[obrolan-bandar] Re: DJIA for today
RSI positive divergence, Crispy it is. --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, tirta858 tirta...@... wrote: If DJIA friday low doesn't go lower than thrusday low then it's buy signal. Let's hope the support hold. http://img404.imageshack.us/img404/5749/djia.gif --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, tirta858 tirta858@ wrote: To break or not to break http://img147.imageshack.us/img147/5749/djia.gif --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, tirta858 tirta858@ wrote: Let's hope the support holds. http://img140.imageshack.us/img140/5749/djia.gif --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, tirta858 tirta858@ wrote: DJIA almost crispy wait a little until macd and rsi show positive divergence then its ready to serve. http://img253.imageshack.us/img253/5749/djia.gif --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, tirta858 tirta858@ wrote: DJIA another view: http://img527.imageshack.us/img527/5749/djia.gif --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, tirta858 tirta858@ wrote: Be prepared for bear case scenario guys. --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, tirta858 tirta858@ wrote: Just scrutinized DJIA further after 2 days ago gap down, and its a pretty disturbing finding. Another bearish scenario just to get us prepared. http://img153.imageshack.us/img153/2810/djia2cq0.gif --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, tirta858 tirta858@ wrote: Resistance resistance DJIA 19 FEB 10:30 WIB http://img153.imageshack.us/img153/4070/djiacs2.gif --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, shiro_rex@ wrote: Kalo ngikuti chart, double bottom, jadi hari ini kemungkinan bisa naik dulu, tp tidak menutup kemungkinan untuk kembali turun ke bottom ketiga or lanjut reversal ke resistance berikutnya. Disclaimer, Regards, Teguh Riswono Sent from my BlackBerry® powered by Sinyal Kuat INDOSAT -Original Message- From: Budi Raharjo budi_wang@ Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 08:32:03 To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [obrolan-bandar] DJIA for today Artinya masih bahaya pak? Best regards, Budi Raharjo www.kinggeneraltrading.blogspot.com From: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com [mailto:obrolan- ban...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of tirta858 Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2009 8:24 AM To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: [obrolan-bandar] DJIA for today Hitting resistance, they didn't let it go over the line. http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/4784/djiaca1.gif
[obrolan-bandar] Re: DJIA for today
Chart for tuesday http://img158.imageshack.us/img158/8136/djiad.gif --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, tirta858 tirta...@... wrote: RSI positive divergence, Crispy it is. --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, tirta858 tirta858@ wrote: If DJIA friday low doesn't go lower than thrusday low then it's buy signal. Let's hope the support hold. http://img404.imageshack.us/img404/5749/djia.gif --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, tirta858 tirta858@ wrote: To break or not to break http://img147.imageshack.us/img147/5749/djia.gif --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, tirta858 tirta858@ wrote: Let's hope the support holds. http://img140.imageshack.us/img140/5749/djia.gif --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, tirta858 tirta858@ wrote: DJIA almost crispy wait a little until macd and rsi show positive divergence then its ready to serve. http://img253.imageshack.us/img253/5749/djia.gif --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, tirta858 tirta858@ wrote: DJIA another view: http://img527.imageshack.us/img527/5749/djia.gif --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, tirta858 tirta858@ wrote: Be prepared for bear case scenario guys. --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, tirta858 tirta858@ wrote: Just scrutinized DJIA further after 2 days ago gap down, and its a pretty disturbing finding. Another bearish scenario just to get us prepared. http://img153.imageshack.us/img153/2810/djia2cq0.gif --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, tirta858 tirta858@ wrote: Resistance resistance DJIA 19 FEB 10:30 WIB http://img153.imageshack.us/img153/4070/djiacs2.gif --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, shiro_rex@ wrote: Kalo ngikuti chart, double bottom, jadi hari ini kemungkinan bisa naik dulu, tp tidak menutup kemungkinan untuk kembali turun ke bottom ketiga or lanjut reversal ke resistance berikutnya. Disclaimer, Regards, Teguh Riswono Sent from my BlackBerry® powered by Sinyal Kuat INDOSAT -Original Message- From: Budi Raharjo budi_wang@ Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 08:32:03 To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [obrolan-bandar] DJIA for today Artinya masih bahaya pak? Best regards, Budi Raharjo www.kinggeneraltrading.blogspot.com From: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com [mailto:obrolan- ban...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of tirta858 Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2009 8:24 AM To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: [obrolan-bandar] DJIA for today Hitting resistance, they didn't let it go over the line. http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/4784/djiaca1.gif
[obrolan-bandar] You must be Mad to buy Citigroup stock. Re: peraturan delisting NYSE mengenai
Did a simple DCF when you take WFC ttm FCF, assuming k = 11% , 1-5 years g = 8%, 6-10 years g = 7%, Terminal g = 3%, you come out with IV= $12.74, discount it 40% for margin of safety, you will have = $7.64 vs $ 7.80(52wk low) :P Did a simple TP using ttm P/E estimate, you come out with $35 :) --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, cendrawira cendraw...@... wrote: Baiklah, saya akan lebih detil menjelaskan tentang pendapat saya ttg pilihan saya. pertama saya sangat menganjurkan saudara2 untuk membaca ini: http://iamthewitness.com/books/Andrew.Carrington.Hitchcock/The.History.of.the.Money.Changers.htm it is a very very good and long read, saya sangat menikmati setiap detik dari artikel tersebut, saya berani jamin saudara2 yang blum membaca artikel itu akan membuka pikiran anda. Baca dan cerna dengan hikmah. saya akan memulai dengan introduction, Kalau kita belajar dari sejarah, United States as much as I hate to admit it, it is a country fills with great spirit. Amerika sejak independent sudah mengalami badai dan krisis yang menempa Amerika menjadi United States of America today, the Global financial and military superpower. anda bisa melihat krisis2 sekilas dari sini http://www.cnbc.com/id/28993790/ apa yang didapatin saya, despite of what most people said the crisis today is different, I beg to differ bahwa ini hanyalah salah satu crisis2 yang akan berlalu dan membuat Amerika lebih cemerlang. Buat yang awam, sebenarnya crisis itu hanyalah manipulasi2 dan di-engineered oleh segelintir2 group2 elite yg dikenal sebagai ILLUMINATI atau orang2 yang hendak mendorong agenda GLOBAL WORLD ORDER. anyway enough of that la, bagi yang tidak mau melihat gambaran besar dari cara dunia ini bekerja gpp, let's get back to fundamental. intinya, US economy will be the first to recoup. The question is, do you want to ride with it? stupid question yes? kita harus berpikir satu langkah ke depan yes? the real question is, HOW DO I TAKE ADVANTAGE OF AMERICAN ECONOMIC RECOVERY?? kita harus berpikir satu langkah ke depan yes? i will spare all the financial calculation, tapi saya akan bagi pikiran saja skenarionya. pada waktu US economy recover, sektor mana yang paling cepat recover along with it. Saudara2 tau, bisnis itu bagai perang, perang memerlukan resources, seperti bisnis memerlukan cash, credit untuk expansion dll. Sekarang saya nanya saudara, sektor mana yang paling banyak koneksi dan power untuk menghimpun duit dari masyarakat paling cepet? correct, BANKS HOLDING. Most people will go with commodities and energy sector, that is correct too, ga ada yang salah. saya juga mikir dengan recovery ekonomi amerika, inflasi akan sangat tinggi sehingga lbh bonafit menyimpan bahan2 darpada uang kertas. tapi yang most people didn't realise, harga2 energy, commodities itu sebenarnya sangat suka dimanipulasi. honestly speaking, yang 'menjatuhkan' harga minyak sekarang juga siapa? dan siapa yg punya duit, power, bargain power untuk menjatuhkan harga tsb suka2? kita mikir paling gampang saja, amerika sebagai negara kapitalis akan tetap membutuhkan BANK. kenapa saya memilih Bank karena sekarang sektor2 finansial yang sudah sengaja di attack dan di short oleh bandar2 pasar sehingga valuasi mrk paling murah dan lbh bisa disesuaikan. saya jujur masih tidak berani memvaluasi sektor2 energi seperti minyak karena itu bidang yg tidak kelihatan, kita tidak tahu percis berapa banyak sisa cadangan mrk dan resiko di nasionalisasi pemerintah daerah tsb. saya tertantang untuk membawa topik ini karena saya tidak mau saudara2 tergiur ttg saham citigroup yang menyesatkan. saya juga tidak berani melarang saudara2 yang tertarik untuk membeli citigroup, tapi memangnya bank2 di amerika hanya ada citigroup? Saya adalah seorang investor, saya membeli perusahaan yang saya suka dan bangga kalau saya memiliki perusahaan yang sebagai captain of the industry, berkualitas apalagi ketika saya mendapatkan harganya paling murah dalam 20 tahun lagi. betul sekali2 bapak2, Bank yang saya bet dengan 1/2 harta saya ada WELLS FARGO. http://www.cnbc.com/id/29511488?slide=12 saya dan kolega2 saya sependapat kalau bidang yg paling bagus dijalankan di amerika sekarang ada bisnis perbankan. Bank2 yang baru dan bersih di buku mrk akan make a killing di jaman krisis ini skrng karena mrk mempunyai bargaining power yg kuat terhadap nasabah2 amerika. Mrk bisa memanfaatkan FED rate 0-0.25% dan menyalurkan kredit dengan rate 4%-5%. Bayangkan saja berapa banyak untungnya NET INTEREST MARGINNYA! duh saya mikir, betapa enakya kalau saya bisa bisa dan mampu membuka bank di amerika juga skrng. loh?? WHY NOT? setelah saya membaca dan riset ttg bidang perbankan di amerika, saya seperti mendapat EUREKA ! DOH??? tidak perlu effort yg banyak untuk riset2 di www.sec.gov dan email2/telpon2 ke investor relations US banks. wong hanya duit interlokal.
[obrolan-bandar] Re: DJIA for today
To break or not to break http://img147.imageshack.us/img147/5749/djia.gif --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, tirta858 tirta...@... wrote: Let's hope the support holds. http://img140.imageshack.us/img140/5749/djia.gif --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, tirta858 tirta858@ wrote: DJIA almost crispy wait a little until macd and rsi show positive divergence then its ready to serve. http://img253.imageshack.us/img253/5749/djia.gif --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, tirta858 tirta858@ wrote: DJIA another view: http://img527.imageshack.us/img527/5749/djia.gif --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, tirta858 tirta858@ wrote: Be prepared for bear case scenario guys. --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, tirta858 tirta858@ wrote: Just scrutinized DJIA further after 2 days ago gap down, and its a pretty disturbing finding. Another bearish scenario just to get us prepared. http://img153.imageshack.us/img153/2810/djia2cq0.gif --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, tirta858 tirta858@ wrote: Resistance resistance DJIA 19 FEB 10:30 WIB http://img153.imageshack.us/img153/4070/djiacs2.gif --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, shiro_rex@ wrote: Kalo ngikuti chart, double bottom, jadi hari ini kemungkinan bisa naik dulu, tp tidak menutup kemungkinan untuk kembali turun ke bottom ketiga or lanjut reversal ke resistance berikutnya. Disclaimer, Regards, Teguh Riswono Sent from my BlackBerry® powered by Sinyal Kuat INDOSAT -Original Message- From: Budi Raharjo budi_wang@ Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 08:32:03 To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [obrolan-bandar] DJIA for today Artinya masih bahaya pak? Best regards, Budi Raharjo www.kinggeneraltrading.blogspot.com From: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com [mailto:obrolan- ban...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of tirta858 Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2009 8:24 AM To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: [obrolan-bandar] DJIA for today Hitting resistance, they didn't let it go over the line. http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/4784/djiaca1.gif
[obrolan-bandar] Re: DJIA for today
IF DJIA friday nite low doesn't go lower than thrusday low, than DJIA iis pretty much crispy and ready to serve. Let's hope the support holds. http://img404.imageshack.us/img404/5749/djia.gif --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, tirta858 tirta...@... wrote: To break or not to break http://img147.imageshack.us/img147/5749/djia.gif --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, tirta858 tirta858@ wrote: Let's hope the support holds. http://img140.imageshack.us/img140/5749/djia.gif --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, tirta858 tirta858@ wrote: DJIA almost crispy wait a little until macd and rsi show positive divergence then its ready to serve. http://img253.imageshack.us/img253/5749/djia.gif --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, tirta858 tirta858@ wrote: DJIA another view: http://img527.imageshack.us/img527/5749/djia.gif --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, tirta858 tirta858@ wrote: Be prepared for bear case scenario guys. --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, tirta858 tirta858@ wrote: Just scrutinized DJIA further after 2 days ago gap down, and its a pretty disturbing finding. Another bearish scenario just to get us prepared. http://img153.imageshack.us/img153/2810/djia2cq0.gif --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, tirta858 tirta858@ wrote: Resistance resistance DJIA 19 FEB 10:30 WIB http://img153.imageshack.us/img153/4070/djiacs2.gif --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, shiro_rex@ wrote: Kalo ngikuti chart, double bottom, jadi hari ini kemungkinan bisa naik dulu, tp tidak menutup kemungkinan untuk kembali turun ke bottom ketiga or lanjut reversal ke resistance berikutnya. Disclaimer, Regards, Teguh Riswono Sent from my BlackBerry® powered by Sinyal Kuat INDOSAT -Original Message- From: Budi Raharjo budi_wang@ Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 08:32:03 To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [obrolan-bandar] DJIA for today Artinya masih bahaya pak? Best regards, Budi Raharjo www.kinggeneraltrading.blogspot.com From: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com [mailto:obrolan- ban...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of tirta858 Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2009 8:24 AM To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: [obrolan-bandar] DJIA for today Hitting resistance, they didn't let it go over the line. http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/4784/djiaca1.gif
[obrolan-bandar] Re: DJIA for today
If DJIA friday low doesn't go lower than thrusday low then it's buy signal. Let's hope the support hold. http://img404.imageshack.us/img404/5749/djia.gif --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, tirta858 tirta...@... wrote: To break or not to break http://img147.imageshack.us/img147/5749/djia.gif --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, tirta858 tirta858@ wrote: Let's hope the support holds. http://img140.imageshack.us/img140/5749/djia.gif --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, tirta858 tirta858@ wrote: DJIA almost crispy wait a little until macd and rsi show positive divergence then its ready to serve. http://img253.imageshack.us/img253/5749/djia.gif --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, tirta858 tirta858@ wrote: DJIA another view: http://img527.imageshack.us/img527/5749/djia.gif --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, tirta858 tirta858@ wrote: Be prepared for bear case scenario guys. --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, tirta858 tirta858@ wrote: Just scrutinized DJIA further after 2 days ago gap down, and its a pretty disturbing finding. Another bearish scenario just to get us prepared. http://img153.imageshack.us/img153/2810/djia2cq0.gif --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, tirta858 tirta858@ wrote: Resistance resistance DJIA 19 FEB 10:30 WIB http://img153.imageshack.us/img153/4070/djiacs2.gif --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, shiro_rex@ wrote: Kalo ngikuti chart, double bottom, jadi hari ini kemungkinan bisa naik dulu, tp tidak menutup kemungkinan untuk kembali turun ke bottom ketiga or lanjut reversal ke resistance berikutnya. Disclaimer, Regards, Teguh Riswono Sent from my BlackBerry® powered by Sinyal Kuat INDOSAT -Original Message- From: Budi Raharjo budi_wang@ Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 08:32:03 To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [obrolan-bandar] DJIA for today Artinya masih bahaya pak? Best regards, Budi Raharjo www.kinggeneraltrading.blogspot.com From: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com [mailto:obrolan- ban...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of tirta858 Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2009 8:24 AM To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: [obrolan-bandar] DJIA for today Hitting resistance, they didn't let it go over the line. http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/4784/djiaca1.gif
[obrolan-bandar] Re: DJIA for today
