[obrolan-bandar] Dunia memang goblok...Re: How bad and how long?iceland goes bankrupt?
Islandia bangkrut karena devisanya nol atau engga punya dollar buat bayar import. Kalo devisa BI yg sekitar 50 miliar dollar habis maka kita tidak bisa bayar utang luar negri karena kita engga bisa bayar pake rupiah. Jadi bangkrut disini adalah bangkrut dari segi valuta asing. Tapi Amerika punya utang luar negri yang begitu gede ENGGA AKAN pernah bangkrut karena dollar adalah mata uang negara Amerika, tinggal nyetak doang... Jadi untuk bayar utang, suatu negara harus mengexport barang, menarik invetasi atau bikin pinjaman valas yg baru. Coba kita bayangin devisa BI yg 50 miliar dollar itu senilai ama apa ?. - Kita ambil harga tanah dipusat kota = 10j/m2. - 50 miliar dollar ini dapet berapa m2 ? - 50 miliar x kurs 10.000/ 10 juta = 500.000 m2 = atau tanah yg luasnya = 700m x 700m = 0,7km x 0,7km, tanah ini masih lebih kecil dari luas MONAS.. Jadi devisa BI masih JAUH lebih kecil dari harga tanah Monas, karena tanah MONAS bisa laku 50j/m2. Jadi kalo Monas dijual ama asing kita bakal dapet devisa mungkin 200 miliar dollar. (ini cuman buat ilustrasi doang yah, jangan diprotes) Jadi kalo devisa BI habis, kita dinyatain bangkrut padahal tanah RI itu ada dari Sabang ampe Meroke, itu tanahnya doang belum isinya. Tapi gara gara bayar import dan utang harus pake USD, maka tiap negara diseluruh dunia harus berusaha mendapatkan USD. Dunia memang maenan orang Amerika, udah kebawa sengsara akibat ulah orang Amerika yg bikin krisis, masih mau nurut lagi ngumpulin dollar... hehehe... --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Vincent Chase [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: feeling sy bakal lama neh kemaren bangun tidur denger berita dr cnn, ada berita kalo iceland bakrupt. dulu mulainya dr asian financial krisis, ini jgn sampe mo dimulai european financial crisis Iceland goes bankrupt Posted by: Michael Mandel on October 10That's an amazing sentence: Iceland goes bankrupt. But that's exactly what happened yesterday (see BW piece here. See NY Times piece here). That's a clear sign that the global financial crisis is entering a new and vastly more dangerous phase, where we are paying the price of the lack of a global financial regulator and global central bank. What `bankrupt' means is just that: The country cannot pay back its external debts, and the Icelandic currency, the krona, has become essentially valueless in the rest of the world. That means the country can no longer pay for imports. The Icelandic problems have nothing to do directly with American real estate. As Kerry Capell of BW writes: With the privatization of the banking sector, completed in 2000, Iceland's banks used substantial wholesale funding to finance their entry into the local mortgage market and acquire foreign financial firms, mainly in Britain and Scandinavia In just five years, the banks went from being almost entirely domestic lenders to becoming major international financial intermediaries. In 2000, says Richard Portes, a professor of economics at London Business School, two- thirds of their financing came from domestic sources and one-third from abroad. More recentlyuntil the crisis hitthat ratio was reversed. But as wholesale funding markets seized up, Iceland's banks started to collapse under a mountain of foreign debt. What's worse, with Iceland sitting outside the major currency trading blocs, there may be no one with the incentive or ability to save it. The country is looking for loans from the IMF and from Russia. But the United Kingdom is actually threatening to sue Iceland to get back money. Where does the crisis go next? Most exposed are countries with large amounts of external debt relative to the size of their economy. A quick calculation suggests that by this measure, the U.S. is relatively well off, with external debt about equal to GDP. Japan's external debt is about 40-50% of GDP, as is Canada's (these numbers may change as I refine my calculations). Italy is at about 100%, and Germany and France are in the 140-150% range. From this perspective, the U.S.with its external debt mostly in dollarslooks like a bastion of stability. The euro zone has some weaknessesBelgium and the Netherlands have uncomfortably high debt levels, and Ireland is extremely high. But there is a political framework in place which should allow political leaders to take effective action if they want. The biggest dangers are for the UK and Switzerland. These countries, although much bigger than Iceland, are major financial intermediaries with big external debts. What's more, they are outside the major currency blocs, with debt denominated in foreign currencies. That means if their currency starts to devalue, their debts will become more and more onerous. And now we are in very tricky waters, which are looking uncomfortably like the Great Depression. The major players are the U.S., the Eurozone, Japan, and China. The question is: Will they act collectively, or will they engage beggar-thy neighbor
Re: [obrolan-bandar] Dunia memang goblok...Re: How bad and how long?iceland goes bankrupt?
