Bls: [obrolan-bandar] Re: Oil May Fall Below $25 Next Year, Merrill Lynch Says

[jkunci]

Mungkin $34.8 untuk pengiriman bln januari dan $41 untk kontrak
berjangka bulan febuari ya...

Salam,
jkunci

--- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, kepunton2...@... wrote:
>
> Malam  ini  price OIL sudah $ 34.8. Tapi di CNBC koq masih $ 41 ya?
> 
> --- On Fri, 12/5/08, Provokator Saham  wrote:
> From: Provokator Saham 
> Subject: Bls: [obrolan-bandar] Re: Oil May Fall Below $25 Next Year,
Merrill Lynch Says
> To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Friday, December 5, 2008, 4:55 PM
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> --- In obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. com, dario kurniawan
> 
>  wrote:
> 
> >
> 
> > hmmm...oil ke $25, berarti bensin kita balik ke 3500 donk...naik bis
> 
> 1500 lagi..senangnya bisa jalan2 jauh lagi..harga sembako bisa turun
> 
> lagi...gizi makanan membaik deh..
> 
> > 
> 
> > btw oil ke $25 dengan asumsi tidak ada perubahan kuota OPEC ?
> 
> > 
> 
> 
> 
> Wangsit oil berada $40-45 baru saja KEJADIAN
> 
> Sekarang ini sudah ditambah2i akan menuju $25/barrel.
> 
> Semua ini tinggal percaya atau tidak percaya!?
> 
> 
> 
> Pertanyannya apakah ada yg tahu MOTIFnya kenapa oil "diajak" turun
terus?
>

Re: Bls: [obrolan-bandar] Re: Oil May Fall Below $25 Next Year, Merrill Lynch Says

[kepunton2000]

Malam  ini  price OIL sudah $ 34.8. Tapi di CNBC koq masih $ 41 ya?

--- On Fri, 12/5/08, Provokator Saham  wrote:
From: Provokator Saham 
Subject: Bls: [obrolan-bandar] Re: Oil May Fall Below $25 Next Year, Merrill 
Lynch Says
To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, December 5, 2008, 4:55 PM











--- In obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. com, dario kurniawan

 wrote:

>

> hmmm...oil ke $25, berarti bensin kita balik ke 3500 donk...naik bis

1500 lagi..senangnya bisa jalan2 jauh lagi..harga sembako bisa turun

lagi...gizi makanan membaik deh..

> 

> btw oil ke $25 dengan asumsi tidak ada perubahan kuota OPEC ?

> 



Wangsit oil berada $40-45 baru saja KEJADIAN

Sekarang ini sudah ditambah2i akan menuju $25/barrel.

Semua ini tinggal percaya atau tidak percaya!?



Pertanyannya apakah ada yg tahu MOTIFnya kenapa oil "diajak" turun terus?




  




 

















  

Re: [obrolan-bandar] Re: Oil May Fall Below $25 Next Year, Merrill Lynch Says

[Paulus Tangke Allo]

ketika harga minyak diatas USD100, banyak orang yang sangsi kalau
minyak akan turun dibawah USD 80,
tapi nyatanya kejadian juga...

sepertinya sejarah memang akan terulang kembali


--pta

[obrolan-bandar] Re: Oil May Fall Below $25 Next Year, Merrill Lynch Says

[tjetjun]

ikut kasih pendapat aja, lihat yang SPBU aja, waktu turun malah 
protes rugi, waktu naik ngak protes untung.. jadi liat dari otak 
pedagang aja, pasti mau untung yang lebih besar

--- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, "lawlegalious" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> pak halim saya mau tanya, begini :
> 
> tukang jualan gorengan kok masih harganya 500-800 gini kan situ pake
> minyak goreng dah murah, tepung juga, bahan-bahan juga udah turun,
> apanya yang naik lagi.. berarti mereka punya profit lebih tinggi 
lagi..
> 
> kok jualan baju, ngak turun tapi discount aja, pdahal sebenarnya 
sudah
> turun, katakanlah semua produk tidak turun tapi sebenarnya di
> discount, dan dibuat pake bla-bla yang sebenarnya bisa dikatakan 
harga
> tersebut turun...
> 
> lalu ada lagi, BBM kok ngak turun, karna katanya minyak di MOPS, 
atau
> apalah itu masih tinggi,,, bla...bla...
> 
> yang saya mau tanya, adalah apakah SEMUA HARGA TENTANG KOMODITAS
> SELAMANYA SUPPLY-DEMAND... karena bukankah di sistem finasial ada
> banyak sekali tools ataupun produk atau apapun namanya yang bisa
> "MEMODIFIKASI" SUPPLY-DEMAND yang "RIIL"
> 
> hanya bertanya?
> 
> salam
> 
> --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, "Halim Mintareja" 
> wrote:
> >
> > Ada guna lainnya lagi pak DE
> > 
> > sebagai bahan gorengan. (tempat parkir duit sementara)
> > 
> > Hal inilah yang buat oil naik dari 10 ke 147 ha.ha
> > 
> > Gimana gak naik..kalau misal riil demand untuk konsumsi sekitar
> 8Gpy... tapi
> > untuk investasi butuh 100Gpy
> > 
> > ha.ha...
> > 
> > On Fri, Dec 5, 2008 at 7:29 PM, Dean Earwicker
> wrote:
> > 
> > >  Berikut adalah konsumsi minyak dunia, terlihat TIDAK ADA
> PENURUNAN DEMAND
> > > RIIL walaupun beberapa kali bursa dunia crash (1970, 1987, 
2001).
> Kalau pun
> > > ada tidak signifikan dan secara long term tetap naik.
> > >
> > > Crude oil bukan hanya untuk bahan bakar, tapi juga pembuatan
> plastik, tar,
> > > petrochemical, dst yang TIDAK TERGANTIKAN oleh sumber lain 
(secara
> ekonomis)
> > >
> > > Kecuali orang udah seneng pake kondom recycle.. nah itu baru
> repot.. heheh
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > > DE
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > 
> > >
> >
>

[obrolan-bandar] Re: Oil May Fall Below $25 Next Year, Merrill Lynch Says

[lawlegalious]

pak halim saya mau tanya, begini :

tukang jualan gorengan kok masih harganya 500-800 gini kan situ pake
minyak goreng dah murah, tepung juga, bahan-bahan juga udah turun,
apanya yang naik lagi.. berarti mereka punya profit lebih tinggi lagi..

kok jualan baju, ngak turun tapi discount aja, pdahal sebenarnya sudah
turun, katakanlah semua produk tidak turun tapi sebenarnya di
discount, dan dibuat pake bla-bla yang sebenarnya bisa dikatakan harga
tersebut turun...

lalu ada lagi, BBM kok ngak turun, karna katanya minyak di MOPS, atau
apalah itu masih tinggi,,, bla...bla...

yang saya mau tanya, adalah apakah SEMUA HARGA TENTANG KOMODITAS
SELAMANYA SUPPLY-DEMAND... karena bukankah di sistem finasial ada
banyak sekali tools ataupun produk atau apapun namanya yang bisa
"MEMODIFIKASI" SUPPLY-DEMAND yang "RIIL"

hanya bertanya?

salam

--- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, "Halim Mintareja" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>
> Ada guna lainnya lagi pak DE
> 
> sebagai bahan gorengan. (tempat parkir duit sementara)
> 
> Hal inilah yang buat oil naik dari 10 ke 147 ha.ha
> 
> Gimana gak naik..kalau misal riil demand untuk konsumsi sekitar
8Gpy... tapi
> untuk investasi butuh 100Gpy
> 
> ha.ha...
> 
> On Fri, Dec 5, 2008 at 7:29 PM, Dean Earwicker
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:
> 
> >  Berikut adalah konsumsi minyak dunia, terlihat TIDAK ADA
PENURUNAN DEMAND
> > RIIL walaupun beberapa kali bursa dunia crash (1970, 1987, 2001).
Kalau pun
> > ada tidak signifikan dan secara long term tetap naik.
> >
> > Crude oil bukan hanya untuk bahan bakar, tapi juga pembuatan
plastik, tar,
> > petrochemical, dst yang TIDAK TERGANTIKAN oleh sumber lain (secara
ekonomis)
> >
> > Kecuali orang udah seneng pake kondom recycle.. nah itu baru
repot.. heheh
> >
> > Regards,
> > DE
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > 
> >
>

Bls: [obrolan-bandar] Re: Oil May Fall Below $25 Next Year, Merrill Lynch Says

[edwinkdr]

Wah..Tks banget Pak Link Google Translatornya :-) (baru tahu)

Mantap sekali:-)

Bisa translate web juga ya
http://translate.google.co.id/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.incrediblecharts.com%2Ftechnical%2Ftechnical_analysis.php&hl=id&ie=UTF-8&sl=en&tl=id

Cocok dech buat saya yg masih primitif...
Jadi gampang sekarang terjemahinnya.

