to go above RFR ratio. (otherwise it's undervalued) Example: Let's say a stock price is 1000. The dividend forecast is around 100. That makes the DPR = 100/1000=10%. while the current risk free rate of return (RFRR) is only at 8% You see the DPR is higher than the current RFRR. So, the stock price MAY adjust itself to have 8% DPR, means the stock price' fair value would be around 100/8% = 1250. So the stock may advance around 25% from 1000 (to 1250) usually until the dividend is paid. Let's say for other stock, the dividend forecast is only 10. That makes the DPR = 10/1000=1%, this means the stock price is way too high compared to its dividend. So the stock price MAY plunge to 10/8%= 125 at worst, usually soon after the dividend is paid. Case 1: BUMI. On June 2008, BUMI price was 8000. The announced http://economy.okezone.com/index.php/ReadStory/2008/06/12/21/118016/bumi-ba gi-dividen-usd317-jt dividend was 111, and RFRR is, let's say, 8%. The simple calculation would be 111/8% = 13xx. That'd be the fair value of BUMI. Case 2: INCO. On Nov 1, 2007, INCO announced http://www.antara.co.id/en/arc/2007/11/1/pt-inco-tbk-approves-an-interim-20 07-dividend-of-09787-per-share/ that it'd pay a dividend of $1 or around IDR 9000. INCO was 100k/share. The RFRR is 8%, so INCO had a chance to rise to 9000/8% = 112k before the dividend is finally paid. But the nickel price was already plunged at that time, so the next dividend forecast fell, and so did the price. The latest dividend cmiiw was around $0.2, that makes current fair value of INCO is around 25xx. I made you confused, didn't I..? this post makes me less 'mysterious' lol wth.. I guess you'd love to have a night class with Elaine.. j/k.. Elaine 2009/1/4 Richard S richard...@gmail.com Para Suhu2x yg saya hormati.. saya sebagai newbi punya pertanyan fundamental mohon bimbingannya .. Bagai mana cari tau harga wajar sebuah saham, apakah dia uda terlalu mahal untuk di beli ato sudah mura dan boleh di beli? Thanks in advance, Richard. image001.gifimage002.gifimage003.gif
RE: [obrolan-bandar] Re: Harga wajar saham
Pak Karno, Terimakasih buat sharing anda namun saya ada 1 perusahaan, gimana ya caranya tau jumlah lembar saham yg beredar di pasaran? Cheers, Richard. From: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com [mailto:obrolan-ban...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of karno@gmail.com Sent: Monday, January 05, 2009 9:25 AM To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [obrolan-bandar] Re: Harga wajar saham Ikutan sharing Company valuation simpy = Present value of expected streams of earning after discounted of cost of capital (setelah dikurangi biaya modal/bunga) Pengertian earning di sini adalah net (laba bersih) Di sini sebagai contoh saya ambil penghasilan 10 tahun, pada kenyataannya tergantung mau hitung berapa tahun, ini hanya untuk memudahkan perhitungan. Misal proyeksi laba bersih perusahaan A = tahun 1 = 100milyar tahun 2 = 125milyar tahun 3 = 140milyar Tahun 4 s/d 10 = 150milyar. Cost of capital (pendekatan bunga di sini = bunga pinjaman) kita anggap = 15% Jumlah saham beredar =500 juta lembar. Maka nilai prsh = Thn 1 = 100m/(1,15)^1 = 87m Thn 2 = 125m/(1,15)^2= 95m Thn 3 = 140m/(1,15)^3 = 92m Thn 4 = 86m dst maka total present value s/d tahun ke 10 = 684miliar. Harga saham sendiri secara sederhana = nilai perusahaan/jumlah saham beredar. Jadi nilai saham prsh A/lembarnya= 684m/500jt = 1368 Pada kenyataannya biaya bunga tidak flat setiap tahunnya, begitu juga memprediksi laba (apalagi berbasis komoditi :) tidak mudah. Pendekatan ini agak berbeda dgn yg ditulis Miss El terutama dalam 2 hal yakni earning vs deviden dan bunga deposito vs bunga pinjaman. Dari sudut pandang investor hitungan nona Elaine tidak salah. Menggiurkan sekali, kalau investasi saham bisa menghasilkan deviden sebesar bunga deposito. Cheers, Sent from my BlackBerryR powered by Sinyal Kuat INDOSAT _ From: jsx_consultant Date: Sun, 04 Jan 2009 17:07:51 - To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: [obrolan-bandar] Re: Harga wajar saham Ini rumus Gordon Growth Model: Price = Deviden / (Expected Return-Expected Growth) Expected Growth dianggap nol, lagi RESESI. Dulu kan diajarin kang okoy... hehehe... --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com mailto:obrolan-bandar%40yahoogroups.com , Elaine Sui elainesu...