Let's hope the support holds. http://img140.imageshack.us/img140/5749/djia.gif --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, tirta858 tirta...@... wrote: DJIA almost crispy wait a little until macd and rsi show positive divergence then its ready to serve. http://img253.imageshack.us/img253/5749/djia.gif --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, tirta858 tirta858@ wrote: DJIA another view: http://img527.imageshack.us/img527/5749/djia.gif --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, tirta858 tirta858@ wrote: Be prepared for bear case scenario guys. --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, tirta858 tirta858@ wrote: Just scrutinized DJIA further after 2 days ago gap down, and its a pretty disturbing finding. Another bearish scenario just to get us prepared. http://img153.imageshack.us/img153/2810/djia2cq0.gif --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, tirta858 tirta858@ wrote: Resistance resistance DJIA 19 FEB 10:30 WIB http://img153.imageshack.us/img153/4070/djiacs2.gif --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, shiro_rex@ wrote: Kalo ngikuti chart, double bottom, jadi hari ini kemungkinan bisa naik dulu, tp tidak menutup kemungkinan untuk kembali turun ke bottom ketiga or lanjut reversal ke resistance berikutnya. Disclaimer, Regards, Teguh Riswono Sent from my BlackBerry® powered by Sinyal Kuat INDOSAT -Original Message- From: Budi Raharjo budi_wang@ Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 08:32:03 To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [obrolan-bandar] DJIA for today Artinya masih bahaya pak? Best regards, Budi Raharjo www.kinggeneraltrading.blogspot.com From: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com [mailto:obrolan- ban...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of tirta858 Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2009 8:24 AM To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: [obrolan-bandar] DJIA for today Hitting resistance, they didn't let it go over the line. http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/4784/djiaca1.gif
[obrolan-bandar] Re: DJIA for today
Be prepared for bear case scenario guys. --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, tirta858 tirta...@... wrote: Just scrutinized DJIA further after 2 days ago gap down, and its a pretty disturbing finding. Another bearish scenario just to get us prepared. http://img153.imageshack.us/img153/2810/djia2cq0.gif --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, tirta858 tirta858@ wrote: Resistance resistance DJIA 19 FEB 10:30 WIB http://img153.imageshack.us/img153/4070/djiacs2.gif --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, shiro_rex@ wrote: Kalo ngikuti chart, double bottom, jadi hari ini kemungkinan bisa naik dulu, tp tidak menutup kemungkinan untuk kembali turun ke bottom ketiga or lanjut reversal ke resistance berikutnya. Disclaimer, Regards, Teguh Riswono Sent from my BlackBerry® powered by Sinyal Kuat INDOSAT -Original Message- From: Budi Raharjo budi_wang@ Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 08:32:03 To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [obrolan-bandar] DJIA for today Artinya masih bahaya pak? Best regards, Budi Raharjo www.kinggeneraltrading.blogspot.com From: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com [mailto:obrolan- ban...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of tirta858 Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2009 8:24 AM To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: [obrolan-bandar] DJIA for today Hitting resistance, they didn't let it go over the line. http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/4784/djiaca1.gif
[obrolan-bandar] Re: DJIA for today
DJIA another view: http://img527.imageshack.us/img527/5749/djia.gif --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, tirta858 tirta...@... wrote: Be prepared for bear case scenario guys. --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, tirta858 tirta858@ wrote: Just scrutinized DJIA further after 2 days ago gap down, and its a pretty disturbing finding. Another bearish scenario just to get us prepared. http://img153.imageshack.us/img153/2810/djia2cq0.gif --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, tirta858 tirta858@ wrote: Resistance resistance DJIA 19 FEB 10:30 WIB http://img153.imageshack.us/img153/4070/djiacs2.gif --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, shiro_rex@ wrote: Kalo ngikuti chart, double bottom, jadi hari ini kemungkinan bisa naik dulu, tp tidak menutup kemungkinan untuk kembali turun ke bottom ketiga or lanjut reversal ke resistance berikutnya. Disclaimer, Regards, Teguh Riswono Sent from my BlackBerry® powered by Sinyal Kuat INDOSAT -Original Message- From: Budi Raharjo budi_wang@ Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 08:32:03 To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [obrolan-bandar] DJIA for today Artinya masih bahaya pak? Best regards, Budi Raharjo www.kinggeneraltrading.blogspot.com From: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com [mailto:obrolan- ban...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of tirta858 Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2009 8:24 AM To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: [obrolan-bandar] DJIA for today Hitting resistance, they didn't let it go over the line. http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/4784/djiaca1.gif
[obrolan-bandar] Re: DJIA for today
DJIA almost crispy wait a little until macd and rsi show positive divergence then its ready to serve. http://img253.imageshack.us/img253/5749/djia.gif --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, tirta858 tirta...@... wrote: DJIA another view: http://img527.imageshack.us/img527/5749/djia.gif --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, tirta858 tirta858@ wrote: Be prepared for bear case scenario guys. --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, tirta858 tirta858@ wrote: Just scrutinized DJIA further after 2 days ago gap down, and its a pretty disturbing finding. Another bearish scenario just to get us prepared. http://img153.imageshack.us/img153/2810/djia2cq0.gif --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, tirta858 tirta858@ wrote: Resistance resistance DJIA 19 FEB 10:30 WIB http://img153.imageshack.us/img153/4070/djiacs2.gif --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, shiro_rex@ wrote: Kalo ngikuti chart, double bottom, jadi hari ini kemungkinan bisa naik dulu, tp tidak menutup kemungkinan untuk kembali turun ke bottom ketiga or lanjut reversal ke resistance berikutnya. Disclaimer, Regards, Teguh Riswono Sent from my BlackBerry® powered by Sinyal Kuat INDOSAT -Original Message- From: Budi Raharjo budi_wang@ Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 08:32:03 To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [obrolan-bandar] DJIA for today Artinya masih bahaya pak? Best regards, Budi Raharjo www.kinggeneraltrading.blogspot.com From: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com [mailto:obrolan- ban...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of tirta858 Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2009 8:24 AM To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: [obrolan-bandar] DJIA for today Hitting resistance, they didn't let it go over the line. http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/4784/djiaca1.gif
[obrolan-bandar] Re: DJIA for today
Volume rising even stronger, break or bounce. http://img141.imageshack.us/img141/5749/djia.gif --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, tirta858 tirta...@... wrote: Still heading lower! http://img100.imageshack.us/img100/5749/djia.gif --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, yuliawati_tan05@ wrote: Pak JT, Support dow di 7200 ? If itu jebol bisa benjol2 ya pak? Yulia Sent from my BlackBerry® powered by Sinyal Kuat INDOSAT -Original Message- From: JT jsxtrader@ Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2009 00:31:46 To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [obrolan-bandar] Re: DJIA for today At 00.28, Saya liat volume expand dengan cepat, biasanya jam segini masih kecil.., mudah-mudahan volume blow off dan candle membentuk hammer.., the party will begin 30 minutes before closing bell.. JT -Original Message- From: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com [mailto:obrolan- ban...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of tirta858 Sent: 21 Februari 2009 0:16 To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: [obrolan-bandar] Re: DJIA for today Still heading lower. Multiple support failure. No sign of positive divergence from MACD and RSI, BUT the 10 years chart showing a little different. Supports are at even number. Watch out around 3:00 pm EST that's when the action start. http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/8339/djiacr8.gif Bear case scenario : http://img153.imageshack.us/img153/2810/djia2cq0.gif --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, tirta858 tirta858@ wrote: DJIA Thrusday closing http://img410.imageshack.us/img410/7795/djia3jz5.gif Probable breaking of the rectangle. --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, tirta858 tirta858@ wrote: Just scrutinized DJIA further after 2 days ago gap down, and its a pretty disturbing finding. Another bearish scenario just to get us prepared. http://img153.imageshack.us/img153/2810/djia2cq0.gif --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, tirta858 tirta858@ wrote: Resistance resistance DJIA 19 FEB 10:30 WIB http://img153.imageshack.us/img153/4070/djiacs2.gif --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, shiro_rex@ wrote: Kalo ngikuti chart, double bottom, jadi hari ini kemungkinan bisa naik dulu, tp tidak menutup kemungkinan untuk kembali turun ke bottom ketiga or lanjut reversal ke resistance berikutnya. Disclaimer, Regards, Teguh Riswono Sent from my BlackBerryR powered by Sinyal Kuat INDOSAT -Original Message- From: Budi Raharjo budi_wang@ Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 08:32:03 To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [obrolan-bandar] DJIA for today Artinya masih bahaya pak? Best regards, Budi Raharjo www.kinggeneraltrading.blogspot.com From: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com [mailto:obrolan- ban...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of tirta858 Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2009 8:24 AM To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: [obrolan-bandar] DJIA for today Hitting resistance, they didn't let it go over the line. http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/4784/djiaca1.gif + + + + + + + Mohon saat meREPLY posting, text dari posting lama dihapus kecuali diperlukan agar CONTEXTnya jelas. + + + + + + +Yahoo! Groups Links http://groups.yahoo.com/group/obrolan-bandar/ Individual Email | Traditional http://groups.yahoo.com/group/obrolan-bandar/join (Yahoo! ID required) mailto:obrolan-bandar-dig...@yahoogroups.com mailto:obrolan-bandar-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com obrolan-bandar-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.237 / Virus Database: 270.11.0/1959 - Release Date: 02/19/09 18:45:00
[obrolan-bandar] Re: NOW IDX 1298. Next??
JSX 1266 reach, next level 1240??? --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, tirta858 tirta...@... wrote: JSX 1266 sounds good to me :P --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, JT jsxtrader@ wrote: Good., ntar kalau lari baru sibuk cari entry level hehehe JT From: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com [mailto:obrolan- ban...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Kevin Hogan Sent: 20 Februari 2009 15:37 To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [obrolan-bandar] NOW IDX 1298. Next?? JUAL...JUALLL..KABUR 2009/2/20 Iwan Heryanto iwan.ob@ As per 15:31 malah udah 1296 *cemas* Iwan Thomas Frederick wrote: *Thank You! * ** *ThomaS FredericK* No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.237 / Virus Database: 270.11.0/1959 - Release Date: 02/19/09 18:45:00
[obrolan-bandar] Re: DJIA for today
Volume rising near the bottom. Could have temporary rally with resistance around 7500 http://img242.imageshack.us/img242/5749/djia.gif --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, tirta858 tirta...@... wrote: Still heading lower! http://img100.imageshack.us/img100/5749/djia.gif --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, yuliawati_tan05@ wrote: Pak JT, Support dow di 7200 ? If itu jebol bisa benjol2 ya pak? Yulia Sent from my BlackBerry® powered by Sinyal Kuat INDOSAT -Original Message- From: JT jsxtrader@ Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2009 00:31:46 To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [obrolan-bandar] Re: DJIA for today At 00.28, Saya liat volume expand dengan cepat, biasanya jam segini masih kecil.., mudah-mudahan volume blow off dan candle membentuk hammer.., the party will begin 30 minutes before closing bell.. JT -Original Message- From: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com [mailto:obrolan- ban...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of tirta858 Sent: 21 Februari 2009 0:16 To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: [obrolan-bandar] Re: DJIA for today Still heading lower. Multiple support failure. No sign of positive divergence from MACD and RSI, BUT the 10 years chart showing a little different. Supports are at even number. Watch out around 3:00 pm EST that's when the action start. http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/8339/djiacr8.gif Bear case scenario : http://img153.imageshack.us/img153/2810/djia2cq0.gif --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, tirta858 tirta858@ wrote: DJIA Thrusday closing http://img410.imageshack.us/img410/7795/djia3jz5.gif Probable breaking of the rectangle. --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, tirta858 tirta858@ wrote: Just scrutinized DJIA further after 2 days ago gap down, and its a pretty disturbing finding. Another bearish scenario just to get us prepared. http://img153.imageshack.us/img153/2810/djia2cq0.gif --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, tirta858 tirta858@ wrote: Resistance resistance DJIA 19 FEB 10:30 WIB http://img153.imageshack.us/img153/4070/djiacs2.gif --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, shiro_rex@ wrote: Kalo ngikuti chart, double bottom, jadi hari ini kemungkinan bisa naik dulu, tp tidak menutup kemungkinan untuk kembali turun ke bottom ketiga or lanjut reversal ke resistance berikutnya. Disclaimer, Regards, Teguh Riswono Sent from my BlackBerryR powered by Sinyal Kuat INDOSAT -Original Message- From: Budi Raharjo budi_wang@ Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 08:32:03 To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [obrolan-bandar] DJIA for today Artinya masih bahaya pak? Best regards, Budi Raharjo www.kinggeneraltrading.blogspot.com From: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com [mailto:obrolan- ban...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of tirta858 Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2009 8:24 AM To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: [obrolan-bandar] DJIA for today Hitting resistance, they didn't let it go over the line. http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/4784/djiaca1.gif + + + + + + + Mohon saat meREPLY posting, text dari posting lama dihapus kecuali diperlukan agar CONTEXTnya jelas. + + + + + + +Yahoo! Groups Links http://groups.yahoo.com/group/obrolan-bandar/ Individual Email | Traditional http://groups.yahoo.com/group/obrolan-bandar/join (Yahoo! ID required) mailto:obrolan-bandar-dig...@yahoogroups.com mailto:obrolan-bandar-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com obrolan-bandar-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.237 / Virus Database: 270.11.0/1959 - Release Date: 02/19/09 18:45:00
[obrolan-bandar] Re: DJIA for today
Still heading lower! http://img100.imageshack.us/img100/5749/djia.gif --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, yuliawati_ta...@... wrote: Pak JT, Support dow di 7200 ? If itu jebol bisa benjol2 ya pak? Yulia Sent from my BlackBerry® powered by Sinyal Kuat INDOSAT -Original Message- From: JT jsxtra...@... Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2009 00:31:46 To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [obrolan-bandar] Re: DJIA for today At 00.28, Saya liat volume expand dengan cepat, biasanya jam segini masih kecil.., mudah-mudahan volume blow off dan candle membentuk hammer.., the party will begin 30 minutes before closing bell.. JT -Original Message- From: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com [mailto:obrolan- ban...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of tirta858 Sent: 21 Februari 2009 0:16 To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: [obrolan-bandar] Re: DJIA for today Still heading lower. Multiple support failure. No sign of positive divergence from MACD and RSI, BUT the 10 years chart showing a little different. Supports are at even number. Watch out around 3:00 pm EST that's when the action start. http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/8339/djiacr8.gif Bear case scenario : http://img153.imageshack.us/img153/2810/djia2cq0.gif --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, tirta858 tirta858@ wrote: DJIA Thrusday closing http://img410.imageshack.us/img410/7795/djia3jz5.gif Probable breaking of the rectangle. --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, tirta858 tirta858@ wrote: Just scrutinized DJIA further after 2 days ago gap down, and its a pretty disturbing finding. Another bearish scenario just to get us prepared. http://img153.imageshack.us/img153/2810/djia2cq0.gif --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, tirta858 tirta858@ wrote: Resistance resistance DJIA 19 FEB 10:30 WIB http://img153.imageshack.us/img153/4070/djiacs2.gif --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, shiro_rex@ wrote: Kalo ngikuti chart, double bottom, jadi hari ini kemungkinan bisa naik dulu, tp tidak menutup kemungkinan untuk kembali turun ke bottom ketiga or lanjut reversal ke resistance berikutnya. Disclaimer, Regards, Teguh Riswono Sent from my BlackBerryR powered by Sinyal Kuat INDOSAT -Original Message- From: Budi Raharjo budi_wang@ Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 08:32:03 To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [obrolan-bandar] DJIA for today Artinya masih bahaya pak? Best regards, Budi Raharjo www.kinggeneraltrading.blogspot.com From: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com [mailto:obrolan- ban...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of tirta858 Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2009 8:24 AM To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: [obrolan-bandar] DJIA for today Hitting resistance, they didn't let it go over the line. http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/4784/djiaca1.gif + + + + + + + Mohon saat meREPLY posting, text dari posting lama dihapus kecuali diperlukan agar CONTEXTnya jelas. + + + + + + +Yahoo! Groups Links http://groups.yahoo.com/group/obrolan-bandar/ Individual Email | Traditional http://groups.yahoo.com/group/obrolan-bandar/join (Yahoo! ID required) mailto:obrolan-bandar-dig...@yahoogroups.com mailto:obrolan-bandar-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com obrolan-bandar-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.237 / Virus Database: 270.11.0/1959 - Release Date: 02/19/09 18:45:00
[obrolan-bandar] Re: NOW IDX 1298. Next??