Mbah, harusnya dapet tanah 50 juta meter persegi tuh $50,000,000,000 x Rp 10,000/$ = Rp 500,000,000,000,000 Rp 500,000,000,000,000 / Rp 10,000,000/m2 = 50,000,000 m2 Itu kira-kira luasnya 7 km x 7 km Salam, Cumi, Cuma Mimpi On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 1:11 PM, jsx_consultant [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Islandia bangkrut karena devisanya nol atau engga punya dollar buat bayar import. Kalo devisa BI yg sekitar 50 miliar dollar habis maka kita tidak bisa bayar utang luar negri karena kita engga bisa bayar pake rupiah. Jadi bangkrut disini adalah bangkrut dari segi valuta asing. Tapi Amerika punya utang luar negri yang begitu gede ENGGA AKAN pernah bangkrut karena dollar adalah mata uang negara Amerika, tinggal nyetak doang... Jadi untuk bayar utang, suatu negara harus mengexport barang, menarik invetasi atau bikin pinjaman valas yg baru. Coba kita bayangin devisa BI yg 50 miliar dollar itu senilai ama apa ?. - Kita ambil harga tanah dipusat kota = 10j/m2. - 50 miliar dollar ini dapet berapa m2 ? - 50 miliar x kurs 10.000/ 10 juta = 500.000 m2 = atau tanah yg luasnya = 700m x 700m = 0,7km x 0,7km, tanah ini masih lebih kecil dari luas MONAS.. Jadi devisa BI masih JAUH lebih kecil dari harga tanah Monas, karena tanah MONAS bisa laku 50j/m2. Jadi kalo Monas dijual ama asing kita bakal dapet devisa mungkin 200 miliar dollar. (ini cuman buat ilustrasi doang yah, jangan diprotes) Jadi kalo devisa BI habis, kita dinyatain bangkrut padahal tanah RI itu ada dari Sabang ampe Meroke, itu tanahnya doang belum isinya. Tapi gara gara bayar import dan utang harus pake USD, maka tiap negara diseluruh dunia harus berusaha mendapatkan USD. Dunia memang maenan orang Amerika, udah kebawa sengsara akibat ulah orang Amerika yg bikin krisis, masih mau nurut lagi ngumpulin dollar... hehehe... --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Vincent Chase [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: feeling sy bakal lama neh kemaren bangun tidur denger berita dr cnn, ada berita kalo iceland bakrupt. dulu mulainya dr asian financial krisis, ini jgn sampe mo dimulai european financial crisis Iceland goes bankrupt Posted by: Michael Mandel on October 10That's an amazing sentence: Iceland goes bankrupt. But that's exactly what happened yesterday (see BW piece here. See NY Times piece here). That's a clear sign that the global financial crisis is entering a new and vastly more dangerous phase, where we are paying the price of the lack of a global financial regulator and global central bank. What `bankrupt' means is just that: The country cannot pay back its external debts, and the Icelandic currency, the krona, has become essentially valueless in the rest of the world. That means the country can no longer pay for imports. The Icelandic problems have nothing to do directly with American real estate. As Kerry Capell of BW writes: With the privatization of the banking sector, completed in 2000, Iceland's banks used substantial wholesale funding to finance their entry into the local mortgage market and acquire foreign financial firms, mainly in Britain and Scandinavia…In just five years, the banks went from being almost entirely domestic lenders to becoming major international financial intermediaries. In 2000, says Richard Portes, a professor of economics at London Business School, two- thirds of their financing came from domestic sources and one-third from abroad. More recently—until the crisis hit—that ratio was reversed. But as wholesale funding markets seized up, Iceland's banks started to collapse under a mountain of foreign debt. What's worse, with Iceland sitting outside the major currency trading blocs, there may be no one with the incentive or ability to save it. The country is looking for loans from the IMF and from Russia. But the United Kingdom is actually threatening to sue Iceland to get back money. Where does the crisis go next? Most exposed are countries with large amounts of external debt relative to the size of their economy. A quick calculation suggests that by this measure, the U.S. is relatively well off, with external debt about equal to GDP. Japan's external debt is about 40-50% of GDP, as is Canada's (these numbers may change as I refine my calculations). Italy is at about 100%, and Germany and France are in the 140-150% range. From this perspective, the U.S.—with its external debt mostly in dollars—looks like a bastion of stability. The euro zone has some weaknesses—Belgium and the Netherlands have uncomfortably high debt levels, and Ireland is extremely high. But there is a political framework in place which should allow political leaders to take effective action if they want. The biggest dangers are for the UK and Switzerland. These countries, although much bigger than Iceland, are major financial intermediaries with big external debts. What's more, they are outside the major currency blocs, with
[obrolan-bandar] Dunia memang goblok...Re: How bad and how long?iceland goes bankrupt?
50 miliar x kurs 10.000/ 10 juta = bukannya 50 juta m2? --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, jsx_consultant [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Islandia bangkrut karena devisanya nol atau engga punya dollar buat bayar import. Kalo devisa BI yg sekitar 50 miliar dollar habis maka kita tidak bisa bayar utang luar negri karena kita engga bisa bayar pake rupiah. Jadi bangkrut disini adalah bangkrut dari segi valuta asing. Tapi Amerika punya utang luar negri yang begitu gede ENGGA AKAN pernah bangkrut karena dollar adalah mata uang negara Amerika, tinggal nyetak doang... Jadi untuk bayar utang, suatu negara harus mengexport barang, menarik invetasi atau bikin pinjaman valas yg baru. Coba kita bayangin devisa BI yg 50 miliar dollar itu senilai ama apa ?. - Kita ambil harga tanah dipusat kota = 10j/m2. - 50 miliar dollar ini dapet berapa m2 ? - 50 miliar x kurs 10.000/ 10 juta = 500.000 m2 = atau tanah yg luasnya = 700m x 700m = 0,7km x 0,7km, tanah ini masih lebih kecil dari luas MONAS.. Jadi devisa BI masih JAUH lebih kecil dari harga tanah Monas, karena tanah MONAS bisa laku 50j/m2. Jadi kalo Monas dijual ama asing kita bakal dapet devisa mungkin 200 miliar dollar. (ini cuman buat ilustrasi doang yah, jangan diprotes) Jadi kalo devisa BI habis, kita dinyatain bangkrut padahal tanah RI itu ada dari Sabang ampe Meroke, itu tanahnya doang belum isinya. Tapi gara gara bayar import dan utang harus pake USD, maka tiap negara diseluruh dunia harus berusaha mendapatkan USD. Dunia memang maenan orang Amerika, udah kebawa sengsara akibat ulah orang Amerika yg bikin krisis, masih mau nurut lagi ngumpulin dollar... hehehe... --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Vincent Chase chase.vincent@ wrote: feeling sy bakal lama neh kemaren bangun tidur denger berita dr cnn, ada berita kalo iceland bakrupt. dulu mulainya dr asian financial krisis, ini jgn sampe mo dimulai european financial crisis Iceland goes bankrupt Posted by: Michael Mandel on October 10That's an amazing sentence: Iceland goes bankrupt. But that's exactly what happened yesterday (see BW piece here. See NY Times piece here). That's a clear sign that the global financial crisis is entering a new and vastly more dangerous phase, where we are paying the price of the lack of a global financial regulator and global central bank. What `bankrupt' means is just that: The country cannot pay back its external debts, and the Icelandic currency, the krona, has become essentially valueless in the rest of the world. That means the country can no longer pay for imports. The Icelandic problems have nothing to do directly with American real estate. As Kerry Capell of BW writes: With the privatization of the banking sector, completed in 2000, Iceland's banks used substantial wholesale funding to finance their entry into the local mortgage market and acquire foreign financial firms, mainly in Britain and Scandinavia In just five years, the banks went from being almost entirely domestic lenders to becoming major international financial intermediaries. In 2000, says Richard Portes, a professor of economics at London Business School, two- thirds of their financing came from domestic sources and one-third from abroad. More recentlyuntil the crisis hitthat ratio was reversed. But as wholesale funding markets seized up, Iceland's banks started to collapse under a mountain of foreign debt. What's worse, with Iceland sitting outside the major currency trading blocs, there may be no one with the incentive or ability to save it. The country is looking for loans from the IMF and from Russia. But the United Kingdom is actually threatening to sue Iceland to get back money. Where does the crisis go next? Most exposed are countries with large amounts of external debt relative to the size of their economy. A quick calculation suggests that by this measure, the U.S. is relatively well off, with external debt about equal to GDP. Japan's external debt is about 40-50% of GDP, as is Canada's (these numbers may change as I refine my calculations). Italy is at about 100%, and Germany and France are in the 140-150% range. From this perspective, the U.S.with its external debt mostly in dollarslooks like a bastion of stability. The euro zone has some weaknessesBelgium and the Netherlands have uncomfortably high debt levels, and Ireland is extremely high. But there is a political framework in place which should allow political leaders to take effective action if they want. The biggest dangers are for the UK and Switzerland. These countries, although much bigger than Iceland, are major financial intermediaries with big external debts. What's more, they are outside the major currency blocs, with debt denominated in foreign currencies. That means if their currency starts to devalue, their debts will become more and more onerous. And
[obrolan-bandar] Dunia memang goblok...Re: How bad and how long?iceland goes bankrupt?
