Re: [oi-dev] Mate Schema error ?

2018-11-09 Thread Aurélien Larcher 
On Fri, Nov 9, 2018 at 8:09 PM Michal Nowak  wrote:

> On 11/09/18 05:41 PM, Udo Grabowski (IMK) wrote:
> > On 09/11/2018 17:37, Aurélien Larcher wrote:
> >> Did you install from 2018.10?
> >
> > It's the current Hipster trunk as seen yesterday around Noon (UTC).
> >
> >
> >> I have installed a few testing images in the past two weeks and this
> >> issue does not occur.
> >> I'll try to check if there are differences.
> >>
> >> On 11/9/18, Udo Grabowski (IMK)  wrote:
> >>> On 09/11/2018 16:27, Aurélien Larcher wrote:
> 
> 
>  On Fri, Nov 9, 2018 at 12:06 PM Udo Grabowski (IMK)
>    > wrote:
> 
>  Hi, I noticed that the mouse right click menu is not available on
>  MATE.
> >>> ...
> >>>
> >>
> >>
>
> Do I have it right that you actually login to MATE as a *root*? That's
> something I never tested.
>

Login as root should not be supported by default as root is a role.

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Re: [oi-dev] Mate Schema error ?

2018-11-09 Thread Michal Nowak 

On 11/09/18 05:41 PM, Udo Grabowski (IMK) wrote:

On 09/11/2018 17:37, Aurélien Larcher wrote:

Did you install from 2018.10?


It's the current Hipster trunk as seen yesterday around Noon (UTC).



I have installed a few testing images in the past two weeks and this
issue does not occur.
I'll try to check if there are differences.

On 11/9/18, Udo Grabowski (IMK)  wrote:

On 09/11/2018 16:27, Aurélien Larcher wrote:



On Fri, Nov 9, 2018 at 12:06 PM Udo Grabowski (IMK)
mailto:udo.grabow...@kit.edu>> wrote:

    Hi, I noticed that the mouse right click menu is not available on
    MATE.

...






Do I have it right that you actually login to MATE as a *root*? That's 
something I never tested.


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Re: [oi-dev] Mate Schema error ?

2018-11-09 Thread Udo Grabowski (IMK) 

On 09/11/2018 17:37, Aurélien Larcher wrote:

Did you install from 2018.10?


It's the current Hipster trunk as seen yesterday around Noon (UTC).



I have installed a few testing images in the past two weeks and this
issue does not occur.
I'll try to check if there are differences.

On 11/9/18, Udo Grabowski (IMK)  wrote:

On 09/11/2018 16:27, Aurélien Larcher wrote:



On Fri, Nov 9, 2018 at 12:06 PM Udo Grabowski (IMK)
mailto:udo.grabow...@kit.edu>> wrote:

Hi, I noticed that the mouse right click menu is not available on
MATE.

...







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Re: [oi-dev] Mate Schema error ?

2018-11-09 Thread Aurélien Larcher 
Did you install from 2018.10?
I have installed a few testing images in the past two weeks and this
issue does not occur.
I'll try to check if there are differences.

On 11/9/18, Udo Grabowski (IMK)  wrote:
> On 09/11/2018 16:27, Aurélien Larcher wrote:
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Nov 9, 2018 at 12:06 PM Udo Grabowski (IMK)
>> > > wrote:
>>
>> Hi, I noticed that the mouse right click menu is not available on
>> MATE.
>>
>>
>> Hi!
>> What you mean by "right click menu"?
>> I have not seen any regression in my environments so I am not sure what
>> you are
>> referring to.
>
> Right mouse button click on root background. Should open a little
> context menu, but does not in the default configuration.
>
> Mostly boils down to Caja not running at login (since it handles the
> desktop icons and this context menu), but when setting it as active
> startup application, it still doesn't read the correct switches which
> are seemingly stored in .config/{caja,dconf}.
>
> You always have to issue the dconf write command, and as soon as
> caja dies that setting is lost (or not read at next startup).
> And caja quits instead of going to the background when the little
> close icon in the upper right window corner is hit.
> So multiple problems combine here.
>
> When logging into gnome instead, nautilus is automatically started
> in the background, and doesn't simply quit when closing its window,
> and it remembers the last configuration settings.
>
> And this doesn't happen when converting as old Gnome2 user to mate,
> something is set there from gnome that a fresh mate user doesn't get
> by default.
>
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Re: [oi-dev] Mate Schema error ?

2018-11-09 Thread Udo Grabowski (IMK) 

On 09/11/2018 16:27, Aurélien Larcher wrote:



On Fri, Nov 9, 2018 at 12:06 PM Udo Grabowski (IMK) mailto:udo.grabow...@kit.edu>> wrote:

Hi, I noticed that the mouse right click menu is not available on
MATE.


Hi!
What you mean by "right click menu"?
I have not seen any regression in my environments so I am not sure what you are
referring to.


Right mouse button click on root background. Should open a little
context menu, but does not in the default configuration.

Mostly boils down to Caja not running at login (since it handles the
desktop icons and this context menu), but when setting it as active
startup application, it still doesn't read the correct switches which
are seemingly stored in .config/{caja,dconf}.