@... wrote: *Listen to me. I'll explain this as simple as possible. Okay? First, you must BUY now. That's all. lol..[?] okay seriously, you should consider comparing stocks' DPR (dividend/price ratio) vs RFRR (Risk free rate of return) or simply the average bank deposit rate + 1% spread. Dividend/Price Ratio should NEVER be allowed to go above RFR ratio. (otherwise it's undervalued) Example: Let's say a stock price is 1000. The dividend forecast is around 100. That makes the DPR = 100/1000=10%. while the current risk free rate of return (RFRR) is only at 8% You see the DPR is higher than the current RFRR. So, the stock price MAY adjust itself to have 8% DPR, means the stock price' fair value would be around 100/8% = 1250. So the stock may advance around 25% from 1000 (to 1250) usually until the dividend is paid. Let's say for other stock, the dividend forecast is only 10. That makes the DPR = 10/1000=1%, this means the stock price is way too high compared to its dividend. So the stock price MAY plunge to 10/8%= 125 at worst, usually soon after the dividend is paid. Case 1: BUMI. On June 2008, BUMI price was 8000. The announced http://economy.okezone.com/index.php/ReadStory/2008/06/12/21/118016/b umi-bagi-dividen-usd317-jtdividend was 111, and RFRR is, let's say, 8%. The simple calculation would be 111/8% = 13xx. That'd be the fair value of BUMI. Case 2: INCO. On Nov 1, 2007, INCO announced http://www.antara.co.id/en/arc/2007/11/1/pt-inco-tbk-approves-an- interim-2007-dividend-of-09787-per-share/that it'd pay a dividend of $1 or around IDR 9000. INCO was 100k/share. The RFRR is 8%, so INCO had a chance to rise to 9000/8% = 112k before the dividend is finally paid. But the nickel price was already plunged at that time, so the next dividend forecast fell, and so did the price. The latest dividend cmiiw was around $0.2, that makes current fair value of INCO is around 25xx. I made you confused, didn't I..? [?] this post makes me less 'mysterious' lol wth.. I guess you'd love to have a night class with Elaine.. [?] j/k.. Elaine * 2009/1/4 Richard S richard...@... Para Suhu2x yg saya hormati.. saya sebagai newbi punya pertanyan fundamental mohon bimbingannya .. Bagai mana cari tau harga wajar sebuah saham, apakah dia uda terlalu mahal untuk di beli ato sudah mura dan boleh di beli? Thanks in advance, Richard.
RE: [obrolan-bandar] Re: Harga wajar saham
Dear All (Elaine,Jsx-consultant,KarnoGambler.Gej) Thanks for your sharing, as complicated as it can sound it can at least help to do a preliminary assessment of the stocks before taking another thoughtless act. The DPR vs RFRR comparison is a very interesting approach taking into consideration that these information are not hard to find and simple to start with J (Thanks a bunch El). Looking at the blogs shared though a little more intensive research is required, the knowledge is a good foundation to have and start with, I will try to analyze my current stock holdings and see if they are worth to hold on to J (thanks a bunch Jsx-consultant) Another interesting fact I have herd a lot about is that charts can speak to us J, the above approach is a fundamental approach, but is it something we can know also from by looking at charts? Cheers, Richard. From: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com [mailto:obrolan-ban...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Gambler.BEJ Sent: Monday, January 05, 2009 10:50 AM To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [obrolan-bandar] Re: Harga wajar saham Well nothing's perfect Elaine DDM and ERR also doesn't makes sense cos Dividend varies over the years, next year's dividend could only be 50% of this year's. How could you calculate something that you don't know? RF Rates also changes at an even more rapid rate than dividend. These are all yardsticks so to help anal-ist to have something to hold on to and measure possible/likely scenarios. They are not perfect but they are all we got at the moment. Elaine Sui wrote: /Well, I guess he did. But I was actually telling about Dividend Discount Model and Equity Risk Premium, which are slightly different from Gordon Growth Model. (Personally I think GGM doesnt make sense, there is not such thing as constant growth rate, and it doesn't really work on emerging countries) If he was here, I'd love to discuss this with him. Anyway, Richard said he's a newbie, so I guess we have to explain a bit about valuation in the simplest way possible. Maybe you (or anyone) can help him from technical point of view (if there's any..) * **Elaine*/* * On Mon, Jan 5, 2009 at 12:07 AM, jsx_consultant jsx-consult...