makanya Mbah, dulu Mahattir punya ide agar ASEAN utk ekspor-impornya pakai mata uang lokal aja, ga pakai dollar...mungkin krn dia doktor jadi tahu Iran juga usul agar transaksi jual beli minyak ga pakai dollar...tp arab saudi ga mau :(( selain MONAS, Senayan juga belum di hitung Mbah hehehe... kayanya Mbah cocok juga jd penasehat Gubernur BI...:D --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, jsx_consultant [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Islandia bangkrut karena devisanya nol atau engga punya dollar buat bayar import. Kalo devisa BI yg sekitar 50 miliar dollar habis maka kita tidak bisa bayar utang luar negri karena kita engga bisa bayar pake rupiah. Jadi bangkrut disini adalah bangkrut dari segi valuta asing. Tapi Amerika punya utang luar negri yang begitu gede ENGGA AKAN pernah bangkrut karena dollar adalah mata uang negara Amerika, tinggal nyetak doang... Jadi untuk bayar utang, suatu negara harus mengexport barang, menarik invetasi atau bikin pinjaman valas yg baru. Coba kita bayangin devisa BI yg 50 miliar dollar itu senilai ama apa ?. - Kita ambil harga tanah dipusat kota = 10j/m2. - 50 miliar dollar ini dapet berapa m2 ? - 50 miliar x kurs 10.000/ 10 juta = 500.000 m2 = atau tanah yg luasnya = 700m x 700m = 0,7km x 0,7km, tanah ini masih lebih kecil dari luas MONAS.. Jadi devisa BI masih JAUH lebih kecil dari harga tanah Monas, karena tanah MONAS bisa laku 50j/m2. Jadi kalo Monas dijual ama asing kita bakal dapet devisa mungkin 200 miliar dollar. (ini cuman buat ilustrasi doang yah, jangan diprotes) Jadi kalo devisa BI habis, kita dinyatain bangkrut padahal tanah RI itu ada dari Sabang ampe Meroke, itu tanahnya doang belum isinya. Tapi gara gara bayar import dan utang harus pake USD, maka tiap negara diseluruh dunia harus berusaha mendapatkan USD. Dunia memang maenan orang Amerika, udah kebawa sengsara akibat ulah orang Amerika yg bikin krisis, masih mau nurut lagi ngumpulin dollar... hehehe... --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Vincent Chase chase.vincent@ wrote: feeling sy bakal lama neh kemaren bangun tidur denger berita dr cnn, ada berita kalo iceland bakrupt. dulu mulainya dr asian financial krisis, ini jgn sampe mo dimulai european financial crisis Iceland goes bankrupt Posted by: Michael Mandel on October 10That's an amazing sentence: Iceland goes bankrupt. But that's exactly what happened yesterday (see BW piece here. See NY Times piece here). That's a clear sign that the global financial crisis is entering a new and vastly more dangerous phase, where we are paying the price of the lack of a global financial regulator and global central bank. What `bankrupt' means is just that: The country cannot pay back its external debts, and the Icelandic currency, the krona, has become essentially valueless in the rest of the world. That means the country can no longer pay for imports. The Icelandic problems have nothing to do directly with American real estate. As Kerry Capell of BW writes: With the privatization of the banking sector, completed in 2000, Iceland's banks used substantial wholesale funding to finance their entry into the local mortgage market and acquire foreign financial firms, mainly in Britain and Scandinavia In just five years, the banks went from being almost entirely domestic lenders to becoming major international financial intermediaries. In 2000, says Richard Portes, a professor of economics at London Business School, two- thirds of their financing came from domestic sources and one-third from abroad. More recentlyuntil the crisis hitthat ratio was reversed. But as wholesale funding markets seized up, Iceland's banks started to collapse under a mountain of foreign debt. What's worse, with Iceland sitting outside the major currency trading blocs, there may be no one with the incentive or ability to save it. The country is looking for loans from the IMF and from Russia. But the United Kingdom is actually threatening to sue Iceland to get back money. Where does the crisis go next? Most exposed are countries with large amounts of external debt relative to the size of their economy. A quick calculation suggests that by this measure, the U.S. is relatively well off, with external debt about equal to GDP. Japan's external debt is about 40-50% of GDP, as is Canada's (these numbers may change as I refine my calculations). Italy is at about 100%, and Germany and France are in the 140-150% range. From this perspective, the U.S.with its external debt mostly in dollarslooks like a bastion of stability. The euro zone has some weaknessesBelgium and the Netherlands have uncomfortably high debt levels, and Ireland is extremely high. But there is a political framework in place which should allow political leaders to take effective action if they want. The biggest dangers are for the UK and Switzerland. These countries, although
Re: [obrolan-bandar] Dunia memang goblok...Re: How bad and how long?iceland goes bankrupt?