Dari OB juga bisaha ha

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Link Open Subscriber :
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Habis baca milis sebelah : (Eyang Ratman)
http://finance.groups.yahoo.com/group/junior_Trader/message/42186

Syarat :
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Tapi syarat keempat
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Hwaduh...mati aku
biasanya kalo ini saya sering ganti dengan ngutak atik gambar selain
bahasa isyaratha ha

Maklum IQ pas-pas-an gitu lho.

http://ketawa.com/humor-lucu/det/5087/jadi_orang_pas_pas_an.html


Bagi newbie - Belajar berenang sebelum tejun ke danau
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Sambil menunggu suasana yang baik mari kita belajar sendiri.  

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--- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, pram <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Ini hasil terjemahan posting Ratu Sima menggunakan
>
http://translate.google.co.id/translate(google
> saja kesulitan nerjemahin postingan Ratu Sima).
> 

Re: Bls: [obrolan-bandar] Re: Oil May Fall Below $25 Next Year, Merrill Lynch Says

[pram]

Ini hasil terjemahan posting Ratu Sima menggunakan
http://translate.google.co.id/translate(google
saja kesulitan nerjemahin postingan Ratu Sima).

Hasilnya:
Pertanyaan Anda sangat naif namun lucu.

Biaya sewa truk tangki-mutlak MAHAL, Letnan!
Jadi secara sistematis, pemindahannya telah menjual cashing dan mereka
hoarded item seiring dengan agenda politik mereka disembunyikan.

Satu hal yang luar prediksi Anda adalah aliran minyak ini.
Penyerahan perkhidmatan ini taqwa STUFF dilakukan diluar pasar yang
terlihat
(licik).
Mempunyai hoarders pertukaran dengan hoarders lain.
Dalam skenario ini, penurunan harga minyak dilakukan pada
langkah-demi-langkah sebagai dasar
ekonomi global bertambah buruk.

Kebanyakan orang berpikir sebagai downturning dari berkurangnya permintaan
pasar global, tetapi tidak hanya berdiri pada logika.


Minyak $ 25,  Dow, S & P 500 666 .

AMITABHA 

RATU Sima,
Itulah pandangan KALINGGA kerajaan, java

On Fri, Dec 5, 2008 at 8:10 PM, RATU SIMA <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>   "Pertanyannya apakah ada yg tahu MOTIFnya kenapa oil "diajak" turun
> terus?"
>
>
>
>
> Ha ha ha, LETKOL OENTOENG...
> Your question is so naive yet funny.
>
> The cost of tanker-rental is ABSOLUTELY EXPENSIVE, Lieutenant!
> So systematically, speculators have been selling and cashing out their
> hoarded stuff concomitant with their hidden political agenda.
>
> One thing that is beyond your prediction is the flow of this oil.
> The handover of this GODLY STUFF is done beyond the visible markets
> (underhand).
> Simply put, hoarders exchange with other hoarders.
> In this scenario, the oil price decline is done on step-by-step basis as
> the global economy is deteriorating.
>
> Most people think it as downturning of global market diminishing demand,
> but it doesn't solely stand on that logic.
>
>
> Oil $25, Dow , S & P 500 666.
>
> AMITABHA
>
> RATU SIMA,
> THE UNITED KINGDOM OF KALINGGA, JAVA
>
>
>
>
>
>
>  
>

[obrolan-bandar] Re: Oil May Fall Below $25 Next Year, Merrill Lynch Says

[qasuaribo]

--- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, "Dean Earwicker"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>  Berikut adalah konsumsi minyak dunia, terlihat TIDAK ADA PENURUNAN
DEMAND
> RIIL walaupun beberapa kali bursa dunia crash (1970, 1987, 2001).
Kalau pun
> ada tidak signifikan dan secara long term tetap naik.
> 
> Crude oil bukan hanya untuk bahan bakar, tapi juga pembuatan
plastik, tar,
> petrochemical, dst yang TIDAK TERGANTIKAN oleh sumber lain (secara
ekonomis)
> 
> Kecuali orang udah seneng pake kondom recycle.. nah itu baru repot..
heheh
> 
> Regards,
> DE
> 
>

That's right Sir, supply demand OIL sebenarnya relatif tidak
berfluktuasi tinggi, ada minimum konsumsi yang tidak pernah terlewati
malah (silaken tanya sama OIL CO's, kenapa mereka terus nyari sumur
baru dan invest yang kagak murah ???).

Kalo masalah harga, kenapa kemarin dengan cepat bisa ke $147 ???
padahal Arab sono juga udah bilang demand kagak naek signifikan koq?
paling tambhan dikit karena olimpiade ?.

Sekarang mo ke $25, ya bisa-bisa aja (mungkin) karena ada yang NGATUR
alias ATURABLE. untuk 'ngatur' ini costnya juga ada termasuk mbayarin
tukang ngomongnya mo ML ato siapa aja. 

Inti dari semua ini adalah turunin semua harga komoditi energi (OIL
sbg biangkerok) sehingga yang lain juga ikut turun (Kemarin katanya
SOROS dkk pada belanja COAL CO's, rite ???). Kumpulin (baca ambil)
semua pemilik komoditi tsb kalo bisa, setelah itu siap-siap angkat
dengan tampilnya the new presidet of US.

Who's behind of this agenda ??? tau ndirilah, siapa lagi kalo bukan
BUSH SHIT, sebagai obyekan terakhir sebelum lengser. !!! hehehehe

analisa denkoel ajah.

Re: [obrolan-bandar] Re: Oil May Fall Below $25 Next Year, Merrill Lynch Says

[deni]

pak.

perang dunia II yg parah saja masih bisa di lewati, perang dingin dua
idialis saja bisa juga lewati, jerman yg carut marut jaman hitler, korea
utara dan selatan perang, jepang ancur waktu perang dunia II, tahun 90
juga ekonomi jepang parahakhirnya bisa dilewati jugakan.

Yg penting untuk negara indonesia tercinta ini, harus ada inovasi,
birokrasi yg mendukung, iklim investasi baik, budaya bangsa cinta sama
produk dalam negeri...dan lain sebagainya.

intinya kita harus punya keunggulan komparatif juga disektor ril, sektor
pertanian digarap lagi, tidak hanya komoditas sebagai andalanbisa
engga ya? jadi ikut pisimis seperti pak investorindonesia...

hanya opini pribadi,
D



> Maaf pak..mengenai booming 2012..dengan negara negara maju yang terus
> mengencangkan ikat pinggang dan merubah pola hidup nya...nanti di 2012
> seandainya industri Asia masih produksi barang pun, yang beli siapa
> ya..Diantara sesama negara Asia saja, sudah saling gontok gontokan cari
> market :)andalkan domestic market, sepertinya masih belum kuat
> menyerap.andrew
>
> --- Pada Jum, 5/12/08, Marlow Riza <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> menulis:
> abis itu kita jual mahal lagi when industrial booming again in 2012 
>
>
>
>
>   
> ___
> Dapatkan alamat Email baru Anda!
> Dapatkan nama yang selalu Anda inginkan sebelum diambil orang lain!
> http://mail.promotions.yahoo.com/newdomains/id/

Re: Bls: [obrolan-bandar] Re: Oil May Fall Below $25 Next Year, Merrill Lynch Says

[Melisa Lais]

Bukannya COST terbesar oil tanker = OIL juga, jadi jika Oil turun, otomatis
COST Tanker juga turun.