JSX 1266 sounds good to me :P --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, JT jsxtra...@... wrote: Good., ntar kalau lari baru sibuk cari entry level hehehe JT From: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com [mailto:obrolan- ban...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Kevin Hogan Sent: 20 Februari 2009 15:37 To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [obrolan-bandar] NOW IDX 1298. Next?? JUAL...JUALLL..KABUR 2009/2/20 Iwan Heryanto iwan...@... As per 15:31 malah udah 1296 *cemas* Iwan Thomas Frederick wrote: *Thank You! * ** *ThomaS FredericK* No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.237 / Virus Database: 270.11.0/1959 - Release Date: 02/19/09 18:45:00
[obrolan-bandar] Re: DJIA for today
Still heading lower. Multiple support failure. No sign of positive divergence from MACD and RSI, BUT the 10 years chart showing a little different. Supports are at even number. Watch out around 3:00 pm EST that's when the action start. http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/8339/djiacr8.gif Bear case scenario : http://img153.imageshack.us/img153/2810/djia2cq0.gif --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, tirta858 tirta...@... wrote: DJIA Thrusday closing http://img410.imageshack.us/img410/7795/djia3jz5.gif Probable breaking of the rectangle. --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, tirta858 tirta858@ wrote: Just scrutinized DJIA further after 2 days ago gap down, and its a pretty disturbing finding. Another bearish scenario just to get us prepared. http://img153.imageshack.us/img153/2810/djia2cq0.gif --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, tirta858 tirta858@ wrote: Resistance resistance DJIA 19 FEB 10:30 WIB http://img153.imageshack.us/img153/4070/djiacs2.gif --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, shiro_rex@ wrote: Kalo ngikuti chart, double bottom, jadi hari ini kemungkinan bisa naik dulu, tp tidak menutup kemungkinan untuk kembali turun ke bottom ketiga or lanjut reversal ke resistance berikutnya. Disclaimer, Regards, Teguh Riswono Sent from my BlackBerry® powered by Sinyal Kuat INDOSAT -Original Message- From: Budi Raharjo budi_wang@ Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 08:32:03 To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [obrolan-bandar] DJIA for today Artinya masih bahaya pak? Best regards, Budi Raharjo www.kinggeneraltrading.blogspot.com From: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com [mailto:obrolan- ban...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of tirta858 Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2009 8:24 AM To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: [obrolan-bandar] DJIA for today Hitting resistance, they didn't let it go over the line. http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/4784/djiaca1.gif
[obrolan-bandar] Re: CItigroup
Pemerintah suntik dana, jadi BUMN, tapi bukan berarti sahamnya gak bisa naek lagi, bisa aja naek lagi tapi butuh waktu, tunggu sampe duit yang diturunin pemerintah balik dan start making a profit ada kemungkinan sahamnya naek cuma gak dalam waktu dekat soalnya Bank bank rusak berat di CDO, cuma Citi belom realiaze lostnya jadi masi di tahan posisinya dan kita tau kalau economic recover dalam 2 taon, posisinya bisa jadi duit lagi plus segala cost cutting etc sedang dalam proses(cut dividen, pecat org dll). Nasionalisasi harusnya dilakukan kalau sudah dilakukan orang gak terlalu takut lagi terhadap financial service dan ini akan remove the hang over. Check aja saham saham GE, MSFT dll turunnya mayan cuma gak parah parah koq yang parah financial aja. --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Vaulstrad vaulst...@... wrote: --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Vaulstrad vaulstrad@ wrote: Gila yah.. Citigroup tinggal 2 dollar.. emang bener katanya bisa di bawah 1 dollar apa yah efek dari nasionalisasi?? ga bisa jual saham nya lagi?
[obrolan-bandar] Re: DJIA for today
Problemnya DJIA susah bangkit kalo gak ada super capitulation, DJIA terjengkang dengan super volume biasanya 2 hari best kalo hari keduanya lownya roughly equal to low hari ke 1, orang orang nungguin itu last november cuma gak kejadian. Kalo kejadian hari ini dan besok sih asik juga, bisa relieve DJIA hang over :P --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, JT jsxtra...@... wrote: At 00.28, Saya liat volume expand dengan cepat, biasanya jam segini masih kecil.., mudah-mudahan volume blow off dan candle membentuk hammer.., the party will begin 30 minutes before closing bell.. JT -Original Message- From: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com [mailto:obrolan- ban...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of tirta858 Sent: 21 Februari 2009 0:16 To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: [obrolan-bandar] Re: DJIA for today Still heading lower. Multiple support failure. No sign of positive divergence from MACD and RSI, BUT the 10 years chart showing a little different. Supports are at even number. Watch out around 3:00 pm EST that's when the action start. http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/8339/djiacr8.gif Bear case scenario : http://img153.imageshack.us/img153/2810/djia2cq0.gif --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, tirta858 tirta858@ wrote: DJIA Thrusday closing http://img410.imageshack.us/img410/7795/djia3jz5.gif Probable breaking of the rectangle. --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, tirta858 tirta858@ wrote: Just scrutinized DJIA further after 2 days ago gap down, and its a pretty disturbing finding. Another bearish scenario just to get us prepared. http://img153.imageshack.us/img153/2810/djia2cq0.gif --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, tirta858 tirta858@ wrote: Resistance resistance DJIA 19 FEB 10:30 WIB http://img153.imageshack.us/img153/4070/djiacs2.gif --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, shiro_rex@ wrote: Kalo ngikuti chart, double bottom, jadi hari ini kemungkinan bisa naik dulu, tp tidak menutup kemungkinan untuk kembali turun ke bottom ketiga or lanjut reversal ke resistance berikutnya. Disclaimer, Regards, Teguh Riswono Sent from my BlackBerryR powered by Sinyal Kuat INDOSAT -Original Message- From: Budi Raharjo budi_wang@ Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 08:32:03 To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [obrolan-bandar] DJIA for today Artinya masih bahaya pak? Best regards, Budi Raharjo www.kinggeneraltrading.blogspot.com From: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com [mailto:obrolan- ban...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of tirta858 Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2009 8:24 AM To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: [obrolan-bandar] DJIA for today Hitting resistance, they didn't let it go over the line. http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/4784/djiaca1.gif + + + + + + + Mohon saat meREPLY posting, text dari posting lama dihapus kecuali diperlukan agar CONTEXTnya jelas. + + + + + + +Yahoo! Groups Links http://groups.yahoo.com/group/obrolan-bandar/ Individual Email | Traditional http://groups.yahoo.com/group/obrolan-bandar/join (Yahoo! ID required) mailto:obrolan-bandar-dig...@yahoogroups.com mailto:obrolan-bandar-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com obrolan-bandar-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.237 / Virus Database: 270.11.0/1959 - Release Date: 02/19/09 18:45:00
[obrolan-bandar] Re: DJIA for today
Resistance resistance DJIA 19 FEB 10:30 WIB http://img153.imageshack.us/img153/4070/djiacs2.gif --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, shiro_...@... wrote: Kalo ngikuti chart, double bottom, jadi hari ini kemungkinan bisa naik dulu, tp tidak menutup kemungkinan untuk kembali turun ke bottom ketiga or lanjut reversal ke resistance berikutnya. Disclaimer, Regards, Teguh Riswono Sent from my BlackBerry® powered by Sinyal Kuat INDOSAT -Original Message- From: Budi Raharjo budi_w...@... Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 08:32:03 To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [obrolan-bandar] DJIA for today Artinya masih bahaya pak? Best regards, Budi Raharjo www.kinggeneraltrading.blogspot.com From: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com [mailto:obrolan- ban...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of tirta858 Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2009 8:24 AM To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: [obrolan-bandar] DJIA for today Hitting resistance, they didn't let it go over the line. http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/4784/djiaca1.gif
[obrolan-bandar] Re: DJIA for today
Just scrutinized DJIA further after 2 days ago gap down, and its a pretty disturbing finding. Another bearish scenario just to get us prepared. http://img153.imageshack.us/img153/2810/djia2cq0.gif --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, tirta858 tirta...@... wrote: Resistance resistance DJIA 19 FEB 10:30 WIB http://img153.imageshack.us/img153/4070/djiacs2.gif --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, shiro_rex@ wrote: Kalo ngikuti chart, double bottom, jadi hari ini kemungkinan bisa naik dulu, tp tidak menutup kemungkinan untuk kembali turun ke bottom ketiga or lanjut reversal ke resistance berikutnya. Disclaimer, Regards, Teguh Riswono Sent from my BlackBerry® powered by Sinyal Kuat INDOSAT -Original Message- From: Budi Raharjo budi_wang@ Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 08:32:03 To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [obrolan-bandar] DJIA for today Artinya masih bahaya pak? Best regards, Budi Raharjo www.kinggeneraltrading.blogspot.com From: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com [mailto:obrolan- ban...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of tirta858 Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2009 8:24 AM To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: [obrolan-bandar] DJIA for today Hitting resistance, they didn't let it go over the line. http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/4784/djiaca1.gif
[obrolan-bandar] Re: DJIA for today
DJIA Thrusday closing http://img410.imageshack.us/img410/7795/djia3jz5.gif Probable breaking of the rectangle. --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, tirta858 tirta...@... wrote: Just scrutinized DJIA further after 2 days ago gap down, and its a pretty disturbing finding. Another bearish scenario just to get us prepared. http://img153.imageshack.us/img153/2810/djia2cq0.gif --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, tirta858 tirta858@ wrote: Resistance resistance DJIA 19 FEB 10:30 WIB http://img153.imageshack.us/img153/4070/djiacs2.gif --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, shiro_rex@ wrote: Kalo ngikuti chart, double bottom, jadi hari ini kemungkinan bisa naik dulu, tp tidak menutup kemungkinan untuk kembali turun ke bottom ketiga or lanjut reversal ke resistance berikutnya. Disclaimer, Regards, Teguh Riswono Sent from my BlackBerry® powered by Sinyal Kuat INDOSAT -Original Message- From: Budi Raharjo budi_wang@ Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 08:32:03 To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [obrolan-bandar] DJIA for today Artinya masih bahaya pak? Best regards, Budi Raharjo www.kinggeneraltrading.blogspot.com From: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com [mailto:obrolan- ban...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of tirta858 Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2009 8:24 AM To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: [obrolan-bandar] DJIA for today Hitting resistance, they didn't let it go over the line. http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/4784/djiaca1.gif
[obrolan-bandar] DJIA for today
Hitting resistance, they didn't let it go over the line. http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/4784/djiaca1.gif
[obrolan-bandar] Re: DJIA for today
Tergantung, makin lama DJIA berada dibawah garis semakin bearish dan mostly likely hit 7400. Kalo dia bisa loncat lewati resistance ya lumayan bagus. --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Budi Raharjo budi_w...@... wrote: Artinya masih bahaya pak? Best regards, Budi Raharjo www.kinggeneraltrading.blogspot.com From: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com [mailto:obrolan- ban...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of tirta858 Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2009 8:24 AM To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: [obrolan-bandar] DJIA for today Hitting resistance, they didn't let it go over the line. http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/4784/djiaca1.gif
[obrolan-bandar] DJIA for today
Still heading lower??? http://img527.imageshack.us/img527/9338/djiadp6.gif Silver lining could be that DJIA making falling wedge. here is the definition of falling wedge : http://stockcharts.com/school/doku.php? id=chart_school:chart_analysis:chart_patterns:falling_wedge_revers
[obrolan-bandar] Re: DJIA for today
Another beautiful play by our comrades at NYSE, take a look yourself :) http://img413.imageshack.us/img413/6858/djia940nu7.gif now bounce bounce --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, tirta858 tirta...@... wrote: Still heading lower??? http://img527.imageshack.us/img527/9338/djiadp6.gif Silver lining could be that DJIA making falling wedge. here is the definition of falling wedge : http://stockcharts.com/school/doku.php? id=chart_school:chart_analysis:chart_patterns:falling_wedge_revers
[obrolan-bandar] DJIA 12Feb Opening
http://img100.imageshack.us/img100/678/djia12febtu6.gif Still heading lower
[obrolan-bandar] Re: DJIA 12Feb Opening
Beautifully executed. People over dow jones really know how to play their games. http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/4582/djiatb9.gif --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, tirta858 tirta...@... wrote: http://img100.imageshack.us/img100/678/djia12febtu6.gif Still heading lower
[obrolan-bandar] Re: DJIA 12Feb Closing
Beautifully executed. People over dow jones know how to play their games. Here is the proof. http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/4582/djiatb9.gif --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, tirta858 tirta...@... wrote: http://img100.imageshack.us/img100/678/djia12febtu6.gif Still heading lower
[obrolan-bandar] For chart lovers. DJIA 5 FEB
DJIA looking lower http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/8858/djia5janym7.gif
[obrolan-bandar] Re: For chart lovers. DJIA 5 FEB
Iya embah emang pusing kalo di ikutin terus, mending biarin IHSG n DJIA jalan jalan sendiri aja deh :) --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, jsx_consultant jsx- consult...@... wrote: Embah puyeng kalo liat grafik DJIA... Sebaliknya kalo liat Capital Flow, seminggu ini NETRAL, artinya Investor yg keluar = Investor yg masuk, artinya BD dengan mudah bisa MENGANGKAT IHSG. Tapi karena DJIA ini terpaksa embah potong Kerbau... Mudah mudahan BUMI bisa jadi GANTINYA karena BUMI bergerak berlawanan arah dengan IHSG... --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, tirta858 tirta858@ wrote: DJIA looking lower http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/8858/djia5janym7.gif
[obrolan-bandar] DJIA 28jan
11:25 ETA http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/5084/djia28janig9.gif Need a stronger close today to break off the trendline resistance and 20 EMA. Once free DJIA heading right to 50 EMA. RSI centerline and MACD cross over could also be helpfull.
[obrolan-bandar] Re: DJIA 28jan
16:00 EST We did have stronger close(compare volume 11:25 vs 16:00), RSI and MACD showed it too. http://img136.imageshack.us/img136/1404/djia28jancn8.gif --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, tirta858 tirta...@... wrote: 11:25 ETA http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/5084/djia28janig9.gif Need a stronger close today to break off the trendline resistance and 20 EMA. Once free DJIA heading right to 50 EMA. RSI centerline and MACD cross over could also be helpfull.
[obrolan-bandar] DJIA 27jan for chart lovers
http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/1452/djia27janow6.gif break that or trailing down.
[obrolan-bandar] Re: DJIA16jan for chart lovers. Earthlink resistance is futile.
Update: http://img133.imageshack.us/img133/7214/djiaupdatesa3.gif Sweeett DJIA just hit the righttt spottt, as predicted down with expanding volume, damage was contained as DJIA climb back to positive teritory. Start collecting people, we might have a bounce. --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, tirta858 tirta...@... wrote: Forgot the link http://img67.imageshack.us/img67/7375/djia15janom0.gif --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, tirta858 tirta858@ wrote: DJIA drop with accelerating volume, if tonite DJIA drops to around 8000 level especially with huge and bigger volume than yesterday it could be a buy signal since DJIA already shed around 10% in 6 days.