Balik aja ke jaman dulu, pake emas. Dah jalan ribuan tahun gak ada masalah. Dollar itu cuma ilusi sesaat™ Salam, Cumi, Cuma Mimpi On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 1:25 PM, datasahamku [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: makanya Mbah, dulu Mahattir punya ide agar ASEAN utk ekspor-impornya pakai mata uang lokal aja, ga pakai dollar...mungkin krn dia doktor jadi tahu Iran juga usul agar transaksi jual beli minyak ga pakai dollar...tp arab saudi ga mau :(( selain MONAS, Senayan juga belum di hitung Mbah hehehe... kayanya Mbah cocok juga jd penasehat Gubernur BI...:D --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, jsx_consultant [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Islandia bangkrut karena devisanya nol atau engga punya dollar buat bayar import. Kalo devisa BI yg sekitar 50 miliar dollar habis maka kita tidak bisa bayar utang luar negri karena kita engga bisa bayar pake rupiah. Jadi bangkrut disini adalah bangkrut dari segi valuta asing. Tapi Amerika punya utang luar negri yang begitu gede ENGGA AKAN pernah bangkrut karena dollar adalah mata uang negara Amerika, tinggal nyetak doang... Jadi untuk bayar utang, suatu negara harus mengexport barang, menarik invetasi atau bikin pinjaman valas yg baru. Coba kita bayangin devisa BI yg 50 miliar dollar itu senilai ama apa ?. - Kita ambil harga tanah dipusat kota = 10j/m2. - 50 miliar dollar ini dapet berapa m2 ? - 50 miliar x kurs 10.000/ 10 juta = 500.000 m2 = atau tanah yg luasnya = 700m x 700m = 0,7km x 0,7km, tanah ini masih lebih kecil dari luas MONAS.. Jadi devisa BI masih JAUH lebih kecil dari harga tanah Monas, karena tanah MONAS bisa laku 50j/m2. Jadi kalo Monas dijual ama asing kita bakal dapet devisa mungkin 200 miliar dollar. (ini cuman buat ilustrasi doang yah, jangan diprotes) Jadi kalo devisa BI habis, kita dinyatain bangkrut padahal tanah RI itu ada dari Sabang ampe Meroke, itu tanahnya doang belum isinya. Tapi gara gara bayar import dan utang harus pake USD, maka tiap negara diseluruh dunia harus berusaha mendapatkan USD. Dunia memang maenan orang Amerika, udah kebawa sengsara akibat ulah orang Amerika yg bikin krisis, masih mau nurut lagi ngumpulin dollar... hehehe... --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Vincent Chase chase.vincent@ wrote: feeling sy bakal lama neh kemaren bangun tidur denger berita dr cnn, ada berita kalo iceland bakrupt. dulu mulainya dr asian financial krisis, ini jgn sampe mo dimulai european financial crisis Iceland goes bankrupt Posted by: Michael Mandel on October 10That's an amazing sentence: Iceland goes bankrupt. But that's exactly what happened yesterday (see BW piece here. See NY Times piece here). That's a clear sign that the global financial crisis is entering a new and vastly more dangerous phase, where we are paying the price of the lack of a global financial regulator and global central bank. What `bankrupt' means is just that: The country cannot pay back its external debts, and the Icelandic currency, the krona, has become essentially valueless in the rest of the world. That means the country can no longer pay for imports. The Icelandic problems have nothing to do directly with American real estate. As Kerry Capell of BW writes: With the privatization of the banking sector, completed in 2000, Iceland's banks used substantial wholesale funding to finance their entry into the local mortgage market and acquire foreign financial firms, mainly in Britain and Scandinavia…In just five years, the banks went from being almost entirely domestic lenders to becoming major international financial intermediaries. In 2000, says Richard Portes, a professor of economics at London Business School, two- thirds of their financing came from domestic sources and one-third from abroad. More recently—until the crisis hit—that ratio was reversed. But as wholesale funding markets seized up, Iceland's banks started to collapse under a mountain of foreign debt. What's worse, with Iceland sitting outside the major currency trading blocs, there may be no one with the incentive or ability to save it. The country is looking for loans from the IMF and from Russia. But the United Kingdom is actually threatening to sue Iceland to get back money. Where does the crisis go next? Most exposed are countries with large amounts of external debt relative to the size of their economy. A quick calculation suggests that by this measure, the U.S. is relatively well off, with external debt about equal to GDP. Japan's external debt is about 40-50% of GDP, as is Canada's (these numbers may change as I refine my calculations). Italy is at about 100%, and Germany and France are in the 140-150% range. From this perspective, the U.S.—with its external debt mostly in dollars—looks like a bastion of stability. The euro zone has some weaknesses—Belgium and the Netherlands have uncomfortably high debt levels, and Ireland is extremely high. But there is a
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Nambahin mbah. Sekarang ini, yg defisitnya luar biasa, salah satunya adalah AS. Herannya, seluruh dunia, sadar/tak sadar, mau/tak mau membantu amrik. Coba liat, Yieldnya SUN mereka makin mengecil, harganya makin naik. Ini karena orang rame2 beli SUNnya utk tempat berlindung. Udah gitu, saat krisis gini, harusnya yg paling goncang kan dollar tuh. Eh ... malah orang rame2 borong dollar. Katanya 'safe-heaven' gitu. Kayaknya Amrik juga engga takut bakalan inflasi kalo nyetak dollar tiap hari. Toh tiap hari juga rasa2nya diburu orang ... :-(:-( Engga habis pikir saya. Kok bisa2nya seluruh dunia jadi 'mensubsidi' Amrik. Bukan orang ekonomi, tapi suka merhatiin ekonomi gara2 nyangkut From: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of jsx_consultant Sent: Monday, 27 October 2008 4:12 PM To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: [obrolan-bandar] Dunia memang goblok...Re: How bad and how long?iceland goes bankrupt? Islandia bangkrut karena devisanya nol atau engga punya dollar buat bayar import. Kalo devisa BI yg sekitar 50 miliar dollar habis maka kita tidak bisa bayar utang luar negri karena kita engga bisa bayar pake rupiah. Jadi bangkrut disini adalah bangkrut dari segi valuta asing. Tapi Amerika punya utang luar negri yang begitu gede ENGGA AKAN pernah bangkrut karena dollar adalah mata uang negara Amerika, tinggal nyetak doang... Jadi untuk bayar utang, suatu negara harus mengexport barang, menarik invetasi atau bikin pinjaman valas yg baru. Coba kita bayangin devisa BI yg 50 miliar dollar itu senilai ama apa ?. - Kita ambil harga tanah dipusat kota = 10j/m2. - 50 miliar dollar ini dapet berapa m2 ? - 50 miliar x kurs 10.000/ 