2008/12/5 RATU SIMA <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

>   "Pertanyannya apakah ada yg tahu MOTIFnya kenapa oil "diajak" turun
> terus?"
>
>
>
>
> Ha ha ha, LETKOL OENTOENG...
> Your question is so naive yet funny.
>
> The cost of tanker-rental is ABSOLUTELY EXPENSIVE, Lieutenant!
> So systematically, speculators have been selling and cashing out their
> hoarded stuff concomitant with their hidden political agenda.
>
> One thing that is beyond your prediction is the flow of this oil.
> The handover of this GODLY STUFF is done beyond the visible markets
> (underhand).
> Simply put, hoarders exchange with other hoarders.
> In this scenario, the oil price decline is done on step-by-step basis as
> the global economy is deteriorating.
>
> Most people think it as downturning of global market diminishing demand,
> but it doesn't solely stand on that logic.
>
>
> Oil $25, Dow , S & P 500 666.
>
> AMITABHA
>
> RATU SIMA,
> THE UNITED KINGDOM OF KALINGGA, JAVA
>
>
>
>
>
>
>  
>

Re: [obrolan-bandar] Re: Oil May Fall Below $25 Next Year, Merrill Lynch Says

[deni]

Logika saya sederhana saja, harga minyak di USD25/barel, sedangkan biaya
produksi minyak USD30,...apa orang arab engga males berproduksi? apa
kontraktor2 US (exon, dan cs) tidak menyetop produksinya..NOMBOK DONG
kalau produksiakhirnya supply akan menurun lagi, dan harga akan
mengadjust sendirinya...tapi hanya TEMPORARY alau kejadian oil di
USD25...biasalah ML kasih target tinggi, kalau mendonwgrade seenak mereka
aja...

D


> Setuju pak DE konsumsi minyak secara logika tidak akan turun berjalan
> dengan pertumbuhan jumlah penduduk dunia yang otomatis akan menyebabkan
> demand meningkat dari tahun ketahun...
>
> Menurut saya penurunan harga minyak ini malah kan sangat membantu ditengah
> krisis keuangan yang sedang melanda saat ini.Adalah sangat tidak bijak apa
> yang dilakukan pemimpin2 opec yang mencoba terus mengurangi produksi demi
> mengharapkan harga minyak yang tetap tinggi, selama ini mereka menikmati
> Very High Profit Margin dari minyak bumi. Mungkin kita juga saat ini
> mengharapkan harga komoditas tetap bertahan dilevel yang tinggi karena
> selama ini di Indonesia  disokong penuh oleh sektor komoditas.
>
> Masyarakat dunia butuh ruang untuk bisa bernafas dan mengkonsumsi lagi
> dengan sewajarnya.
> Krisis dibarengi dengan penurunan harga komoditas akan lebih cepat di
> atasi dibanding krisis yang dibarengi dengan kenaikan harga komoditas yang
> signifikan yang nanti nya akan menyebabkan hyper inflasi di seluruh dunia.
>
> ya di diskon dulu lah minyak nya sampai konsumer bangkit kembali.. abis
> itu kita jual mahal lagi when industrial booming again in 2012 like elaine
> said.
>
>
> Marlow Riza
>
>  
>
>
>
> 
> From: Dean Earwicker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Friday, December 5, 2008 7:29:46 PM
> Subject: Re: [obrolan-bandar] Re: Oil May Fall Below $25 Next Year,
> Merrill Lynch Says
>
>
> Berikut adalah konsumsi minyak dunia, terlihat TIDAK ADA PENURUNAN DEMAND
> RIIL walaupun beberapa kali bursa dunia crash (1970, 1987, 2001). Kalau
> pun ada tidak signifikan dan secara long term tetap naik.
>
> Crude oil bukan hanya untuk bahan bakar, tapi juga pembuatan plastik, tar,
> petrochemical, dst yang TIDAK TERGANTIKAN oleh sumber lain (secara
> ekonomis)
>
> Kecuali orang udah seneng pake kondom recycle.. nah itu baru repot.. heheh
>
> Regards,
> DE
>
>
>
>
>
>
> 2008/12/5 Adam Rajsha 
>
> kayaknya prediksinya udah terlalu extrem.
> sama dng HSBC yg beberpa waktu lalu bikin estimasi oil ke $200 disaat
> semua orang panic dng kenaikan oil yg tajam...
>
> saat ini orang2 juga panic dng penurunan oil yg tajam, apakah ini tanda2
> oil akan segera menyentuh bottomnya Mbah..?
>
> salam,
> AR
>
>
> On Fri, Dec 5, 2008 at 9:30 AM, jsx_consultant  centrin.net. id> wrote:
>
> Sekitar 3 bulan lalu Goldman Sach yg spesialisasinya di mining,
> memprediksikan minyak akan ke 147 nyatanya BABLAS.
>
> Sekarang ML bikin prediksi SENSASIONIL lagi.
>
> Mana yg bener ?.
>
> Just follow the price graph, you would not be fooled...
>
> --- In obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. com, "jsx_consultant" 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] ..> wrote:
>>
>> Oil May Fall Below $25 Next Year, Merrill Lynch Says (Update1)
>> Email | Print | A A A
>>
>> By Grant Smith
>>
>> Dec. 4 (Bloomberg) -- Crude oil may dip below $25 a barrel next
> year
>> if the recession that's slashing fuel demand around the world
> spreads
>> to China, Merrill Lynch & Co. said.
>>
>> Global oil demand will contract in 2009 as economic growth slows to
>> its weakest since 1982, Merrill Commodity Strategist Francisco
> Blanch
>> said in a report today. In October, when oil was around $100 a
>> barrel, the bank predicted that prices may slide to $50. Crude
> traded
>> at $45.30 in New York today, the lowest since February 2005.
>>
>> "A temporary drop below $25 a barrel is possible if the global
>> recession extends to China and significant non-OPEC cuts are
>> required," Blanch said. "In the short-run, global oil demand growth
>> will likely take a further beating as banks continue to cut credit
> to
>> consumers and corporations."
>>
>> Crude hasn't fallen below $25 a barrel on the New York Mercantile
>> Exchange since November 2002.
>>
>> Global oil demand has slumped as the U.S., Europe and Japan face
>> simultaneous recessions for the first time since World War II. The
>> number of Americans collecting jobless benefits rose to 4 million
> in
>> the week to Nov. 22, a 26-year high, the Labor Department reported
>> to

Re: [obrolan-bandar] Re: Oil May Fall Below $25 Next Year, Merrill Lynch Says

[Halim Mintareja]

Ada guna lainnya lagi pak DE

sebagai bahan gorengan. (tempat parkir duit sementara)

Hal inilah yang buat oil naik dari 10 ke 147 ha.ha

Gimana gak naik..kalau misal riil demand untuk konsumsi sekitar 8Gpy... tapi
untuk investasi butuh 100Gpy

ha.ha...

On Fri, Dec 5, 2008 at 7:29 PM, Dean Earwicker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:

>  Berikut adalah konsumsi minyak dunia, terlihat TIDAK ADA PENURUNAN DEMAND
> RIIL walaupun beberapa kali bursa dunia crash (1970, 1987, 2001). Kalau pun
> ada tidak signifikan dan secara long term tetap naik.
>
> Crude oil bukan hanya untuk bahan bakar, tapi juga pembuatan plastik, tar,
> petrochemical, dst yang TIDAK TERGANTIKAN oleh sumber lain (secara ekonomis)
>
> Kecuali orang udah seneng pake kondom recycle.. nah itu baru repot.. heheh
>
> Regards,
> DE
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> 
>

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[icchanks]

Wahhh... bensin jadi Rp.1.000 dunk, hahaha biar rugi banyak di saham
tapi kan biaya hidup jadi berkurang, harga barang2 turun, gaji naik,
hehehehayo BD minyak turunin sampai $25, nanti nuntut ke
pemerintah biar bensin turun lagi

--- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, "RATU SIMA" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> "Pertanyannya apakah ada yg tahu MOTIFnya kenapa oil "diajak" turun
terus?"
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Ha ha ha, LETKOL OENTOENG...
> Your question is so naive yet funny.
> 
> The cost of tanker-rental is ABSOLUTELY EXPENSIVE, Lieutenant!
> So systematically, speculators have been selling and cashing out their
> hoarded stuff concomitant with their hidden political agenda.
> 
> One thing that is beyond your prediction is the flow of this oil.
> The handover of this GODLY STUFF is done beyond the visible markets
> (underhand).
> Simply put, hoarders exchange with other hoarders.
> In this scenario, the oil price decline is done on step-by-step
basis as the
> global economy is deteriorating.
> 
> Most people think it as downturning of global market diminishing
demand, but
> it doesn't solely stand on that logic.
> 
> 
> Oil $25, Dow , S & P 500 666.
> 
> AMITABHA
> 
> RATU SIMA,
> THE UNITED KINGDOM OF KALINGGA, JAVA
>

[obrolan-bandar] Re: Oil May Fall Below $25 Next Year, Merrill Lynch Says

[FromBuitenzorg]

Mungkin informasi Merrill Lynch belum make sense, sejak srategi oil
cut diterapkan oleh opec dan non opec. Kemungkinan besar minimum 
price sekitar 30-an USD/barrel dan masih bisa lebih ketika ekon 
kondusif.