[obrolan-bandar] Ilmu saham TERTINGGI dibursa....Re: Iseng2x kalkulasi BUMI pakai simple DCF -
Detail coming out, northstar convert to BNBR or BUMI. Ada yang bisa confirm --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, tirta858 tirta...@... wrote: DEBT EQUITY SWAP in EFFECTT --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, tirta858 tirta858@ wrote: Rumour has it BUMI debt for equity swap will dilute the share significantly. --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, JsxTrader jsxtrader@ wrote: Untuk very short term trading, Average down bisa dilakukan dengan success rate cukup tinggi asal dilakukan dengan syarat-syarat teknis tertentu.., contoh pgas.., sebelum digebuk sampai AR 2 kali (yg terakhir) saya masuk di 2025, alasannya wkt itu, karena itu adalah level support, ternyata digebukin abis2an sehingga saya ngga sempet exit.., melihat volume dan detail transaksi, saya wkt itu optimis dan mengamati dengan seksama clue pembalikan arah..., saat hari ketiga gap down dan harga mulai berbalik arah, saya segera jump in di 1750'an (lupa tepatnya brp)..., dan Alhamdulilah berhasil keluar dengan selamat di 2100. Ave down yg sebaiknya tidak dilakukan adalah saat harga terus- terusan bikin higher low dan lower low tampa ada perlawanan sama sekali. Jadi menurut saya meskipun tidak disarankan oleh para pakar trading, tapi kalau kondisi mendukung, ave down masih ok dilakukan..., buat saya (mungkin tdk buat orang lain) key-nya adalah position size.., saat initial entry saya sdh siapkan dana untuk ave down jika harga digebuk, dan ave up jika harga lari. Rgrds, JT -Original Message- From: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com [mailto:obrolan- ban...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of jsx_consultant Sent: 11 Januari 2009 12:47 To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: [obrolan-bandar] Ilmu saham TERTINGGI dibursaRe: Iseng2x kalkulasi BUMI pakai simple DCF - Secara itungan STATISTIK/PROBABILITAS: - Melakukan AVERAGE DOWN secara ilmiah adalah BENAR. - Melakukan BUY sesudah saham turun berturut turut beberapa hari adalah BENAR. - Melakukan BUY sesudah saham turun banyak adalah BENAR. Inikan TAKTIK pak SB, sang legendaris prof Ho kie... LALU YG SALAH seperti dibilang pak Dizz dan pak DE dimana ?. Coba kita bahas ini, karena embah merasa: Ada yg belum nangkep ?. Pak Dizz, mau jadi yg pertama bantu jelasin ?. --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, y_dizz y_dizz@ wrote: In my opinion sih, dalam semua game, pertandingan, balapan, bisnis, dsb KALAH itu WAJIB. Seseorang tidak layak disebut WINNER kalo belum pernah merasakan sakitnya kalah. Yang membedakan WINNER LOSSER itu bukan seberapa banyak dia menang, atau seberapa banyak cuannya tapi pada akhirnya apakah dia bisa SURVIVE atau tidak. Menang 20x berturut2 tidak ada artinya kalo pada game yang ke-21 akhirnya semuanya ludes, itu tandanya dia OUT OF THE GAME. Yang penting kita harus selalu sadar diri. Kalo kalah kita terima kekalahan dan nggak usah cari pembenaran (misalnya dengan menambah jumlah taruhan atau average down). Kita mulai lagi dari awal. Kalo menang pun nggak usah lupa diri. Sebab, MENANG itu berkat Tuhan, kalo KALAH pasti salah kita sendiri. --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, wintama winarto.rudy@ wrote: Saya setuju dengan trading style pak Dean kalau mau masuk dalam group trader yg 5% itu (ga tahu berapa persen yg konsisten profit). Dan pasti juga ada style lainnya yg profit yang disesuaikan dg caranya masing masing. Tapi dg gambler yg menang di casino consistently, saya sangat yakin TIDAK ADA, biarpun pakai methode, sistem dan modal berapapun (modal akan mentok di limit yg ditentukan di casino). Bisa jadi selama setahun dg modal dan sistem yg konsisten dia menang terus, tapi bisa jadi, di tahun ke 11 semuanya akan habis (profit dan modal). Atau yg lebih canggih lagi? 20 tahun menang terus, di thn ke 21 habis juga semuanya. Hal ini sdh dibuktikan dg program yg dulu saya tulis untuk permainan Roulette dengan historical data dari casino di Eropa. Hasil dari bikin program itu: TIDAK AKAN BISA MENANG DI CASINO...!, di Casino hanya murni gambling... taroh uang, menang atau kalah tergantung keberuntungan masing masing. Jadi dg kenyataan ini, siapa yg ngotot mau menang di casino PASTI malah akan BANGKRUT. + + + + + + + Mohon saat meREPLY posting, text dari posting lama dihapus kecuali diperlukan agar CONTEXTnya jelas. + + + + + + +Yahoo! Groups Links No virus found in this incoming message
[obrolan-bandar] DJIA15jan for chart lovers. Earthlink resistance is futile.
DJIA drop with accelerating volume, if tonite DJIA drops to around 8000 level especially with huge and bigger volume than yesterday it could be a buy signal since DJIA already shed around 10% in 6 days.
[obrolan-bandar] Re: DJIA15jan for chart lovers. Earthlink resistance is futile.
Forgot the link http://img67.imageshack.us/img67/7375/djia15janom0.gif --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, tirta858 tirta...@... wrote: DJIA drop with accelerating volume, if tonite DJIA drops to around 8000 level especially with huge and bigger volume than yesterday it could be a buy signal since DJIA already shed around 10% in 6 days.
[obrolan-bandar] DJIA 14jan for chart lovers
http://img60.imageshack.us/img60/9931/djiavu7.gif
[obrolan-bandar] DJIA 14jan for chart lovers
http://img60.imageshack.us/img60/9931/djiavu7.gif
[obrolan-bandar] Ilmu saham TERTINGGI dibursa....Re: Iseng2x kalkulasi BUMI pakai simple DCF -
DEBT EQUITY SWAP in EFFECTT --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, tirta858 tirta...@... wrote: Rumour has it BUMI debt for equity swap will dilute the share significantly. --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, JsxTrader jsxtrader@ wrote: Untuk very short term trading, Average down bisa dilakukan dengan success rate cukup tinggi asal dilakukan dengan syarat-syarat teknis tertentu.., contoh pgas.., sebelum digebuk sampai AR 2 kali (yg terakhir) saya masuk di 2025, alasannya wkt itu, karena itu adalah level support, ternyata digebukin abis2an sehingga saya ngga sempet exit.., melihat volume dan detail transaksi, saya wkt itu optimis dan mengamati dengan seksama clue pembalikan arah..., saat hari ketiga gap down dan harga mulai berbalik arah, saya segera jump in di 1750'an (lupa tepatnya brp)..., dan Alhamdulilah berhasil keluar dengan selamat di 2100. Ave down yg sebaiknya tidak dilakukan adalah saat harga terus- terusan bikin higher low dan lower low tampa ada perlawanan sama sekali. Jadi menurut saya meskipun tidak disarankan oleh para pakar trading, tapi kalau kondisi mendukung, ave down masih ok dilakukan..., buat saya (mungkin tdk buat orang lain) key-nya adalah position size.., saat initial entry saya sdh siapkan dana untuk ave down jika harga digebuk, dan ave up jika harga lari. Rgrds, JT -Original Message- From: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com [mailto:obrolan- ban...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of jsx_consultant Sent: 11 Januari 2009 12:47 To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: [obrolan-bandar] Ilmu saham TERTINGGI dibursaRe: Iseng2x kalkulasi BUMI pakai simple DCF - Secara itungan STATISTIK/PROBABILITAS: - Melakukan AVERAGE DOWN secara ilmiah adalah BENAR. - Melakukan BUY sesudah saham turun berturut turut beberapa hari adalah BENAR. - Melakukan BUY sesudah saham turun banyak adalah BENAR. Inikan TAKTIK pak SB, sang legendaris prof Ho kie... LALU YG SALAH seperti dibilang pak Dizz dan pak DE dimana ?. Coba kita bahas ini, karena embah merasa: Ada yg belum nangkep ?. Pak Dizz, mau jadi yg pertama bantu jelasin ?. --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, y_dizz y_dizz@ wrote: In my opinion sih, dalam semua game, pertandingan, balapan, bisnis, dsb KALAH itu WAJIB. Seseorang tidak layak disebut WINNER kalo belum pernah merasakan sakitnya kalah. Yang membedakan WINNER LOSSER itu bukan seberapa banyak dia menang, atau seberapa banyak cuannya tapi pada akhirnya apakah dia bisa SURVIVE atau tidak. Menang 20x berturut2 tidak ada artinya kalo pada game yang ke-21 akhirnya semuanya ludes, itu tandanya dia OUT OF THE GAME. Yang penting kita harus selalu sadar diri. Kalo kalah kita terima kekalahan dan nggak usah cari pembenaran (misalnya dengan menambah jumlah taruhan atau average down). Kita mulai lagi dari awal. Kalo menang pun nggak usah lupa diri. Sebab, MENANG itu berkat Tuhan, kalo KALAH pasti salah kita sendiri. --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, wintama winarto.rudy@ wrote: Saya setuju dengan trading style pak Dean kalau mau masuk dalam group trader yg 5% itu (ga tahu berapa persen yg konsisten profit). Dan pasti juga ada style lainnya yg profit yang disesuaikan dg caranya masing masing. Tapi dg gambler yg menang di casino consistently, saya sangat yakin TIDAK ADA, biarpun pakai methode, sistem dan modal berapapun (modal akan mentok di limit yg ditentukan di casino). Bisa jadi selama setahun dg modal dan sistem yg konsisten dia menang terus, tapi bisa jadi, di tahun ke 11 semuanya akan habis (profit dan modal). Atau yg lebih canggih lagi? 20 tahun menang terus, di thn ke 21 habis juga semuanya. Hal ini sdh dibuktikan dg program yg dulu saya tulis untuk permainan Roulette dengan historical data dari casino di Eropa. Hasil dari bikin program itu: TIDAK AKAN BISA MENANG DI CASINO...!, di Casino hanya murni gambling... taroh uang, menang atau kalah tergantung keberuntungan masing masing. Jadi dg kenyataan ini, siapa yg ngotot mau menang di casino PASTI malah akan BANGKRUT. + + + + + + + Mohon saat meREPLY posting, text dari posting lama dihapus kecuali diperlukan agar CONTEXTnya jelas. + + + + + + +Yahoo! Groups Links No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.10.5/1886 - Release Date: 1/10/2009 6:01 PM
[obrolan-bandar] Ilmu saham TERTINGGI dibursa....Re: Iseng2x kalkulasi BUMI pakai simple DCF -
Rumour has it BUMI debt for equity swap will dilute the share significantly. --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, JsxTrader jsxtra...@... wrote: Untuk very short term trading, Average down bisa dilakukan dengan success rate cukup tinggi asal dilakukan dengan syarat-syarat teknis tertentu.., contoh pgas.., sebelum digebuk sampai AR 2 kali (yg terakhir) saya masuk di 2025, alasannya wkt itu, karena itu adalah level support, ternyata digebukin abis2an sehingga saya ngga sempet exit.., melihat volume dan detail transaksi, saya wkt itu optimis dan mengamati dengan seksama clue pembalikan arah..., saat hari ketiga gap down dan harga mulai berbalik arah, saya segera jump in di 1750'an (lupa tepatnya brp)..., dan Alhamdulilah berhasil keluar dengan selamat di 2100. Ave down yg sebaiknya tidak dilakukan adalah saat harga terus- terusan bikin higher low dan lower low tampa ada perlawanan sama sekali. Jadi menurut saya meskipun tidak disarankan oleh para pakar trading, tapi kalau kondisi mendukung, ave down masih ok dilakukan..., buat saya (mungkin tdk buat orang lain) key-nya adalah position size.., saat initial entry saya sdh siapkan dana untuk ave down jika harga digebuk, dan ave up jika harga lari. Rgrds, JT -Original Message- From: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com [mailto:obrolan- ban...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of jsx_consultant Sent: 11 Januari 2009 12:47 To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: [obrolan-bandar] Ilmu saham TERTINGGI dibursaRe: Iseng2x kalkulasi BUMI pakai simple DCF - Secara itungan STATISTIK/PROBABILITAS: - Melakukan AVERAGE DOWN secara ilmiah adalah BENAR. - Melakukan BUY sesudah saham turun berturut turut beberapa hari adalah BENAR. - Melakukan BUY sesudah saham turun banyak adalah BENAR. Inikan TAKTIK pak SB, sang legendaris prof Ho kie... LALU YG SALAH seperti dibilang pak Dizz dan pak DE dimana ?. Coba kita bahas ini, karena embah merasa: Ada yg belum nangkep ?. Pak Dizz, mau jadi yg pertama bantu jelasin ?. --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, y_dizz y_dizz@ wrote: In my opinion sih, dalam semua game, pertandingan, balapan, bisnis, dsb KALAH itu WAJIB. Seseorang tidak layak disebut WINNER kalo belum pernah merasakan sakitnya kalah. Yang membedakan WINNER LOSSER itu bukan seberapa banyak dia menang, atau seberapa banyak cuannya tapi pada akhirnya apakah dia bisa SURVIVE atau tidak. Menang 20x berturut2 tidak ada artinya kalo pada game yang ke-21 akhirnya semuanya ludes, itu tandanya dia OUT OF THE GAME. Yang penting kita harus selalu sadar diri. Kalo kalah kita terima kekalahan dan nggak usah cari pembenaran (misalnya dengan menambah jumlah taruhan atau average down). Kita mulai lagi dari awal. Kalo menang pun nggak usah lupa diri. Sebab, MENANG itu berkat Tuhan, kalo KALAH pasti salah kita sendiri. --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, wintama winarto.rudy@ wrote: Saya setuju dengan trading style pak Dean kalau mau masuk dalam group trader yg 5% itu (ga tahu berapa persen yg konsisten profit). Dan pasti juga ada style lainnya yg profit yang disesuaikan dg caranya masing masing. Tapi dg gambler yg menang di casino consistently, saya sangat yakin TIDAK ADA, biarpun pakai methode, sistem dan modal berapapun (modal akan mentok di limit yg ditentukan di casino). Bisa jadi selama setahun dg modal dan sistem yg konsisten dia menang terus, tapi bisa jadi, di tahun ke 11 semuanya akan habis (profit dan modal). Atau yg lebih canggih lagi? 20 tahun menang terus, di thn ke 21 habis juga semuanya. Hal ini sdh dibuktikan dg program yg dulu saya tulis untuk permainan Roulette dengan historical data dari casino di Eropa. Hasil dari bikin program itu: TIDAK AKAN BISA MENANG DI CASINO...!, di Casino hanya murni gambling... taroh uang, menang atau kalah tergantung keberuntungan masing masing. Jadi dg kenyataan ini, siapa yg ngotot mau menang di casino PASTI malah akan BANGKRUT. + + + + + + + Mohon saat meREPLY posting, text dari posting lama dihapus kecuali diperlukan agar CONTEXTnya jelas. + + + + + + +Yahoo! Groups Links No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.10.5/1886 - Release Date: 1/10/2009 6:01 PM
[obrolan-bandar] Re: Iseng2x kalkulasi BUMI pakai simple DCF
Just out today 8 jan 09 downgrade by Macquarie PT to Rp 500 and JP Morgan downgrade 6 jan 09 TP to 620. --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, tirta858 tirta...@... wrote: GS BUMI research 1 dec 08 http://www.mediafire.com/? sharekey=3f16d386c635ce9a91b20cc0d07ba4d2e376198bdd471662 --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, tirta858 tirta858@ wrote: CLSA 26nov research report http://www.mediafire.com/? sharekey=3f16d386c635ce9ad2db6fb9a8902bda --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, tirta858 tirta858@ wrote: Barusan saja saya kalkulasi BUMI using simple DCF calculation. Datanya saya ambil dari http://www.reuters.com/finance/stocks/incomeStatement? stmtType=INCperType=ANNsymbol=BUMI.JK Saya pakai angka yang agak conservative saja. Net income saya ambil dari permulaan tahun 2004(first positive earning) lalu net income growth saya pakai tahun 2004 dan 2005 yaitu 12.2%(pre comodity euphoria). FV net income(2008) = 1.122^4 x 108.8 = $172.42mil (sangat conservative compare to actual 2007 $789mil) Assumptionnya : Exchange rate = Rp 10,000 Net income 2008 = $172.42 mil 1-5 year growth = 12.2% Terminal = 3% Shares out = 19,404 mil WACC = 17% Plug in the numbers: IV = Rp 922 IV with 40% margin of safety = Rp 553 Comments are welcome :)
[obrolan-bandar] Re: Menyentuh Upper Extreme 1462
PLizz plizz pli everyone :P --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Elaine Sui elainesu...@... wrote: *Dum dum dee dum dumm... yeeah [?] Elaine** * 2009/1/7 Wachjudi, Ferry ferry.wachj...@... Property?? *From:* obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com [mailto: obrolan-ban...@yahoogroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Elaine Sui *Sent:* Wednesday, January 07, 2009 8:59 AM *To:* obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com *Subject:* Re: [obrolan-bandar] Re: Menyentuh Upper Extreme 1462 *Embah dari kemarin saja ajak sell terus... harus di jewer..!! semua techies kasih chart with lines, waves n stuff, warnings, etc, kata nya mau lihat IDX 3000? Elaine mau tanya sekali saja lagi, is it confirmed bullish or not? masa tidak berani jawab? come on.. Anyway, another grossly undervalued sector: housing. Dare to enter? I expect (obviously) the global market shows some optimism today as investors are hoping that economy will recover in this very year. But again it's up to you guys. Elaine* 2009/1/6 jsx_consultant jsx-consult...@... --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Smart Investor isx_trader@ wrote: kalo mbah menggunakan TA klasik, maka saya pake TA modern. hasilnya sih sama. Engga MASALAH pake TA klasik atau modern, YANG PENTING harus diingat: - Indikator YG TERBAIK adalah GRAFIK HARGA ITU SENDIRI !!! Kalo anda menilai seorang wanita cantik atau tidak, LIAT LANGSUNG saja orangnya... http://picasaweb.google.com/isxstocktrader/Rekomen6Jan09#5288033556764 530466 From: anru dadaq anru.sing@ To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, January 6, 2009 11:04:10 AM Subject: Re: [obrolan-bandar] Re: Menyentuh Upper Extreme 1462 ok mbah... sdh out... ditunggu perintah selanjutnya. .. 2009/1/6 jsx_consultant jsx-consultant@ centrin.net. id --- In obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. com, jsx_consultant jsx- consultant@ .. wrote: Menyentuh Upper Extreme 1462 http://www.obrolanb andar.com/ piwsanta. htm Turun ke 1452. Perhatikan bila terbentuk FRACTAL V TERBALIK YG RUNCING. Jika tidak RUNCING, masih aman + + + + + + + Mohon saat meREPLY posting, text dari posting lama dihapus kecuali diperlukan agar CONTEXTnya jelas. + + + + + + +Yahoo! Groups Links
[obrolan-bandar] Re: Iseng2x kalkulasi BUMI pakai simple DCF
BUMI approaching greatness = Buntung Untung Makan Indomie --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, tirta858 tirta...@... wrote: GS BUMI research 1 dec 08 http://www.mediafire.com/? sharekey=3f16d386c635ce9a91b20cc0d07ba4d2e376198bdd471662 --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, tirta858 tirta858@ wrote: CLSA 26nov research report http://www.mediafire.com/? sharekey=3f16d386c635ce9ad2db6fb9a8902bda --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, tirta858 tirta858@ wrote: Barusan saja saya kalkulasi BUMI using simple DCF calculation. Datanya saya ambil dari http://www.reuters.com/finance/stocks/incomeStatement? stmtType=INCperType=ANNsymbol=BUMI.JK Saya pakai angka yang agak conservative saja. Net income saya ambil dari permulaan tahun 2004(first positive earning) lalu net income growth saya pakai tahun 2004 dan 2005 yaitu 12.2%(pre comodity euphoria). FV net income(2008) = 1.122^4 x 108.8 = $172.42mil (sangat conservative compare to actual 2007 $789mil) Assumptionnya : Exchange rate = Rp 10,000 Net income 2008 = $172.42 mil 1-5 year growth = 12.2% Terminal = 3% Shares out = 19,404 mil WACC = 17% Plug in the numbers: IV = Rp 922 IV with 40% margin of safety = Rp 553 Comments are welcome :)
[obrolan-bandar] DJIA 9 jan
http://img71.imageshack.us/img71/9899/djia9janjq0.gif Still holding, let see, we should have a bounce tonite.