10 juta = 500.000 m2 = atau tanah yg luasnya = 700m x 700m = 0,7km x 0,7km, tanah ini masih lebih kecil dari luas MONAS.. Jadi devisa BI masih JAUH lebih kecil dari harga tanah Monas, karena tanah MONAS bisa laku 50j/m2. Jadi kalo Monas dijual ama asing kita bakal dapet devisa mungkin 200 miliar dollar. (ini cuman buat ilustrasi doang yah, jangan diprotes) Jadi kalo devisa BI habis, kita dinyatain bangkrut padahal tanah RI itu ada dari Sabang ampe Meroke, itu tanahnya doang belum isinya. Tapi gara gara bayar import dan utang harus pake USD, maka tiap negara diseluruh dunia harus berusaha mendapatkan USD. Dunia memang maenan orang Amerika, udah kebawa sengsara akibat ulah orang Amerika yg bikin krisis, masih mau nurut lagi ngumpulin dollar... hehehe... --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com mailto:obrolan-bandar%40yahoogroups.com , Vincent Chase [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: feeling sy bakal lama neh kemaren bangun tidur denger berita dr cnn, ada berita kalo iceland bakrupt. dulu mulainya dr asian financial krisis, ini jgn sampe mo dimulai european financial crisis Iceland goes bankrupt Posted by: Michael Mandel on October 10 That's an amazing sentence: Iceland goes bankrupt. But that's exactly what happened yesterday (see BW piece here. See NY Times piece here). That's a clear sign that the global financial crisis is entering a new and vastly more dangerous phase, where we are paying the price of the lack of a global financial regulator and global central bank. What `bankrupt' means is just that: The country cannot pay back its external debts, and the Icelandic currency, the krona, has become essentially valueless in the rest of the world. That means the country can no longer pay for imports. The Icelandic problems have nothing to do directly with American real estate. As Kerry Capell of BW writes: With the privatization of the banking sector, completed in 2000, Iceland's banks used substantial wholesale funding to finance their entry into the local mortgage market and acquire foreign financial firms, mainly in Britain and Scandinavia...In just five years, the banks went from being almost entirely domestic lenders to becoming major international financial intermediaries. In 2000, says Richard Portes, a professor of economics at London Business School, two- thirds of their financing came from domestic sources and one-third from abroad. More recently-until the crisis hit-that ratio was reversed. But as wholesale funding markets seized up, Iceland's banks started to collapse under a mountain of foreign debt. What's worse, with Iceland sitting outside the major currency trading blocs, there may be no one with the incentive or ability to save it. The country is looking for loans from the IMF and from Russia. But the United Kingdom is actually threatening to sue Iceland to get back money. Where does the crisis go next? Most exposed are countries with large amounts of external debt relative to the size of their economy. A quick calculation suggests that by this measure, the U.S. is relatively well off, with external debt about equal to GDP. Japan's external debt is about 40-50% of GDP, as is Canada's (these numbers may change as I refine my calculations). Italy is at about 100
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Tapi utang kan gak semua. USD. , Obligasi pemerintah banyak jg pake Rp skrng Tks Iban Powered by Telkomsel BlackBerry� -Original Message- From: jsx_consultant [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 06:11:43 To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: [obrolan-bandar] Dunia memang goblok...Re: How bad and how long?iceland goes bankrupt? Islandia bangkrut karena devisanya nol atau engga punya dollar buat bayar import. Kalo devisa BI yg sekitar 50 miliar dollar habis maka kita tidak bisa bayar utang luar negri karena kita engga bisa bayar pake rupiah. Jadi bangkrut disini adalah bangkrut dari segi valuta asing. Tapi Amerika punya utang luar negri yang begitu gede ENGGA AKAN pernah bangkrut karena dollar adalah mata uang negara Amerika, tinggal nyetak doang... Jadi untuk bayar utang, suatu negara harus mengexport barang, menarik invetasi atau bikin pinjaman valas yg baru. Coba kita bayangin devisa BI yg 50 miliar dollar itu senilai ama apa ?. - Kita ambil harga tanah dipusat kota = 10j/m2. - 50 miliar dollar ini dapet berapa m2 ? - 50 miliar x kurs 10.000/ 10 juta = 500.000 m2 = atau tanah yg luasnya = 700m x 700m = 0,7km x 0,7km, tanah ini masih lebih kecil dari luas MONAS.. Jadi devisa BI masih JAUH lebih kecil dari harga tanah Monas, karena tanah MONAS bisa laku 50j/m2. Jadi kalo Monas dijual ama asing kita bakal dapet devisa mungkin 200 miliar dollar. (ini cuman buat ilustrasi doang yah, jangan diprotes) Jadi kalo devisa BI habis, kita dinyatain bangkrut padahal tanah RI itu ada dari Sabang ampe Meroke, itu tanahnya doang belum isinya. Tapi gara gara bayar import dan utang harus pake USD, maka tiap negara diseluruh dunia harus berusaha mendapatkan USD. Dunia memang maenan orang Amerika, udah kebawa sengsara akibat ulah orang Amerika yg bikin krisis, masih mau nurut lagi ngumpulin dollar... hehehe... --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Vincent Chase [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: feeling sy bakal lama neh kemaren bangun tidur denger berita dr cnn, ada berita kalo iceland bakrupt. dulu mulainya dr asian financial krisis, ini jgn sampe mo dimulai european financial crisis Iceland goes bankrupt Posted by: Michael Mandel on October 10That's an amazing sentence: Iceland goes bankrupt. But that's exactly what happened yesterday (see BW piece here. See NY Times piece here). That's a clear sign that the global financial crisis is entering a new and vastly more dangerous phase, where we are paying the price of the lack of a global financial regulator and global central bank. What `bankrupt' means is just that: The country cannot pay back its external debts, and the Icelandic currency, the krona, has become essentially valueless in the rest of the world. That means the country can no longer pay for imports. The Icelandic problems have nothing to do directly with American real estate. As Kerry Capell of BW writes: With the privatization of the banking sector, completed in 2000, Iceland's banks used substantial wholesale funding to finance their entry into the local mortgage market and acquire foreign financial firms, mainly in Britain and Scandinavia�In just five years, the banks went from being almost entirely domestic lenders to becoming major international financial intermediaries. In 2000, says Richard Portes, a professor of economics at