Sekalipun resesi spread ke China, kita buktikan di 2009, bukan di 
bawah USD 25. Keep this.
 
Regards

Old 'Soldier'


In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, "jsx_consultant"  wrote:
>
> Oil May Fall Below $25 Next Year, Merrill Lynch Says (Update1) 
> Email | Print | A A A 
> 
> By Grant Smith
> 
> Dec. 4 (Bloomberg) -- Crude oil may dip below $25 a barrel next 
year 
> if the recession that's slashing fuel demand around the world 
spreads 
> to China, Merrill Lynch & Co. said. 
> 
>

[obrolan-bandar] Re: Oil May Fall Below $25 Next Year, Merrill Lynch Says

[FromBuitenzorg]

Mungkin informasi Merrill Lynch belum make sense, sejak sraregi oil 
cut diterapkan oleh opec dan non opec. Kemungkinan besar minimum price 
sekitas 30-an USD/barrel dan masih bisa lebih ketika ekon kondusif.

Kita buktikan di 2009, bukan di bawah USD 25. Keep this.

Regards

Old 'Soldier'


 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Oil May Fall Below $25 Next Year, Merrill Lynch Says (Update1) 
> Email | Print | A A A 
> 
> By Grant Smith
> 
> Dec. 4 (Bloomberg) -- Crude oil may dip below $25 a barrel next year 
> if the recession that's slashing fuel demand around the world 
spreads 
> to China, Merrill Lynch & Co. said. 
> 
>

[obrolan-bandar] Re: Oil May Fall Below $25 Next Year, Merrill Lynch Says

[y_dizz]

Wah, bisa ditimpukin sama orang2 yang nyangkut di saham2 commodity 
kalo mereka disuruh nunggu sampe 2012.
Xixixixi...



--- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Marlow Riza <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> Setuju pak DE konsumsi minyak secara logika tidak akan turun 
berjalan dengan pertumbuhan jumlah penduduk dunia yang otomatis akan 
menyebabkan demand meningkat dari tahun ketahun...
> 
> Menurut saya penurunan harga minyak ini malah kan sangat membantu 
ditengah krisis keuangan yang sedang melanda saat ini.Adalah sangat 
tidak bijak apa yang dilakukan pemimpin2 opec yang mencoba terus 
mengurangi produksi demi mengharapkan harga minyak yang tetap tinggi, 
selama ini mereka menikmati Very High Profit Margin dari minyak bumi. 
Mungkin kita juga saat ini mengharapkan harga komoditas tetap 
bertahan dilevel yang tinggi karena selama ini di Indonesia  disokong 
penuh oleh sektor komoditas.
> 
> Masyarakat dunia butuh ruang untuk bisa bernafas dan mengkonsumsi 
lagi dengan sewajarnya.
> Krisis dibarengi dengan penurunan harga komoditas akan lebih cepat 
di atasi dibanding krisis yang dibarengi dengan kenaikan harga 
komoditas yang signifikan yang nanti nya akan menyebabkan hyper 
inflasi di seluruh dunia.
> 
> ya di diskon dulu lah minyak nya sampai konsumer bangkit kembali.. 
abis itu kita jual mahal lagi when industrial booming again in 
2012 like elaine said.
> 
> 
> Marlow Riza

Re: [obrolan-bandar] Re: Oil May Fall Below $25 Next Year, Merrill Lynch Says

[Indonesian Private Investors]

Maaf pak..mengenai booming 2012..dengan negara negara maju yang terus 
mengencangkan ikat pinggang dan merubah pola hidup nya...nanti di 2012 
seandainya industri Asia masih produksi barang pun, yang beli siapa 
ya..Diantara sesama negara Asia saja, sudah saling gontok gontokan cari market 
:)andalkan domestic market, sepertinya masih belum kuat menyerap.andrew

--- Pada Jum, 5/12/08, Marlow Riza <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> menulis:
abis itu kita jual mahal lagi when industrial booming again in 2012 

  


  
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Re: Bls: [obrolan-bandar] Re: Oil May Fall Below $25 Next Year, Merrill Lynch Says

[RATU SIMA]

"Pertanyannya apakah ada yg tahu MOTIFnya kenapa oil "diajak" turun terus?"




Ha ha ha, LETKOL OENTOENG...
Your question is so naive yet funny.

The cost of tanker-rental is ABSOLUTELY EXPENSIVE, Lieutenant!
So systematically, speculators have been selling and cashing out their
hoarded stuff concomitant with their hidden political agenda.

One thing that is beyond your prediction is the flow of this oil.
The handover of this GODLY STUFF is done beyond the visible markets
(underhand).
Simply put, hoarders exchange with other hoarders.
In this scenario, the oil price decline is done on step-by-step basis as the
global economy is deteriorating.

Most people think it as downturning of global market diminishing demand, but
it doesn't solely stand on that logic.


Oil $25, Dow , S & P 500 666.

AMITABHA

RATU SIMA,
THE UNITED KINGDOM OF KALINGGA, JAVA

Bls: [obrolan-bandar] Re: Oil May Fall Below $25 Next Year, Merrill Lynch Says

[indra devista]

--- Pada Jum, 5/12/08, Provokator Saham <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> menulis:
Dari: Provokator Saham <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Topik: Bls: [obrolan-bandar] Re: Oil May Fall Below $25 Next Year, Merrill 
Lynch Says
Kepada: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com
Tanggal: Jumat, 5 Desember, 2008, 4:55 PM











--- In obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. com, dario kurniawan

 wrote:

>

> hmmm...oil ke $25, berarti bensin kita balik ke 3500 donk...naik bis

1500 lagi..senangnya bisa jalan2 jauh lagi..harga sembako bisa turun

lagi...gizi makanan membaik deh..

> 

> btw oil ke $25 dengan asumsi tidak ada perubahan kuota OPEC ?

> 



Wangsit oil berada $40-45 baru saja KEJADIAN

Sekarang ini sudah ditambah2i akan menuju $25/barrel.

Semua ini tinggal percaya atau tidak percaya!?



Pertanyannya apakah ada yg tahu MOTIFnya kenapa oil "diajak" turun terus?
CERITA IN DONG P.OEN,khan udah lama ngak cerita panjang lebar.lagian ini khan 
libur panjang.please




  




 

















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[Provokator Saham]

--- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, dario kurniawan
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> hmmm...oil ke $25, berarti bensin kita balik ke 3500 donk...naik bis
1500 lagi..senangnya bisa jalan2 jauh lagi..harga sembako bisa turun
lagi...gizi makanan membaik deh..
> 
> btw oil ke $25 dengan asumsi tidak ada perubahan kuota OPEC ?
> 

Wangsit oil berada $40-45 baru saja KEJADIAN
Sekarang ini sudah ditambah2i akan menuju $25/barrel.
Semua ini tinggal percaya atau tidak percaya!?

Pertanyannya apakah ada yg tahu MOTIFnya kenapa oil "diajak" turun terus?