[obrolan-bandar] Re: Iseng2x kalkulasi BUMI pakai simple DCF
PDF dari Dana,JP,Macq silakan di cermati, enjoy http://www.mediafire.com/?sharekey=45598714bb145019d2db6fb9a8902bda --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, tirta858 tirta...@... wrote: Just out today 8 jan 09 downgrade by Macquarie PT to Rp 500 and JP Morgan downgrade 6 jan 09 TP to 620. --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, tirta858 tirta858@ wrote: GS BUMI research 1 dec 08 http://www.mediafire.com/? sharekey=3f16d386c635ce9a91b20cc0d07ba4d2e376198bdd471662 --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, tirta858 tirta858@ wrote: CLSA 26nov research report http://www.mediafire.com/? sharekey=3f16d386c635ce9ad2db6fb9a8902bda --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, tirta858 tirta858@ wrote: Barusan saja saya kalkulasi BUMI using simple DCF calculation. Datanya saya ambil dari http://www.reuters.com/finance/stocks/incomeStatement? stmtType=INCperType=ANNsymbol=BUMI.JK Saya pakai angka yang agak conservative saja. Net income saya ambil dari permulaan tahun 2004(first positive earning) lalu net income growth saya pakai tahun 2004 dan 2005 yaitu 12.2%(pre comodity euphoria). FV net income(2008) = 1.122^4 x 108.8 = $172.42mil (sangat conservative compare to actual 2007 $789mil) Assumptionnya : Exchange rate = Rp 10,000 Net income 2008 = $172.42 mil 1-5 year growth = 12.2% Terminal = 3% Shares out = 19,404 mil WACC = 17% Plug in the numbers: IV = Rp 922 IV with 40% margin of safety = Rp 553 Comments are welcome :)
[obrolan-bandar] Re: Trio Macan
Bep beep beepp beeepp INCO lon term resistance, BOW --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, rad10 ru54k tv.k...@... wrote: Trio Macan hari ini dangdutan lagi. Tp, INCO yang paling dahsyat. blom siang udah AR kanan. Ada info apa yahh dengan INCO? sm;)e From: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com [mailto:obrolan- ban...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of PositiveThinker84 Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2009 10:30 AM To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [obrolan-bandar] Beep beep sell signal 1470! chartnya mana pak? 2009/1/7 tirta858 tirta...@... careful here
[obrolan-bandar] Re: Trio Macan
Chopsticks on yesterday and today jsx chart. --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, tirta858 tirta...@... wrote: Bep beep beepp beeepp INCO lon term resistance, BOW --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, rad10 ru54k tv.kun0@ wrote: Trio Macan hari ini dangdutan lagi. Tp, INCO yang paling dahsyat. blom siang udah AR kanan. Ada info apa yahh dengan INCO? sm;)e From: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com [mailto:obrolan- ban...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of PositiveThinker84 Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2009 10:30 AM To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [obrolan-bandar] Beep beep sell signal 1470! chartnya mana pak? 2009/1/7 tirta858 tirta858@ careful here
[obrolan-bandar] Re: Beep beep sell signal 1470!
taking profitt. --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, tirta858 tirta...@... wrote: careful here
[obrolan-bandar] DJIA for chart lovers, will this hold???
Will trendline support and 20EMA holds, lets find out tonite. http://img210.imageshack.us/img210/5264/djia8jansf6.gif
[obrolan-bandar] Re: INDF
KZ yang beliin dari pagi ampe jam 2an total 100rban lot mulai jam 3 buang ampe net sell by 3.30 sadis --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Vincent Chase chase.vinc...@... wrote: juragan mie lagi mo bertahan gasss Ian Mahendra ian.mahen...@... wrote: Ha ha ha juragan mie suka grogi kalau disorakin. Mangkenye laen kali diem-diem saja :-) - From: Hutan Lebat hutanle...@... To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, 6 January 2009 3:14:40 Subject: Re: [obrolan-bandar] INDF buset dari 1110 ke 1000 lag capee dehh On 1/6/09, Steven Tan suts...@... wrote: tukang indomie akhirnya naik panggung juga. Ayo om BD, mentokin atas dong, jangan mau kalah sama UNTR kemarin. Traktor aja bisa dilempar sampai plafon, masa ngelempar indomie aja nggak bisa? he he he ... Becanda om. - Search. browse and book your hotels and flights through Yahoo! Travel
[obrolan-bandar] Beep beep sell signal 1470!
careful here
[obrolan-bandar] Re: Beep beep sell signal 1470!
Today advance doesn't advance significantly from yesterday bisa di consider sell signal, at least take partial profit here :) --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, PositiveThinker84 vividtra...@... wrote: chartnya mana pak? 2009/1/7 tirta858 tirta...@... careful here
[obrolan-bandar] Re: Cut Rate, Last Weapon?
Tax cut it is. http://www.cnbc.com/id/28501386 --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, tirta858 tirta...@... wrote: Mustinya masi bisa tax cut, khususnya capital gain tax cut untuk saham dan dividen :) --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, dario kurniawan darioamran1976@ wrote: Apakah cut rate adalah senjata terakhir untuk meredakan gejolak market dan menuju kestabilan (belum menuju pemulihan)??...bener2 gak tau deh..bukan ekonom juga..tapi yang jelas suku bunga rendah adalah acuan terakhir yang dilihat market..gak mempan juga ya sudah depresi, resesi aja deh..better tunggu laporan Q4 dow biar ketauan manjur tidaknya cut rate... __ _ Nama baru untuk Anda! Dapatkan nama yang selalu Anda inginkan di domain baru @ymail dan @rocketmail. Cepat sebelum diambil orang lain! http://mail.promotions.yahoo.com/newdomains/id/
[obrolan-bandar] The yield curve
Decrypt the chart and it can help you in the next 50 years of your investing career by predicting the next upturn or downturn. Study the chart around August 2006 till may 2007 right before bear stearns hedge fund blew up as the first sign of casualities then study the latest present chart. http://www.smartmoney.com/investing/bonds/the-living-yield-curve-7923/
[obrolan-bandar] Suspend
XX penggelapan dana mungkin.
[obrolan-bandar] Re: Prediksi Saham tgl 5 Januari 2009
f. yield curve Biar tambah seru :) --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Elaine Sui elainesu...@... wrote: *Answer this, noob. [?] Which one is commonly used to measure **future economic growth: a. Copper spot price b. Crude Oil c. Consumer price index d. GDP e. none above I bet you can't answer that. Elaine ** *2009/1/3 FromBuitenzorg frombuitenz...@... I'd like to appreciate your views dan comments honey, but I'm still newbie on my nov first posting :) Btw, Have a Nice weekend. Regards Elaine Sui elainesui83@ wrote: *You're not new around here, are you? well whoever you were, welcome back but you don't have to play noob lol fgod sake.. [?] Elaine** * 2009/1/3 FromBuitenzorg frombuitenzorg@ Ic honey, I actually use both, TA FA, plus learning more macro- econ, global commodties market trend ... Regards Elaine Sui elainesui83@ wrote: *You know, most ppl is actually losing money by using technical because they don't really know how to use it. Technical is like a hand gun, it can save your life, or make yourself killed. It's the man behind the gun.. (lol now where did I ever hear that before..) Elaine** * 2009/1/3 FromBuitenzorg frombuitenzorg@ Benar Pak gak usah takut dikatakan bodo, pede aja walau kalah sama senior2, namanya belajar, kalo meleset wajar Mungkin saya termasuk 'Newbie' ya karena pertama kali posting baru mulai tgl 24 nop 2008, salah biasa :) Peace Regards ruzli indeksbei3000@ wrote: Namanya belajar sih ga ada bodo nya Pak Y, sy jg mau post chart sektor banking tp takut kelihatan bodonya sm senior2 disini : . Kalau di chart sy, BBRI dan BMRI ada Divergence Negatif antara Price Volume, kalau BBNI dan BDMN Divergence Positif. Kemungkinan akan koreksi tgl 7 Jan 09, sesi 2, setelah pengumuman BI Rate. Untuk tgl 5 Jan sy jg optimis ijo Pak Y. On 1/3/09, y_dizz y_dizz@ wrote: Chart DJIA udah diposting sama Pak Tirta. Santa Claus wave-nya IHSG juga udah diposting sama Embah. Saya nggak usah posting lagi lah, nanti malah keliatan bodonya. Yang jelas saya masih yakin sama chart yang dulu saya post. 5 Januari akan jadi hari pembuktian. --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, ruzli indeksbei3000@ wrote: Semua orang bisa bikin prediksi. Tidak begitu penting hasilnya benar atau salah. Yg penting ada reason/alasan nya. Kalau pakai TA, mohon disertakan chartnya, baik itu candlestick, stochastic,dll. Kalau pakai FA, mohon data-datanya, baik itu analisa laporan keuangan, maupun yg lainnya. Data + analisa = konklusi Kalau cuma pakai feelingmology, berarti sm seperti mama loren, cuma ho ki te it Di tahun 09, milis OB harus lebih OK. Mbah, New Year Resolution milis OB apa nih. Mungkin ada saran, masukan buat ke depan? Regards On 1/3/09, y_dizz y_dizz@ wrote: Kalo versi saya IHSG 5 Januari 150% UP. DJIA oil breakout trendline- nya, very2 awesome signal. Saatnya kita gas pol, 1430 here we come... --- In obrolan- ban...@yahoogroups.com, FromBuitenzorg frombuitenzorg@ wrote: Boleh gak ya test prediksi ? Untuk membuktikan sulitnya memprediksi masa depan. Bukan mo nyaingin mama loren yg ngeramal, ini prediksi pasti banyak mleset, . Kalo salah wajar, kalo tepat pasti kita cepat kaya :) Berikut test prediksi utk tgl 5 januari 2009, Pliz. .. mohon jangan diikuti. Gunakan keyakinan masing2 berbasis TA atau FA. Ini hanya test yg akan dibandingkan dg hasilnya pada akhir sesi tgl 5, HANYA ingin membuktikan bhw sangat SULIT sekali memprediksi masa depan. Disclaimer banget ISAT 55 % UP 45% DOWN UNVR 60% UP 40% DOWN PGAS UP 60% UP 40% DOWN INDF 40% UP 60 % DOWN BUMI 51% UP 49% DOWN Makin tinggi %tase UP adalah besaran kemungkinan up, selisihnya merupakan faktor2 unpredictable. Cek tgl 5 januari melesetnya. Regards -- Sent from my mobile device -- Sent from my mobile device + + + + +
[obrolan-bandar] Re: Prediksi Saham tgl 5 Januari 2009
f. Gold rally g. Gold standard back again h. WW3 since it will reset everything Iseng aja biar tambah rame :P --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Elaine Sui elainesu...@... wrote: *And by the wwyy The mega safe haven so called US 10years treasury notes has CRASHED. What effect will happen to stock markets? a. The stock markets will rally b. Rally c. Yup, it's a rally okay? d. omfg lol it's a rally dumb ass e. none of above Elaine** * 2009/1/3 Elaine Sui elainesu...@... *Answer this, noob. [?] Which one is commonly used to measure **future economic growth: a. Copper spot price b. Crude Oil c. Consumer price index d. GDP e. none above I bet you can't answer that. Elaine ** *2009/1/3 FromBuitenzorg frombuitenz...@... I'd like to appreciate your views dan comments honey, but I'm still newbie on my nov first posting :) Btw, Have a Nice weekend. Regards Elaine Sui elainesui83@ wrote: *You're not new around here, are you? well whoever you were, welcome back but you don't have to play noob lol fgod sake.. [?] Elaine** * 2009/1/3 FromBuitenzorg frombuitenzorg@ Ic honey, I actually use both, TA FA, plus learning more macro- econ, global commodties market trend ... Regards Elaine Sui elainesui83@ wrote: *You know, most ppl is actually losing money by using technical because they don't really know how to use it. Technical is like a hand gun, it can save your life, or make yourself killed. It's the man behind the gun.. (lol now where did I ever hear that before..) Elaine** * 2009/1/3 FromBuitenzorg frombuitenzorg@ Benar Pak gak usah takut dikatakan bodo, pede aja walau kalah sama senior2, namanya belajar, kalo meleset wajar Mungkin saya termasuk 'Newbie' ya karena pertama kali posting baru mulai tgl 24 nop 2008, salah biasa :) Peace Regards ruzli indeksbei3000@ wrote: Namanya belajar sih ga ada bodo nya Pak Y, sy jg mau post chart sektor banking tp takut kelihatan bodonya sm senior2 disini : . Kalau di chart sy, BBRI dan BMRI ada Divergence Negatif antara Price Volume, kalau BBNI dan BDMN Divergence Positif. Kemungkinan akan koreksi tgl 7 Jan 09, sesi 2, setelah pengumuman BI Rate. Untuk tgl 5 Jan sy jg optimis ijo Pak Y. On 1/3/09, y_dizz y_dizz@ wrote: Chart DJIA udah diposting sama Pak Tirta. Santa Claus wave-nya IHSG juga udah diposting sama Embah. Saya nggak usah posting lagi lah, nanti malah keliatan bodonya. Yang jelas saya masih yakin sama chart yang dulu saya post. 5 Januari akan jadi hari pembuktian. --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, ruzli indeksbei3000@ wrote: Semua orang bisa bikin prediksi. Tidak begitu penting hasilnya benar atau salah. Yg penting ada reason/alasan nya. Kalau pakai TA, mohon disertakan chartnya, baik itu candlestick, stochastic,dll. Kalau pakai FA, mohon data-datanya, baik itu analisa laporan keuangan, maupun yg lainnya. Data + analisa = konklusi Kalau cuma pakai feelingmology, berarti sm seperti mama loren, cuma ho ki te it Di tahun 09, milis OB harus lebih OK. Mbah, New Year Resolution milis OB apa nih. Mungkin ada saran, masukan buat ke depan? Regards On 1/3/09, y_dizz y_dizz@ wrote: Kalo versi saya IHSG 5 Januari 150% UP. DJIA oil breakout trendline- nya, very2 awesome signal. Saatnya kita gas pol, 1430 here we come... --- In obrolan- ban...@yahoogroups.com, FromBuitenzorg frombuitenzorg@ wrote: Boleh gak ya test prediksi ? Untuk membuktikan sulitnya memprediksi masa depan. Bukan mo nyaingin mama loren yg ngeramal, ini prediksi pasti banyak mleset, . Kalo salah wajar, kalo tepat pasti kita cepat kaya :) Berikut test prediksi utk tgl 5 januari 2009, Pliz. .. mohon jangan diikuti. Gunakan keyakinan masing2 berbasis TA atau FA. Ini hanya test yg akan dibandingkan dg hasilnya pada akhir sesi tgl 5, HANYA ingin membuktikan bhw sangat SULIT sekali memprediksi masa depan. Disclaimer banget ISAT 55 % UP 45% DOWN UNVR 60% UP 40% DOWN PGAS UP 60% UP 40% DOWN INDF 40% UP 60 % DOWN BUMI 51% UP 49% DOWN Makin tinggi %tase UP adalah
[obrolan-bandar] Re: Houston we might have a lift off!!!!