@centrin.net.id mailto:jsx-consultant%40centrin.net.id mailto:jsx-consult...@centrin.net.id mailto:jsx-consultant%40centrin.net.id wrote: Ini rumus Gordon Growth Model: Price = Deviden / (Expected Return-Expected Growth) Expected Growth dianggap nol, lagi RESESI. Dulu kan diajarin kang okoy... hehehe... --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com mailto:obrolan-bandar%40yahoogroups.com mailto:obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com mailto:obrolan-bandar%40yahoogroups.com , Elaine Sui elainesu...@... wrote: *Listen to me. I'll explain this as simple as possible. Okay? First, you must BUY now. That's all. lol..[?] okay seriously, you should consider comparing stocks' DPR (dividend/price ratio) vs RFRR (Risk free rate of return) or simply the average bank deposit rate + 1% spread. Dividend/Price Ratio should NEVER be allowed to go above RFR ratio. (otherwise it's undervalued) Example: Let's say a stock price is 1000. The dividend forecast is around 100. That makes the DPR = 100/1000=10%. while the current risk free rate of return (RFRR) is only at 8% You see the DPR is higher than the current RFRR. So, the stock price MAY adjust itself to have 8% DPR, means the stock price' fair value would be around 100/8% = 1250. So the stock may advance around 25% from 1000 (to 1250) usually until the dividend is paid. Let's say for other stock, the dividend forecast is only 10. That makes the DPR = 10/1000=1%, this means the stock price is way too high compared to its dividend. So the stock price MAY plunge to 10/8%= 125 at worst, usually soon after the dividend is paid. Case 1: BUMI. On June 2008, BUMI price was 8000. The announced http://economy.okezone.com/index.php/ReadStory/2008/06/12/21/118016/b umi-bagi-dividen-usd317-jt http://economy.okezone.com/index.php/ReadStory/2008/06/12/21/118016/bumi-ba gi-dividen-usd317-jtdividend was 111, and RFRR is, let's say, 8%. The simple calculation would be 111/8% = 13xx. That'd be the fair value of BUMI. Case 2: INCO. On Nov 1, 2007, INCO announced http://www.antara.co.id/en/arc/2007/11/1/pt-inco-tbk-approves-an- interim-2007-dividend-of-09787-per-share/ http://www.antara.co.id/en/arc/2007/11/1/pt-inco-tbk-approves-an-interim-20 07-dividend-of-09787-per-share/that it'd pay a dividend of $1 or around IDR 9000. INCO was 100k/share. The RFRR is 8%, so INCO had a chance to rise to 9000/8% = 112k before the dividend is finally paid. But the nickel price was already plunged at that time, so the next dividend forecast fell, and so did the price. The latest dividend cmiiw was around $0.2, that makes current fair value of INCO is around 25xx. I made you confused, didn't I..? [?]
[obrolan-bandar] Re: FW: [Milis-AATI] IHSG ke 2400 terus 2500 (ceterus paribus)
Wah Embah EL kayaknya +ve nih portfolionya... Gw bersukyur di saat2x seperti ada yg simpatik bagi korban energy cpo. Gw juga turut berdukacita. Cheers .. --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Vincent Chase [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 50% your wish on unsp has been granted dong? still waiting aali,tbla,sgro el? or still praying 80% correction? hehhee Elaine Sui [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Elaine 2008/8/5 oentoeng_qq [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tanya Elaine yang baik aja pak...LOL.. Soalnya dia minta koreksi sekitar 50% saham2 tersebut, siapa tahu LEBIH? --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Vincent Chase chase.vincent@ wrote: so celurit abang jampang di cpo masi jatuh dong om Oen? masi antri sabar? + + + + + + + Mohon saat meREPLY posting, text dari posting lama dihapus kecuali diperlukan agar CONTEXTnya jelas. + + + + + + +Yahoo! Groups Links
[obrolan-bandar] Re: [OOT] POEMS ga bisa diakses,..ada yg bisa bantu ga
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