Bls: [obrolan-bandar] Re: Oil May Fall Below $25 Next Year, Merrill Lynch Says

[y_dizz]

USD 35 kali Pak, setahu saya sih segitu. Kalo USD 15 mah buat ongkos 
produksi AQUA aja kagak cukup. Hehe...

canda.com



--- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, "Indera Widi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> setau saya BEP perusahaan minyak sekitar USD 15.. jadi masih untung 
10 dong,
> hehe
> 
> 2008/12/5 y_dizz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> 
> >   Wan Abud yang punya sumur minyak bisa jualan kolor dong kalo 
oil $25.
> > Hehehe...
> >
> > --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com ,
> > dario kurniawan
> >  wrote:
> > >
> > > hmmm...oil ke $25, berarti bensin kita balik ke 3500 donk...naik
> > bis 1500 lagi..senangnya bisa jalan2 jauh lagi..harga sembako bisa
> > turun lagi...gizi makanan membaik deh..
> > >
> > > btw oil ke $25 dengan asumsi tidak ada perubahan kuota OPEC ?
> > >
> > > Dario Amran
> > >
> > > --- Pada Jum, 5/12/08, jsx_consultant  menulis:
> > > Dari: jsx_consultant 
> > > Topik: [obrolan-bandar] Re: Oil May Fall Below $25 Next Year,
> > Merrill Lynch Says
> > > Kepada: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com
> > > Tanggal: Jumat, 5 Desember, 2008, 9:30 AM
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Sekitar 3 bulan lalu Goldman Sach yg spesialisasinya di
> > mining,
> > >
> > > memprediksikan minyak akan ke 147 nyatanya BABLAS.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Sekarang ML bikin prediksi SENSASIONIL lagi.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Mana yg bener ?.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Just follow the price graph, you would not be fooled...
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> > 
> >
>

[obrolan-bandar] Re: Oil May Fall Below $25 Next Year, Merrill Lynch Says

[pemainedan]

pernyataan saya tsb mmg agak controversial, saya pun tdk berharap 
semua org akan setuju. sorry kl agak offending thd bbrp pembaca. tp 
jika anda tertarik utk analisa lbh dalam, ada baiknya anda coba 
telaah kapan WB melakukan investasi2nya, dan kapan dia akumulasi sbgn 
besar dr kekayaannya.

menurut saya, dia meng-akumulasi kekayaannya ketika market sedang 
secular bull market (long-term bull market yg durasinya bbrp dekade). 
karenanya style investing dia sangat cocok & memberinya kekayaan luar 
biasa.

cobalah aplikasikan investing style-nya pd secular bear market (yg 
saya yakini sdg dlm fase2 awalnya skr). contoh secular bear market 
adlh Great Depression 1929, Japan 1990s. lihat hasilnya bagaimana.

sekedar catatan... pertengahan nov kemarin, gain Berkshire Hathaway 
selama 5 tahun, wiped out hanya dlm 3 bulan. mmg skr sdh agak 
rebound, tp tetap saja... gain 2 tahun lebih, lenyap dlm 3 bln. 

--- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, eclaireur <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> 
> "Warren Buffett style of investing is dead, at least for now & 
> sometime to come (lihat saja loss-nya di GS, GE, CEG, dll). Short-
> term profit jauh lbh baik drpd long-term loss."
> 
> Bah, sy gak stuju pak, easy come easy go!
> Style WB itulah style dunia riil, yg tidak mengharapkan keuntungan 
dlm sekejap! Inilah justru pemikiran yg benar, sunnatulahnya emang 
gitu.
> Apakah kita akan percaya terhadap intuisi WB atau opini2 analis??
> Liat aja track recordnya PAK.
> 
> 
> Tks.
> 
> the pathfinder
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Re: Bls: [obrolan-bandar] Re: Oil May Fall Below $25 Next Year, Merrill Lynch Says

[Indera Widi]

setau saya BEP perusahaan minyak sekitar USD 15.. jadi masih untung 10 dong,
hehe

2008/12/5 y_dizz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

>   Wan Abud yang punya sumur minyak bisa jualan kolor dong kalo oil $25.
> Hehehe...
>
> --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com ,
> dario kurniawan
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > hmmm...oil ke $25, berarti bensin kita balik ke 3500 donk...naik
> bis 1500 lagi..senangnya bisa jalan2 jauh lagi..harga sembako bisa
> turun lagi...gizi makanan membaik deh..
> >
> > btw oil ke $25 dengan asumsi tidak ada perubahan kuota OPEC ?
> >
> > Dario Amran
> >
> > --- Pada Jum, 5/12/08, jsx_consultant <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> menulis:
> > Dari: jsx_consultant <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Topik: [obrolan-bandar] Re: Oil May Fall Below $25 Next Year,
> Merrill Lynch Says
> > Kepada: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com
> > Tanggal: Jumat, 5 Desember, 2008, 9:30 AM
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Sekitar 3 bulan lalu Goldman Sach yg spesialisasinya di
> mining,
> >
> > memprediksikan minyak akan ke 147 nyatanya BABLAS.
> >
> >
> >
> > Sekarang ML bikin prediksi SENSASIONIL lagi.
> >
> >
> >
> > Mana yg bener ?.
> >
> >
> >
> > Just follow the price graph, you would not be fooled...
> >
> >
> >
>
> 
>

[obrolan-bandar] Re: Oil May Fall Below $25 Next Year, Merrill Lynch Says

[eclaireur]

"Warren Buffett style of investing is dead, at least for now & 
sometime to come (lihat saja loss-nya di GS, GE, CEG, dll). Short-
term profit jauh lbh baik drpd long-term loss."

Bah, sy gak stuju pak, easy come easy go!
Style WB itulah style dunia riil, yg tidak mengharapkan keuntungan dlm sekejap! 
Inilah justru pemikiran yg benar, sunnatulahnya emang gitu.
Apakah kita akan percaya terhadap intuisi WB atau opini2 analis??
Liat aja track recordnya PAK.


Tks.

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[qasuaribo]

Kate tukang ngebor, kalo OIL $25, mo pade istirahat alias nggak ngebor
dulu, akibatnya supply menipis nah lho ...




--- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Desmond Wira <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>
> Oil $147 ---> BBM 6000
> Oil $50 ---> BBM 5500
> berarti oil turun 65%, BBM turun 8%
> 
> Oil $25 --->dari itungan di atas paling mungkin turun gope lagi jadi
BBM 5000
> masih jauh dari 3500 pak dario hehehe
> 
> Salam
> DW
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> From: y_dizz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Friday, December 5, 2008 10:07:18 AM
> Subject: Bls: [obrolan-bandar] Re: Oil May Fall Below $25 Next Year,
Merrill Lynch Says
> 
> 
> Wan Abud yang punya sumur minyak bisa jualan kolor dong kalo oil $25.
> Hehehe...
> 
> --- In obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. com, dario kurniawan 
>  wrote:
> >
> > hmmm...oil ke $25, berarti bensin kita balik ke 3500 donk...naik 
> bis 1500 lagi..senangnya bisa jalan2 jauh lagi..harga sembako bisa 
> turun lagi...gizi makanan membaik deh..
> > 
> > btw oil ke $25 dengan asumsi tidak ada perubahan kuota OPEC ?
> > 
> > Dario Amran
> > 
> > --- Pada Jum, 5/12/08, jsx_consultant  menulis:
> > Dari: jsx_consultant 
> > Topik: [obrolan-bandar] Re: Oil May Fall Below $25 Next Year, 
> Merrill Lynch Says
> > Kepada: obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. com
> > Tanggal: Jumat, 5 Desember, 2008, 9:30 AM
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Sekitar 3 bulan lalu Goldman Sach yg spesialisasinya di 
> mining,
> > 
> > memprediksikan minyak akan ke 147 nyatanya BABLAS.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Sekarang ML bikin prediksi SENSASIONIL lagi.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Mana yg bener ?.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Just follow the price graph, you would not be fooled...
> > 
> > 
> >
>

Re: Bls: [obrolan-bandar] Re: Oil May Fall Below $25 Next Year, Merrill Lynch Says

[Desmond Wira]

Oil $147 ---> BBM 6000
Oil $50 ---> BBM 5500
berarti oil turun 65%, BBM turun 8%

Oil $25 --->dari itungan di atas paling mungkin turun gope lagi jadi BBM 5000
masih jauh dari 3500 pak dario hehehe

Salam
DW






From: y_dizz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, December 5, 2008 10:07:18 AM
Subject: Bls: [obrolan-bandar] Re: Oil May Fall Below $25 Next Year, Merrill 
Lynch Says


Wan Abud yang punya sumur minyak bisa jualan kolor dong kalo oil $25.
Hehehe...