Chart update 2 Jan 09 11:40 pm YEEEHAAA! http://img504.imageshack.us/img504/2734/djia2janej7.gif --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, tirta858 tirta...@... wrote: Chart update http://img361.imageshack.us/img361/5615/djia1jangf3.gif --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, tirta858 tirta858@ wrote: Let see the closing today. If DJIA can break those trendline resistance, we might have a rally soon enuf. http://img171.imageshack.us/img171/8531/djia31dec12pmmu0.gif
[obrolan-bandar] Re: Houston we might have a lift off!!!!
Chart update 03 Jan Zoom zoom zoomm! http://img379.imageshack.us/img379/4668/djia3janiu4.gif First time DJIA close above 9000 and above 50EMA since 5 nov although volumes are light. Let see if this is a real rally when everyone back for work next week. --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, tirta858 tirta...@... wrote: Chart update 2 Jan 09 11:40 pm YEEEHAAA! http://img504.imageshack.us/img504/2734/djia2janej7.gif --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, tirta858 tirta858@ wrote: Chart update http://img361.imageshack.us/img361/5615/djia1jangf3.gif --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, tirta858 tirta858@ wrote: Let see the closing today. If DJIA can break those trendline resistance, we might have a rally soon enuf. http://img171.imageshack.us/img171/8531/djia31dec12pmmu0.gif
[obrolan-bandar] DJIA last day, can we break this???
http://img528.imageshack.us/img528/694/djia31decmv0.gif
[obrolan-bandar] Houston we might have a lift off!!!!
Let see the closing today. If DJIA can break those trendline resistance, we might have a rally soon enuf. http://img171.imageshack.us/img171/8531/djia31dec12pmmu0.gif
[obrolan-bandar] Re: Houston we might have a lift off!!!!
Chart update http://img361.imageshack.us/img361/5615/djia1jangf3.gif --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, tirta858 tirta...@... wrote: Let see the closing today. If DJIA can break those trendline resistance, we might have a rally soon enuf. http://img171.imageshack.us/img171/8531/djia31dec12pmmu0.gif
[obrolan-bandar] DJIA 23 DEC
http://img211.imageshack.us/img211/95/djia23decac9.gif
[obrolan-bandar] Re: traders do not break this
DJIA Chart update Dec 17, break this or break that. http://img249.imageshack.us/img249/5769/djia17dectx1.gif --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, tirta858 tirta...@... wrote: http://img249.imageshack.us/img249/401/djia6monthny7.gif
[obrolan-bandar] Re: BANDARMOLOGIST
www.investopedia.com/university/electronictrading/trading8.asp Specialist see not the Level 2 but Level 3 Quote. There are a variety of ways in which Nasdaq quotes security prices to the public. These levels vary on the amount of information and access they provide to investors. Level I This type of quote is most often published on the net as a real-time quote. Level I consists of real-time bid/ask quotes for securities trading on the Nasdaq stock market. This type of access does not disclose who is bidding or asking for the stock, and it does not show how many shares the market maker is looking for. Real-time quotes show the current quote, but it may be from a different lot than what you are trading. Market makers love clients with this type of access because it doesn't show you the order sizes, and therefore your order may be passed around or held until market makers can profit from your order. Level II This type of quotation system is a step up from the Level I. Level II access provides real-time access to the quotations of individual market makers registered in every Nasdaq-listed security as well as the offering or bidding lots that they are looking for. This level of access also gives the name of the market maker looking to trade the stock. It allows traders to see what market makers are showing the most interest in a stock and to identify the patterns for each market maker. Level II access is available over the internet - but at a cost. This can range in the hundreds of dollars per month depending on the company. For clients placing a large number of trades, the firm may waive the access fee because they will make up the costs on your commissions. Level III This is a trading service consisting of everything in Level II plus the ability to enter quotes, execute orders and send information. This service is restricted to NASD member firms that function as registered market makers. Level III allows you to enter bid/ask quotes as the trades are being executed right in front of you. It is the fastest way to execute a trade and is typically found only on the trading floors of brokerage firms and market makers. 1. The Specialist : What's the difference between a Nasdaq market maker and a NYSE specialist? -- -- What's the main difference between a specialist and a market maker? Not much. Both the New York Stock Exchange (NYSE) specialist and the Nasdaq market maker try to increase the liquidity on the exchange and provide more fluid and efficient trading. A specialist is a dealer representing a NYSE specialist firm - one of the main facilitators of trade on the exchange. A market maker is a broker-dealer who facilitates the trading of shares by posting bid and ask prices along with maintaining an inventory of shares. It is important to note that a specialist is a type of market maker. The NYSE has seven specialist firms while the Nasdaq has nearly 300 market makers. The NYSE is an auction-based market where traders meet on the floor of the exchange, using person-to-person, telephone orders or electronic orders. The Nasdaq, on the other hand, is strictly an electronic exchange. NYSE Specialists working on the NYSE have four roles to fulfill in order to ensure a fair and orderly market: Auctioneer - because the NYSE is an auction market, bids and asks are competitively forwarded by investors. These bids and asks must be posted for the entire market to see to make certain that the best price is always maintained. It is the job of the specialist to ensure that all bids and asks are reported in an accurate and timely manner, that all marketable trades are executed and that order is maintained on the floor. Along with posting the daily bid and ask prices, the specialist must also set the opening price for the stock every morning. This price can greatly differ from the previous day's closing price based on after-hours news and events. The role of the specialist is to find the correct market price based on supply and demand. Agent - the specialist can also accept limit orders relayed by investors through brokers or electronic trading. It is the responsibility of the specialist to ensure the order is transacted appropriately on behalf of others, using the same fiduciary care as the brokers themselves once the price of the stock has reached the limit criteria. Catalyst - as the specialists are in direct contact with the bidders and sellers of particular securities, it is their responsibility that enough interest exists for a particular stock. This is carried out by specialists seeking out recently active investors in cases where the bids and asks can't be matched. This aspect of the specialist's job helps to induce trades that may not of happened if the specialist had not been there to bring buyers and sellers together. Principal - in the
[obrolan-bandar] Re: BANDARMOLOGIST
Di Indonesia, Quotenya level berapa yah buat bandar since RTI dan IQPlus etc cuma Level 1 :P --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, tirta858 tirta...@... wrote: www.investopedia.com/university/electronictrading/trading8.asp Specialist see not the Level 2 but Level 3 Quote. There are a variety of ways in which Nasdaq quotes security prices to the public. These levels vary on the amount of information and access they provide to investors. Level I This type of quote is most often published on the net as a real- time quote. Level I consists of real-time bid/ask quotes for securities trading on the Nasdaq stock market. This type of access does not disclose who is bidding or asking for the stock, and it does not show how many shares the market maker is looking for. Real-time quotes show the current quote, but it may be from a different lot than what you are trading. Market makers love clients with this type of access because it doesn't show you the order sizes, and therefore your order may be passed around or held until market makers can profit from your order. Level II This type of quotation system is a step up from the Level I. Level II access provides real-time access to the quotations of individual market makers registered in every Nasdaq-listed security as well as the offering or bidding lots that they are looking for. This level of access also gives the name of the market maker looking to trade the stock. It allows traders to see what market makers are showing the most interest in a stock and to identify the patterns for each market maker. Level II access is available over the internet - but at a cost. This can range in the hundreds of dollars per month depending on the company. For clients placing a large number of trades, the firm may waive the access fee because they will make up the costs on your commissions. Level III This is a trading service consisting of everything in Level II plus the ability to enter quotes, execute orders and send information. This service is restricted to NASD member firms that function as registered market makers. Level III allows you to enter bid/ask quotes as the trades are being executed right in front of you. It is the fastest way to execute a trade and is typically found only on the trading floors of brokerage firms and market makers. 1. The Specialist : What's the difference between a Nasdaq market maker and a NYSE specialist? -- -- What's the main difference between a specialist and a market maker? Not much. Both the New York Stock Exchange (NYSE) specialist and the Nasdaq market maker try to increase the liquidity on the exchange and provide more fluid and efficient trading. A specialist is a dealer representing a NYSE specialist firm - one of the main facilitators of trade on the exchange. A market maker is a broker-dealer who facilitates the trading of shares by posting bid and ask prices along with maintaining an inventory of shares. It is important to note that a specialist is a type of market maker. The NYSE has seven specialist firms while the Nasdaq has nearly 300 market makers. The NYSE is an auction-based market where traders meet on the floor of the exchange, using person-to-person, telephone orders or electronic orders. The Nasdaq, on the other hand, is strictly an electronic exchange. NYSE Specialists working on the NYSE have four roles to fulfill in order to ensure a fair and orderly market: Auctioneer - because the NYSE is an auction market, bids and asks are competitively forwarded by investors. These bids and asks must be posted for the entire market to see to make certain that the best price is always maintained. It is the job of the specialist to ensure that all bids and asks are reported in an accurate and timely manner, that all marketable trades are executed and that order is maintained on the floor. Along with posting the daily bid and ask prices, the specialist must also set the opening price for the stock every morning. This price can greatly differ from the previous day's closing price based on after-hours news and events. The role of the specialist is to find the correct market price based on supply and demand. Agent - the specialist can also accept limit orders relayed by investors through brokers or electronic trading. It is the responsibility of the specialist to ensure the order is transacted appropriately on behalf of others, using the same fiduciary care as the brokers themselves once the price of the stock has reached the limit criteria. Catalyst - as the specialists are in direct contact with the bidders and sellers of particular securities, it is their responsibility that enough interest exists for a particular stock. This is carried out
[obrolan-bandar] Re: DJIA HNS for chart lover
Tested then back above 8600, as long as the shoulders hold and we break those bull pennant, we wil see 9500 with strong support around 8300. DO we have conviction :) http://img88.imageshack.us/img88/2515/djia2monthxe4.gif --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, tirta858 tirta...@... wrote: DJIA update 11 DEC Pull back to 8600 level would be a good sign for a stronger conviction before 9500 http://img266.imageshack.us/img266/8975/djia11deczx7.gif --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, tirta858 tirta858@ wrote: DJIA updated 08 dec, crossing 9000 http://img262.imageshack.us/img262/289/djia08decrl4.gif --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, tirta858 tirta858@ wrote: Inggih pak. Sekalian tambahan dari post sebelumnya DJIA one year chart: http://img377.imageshack.us/img377/8166/djia1decrx5.gif DJIA 10 years chart: http://img399.imageshack.us/img399/7435/djia10yearsdec1uo2.gif --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Dean Earwicker dean.earwicker@ wrote: Inverted HNS kali (-- bullish signal) Regards, DE 2008/12/3 tirta858 tirta858@ http://img100.imageshack.us/img100/4053/djia2monthsns6.gif + + + + + + + Mohon saat meREPLY posting, text dari posting lama dihapus kecuali diperlukan agar CONTEXTnya jelas. + + + + + + +Yahoo! Groups Links
[obrolan-bandar] traders do not break this
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[obrolan-bandar] Re: DJIA HNS for chart lover
DJIA update 11 DEC Pull back to 8600 level would be a good sign for a stronger conviction before 9500 http://img266.imageshack.us/img266/8975/djia11deczx7.gif --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, tirta858 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: DJIA updated 08 dec, crossing 9000 http://img262.imageshack.us/img262/289/djia08decrl4.gif --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, tirta858 tirta858@ wrote: Inggih pak. Sekalian tambahan dari post sebelumnya DJIA one year chart: http://img377.imageshack.us/img377/8166/djia1decrx5.gif DJIA 10 years chart: http://img399.imageshack.us/img399/7435/djia10yearsdec1uo2.gif --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Dean Earwicker dean.earwicker@ wrote: Inverted HNS kali (-- bullish signal) Regards, DE 2008/12/3 tirta858 tirta858@ http://img100.imageshack.us/img100/4053/djia2monthsns6.gif + + + + + + + Mohon saat meREPLY posting, text dari posting lama dihapus kecuali diperlukan agar CONTEXTnya jelas. + + + + + + +Yahoo! Groups Links
[obrolan-bandar] Re: DJIA HNS for chart lover
Up up and away Here we go 9500 :) --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, tirta858 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Buy now on weakness and distribute through out january. Lame duck will get roasted and black pepper will serve as the catalyst. --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Frendy wildwildwest84@ wrote: yakin bullish signal ? bagaimana dengan asia ? hehehehe.. - Original Message - From: Dean Earwicker To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2008 10:39 AM Subject: Re: [obrolan-bandar] DJIA HNS for chart lover Inverted HNS kali (-- bullish signal) Regards, DE 2008/12/3 tirta858 tirta858@ http://img100.imageshack.us/img100/4053/djia2monthsns6.gif + + + + + + + Mohon saat meREPLY posting, text dari posting lama dihapus kecuali diperlukan agar CONTEXTnya jelas. + + + + + + +Yahoo! Groups Links
[obrolan-bandar] Re: Daisy ML : BUMI TP 550
Ini ada research MER si Daisy bulan october punya, bedanya jauh juga yah, disini target price dia Rp 8000 http://www.mediafire.com/? sharekey=3f16d386c635ce9a91b20cc0d07ba4d2e376198bdd471662 --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Paulus Tangke Allo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: kalau sekarang Neng Daisy bilang TP BUMI 550 dan orang2 pada ngamuk, yah itu emang cerita lamahehehe apa sudah lupa, waktu dulu (Dec 2007) Neng Daisy bilang Maintain Sell utk ANTM, banyak orang yang ngamuk-ngamuk, tapi ternyata terbukti juga. --pta
[obrolan-bandar] Re: DJIA HNS for chart lover
DJIA updated 08 dec, crossing 9000 http://img262.imageshack.us/img262/289/djia08decrl4.gif --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, tirta858 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Inggih pak. Sekalian tambahan dari post sebelumnya DJIA one year chart: http://img377.imageshack.us/img377/8166/djia1decrx5.gif DJIA 10 years chart: http://img399.imageshack.us/img399/7435/djia10yearsdec1uo2.gif --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Dean Earwicker dean.earwicker@ wrote: Inverted HNS kali (-- bullish signal) Regards, DE 2008/12/3 tirta858 tirta858@ http://img100.imageshack.us/img100/4053/djia2monthsns6.gif + + + + + + + Mohon saat meREPLY posting, text dari posting lama dihapus kecuali diperlukan agar CONTEXTnya jelas. + + + + + + +Yahoo! Groups Links
[obrolan-bandar] Re: 2012, the year of Industrial boom
I thought world is going to end on 2012, here is the link :P http://www.usatoday.com/tech/science/2007-03-27-maya-2012_n.htm --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Elaine Sui [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: *I need to be honest with everyone here. Earlier this year, I was trying, with my own way, to provoke everybody so less ppl could be caught in such a disastrous financial turmoil. NOW, I'm again provoking YOU to get the most benefit from it. From my point of view, trading is MUCH more expensive than investing, because most trader prefers to watch running trades than spending his/her precious time with family friends. Some even think dragonfly doji is sexier than Jessica Alba. (nuts!) Come on, appreciate your life. Elaine** *
[obrolan-bandar] Re: BUMI
EU cut rate, EL beli SPX, semuanya happy :) --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, jsx_consultant jsx- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, JsxTrader jsxtrader@ wrote: BUMI - mulai Ada upside pressure - EL lagi belanja nih.hehe SP Future naik cepet sekali, mungkin ada beritanya ?
[obrolan-bandar] Re: DJIA HNS for chart lover
Buy now on weakness and distribute through out january. Lame duck will get roasted and black pepper will serve as the catalyst. --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Frendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: yakin bullish signal ? bagaimana dengan asia ? hehehehe.. - Original Message - From: Dean Earwicker To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2008 10:39 AM Subject: Re: [obrolan-bandar] DJIA HNS for chart lover Inverted HNS kali (-- bullish signal) Regards, DE 2008/12/3 tirta858 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://img100.imageshack.us/img100/4053/djia2monthsns6.gif + + + + + + + Mohon saat meREPLY posting, text dari posting lama dihapus kecuali diperlukan agar CONTEXTnya jelas. + + + + + + +Yahoo! Groups Links
[obrolan-bandar] Re: GILA semua TEKTOK ketangkep ama ini grafik...