London Business School, two- thirds of their financing came from domestic sources and one-third from abroad. More recently�until the crisis hit�that ratio was reversed. But as wholesale funding markets seized up, Iceland's banks started to collapse under a mountain of foreign debt. What's worse, with Iceland sitting outside the major currency trading blocs, there may be no one with the incentive or ability to save it. The country is looking for loans from the IMF and from Russia. But the United Kingdom is actually threatening to sue Iceland to get back money. Where does the crisis go next? Most exposed are countries with large amounts of external debt relative to the size of their economy. A quick calculation suggests that by this measure, the U.S. is relatively well off, with external debt about equal to GDP. Japan's external debt is about 40-50% of GDP, as is Canada's (these numbers may change as I refine my calculations). Italy is at about 100%, and Germany and France are in the 140-150% range. From this perspective, the U.S.�with its external debt mostly in dollars�looks like a bastion of stability. The euro zone has some weaknesses�Belgium and the Netherlands have uncomfortably high debt levels, and Ireland is extremely high. But there is a political framework in place which should allow political leaders to take effective action if they want. The biggest dangers are for the UK and Switzerland. These countries, although much bigger than Iceland, are major financial intermediaries with big external debts. What's more, they are outside the major currency blocs, with debt denominated in foreign
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Sekarang itu, AS KRISIS, US$ NAIK AS PULIH, US$ TAMBAH NAIK Serba salah ya ... 2008/10/27, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Nambahin mbah. Sekarang ini, yg defisitnya luar biasa, salah satunya adalah AS. Herannya, seluruh dunia, sadar/tak sadar, mau/tak mau membantu amrik. Coba liat, Yieldnya SUN mereka makin mengecil, harganya makin naik. Ini karena orang rame2 beli SUNnya utk tempat berlindung. Udah gitu, saat krisis gini, harusnya yg paling goncang kan dollar tuh. Eh … malah orang rame2 borong dollar. Katanya 'safe-heaven' gitu. Kayaknya Amrik juga engga takut bakalan inflasi kalo nyetak dollar tiap hari. Toh tiap hari juga rasa2nya diburu orang … LL Engga habis pikir saya. Kok bisa2nya seluruh dunia jadi 'mensubsidi' Amrik. …. *Bukan orang ekonomi, tapi suka merhatiin ekonomi gara2 nyangkut ….* * * *From:* obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *jsx_consultant *Sent:* Monday, 27 October 2008 4:12 PM *To:* obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com *Subject:* [obrolan-bandar] Dunia memang goblok...Re: How bad and how long?iceland goes bankrupt? Islandia bangkrut karena devisanya nol atau engga punya dollar buat bayar import. Kalo devisa BI yg sekitar 50 miliar dollar habis maka kita tidak bisa bayar utang luar negri karena kita engga bisa bayar pake rupiah. Jadi bangkrut disini adalah bangkrut dari segi valuta asing. Tapi Amerika punya utang luar negri yang begitu gede ENGGA AKAN pernah bangkrut karena dollar adalah mata uang negara Amerika, tinggal nyetak doang... Jadi untuk bayar utang, suatu negara harus mengexport barang, menarik invetasi atau bikin pinjaman valas yg baru. Coba kita bayangin devisa BI yg 50 miliar dollar itu senilai ama apa ?. - Kita ambil harga tanah dipusat kota = 10j/m2. - 50 miliar dollar ini dapet berapa m2 ? - 50 miliar x kurs 10.000/ 10 juta = 500.000 m2 = atau tanah yg luasnya = 700m x 700m = 0,7km x 0,7km, tanah ini masih lebih kecil dari luas MONAS.. Jadi devisa BI masih JAUH lebih kecil dari harga tanah Monas, karena tanah MONAS bisa laku 50j/m2. Jadi kalo Monas dijual ama asing kita bakal dapet devisa mungkin 200 miliar dollar. (ini cuman buat ilustrasi doang yah, jangan diprotes) Jadi kalo devisa BI habis, kita dinyatain bangkrut padahal tanah RI itu ada dari Sabang ampe Meroke, itu tanahnya doang belum isinya. Tapi gara gara bayar import dan utang harus pake USD, maka tiap negara diseluruh dunia harus berusaha mendapatkan USD. Dunia memang maenan orang Amerika, udah kebawa sengsara akibat ulah orang Amerika yg bikin krisis, masih mau nurut lagi ngumpulin dollar... hehehe... --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com obrolan-bandar%40yahoogroups.com, Vincent Chase [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: feeling sy bakal lama neh kemaren bangun tidur denger berita dr cnn, ada berita kalo iceland bakrupt. dulu mulainya dr asian financial krisis, ini jgn sampe mo dimulai european financial crisis Iceland goes bankrupt Posted by: Michael Mandel on October 10 That's an amazing sentence: Iceland goes bankrupt. But that's exactly what happened yesterday (see BW piece here. See NY Times piece here). That's a clear sign that the global financial crisis is entering a new and vastly more dangerous phase, where we are paying the price of the lack of a global financial regulator and global central bank. What `bankrupt' means is just that: The country cannot pay back its external debts, and the Icelandic currency, the krona, has become essentially valueless in the rest of the world. That means the country can no longer pay for imports. The Icelandic problems have nothing to do directly with American real estate. As Kerry Capell of BW writes: With the privatization of the banking sector, completed in 2000, Iceland's banks used substantial wholesale funding to finance their entry into the local mortgage market and acquire foreign financial firms, mainly in Britain and Scandinavia…In just five years, the banks went from being almost entirely domestic lenders to becoming major international financial intermediaries. In 2000, says Richard Portes, a professor of economics at London Business School, two- thirds of their financing came from domestic sources and one-third from abroad. More recently—until the crisis hit—that ratio was reversed. But as wholesale funding markets seized up, Iceland's banks started to collapse under a mountain of foreign debt. What's worse, with Iceland sitting outside the major currency trading blocs, there may be no one with the incentive or ability to save it. The country is looking for loans from the IMF and from Russia. But the United Kingdom is actually threatening to sue Iceland to get back money. Where does the crisis go next? Most exposed are countries with large amounts of external debt relative to the size of their economy. A quick calculation suggests that by this measure, the U.S. is relatively well off
[obrolan-bandar] Dunia memang goblok...Re: How bad and how long?iceland goes bankrupt?
--- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Juragan Cumi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mbah, harusnya dapet tanah 50 juta meter persegi tuh $50,000,000,000 x Rp 10,000/$ = Rp 500,000,000,000,000 Rp 500,000,000,000,000 / Rp 10,000,000/m2 = 50,000,000 m2 Itu kira-kira luasnya 7 km x 7 km Waduh, embah yg goblok... Segede Jakarta Pusat mengkali yah... Salam, Cumi, Cuma Mimpi On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 1:11 PM, jsx_consultant [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Islandia bangkrut karena devisanya nol atau engga punya dollar buat bayar import. Kalo devisa BI yg sekitar 50 miliar dollar habis maka kita tidak bisa bayar utang luar negri karena kita engga bisa bayar pake rupiah. Jadi bangkrut disini adalah bangkrut dari segi valuta asing. Tapi Amerika punya utang luar negri yang begitu gede ENGGA AKAN pernah bangkrut karena dollar adalah mata uang negara Amerika, tinggal nyetak doang... Jadi untuk bayar utang, suatu negara harus mengexport barang, menarik invetasi atau bikin pinjaman valas yg baru. Coba kita bayangin devisa BI yg 50 miliar dollar itu senilai ama apa ?. - Kita ambil harga tanah dipusat kota = 10j/m2. - 50 miliar dollar ini dapet berapa m2 ? - 50 miliar x kurs 10.000/ 10 juta = 500.000 m2 = atau tanah yg luasnya = 700m x 700m = 0,7km x 0,7km, tanah ini masih lebih kecil dari luas MONAS.. Jadi devisa BI masih JAUH lebih kecil dari harga tanah Monas, karena tanah MONAS bisa laku 50j/m2. Jadi kalo Monas dijual ama asing kita bakal dapet devisa mungkin 200 miliar dollar. (ini cuman buat ilustrasi doang yah, jangan diprotes) Jadi kalo devisa BI habis, kita dinyatain bangkrut padahal tanah RI itu ada dari Sabang ampe Meroke, itu tanahnya doang belum isinya. Tapi gara gara bayar import dan utang harus pake USD, maka tiap negara diseluruh dunia harus berusaha mendapatkan USD. Dunia memang maenan orang Amerika, udah kebawa sengsara akibat ulah orang Amerika yg bikin krisis, masih mau nurut lagi ngumpulin dollar... hehehe... --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Vincent Chase chase.vincent@ wrote: feeling sy bakal lama neh kemaren bangun tidur denger berita dr cnn, ada berita kalo iceland bakrupt. dulu mulainya dr asian financial krisis, ini jgn sampe mo dimulai european financial crisis Iceland goes bankrupt Posted by: Michael Mandel on October 10That's an amazing sentence: Iceland goes bankrupt. But that's exactly what happened yesterday (see BW piece here. See NY Times piece here). That's a clear sign that the global financial crisis is entering a new and vastly more dangerous phase, where we are paying the price of the lack of a global financial regulator and global central bank. What `bankrupt' means is just that: The country cannot pay back its external debts, and the Icelandic currency, the krona, has become essentially valueless in the rest of the world. That means the country can no longer pay for imports. The Icelandic problems have nothing to do directly with American real estate. As Kerry Capell of BW writes: With the privatization of the banking sector, completed in 2000, Iceland's banks used substantial wholesale funding to finance their entry into the local mortgage market and acquire foreign financial firms, mainly in Britain and Scandinavia In just five years, the banks went from being almost entirely domestic lenders to becoming major international financial intermediaries. In 2000, says Richard Portes, a professor of economics at London Business School, two- thirds of their financing came from domestic sources and one-third from abroad. More recentlyuntil the crisis hitthat ratio was reversed. But as wholesale funding markets seized up, Iceland's banks started to collapse under a mountain of foreign debt. What's worse, with Iceland sitting outside the major currency trading blocs, there may be no one with the incentive or ability to save it. The country is looking for loans from the IMF and from Russia. But the United Kingdom is actually threatening to sue Iceland to get back money. Where does the crisis go next? Most exposed are countries with large amounts of external debt relative to the size of their economy. A quick calculation suggests that by this measure, the U.S. is relatively well off, with external debt about equal to GDP. Japan's external debt is about 40-50% of GDP, as is Canada's (these numbers may change as I refine my calculations). Italy is at about 100%, and Germany and France are in the 140-150% range. From this perspective, the U.S.with its external debt mostly in dollarslooks like a bastion of stability. The euro zone has some weaknessesBelgium and the Netherlands have uncomfortably high debt levels, and Ireland is extremely high. But there is a political framework in place which should allow political
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--- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tapi utang kan gak semua. USD. , Obligasi pemerintah banyak jg pake Rp skrng Kalo bayar pake rupiah sih engga ganggu devisa...
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Sejak kemarin BEI ikut digiring memperingati ultah kejadian 79 th yl di Amrik, kok bisa pas ya??? *Friday was the 79th anniversary of the day that, according to many market historians, the October 1929 stock market crash began. Selling began on Thursday, Oct. 24, and accelerated the following week on the days that have since become known as Black Monday and Black Tuesday, Oct 28 and 29.* 2008/10/27 indeks bei3000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sekarang itu, AS KRISIS, US$ NAIK AS PULIH, US$ TAMBAH NAIK Serba salah ya ... 2008/10/27, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Nambahin mbah. Sekarang ini, yg defisitnya luar biasa, salah satunya adalah AS. Herannya, seluruh dunia, sadar/tak sadar, mau/tak mau membantu amrik. Coba liat, Yieldnya SUN mereka makin mengecil, harganya makin naik. Ini karena orang rame2 beli SUNnya utk tempat berlindung. Udah gitu, saat krisis gini, harusnya yg paling goncang kan dollar tuh. Eh … malah orang rame2 borong dollar. Katanya 'safe-heaven' gitu. Kayaknya Amrik juga engga takut bakalan inflasi kalo nyetak dollar tiap hari. Toh tiap hari juga rasa2nya diburu orang … LL Engga habis pikir saya. Kok bisa2nya seluruh dunia jadi 'mensubsidi' Amrik. …. *Bukan orang ekonomi, tapi suka merhatiin ekonomi gara2 nyangkut ….* * * *From:* obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *jsx_consultant *Sent:* Monday, 27 October 2008 4:12 PM *To:* obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com *Subject:* [obrolan-bandar] Dunia memang goblok...Re: How bad and how long?iceland goes bankrupt? Islandia bangkrut karena devisanya nol atau engga punya dollar buat bayar import. Kalo devisa BI yg sekitar 50 miliar dollar habis maka kita tidak bisa bayar utang luar negri karena kita engga bisa bayar pake rupiah. Jadi bangkrut disini adalah bangkrut dari segi valuta asing. Tapi Amerika punya utang luar negri yang begitu gede ENGGA AKAN pernah bangkrut karena dollar adalah mata uang negara Amerika, tinggal nyetak doang... Jadi untuk bayar utang, suatu negara harus mengexport barang, menarik invetasi atau bikin pinjaman valas yg baru. Coba kita bayangin devisa BI yg 50 miliar dollar itu senilai ama apa ?. - Kita ambil harga tanah dipusat kota = 10j/m2. - 50 miliar dollar ini dapet berapa m2 ? - 50 miliar x kurs 10.000/ 10 juta = 500.000 m2 = atau tanah yg luasnya = 700m x 700m = 0,7km x 0,7km, tanah ini masih lebih kecil dari luas MONAS.. Jadi devisa BI masih JAUH lebih kecil dari harga tanah Monas, karena tanah MONAS bisa laku 50j/m2. Jadi kalo Monas dijual ama asing kita bakal dapet devisa mungkin 200 miliar dollar. (ini cuman buat ilustrasi doang yah, jangan diprotes) Jadi kalo devisa BI habis, kita dinyatain bangkrut padahal tanah RI itu ada dari Sabang ampe Meroke, itu tanahnya doang belum isinya. Tapi gara gara bayar import dan utang harus pake USD, maka tiap negara diseluruh dunia harus berusaha mendapatkan USD. Dunia memang maenan orang Amerika, udah kebawa sengsara akibat ulah orang Amerika yg bikin krisis, masih mau nurut lagi ngumpulin dollar... hehehe... --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com obrolan-bandar%40yahoogroups.com, Vincent Chase [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: feeling sy bakal lama neh kemaren bangun tidur denger berita dr cnn, ada berita kalo iceland bakrupt. dulu mulainya dr asian financial krisis, ini jgn sampe mo dimulai european financial crisis Iceland goes bankrupt Posted by: Michael Mandel on October 10 That's an amazing sentence: Iceland goes bankrupt. But that's exactly what happened yesterday (see BW piece here. See NY Times piece here). That's a clear sign that the global financial crisis is entering a new and vastly more dangerous phase, where we are paying the price of the lack of a global financial regulator and global central bank. What `bankrupt' means is just that: The country cannot pay back its external debts, and the Icelandic currency, the krona, has become essentially valueless in the rest of the world. That means the country can no longer pay for imports. The Icelandic problems have nothing to do directly with American real estate. As Kerry Capell of BW writes: With the privatization of the banking sector, completed in 2000, Iceland's banks used substantial wholesale funding to finance their entry into the local mortgage market and acquire foreign financial firms, mainly in Britain and Scandinavia…In just five years, the banks went from being almost entirely domestic lenders to becoming major international financial intermediaries. In 2000, says Richard Portes, a professor of economics at London Business School, two- thirds of their financing came from domestic sources and one-third from abroad. More recently—until the crisis hit—that ratio was reversed. But as wholesale funding markets seized up, Iceland's banks started to collapse under a mountain of foreign debt. What's worse, with Iceland sitting outside the major currency trading blocs
Re: [obrolan-bandar] Dunia memang goblok...Re: How bad and how long?iceland goes bankrupt?