--- In obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. com, dario kurniawan 
 wrote:
>
> hmmm...oil ke $25, berarti bensin kita balik ke 3500 donk...naik 
bis 1500 lagi..senangnya bisa jalan2 jauh lagi..harga sembako bisa 
turun lagi...gizi makanan membaik deh..
> 
> btw oil ke $25 dengan asumsi tidak ada perubahan kuota OPEC ?
> 
> Dario Amran
> 
> --- Pada Jum, 5/12/08, jsx_consultant  menulis:
> Dari: jsx_consultant 
> Topik: [obrolan-bandar] Re: Oil May Fall Below $25 Next Year, 
Merrill Lynch Says
> Kepada: obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. com
> Tanggal: Jumat, 5 Desember, 2008, 9:30 AM
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Sekitar 3 bulan lalu Goldman Sach yg spesialisasinya di 
mining,
> 
> memprediksikan minyak akan ke 147 nyatanya BABLAS.
> 
> 
> 
> Sekarang ML bikin prediksi SENSASIONIL lagi.
> 
> 
> 
> Mana yg bener ?.
> 
> 
> 
> Just follow the price graph, you would not be fooled...
> 
> 
> 




  

[obrolan-bandar] Re: Oil May Fall Below $25 Next Year, Merrill Lynch Says

[pemainedan]

Scr fundamental, OIL segini saja sudah membuat kegiatan E & P banyak 
yg mandeg atau bahkan bubar. Di masa depan, ketika economy mulai 
recover akan ada supply-side shock yg akan membuat OIL naik ke 
awang2. Pertanyaannya... kapan economy akan recover? IMO, tdk dlm 1-2 
th mendatang.

Warren Buffett style of investing is dead, at least for now & 
sometime to come (lihat saja loss-nya di GS, GE, CEG, dll). Short-
term profit jauh lbh baik drpd long-term loss. Jd seperti wejangan 
Embah skr & sblm2nya, ikuti arus, CL with no mercy. Itu 2 senjata 
terhebat yg 

--- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, "jsx_consultant"  wrote:
>
> Sekitar 3 bulan lalu Goldman Sach yg spesialisasinya di mining,
> memprediksikan minyak akan ke 147 nyatanya BABLAS.
> 
> Sekarang ML bikin prediksi SENSASIONIL lagi.
> 
> Mana yg bener ?.
> 
> Just follow the price graph, you would not be fooled...
> 
> 
> --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, "jsx_consultant"  consultant@> wrote:
> >
> > Oil May Fall Below $25 Next Year, Merrill Lynch Says (Update1) 
> > Email | Print | A A A 
> > 
> > By Grant Smith
> > 
> > Dec. 4 (Bloomberg) -- Crude oil may dip below $25 a barrel next 
> year 
> > if the recession that's slashing fuel demand around the world 
> spreads 
> > to China, Merrill Lynch & Co. said. 
> > 
> > Global oil demand will contract in 2009 as economic growth slows 
to 
> > its weakest since 1982, Merrill Commodity Strategist Francisco 
> Blanch 
> > said in a report today. In October, when oil was around $100 a 
> > barrel, the bank predicted that prices may slide to $50. Crude 
> traded 
> > at $45.30 in New York today, the lowest since February 2005. 
> > 
> > "A temporary drop below $25 a barrel is possible if the global 
> > recession extends to China and significant non-OPEC cuts are 
> > required," Blanch said. "In the short-run, global oil demand 
growth 
> > will likely take a further beating as banks continue to cut 
credit 
> to 
> > consumers and corporations." 
> > 
> > Crude hasn't fallen below $25 a barrel on the New York Mercantile 
> > Exchange since November 2002. 
> > 
> > Global oil demand has slumped as the U.S., Europe and Japan face 
> > simultaneous recessions for the first time since World War II. 
The 
> > number of Americans collecting jobless benefits rose to 4 million 
> in 
> > the week to Nov. 22, a 26-year high, the Labor Department 
reported 
> > today. European Central Bank President Jean- Claude Trichet said 
> the 
> > euro region's economy will shrink in 2009. 
> > 
> > $50 Average 
> > 
> > Merrill reiterated a Nov. 26 forecast that oil futures traded in 
> New 
> > York will average $50 a barrel next year. Prices "could find a 
> > trough" at the end of the first quarter and undergo a "modest 
> > recovery" in the second half as economies strengthen, according 
to 
> > today's report. 
> > 
> > "We expect strong cooperation to emerge" among members of the 
> > Organization of Petroleum Exporting Countries as prices fall 
below 
> > $50, Blanch said. OPEC, producer of more than 40 percent of the 
> > world's crude, was still pumping about 1 million barrels a day 
more 
> > than its official target of 27.3 million barrels a day last 
month, 
> > according to a Bloomberg survey. 
> > 
> > Producers in Canada may shutter almost 800,000 barrels a day if 
> > prices decline below $35 a barrel, Blanch added. 
> > 
> > Merrill's $50-a-barrel assessment for 2009 is the second- lowest 
> > among 32 analyst estimates compiled by Bloomberg, after a 
> prediction 
> > of $43.13 by ANZ Banking Group Ltd. issued on Nov. 18. 
> > 
> > To contact the reporter on this story: Grant Smith in London at 
> > gsmith52@ 
> > 
> > Last Updated: December 4, 2008 09:27 EST
> >
>

[obrolan-bandar] Re: Oil May Fall Below $25 Next Year, Merrill Lynch Says

[datasahamku]

Iya Mbah, saya inget banget analis Goldmanklo ga sensasional ga
laku, sekaliber Goldman gitu lho ternyata dodol juga hehehe...

minyak di bawah US25???...seperti dodol juga tuh :Dmana mau
OPEC...feeling saya para spekulan komoditi sudah pasang SHORT oil
sesaat oil mencapai PEAK..ga usah sampai US25...spekulan sudah COVER
SHORT...hbs itu pasang LONG lagi krn resesi udah ada tanda2 bisa
diatasi hehehe 


--- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, "jsx_consultant"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Sekitar 3 bulan lalu Goldman Sach yg spesialisasinya di mining,
> memprediksikan minyak akan ke 147 nyatanya BABLAS.
> 
> Sekarang ML bikin prediksi SENSASIONIL lagi.
> 
> Mana yg bener ?.
> 
> Just follow the price graph, you would not be fooled...
> 
> 
> --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, "jsx_consultant"  consultant@> wrote:
> >
> > Oil May Fall Below $25 Next Year, Merrill Lynch Says (Update1) 
> > Email | Print | A A A 
> > 
> > By Grant Smith
> > 
> > Dec. 4 (Bloomberg) -- Crude oil may dip below $25 a barrel next 
> year 
> > if the recession that's slashing fuel demand around the world 
> spreads 
> > to China, Merrill Lynch & Co. said. 
> > 
> > Global oil demand will contract in 2009 as economic growth slows to 
> > its weakest since 1982, Merrill Commodity Strategist Francisco 
> Blanch 
> > said in a report today. In October, when oil was around $100 a 
> > barrel, the bank predicted that prices may slide to $50. Crude 
> traded 
> > at $45.30 in New York today, the lowest since February 2005. 
> > 
> > "A temporary drop below $25 a barrel is possible if the global 
> > recession extends to China and significant non-OPEC cuts are 
> > required," Blanch said. "In the short-run, global oil demand growth 
> > will likely take a further beating as banks continue to cut credit 
> to 
> > consumers and corporations." 
> > 
> > Crude hasn't fallen below $25 a barrel on the New York Mercantile 
> > Exchange since November 2002. 
> > 
> > Global oil demand has slumped as the U.S., Europe and Japan face 
> > simultaneous recessions for the first time since World War II. The 
> > number of Americans collecting jobless benefits rose to 4 million 
> in 
> > the week to Nov. 22, a 26-year high, the Labor Department reported 
> > today. European Central Bank President Jean- Claude Trichet said 
> the 
> > euro region's economy will shrink in 2009. 
> > 
> > $50 Average 
> > 
> > Merrill reiterated a Nov. 26 forecast that oil futures traded in 
> New 
> > York will average $50 a barrel next year. Prices "could find a 
> > trough" at the end of the first quarter and undergo a "modest 
> > recovery" in the second half as economies strengthen, according to 
> > today's report. 
> > 
> > "We expect strong cooperation to emerge" among members of the 
> > Organization of Petroleum Exporting Countries as prices fall below 
> > $50, Blanch said. OPEC, producer of more than 40 percent of the 
> > world's crude, was still pumping about 1 million barrels a day more 
> > than its official target of 27.3 million barrels a day last month, 
> > according to a Bloomberg survey. 
> > 
> > Producers in Canada may shutter almost 800,000 barrels a day if 
> > prices decline below $35 a barrel, Blanch added. 
> > 
> > Merrill's $50-a-barrel assessment for 2009 is the second- lowest 
> > among 32 analyst estimates compiled by Bloomberg, after a 
> prediction 
> > of $43.13 by ANZ Banking Group Ltd. issued on Nov. 18. 
> > 
> > To contact the reporter on this story: Grant Smith in London at 
> > gsmith52@ 
> > 
> > Last Updated: December 4, 2008 09:27 EST
> >
>

Bls: [obrolan-bandar] Re: Oil May Fall Below $25 Next Year, Merrill Lynch Says

[t_bumi]

--- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, "y_dizz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Wan Abud yang punya sumur minyak bisa jualan kolor dong kalo oil $25.
> Hehehe...
>
>
>
> Sip : tbumi



Kini giliran traders minyak, pemilik pom bensin yang akan bangkrut bila

penurunan minyak masih berlanjut.