You always have to issue the dconf write command, and as soon as
caja dies that setting is lost (or not read at next startup).
And caja quits instead of going to the background when the little
close icon in the upper right window corner is hit.
So multiple problems combine here.

When logging into gnome instead, nautilus is automatically started
in the background, and doesn't simply quit when closing its window,
and it remembers the last configuration settings.

And this doesn't happen when converting as old Gnome2 user to mate,
something is set there from gnome that a fresh mate user doesn't get
by default.

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Re: [oi-dev] Mate Schema error ?

2018-11-09 Thread Aurélien Larcher 
On Fri, Nov 9, 2018 at 12:06 PM Udo Grabowski (IMK) 
wrote:

> Hi, I noticed that the mouse right click menu is not available on
> MATE.


Hi!
What you mean by "right click menu"?
I have not seen any regression in my environments so I am not sure what you
are referring to.


> The necessary switch for this should be org.mate.desktop.background
> 'show-desktop-icons' = true. However, despite it is show in dconf
> under the org/mate/desktop/ schema, the name of this switch is
> shown and configurable only as org.mate.background. Possible ommission
> of the /desktop/ folder ? That would explain why the right mouse
> still doesn't work even when switching this (and the corresponding
> gnome/ entry) off and on again.
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Re: [oi-dev] Mate Schema error ?

2018-11-09 Thread Udo Grabowski (IMK) 

On 09/11/2018 15:50, Udo Grabowski (IMK) wrote:

On 09/11/2018 15:42, Udo Grabowski (IMK) wrote:

On 09/11/2018 14:51, Udo Grabowski (IMK) wrote:

On 09/11/2018 14:00, Udo Grabowski (IMK) wrote:

On 09/11/2018 12:06, Udo Grabowski (IMK) wrote:



Instead, only one specific command sets the right switch at the
correct place:

dconf write /org/mate/desktop/background/show-desktop-icons true

Specifically note that again, the 'desktop/' part is in that
path. So I suspect that this change in name and the special path
entry in the schema confuse mate in such a way that the config editors
do not find the switch at the correct place, only 'dconf write'
hits the right bits.



...AND, as an additional weirdness: This command only sets the
right switch if Caja is open ! Otherwise it does nothing.



... AND it's even not permanent, the switch is just forgotten
after logout.


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Re: [oi-dev] Mate Schema error ?

2018-11-09 Thread Udo Grabowski (IMK) 

On 09/11/2018 15:42, Udo Grabowski (IMK) wrote:

On 09/11/2018 14:51, Udo Grabowski (IMK) wrote:

On 09/11/2018 14:00, Udo Grabowski (IMK) wrote:

On 09/11/2018 12:06, Udo Grabowski (IMK) wrote:

Hi, I noticed that the mouse right click menu is not available on
MATE. The necessary switch for this should be org.mate.desktop.background
'show-desktop-icons' = true. However, despite it is show in dconf
under the org/mate/desktop/ schema, the name of this switch is
shown and configurable only as org.mate.background. Possible ommission
of the /desktop/ folder ? That would explain why the right mouse
still doesn't work even when switching this (and the corresponding
gnome/ entry) off and on again.


Played around with the org.mate. schemata in /usr/share/glib-2.0,
but no progress. The dichotomy in the nameing scheme stems from
a special 'path=' argument for the background schema, but the
mate names in general apparently don't use the desktop folder (and
editing this into the file, renaming and compiling it causes indeed
loss of all those preferences).
So no clue yet why the show-desktop-icons switch doesn't work, and
right click mouse shows no context menu (on background).


Logging in as a non-root user makes the right mouse context menu
available. So I thought this is something in old config files
for root, deleted .config, .cache, .gconf*, .gnome*, .local,
.elementary, .themes (from offline), logged in again, set
org.mate.background show-desktop-icons to true, re-logged in
again, but still no icons and no context menu.

So all I can conclude now is that all these mate switches
do specifically not work with the root account.



PROBLEM SOLVED: This is again something weird! None of the methods
setting that nasty switch including dconf-editor, gconf-editor,
dconf set org.mate... worked, although all methods pretend that
that switch had been indeed set correctly.

Instead, only one specific command sets the right switch at the
correct place:

dconf write /org/mate/desktop/background/show-desktop-icons true

Specifically note that again, the 'desktop/' part is in that
path. So I suspect that this change in name and the special path
entry in the schema confuse mate in such a way that the config editors
do not find the switch at the correct place, only 'dconf write'
hits the right bits.



...AND, as an additional weirdness: This command only sets the
right switch if Caja is open ! Otherwise it does nothing.

At this point I must say that Mate is a piece of ... [whatever
you like to think here] and it should be considered to go back
to Gnome 3 (the newest Ubuntu edition of it is pretty usable again,
they've learned from the early failures with usability). Didn't
expect that it is THAT broken.
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Re: [oi-dev] Mate Schema error ?