USD 50 milyar dgn kurs 1dollar = Rp 10.000 dapat Rp 500 Trilyun. Kalau harga tanah 10 juta dapat 50 juta m2, atau 50 Km2. Luas Jakarta 650 km2., 1/13 luas Jakarta. 1/4 luas Manhattan City, USA. --- On Mon, 10/27/08, jsx_consultant [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: jsx_consultant [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [obrolan-bandar] Dunia memang goblok...Re: How bad and how long?iceland goes bankrupt? To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, October 27, 2008, 2:11 AM Islandia bangkrut karena devisanya nol atau engga punya dollar buat bayar import. Kalo devisa BI yg sekitar 50 miliar dollar habis maka kita tidak bisa bayar utang luar negri karena kita engga bisa bayar pake rupiah. Jadi bangkrut disini adalah bangkrut dari segi valuta asing. Tapi Amerika punya utang luar negri yang begitu gede ENGGA AKAN pernah bangkrut karena dollar adalah mata uang negara Amerika, tinggal nyetak doang... Jadi untuk bayar utang, suatu negara harus mengexport barang, menarik invetasi atau bikin pinjaman valas yg baru. Coba kita bayangin devisa BI yg 50 miliar dollar itu senilai ama apa ?. - Kita ambil harga tanah dipusat kota = 10j/m2. - 50 miliar dollar ini dapet berapa m2 ? - 50 miliar x kurs 10.000/ 10 juta = 500.000 m2 = atau tanah yg luasnya = 700m x 700m = 0,7km x 0,7km, tanah ini masih lebih kecil dari luas MONAS.. Jadi devisa BI masih JAUH lebih kecil dari harga tanah Monas, karena tanah MONAS bisa laku 50j/m2. Jadi kalo Monas dijual ama asing kita bakal dapet devisa mungkin 200 miliar dollar. (ini cuman buat ilustrasi doang yah, jangan diprotes) Jadi kalo devisa BI habis, kita dinyatain bangkrut padahal tanah RI itu ada dari Sabang ampe Meroke, itu tanahnya doang belum isinya. Tapi gara gara bayar import dan utang harus pake USD, maka tiap negara diseluruh dunia harus berusaha mendapatkan USD. Dunia memang maenan orang Amerika, udah kebawa sengsara akibat ulah orang Amerika yg bikin krisis, masih mau nurut lagi ngumpulin dollar... hehehe... --- In obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. com, Vincent Chase chase.vincent@ ... wrote: feeling sy bakal lama neh kemaren bangun tidur denger berita dr cnn, ada berita kalo iceland bakrupt. dulu mulainya dr asian financial krisis, ini jgn sampe mo dimulai european financial crisis Iceland goes bankrupt Posted by: Michael Mandel on October 10That's an amazing sentence: Iceland goes bankrupt. But that's exactly what happened yesterday (see BW piece here. See NY Times piece here). That's a clear sign that the global financial crisis is entering a new and vastly more dangerous phase, where we are paying the price of the lack of a global financial regulator and global central bank. What `bankrupt' means is just that: The country cannot pay back its external debts, and the Icelandic currency, the krona, has become essentially valueless in the rest of the world. That means the country can no longer pay for imports. The Icelandic problems have nothing to do directly with American real estate. As Kerry Capell of BW writes: With the privatization of the banking sector, completed in 2000, Iceland's banks used substantial wholesale funding to finance their entry into the local mortgage market and acquire foreign financial firms, mainly in Britain and Scandinavia…In just five years, the banks went from being almost entirely domestic lenders to becoming major international financial intermediaries. In 2000, says Richard Portes, a professor of economics at London Business School, two- thirds of their financing came from domestic sources and one-third from abroad. More recently—until the crisis hit—that ratio was reversed. But as wholesale funding markets seized up, Iceland's banks started to collapse under a mountain of foreign debt. What's worse, with Iceland sitting outside the major currency trading blocs, there may be no one with the incentive or ability to save it. The country is looking for loans from the IMF and from Russia. But the United Kingdom is actually threatening to sue Iceland to get back money. Where does the crisis go next? Most exposed are countries with large amounts of external debt relative to the size of their economy. A quick calculation suggests that by this measure, the U.S. is relatively well off, with external debt about equal to GDP. Japan's external debt is about 40-50% of GDP, as is Canada's (these numbers may change as I refine my calculations) . Italy is at about 100%, and Germany and France are in the 140-150% range. From this perspective, the U.S.—with its external debt mostly in dollars—looks like a bastion of stability. The euro zone has some weaknesses—Belgium and the Netherlands have uncomfortably high debt levels, and Ireland is extremely high. But there is a political framework in place which should allow political leaders to take effective action