Tak ada jalan lain didalam hidup ini terkecuali selalu bersyukur
kepadaNYA dan

nikmati hidup ini saja.

Bls: [obrolan-bandar] Re: Oil May Fall Below $25 Next Year, Merrill Lynch Says

[y_dizz]

Wan Abud yang punya sumur minyak bisa jualan kolor dong kalo oil $25.
Hehehe...



--- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, dario kurniawan 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> hmmm...oil ke $25, berarti bensin kita balik ke 3500 donk...naik 
bis 1500 lagi..senangnya bisa jalan2 jauh lagi..harga sembako bisa 
turun lagi...gizi makanan membaik deh..
> 
> btw oil ke $25 dengan asumsi tidak ada perubahan kuota OPEC ?
> 
> Dario Amran
> 
> --- Pada Jum, 5/12/08, jsx_consultant <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> menulis:
> Dari: jsx_consultant <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Topik: [obrolan-bandar] Re: Oil May Fall Below $25 Next Year, 
Merrill Lynch Says
> Kepada: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com
> Tanggal: Jumat, 5 Desember, 2008, 9:30 AM
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Sekitar 3 bulan lalu Goldman Sach yg spesialisasinya di 
mining,
> 
> memprediksikan minyak akan ke 147 nyatanya BABLAS.
> 
> 
> 
> Sekarang ML bikin prediksi SENSASIONIL lagi.
> 
> 
> 
> Mana yg bener ?.
> 
> 
> 
> Just follow the price graph, you would not be fooled...
> 
> 
> 

Bls: [obrolan-bandar] Re: Oil May Fall Below $25 Next Year, Merrill Lynch Says

[dario kurniawan]

hmmm...oil ke $25, berarti bensin kita balik ke 3500 donk...naik bis 1500 
lagi..senangnya bisa jalan2 jauh lagi..harga sembako bisa turun lagi...gizi 
makanan membaik deh..

btw oil ke $25 dengan asumsi tidak ada perubahan kuota OPEC ?

Dario Amran

--- Pada Jum, 5/12/08, jsx_consultant <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> menulis:
Dari: jsx_consultant <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Topik: [obrolan-bandar] Re: Oil May Fall Below $25 Next Year, Merrill Lynch Says
Kepada: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com
Tanggal: Jumat, 5 Desember, 2008, 9:30 AM











Sekitar 3 bulan lalu Goldman Sach yg spesialisasinya di mining,

memprediksikan minyak akan ke 147 nyatanya BABLAS.



Sekarang ML bikin prediksi SENSASIONIL lagi.



Mana yg bener ?.



Just follow the price graph, you would not be fooled...



--- In obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. com, "jsx_consultant"  wrote:

>

> Oil May Fall Below $25 Next Year, Merrill Lynch Says (Update1) 

> Email | Print | A A A 

> 

> By Grant Smith

> 

> Dec. 4 (Bloomberg) -- Crude oil may dip below $25 a barrel next 

year 

> if the recession that's slashing fuel demand around the world 

spreads 

> to China, Merrill Lynch & Co. said. 

> 

> Global oil demand will contract in 2009 as economic growth slows to 

> its weakest since 1982, Merrill Commodity Strategist Francisco 

Blanch 

> said in a report today. In October, when oil was around $100 a 

> barrel, the bank predicted that prices may slide to $50. Crude 

traded 

> at $45.30 in New York today, the lowest since February 2005. 

> 

> "A temporary drop below $25 a barrel is possible if the global 

> recession extends to China and significant non-OPEC cuts are 

> required," Blanch said. "In the short-run, global oil demand growth 

> will likely take a further beating as banks continue to cut credit 

to 

> consumers and corporations. " 

> 

> Crude hasn't fallen below $25 a barrel on the New York Mercantile 

> Exchange since November 2002. 

> 

> Global oil demand has slumped as the U.S., Europe and Japan face 

> simultaneous recessions for the first time since World War II. The 

> number of Americans collecting jobless benefits rose to 4 million 

in 

> the week to Nov. 22, a 26-year high, the Labor Department reported 

> today. European Central Bank President Jean- Claude Trichet said 

the 

> euro region's economy will shrink in 2009. 

> 

> $50 Average 

> 

> Merrill reiterated a Nov. 26 forecast that oil futures traded in 

New 

> York will average $50 a barrel next year. Prices "could find a 

> trough" at the end of the first quarter and undergo a "modest 

> recovery" in the second half as economies strengthen, according to 

> today's report. 

> 

> "We expect strong cooperation to emerge" among members of the 

> Organization of Petroleum Exporting Countries as prices fall below 

> $50, Blanch said. OPEC, producer of more than 40 percent of the 

> world's crude, was still pumping about 1 million barrels a day more 

> than its official target of 27.3 million barrels a day last month, 

> according to a Bloomberg survey. 

> 

> Producers in Canada may shutter almost 800,000 barrels a day if 

> prices decline below $35 a barrel, Blanch added. 

> 

> Merrill's $50-a-barrel assessment for 2009 is the second- lowest 

> among 32 analyst estimates compiled by Bloomberg, after a 

prediction 

> of $43.13 by ANZ Banking Group Ltd. issued on Nov. 18. 

> 

> To contact the reporter on this story: Grant Smith in London at 

> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 

> 

> Last Updated: December 4, 2008 09:27 EST

>




  




 

















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Re: [obrolan-bandar] Re: Oil May Fall Below $25 Next Year, Merrill Lynch Says

[Adam Rajsha]

kayaknya prediksinya udah terlalu extrem.
sama dng HSBC yg beberpa waktu lalu bikin estimasi oil ke $200 disaat semua
orang panic dng kenaikan oil yg tajam...

saat ini orang2 juga panic dng penurunan oil yg tajam, apakah ini tanda2 oil
akan segera menyentuh bottomnya Mbah..?