2018-11-09 Thread Udo Grabowski (IMK) 

On 09/11/2018 14:51, Udo Grabowski (IMK) wrote:

On 09/11/2018 14:00, Udo Grabowski (IMK) wrote:

On 09/11/2018 12:06, Udo Grabowski (IMK) wrote:

Hi, I noticed that the mouse right click menu is not available on
MATE. The necessary switch for this should be org.mate.desktop.background
'show-desktop-icons' = true. However, despite it is show in dconf
under the org/mate/desktop/ schema, the name of this switch is
shown and configurable only as org.mate.background. Possible ommission
of the /desktop/ folder ? That would explain why the right mouse
still doesn't work even when switching this (and the corresponding
gnome/ entry) off and on again.


Played around with the org.mate. schemata in /usr/share/glib-2.0,
but no progress. The dichotomy in the nameing scheme stems from
a special 'path=' argument for the background schema, but the
mate names in general apparently don't use the desktop folder (and
editing this into the file, renaming and compiling it causes indeed
loss of all those preferences).
So no clue yet why the show-desktop-icons switch doesn't work, and
right click mouse shows no context menu (on background).


Logging in as a non-root user makes the right mouse context menu
available. So I thought this is something in old config files
for root, deleted .config, .cache, .gconf*, .gnome*, .local,
.elementary, .themes (from offline), logged in again, set
org.mate.background show-desktop-icons to true, re-logged in
again, but still no icons and no context menu.

So all I can conclude now is that all these mate switches
do specifically not work with the root account.



PROBLEM SOLVED: This is again something weird! None of the methods
setting that nasty switch including dconf-editor, gconf-editor,
dconf set org.mate... worked, although all methods pretend that
that switch had been indeed set correctly.

Instead, only one specific command sets the right switch at the
correct place:

dconf write /org/mate/desktop/background/show-desktop-icons true

Specifically note that again, the 'desktop/' part is in that
path. So I suspect that this change in name and the special path
entry in the schema confuse mate in such a way that the config editors
do not find the switch at the correct place, only 'dconf write'
hits the right bits.
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Re: [oi-dev] Mate Schema error ?

2018-11-09 Thread Udo Grabowski (IMK) 

On 09/11/2018 14:00, Udo Grabowski (IMK) wrote:

On 09/11/2018 12:06, Udo Grabowski (IMK) wrote:

Hi, I noticed that the mouse right click menu is not available on
MATE. The necessary switch for this should be org.mate.desktop.background
'show-desktop-icons' = true. However, despite it is show in dconf
under the org/mate/desktop/ schema, the name of this switch is
shown and configurable only as org.mate.background. Possible ommission
of the /desktop/ folder ? That would explain why the right mouse
still doesn't work even when switching this (and the corresponding
gnome/ entry) off and on again.


Played around with the org.mate. schemata in /usr/share/glib-2.0,
but no progress. The dichotomy in the nameing scheme stems from
a special 'path=' argument for the background schema, but the
mate names in general apparently don't use the desktop folder (and
editing this into the file, renaming and compiling it causes indeed
loss of all those preferences).
So no clue yet why the show-desktop-icons switch doesn't work, and
right click mouse shows no context menu (on background).


Logging in as a non-root user makes the right mouse context menu
available. So I thought this is something in old config files
for root, deleted .config, .cache, .gconf*, .gnome*, .local,
.elementary, .themes (from offline), logged in again, set
org.mate.background show-desktop-icons to true, re-logged in
again, but still no icons and no context menu.

So all I can conclude now is that all these mate switches
do specifically not work with the root account.
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Re: [oi-dev] Mate Schema error ?

2018-11-09 Thread Udo Grabowski (IMK) 

On 09/11/2018 12:06, Udo Grabowski (IMK) wrote:

Hi, I noticed that the mouse right click menu is not available on
MATE. The necessary switch for this should be org.mate.desktop.background
'show-desktop-icons' = true. However, despite it is show in dconf
under the org/mate/desktop/ schema, the name of this switch is
shown and configurable only as org.mate.background. Possible ommission
of the /desktop/ folder ? That would explain why the right mouse
still doesn't work even when switching this (and the corresponding
gnome/ entry) off and on again.


Played around with the org.mate. schemata in /usr/share/glib-2.0,
but no progress. The dichotomy in the nameing scheme stems from
a special 'path=' argument for the background schema, but the
mate names in general apparently don't use the desktop folder (and
editing this into the file, renaming and compiling it causes indeed
loss of all those preferences).
So no clue yet why the show-desktop-icons switch doesn't work, and
right click mouse shows no context menu (on background).
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[oi-dev] Mate Schema error ?

2018-11-09 Thread Udo Grabowski (IMK) 

Hi, I noticed that the mouse right click menu is not available on
MATE. The necessary switch for this should be org.mate.desktop.background
'show-desktop-icons' = true. However, despite it is show in dconf
under the org/mate/desktop/ schema, the name of this switch is
shown and configurable only as org.mate.background. Possible ommission
of the /desktop/ folder ? That would explain why the right mouse
still doesn't work even when switching this (and the corresponding
gnome/ entry) off and on again.
--
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http://www.imk-asf.kit.edu/english/sat.php
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