China sent man to moon couple years ago, but US sent monkey in the 80's. Sorry decoupling is like seperating tits from boobs which is really an impossible thing to do. Pull all major market charts and find out if it moves in sync. As long as you eat mcdonalds, wear durex and watch cnbc, it still the US that leads :P --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Elaine Sui [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: *Scenario? What scenario? BBUU!!! fgod sake. Don't look too much on DJI, it'll fool ya. I repeat, DO NOT GET CONFUSED WITH US MARKET, BUMI or GMAN. Focus on fundamental. Check it yourself, ASIA is decoupling. China apparently contain their domestic problem. BUY COMMODITIES, ENERGY AND AGRICULTURE STOCKS. These've been grossly undervalued today. Stop worrying about tomorrow, think about years later. Really, don't you wanna be rich? Nanti di take over institutional lagi jangan meneysal ya. Here's my top picks (subject for discussion): * - *Plantation: Astra Agro Lestari, PP London Sumatera* - *Energy: ALL. Bukit Asam, Adaro, Bumi Resources, Indotambang, etc* - *Metals: INCO, Timah (okay, antam..lol)* - *Others: Gas Negara, United Tractors* - *Penny stocks: ask Oentoeng [?]* - *Bank: BRI only.* *Laggards: * - *Telecomm sector (unless they do massive layoffs, i dunno) * *Nanti Elaine share projection untuk 1H09. **Elaine** * 2008/12/1 SyIFA Fund [EMAIL PROTECTED] *Let's DOWN it one more time before the end of December Mbah, ONE BIG CUT in PRICE..EL it has been worked...I mean the beautiful scenario* ** *Regards,* ** *SF FM* *Where you can trust your fund* --- On *Mon, 12/1/08, jsx_consultant [EMAIL PROTECTED]*wrote: From: jsx_consultant [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [obrolan-bandar] Re: GILA semua TEKTOK ketangkep ama ini grafik... To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, December 1, 2008, 8:40 AM Level 1220 akan jadi LEVEL PENENTUAN... http://www.obrolanb andar.com/ piwuptrend. htmhttp://www.obrolanbandar.com/piwuptrend.htm --- In obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. com obrolan-bandar% 40yahoogroups.com, Vincent Chase chase.vincent@ ... wrote: kl tembus?cut loss yee? jsx_consultant jsx-consultant@ ... wrote: HAJAR LAGI... masih ada 90 menit ampe closing... --- In obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. comobrolan-bandar% 40yahoogroups.com, jsx_consultant jsx- consultant@ wrote: JIKA 1220 engga tembus, HAJAR KANAN LAGI... Ini UPTREND... euy --- In obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. comobrolan-bandar% 40yahoogroups.com, Petualang Saham petualang.saham@ wrote: He3x.. Ketangkep basah sama Embah nih... --- In obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. comobrolan-bandar% 40yahoogroups.com, jsx_consultant jsx- consultant@ wrote: IHSG 1223, GILA semua TEKTOK ketangkep ama ini grafik... http://www.obrolanb andar.com/ piwuptrend. htmhttp://www.obrolanbandar.com/piwuptrend.htm
[obrolan-bandar] Re: Iseng2x kalkulasi BUMI pakai simple DCF
GS BUMI research 1 dec 08 http://www.mediafire.com/? sharekey=3f16d386c635ce9a91b20cc0d07ba4d2e376198bdd471662 --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, tirta858 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: CLSA 26nov research report http://www.mediafire.com/?sharekey=3f16d386c635ce9ad2db6fb9a8902bda --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, tirta858 tirta858@ wrote: Barusan saja saya kalkulasi BUMI using simple DCF calculation. Datanya saya ambil dari http://www.reuters.com/finance/stocks/incomeStatement? stmtType=INCperType=ANNsymbol=BUMI.JK Saya pakai angka yang agak conservative saja. Net income saya ambil dari permulaan tahun 2004(first positive earning) lalu net income growth saya pakai tahun 2004 dan 2005 yaitu 12.2%(pre comodity euphoria). FV net income(2008) = 1.122^4 x 108.8 = $172.42mil (sangat conservative compare to actual 2007 $789mil) Assumptionnya : Exchange rate = Rp 10,000 Net income 2008 = $172.42 mil 1-5 year growth = 12.2% Terminal = 3% Shares out = 19,404 mil WACC = 17% Plug in the numbers: IV = Rp 922 IV with 40% margin of safety = Rp 553 Comments are welcome :)
[obrolan-bandar] DJIA HNS for chart lover
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[obrolan-bandar] Re: DJIA HNS for chart lover
Inggih pak. Sekalian tambahan dari post sebelumnya DJIA one year chart: http://img377.imageshack.us/img377/8166/djia1decrx5.gif DJIA 10 years chart: http://img399.imageshack.us/img399/7435/djia10yearsdec1uo2.gif --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Dean Earwicker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Inverted HNS kali (-- bullish signal) Regards, DE 2008/12/3 tirta858 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://img100.imageshack.us/img100/4053/djia2monthsns6.gif + + + + + + + Mohon saat meREPLY posting, text dari posting lama dihapus kecuali diperlukan agar CONTEXTnya jelas. + + + + + + +Yahoo! Groups Links
[obrolan-bandar] Ancora Capital Management take over 5% BUMI share from JP
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[obrolan-bandar] DJIA 28nov08 rsi, macd divergence sign of the bottom or bear trap??
See the charts and decide yourself. DJIA one year chart: http://img377.imageshack.us/img377/8166/djia1decrx5.gif DJIA 10 years chart: http://img399.imageshack.us/img399/7435/djia10yearsdec1uo2.gif
[obrolan-bandar] Re: DJIA 28nov08 rsi, macd divergence sign of the bottom or bear trap??
Menurut pendapat saya tidak tau cuma kebetulan ato indicator MACD dan RSI memang berguna. Kuncinya adalah positive negative divergence. Positive divergence kalo susunan bacanya RSI dan MACD berada dibawah DJIA bentuknya yang artinya index drop tetapi RSI dan MACD up kalo negative divergence bentuknya DAN the best kalo MACD and RSI CONFIRM. Contohnya check aja di chart 10 tahun, Tahun 2000 DJIA peak di higher high 12000 tetapi MACD and RSI(both confirm) making lower low dan gak lama kemudian DJIA tank ke 7400 di 09/2002 Tahun 2002 bulan september tepat sebelum 7400an ketika DJIA hit lower low, tetapi RSI making higher high walau tidak di confirm dengan macd lalu DJIA naik setinggi tingginya ke 14169 Tahun 2007 bulan september tepat sebelum higher high di 14169 bisa di confirm MACD dan RSI making lower low again dan tidak lama kemudia crashhh. Present day : DJIA hit lower low ke 7392 tetapi RSI making higher high walaupun MACD belom confirm. Kesimpulannya kalo kita check chartnya dan study market peak and bottom, volume, crossover mungkin kita masih bisa exit or enter dengan selamat, walaupun detail detailnya masi banyak lagi. Saat ini kita keliahatannya dalam proses positive divegence Semoga berguna :) --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, jsx_consultant jsx- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, tirta858 tirta858@ wrote: See the charts and decide yourself. DJIA one year chart: http://img377.imageshack.us/img377/8166/djia1decrx5.gif DJIA 10 years chart: http://img399.imageshack.us/img399/7435/djia10yearsdec1uo2.gif Pak Tirta, Bisakah sekalian diuraikan: - Apa hasil analisa dan kesimpulan dari hasil analisanya ? Seperti kita tahu, TA adalah suatu ilmu, TAPI TA juga bersifat seni, sehingga hasil interpretasi dan kesimpulan TA bisa berbeda beda tergantung pengalaman, kemahiran dan wawasan sang INTERPRETATOR.. Mohon bimbingannya pak Tirta..
[obrolan-bandar] Re: Iseng2x kalkulasi BUMI pakai simple DCF
CLSA 26nov research report http://www.mediafire.com/?sharekey=3f16d386c635ce9ad2db6fb9a8902bda --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, tirta858 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Barusan saja saya kalkulasi BUMI using simple DCF calculation. Datanya saya ambil dari http://www.reuters.com/finance/stocks/incomeStatement? stmtType=INCperType=ANNsymbol=BUMI.JK Saya pakai angka yang agak conservative saja. Net income saya ambil dari permulaan tahun 2004(first positive earning) lalu net income growth saya pakai tahun 2004 dan 2005 yaitu 12.2%(pre comodity euphoria). FV net income(2008) = 1.122^4 x 108.8 = $172.42mil (sangat conservative compare to actual 2007 $789mil) Assumptionnya : Exchange rate = Rp 10,000 Net income 2008 = $172.42 mil 1-5 year growth = 12.2% Terminal = 3% Shares out = 19,404 mil WACC = 17% Plug in the numbers: IV = Rp 922 IV with 40% margin of safety = Rp 553 Comments are welcome :)
[obrolan-bandar] US gas price vs Indo
Harga bensin indo vs amrik http://www.gasbuddy.com/ Kemaren di Amrik yang salah satu negara terbesar pengimport minyak, gas price sekitar $1.37 per gallon setara dengan Rp 4,686 per liter dengan kurs Rp 13,000. Di bandingkan dengan di Indonesia negara penghasil minyak yang bensin bersubsidi Rp 6,000 plus curang ditiup angin, bensin kotor, jalan hancur dan macet bikin bensin nguap di tempat yang mungkin rata rata konsumsi bahan bakar mobil sedan 2400cc akhirnya jadi 1 liter : 6 km , belom lagi resiko bulak balik di tabrak motor gara gara jalan kekecilan, shock breaker mati gara gara jalan ala padang golf, kopling tipis, kampas rem cepet abis, ban botak dan bocor kena ranjau, dompet tipis bayar tol kota yang seringnya macet dan di tilang setan. Ditimbang timbang even bensin di amrik pas mahal mahalnya $4 per gallon atau setara Rp 13,684 per liter dengan kurs Rp 13,000. rasanya masih murah juga yah consider mobil sedan 2400cc bisa menempuh 1 liter : 13 km plus tanpa resiko resiko di curangin, mobil rusak dan aus seperti di atas :)
[obrolan-bandar] Re: Iseng2x kalkulasi BUMI pakai simple DCF
Excel nya ada di sini, oh yah ini cuma SIMPLE DCF yah, jadi assumptionnya juga base on 2004-2005 growth jaman komoditas baru mulai naek daun. Lebih bagus pake free cash flow sih, cuma untuk lebih mudahnya pakai saja net income. Silakan kalau ada yang mau kasih penyempurnaan excelnya lagi. Thx http://www.mediafire.com/?sharekey=4754fc02fcc14c35d2db6fb9a8902bda --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, john.nuel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hitungan yang menarik. kapan KPC DAN ARUTMIN masuk BUMI uda dimasukkan dlm hitungan? masuknya Herald ? thanks utk hitungannya --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, tirta858 tirta858@ wrote: Barusan saja saya kalkulasi BUMI using simple DCF calculation. Datanya saya ambil dari http://www.reuters.com/finance/stocks/incomeStatement? stmtType=INCperType=ANNsymbol=BUMI.JK Saya pakai angka yang agak conservative saja. Net income saya ambil dari permulaan tahun 2004(first positive earning) lalu net income growth saya pakai tahun 2004 dan 2005 yaitu 12.2%(pre comodity euphoria). FV net income(2008) = 1.122^4 x 108.8 = $172.42mil (sangat conservative compare to actual 2007 $789mil) Assumptionnya : Exchange rate = Rp 10,000 Net income 2008 = $172.42 mil 1-5 year growth = 12.2% Terminal = 3% Shares out = 19,404 mil WACC = 17% Plug in the numbers: IV = Rp 922 IV with 40% margin of safety = Rp 553 Comments are welcome :)
[obrolan-bandar] Iseng2x kalkulasi BUMI pakai simple DCF
Barusan saja saya kalkulasi BUMI using simple DCF calculation. Datanya saya ambil dari http://www.reuters.com/finance/stocks/incomeStatement? stmtType=INCperType=ANNsymbol=BUMI.JK Saya pakai angka yang agak conservative saja. Net income saya ambil dari permulaan tahun 2004(first positive earning) lalu net income growth saya pakai tahun 2004 dan 2005 yaitu 12.2%(pre comodity euphoria). FV net income(2008) = 1.122^4 x 108.8 = $172.42mil (sangat conservative compare to actual 2007 $789mil) Assumptionnya : Exchange rate = Rp 10,000 Net income 2008 = $172.42 mil 1-5 year growth = 12.2% Terminal = 3% Shares out = 19,404 mil WACC = 17% Plug in the numbers: IV = Rp 922 IV with 40% margin of safety = Rp 553 Comments are welcome :)
[obrolan-bandar] The Eight Rules of Carney
1. Never get into something you can't get out of by the closing bell. Every trade you make, you're looking for the exit point. Always keep your eyes on the exit point. 2. Don't ever take anything at face value. Because face value is the biggest lie of any market. Nothing is ever priced at its true worth. The key is to figure out the real, intrinsic value-- and get it for much, much less. 3. One minute, you have your feet on the ground and you're moving forward. The next minute, the ground is gone and your're falling. The key is to never land. keep it in the air as long as you fxxking can. 4. You walk into a room with a granade, and your best case scenario is walking back out still holding that granade. Your worst case scenario is that the granade explodes, blowing you into little bloody pieces. The moral of the story: don't make bets with no upside. 5. Don't overthink. If it looks like shit and smells like shit- it's a shit. 6. Fear is the greatest motivator. Motivation is what it takes to find profit. 7. The first place to look for a solution is within the problem itself. 8. The ends justify the means, but there's only one end that realy matters. Ending up on a beach with a bottle of champagne. From the book UGLY AMERICAN$
[obrolan-bandar] Re: Bocoran ttg BXXX, dan knp Index bisa ke 900
Bocoran dari salah satu private bank indo yang kantornya di SCBD. Orang indo yang kalah forex di total around USD $150 mill, the only big player yang make money adalah RGM group, dan RGM kalo sekali ambil posisi jarang salah, dan mereka keep buying dollar so far which mean dollar akan melemah terus. RGM terkenal pelornya bisa lawan sapa aja even BI, karena tink tanknya isinya orang bajakan bank luar terkenal yang sahamnya sekarang sekitar $10. Banyak group group besar laennya yang masi ngotot gak mau beli dollar and sekali mereka mulai beli rupiah akan melemah lagi. ironically alot of people masi belom kapok akan krisi 98 yang banyak perusahaan gak hedge utang dollarnya :) --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Happy Pinguin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Pak G-Man, NOTHING TO SAY UNLESS GOOD POSTING. Jgn lupa always keep sharing pak. Rgds From: G - MAN [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 5:43:26 PM Subject: [obrolan-bandar] Bocoran ttg BXXX, dan knp Index bisa ke 900 Mengenai BXXX yg lg hot sedikit bocoran yg saya dapat dari kawan saya yg deket dengan ABuBa dari kontrak2 yg dibatalkan AbuBa bahwa AbuBa dalam keadaan terdesek. Kalau saya sendiri, saya pikir dengan segala tindakan yg dia jalankan hampir ngga mungkin org yg berada di posisi terkaya Itu tiba2 hilang wush Kalau anda sekalian tau cara mereka merekrut org, anda akan sadar kehebatan orang ini. Pucuk pimpinan ABuBa bukanlah ABuBa, tapi si .Ba, silahkan isi sendiri. Yg ada menurut saya adalah suatu taktik yg sangat hebat untuk mengakuisisi `kekayaan' kita. Knp? Krn saat ini informasi sgt simpang siur, sdg yg dr sumber aslinya tutup mulut rapat2. Saya pikir malah bakal ada action yg menghebohkan sebentar lagi Soal si tk. Pentung ini saya pernah mention bahwa org ini bisa baca teknikal, suka pelototin running trade dan sangat rajin liat Perubahan chart harian.. tangannya pun setiap saat mengecheck mail yg masuk ke OB. Tebak kira2 kerjaannya. Hanya orang yg maaf.. agak oneng, yg ga bisa baca grafik, yg baru, yg ga punya fasilitas grafik aja yg mau nelen mentah2 omongan orang ini, yg saya liat agak keterlaluan negatifnya. Kebetulan nebak bener bangganya 2 langit. Gara2 mao brp lot aja nakutin org se OB. Saya sih ngga pinter2 amat, Cuma kita rasional aja, wahai para penurut pentungers yg keblinger . Anda semua ada perhatikan ngga bhw pd saat ini telah terjadi krisis global? Di negara2 yg sangat maju informasinya lagi Semua kabar buruk tersebar luas. Tapi anda semua juga liat ngga? Bahwa : · Semua Negara bersatu padu buat menangani krisis ini dengan jurus whatever it cost untuk mencegah resesi global. · Terjadi perubahan kekuasaan yg significant di AS, dengan voters yg mencapai rekor dari tahun2 sebelumnya. · Menandakan adanya optimism yg tinggi dari warga AS · Bahkan sebelum BO terpilih jadi presiden, banyak negara2 Eropa, Timur Tengah dan Asia yg menunjukkan · Dukungan kepada si BO ini. · Tentu saja ekonomi ngga bisa sulap, lgs baik, seperti pohon, yg jelek dipotong, yg bagus survive. Ada naik, ada turun, · Sampai pada suatu saat ada kepastian bahwa krisis berakhir, nah . · Apalagi soal BXXX yg menyangkut triliunan duit blom lagi BC2 unggulan lainnya yg terkapar. Siapa sih yg goblok amat · Mau kehilangan duit segitu gede? Yg Bener : · Sadarlah coy, kalo udah bbrp hari naik, PT lah AS itu skrg lagi volatile, dow fut ijo, djia tutupnya bisa merah JGN SERAKAH ADA UNTUNG AMBIL, BIAR SEDIKIT · Kalo ngga sempet monitor, ya jangan main. Jgn pikir baek / ijo terus, saat gini adalah sideways yg panjang, At least sampe 1st quarter AS. Stay away, kalo ngga canggih / Cuma dengerin orang. · Semua analis disini sgt jarang yg bener2 tulus kasih ilmu, hanya bbrp spt DE, HMin, JSXTrader dan bbrp Saja yg bener2 berdedikasi. Kebanyakan punya maksud terselubung. · Secara Global : Apa negara2 dunia yg diisi oleh org2 pinter yg sdh mengeluarkan dana talangan yg segede2nya Akan begitu gobloknya menyerah pada nasib dan resesi global, mengorbankan kemakmuran mereka? Coba pikirin Deh poin ini mateng2. Kasat mata : suku bunga overnight di Eropa AMerika turun krn banjir likuiditas.. · Kenapa bisa ada target 900 / 700 ? knp PTBA 2500? Gini aje para pentungers yg keblingers. Seandainya, monyet bisa ngomong dan baca grafik, monyet aja pasti tau, karena disitulah terdapat titik support long time punya. Apa setelah lewat 700 bisa stop / balik? Blom tentu karena ada support lagi di 400 an. Bgt juga PTBA, apa stlh 2500 akan balik? Blom tentu, krn dia ada support kuat dan lama di 1800 2000. Nyaho lu! Ada juga support di 900 nah pusing kan? Bila akhirnya sampe kesitu kenapa ?