salam,
AR

On Fri, Dec 5, 2008 at 9:30 AM, jsx_consultant <
[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>   Sekitar 3 bulan lalu Goldman Sach yg spesialisasinya di mining,
> memprediksikan minyak akan ke 147 nyatanya BABLAS.
>
> Sekarang ML bikin prediksi SENSASIONIL lagi.
>
> Mana yg bener ?.
>
> Just follow the price graph, you would not be fooled...
>
> --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com ,
> "jsx_consultant" 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > Oil May Fall Below $25 Next Year, Merrill Lynch Says (Update1)
> > Email | Print | A A A
> >
> > By Grant Smith
> >
> > Dec. 4 (Bloomberg) -- Crude oil may dip below $25 a barrel next
> year
> > if the recession that's slashing fuel demand around the world
> spreads
> > to China, Merrill Lynch & Co. said.
> >
> > Global oil demand will contract in 2009 as economic growth slows to
> > its weakest since 1982, Merrill Commodity Strategist Francisco
> Blanch
> > said in a report today. In October, when oil was around $100 a
> > barrel, the bank predicted that prices may slide to $50. Crude
> traded
> > at $45.30 in New York today, the lowest since February 2005.
> >
> > "A temporary drop below $25 a barrel is possible if the global
> > recession extends to China and significant non-OPEC cuts are
> > required," Blanch said. "In the short-run, global oil demand growth
> > will likely take a further beating as banks continue to cut credit
> to
> > consumers and corporations."
> >
> > Crude hasn't fallen below $25 a barrel on the New York Mercantile
> > Exchange since November 2002.
> >
> > Global oil demand has slumped as the U.S., Europe and Japan face
> > simultaneous recessions for the first time since World War II. The
> > number of Americans collecting jobless benefits rose to 4 million
> in
> > the week to Nov. 22, a 26-year high, the Labor Department reported
> > today. European Central Bank President Jean- Claude Trichet said
> the
> > euro region's economy will shrink in 2009.
> >
> > $50 Average
> >
> > Merrill reiterated a Nov. 26 forecast that oil futures traded in
> New
> > York will average $50 a barrel next year. Prices "could find a
> > trough" at the end of the first quarter and undergo a "modest
> > recovery" in the second half as economies strengthen, according to
> > today's report.
> >
> > "We expect strong cooperation to emerge" among members of the
> > Organization of Petroleum Exporting Countries as prices fall below
> > $50, Blanch said. OPEC, producer of more than 40 percent of the
> > world's crude, was still pumping about 1 million barrels a day more
> > than its official target of 27.3 million barrels a day last month,
> > according to a Bloomberg survey.
> >
> > Producers in Canada may shutter almost 800,000 barrels a day if
> > prices decline below $35 a barrel, Blanch added.
> >
> > Merrill's $50-a-barrel assessment for 2009 is the second- lowest
> > among 32 analyst estimates compiled by Bloomberg, after a
> prediction
> > of $43.13 by ANZ Banking Group Ltd. issued on Nov. 18.
> >
> > To contact the reporter on this story: Grant Smith in London at
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >
> > Last Updated: December 4, 2008 09:27 EST
> >
>
> 
>



-- 
salam,
AR

[obrolan-bandar] Re: Oil May Fall Below $25 Next Year, Merrill Lynch Says

[Kidod25]

ini sebenarnya karena US dolarnya yg menguat sih, jadi harganya 
turun ...


--- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, "jsx_consultant"  wrote:
>
> Sekitar 3 bulan lalu Goldman Sach yg spesialisasinya di mining,
> memprediksikan minyak akan ke 147 nyatanya BABLAS.
> 
> Sekarang ML bikin prediksi SENSASIONIL lagi.
> 
> Mana yg bener ?.
> 
> Just follow the price graph, you would not be fooled...
> 
> 
> --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, "jsx_consultant"  consultant@> wrote:
> >
> > Oil May Fall Below $25 Next Year, Merrill Lynch Says (Update1) 
> > Email | Print | A A A 
> > 
> > By Grant Smith
> > 
> > Dec. 4 (Bloomberg) -- Crude oil may dip below $25 a barrel next 
> year 
> > if the recession that's slashing fuel demand around the world 
> spreads 
> > to China, Merrill Lynch & Co. said. 
> > 
> > Global oil demand will contract in 2009 as economic growth slows 
to 
> > its weakest since 1982, Merrill Commodity Strategist Francisco 
> Blanch 
> > said in a report today. In October, when oil was around $100 a 
> > barrel, the bank predicted that prices may slide to $50. Crude 
> traded 
> > at $45.30 in New York today, the lowest since February 2005. 
> > 
> > "A temporary drop below $25 a barrel is possible if the global 
> > recession extends to China and significant non-OPEC cuts are 
> > required," Blanch said. "In the short-run, global oil demand 
growth 
> > will likely take a further beating as banks continue to cut 
credit 
> to 
> > consumers and corporations." 
> > 
> > Crude hasn't fallen below $25 a barrel on the New York Mercantile 
> > Exchange since November 2002. 
> > 
> > Global oil demand has slumped as the U.S., Europe and Japan face 
> > simultaneous recessions for the first time since World War II. 
The 
> > number of Americans collecting jobless benefits rose to 4 million 
> in 
> > the week to Nov. 22, a 26-year high, the Labor Department 
reported 
> > today. European Central Bank President Jean- Claude Trichet said 
> the 
> > euro region's economy will shrink in 2009. 
> > 
> > $50 Average 
> > 
> > Merrill reiterated a Nov. 26 forecast that oil futures traded in 
> New 
> > York will average $50 a barrel next year. Prices "could find a 
> > trough" at the end of the first quarter and undergo a "modest 
> > recovery" in the second half as economies strengthen, according 
to 
> > today's report. 
> > 
> > "We expect strong cooperation to emerge" among members of the 
> > Organization of Petroleum Exporting Countries as prices fall 
below 
> > $50, Blanch said. OPEC, producer of more than 40 percent of the 
> > world's crude, was still pumping about 1 million barrels a day 
more 
> > than its official target of 27.3 million barrels a day last 
month, 
> > according to a Bloomberg survey. 
> > 
> > Producers in Canada may shutter almost 800,000 barrels a day if 
> > prices decline below $35 a barrel, Blanch added. 
> > 
> > Merrill's $50-a-barrel assessment for 2009 is the second- lowest 
> > among 32 analyst estimates compiled by Bloomberg, after a 
> prediction 
> > of $43.13 by ANZ Banking Group Ltd. issued on Nov. 18. 
> > 
> > To contact the reporter on this story: Grant Smith in London at 
> > gsmith52@ 
> > 
> > Last Updated: December 4, 2008 09:27 EST
> >
>

[obrolan-bandar] Re: Oil May Fall Below $25 Next Year, Merrill Lynch Says

[jsx_consultant]

Sekitar 3 bulan lalu Goldman Sach yg spesialisasinya di mining,
memprediksikan minyak akan ke 147 nyatanya BABLAS.

Sekarang ML bikin prediksi SENSASIONIL lagi.

Mana yg bener ?.

Just follow the price graph, you would not be fooled...


--- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, "jsx_consultant"  wrote:
>
> Oil May Fall Below $25 Next Year, Merrill Lynch Says (Update1) 
> Email | Print | A A A 
> 
> By Grant Smith
> 
> Dec. 4 (Bloomberg) -- Crude oil may dip below $25 a barrel next 
year 
> if the recession that's slashing fuel demand around the world 
spreads 
> to China, Merrill Lynch & Co. said. 
> 
> Global oil demand will contract in 2009 as economic growth slows to 
> its weakest since 1982, Merrill Commodity Strategist Francisco 
Blanch 
> said in a report today. In October, when oil was around $100 a 
> barrel, the bank predicted that prices may slide to $50. Crude 
traded 
> at $45.30 in New York today, the lowest since February 2005. 
> 
> "A temporary drop below $25 a barrel is possible if the global 
> recession extends to China and significant non-OPEC cuts are 
> required," Blanch said. "In the short-run, global oil demand growth 
> will likely take a further beating as banks continue to cut credit 
to 
> consumers and corporations." 
> 
> Crude hasn't fallen below $25 a barrel on the New York Mercantile 
> Exchange since November 2002. 
> 
> Global oil demand has slumped as the U.S., Europe and Japan face 
> simultaneous recessions for the first time since World War II. The 
> number of Americans collecting jobless benefits rose to 4 million 
in 
> the week to Nov. 22, a 26-year high, the Labor Department reported 
> today. European Central Bank President Jean- Claude Trichet said 
the 
> euro region's economy will shrink in 2009. 
> 
> $50 Average 
> 
> Merrill reiterated a Nov. 26 forecast that oil futures traded in 
New 
> York will average $50 a barrel next year. Prices "could find a 
> trough" at the end of the first quarter and undergo a "modest 
> recovery" in the second half as economies strengthen, according to 
> today's report. 
> 
> "We expect strong cooperation to emerge" among members of the 
> Organization of Petroleum Exporting Countries as prices fall below 
> $50, Blanch said. OPEC, producer of more than 40 percent of the 
> world's crude, was still pumping about 1 million barrels a day more 
> than its official target of 27.3 million barrels a day last month, 
> according to a Bloomberg survey. 
> 
> Producers in Canada may shutter almost 800,000 barrels a day if 
> prices decline below $35 a barrel, Blanch added. 
> 
> Merrill's $50-a-barrel assessment for 2009 is the second- lowest 
> among 32 analyst estimates compiled by Bloomberg, after a 
prediction 
> of $43.13 by ANZ Banking Group Ltd. issued on Nov. 18. 
> 
> To contact the reporter on this story: Grant Smith in London at 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> 
> Last Updated: December 4, 2008 09:27 EST
>