[obrolan-bandar] BUMI news WSJ
By Tom Wright Of THE WALL STREET JOURNAL JAKARTA (Dow Jones)--PT Bakrie Brothers (BNBR.JK), a conglomerate which borrowed heavily from foreign and local banks, became the highest-profile Indonesian victim of the global credit crisis Saturday when it agreed to sell a 35% stake in a hugely profitable coal mining company to a consortium led by a local affiliate of TPG Inc. for $1.3 billion. PT Northstar Pacific Partners of Indonesia, which runs a $400 million private-equity fund in which TPG has invested, said it is leading the bid to purchase Bakrie Brothers' entire stake in PT Bumi Resources. Two years ago, Northstar Pacific made an unsuccessful bid for Bumi Resources, which owns two coal mines in the Indonesian portion of the island of Borneo. (This story and related background material will be available on The Wall Street Journal Web site, WSJ.com.) Bakrie Brothers, controlled by Indonesia's welfare minister, Aburizal Bakrie, is a major loser from the credit crisis. Recently, the company has borrowed heavily from Credit Suisse Group AG and J.P. Morgan Chase Co., amongst other lenders, to fund acquisitions like the takeover earlier this year of Australia's Herald Resources Ltd. But those banks - mindful of a re-run of the 1997-98 Asian financial crisis in which Bakrie Brothers defaulted on tens of millions of dollars in borrowings - demanded the loans be collateralized by shares of Bakrie family companies. As those shares tumbled in value over the past month amid an outflow of foreign funds from emerging markets and lower commodities prices, Bakrie has faced pressure from creditors to repay the debt, which may amount to as much as $1.5 billion, say two people close to the Bumi Resources deal. Any agreement between Northstar Pacific and Bakrie to acquire Bumi Resources would need the agreement of creditors who hold the company's shares as collateral, those people say. The consortium of buyers is likely to include state-owned Indonesian companies such as PT Tambang Batubara, a coal miner, they added. Northstar will pay 2,115 rupiah (US 19 cents) per share for Bumi Resources, a 3% discount to the company's last traded share price, BNP Paribas said in a research note. Although a reasonably good price given the global meltdown and pressure on Bakrie to raise funds, the deal values Bumi Resources below other Asian coal producers, BNP Paribas said. The selling price is also well below the IDR5,432 per share that Bakrie Brothers paid for the Bumi Resources stake earlier this year during a reorganization of its businesses. Shares in three of Bakrie Brothers' listed companies, including Bumi Resources, have been suspended from the Indonesian Stock Exchange since Oct. 7, after they fell sharply in value amid rumors of the group's debt problems. Analysts said that despite the Northstar deal, Bumi Resource's shares could fall further if they restart trading this week because a number of local broking firms hold the stock and desperately need liquidity. Bumi Resources shares are a huge component of the local stock market index, accounting earlier this year for about a third of Indonesia's daily average market turnover of $500 million. The stock soared more than 700% in 2007, fueled by large U.S. hedge and pension funds, which bet that strong demand for coal from China and India would underpin the stock. The credit crisis, which prompted many foreign equity investors in Indonesia to bail out, coupled with declining coal prices due to concerns about the global economy, have made that bet look like a risky one. -By Tom Wright, The Wall Street Journal Click here to go to Dow Jones NewsPlus, a web front page of today's most important business and market news, analysis and commentary: http://www.djnewsplus.com/al?rnd=n%2Fjj%2FVabU%2BNlgzrsWWrJGQ%3D%3D. You can use this link on the day this article is published and the following day. (END) Dow Jones Newswires November 02, 2008 05:59 ET (10:59 GMT) Copyright (c) 2008 Dow Jones Company, Inc.- - 05 59 AM EST 11-02-08
[obrolan-bandar] Re: BEI Terapkan Auto Rejection Asimetris Mulai Jumat [31 Okt 2008]
Hebat di indo tidak ada yang mustahill :)) --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, l s l o l e l m l r l i l n l g l a l h l [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Batas Autoreject akan diterapkan secara asimetris. Batas atas + 20%, Batas Bawah -10% sumber: http://www.detikfinance.com/read/2008/10/30/221227/1028806/6/bei- terapkan-auto-rejection-asimetris-mulai-jumat Salam Soemringah
[obrolan-bandar] Re: BEI Terapkan Auto Rejection Asimetris Mulai Jumat [31 Okt 2008]
Hebat di indo tidak ada yang mustahill :)) --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, l s l o l e l m l r l i l n l g l a l h l [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Batas Autoreject akan diterapkan secara asimetris. Batas atas + 20%, Batas Bawah -10% sumber: http://www.detikfinance.com/read/2008/10/30/221227/1028806/6/bei- terapkan-auto-rejection-asimetris-mulai-jumat Salam Soemringah
[obrolan-bandar] Re: MBAH TOLONG KOMENTAR TTG PGAS
Utang PGAS dalam yen 33% yen sudah menguat 45% dalam seminggu ini, itu lah alasannya kenapa pgas di hajar turun --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Happy Pinguin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mbah, Pgas knp payah sekali, turun terus tanpa perlawanan, Mbah bisa tolong di analisa? Rgd/Nini From: jsx_consultant [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 10:04:40 AM Subject: [obrolan-bandar] Re: mbah komentar plz SEMUA SEKTOR akan naik pada penutupan... --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Thomas Frederick thomaszone_2000@ wrote: sektor apa mbah?? suerr nih pusing mikirin sektornya... kepukul kiri kanan nih mbahh Thank You! ThomaS FredericK --- On Tue, 10/28/08, jsx_consultant jsx-consultant@ wrote: From: jsx_consultant jsx-consultant@ Subject: [obrolan-bandar] Re: mbah komentar plz To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, October 28, 2008, 9:56 PM --- In obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. com, tjoa_to_hing tjoa_to_hing@ ... wrote: mbah ada apa nih kok ihsg ngak bisa naik? menurut bandarmologi gimana? SIALAN, mau istirahat, BD muncul lagi JANGAN MAU KETEPU... HOLD+BUY... IHSG pasti naik banyak hari ini... + + + + + + + Mohon saat meREPLY posting, text dari posting lama dihapus kecuali diperlukan agar CONTEXTnya jelas. + + + + + + +Yahoo! Groups Links
[obrolan-bandar] Re: MBAH TOLONG KOMENTAR TTG PGAS
Sorry dari 1H08 --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Tommy Jayamudita [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yen menguat 45% atas USD, nggak salah pak? Bukankah tertinggi Yen kemarin hanya sampai 92. Salam, TJ - Original Message - From: tirta858 To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 3:27 PM Subject: [obrolan-bandar] Re: MBAH TOLONG KOMENTAR TTG PGAS Utang PGAS dalam yen 33% yen sudah menguat 45% dalam seminggu ini, itu lah alasannya kenapa pgas di hajar turun --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Happy Pinguin pinguinhappy@ wrote: Mbah, Pgas knp payah sekali, turun terus tanpa perlawanan, Mbah bisa tolong di analisa? Rgd/Nini From: jsx_consultant jsx-consultant@ To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 10:04:40 AM Subject: [obrolan-bandar] Re: mbah komentar plz SEMUA SEKTOR akan naik pada penutupan... --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Thomas Frederick thomaszone_2000@ wrote: sektor apa mbah?? suerr nih pusing mikirin sektornya... kepukul kiri kanan nih mbahh Thank You! ThomaS FredericK --- On Tue, 10/28/08, jsx_consultant jsx-consultant@ wrote: From: jsx_consultant jsx-consultant@ Subject: [obrolan-bandar] Re: mbah komentar plz To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, October 28, 2008, 9:56 PM --- In obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. com, tjoa_to_hing tjoa_to_hing@ ... wrote: mbah ada apa nih kok ihsg ngak bisa naik? menurut bandarmologi gimana? SIALAN, mau istirahat, BD muncul lagi JANGAN MAU KETEPU... HOLD+BUY... IHSG pasti naik banyak hari ini... + + + + + + + Mohon saat meREPLY posting, text dari posting lama dihapus kecuali diperlukan agar CONTEXTnya jelas. + + + + + + +Yahoo! Groups Links
[obrolan-bandar] Re: MBAH TOLONG KOMENTAR TTG PGAS
PGAS : JPY mn loan 1H08 = 36,375 in Rp 3,154 bln as of 28 Oct Rp 4577 bln different 45% Angsuran 1 taun 2013 mature 2043 --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, tirta858 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sorry dari 1H08 --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Tommy Jayamudita jayamudita@ wrote: Yen menguat 45% atas USD, nggak salah pak? Bukankah tertinggi Yen kemarin hanya sampai 92. Salam, TJ - Original Message - From: tirta858 To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 3:27 PM Subject: [obrolan-bandar] Re: MBAH TOLONG KOMENTAR TTG PGAS Utang PGAS dalam yen 33% yen sudah menguat 45% dalam seminggu ini, itu lah alasannya kenapa pgas di hajar turun --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Happy Pinguin pinguinhappy@ wrote: Mbah, Pgas knp payah sekali, turun terus tanpa perlawanan, Mbah bisa tolong di analisa? Rgd/Nini From: jsx_consultant jsx-consultant@ To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 10:04:40 AM Subject: [obrolan-bandar] Re: mbah komentar plz SEMUA SEKTOR akan naik pada penutupan... --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Thomas Frederick thomaszone_2000@ wrote: sektor apa mbah?? suerr nih pusing mikirin sektornya... kepukul kiri kanan nih mbahh Thank You! ThomaS FredericK --- On Tue, 10/28/08, jsx_consultant jsx-consultant@ wrote: From: jsx_consultant jsx-consultant@ Subject: [obrolan-bandar] Re: mbah komentar plz To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, October 28, 2008, 9:56 PM --- In obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. com, tjoa_to_hing tjoa_to_hing@ ... wrote: mbah ada apa nih kok ihsg ngak bisa naik? menurut bandarmologi gimana? SIALAN, mau istirahat, BD muncul lagi JANGAN MAU KETEPU... HOLD+BUY... IHSG pasti naik banyak hari ini... + + + + + + + Mohon saat meREPLY posting, text dari posting lama dihapus kecuali diperlukan agar CONTEXTnya jelas. + + + + + + +Yahoo! Groups Links
[obrolan-bandar] Re: MBAH TOLONG KOMENTAR TTG PGAS
Ini statement dari research pake. 1H08 ratenya 86.72 28 Oct 125.83 Coba aja di check lagi kebenarannya --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, kangduren [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: itu statement ato perhitungan sendiri mas? saya ga jelas. salam --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, tirta858 tirta858@ wrote: PGAS : JPY mn loan 1H08 = 36,375 in Rp 3,154 bln as of 28 Oct Rp 4577 bln different 45% Angsuran 1 taun 2013 mature 2043 --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, tirta858 tirta858@ wrote: Sorry dari 1H08 --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Tommy Jayamudita jayamudita@ wrote: Yen menguat 45% atas USD, nggak salah pak? Bukankah tertinggi Yen kemarin hanya sampai 92. Salam, TJ - Original Message - From: tirta858 To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 3:27 PM Subject: [obrolan-bandar] Re: MBAH TOLONG KOMENTAR TTG PGAS Utang PGAS dalam yen 33% yen sudah menguat 45% dalam seminggu ini, itu lah alasannya kenapa pgas di hajar turun --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Happy Pinguin pinguinhappy@ wrote: Mbah, Pgas knp payah sekali, turun terus tanpa perlawanan, Mbah bisa tolong di analisa? Rgd/Nini From: jsx_consultant jsx-consultant@ To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 10:04:40 AM Subject: [obrolan-bandar] Re: mbah komentar plz SEMUA SEKTOR akan naik pada penutupan... --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Thomas Frederick thomaszone_2000@ wrote: sektor apa mbah?? suerr nih pusing mikirin sektornya... kepukul kiri kanan nih mbahh Thank You! ThomaS FredericK --- On Tue, 10/28/08, jsx_consultant jsx-consultant@ wrote: From: jsx_consultant jsx-consultant@ Subject: [obrolan-bandar] Re: mbah komentar plz To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, October 28, 2008, 9:56 PM --- In obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. com, tjoa_to_hing tjoa_to_hing@ ... wrote: mbah ada apa nih kok ihsg ngak bisa naik? menurut bandarmologi gimana? SIALAN, mau istirahat, BD muncul lagi JANGAN MAU KETEPU... HOLD+BUY... IHSG pasti naik banyak hari ini... + + + + + + + Mohon saat meREPLY posting, text dari posting lama dihapus kecuali diperlukan agar CONTEXTnya jelas. + + + + + + +Yahoo! Groups Links
[obrolan-bandar] JSX Chart new outlook
Mudah mudahan dapat membantu http://img411.imageshack.us/img411/8608/dsdahq5.gif
[obrolan-bandar] Dow could drop 1100 pts at open
Dow future auto reject di max turun 550
[obrolan-bandar] Re: VERY Very important! Dow is making the notorious bear pennant
Hang on!!! almost there. Probably 2000pts drop from the break down of the triangle! --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, tirta858 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bear pennant is the begining of long bear market. After a big dump, this bear flag sets the stage for another quick and even larger fall. Volume decreases considerably in the flag, but the break to the downside is accompanied by a big increase in activity Here is 22/10/08 INDU 9:00 AM US Chart http://img241.imageshack.us/img241/6894/djiaoe6.gif Here is all the explaination. http://www.chartpatterns.com/flagandpennantcharts.htm INDU has all the characteristic. Hopefully the chart was wrong but if its correct hopefully we all prepare and have time to cover safely. The breaks up or down could happen this or next week.
[obrolan-bandar] Bloomberg :Hundreds of hegde fund will fail and market will shut down.
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=newsarchivesid=ax3ZRmJRccyo
